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Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody who come on the show

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Speaker 1: is who who's the first person to bust your ass? Y.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm a fan of y'all. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: So what's up? We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Man. That's that's crazy because I was thinking about that.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Ask me that.

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Speaker 3: I just I just been thinking about it, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna say like this, everybody get their head cracking me.

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Speaker 1: You know that's right.

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Speaker 4: I don't care who you is, You're getting your head

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Speaker 4: cracked at some point. And like, come to mind. I

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Speaker 4: remember two guys. I don't know if it was the

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Speaker 4: first ones, but I just remember the ass.

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Speaker 3: What they gave was a Kenny Smith the forty ball.

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Speaker 4: And when I was in l A but I had

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Speaker 4: the flu. It was the flu game for me though,

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Speaker 4: But I want.

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Speaker 3: No Jordan flu game.

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Speaker 4: He was with the Rocket, yeah, because you know we

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Speaker 4: was double team and the big fellas the naked but

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Speaker 4: it was forty.

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Speaker 3: And I had to be the one, you know, I

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Speaker 3: had to take that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I think Dana Barrows, I think he gave me.

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Speaker 1: I remember.

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Speaker 3: He gave me a fifty ball in Philly, Man I

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Speaker 3: don't know if we won that game, but yeah, he

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Speaker 3: gave me a fifty ball. Though.

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Speaker 5: People forget about Dana Beer.

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Speaker 2: He was a bucket and he was a little dude

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Speaker 2: that he was a bucket.

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Speaker 4: He was so nasty splitting the pick and roll. It

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Speaker 4: wasn't nothing you can do as a guard because once

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Speaker 4: that screen game, he was splitting the big every time

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Speaker 4: and his jumper was so wet it was stupid.

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Speaker 2: Both of them were just shooting your face off. It

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Speaker 2: was a lot of jump jump shot time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially for Kenny because we had the Devil Teams dream.

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Speaker 4: But he was out there just butt naked, but he

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Speaker 4: was on fire and it seemed like, you know, he

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Speaker 4: was shooting. I'm running out there lately. So I'm the

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Speaker 4: one looking like, man, you're getting killed.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: You know, we got a double team and big feller

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Speaker 4: every time, but he was he was on fire. But

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Speaker 4: Dana Barrels gave me buckers. He was going at me

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Speaker 4: like he was really giving up bucks.

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Speaker 2: Man yo yo yo, live on location. Me and d

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Speaker 2: Miles is staying. I ass at home, staying safe, keeping clean,

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Speaker 2: and we got a legend with us today. Man coming

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Speaker 2: to us live on location from Dallas, Texas. He took

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Speaker 2: a little time out from his golf game to come

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Speaker 2: chop it up with you boys. Man, we got nick

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Speaker 2: the quick van next.

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Speaker 5: What it do? Fam. We appreciate you about time. Y'all.

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Speaker 3: Bring y'all boy on the show down. Man, I'm happy

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Speaker 3: for y'all.

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Speaker 1: Man straight up her responsible about their five g now,

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Speaker 1: so you know, stay connected, stay tuned. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: you from Wisconsin. Yeah, Like I always thought you was

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Speaker 1: from Texas, And I was like, man, I thought you

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Speaker 1: either from Texas or you from the DC area.

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Speaker 3: You know what great Wisconsin cheeseheads straight up?

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Speaker 1: Look, look, look, look hey.

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Speaker 3: My favorite team is the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 5: There you go. That's right, there you.

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Speaker 4: Go because we always beat the ship out there and

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Speaker 4: we love our division.

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Speaker 5: Mater.

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Speaker 1: Why you laughing at their hard You went to Saint

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Speaker 1: Joe's High School?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: St Joe Sat Joe's High School? How was that? Was

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Speaker 1: it any other high school in the area you could

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Speaker 1: have went to? Or Saint Joe's had some history and

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Speaker 1: you was like, im from the ball, I gotta go

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Speaker 1: Saint Jose and the ball.

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Speaker 3: Well, we had a Rafford and Trumper.

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Speaker 4: So I'm from Kenosha, a little small town, you know,

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Speaker 4: right about racing.

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Speaker 3: Butler hometoime.

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Speaker 4: That so uh we had two public schools was racing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, uh, Trimper and Brafford, and I was on

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Speaker 4: uh Saint Joe's was the was the Catholic school, the

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Speaker 4: private school. So I went there, and I probably should

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Speaker 4: have went to Brafford, but you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: At the time, I wanted to go to Joel, so

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Speaker 4: I went to Joe's. We uh we went to two

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Speaker 4: state championships, lost both of them back to back. But

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Speaker 4: it was just they had history in that town because

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Speaker 4: the Cats who I used to grew up idolizing, they

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Speaker 4: went to Saint Jose And you know when you're young,

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Speaker 4: you like ten eleven, and you going to them high

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Speaker 4: school games and they coming out in the warm ups

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Speaker 4: and they stripes in the crowd getting.

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Speaker 1: Hyped man layup line, they running around the cord when

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Speaker 1: they come out.

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Speaker 3: Music come like Dunky come out.

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Speaker 2: And we know how it is for some you know,

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Speaker 2: in some some areas that the Catholic school be nicer.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like they got like more like a college

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Speaker 2: type atmosphere than the height than you know, some of

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Speaker 2: the public league schools. So I know what you mean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: It's tough too though, because we're from a different place

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Speaker 4: than where they are, you know what I'm saying, Like

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Speaker 4: like we're from the we're from the ghettos and they

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Speaker 4: got money.

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Speaker 3: Right, that adjustment was tough, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But I made it do So.

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Speaker 1: You was like a late bloomer, not really a late

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Speaker 1: bloom You were doing your thing, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: colleges and big time schools didn't come to West coin

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Speaker 1: Coacht Notion in Wesconsin looking for players and thinking they

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Speaker 1: the best. That made you have the decision to go

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Speaker 1: to Trinity.

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Speaker 4: What happened was I wasn't too interested in school, so right,

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Speaker 4: that was That was one, and then number two. I

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Speaker 4: thought I was better than what.

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Speaker 3: Was recruiting me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was getting a lot of you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Division I schools, but they won mid major.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, man, I know I'm better than this. Man.

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Speaker 4: So I said, you know what, I'm gonna go to

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Speaker 4: It was two junior colleges. It was one Mason, Arizona.

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Speaker 4: They was nice back in the day, but they didn't

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Speaker 4: give scholarships to our state students.

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Speaker 5: So then I just.

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Speaker 4: Went on down to Trinity Valley in after Texas, right

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Speaker 4: outside of Dallas. So you know it worked out.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: That was that was a culture shop.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, that was wool.

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Speaker 3: That shit was different.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: That your first time being away from the like, away

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Speaker 2: from home on your own like that too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And I was like way

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Speaker 4: away from.

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Speaker 5: Got there like you way on the others on the bottom.

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Speaker 4: Man, I used to call moms, could come home. You're

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Speaker 4: gonna be just like them boys.

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Speaker 3: On the corner drinking that crime Roy.

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Speaker 4: But pick it out, man, because she she won't let

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Speaker 4: me come home. She wanted to let me come home,

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Speaker 4: so I had to stick it out for two years.

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Speaker 1: It was rough though, the first time I really started noticing, like,

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Speaker 1: of course I know Oscar Robinson went to Cincinnati, but

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Speaker 1: ever since I seen you play at Cincinnati, Cincinnati has

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Speaker 1: been on my radar. Cincinnati was in the US Conference USA.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you know, Saint Louis. You

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Speaker 1: was like right across the water from a Q play

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Speaker 1: in the Conference. USA could have been any other team

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Speaker 1: than Cincinnati if it wasn't why you choose Bobby Huggins

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Speaker 1: but you know, folks don't really know it yet.

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Speaker 4: Well, when I was juco like where I wanted to

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Speaker 4: play first, my choices was Louisville.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to go to U N l V. And

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Speaker 3: I love.

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Speaker 4: Syrake you you know what I'm saying. Derek Coleman and

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Speaker 4: Bro Washington back in the day, but they must have

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Speaker 4: thought I was a pan or something, but I was

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Speaker 4: actually sending new letters. Oh wow, new letters. But they

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Speaker 4: came down to Cincinnati and New Mexico State. Mexico State

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Speaker 4: had all them boys from Chicago down at the time, Reggie,

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Speaker 4: Jordan and Brown and all of them. So they was

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Speaker 4: not they used to battle. They used to battle you

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Speaker 4: n LB back in the day. But I told Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: because I got a chance to go back to the crib.

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Speaker 3: I got a chance to go play.

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Speaker 4: In Milwaukee against Marquez and at the Crib in Chicago

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Speaker 4: why I told Cincinnati. I ain't know nothing about Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: until I got recruit me. I ain't know nothing about

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Speaker 4: I ain't know Big Oscar Robinson. What I ain't know

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Speaker 4: nothing about Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: Coach Harrison was there, right, was he was he assistant?

