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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: to fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bowl Bishop

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Heos live on a It's a pure crud Monday. Let's

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Speaker 2: just be honest. I mean, look at it out there

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Speaker 2: on every level. I mean, the weather's garbage, this rainy drizzle,

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Speaker 2: forty degrees nonsense, brutal, absolutely brutal. And in this one

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, you have defeat snatched from the jaws of

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Speaker 2: victory because it's you have it. You feel like you're there. Listen,

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Speaker 2: big picture, you're four and three through seven, and when

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Speaker 2: you think of everything that's happened to this team, you

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Speaker 2: would say to yourself, my god, you'll take it for sure.

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Speaker 2: But there is the other part of you that goes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you kind of felt like you had it and you

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Speaker 2: let it slip away. And so what could have been

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Speaker 2: like one of the most miraculous five and two's is

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Speaker 2: still a relatively miraculous four and three coming home from

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Speaker 2: a long trip when they got you in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the night, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a very fair

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Speaker 3: way to look at it. Like if I would have

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Speaker 3: told you that we would be two and one, then

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Speaker 3: we'd have the Ravens game two and two when DeShawn

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Speaker 3: and dtr stress in there and you get it handed

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Speaker 3: to pretty good. You're two and two. If I were

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Speaker 3: tell you the coming out of that, PJ. Walker would

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Speaker 3: start the next three games and turn it all over

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Speaker 3: seven times, personally seven times in those three games, at

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Speaker 3: least twice in every game, three and two of them,

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Speaker 3: and that you would be home against the Niners and

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Speaker 3: then on the road for two games. You don't think

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Speaker 3: that you're two and one in those three and that's

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Speaker 3: the reality of it. The thing that stinks is you're

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Speaker 3: down fourteen nothing, And I think probably a lot of

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Speaker 3: people thought at that point, like, okay, good night, Irene.

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Speaker 2: I was one more Seahawks touchdown from saying all right,

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Speaker 2: I'm moving I get stuff to do, We're moving on.

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Speaker 2: I'm not giving any more time.

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Speaker 3: And you battled back into this game and to the

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Speaker 3: point where you had the lead. And I'll tell you,

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Speaker 3: I spent this morning. Once I awoke from my slumber

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Speaker 3: after getting into my bed around two thirty, I watched

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Speaker 3: the tape, and the tape is it's maddening because in

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Speaker 3: many respects, this was PJ. Walker's best game as a

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Brown by a wide margin, and he still didn't

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Speaker 3: complete fifty percent of his passes. He didn't complete a

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Speaker 3: fourth quarter, and didn't recognize things that he should have.

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Speaker 3: The Seahawks had a real big tell in their blitzes,

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Speaker 3: one that led to a sax strip fumble, and one

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Speaker 3: on the last play that they would stack a defender

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Speaker 3: they called topping. They would top the defender with a

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Speaker 3: guy behind him directly in the exact same line, so

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Speaker 3: you know they're blitzing. And both times it was not

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Speaker 3: went unrecognized, and one led to the sax strip fumble

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Speaker 3: in the first half. The other led obviously the ball

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Speaker 3: going off a free playoff of the helmet there. And

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about third and three in a second. But

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Speaker 3: you felt like this would have been easier had they

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Speaker 3: just boat raced us. You'd be like, all right, when

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Speaker 3: Seattle and they boat raced us, but we had the

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Speaker 3: chance to win the game. And boy did we have

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Speaker 3: the chance to win the game in so many ways.

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Speaker 3: Dropped pick six the third down and five at the

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Speaker 3: goal near the goal line on our last field goal

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Speaker 3: drive where he tried to throw it to Amari and

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Speaker 3: the guy they were all locked up and incomplete, Elijah

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Speaker 3: More ran wide open the midfield. Bobby Wagner didn't cover him,

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Speaker 3: have been like here, take the ball and walk right

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Speaker 3: into the end zone. There were a lot of plays

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Speaker 3: like that. I thought that we battled back. I thought

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Speaker 3: that Kevin Stefanski did an incredible job. And we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about that decision on third down and whether or not.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's so many that's basically all everybody's focusing

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Speaker 2: Well, it's because it's it's heard. Look when when we say,

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Speaker 2: whether it's social media, or sports talk radio or or

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Speaker 2: even texting amongst your friends, it is a black and

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Speaker 2: white conversation that you have, and the shades of gray

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Speaker 2: largely are ignored by most. Right, Yes, it's great. It

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Speaker 2: the other way, and the middle is probably the real truth.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the reason it ends up that way.

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Speaker 3: It's natural, It is natural, and I would say that

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Speaker 3: the discourse on that is so outcome biased, which I

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Speaker 3: do sure, I do understand, but that is where I think,

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Speaker 3: to your point, the nuance is taken out of it.

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Speaker 3: I could understand many things you know about that. We'll

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Speaker 3: just talk about it right now. About that play call,

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Speaker 3: because that's basically what everybody thinks. This whole game came

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Speaker 3: down to, even though we still had the lead, and

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Speaker 3: they still let it go fifty seven yards to beat us.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they did rather rather easily.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into it, because I to not follow

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Speaker 2: the lead on all of it, I do think that

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Speaker 2: one thing that you hit on that is pretty remarkable

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Speaker 2: is this is a fourteen to nothing game and on

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Speaker 2: the road across the country you are tough place. You

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Speaker 2: are a four and two football team that has just

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Speaker 2: won two in a row, and it would be very natural.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, just look around the NFL yesterday

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Speaker 2: at everything that happened, it would be very natural. Just

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Speaker 2: pushing your chips, say hey, nice little business trip. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you next week back at home against Arizona. That's

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Speaker 2: when we'll be heavily favored in We'll see you then

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Speaker 2: and lose this game thirty one to ten and say

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Speaker 2: we'll see on down the road. So I don't want

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Speaker 2: to forget that they didn't, because that's buying, that's belief,

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Speaker 2: that's give a damn, that's leadership, that's all of those things.

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Speaker 2: This is a team that's playing without Nick Chubb and

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Speaker 2: Jack Conklin and Deshaun Watson, among others. But though, my god,

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Speaker 2: like the people I just named are enough, those are

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Speaker 2: attention getters. Jwan Jones goes out in the game. Yes,

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Speaker 2: like so many things that have happened neg the've.

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Speaker 3: New some went out in the first half, new some.

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Speaker 2: It would have been very easy to just say this

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Speaker 2: is the league. Kansas City did it yesterday, totally. They

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Speaker 2: did it. They went all right, too tough. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next week. We're six and one. We'll see on

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Speaker 2: down the road. It's really cold here. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to feel here. We'll see you later. The Rams did

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Speaker 2: it yesterday, so like it can happen to anybody. And

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Speaker 2: this team didn't. This team fought all the way back

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Speaker 2: and put themselves in position to win. So now we

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Speaker 2: can have the conversation around third and three, right before

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Speaker 2: the two minute, but also don't minimize the give a

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Speaker 2: dam and the fight because you were playing in many

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Speaker 2: ways with house money by NFL standards out there. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: based on where your record was and based on what

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Speaker 3: The give a damn, the fight, and then the excellence

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Speaker 3: and adjustments that were made by the coaching staff, and

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Speaker 3: then the execution in many times of the players themselves,

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Speaker 3: like PJ. Walker had a stretch from kind of the

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Speaker 3: middle of the second quarter when we finally got on

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Speaker 3: the board, yeah, to the through the middle of the

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Speaker 3: third quarter where he actually made a lot of really

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Speaker 2: I was this close yesterday during that stretch in the

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Speaker 2: third quarter to texting Gibbet and saying, I want PJ.

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Speaker 2: Walker on CBD Monday, because I thought we were gonna win,

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Speaker 2: and I thought he was going to be why because

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Speaker 2: he was playing his ass off. He was, he really was.