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Speaker 3: Yeah he was an assistant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was.

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Speaker 2: Larry you know coach he recruited. He the one who

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Speaker 2: recruited me. Uh oh wow he was, yeah, he was.

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Speaker 2: So this is the story, bruh, This is crazy because

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Speaker 2: you you left there.

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Speaker 5: I think and what ninety three? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Now I came to Credit. I came to remember the

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Speaker 2: Dave Crider camp they used to hold that. I came

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Speaker 2: to Dave Creter camp. Like, so my coach, Larry Butler

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Speaker 2: and Larry Harrison had a relationship, so you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. He was my AU coach and then you know,

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Speaker 2: coaches know each other whatever. So he invited our team down.

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Speaker 2: It was like an overnight camp at Universe Cincinnati. We

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Speaker 2: come down and I remember you being at working out

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Speaker 2: and I was like, dude, we was like you know,

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Speaker 2: we was like this, like and then like then you

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Speaker 2: went and got drafted, like or either maybe you had

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Speaker 2: got drafted. I can't remember whether you had gotten drafted.

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Speaker 2: I remember it being you and we all knew that

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Speaker 2: you was the dude and we were like, man, that's

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Speaker 2: Nick Van. Next was like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Then I think Danny Fortson was just coming in or

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Speaker 2: something that he was there, and I just remember that

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Speaker 2: that was like the first time I ever met you

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Speaker 2: and Danny Fortson at the same time. I remember Coach

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Speaker 2: Harrison from back then, like that was when my relationship

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Speaker 2: first ever started, like me knowing Coach Harrison or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So when it came time for and recruit me, I knew.

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Speaker 2: You know, you see that mustache, you knew you remember him, Like.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, he recruited it.

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Speaker 4: But it's funny because of that day prior camp, when

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Speaker 4: when all the kids used to come there. Man, I

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Speaker 4: swear we used to go in the gym. We used

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Speaker 4: to try to put on the show.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to let them know, like you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying, We was real like we were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I forgot I'll never forget that. But that

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Speaker 1: Bobby Huggins, Like, uh, he wont them coaches? You hear?

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Speaker 1: Players always look, how was it to play for Bobby

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Speaker 3: You know, move on in life and move on your

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Speaker 4: Man, I ain't gonna lie that was. That was probably

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Speaker 3: I had my ninth grade coach Doctor Knight. He was tough.

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Speaker 4: But what they did they helped me get ready for

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Speaker 4: It was like the guys he recruited man was myself,

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Speaker 4: And it's crazy because when you got all these different

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying that that was just the

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Speaker 4: That's the kind of stuff we was going through all

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: He instilled in us that toughness man, that that grit,

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Speaker 4: For me splestly going into into the NBA like it

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Speaker 3: A lot of that in me. Man, He put a

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Speaker 1: You know, when you line up.

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Speaker 4: Against guys, you always gotta think that they gonna butt

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Speaker 3: Matter who it is. You always gotta go into.

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Speaker 4: The game thinking you can't getting beetle. You can get

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Speaker 4: was great man, and he's a little different now. He

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Speaker 3: Was with us.

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Speaker 5: You can't be. You can't be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the one thing you want to have

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Speaker 2: and you not about to have it. It's not about

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I played against the Cincinnati teams with Kmart, Melvin Levitt,

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Speaker 2: the DJ, all of those boys like tough, Steve Log,

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Speaker 5: Look tough, tough team and look.

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Speaker 2: I've been playing Steve Log since since grade school and

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Speaker 5: Ye all time, Yes, straight up, straight up.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the ninety two season, because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: like these accomplishments that you got here and do to

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Speaker 1: the Fab Five, to go that deep in the tournament? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Uh man, that I ain't gonna lie dog.

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Speaker 4: That was the best year of my basketball life ever.

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Speaker 4: Like that year was the best year ever of me

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: We we had the tightest group of guys man that

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Speaker 3: Our group, man, we were so tight. Man.

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Speaker 4: We were on the group text now to this day,

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Speaker 4: chopping it up, talking trash to each other.

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Speaker 3: Everything. Man.

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Speaker 4: But it's crazy because coming into that season, we didn't

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Speaker 4: know each other. Yeah, But Corey Blunt and Eric Martin

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Speaker 3: They both went back to back championships.

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Speaker 4: They played against Terry Nelson who went to Long Beach

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Speaker 3: We went in the tournament. He killed us.

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Speaker 4: They was bringing in Anthony Beautifer was sitting out. He

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Speaker 4: we had Ady Jackson, another player him and t rat

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Speaker 4: everywhere we went it was three of us.

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Speaker 3: You've never seen one of us solo.

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Speaker 4: And I tell people to this day, like to have

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Speaker 4: translate to the on the court. Yeah, man, we were

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: We made all our goals.

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Speaker 4: Man, We made every single goal that we set and

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Speaker 4: had no idea about Division one basketball.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy to dip that much success and go

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Speaker 3: That was that was that was our main thing.

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Speaker 4: So we did our goals again and it was national

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Speaker 3: Like we we really felt we had a good chance.

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Speaker 4: I want our starting guard, Alan Jackson, he got hurt,

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Speaker 4: me and Michael Finley talked about it all the time.

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Speaker 4: You know, we was recruiting them heavy heavy, you know.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying. We talk about it all the times

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Speaker 4: He didn't promised me he was gonna start me. So

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Speaker 4: that's why he went through Wisconsin. But he said it

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Speaker 4: Michael Finley, we would have won that game.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: But we wanted to play the five five again.

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Speaker 4: We wanted to be match for them, catch because we

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Speaker 4: you know, we respected them. Man, five freshmen, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, doing what they doing, you know, changing

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Speaker 4: you had to respect them, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Man for that rematch.

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Speaker 4: Man, But you know North Carolina, George Lynching and guys

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Speaker 4: down the woods, they knocked us out in the need.

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Speaker 1: A your draft process? How many teams you worked out for?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, it was probably about thirteen fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: See Nick, you like me, He the one who was privileged.

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Speaker 2: He did like maybe three or four workouts winning had

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Speaker 5: Bring you back.

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Speaker 2: Did anybody try you like the week of the draft

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Speaker 2: to try and come, have you sneak in and do

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Speaker 2: some stuff. All let's see they do see we got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I have workouts, man to where they knew

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Speaker 4: I was going to different place the next day, and

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Speaker 4: they tried.

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Speaker 3: To just dog me.

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Speaker 5: At you. Oh man.

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Speaker 4: I went to uh to Seattle, worked out for George

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Speaker 4: I had to do.

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Speaker 3: I ain't like dude, you know what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 4: But that was flying. The hat was flying, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I was rocking the Duke cat.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea George.

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Speaker 3: George went.

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Speaker 4: He was working me over one on one stops as

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Speaker 3: Working me one on one.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, man, I'm tired of Hell. I got

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Speaker 4: to go to LA. That workout was coming up. So

448
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,640
Speaker 4: at the end of the workout, George Kyle. He tried

449
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 4: to make me, make me do five.

450
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 3: I said, okay, I.

451
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 4: Jowed, I jobbed the first one, really, so I go

452
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 4: sit down. He come over to me, he said, you

453
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 4: know this is for the for the draft or whatever.

454
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 4: He said, I think you can run a little bit harder.

455
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: But you know, he was being a little arrogant and

456
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 4: the stuff he was saying. I told him, I said,

457
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 4: coach man, you know what, the next one's gonna be

458
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 4: a cool down. So they called me back up there again.

459
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 4: I ran, I ran slow. I'm like, man, y'all trying

460
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 4: to kill him. I got other workouts and then I

461
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 4: told my drafting I got GV and the barrows.

462
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. They was loaded with both.

463
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

464
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 4: Here working me out like crazy. When I got these

465
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 4: other workouts, it was a grind, man, it was a grind.

466
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: You know, all of us want to get drafted number one.

467
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 1: We want to be first round pick, we want to

468
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 1: be lottery picked. But you was fortunate to get drafted

469
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: in the second round. But you get drafted to the

470
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers, like this is the team that all

471
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: the basketball be nothing like in that area. You watch

472
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: the Lakers play to get drafted by the Lakers. I know,

473
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: I know, it's bittersweet because you ain't go as high

474
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: as you want to Lakers. Soon as you hear Lakers draft,

475
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: it's like ship it's on no doubt.

476
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 5: How was that it was?

477
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 3: It was?

478
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 4: It was cool, man, because in Cincinnati it was it

479
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 4: was a little media thing going on with Cincinnati and

480
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: you know, our team because of who we were, where

481
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 4: we came from, and it was kind of a little riff,

482
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

483
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 3: So when I went the second round, the media was like,

484
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, why'd you go in the second round? They

485
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: was trying to make me.