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Speaker 3: It was unfortunately the beginning and then the end, which

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Speaker 3: I think that this is I think there's everybody run

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Speaker 3: It's PJ. Walker. I get this is the thing. I

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Speaker 3: in the gray areas. First. Number one, I think that

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Speaker 3: we're confusing again outcome with process, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: just a natural thing that happens in sports discourse.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Number two. Number two, I think I don't know how

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Speaker 3: it's a different calculation. If you're at home wherever you

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Speaker 3: give them the ball back, if you end up giving

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Speaker 3: them the ball back, you've got your crowd being loud,

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Speaker 3: you've got all that chaos around It helps. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think if you think that you are for sure the

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Speaker 3: We'll punt it and hopefully we can hold in the field goal,

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Speaker 3: will play for overtime. I don't think you could say

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Speaker 3: what was being put out on the field yesterday, on

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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball. No, I think that you

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Speaker 3: what you're going for. That's the goal, right is to

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Speaker 3: pick up a first down and end the game. And

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Speaker 3: I think they, obviously, the Browns felt that the best

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Speaker 3: the football. Did it work out? Obviously not. I understand

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Speaker 3: running the ball as well, and I understand the thought

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Speaker 3: get this to fourth and one, we're going to go

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Speaker 3: interesting scenario because that would have been one had we

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Speaker 3: punt the ball? Play defense? Even though again in the

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Speaker 3: two situations at this defense, which is very very good,

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Speaker 3: has had an opportunity with a lead to end a game.

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Speaker 3: We got lucky Jake Moody missed a field goal because

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Speaker 3: they walked right down the field, and then we got lucky. Well,

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Speaker 3: in this one, we didn't get lucky. They walked right

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Speaker 3: down the field and got a touchdown. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: think that there's a lot to be upset about because

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Speaker 3: it felt like it was a winnable game. I understand

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Speaker 3: the decision, and I also understand why people say it's PJ. Walker.

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Speaker 3: This is Shaan Watson.

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Speaker 2: You want to throw it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that makes more sense to me than PJ. Walker.

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Speaker 3: I would tell people, because I went and looked this

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Speaker 3: up that Kevin's fancy I think was very well aware

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Speaker 3: of the circumstances under which he was operating in the

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Speaker 3: fourth quarter of this game, and I think on some

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Speaker 3: level that predictability was maybe made it harder for us

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Speaker 3: to be successful. What do I mean by that? In

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter we ran eleven times. We threw the

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Speaker 3: ball four times. One of them was a no play

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Speaker 3: because of penalty. So in the stats it would say

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Speaker 3: three times every single pass was on third down, every

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Speaker 3: was thinking, at some point in that drive, maybe on

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Speaker 3: It's just unfortunate. It's unfortunate, and this is on life

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Speaker 2: Correct. This is the There's a lot of that in

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Speaker 2: Now you're inside the two minute, and you run it

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Speaker 3: You got to stay in bounds.

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Speaker 3: It's forty seconds. It changes, and it does, and I

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Speaker 3: It stinks. This one hurts because five and two puts

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Speaker 2: But it was just there's also a I think the

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Speaker 2: Five and two gives you buffer because whenever four comes back,

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Speaker 3: I think he needs to come back this week. I

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Speaker 2: You know, he hasn't played football in such a long

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Speaker 2: that's what five and two would have provided you for.

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Speaker 2: this is not sustainable. This type of turnover play is

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Speaker 2: we've talked about all season long, even when de Shawn

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Speaker 3: Right Indianapolis, when we still turn it over three times.

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Speaker 2: Right, So that's what makes it hard. And the you know,

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Speaker 2: PJ boots it and you're like you got one guy

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Speaker 2: go from there. And that's what we do. Right, You're

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Speaker 3: Throughout the game.

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Speaker 2: He was so he was he was like, this ball

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Speaker 2: is going here, yes, and Jamal Adams is coming right

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Speaker 3: And that should have been recognized and it should.

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Speaker 2: Have been seen. But also like should we expect him

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Speaker 3: And the truth is happened in the San Francisco game, Well,

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Speaker 2: Right, So then that's a bunch. Obviously we have a

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why he's been right. But he is who

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Speaker 2: So that's the they only had.

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Speaker 3: I think Jamal Adams is actually run blitzing there to

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Speaker 3: he got to catch the one. You have to catch it.

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Speaker 2: like teams not really knowing what to do. Yeah, in

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Speaker 2: that in the last in that spot, like obviously hold

435
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Speaker 2: to a field goal, But is it Disley they had

436
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Speaker 2: who act like he was going out of bounds and

437
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Speaker 2: then kind.

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Speaker 3: Of fans But that's that's the same thing that happened

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Speaker 3: to us with Brandon Ayuk. Yeah, like we get a

440
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Speaker 3: little that they had two timeouts left, like he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Have to go give up like he was going out

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Speaker 2: of bounds. Then he cut it for another twenty and

443
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Speaker 2: then you went, God, now you're in spirit.

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Speaker 3: And that's how Ayuk got into field goal range against

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Speaker 3: us with the Niners, just a little simple one and

446
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 3: everybody was going outside forcing them back in. But you

447
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 3: can force them back in, but somebody it ultimately has

448
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Speaker 3: to be the end to tackle them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was what happened to us, dude, happened all

450
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Speaker 2: day long to teams like crazy stuff. The way the

451
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Speaker 2: Giants lost, the way Arizona covered that. It was one

452
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Speaker 2: after another after another, Philly another one.

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Speaker 3: That one I was okay with.

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Speaker 2: That was but I mean that happened over and over

455
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Speaker 2: and over again where it was like what are we

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Speaker 2: doing here? Like does somebody know how to play in

457
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Speaker 2: two minutes? And the other big thing I would say,

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Speaker 2: And you know, we can talk about this more when

459
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: we get into around the league, but like, there is

460
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Speaker 2: a quarterback deficit in this sport.

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Speaker 3: We got it was the best season ever, well, but.

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Speaker 2: So many guys have got hurt and so like in

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Speaker 2: the think about this. In the one o'clock games yesterday,

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Speaker 2: wrap your head around this. In the one o'clock games yesterday,

465
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Speaker 2: there were five quarterback changes, five backup quarterbacks came in

466
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Speaker 2: due to injury or benching. In the one o'clock games alone,

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Speaker 2: Cousins Cousins, Pickett, Tyrod, Tyrod Atlanta, and that was long overdue. Oh,

468
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Speaker 2: I know, but there were five I'm blanking on the

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Speaker 2: other one. It'll come to me, Rammitt. Five instances in

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Speaker 2: the one o'clock games alone where backup quarterbacks played. And

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Speaker 2: we're in a league that already has had Rogers and

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Speaker 2: Watson and all these guys hurt, and there just isn't

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Speaker 2: enough good court. I mean this, Tommy DeVito, quarterback for

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Speaker 2: the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, the Giants had negative net yards passing.

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Speaker 2: He could not throw forward. Tommy DeVito is the character

477
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Speaker 2: that Pesci played in Goodfellas, same name. I'm not sure

478
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Speaker 2: he is would be less competent than what it was.

479
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Speaker 2: There is no quarterback play in this league, and it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how it's happened, because there's you would say,

481
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Speaker 2: like the college level has never been better when it

482
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Speaker 2: comes to developing passers, but for whatever reason the league

483
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Speaker 2: there just aren't enough of them, and it shows, and

484
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Speaker 2: they were just wildly incompetent quarterback player around the league.

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Speaker 3: Yesterd they had the The Giants in that game completed

486
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Speaker 3: six forward passes for seven yards and then they had

487
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Speaker 3: sacks four for sixteen that negative net nine yards passing

488
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Speaker 3: and almost one and.

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Speaker 2: Almost dudude, not even all. They had the ball under

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Speaker 2: two minutes. Okay, Zach Wilson went in twenty four seconds

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Speaker 2: with no timeouts, like sixty yards, yeah to.

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Speaker 3: Lizard and then but what's what's I've seen so much

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Speaker 3: controversy about the fact that the center basically spotted the

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Speaker 3: ball himself.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

496
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Speaker 3: So that the ball never goes to an official. Lazard

497
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Speaker 3: gets it, gives it to the center, he spots it,

498
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Speaker 3: and official comes by and kind of like taps him.

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Speaker 2: Oh and then they snap it.

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Speaker 3: But instead of this, no official actually set the ball.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I did not see that. It was there

502
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 2: was so much chaos in the in the one o'clock

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Speaker 2: window and everything that was happening in the last hour

504
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: that like my guy on red zone could hardly keep up, yeah,

505
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: bouncing from one one thing to the next. So it

506
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Speaker 2: was it was a surreal uh day in the league,

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Speaker 2: Here's Mohurst of all people, with his second career interception, Smith.

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Speaker 4: Out of a shotgun with three receivers to the right

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Speaker 4: and one to the left. Brown show blitz it again.

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Speaker 4: Ball is tipped in the air and almost picked up.

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Speaker 4: Once it picked up by Maurice Hurst. Did the big

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Speaker 4: fella get it?

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Speaker 5: He did?

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Speaker 3: What a play by Marashurst gets his left paw, tips

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Speaker 3: it up to himself and if he caught it, got

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Speaker 3: his hands under it. The Browns have the ball in

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Speaker 3: Seattle territory.

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Speaker 2: All right. So first of all, I think anytime you

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Speaker 2: can refer to a big guy's hand as a paw,

540
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: so it's a good job. You got to right, you

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Speaker 2: got to a big grizzly bear, big big paw just

542
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Speaker 2: smacking it down. There was that. There was the Miles sack.

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Speaker 2: There were these moments where it just felt like we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do it. We're gonna go steal a game in Seattle.

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00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: We needed against a healthy team. They were healthy, all

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Speaker 2: their guys played well. You just felt like all of

547
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Speaker 2: these things were happening that deleged.

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Speaker 3: We needed to score a touchdown off of the Reshearst

549
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Speaker 3: pick and knock it in. We had and there were

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Speaker 3: plays to be be made that would have been able

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Speaker 3: to do that. But incredible played by Research who's been

552
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Speaker 3: such a great signing. You think about how you know,

553
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Speaker 3: our defensive tackle room last year was the worst in

554
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Speaker 3: the league, and now you've got Dalvin playing great, Jordan

555
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: Elliott's playing the best football of his career, Shelby Harris

556
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: makes plays every week, and then Maurice First has been

557
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Speaker 3: an absolute stud.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, two career picks.

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Speaker 3: About that last one with the Raiders in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that was awesome and they were really flustered.

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Speaker 2: I mean Gino was flustered. Oh yeah, they really weren't

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Speaker 2: getting They didn't do anything until the last drive in

563
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Speaker 2: the whole.

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Speaker 3: Second And that's kind of how it was with the

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Speaker 3: Niners two.

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Speaker 2: That's true, they had the one. So then I guess

567
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Speaker 2: that is the next thing is there's is that is

568
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Speaker 2: there something to our two minute defense that that is

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Speaker 2: to change susceptible to drives because it's two weekends in

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Speaker 2: a row. Hell didn't Indy do it too?

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Speaker 3: First? I think the first thing you have to do

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Speaker 3: is help trying.

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Speaker 2: To into the Indie game. Did we went and scored

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Speaker 2: on them?

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Speaker 3: But they had just scored because they had just scored

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Speaker 3: on us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so our two minute Yeah, we have.

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Speaker 3: The first thing is you got clamped the tackling. They're not.

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Speaker 3: Don't assume they're gonna run out of bounds. Clearly, that

580
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: is something that is on tape because everybody he's just

581
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: running down the middle field. We got to tackle people. Frustrating.

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Speaker 3: That's still frustrating. It's still frustrating loss. But mur restarts

583
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: playing great the d after like I said, they gave

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Speaker 3: up the first three third down conversions, and then after that,

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Speaker 3: you know they were lights out. You look at their

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Speaker 3: drive charts, it's it's kind of crazy, actually to look

587
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Speaker 3: at it. So they get the ball on the opener,

588
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: they go eighty yards and we had a couple busts

589
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Speaker 3: and zone coverage where you know you're when you're a

590
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: flat defender, you got to stay in the flat. We

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Speaker 3: give a third and eight to lock it because nobody

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Speaker 3: covered him. He wasn't even running a real route though,

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00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 3: he was just kind of running a little I'm just

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00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: standing here. So they go eighty play, eight plays, eighty yards, touchdown,

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00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: six plays forty one after the first fumble, touchdown, six plays,

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Speaker 3: fifty seven yards for a field goal, which was actually

597
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: a good hold. After the long pass to DK metcalf.

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Speaker 3: Then it's three plays for four yards, three plays for

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00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: twelve yards, three and out, three and out, then an interception,

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00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: three and out, interception, three and out, punt and then

601
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Speaker 3: they go five fifty two touchdown and the and win

602
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 3: the game. The brownspin that's the ball. This is wild.

603
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: Browns possessed the ball for nearly twenty minutes in the

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Speaker 3: second half. We out possessed them in the game thirty six,

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00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: forty to twenty three to twenty. Yeah, that usually means

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Speaker 3: you win.

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Speaker 2: It's also strange now, it didn't feel like this in

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00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: the moment. But I guess I didn't realize how little

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00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: Seattle tried to run it. I mean, Walker only had

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Speaker 2: eight carries for sixty six, well forty five on the one.

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00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Charbonney had five for fifty one twenty one on the one,

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00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: and it was timely his the twenty one yard run

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00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: for him. But those two cats combined for thirteen carries,

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00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: and they led for most of the first half, and

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00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: they were still pass happy.

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Speaker 3: It was wild. Yeah, they ran it seventeen times through

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00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 3: at thirty seven. People will again talk about our our

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00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: We ran it forty times in this game. A lot

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Speaker 3: of runs brother forty times.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you get three point nine out of Kareem,

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Speaker 2: four point one out of Pierre, four point one out

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Speaker 2: of Jerome Ford.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have a run as longer than twelve yards

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Speaker 3: on the day. They had a forty five and a

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00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: twenty one. That's the other thing with our defense, and

626
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: they obviously stopped this as the game went on. But

627
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: chunk plays. We just gave up so many chunk plays

628
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: in this game. And that happens on those final drives.

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Speaker 3: A twenty seven yard or to Fant Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 3: Jig but nineteen yards for the walkoff touchdown at the end. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: probably a hold on DK metcalf, but you don't want

632
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Speaker 3: to let him get into those situations anyway.

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Speaker 2: How do we throw it thirty times and Donovan People's

634
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: Jones doesn't get one thrown his way.

635
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Speaker 3: And he plays the whole game. It's crazy. And I

636
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: will say, like, this is guy who had eight hundred

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00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 3: yards last year.

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Speaker 2: So I mean once he got seventy, he was on

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00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: the season. Yeah, So I mean on the season, is

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Speaker 2: he less than one hundred? Yes, yeah, because he was

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Speaker 2: seventy going into last week or this.

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Speaker 6: He is.

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00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: Eight catches for ninety seven yards.

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Speaker 2: So he's under one hundred yards on the season, and

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Speaker 2: the guy who had eight hundred yards last year didn't it.

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00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: Not a ball thrown his way yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Not a single target, and he was thirty take watched,

648
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: I've watched the whole game, and he was open and

649
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: certainly had an opportunity. It's it's kind of stupefying, is

650
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: actually what it is. It doesn't make any sense. And

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Speaker 3: I think that we've got right now. He's not often.

652
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: I think this is probably the case, especially within the

653
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: merging majority of the season. Now it's actually accurate to

654
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: say has been played with either DTR or PJ. Walker.