486
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: Feel bad, know what I'm saying.

487
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 3: Man, They don't know.

488
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 4: The night before me and Blunt was together. He got

489
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 4: drafted in the first round to the Bulls. So me

490
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: and him went down to the riverfront. We went to

491
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: Jeff Ruby Steakhouse on the riverfront. Man, we had a

492
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 4: great time. We was like, man, it's the best day

493
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 4: of my life.

494
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: It was the.

495
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 4: Second round, third round. Man, the Lakers, you know what

496
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 4: I'm saying, drafted me in the second round. The round

497
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: didn't mean nothing to me. What I was thinking about

498
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 4: was I'm finna go out here and improve that I'm

499
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 4: better than where I went.

500
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't mad at all at the process.

501
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 4: I wasn't mad one bidding people to this day, they

502
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 4: always try to make me feel a certain way.

503
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 3: But you can't make me feel a certain way. Man.

504
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 3: I came from those of Wisconsin, single parent home. You know,

505
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: parents did this.

506
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 4: You know grew up and there's like, Man, I made right.

507
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 4: You ain't finna putting no damper on me just because

508
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 4: you want me to feel a certain man, that was

509
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: the happiest day of my life.

510
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: Man, playing that purple.

511
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 4: And gold magic and I can just remember being a

512
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 4: kid watching them games and it's dark and all you

513
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 4: see that bright ass yellow floor.

514
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: That's there like a stage. They look like a stage

515
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: is dark away right over.

516
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 5: That's what I wanted to know. How was that? How

517
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: was that feeling? Had you ever been to la before

518
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: I getting drafted? Thing? Going there?

519
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: Like?

520
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 2: How was that when you first get there? You like

521
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: you said, this is the best day of your life.

522
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: You drafted by the Lakers. Like when you touch down,

523
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: how was that coming up that plane in the airport,

524
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: seeing them palm trees?

525
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 5: When you leaving the airport? How did that feel.

526
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: Man.

527
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: It's crazy because the first time I was there, of course,

528
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: was for the workouts. But when I went there, you

529
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 4: know and start staying, it's like, man, palm trees.

530
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

531
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: I'm used to walking around trees when you jumping up

532
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: pulling berries.

533
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's like, man, everywhere you.

534
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: Go as palm trees. Man the sun all the time. Yeah,

535
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: everywhere you go, you know. And at the time, in

536
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: the early nineties, you know, you boys in the hood,

537
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: you know, you had a different kind of mixture as.

538
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, so you know, I'm riding around at lights, I'm

539
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: so nervous.

540
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: I'm looking around at every like I don't know what's

541
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: going ye water man. But it was so live, man.

542
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: We were just young, you know, we had a young team.

543
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: But in my first few years out there, man, it

544
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: was beautiful.

545
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: You had a lot of early success. You came in

546
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: kind of rolling like people's favorite point guard. You was

547
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: busting ass.

548
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 5: Like when did you roll team?

549
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

550
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: When did you know? Like, oh, ship, Like they can't

551
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: stop me, like at all, Like they they figured his

552
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: left hand shit out or figured that out. They can't

553
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: stop this year? Like where did you know, Like I

554
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: can kill your favorite point guard every night.

555
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Man. I ain't gonna lie.

556
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: I always had that confidence that, you know what I'm saying,

557
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: Whoever I grew up against, you know, I'm gonna have

558
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: to I'm gonna have to go at it, you know

559
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, no matter who it was, because Huggs.

560
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 4: That's what Huggs was like. Everybody can beat you, everybody

561
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: can destroy you. So you always got to be on

562
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: pins and needles. I can remember probably my first, not

563
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: my first preseason game, but maybe the third or fourth

564
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 4: preseason game, were playing Seattle in the form and GP.

565
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: I knew about GP.

566
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 4: Because you know, he was the glove, you know, and

567
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 4: I had to think I just faced stocked him in

568
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 4: preseason in Hawaii.

569
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: Go home. Now we got the glove, you know what

570
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

571
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: So it's like, man, a.

572
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 4: Little nervous, you know what I'm saying, but ready for

573
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: the battle. I remember, Man, this dude, Man, I did

574
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: a move.

575
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: On the on the glove. Man.

576
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: And when I tell you, this dude just shoved me

577
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 4: all the way across the floor.

578
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: Man, I'm falling and rolling. I'm like, man, So I

579
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: had to get up, go to him. You know what

580
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, you know what's up? You know.

581
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: And from that point on, I knew that everybody's gonna

582
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: try you.

583
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: They gonna try you, and if you don't stand up

584
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 3: for you know who you are, and you're gonna get

585
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: dusted in this league.

586
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: O league gonna see it, see it exactly.

587
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: So I had to get up. I had to go

588
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 4: on his face. He John, he told me, he said, yeah, I've.

589
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: Been waiting on you. I've been waiting.

590
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: Use it the man.

591
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 4: From that point on, it was like, man, it's it's on.

592
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: Like whatever whoever you see, it's on, like the glove.

593
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 4: He was like, if you ain't ready for this league,

594
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 4: you're gonna get dog out, straight up.

595
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: Straight up. Rest in Paradise COVID. You know you're a

596
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: fan of the show. We had Kobe on the show.

597
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: And when Kobe got drafted, got drafted to the Lakers,

598
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: and you was that. We asked him, who's the first

599
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: person to bust his ass? And of course he was like, shit,

600
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: I ain't get a chance to get on the NBA court.

601
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Nick the quick was butt. Somebody ask do you remember

602
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: anything about that? When Kobe came in. Yeah, and you

603
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: got a chance to play against him, and how determined

604
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: and hard working he was to try to be the best. Yeah.

605
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: Man, It's crazy, man, because when when Cole first came in,

606
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: I could just like, even in his passing man recipes,

607
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: even in his passing I see the young Cold, eighteen

608
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 4: nineteen year old Cold, you know what I'm saying. So

609
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 4: I could always see Cold with his little frail body

610
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: walking in the gym. You know he got his head.

611
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: His head is hot, taller than the rim, right, you

612
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

613
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: That swang it was like, you know what I'm saying,

614
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: I'm walking on Kiley's old cats.

615
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: And Cole used to do us so dirty in practice.

616
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: And people be thinking I'd be joking.

617
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: When I say some of this stuff, man, but this dude,

618
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: well not I wouldn't say joking, but don't think i'd

619
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: be as serious or it's true, but this dude man

620
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 4: worked so freaking hard though, and his work ethic. I

621
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: don't play with some really good players, man, this dude

622
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: work ethic was.

623
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: Better than everybody I've seen. It wasn't even close.

624
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: He would he would get the six nine guys the

625
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 4: power forwards.

626
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: You know, Corey Blancheanrels, rest In Piece.

627
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: And the other guys, and they would go play one

628
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 4: on one on the side baskets.

629
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: And the crazy part was the one on one was Kobe.

630
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: Was working in the mid posts and they had to

631
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 4: defending and Kobe was the only one on offense. They

632
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: were just playing defense. So every time Kobe scored.

633
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: He get a point. If he missed, they get a

634
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: point as a group.

635
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 5: As a group.

636
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: The dude did it every day. Man, it didn't stop.

637
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: It was relentless man, cold man.

638
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: Man.

639
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 4: It was just so sad, you know what happened. But

640
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: the things he said that he was going to do,

641
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: he did it. You know what I'm saying, Like, everybody,

642
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: remember it's a clip when we were at a preseason

643
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: game in Vegas.

644
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: He crossed dude up at the top.

645
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Of the Oh.

646
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: That was Ben Waller trying to take.

647
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: Face you, you and Eddie Jones. I remember y'all face

648
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: on that bitch in Vegas.

649
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: Boy, Like, yeah, that's another another thing Cold told us

650
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: coming out of the time Dy'll drew up a play

651
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: from to give him io. At the top of the kick,

652
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: Cold told us, I'm about to cross this fool up

653
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: and dunk on. That was his exact words leaving the huddle,

654
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: I'm about to cross this fool.

655
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 5: Up and dunk and the rest of the history.

656
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: That was our reaction on the bench because he said that, yeah,

657
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: crumphs full up and dunk on him, and that's exactly

658
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: what it did.

659
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: So our reactions like, dude, he did it at eighteen

660
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: years old, right right and everything he said it like

661
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: Cole wanted to be a winner, he wanted to be

662
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: one of the best. He did.

663
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: At what point though, like throughout his process that you like,

664
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: cause you know, you you Eddie Jones was the guys

665
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: when he came in, like he came into a situation

666
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: where it was already a solidified situation and I know,

667
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: like you're saying, in practice that had to be at

668
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: what point did it just turn where it was like,

669
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, obviously they made the decision to move ej

670
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: Up out of there and they saw what was going on.