655
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: There was a moment in the game yesterday where Walker

656
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: passed Watson for the amount of plays Watson had. Yeah,

657
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Watson had taken more quarterback steps. Walker had taken more

658
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: quarterback steps than Watson yesterday in the game that in

659
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: terms of on the year.

660
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: Yes, And here's the crazy part, right, is that that's

661
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: I think a big reason why you know you haven't

662
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: seen dj DPJ is not the primary read on many

663
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: of our plays, but he is a very good secondary

664
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: option and on if you put the tape on, you

665
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: can tell he was open multiple times in this game. PJ.

666
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: Walker is not he I think he most times either

667
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: a couple plays where maybe he didn't determine where he's

668
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: going to throw the ball, but for the most part,

669
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: it feels like he has an idea where he's going

670
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: to throw the ball before it is snapped, which can

671
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: be good and bad.

672
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty wild to think though,

673
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: that that that's what's happened in the season for DPJ. Yeah.

674
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: You know, you look at the A lot of this

675
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: is in the so much of the stuff's in the

676
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: box score, right like fifteen to thirty one passing that

677
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: ain't it. You can't have turnovers.

678
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: He's under fifty percent for the season.

679
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the turnover stuff that ain't it. Can't have it. Yeah,

680
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: But I mean, for all of the conversation about run, yeah,

681
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: forty carries one hundred and fifty five yards. Despite being

682
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: without Conklin part of this game, Dewan Jones and Nick Chubb,

683
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: you still ran it rather effectively in this game. And

684
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: so that's that's the tricky thing there. In those uniforms

685
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: are gorgeous, gorgeous, God Almighty, which it would have been

686
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: white over white or even white over orange with white

687
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: face masks, something like yeah that that I do not

688
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: like that look with us with the white over the

689
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: browns pant, I don't like that at all.

690
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 7: And totally embracing everything to do with the throwback and

691
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 7: the year, like they were playing in the gadium snoop halftime,

692
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 7: Montel did halftime that hung out with Montel after.

693
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: The game of course that it's very Dix. It was like,

694
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: I know it says no photos, yeah, but.

695
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: I really like a photo.

696
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.

697
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 7: Like all I know is like ninety seven Indians. Yeah right,

698
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 7: they win after every game, Glory days, montell, this is

699
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 7: how we do it?

700
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: Really?

701
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, No, it looked they looked spectacular and

702
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: it was really was a very very clean look. It

703
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 2: was also interesting like it felt like I don't know,

704
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if if if this is the way

705
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: that it was, but it was it felt like it

706
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: was Adam Amine and Moose Johnson on the call on

707
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: the TV, and it almost felt like there was like

708
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: there was a poll and I don't know if it

709
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: was just a Fox thing like a pull NFC, but

710
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: it did feel like there was a real zest in

711
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: things Seattle did, and they were so excited about the uniforms,

712
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: and they talked about him constantly. Uh, the uniforms are

713
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: constantly being talked about, so that that was kind of

714
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: an interesting I just picked up on it. And I

715
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm just getting to the point where

716
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: I pick up on that stuff.

717
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 7: They had gear took care of them.

718
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, yes, because the gear was Yeah, I mean

719
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: it was. It was a real topic throughout the game,

720
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: the gear and and how clean they looked and and

721
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: all of those things. And there was so that was there.

722
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: Do you guys enjoy the town.

723
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: It's great, good town. Okay, we were in Bellevue, so

724
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: we weren't.

725
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: My uncle lived in Bellevue. It's like huge, has it. Yeah?

726
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: It used to be like the really nice suburb.

727
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now it's like a boomtown, really nice suburb. There's

728
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: as many high rises I feel like it is in

729
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 3: downtown Cleveland. Oh really yeah, Wow, there's an there's an

730
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: STK in Bellevue really yeah.

731
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: Wow. Huh yeah it was years ago.

732
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Last night, No, there were all these great restaurants. We

733
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: went out to dinner. I went with with Chris Rose

734
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: and his wife, Lovely wife and a Yellowstone. We brought

735
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: Drew along. Nice and SDK had like their Halloween thing

736
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: going on, so you had people in pretty wild costumes.

737
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: It was like we were in a Vegas club, you know,

738
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: doing the the sparklers when drinks would come out, Yeah,

739
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: she's bubble gun. It was like I felt like Drew

740
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: was like, where am I right now? We were having

741
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: a good time of It was funny. We've only been

742
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: there one other time in eleven years. It's probably a

743
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: top three stadium now.

744
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: For me, the place looks unbelievable.

745
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 7: Treatment our view was awesome, like all you whatever you

746
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 7: wanted from Starbucks. They had a barista for us ready

747
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 7: to go, and like the woman would come in and

748
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 7: take orders, She's like, what can I get you?

749
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 6: What?

750
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 7: I'm like, no one really drinks coffee. I'll do a

751
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 7: hot chocolate Like just like to make me feel like

752
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 7: I've got something going here.

753
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: That's nice.

754
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 7: I mean whatever you needed. People constantly coming so nice,

755
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 7: over the top.

756
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect Dan.

757
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: It feels like every seat in the place is pretty good.

758
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: Even from a fan perspective, the way that they built it,

759
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: it's all.

760
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, all up. It's a fantastic facility. Yeah, great, great town.

761
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 7: I wish we could always have an extra day because, yeah,

762
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 7: getting in and by the time we got loaded in

763
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 7: and everything, it's like seven o'clock and I'm like, oh,

764
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 7: it's really ten o'clock. My wife's already text me good night.

765
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just getting started. I was thinking about that

766
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: when it was like the game was just kicking off,

767
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, for whatever it was, and I was thinking, like,

768
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: twenty four hours from now, we will have played a game.

769
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: You guys will have flown from Seattle back to Cleveland,

770
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: and we'll have already done Cleveland Brown's Day, like all

771
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: of that will have happened in a twenty four hour periods.

772
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: That's a long damn way it is. And our flight there,

773
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: we were.

774
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 7: In Canadian airspace basically the entire time. We Yeah, we

775
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 7: were over the Canadian Rockies where we were pretty Yeah

776
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 7: it was u it was pretty awesome. But like, we

777
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 7: were in Canada for the entire flight there.

778
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: It's a long time for me and Giba to be

779
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: sitting next to each other in a small, tight quarters,

780
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: small section. At least we had a seat opened between us.

781
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you get a spell. Otherwise that's that's a

782
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: toughie that is certainly come out to Razzle's mstid Falls

783
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: next Thursday, November nine, seven eight Here a coaches show

784
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: Live Me to Browns player will be signing autographs forughout

785
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,520
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786
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,520
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787
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: the NFL, do a quick snapshot of it and then

788
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: the Joe Thomas half hour of the program coming up.

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Speaker 2: no winless teams, Carolina wins Yesterday. Give me once one

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00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: big takeaway from Sunday's game, It is truly in any

801
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: given Sunday league. That's the takeaway. And the addition to

802
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: that would be what I said earlier in that there

803
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: is a incredible lack of competent quarterback play. And I

804
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: don't know how it's happened. I don't know if I

805
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: You know, you remember things as a kid and you think, well,

806
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: it was better than or whatever. But you just to me,

807
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: you think about the competent backup quarterbacks and I think,

808
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: I think I know what it is. I think it's

809
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: you don't want to spend money on backups.

810
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: You can't if you have a quarterback that's on a

811
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: second contract.

812
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: So what happens is you have these undrafted rookies or

813
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: late round picks who are your backups? And the amount

814
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: of true like Tyrod Taylor level backup quarterbacks in the league,

815
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: the case Keenums, there's like four of those guys, and

816
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: the only places they can play is whether there's a

817
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback or one not making big money.

818
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: You have Brisette behind Howell, can't You've got Heineke behind Ritter, right,

819
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: they have to be people on rookie contracts.