671
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: So at what point for y'all that y'all start seeing

672
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: in practice like like this kid is out of here, Like,

673
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: at what point was that, like, you know, for y'all.

674
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: Probably probably the second year, you know, because the first

675
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: year was tough for him because he s been a

676
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: lot of playing time and then you know, Cole was

677
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: like he was a one on one thing.

678
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: His favorite saym was, I'm the best one on one

679
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: playing the league. Can't nobody hold me? Ain't nobody checked

680
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: me on? That was his favorite saying. All the time.

681
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: He would literally come down and do some crazy stuff

682
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: and they would be like, Kobe, you can't do that, Kobe,

683
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: and he would come back.

684
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: And do it again.

685
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: Like how many players, you know, as that young rookie

686
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: still a teenager, do some crazy stuff and the coach

687
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: tell you not to do it again.

688
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: You I ain't gonna do.

689
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 5: It again, right right, He.

690
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: Came right back and did it again.

691
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: And it was NonStop his whole year like that, And

692
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: you know he was getting a lot, del was getting

693
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: a lot of person to play Kobe, you know, early

694
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: on in Kobe's career that first year, but Dell didn't

695
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: want to do it. He didn't think he was ready.

696
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: So it was a little struggle for Kobe. But that

697
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: second year, Kobe he really didn't care, like he was

698
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: just like determined.

699
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: Like I always say myself, cream.

700
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: Gonna rise to the top, Cream gonna ride to the top,

701
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: and Kobe knew he was that cream.

702
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: He just kept going. He kept going.

703
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: And then when you keep going to keep going, guess

704
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: what they accepted. Yeah, and everybody started to realize, you know.

705
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: What, this boy Finn be cold?

706
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: Man?

707
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: Who is Yeah, he's gonna be cold for real.

708
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: It's so hard to get four players from one team

709
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: to be on the All Star team, you know what

710
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Sometimes that fourth players, sometimes that third player

711
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: might not get the credit that your team is succeeding

712
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: in on your record or whatever. For y'all to have

713
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: four players in an All Star Game and one of

714
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: the players to come off the bench to make the

715
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: allar Game, Like, how is that? I know y'all was like,

716
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: that's crazy. We all for us were going to the

717
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: All Star Game together.

718
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: It was cool, man, But I ain't gonna lie like

719
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: for me personally at that time, Like I didn't even

720
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: I didn't think I was an All Star. I thought

721
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: I had better years before then than I probably should

722
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: have made the team, you know what I'm saying. So

723
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: I don't know why I really made the All Star team,

724
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: be honest. Maybe it was because at the time Shack

725
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: had got.

726
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: Hurt during that season, but we held the four. You

727
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. We were still balling a little bit,

728
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: you know. So I don't know why the hell I made.

729
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: The All Star Team ship.

730
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: But it was cool, man. It was a good experience,

731
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: you know, uh, going to New York. But I really

732
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: wasn't no kind of a like to me. That didn't

733
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: That didn't excite me, you know what I'm saying.

734
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to win more than anything.

735
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: I want No person who wanted to go to the

736
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: All Star Game and and and playing the game that

737
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: I wasn't. That wasn't any of my goals, you know

738
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I wanted to go to the

739
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: All Star and have fun.

740
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go and have practice speaking about winning.

741
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: When y'all got shack, you know, you got Kobe, got

742
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Eddie Jones, you got you got start well, you got

743
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: great role players, you know what I'm saying. Like you

744
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: think that you're finna win the championship or you definitely

745
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: think that you got a shot at it. So how

746
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: was that like? Knowing that y'all got all this start power,

747
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: y'all got everything in place, and y'all want to compete

748
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: for a championship, but y'all was falling a little bit short.

749
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 4: Yeah man, we were stacked, man. Yeah man, we was good, man.

750
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: But I tell people we were just young.

751
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: Man. We was young. We didn't know how to win.

752
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

753
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 3: So we had Shaq was the most dominant big man

754
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: in the game, you know, and then his supporting cass.

755
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 3: You know, we was pretty good.

756
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: Me Eddie Sabolos, Eldon, Robert roy Rick five crew, and

757
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 4: we had a young Kobe and were just young. Like

758
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 4: at that time. Utah was so goddamn good man.

759
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: It was.

760
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they were just they was doing us dirty, man,

761
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: and we had no answers for him. Man, we didn't

762
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 4: know how to get to that next step.

763
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I've been in the league,

764
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: y'all know how it is. You can be here, but

765
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: you still got to get there, you know what I'm saying.

766
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: And we want We weren't ready for that next level, man.

767
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 4: And you know, once they you know, revamped it up,

768
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And did they change this?

769
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 4: They got feel in there and start teaching them how

770
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: to win. Everything you know, turned around for them. But

771
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 4: I always tell people, I said, the team they won

772
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: that championship with teams they won a championship with. You

773
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: can add myself, Eddie Elden saboahs, like, we all played

774
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: together with.

775
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: That team that won championships. So can you imagine I.

776
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: Meanny championships We could have really had you know what

777
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: I'm saying, But it was it was tough, especially when

778
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: losing when you think you got a really good chance

779
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: at winning that thing and always falling short. That shit

780
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 4: hurt them years we was losing the Utah.

781
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: The one thing that I think when I think about

782
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: you and your game to stand out for me is

783
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: that from jump basically start to finish, no matter which

784
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: team you went to, you were you was a starter

785
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: or a six man and definitely a rotational contributor. And

786
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: for me, I think that like speaks volumes for you

787
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: to be a second round pick, you know what I'm saying,

788
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: to go thirty seven and then to have the career

789
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: you had talk about where you got that perseverance from

790
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: just to like like you said, no matter what, I

791
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: got drafted thirty seventh, I'm like, man, it's the biggest

792
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: thing ever. I'm about to go in here and prove

793
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: that I'm better than that. I ain't gonna look at

794
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: it in a bad way no matter who telling me

795
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: this or that. I'm just about to go in head

796
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: and showing prove. And every team you went to, like

797
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: you was you. You had your same swagged out game playing,

798
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: doing your same whatever. I can you know see that

799
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: I see the head being the hot socks. Yeah, all

800
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: that different different uniforms, but it's the same, bookie. And

801
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: I could hear Cole saying that you telling them you

802
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: reach our teach and you doing the fakes and you

803
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: had some of the craziest you know what I'm saying,

804
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: handgame fake Like what did you just get that confidence

805
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: that to just keep it throughout?

806
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 4: Man's that's that's playground basketball, man, like I grew up. Man,

807
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: That's that we looked on the concrete, you know what

808
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So it was every every weekend, man, in

809
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: the summer, well every day in the summertime, we either

810
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: go on the south side or they come to the

811
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: north side, and we just locking horns every single day,

812
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

813
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: On the concrete.

814
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 4: And if you ain't tough, if you ain't sticking enough

815
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: for yourself.

816
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: If you let somebody bully, you, let somebody punk to you,

817
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: let somebody talk trashy, you ain't gonna make it. You

818
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: ain't gonna make it.

819
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: And and we was playing against the older cats man

820
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 4: walk g am still tiny, big like we were playing

821
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: to get in new cats.

822
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: To me, they was cold. And when we had a

823
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: chance to go up against.

824
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: Them, we already knew they was gonna try to We

825
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: already knew they was giving.

826
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: Us chest shots. You know what I'm saying. You know

827
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, el, But that's what it was. So

828
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: growing up.

829
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: That way, that just prepared me for everything else after that.

830
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: When I got to the league, I saw GP as

831
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 4: a as a bully, you know.

832
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

833
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: I saw Evan Johnson as a bully, you know what

834
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

835
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: So now I'm going back into my back in the

836
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: day where you got you gotta respond to a bully

837
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 4: man by trying to hit him back.

838
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm not showing any fear, man.

839
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: That just that, just man, that just came from just

840
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 4: me growing up the way I grew up.

841
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Man, one of the moves that you do, like you

842
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: you're a point going up, but you got big hands,

843
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: and you know, we grew up on Mike and we

844
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: used to see Mike, you know, making all that stuff.

845
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: And then your game, you're you're with the left, you

846
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: will fake him up, like, you know, did you get

847
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: that from Mike? I always wanted to ask you that.

848
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: Did you get that from Michael? Who did you see

849
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: that from to add that to your game? You know?

850
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: Actually that was Doctor Jo because Doctor J had the

851
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 4: mis man.

852
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: I can just always see Doctor J doing that.

853
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's.

854
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 4: That's why I got that from Doctor J because he

855
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 4: had every time I used to say shake Doctor j Hen,

856
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 4: I'd be like.

857
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: Damn, and you got big ASDs right right, that's from

858
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Doc Man. One more person I wanted to ask before

859
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: we get off the Lakers. One of the guys that

860
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: don't never really get appreciated or you know what I'm saying.