820
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: Everywhere else. If you're paying a quarterback, you've got Tailor's.

821
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: With Danny dimes. But my guess is he must not

822
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: have gotten much because he hadn't really played in a while.

823
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: That's probably true. That and then he went down too,

824
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: and so they went with Tommy DeVito, who could not

825
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, nothing couldn't is wild. So you had you

826
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: had a absolute bonker's day in the league. I mean,

827
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,479
Speaker 2: Kansas City pushed in the chips in the first quarter.

828
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 3: It's wild.

829
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: Just we're good. And Denver gave up seventy to my

830
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: AMMI like a month ago, Yeah, seventy, and somehow Kansas

831
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: City couldn't get operational.

832
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that was a pretty crazy one. There are

833
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: a lot of crazy results there. You had done for

834
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: though you knew.

835
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I did. I think

836
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: I had Kansas City.

837
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: You did, I believe, Well, double check that, then double

838
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: check that at some point. But that's uh, yeah. I

839
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: mean some of the beats, like you thought slumptown, some

840
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: of the beats were.

841
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: Some of the beats were unbelievable, Dad, I mean that

842
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: ended up being pushes like the giants with the ball

843
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: in the Jets. In twenty four seconds, Zach gets them

844
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: a field goal. Then they went in in overtime. Baltimore.

845
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: Baltimore is up thirty one fourteen. I think it was

846
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: thirty one to fourteen with under two minutes. Yeah, and

847
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: the Cardinal's score missed the two pointers. They're still up

848
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: ten or eleven, up ten, and then they recover the

849
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: on side kick and then they go deepd deep de

850
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: deep kick a field goal, win by seven or whatever.

851
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: And it was eight and a half. It was like

852
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: cash the check and it was done. So this was

853
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: just a league of absolutely bonkers results. It is a

854
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: week two weeklyage. You don't know who's going to show

855
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: up and who isn't. And it's a long damn season, man.

856
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: And that's the thing where all of the anger and

857
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: all of that, and I get it, the disappointment and

858
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: the outcome. Yesterday you're still four and three. Yeah, And

859
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: if you beat the Arizona Cardinals, and no matter who

860
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: plays quarterback, you will be a touchdown favorite to do

861
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: so you will be five and three. And I think

862
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: all of us would have signed up for five and

863
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: three three games had none of this happened, had we

864
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: had with Watson five and three'd be like, all right, yeah,

865
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: we're ready to go.

866
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing's all still there.

867
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 3: For the Browns, it is you need.

868
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Speaker 2: Four back and you need him to get back to

869
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: We need him back now. We need him back now,

870
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: and we need him back the way he played against

871
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: Tennessee really quickly. By the time you get to divisional games,

872
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: you can probably beat Arizona the way that we did.

873
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: If he plays this weekend, if we just play clean,

874
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: you should be able to beat Arizona. But because Kyler's

875
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: not playing no games.

876
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: Again and Dobbs Dobbs, he's on the struggle bus.

877
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Yeah, so that that's kind of where

878
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: you're at. But like Pittsburgh's in a in a world

879
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: of hurt. Their picket went down.

880
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: Trubisky was, but even watching their game, crazy, how do

881
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 3: they do it? They get a takeaway inside the twenty,

882
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: they get a takeaway inside the five, and Trevor.

883
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Lawrence threw one of the most stupefying interceptions you'll ever

884
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: see or somebody of his talent at the two yard line,

885
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: where he just threw it right to the defender like

886
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: it's a clearly throw it away, throw it away. Throw

887
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: it away live to the next down, handed to Trevis Etienne,

888
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: let's move on and let's get our points. And he

889
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: just threw it right to him. It was absolutely wild,

890
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: absolutely wild. What was happening to athlete? But like Baltimore

891
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: looks pretty damn good. Yeah, Burrow completed nineteen straight for

892
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals, and it wasn't just that he he had

893
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 2: only really been having success. Going to Jamar Chase. They

894
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: got t Higgins going a little bit. I think he

895
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: had eighty five yards in the game. So they look

896
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: more like what they would look like.

897
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo are all really good.

898
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Buffalo just but look at what happened to Buffalo.

899
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 3: They go up and down.

900
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: But but they lost last week, but they beat.

901
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: They won this week. They lost two weeks ago.

902
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: Who they lose to two weeks ago?

903
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: Somebody bad, bad, so bad.

904
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: I got drilled by the Jaguars.

905
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 7: They lost to the Patriots. Yeah, they lost to the

906
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 7: Patriots and then and.

907
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: Then they beat the Bucks.

908
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: But no, no, no, didn't cover remember because.

909
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: I told you, Yeah, we went to opposite that game

910
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: was the outcome was very different even.

911
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: Them, like they're not week to week great, Like Miami's

912
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: been largely very good. This was the first time that

913
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: Kansas City's had a hiccup.

914
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: It feels let me rephrase it, it feels like as

915
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: we sit here right now, Baltimore, Kansas City, Miami, Buffalo,

916
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 3: and the Jags are going to be in the playoffs.

917
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: And I think Cincinnati's six.

918
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: So Cincinnati's good, but we played last week. We've got

919
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: we've had their number historically. Cincinnati, I think very much

920
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: could be but we're right there for sure. So we

921
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: need to we need four, we need to go. We

922
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: need we need our quarterback, we need our kind have four.

923
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: It's a quarterback league. You got to have a quarterback.

924
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the rest of that stuff is starting to crystallize.

925
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: Like and the Chargers, the people, the Chargers are good.

926
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: They are good.

927
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 2: The Bears totally suck are They're two and four coming

928
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 2: into it. I know it's like the kid's good, he's

929
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: really good, but like, I don't know, I there it'll

930
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: be us them, Like those are the teams.

931
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 3: That are going to be chasing the like two spots

932
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: for I think I think it's premature to say Cincinnati.

933
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: I think it's likely that they'll end up being in

934
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: the mix, but they haven't. We'll see either.

935
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: Way they played yesterday. If you watch the way they

936
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: played yesterday, I think you'd feel differently about it. And

937
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: also like they are more proven and the other teams

938
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: that we're talking about, so you can.

939
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Say they're the favorite. I think it's it's Cincinnati US

940
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: Chargers for two spots.

941
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: Charger of the three and four.

942
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steelers, Yeah.

943
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: You can't count them out. Some of their nets, I

944
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: mean that lot that that what they did yesterday.

945
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, but their defense yeah yeah. Bob was shooting on

946
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 7: the call when they made that. When they make that

947
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 7: field goal, voice of the Jets, he goes.

948
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Speaker 2: We win. I have no idea how I don't either,

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Speaker 2: we had our neighborhood Halloween or awaiting the hopestill tell

965
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: a quick story. Yeah, we were at our neighborhood Halloween

966
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: party or Halloween shower seven or eight. Oh no, no,

967
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: that's two days from now. But this is just in

968
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: the neighborhood, right. So it's like watching into the Browns game,

969
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: throwing a football jersey. I'm a football player. Let's go

970
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: around the neighborhood. There's not like eight houses in there,

971
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: so it's it was. It's over pretty quickly. So on Friday,

972
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, I think the boys are old enough.

973
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: I think it's time that I scare them, like legitimately

974
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: scare them. So on Thursday night or Friday, I can't remember.

975
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: I ordered a Michael Myers mask, and I said, when

976
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: they come home, Michael Myers is going to get him.

977
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: That's how this is going to go. Now, I ran

978
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: the Spice and people and they are like, I think

979
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: the little two or too young for that. I think

980
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: that might be too extreme for Bootsy and Beams. So

981
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: I said, I'm like, you know what, So Amazon delivery

982
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: driver drops it off after they had finished trick or tree?

983
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: Did you have the full Like, no, just the mask.

984
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Just the mask. So I had taken Buddy for a

985
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: walk and I saw the package and I told my wife,

986
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to scare the blank out of

987
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: the boys. Tell him not, Oh, don't let them get

988
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: the package.

989
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 6: Like.

990
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: So they were like sorting their candy. So I put

991
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: Buddy in, I go out, go into the basement. I

992
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: put on the mask. The mask is incredible. I mean,

993
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: it's pretty terrifying. I don't know that they even have

994
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: a point of reference on you. It's not like they've

995
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: seen it. So I sneak around the outside of the

996
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: house and they're like in the fourier area, like sorting

997
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: out their candy. And I wrap on the window and

998
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: I had like a coat on, so they couldn't make

999
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: out that it was some of my clothes. And I

1000
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: had a coat on with the mask, and I hit

1001
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: the window pretty hard. Dude, pandemonium, Beamsy, it's on the ring.

1002
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: I should have had amy video like their reaction. Yes,

1003
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: so they lose it, Beams. He shoots down next to

1004
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: my wife in the fetal position. He is bawling, like bawling,

1005
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: completely balling. Bootsy sprints like a rocket upstairs, is screaming,

1006
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: crying the whole way upstairs.

1007
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: So maybe this wasn't a good idea.

1008
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe this is a little too early. NBC took

1009
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: off rocketing, screaming, and then my wife was like, it's dead,

1010
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: it's it's it's dead, it's dad, it's dad. And I

1011
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: came in with it on and they still were panicked,

1012
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: and then I took it off. I hugged them and

1013
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: they were mad the whole time. And fast forward to

1014
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: to answer the question, No, they probably weren't old enough

1015
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: for it, especially the little two. My penalty for my

1016
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 2: mistake was they didn't The two littles did not sleep

1017
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: in their own bed. They both came in last night.

1018
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 3: For coming nightmares.

1019
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, nightmare sitting Baby, I had nightmare, So now like

1020
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: this will be like a two week penalty for me. Yeah,

1021
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: because it's not like you're going to solve the fear

1022
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: of Mike.

1023
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 8: Mike.

1024
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Speaker 3: Do you enjoy though? Did you at least get to laugh?

1025
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: They were all in bed last night and I was crying,

1026
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: I was shaking. I was laughing so hard at the

1027
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: re because I'll always have that, at least in my

1028
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: head of how terrified they were seeing Michael Myers looking

1029
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: through the window. So Baby scarred him for life. But

1030
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 2: small price to pay for my own enjoyment. I'm told

1031
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: the Hoff is here for the Joe Thomas half hour

1032
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 2: of the program. Haff have you started hearing your kids yet?

1033
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

1034
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 6: No, because my son is the biggest scaredy cat of

1035
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 6: all time and he gets like nightmares from just watching

1036
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 6: the commercial during the football games, to the point where

1037
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 6: like if he sees a bad commercial, he's in our

1038
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 6: bed like all night. So scary is not allowed in

1039
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 6: our house because yeah, no, no, your kid like climbing

1040
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 6: in bed in the middle of the night.

1041
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: Tell me about it. You know, I blew it about

1042
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: as big as you could blow it. It wash although it was.

1043
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: It was really enjoyable.

1044
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, for thirty seconds, I enjoyed hearing it, so thank

1045
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: you for that.

1046
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: That was I will always have the memory of them

1047
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: in complete. Fear Joe. Let's let's do this xtually, your

1048
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: foreign your foreign three football team, and we'll get into

1049
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: the specifics of what happened on Sunday. But if I

1050
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: were to tell you back in August you're gonna be

1051
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: four and three, You're gonna be without Nick Chubb, Jack Conklin,

1052
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: mostly without Deshaun Watson, we all would have taken it right.

1053
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean, when you think about the key players

1054
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 6: that we all expected to be humongous part to this

1055
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 6: team this year, that are on the sideline, like Jack Conkland,

1056
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 6: like you said, Deshaun Watson, Nick Schubb. I mean, when

1057
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 6: you think about it, right, who are the three most

1058
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 6: important players before the season coming in the season, probably

1059
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 6: been Miles Shubb and Deshaun Lawson. And to not have

1060
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 6: those guys and still be sitting at four and three

1061
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 6: after thinking that, Okay, we should have beat the Seahawks,

1062
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 6: should have beat the Steelers, no doubt in my mind,

1063
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 6: you had the game won right there. But you got

1064
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 6: to feel pretty good that, like, hey, if DeShawn is

1065
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 6: able to come back anytime soon and play reasonably up

1066
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 6: to the expectations we have, like we still have everything

1067
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 6: in front of us, and we should still feel really

1068
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 6: good because of how good the defense is playing. But

1069
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 6: also I think this offense is starting to click a

1070
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 6: little bit. I think they're starting to figure out some

1071
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 6: of the ways that they can get other guys involved,

1072
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 6: Like howin Djokho's getting involved in the screen game. Now,

1073
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 6: how we've I think done a good job replacing Nick

1074
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 6: Chubb with Kareem Hunt, who's like more of the power

1075
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 6: physical thunder back. And I'm really joy watching Pierre Strong

1076
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 6: out there too. Yep Man likes to sideline acceleration. The

1077
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 6: way he changes the angles that the defenders have to

1078
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 6: take because of his speed, It really creates a lot

1079
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 6: of space inside for that cutback, and I think that's

1080
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 6: part of the reason why you're seeing the screen game

1081
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 6: start to open up a little bit. You're seeing a

1082
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 6: lot of those misdirection like take zone one way, throw

1083
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 6: the screen the other way, fake zone one way, take

1084
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 6: the screen the other way, and then throw the middle

1085
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: screen Tod Djoku, Like it's really spreading out the field,

1086
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 6: and it's become a fun offense to watch. That was

1087
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 6: totally unexpected when you got your third string quarterback in there.

1088
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the driver you're talking about with some

1089
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 3: of those screens. That was a masterpiece right there. Three

1090
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 3: plays would go down the field with screen screen, fake screen,

1091
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: fake screen, and then hit Chief on a play that

1092
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: the Niners had run against the Seahawks last year in

1093
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: Seattle for a touchdown. I thought was that was pretty.

1094
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: He's even better than what he's There's so much even

1095
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 2: more to him, don't you guys think to Chief out,

1096
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: I think it would be like an all pro type

1097
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: tight end, Like I think he's got that end if.

1098
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 3: We used him, if we use it like such a weapon,

1099
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: I wish targets. He's only getting really screens. Honestly, I

1100
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: just looked this up because I was so curious because

1101
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: it felt to me like David Ajoku is dominating in

1102
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: yards after catch like that that is where he has

1103
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: been so effective, and so I decided to look it up.

1104
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: So he's got two hundred and ninety three yards this season.

1105
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: He's got two hundred and forty three after the catch,

1106
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: second place on our team in terms of yards after

1107
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 3: the catch. Elijah Moore's got one oh two, Amari Cooper's

1108
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: third eighty three, so he has more yards after the catch,

1109
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: and almost he's within ten yards of our top three

1110
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: after him combined. We've got to find ways they'd also

1111
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: throw him the ball down the field.

1112
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: I haven't done well.

1113
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: Our passing game has been been tough. And another thing

1114
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: off when we talked about four and three, we're talking

1115
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: four and three leading the league in giveaways and we've

1116
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: already had a bye week, so we have given it

1117
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 3: away seventeen times in seven games and we're somehow four

1118
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: and three. I mean, that's crazy. We got to take

1119
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: care of the football. But yes, I'm with you, Chief,

1120
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: there's a lot the Chief. I'd like to see him

1121
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: use more. I'd like to see him get a lot

1122
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 3: of targets every weekend, get targets down the field as well.

1123
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: If you mentioned Pierre Strong earlier and his speed, and

1124
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: I like that too. And I also noticed he reminds

1125
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: me a little bit about our guy, Dearness Johnson, and

1126
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 3: that he gets his pads so low at the end

1127
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: that he always is going forward even when he's getting tackled.