861
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: People don't never really say a lot about him. It

862
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: is like Eddie Jones, and Jones was dope to me,

863
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: like defensively offense. A lot of people don't even say

864
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: how nice he was on defense, but just speak about

865
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: just playing with Eddie Jones. When you got the chance

866
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: to play with Ed Jones and you know, seeing him

867
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: going on the crib just you know, you older now

868
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: you can really appreciate how good he actually was.

869
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: Man, I love EJ. Man. That's my guy. To this day.

870
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: We GoF all the time, you know what I'm saying.

871
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: So that's my guy. Man. We actually live like next door.

872
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 4: To each other pretty much, you know, yeah, a little

873
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 4: condos and everything.

874
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 3: So man, that was my dude. Man.

875
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: When you know, we played against each other in college,

876
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, So we was a little

877
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: familiar with one another.

878
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: And man, we hit it off on the first day.

879
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We were just we were

880
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: just tight. EJ.

881
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: Man.

882
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it was.

883
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: It was nice where a night like where Dana Barrows

884
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: or Ai somebody cooking me.

885
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: They got it DJ, and you you gotta switch, You

886
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: gotta go get him. You gotta put that flame out.

887
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: So DJ coming out back a lot, man, you know

888
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. The dude was.

889
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: He was so nasty. Man, he was so nasty. And

890
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: it's funny because when he first came to the Ladies,

891
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 4: I think he was wearing number twenty five and then

892
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: they were about to retire twenty five's number. I think

893
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: it was Gail Goodrich, I think. And he didn't know

894
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: what number he should get. I said, man, you should

895
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: get number six, man, because you play like Doc J

896
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: with them long ass iride.

897
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

898
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 4: Man, So he ended up taking number six. Man, But

899
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 4: that's my guy, man EJ. One of the coolest dudes, Man,

900
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 4: I ever played with. You know, Sen you went down

901
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: the earth always the same.

902
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: Man, Love that dude.

903
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: What dump on you remember when you was a Laker

904
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: that you remember like, oh I boomed that boy that time.

905
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, because later on in your career, once you

906
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: left the Lakers, you weren't catching bodies. How you was

907
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: catching bodies when you was with the Lakers. I seen

908
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: a couple of highlights with the Lakers when you can

909
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: caught a couple of people and then you slowed them

910
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: knees on, you cut them knees on down once you

911
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: got them in everywhere else. But when you were the Lakers,

912
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you were you. You were body in folk. So who

913
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: was that body you remember?

914
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 3: Man?

915
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: With the Laker I don't remember, man, because I really

916
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: want those Steve Francis, Baron Davis, you know what I'm saying.

917
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: But you will get him like.

918
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: Really, you know what I called Dream, But it was

919
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 4: in the preseason game in San Diego.

920
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: That's legendary right there, that legend folk to see that

921
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: that went on Nashville right there, that.

922
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 4: Went on that that was a pre season game.

923
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, I called them slipping one time on the baseline.

924
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh, Kevin Johnson, the greats defenders ever man was And.

925
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: Then I heard kJ had a nerve to ask Dream

926
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: to sign that the postal.

927
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: Whoa, Hey, you know what's crazy? Like I was telling this.

928
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I was telling this story like I was playing against

929
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: Miami and Lonzo got a block on me, and we

930
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: all got the same agent and stuff. So you know,

931
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: I get to the crib couple of weeks, like I

932
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: get this picture and they say, uh, to d Miles, man,

933
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: thanks for the thousand blocks. I said, Oh, that's bullshit, right,

934
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: Why my shit couldn't be ninety nine or one thousand

935
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: and one or something like that. It's like a milestone.

936
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all got the same agent, Jeff Wecks, and

937
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 5: Jeff sent it to.

938
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: I threw that shit away immediately.

939
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: Hey, this is what I want to ask you though, because,

940
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: like we talked about later on your career, after the Lakers.

941
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: How still you know how much of a contributor you

942
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: were like for me and my eyes as you know,

943
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: still coming up a young boy. Obviously you weren't the

944
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: first one to do this or whatever, but like you

945
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: were one of the first dudes that I looked at like, man,

946
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: he taking a six man rolling, he's still him like

947
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: he like you you made that like for me, was

948
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: one of the first people in my mind that I

949
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: looked at like as a person who had super game,

950
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: who was a boy who.

951
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: Was to be a starter.

952
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, could be a starter, but went to the bench

953
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: and still came in like a start that didn't have

954
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: no problem. You wasn't tripping about it or nothing, like,

955
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: tell me about that approach and where like how you

956
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: how you wrapped your mind around that and still, like

957
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: I say, still would just bring your same game.

958
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: Man.

959
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 4: It's funny, man, people they try to give them a

960
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 4: little stereotypes, man, And it's kind of sad when people

961
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: don't really know you as a person. So everybody thought

962
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 4: I was a selfish player and that you know what

963
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I go back my whole career, you know

964
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. When uh D fish Man the fish

965
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 4: came into the Lakers. He came in with Kobe and

966
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: O Shack and I had got hurt. I hadn't had

967
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: a knee surgery, and de fish started starting. So you

968
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: know when I started to get healthy, and they wanted

969
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: to throw me back out there and start.

970
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I rather had the.

971
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 4: Fish keep starting, let me come off the bench, because

972
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: now get the fish more confidence. I already got my

973
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 4: confidence up, and then I think we would be better

974
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: like that, you know what I'm saying. So people forget

975
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: about stuff like that. They want to act like just

976
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 4: because I went to Denver or I used to shoot

977
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 4: the ball, but I still got my assist you know

978
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They wanted to paint you as one

979
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: one type of person.

980
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: So when I was in.

981
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 4: Denver, I was tired of losing, you know what I'm saying.

982
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 4: That was basically it. That was the only reason why

983
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 4: I wanted to get out of Denver because I didn't

984
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: see no light at the end of the tunnel at

985
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 4: the time. And you know, Dallas called at the last

986
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 4: hour though I mean literally the last hour. They was like,

987
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: would you come to Dallas said, hell, yeah, I'm come

988
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 4: to Dallas, and.

989
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: They was like, well, you know you probably won't be

990
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: I don't.

991
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: Care if I ain't starting, I won't play. I know

992
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 4: I'm gonna play, so I ain't got no problem with that.

993
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: And you know, real basketball players know you're playing at

994
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 4: the end of the game. That's all that kind of

995
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 4: I don't care about starting in the last two minutes

996
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: of the game. If I'm on the floor, that's weird time,

997
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 4: most important time of the game. So my my thought

998
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: process going into Dallas was, for one, these cats are

999
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: already nice Turk, Steve and Fenn, they already nice. I

1000
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: can't go away for so I gotta be on my

1001
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: p's and q's, you know, my best behavior, you.

1002
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

1003
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 4: So I went there and it was a struggle at

1004
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: first because, like I say, they were so good. When

1005
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 4: you knew to a situation, you don't want to be

1006
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: the one that's you know, slong things down, you know

1007
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You got to fit in and try

1008
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 4: to keep that thing rolling. But it was hard for me.

1009
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: So my role in Dallas completely changed. You know, In Denver,

1010
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: I was more of a I used to get buckets

1011
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: and drop drop down car in Dallas, my minutes were

1012
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: a little shorter.

1013
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: So Nelly was like, man, you need to score to

1014
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: the ball.

1015
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: Like Nelly used to cuss me out, dog, if I

1016
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: need to shoot the ball.

1017
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: God damn shoot the ball. I'm taking you out. I

1018
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: started jacking.

1019
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: So that's why I really became just the person that

1020
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: came off the bench and just started shooting with no conscience,

1021
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: because that's the way Nelly wanted me to play.

1022
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: He knew that we needed that role, and I was

1023
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: that role.

1024
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Clay in Denver, I got another story in Denver, like

1025
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: of course you was. You was killing everybody. I remember

1026
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: we used to come to Denver when we first got

1027
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: to the league, and ray La France was playing with

1028
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: y'all right, so you know, this is the first time

1029
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm playing in Denver. I'm talking noise to James Posey.

1030
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know Jay. That's why, that's why Paul

1031
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: loved me to the day, like you're just talking. So

1032
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: we get to Denver and I just remember that this

1033
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: is the first time I really got dunked off. So

1034
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: it was high screening roll you and ray La France

1035
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and you know I'm on the wing and I gotta

1036
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I gotta get the roll, man, so I'm used to rape.

1037
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: I really, I'm used to race like for the jumper.

1038
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: So I'm laid on rotation. I roll and he dunk

1039
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: on me so hard. So we go back down. Y'all

1040
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: run the same play. I'm late on rotation again. He

1041
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: dumped on me like I'm talking. I'm trying to meet

1042
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: him at he dumped on me. Y'all ran the same

1043
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: fucking play three times in the row. I'm already at

1044
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: the three point line. I left my man always at

1045
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the corner, like fuck that you're gonna have to swing

1046
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: that bitch to the corner. I don't know if you

1047
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: remember that, but I just had to tell you.