1128
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 6: I totally agree Yeah, he's a really good zone runner.

1129
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 6: We talked about like different running styles and how it

1130
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 6: rates to different running concepts, Like he's a really good

1131
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 6: outside zone runner. He reminds me of like you watched

1132
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: Raheem Moster from the Dolphins, Like he uses that speed

1133
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 6: to threaten people, so then the linebackers have to turn

1134
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 6: their shoulders to the sideline to be able to take

1135
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 6: that angle because he can run around the defense. And

1136
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 6: then he does a great job of putting that foot

1137
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 6: in the ground, getting his shoulders face in north and south,

1138
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 6: and finishing with his shoulder pads over his knees, which

1139
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 6: makes him a tough tackle, like because at angle tackle,

1140
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 6: when a guy's got his shoulders face into the end

1141
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 6: zone and he's running full speed and he's got his

1142
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 6: pads down, that's really tough. You see guys bounced off

1143
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 6: a lot. And I think he's also good at kind

1144
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 6: of finding those tracks. I mean, he passed off to

1145
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 6: Andrew Berry for being able to kind of find a

1146
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 6: guy like that who people don't really know a whole

1147
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 6: lot about, but just really fits well into the scheme.

1148
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 6: And he's wearing number twenty, which I don't know is

1149
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 6: the if you were here. But remember a guy named

1150
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 6: Ontario Hardesty.

1151
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: Of course before but yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee.

1152
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 6: That's absolutely And he was a guy who I think

1153
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 6: would have been a good player, but he had like

1154
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 6: three ACL tears or something crazy, and he had all

1155
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 6: sorts of knee issues, so it really added up quick.

1156
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 6: But he was that type of guy that had speed,

1157
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 6: he had a little bit of wiggle. He always finished

1158
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 6: runs with his shoulder pads down. And there's a big

1159
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 6: difference in the run game when you're always adding an

1160
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 6: extra yard because it's all about just getting to those

1161
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 6: manageable second and third downs, And when you're gonna four

1162
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 6: yards instead of three, it really opens up the playbook

1163
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 6: because then now you're not stuck in some of those

1164
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 6: long yarded situations where your your playbook gets cut down

1165
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 6: because you have to run a certain number of plays.

1166
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 6: So I really like him. He's been a lot of fun.

1167
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 6: And the combination with him and what Kareem has done

1168
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 6: out there with kind of his physicality, it's been it's

1169
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 6: been a fun evolution of this Browns rushing attack.

1170
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: Joe, what do you do if you're Stefanski, if you're

1171
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: ab this would be more of a Stefanski question. Anything

1172
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: else with PJ. Walker has been put in in a

1173
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: tough spot, but it's just it hasn't worked right. I mean,

1174
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: we've had really costly turnovers. We're not completing passes at

1175
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: a fifty percent clip. These are kind of the minimum

1176
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: threshold for quarterback in the league. If Watson is indeed

1177
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: out again this week, which you hope that he plays,

1178
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, if he's not feeling it

1179
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: and he doesn't play, can you do you stay with

1180
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: that and hope that a corner gets turned or do

1181
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: you do something with DTR? How would you handle that situation?

1182
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1183
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 6: It's tough because we saw DTR in preseason and he

1184
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 6: looks so good and he was so fun to watch,

1185
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 6: and then it was like when he was on that

1186
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 6: big stage with his one start, the eyes were wide

1187
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 6: and it just there was no ability to move the

1188
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 6: ball down the field, like he just didn't look like

1189
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 6: he had that confidence to do it. And I think

1190
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 6: that's a question for guys that maybe are watching practice

1191
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 6: every day and maybe have an idea of has he

1192
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 6: been able to take that step? Because I like some

1193
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 6: of the stuff that Pj's doing and to your point earlier,

1194
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 6: like to turnovers really have been what's killed us all

1195
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 6: season long, and you got to find a way when

1196
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 6: you're the backup quarterback to be able to still complete

1197
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 6: some passes, move the ball on the field. But the

1198
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 6: one thing you can't do when you got to keep

1199
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 6: them seg we have is turn the football over. Like

1200
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 6: we're going to win every game. I truly believe that

1201
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 6: in the regular season if you don't turn the ball

1202
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 6: over because your defense is so good and you find

1203
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 6: ways to get yards and score points like I mentioned

1204
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 6: with the screenplays, and we've got enough we at receiver

1205
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 6: with Amari and Elijah and Djoku and now the run

1206
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 6: games clipping like, just don't turn the ball over and

1207
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 6: we win these games. So I still think you stay

1208
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 6: with PJ and you say, all right, you just got

1209
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 6: to have a little bit higher value on taking care

1210
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 6: of the football, and we just got to make sure

1211
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 6: we don't get in those situations that he got put

1212
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 6: in yesterday where you have to go down the field

1213
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 6: in a two minute drive because he just doesn't have

1214
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 6: that skill set right now. You can tell like he

1215
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 6: takes a sack on a two minute drive, which is

1216
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 6: the ultimate sin. Don't try to extend the play and

1217
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 6: take a sack. We can't do that because then it's over,

1218
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 6: because now you have to take a time out, and

1219
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 6: now you're in third and twenty, which is impossible.

1220
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough. I want to ask you about

1221
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: one thing, and our former lineback coach, Blake Williams was

1222
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: talking about this on Twitter earlier today, and it was

1223
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: something that I saw when I actually was watching the

1224
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: tape in this one, that the interception play on third

1225
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: and three and we'll talk about that in a second,

1226
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 3: and the sack strip fumble on the second drive. He

1227
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 3: didn't seem to recognize that a blitz was coming, even

1228
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: though I thought the defense was tipping it off. They

1229
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: were the word that Blake Wimsey's was topping. I don't

1230
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: know what you called it from an offensive perspective, but

1231
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: the guy who was blitzing had a defensive back behind

1232
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: him maybe seven, you know, seven to ten yards in

1233
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: the exact same line with him, you know where it's

1234
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: kind of saying, Okay, he's actually covering that man because

1235
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 3: this guy's blitzing, and we didn't recognize that either time

1236
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 3: to disastrous results. Is that a common thing and is

1237
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 3: that something that should be recognized, and then you know,

1238
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: protection should be slid that way as opposed to not.

1239
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, various stude observation. So basically, an offensive lineman's life

1240
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 6: is binary. You're either in the run game for the

1241
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 6: past game. The run game, that's the whole different animal.

1242
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 6: But the pass game is all about who's topped right.

1243
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 6: It's all about who can blitz and who can come

1244
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 6: and who can't right, because it's just a numbers game,

1245
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 6: and so it's just a matter of doing quick like

1246
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 6: mathematical equations when you're out there. That's why Alex Mack

1247
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 6: was such a good center, right. He could go up

1248
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 6: there and he was looking at the safety and he

1249
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 6: could quickly count who are my eligible receivers, who can

1250
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 6: cover who? And then you move your protection one way

1251
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 6: or the other based upon who the guys are that

1252
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 6: can blitt. And in that specific situation you were talking about,

1253
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 6: when you look to the right side of the Browns formation,

1254
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 6: there was nobody that could glitt because everybody had to cover.

1255
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess they could just leave somebody uncovered,

1256
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 6: but that would be a mistake like that almost never

1257
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 6: happens in football. They're like, oh, we'll just leave this

1258
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 6: guy uncovered and we're gonna blitz anyway. So what you

1259
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 6: saw was there was more dudes on the other side

1260
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: than needed to cover. So you have to turn the

1261
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 6: protection that way because even if they don't come, unless

1262
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 6: you have a weird situation where there's some like badass

1263
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 6: pass rusher, like you got a TJ. Watt over there

1264
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 6: and you're gonna go, all right, we need to double

1265
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 6: him no matter what, and then the quarterback just has

1266
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 6: to throw hot if the guy on the other side comes.