1048
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: You know what I remember about playing y'all man, and

1049
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: we as a team used to always talk about y'all because.

1050
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: Y'all was really talented. You know what I'm saying.

1051
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 4: Y'all whole was talented. But like we was talking about earlier,

1052
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: I don't know how to win at the NBA. To win, yeah,

1053
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 4: it takes time, it takes growth, But talent wise, y'all

1054
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 4: boys was nice. So we used to always talk about

1055
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 4: y'all because we'll see if we look at the score sheet, you.

1056
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: Know, on a plane whatever. The clip was lost by thirty.

1057
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: But then I bet you were. I used to be like,

1058
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: I bet they were.

1059
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: Doing this, y'all splash so crazy because y'all would be

1060
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: losing about forty.

1061
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: But it didn't matter, you know.

1062
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, y'all. Y'all ll y'all was still like yeah, yeah,

1063
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Step two were gonna get

1064
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: better now, y'all mindset the way y'all look to carry

1065
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: y'allself like you don get better, Yeah, y'all, y'all never wavered.

1066
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: That's the one thing we always talked about, y'all.

1067
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: Y'all never wavered on y'all for Shona and how y'all

1068
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: treated the game. Man, that shit be so funny to us, man,

1069
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: because we're beat y'all, and y'all y'all still.

1070
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: Up in the class.

1071
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: We don't get our chance again.

1072
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: Hey, because for real, we was like how you said,

1073
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: like it didn't matter us, Like bro, we was like

1074
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: we in the league. We knew, we knew one hundred percent.

1075
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: We was in the Lakers town. It was the Lakers town,

1076
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But I think it was like

1077
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: that's cool. We in the NBA though, and like bruh,

1078
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: all of us was like you said, we were so

1079
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: talented and young. Everybody was just thirsty to start their career.

1080
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: So it didn't matter we got in, we was down

1081
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: twenty or whatever. It was like it's my turn, I'm

1082
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: about to go off. I'm about them, about the party.

1083
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm about to celebrate of our score. Everybody about to

1084
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: see that we could hoop, and we gonna be up

1085
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: in people's face like yeah, like okay, that's all right.

1086
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: We getting smack.

1087
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: We couldn't do nothing about that, but we about to

1088
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: get you get his work right quick, like you know

1089
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1090
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I think the biggest part of

1091
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: that too, cause like you know, the Clippers had the

1092
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: cloud over their head. Didn't nobody want to go to

1093
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: the Clippers or play for the Clippers. We was cats

1094
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: that we were just happy to be in the NBA.

1095
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: So it did didn't matter that we was with the Clippers.

1096
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: So instead of being players that got traded to Clippers

1097
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: and previous and it was like huh, I'm finna get

1098
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: trade to the Clipper as long as they paying me.

1099
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Fuck this year, we was just excited to be there.

1100
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: And I think that was just like that would change

1101
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: for the Clippers. They got so many kids that wasn't

1102
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: in this league. They don't know nothing about the Clippers.

1103
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: You know nothing about the history for real, but they

1104
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: excited to be here. And I feel like since that time,

1105
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: thing and changed y'all.

1106
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: Because y'all gained a lot of fans. Yeah, a lot

1107
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: of fans.

1108
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we start seeing folks with jerseys and stuff like that.

1109
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: So I know you had them losing seasons with the

1110
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: Nuggets and so for fun, but like you said, you

1111
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: got with marriage and they was a winning team. How

1112
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: did that feel? Because like y'all was like one of

1113
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: my Like that team was like my one of my

1114
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: favorite teams, Nash Finn Dirt you you know what I'm saying.

1115
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: It was like, man, y'all stacked, y'all got new jerseys,

1116
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: y'all bring in young fellas like Josh Howard. You know

1117
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like y'all was winning, but y'all won't

1118
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: getting over that edge, you know what I'm saying. You

1119
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: saw it later on when they finally won a championship,

1120
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: but it took down there eight years to find get

1121
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: all the kinks out. But how was that like with Dallas?

1122
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: And it was cool because when I got there that

1123
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: they had just one maybe one or two playoffs series.

1124
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: They had Big Utah.

1125
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: And they had won the playoffs series in a long time.

1126
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 4: And then I'll go there and at the time, you know,

1127
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: La was still you know the Lake Show, you know

1128
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And then you had Sacramento. So my

1129
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: first year there, Sacramento beat us in the second round

1130
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: and that was tough because we felt we had a

1131
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 4: good team. We could at least band to the conference finals.

1132
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 4: But they mopped us up in the second round. And

1133
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 4: It's funny because I went home that summer, man I

1134
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 4: started posting all the point guards, picture all of my

1135
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 4: weight room, you know, Sam ready for next season, you

1136
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, because I want to be in

1137
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: that spot again. So you know, we go back that

1138
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 4: next year and next year we're thinking championship, you know

1139
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like, we really thought we had a

1140
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 4: good enough team to get to the to that next level.

1141
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: And you know, we we get when the.

1142
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: First two series, you know, ship we all almost blew

1143
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: a three old league against Portland that came back and.

1144
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: Tied that thing up.

1145
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: I think that's when she got hurt ze Bo's player right,

1146
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: and Zebo went to work on us to night. I

1147
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: remember that.

1148
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 5: Came up over the phone.

1149
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: But oh, man, z Bo bonds. She started, Man was

1150
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: killing us.

1151
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: Man.

1152
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: So we squeaked that one out.

1153
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: Man.

1154
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: Then we got a chance to play Sacramento again. Man.

1155
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: So that's the that's the playoff series where I had

1156
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 4: a good series.

1157
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remembers Bobby Jackson assus Bobby Jackson as Bobby b.

1158
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 5: Jack was a boy too.

1159
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was nice, so tough that he had one

1160
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 4: of the best snacks through the legs.

1161
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: He crossed me. He crossed me like that. I lost

1162
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: sight of his as I was going on he crossed

1163
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: like I'm looking like, what the did he do? Yeah?

1164
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: He was He was so not heights man.

1165
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 4: But I had studied that from the previous year, man,

1166
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 4: because when I went to Dallas, I wasn't in the

1167
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 4: playoffs for three and a half years in them, and.

1168
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: Now I'm back in the playoffs. You kind of lose lose.

1169
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: That that grit and what it really takes playoff basketball.

1170
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 4: And I remember, man, I remember watching film Man and

1171
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: a shot to go up, and I'm guarding Bobby Jackson.

1172
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 4: I just turned my head. He going in there laying

1173
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 4: that thing up with it with a.

1174
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: Tip, you know what I'm saying.

1175
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: So I watched all that him and the next year

1176
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: we got a chance to playing. Man, that ball went up.

1177
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: I'm I'm checking them round and now I'm really locking.

1178
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: I'm locking into you.

1179
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: So we ended up beating them. Man, it was a

1180
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: hell of.

1181
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 4: A seriously what got hurt, you know, but we ended

1182
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 4: up beating them, and then freaking Steve curved all we.

1183
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: Steve Kurr Man, we played all year.

1184
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: I ain't playing all year. Man, it's three two man.

1185
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: So we got a chance as to take it back

1186
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: to San Antonio.

1187
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: Man, this dude come off the bench. Pop through this

1188
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: dude in Many one of the whole series six.

1189
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 4: So we played our zone because they got the twin Towers.

1190
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: You know, Dallas at that time were playing small ball.

1191
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 4: So man and this dude come in, made about six

1192
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 4: or seventy three dog in the fourth quarter.

1193
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: We an busven.

1194
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 4: Thirteen going into the fourth like, yeah, we're going back

1195
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: to San Antonio.

1196
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: Man.

1197
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: Steve Curlok sent us home thog.

1198
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: When I got to Portland. You know, they had sheet

1199
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I think we won like thirteen out

1200
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: of fifteen when I first got to Portland. So I'm like, oh,

1201
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: this is the first time I'm actually on a team

1202
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: that can compete. I was just on I've been in

1203
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: two organizations when I'm on the worst team in the NBA.

1204
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: I finally get to a team that I watched the

1205
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: playoffs every year. You know, when you see your peers

1206
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: from your draft or any of your buddies make the playoffs,

1207
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: you want to be a part of that. You know,

1208
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs is a big stayed. So you know, when

1209
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: I get the Puller, they done made the playoffs twenty

1210
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: two years in a row. So I get there and

1211
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: she she be there for like a month and a

1212
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: half or they finally trade she cause she like, I'm

1213
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: not signing back. So out of twenty two years, this

1214
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: is the first year they didn't make the playoffs. So

1215
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: now we got we got Sharif, we got THEO. You know,

1216
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 1: we got the great veteran players, Dame da, we get

1217
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: you on the team. I'm geeked, like, oh shit, this

1218
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: is the season We're gonna make the playoffs, Like I'm

1219
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: finally gonna make the playoffs. And I got people that

1220
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: I look up to, our respect and I admired and

1221
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: I love to play with and smart players. That season

1222
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: that we didn't make the player, it frustrated me so much.

1223
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: And I remember that season so much because like you

1224
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't really say to nobody like, oh, this shit frustrating

1225
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: that we ain't playing hard or they playing like they

1226
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: want to get a draft pick with all these veteran players.

1227
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean when you got there, they was like, Sharifa

1228
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: Abduo Rahim didn't play the small forward since the arder

1229
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: in this in the league and even played ten years

1230
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: worth of power forward and get a double double. I

1231
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: started small forward last year and they told me, well,

1232
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna start Sharifa a small forward before the season

1233
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: even started. We got you and Damon start of my

1234
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: point guard. We draft se Bash in some way they

1235
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: found some minutes for him to play, which was baffling

1236
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: to me. That team that we had. I explained it

1237
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: because this shit touched me because that's the that's the

1238
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: team that I actually thought I had a chance.

1239
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: Let him his moment, so I.

1240
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: Got I gotta get this off my chest. How did

1241
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: you feel about that team and the talent and how

1242
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: he's good as a team, But you knew, like the

1243
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: politics of the game fucked up that season.

1244
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was a crazy season.

1245
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: And even coming into it, Like when I was in

1246
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: Golden State and they said I was gonna get traded

1247
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 4: to Portland, I was excited.

1248
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: I was were gonna make it. I knew he was

1249
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: gonna make the playoff.

1250
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: I knew that too much heat, that wasn't even a question. Yeah,

1251
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: But for me personally, the year before in Golden State,

1252
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 4: I had knee surgery. Now, the year before in Dallas,

1253
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 4: I had knee surgery and I came back in sixteen days.

1254
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 4: So when I had knee surgery and Golden State, I

1255
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: tried to come back early. Yeah, and never the same.

1256
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: So by the time I got to Portland, I was trashed.

1257
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: Well you you want too much track because we got

1258
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: a fifty point game wout you.

1259
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 4: Now, I couldn't I couldn't move the way I wanted

1260
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: to move, you know what I'm saying.

1261
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: So like I knew how to play the game.

1262
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 4: I knew how to score, you know what I'm saying.

1263
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: I knew how to do that, but my quickness wasn't

1264
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: there no more so now I was.

1265
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: Just like you felt like that old school Chevy. You

1266
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: old school Chevy you get you can get it going

1267
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: and sometimes, but it ain't gonna be always like you can?

1268
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 5: Are you used to?

1269
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: We have a sign of Lenna on that team and

1270
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: every thing. But I just remember that, man, that ship

1271
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: pissed me.

1272
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 3: The we did, man, we did.

1273
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: I remember another funny story with you, with you man

1274
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: so much stuff and that shit. I mean, we was

1275
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: playing Denver. We were pure, were playing Denver and somebody

1276
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: smacked me in my face and I just grabbed my

1277
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: face and just bent down. So you know, it's a

1278
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: foun I'm finna go to the free throw line. But

1279
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: I took over the time and I'm like, I'm just

1280
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: because I'm taking time. So I finally come up that boy, Nick,

1281
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: ain't sh it. You was crying.

1282
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 5: Bro, I'm like, I'm mad as fun.

1283
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, nap, that ship hurts like you remember that?

1284
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I just remember you. Yeah, I

1285
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: just the game stopped. Everybody just looking. I'm just like

1286
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: that was crying.

1287
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 5: I wasn't ready for that.

1288
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: That caught me.

1289
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 4: He's like, the shut you gotta break the ice, man,

1290
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 4: you gotta break the ice and ship like that.

1291
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: Man, this is what I gotta ask you, though, bro,

1292
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: Like you just discovered ice coffee last year.

1293
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: Man, that's crazy.

1294
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: Man.

1295
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't even drink coffee at all. But like when

1296
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: I saw you like you went on the tweeting spree.

1297
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, man, that shit was so

1298
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 4: good because look, so you know so so I've been coaching, right,

1299
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 4: so when you're coaching, like mama gotta drink coffee because

1300
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: we be having.

1301
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: Them early morning.

1302
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: You know, I don't like drinking no high ass coffee

1303
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: because I'll be sweating to goddamn much.

1304
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: So I don't like drinking coffee.

1305
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 5: And dog, it was just.

1306
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: One day, man, I'm going ready to go play golf.

1307
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: Man.

1308
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 4: I was looking at the thing, trying to get something

1309
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 4: to drink, and I seen something said ice coffee.

1310
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: So I said, let me get an ice coffee and

1311
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: you know, put some make it sweet. Man. I started sitting,

1312
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn this shit, swear.

1313
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 4: To God, man, like I need my life never now.

1314
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 4: I just be trying all kinds of ice coffees. Man,

1315
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 4: I go to all kinds of spots and just get different.

1316
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: So what's what's the one that you recommend me to try?

1317
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: Which one did you recommend me to try to? Think?

1318
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: I can I can go, I can hop on the

1319
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: other side of the fence. Look I try this.

1320
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: Look you go to Chick fil a.

1321
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, try to try that frost it is the frosty

1322
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 4: coffee or something like that frozen coffee.

1323
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: Try that joint, man, Okay, just what you think?

1324
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: Man, all right, I'm gonna let you I'm gonna let

1325
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: you know. One of the things when you get in

1326
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: the league, you know, you gotta you always want a nickname.

1327
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You gotta earn your nickname.

1328
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: You know, Nick the Quick, Nick at Knight is one

1329
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: of the dopest nicknames. Which one you like the most?

1330
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: Nick the Quick or Nick at Knight.

1331
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 4: I like both of them, man, but I'm probably gonna

1332
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 4: have to go with a Nick the Quick.

1333
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: Man.

1334
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 4: Man, Chick Hearn, you know, rest in peace. You know,

1335
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 4: Chick was a legend, you know, with the Lakers. So

1336
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 4: chick Herrn gave me that nickname, Nathan Quick, NACKTHI the Quick,

1337
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 4: So you know that just stuck with me for.

1338
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: A long time and even to the day. Now people

1339
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: people call me quick.

1340
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 4: It's funny because even when I was growing up, Man,

1341
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 4: I used to be people call me Pearl. You know,

1342
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 4: Pro Washington, that was my god. So they used to

1343
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 4: call me Pearl growing up. That was one of my nicknames.

1344
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 4: I never really had a nickname in college. And then

1345
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 4: when I got to the league, go chick. Hearn started

1346
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: calling me Nick Quick.

1347
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Who did you when you grew up? Who was you watching? Like? Man,

1348
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: I want to be like that person. That's who I

1349
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: had my game after.

1350
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I wanted to be like him, but

1351
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 4: you know stuff I would try to steal and go emulate.

1352
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1353
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 4: Like, my favorite point guard in college was Isaiah Thomas

1354
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 4: and Pearl Washington.

1355
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: That's why world, Yeah.

1356
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 4: That's why I wore thirty one and Cincinnati because of Pearl.

1357
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 4: Pearl at that in and out was so nasty. And

1358
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: I said, when he was at Indiana, oh my.

1359
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 3: God, he was mean.

1360
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 4: You know, just watching those guys and then guys like

1361
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 4: Kevin Johnson, Ron Strickland, you know, strict David Ewards when

1362
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: he was at Notre Dame was not was nasty with it.

1363
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: So I just tried to patter myself, man at the

1364
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 4: whole bunch of cats. Man, just take whatever I can

1365
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 4: and if I can fit it into my game, and

1366
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 4: you know, it.

1367
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 5: Made me better.

1368
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: You had a layup package that post don't even really

1369
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: speak of, Like your layup package. It's here. You know

1370
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people see your jumper and you score

1371
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: up from a jumper, But when you used to go

1372
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: to the hole, you used to spin that jont off

1373
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: that backboard, Like who put the layup package?

1374
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 5: Man?

1375
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 4: That's that was all Ron Strickland though, so much take

1376
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 4: when Strickland was at Depaut, he was so nasty. Man,

1377
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 4: he was so nasty, and he was one of the

1378
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 4: dudes that wanted I started playing against. I'm like, man,

1379
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, because that's what that's That's one of the

1380
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 4: ones that you always watching and you knew that he

1381
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 4: could go work. And strick was one of the best

1382
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 4: finishes from that point guard, just not ever since time.

1383
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: And I used to just try to emulate him. But

1384
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 3: I was so light, you know what I'm saying.

1385
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 4: I could finish a little bit, but strick was finishing

1386
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 4: all the time at the basketball.

1387
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: All the tough, tough.

1388
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to do start bench cut right with

1389
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: point guards. With point guards though, And since we're talking

1390
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: about you know you, you your little old school a

1391
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: little bit, we're gonna go. I want to go Kenny Anderson,

1392
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: Rode Strickland and Kenny Smith all New York.

1393
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 5: You gotta start one bench one and cut one.

1394
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 3: That's dirty. Yeah, all the New York.

1395
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 5: And Kenny and Kenny gave Kenny gave you buckets.

1396
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta start strict. I gotta start rock

1397
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: and Rod. I gotta probably bring Kenny Anderson off the bench.

1398
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: And Kenny Smith got to get cut, man, came my guy.

1399
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: He gotta get cut man.

1400
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: That that's that's what make it tough. Somebody always gotta

1401
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: get cut.

1402
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: No, but this this one start bitch cut kick out

1403
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: the league.

1404
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 5: This is this is his new wrinkle.

1405
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: This is boy bitch cut kick out the league. Steph Curry,

1406
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, Damon Lillard, true and uh James Harden.

1407
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: Check this out.

1408
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 4: So I worked for the Dallas Mavericks, so I'm not

1409
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 4: allowed to speak on current players.

1410
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's right. I like that.

1411
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: Well, lets look at it.

1412
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: It's another player, you and this player. I always just

1413
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: tell people I was like man back in my era.

1414
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: I know it was you know the Jason kids, and

1415
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: you know all the people with the name, but you

1416
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: and sam couldsel to me used to kill everybody's favorite

1417
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: point guards. You know what I'm saying. And I know

1418
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: that your man and stuff like that, like just speak

1419
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: up on sample selling just his game, it's your friendship

1420
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: and just all that.

1421
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: He the damn fool man, Samuel Man.

1422
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 4: The very first time I met this dude, Man, we

1423
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 4: in JUCO playing in the JUCO Jamboree Stephen at Boston

1424
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 4: and I'm taking the ball out.

1425
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: I got the ball out over my head. I tried

1426
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: to throw it in. He slapped it back our bounds.

1427
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 4: I never met this dude, don't know nothing about him.

1428
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: Got to take care of the ball, y'all take care

1429
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 4: of the ball.

1430
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: Man.

1431
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 4: Now, me and him just rec breaking this up and everything.

1432
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: And from that day, me and him became like that.

1433
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: Man.

1434
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 4: It's the craziest thing ever because we ended up going

1435
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 4: to a JUCO All Star game, started bonding more. Then

1436
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 4: we both came out at the same time. He went

1437
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,959
Speaker 4: to Florida State, I went to Cincinnati. Then we got

1438
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 4: drafted at the same time. He the reason why I

1439
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: have I have moved to Texas. You know, I moved

1440
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,919
Speaker 4: to Houston, you know because of him. That's like, that's

1441
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: my dude, man, and that dude there you're talking about

1442
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: when a game on the line and somebody ain't afraid

1443
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 4: to take that big shot, Sam Pree throw line.

1444
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: Line and two point. Listen that boy. Every time we

1445
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: seen him, we call him two point Gigs. I remember

1446
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: that he goes every single time too. That's his name.

1447
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: Two point games was like a layup and going in

1448
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: slow motion.

1449
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 4: Man, and get speed involved to this spot every single time.

1450
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: Whatever its defense was his offense.

1451
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 3: He'll tell you that too. He'll tell you that too.

1452
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you that, out of all the teams

1453
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: you played for, if you had to pick four other

1454
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: players to play with, who is the four other players?

1455
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: You can't use me because I'm the one ask you,

1456
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: But who is the four other players you would play

1457
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: for that you would want to roll with?

1458
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: Man? All the teams play with I played with a lot, ye, Man.

1459
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you play with some heat. You play some heat.

1460
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 5: You got some decisions to.

1461
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 4: Make, so we so we're saying this just because we

1462
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 4: want to win or just because they're my boys.

1463
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: No, just the best foe you can put with you

1464
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: out all the players you can play with.

1465
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 4: Man, I got Shock at the fire. Okay, Now I

1466
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 4: got Dirk or Tim Dunky.

1467
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you got you got Dirt and small full. You

1468
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: gotta tell the faux man.

1469
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: I got me Dice.

1470
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: Oh nice to be hard, And.

1471
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go man at the time, who I played

1472
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: with I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with Dirty.

1473
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Dirt. I'm gonna go with.

1474
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 4: Dirt because when I sacked Dirt and I played with

1475
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 4: Tim that probably was a little bit later. That was

1476
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 4: around two thousand and six, So Dirt was so mean

1477
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 4: around the early two thousand it ain't make no sense

1478
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 4: to let me see you after three. I'm gonna just

1479
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 4: go fan and it's gonna be had to be e J.

1480
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go over Cold.

1481
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just going by when they were playing,

1482
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: how good they were.

1483
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: Playing when they was with you. Okay, okay, all right,

1484
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: So you don't want young Cole. You want to experience EJ. Okay,

1485
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: I get because Cold was.

1486
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 4: Just like in this first you know, a couple of

1487
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 4: years at the time, you know what I'm saying, if

1488
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 4: I would have been over the career picked cold, you

1489
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

1490
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I feel you, Fan, Dirk and Shaq,

1491
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah five for your ass right there is.

1492
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 2: So this is what that This is my favorite question.

1493
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: I like to ask when you first got that bag?

1494
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: You know you second round pick so it probably wasn't then,

1495
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: but like when you felt like I got all right,

1496
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: I got some money. What what did you treat yourself

1497
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: to what it was like? What did you go out

1498
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: there and say, like looking back at it and that like, man,

1499
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: I did that that was crazy, but like it was,

1500
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: it was live when you did it.

1501
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I did.

1502
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 4: I bought a Rolex one time. I bought a Presidential

1503
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 4: one time. I remember that thing. That thing was so christy.

1504
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: Hey you badly would that?

1505
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 4: Look hey man, matter of fact, somebody I think somebody

1506
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 4: got me in.

1507
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 5: LA for how mouch you pay for it?

1508
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: Like one fifty? Wow?

1509
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: Oh no side He was about to say that, Yeah,

1510
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,520
Speaker 2: get myself together.

1511
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 5: To do right.

1512
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 4: Never gave you boys money, man.

1513
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: We definitely appreciate you coming on bro man.

1514
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I appreciate that, bro straight up.

1515
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: Its definitely love man, you one the ones that man,

1516
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: we rave about. We always speak about that, we watched

1517
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: and admired and appreciate everything you brought to the game

1518
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: and continue to bring to the game.

1519
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 5: And the real Hoopers know, the real Hoopers know you

1520
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 5: re ones. He was one of them one.

1521
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: So you know, we gotta we gotta get up here

1522
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 2: and pull you up here and praise you, bring them

1523
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: give you a flowers. So so people with some of

1524
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: these young fellas, you'd be surprised.

1525
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 5: Man.

1526
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 2: When I was working for the Pistons, bro, my man

1527
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: Stanley Johnson, bless his heart, he ain't know who Eddie

1528
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 2: Jones was, Bro, and he a County kid. I mean,

1529
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: I understand he's super young, but I was.

1530
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 5: Just like, how do you not know who Eddie Jones is?

1531
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: And we feel like we feel like it's part of

1532
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 2: our job to like, you know the history. Yeah, man,

1533
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: people like you, you was a You was a boy, you

1534
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like not just like he wasn't

1535
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: just a He came through like now he had the

1536
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 2: league people, he was setting it on fire, busting giving

1537
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:29,799
Speaker 2: it to whoever, whoever.

1538
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 5: You won't talk about. They know who Nick the Quick is.

1539
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 4: So that's crazy as you say that, because like, I

1540
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 4: don't expect young players to know who the old players is.

1541
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: But I knew me when I was a young player.

1542
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: We knew, we knew old.

1543
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, everybody, Yeah, tell you a

1544
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 3: quick story. I think I think we was.

1545
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: Playing y'all in LA. It was a Gentry coaching y'all.

1546
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep.

1547
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 4: So me and McK dison walking out out the game

1548
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 4: and uh coach Gentry is walking on next to us.

1549
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 3: Coach Gentry tells Dice, He's like, that's a good game.

1550
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: You played the night, big fella. So lo sto shore.

1551
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 3: He walks ahead of us and Dice walking next to me.

1552
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: He's like, man, move that.

1553
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: I just played the food.

1554
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 3: That's the Coopers coach.

1555
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: That was.

1556
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: Come on, big hey, that's not that's the crazy that

1557
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 3: damn Dice is in food. Man.

1558
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 5: All right, man, that's a rap man. It's been too dope. Man.

1559
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 5: We appreciate you, o g Man.

1560
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: This is one of our all time favorite guys when

1561
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: we was coming up.

1562
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 5: In the league.

1563
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 2: He did it, big man, Nick the quick man next

1564
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: is the legendary.

1565
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 5: We appreciate you.

1566
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: Bro Man.

1567
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all man all love.

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: The players.

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