1267
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 6: But that wasn't the case, and so you had to

1268
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 6: move the protection that way. PJ had no idea that

1269
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 6: that player was not going to be blocked, and I

1270
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 6: noticed that a couple of times. They didn't always hurt us.

1271
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 6: But I wondered, because I don't know exactly what the

1272
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 6: coaches are telling him. Is it up to the quarterback

1273
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 6: to see that and move the protection right? Is it

1274
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 6: up to the center? But there were a number of

1275
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 6: times in the game where guys were late and edgy

1276
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 6: because they were trying to adjust on the run rather

1277
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 6: than pre snap having the slide going to the right

1278
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 6: players knowing, Okay, this guy can blitz because he's topped

1279
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 6: because he's got a safety behind that can cover, so

1280
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 6: he can come off the plot. On the other side,

1281
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 6: they can't, So we're sliding that way. We've got to

1282
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 6: flip it, and that's what happened in that situation. Now,

1283
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 6: whether that was the quarterback's fault because he's responsible for that,

1284
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 6: or whether that's the center and he's supposed to see it,

1285
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 6: I'm not sure. But it's something that has to get

1286
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 6: fixed because it's too easy. It's the foundation of pass

1287
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 6: protection and you've got to be aware of it. And

1288
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 6: maybe if it was on the quarterback, if that's the system,

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Speaker 6: maybe it needs to now go to the center to

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Speaker 6: be able to do that. If Pj's got too many

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Speaker 6: other things on his plate to be able to decipher that.

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Speaker 2: But joe Z alluded to it, and you just talked

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Speaker 2: about in terms of an inability to pick up the

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Speaker 2: blitz the third and three call at the two minute,

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Speaker 2: What did you make of the call? And this is

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Speaker 2: what we do on Mondays, right, we second guess everything.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of it? And obviously were results

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Speaker 2: orient and the results weren't what anybody wanted.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it looked like they had to the right side,

1300
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Speaker 6: they had double slants, and your quarterbacks taught to read

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Speaker 6: that inside out. The ball is just not thrown very well.

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Speaker 6: And you do wonder like, maybe that's not the right

1303
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Speaker 6: situation in that in that moment for your third shrink

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Speaker 6: quarterback who's done a little bit up and down with

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Speaker 6: his accuracy. I don't know, I think second guessing it

1306
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Speaker 6: because that's what we do. Like you said, if the

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Speaker 6: play doesn't work, it was a bad play, right, That's

1308
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Speaker 6: just the foundation of the world we live in, which

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Speaker 6: is great. We have mindset. We get to call the

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Speaker 6: plays after we see if they work or not. But

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, putting PG in a situation where

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Speaker 6: he's able to use is skill set at his best,

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Speaker 6: which is what we saw in the second half where

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Speaker 6: they were starting to do some of the RPO, some

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Speaker 6: of the zone read type stuff, where all right, we

1316
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 6: can hand it off the Koreem, we can slam it

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Speaker 6: up in there after we've spread them out a little bit,

1318
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Speaker 6: or you know, if they're crashing down, let PJ pull

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Speaker 6: the ball. And now he's got an opportunity to show

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Speaker 6: some of that toughness that he showed to be able

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Speaker 6: to try to pick up that first down with some

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Speaker 6: grit running the football because he's a good athlete and

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Speaker 6: that's probably where he's at his most dangerous is outside

1324
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Speaker 6: the pocket when he has the opportunity to throw the

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Speaker 6: ball down the field, or he can pull the ball

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Speaker 6: down and run. And so you know, an opportunity like

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Speaker 6: that where you have multiple different things that you can

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Speaker 6: do within that play, whether it's a handoff, whether PJ

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Speaker 6: pulls it and starts running, or pulls it starts running

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Speaker 6: and then can pop past with somebody. I think those

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Speaker 6: are always my favorite options because it gives you the

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Speaker 6: best chance to guess right what the defense is going

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Speaker 6: to do right, because you're giving yourself multiple iterations within

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Speaker 6: that play of getting it right based on what the

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Speaker 6: defensive look is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I felt like when we came out in

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Speaker 3: Shotgun in particular, I think Jamal Adams was probably run

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Speaker 3: blitzing just because that's where that inside handoff would have

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Speaker 3: gone on and then he was able to you know,

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Speaker 3: rush stop the run. I guess on the way to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback. In this case, it was a pass. I'm

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Speaker 3: with you. I noticed early in the game. I think

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Speaker 3: it was our second offensive play. We completely moved the

1344
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Speaker 3: pocket left and got an easy throw in an easy completion.

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Speaker 3: We didn't really move the pocket after that. Would if

1346
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Speaker 3: you were gonna throw, would you have moved the pocket?

1347
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Speaker 3: Or would you have been fine lining up third and three,

1348
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Speaker 3: getting Nick Harris in there, getting all the big people

1349
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Speaker 3: in there, and saying, let's just run it. Best case scenario,

1350
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Speaker 3: we pick up a first down. Second best scenario, we

1351
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Speaker 3: get it to you know, close enough that we feel

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Speaker 3: like we can sneak it and end the game. Worst

1353
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Speaker 3: case scenario, we get stopped. Worst worse, we fumble turn

1354
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Speaker 3: it over. But you'd expect either we're gonna get a

1355
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Speaker 3: first down or get the pun it back. Would you

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Speaker 3: have liked to just go heavy there and try to

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Speaker 3: do that. I like the idea of going for the

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Speaker 3: game winner. I just I am not sure what the

1359
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Speaker 3: best way to get there was, given that that's who

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Speaker 3: was playing quarterback. I didn't want to give the ball

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Speaker 3: back to the Seahawks. I just did not, even though

1362
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Speaker 3: I love our defense and try to. It's just if

1363
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Speaker 3: you can end the game, end a game, that's the

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Speaker 3: way I think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the common thinking that I agree with

1366
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Speaker 6: right now is like, if you have the chance to

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Speaker 6: put the dagger in them, like do it, like even

1368
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Speaker 6: if it's a little bit risky, because then it's over.

1369
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Speaker 6: Then you don't have to worry about anything else. And

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Speaker 6: we love our defense. But I mean their offense still

1371
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Speaker 6: went all the way down the field and scored a

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Speaker 6: touchdown and just a few plays on our defense after

1373
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Speaker 6: that turnover. So I mean, as good as your defense is,

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Speaker 6: I don't care if you're the eighty five Bears, there's

1375
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Speaker 6: still a chance. I mean, the other team's good, like

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Speaker 6: and Geo Smith impressed me with his throws, and that

1377
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Speaker 6: offense was it was fun. I mean, they they were good.

1378
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Speaker 6: They did a good job spreading the field out and

1379
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Speaker 6: they were hitting a lot of inside crossing routes, they

1380
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Speaker 6: were hitting some sideline throws. They could run the ball,

1381
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Speaker 6: and there was a tough offense for for our defense.

1382
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Speaker 6: And so in that moment, I think probably like you said, hey,

1383
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 6: let's run the ball, and even if we don't pick

1384
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 6: it up, maybe we'll give ourselves a fourth and short

1385
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 6: and then we have another chance to put the dagger

1386
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Speaker 6: in them, rather than just having some type of drop

1387
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 6: back pass, which is putting a lot of pressure on

1388
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 6: your third string quarterback that hasn't been in a lot

1389
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Speaker 6: of those moments.

1390
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is now a as we look big picture,

1391
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: this is now Baltimore six and two half and then

1392
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh US and the Bengals all at four and three.

1393
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: The Bengals have won three in a row. I don't

1394
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: know if you were double screening the game last night,

1395
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: but they looked awful good winning in San Francisco. At

1396
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Speaker 2: one point, Burrow completed nineteen straight. Trade deadline is Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Do you anticipate this being a noisy trade deadline and

1398
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Speaker 2: maybe even a noisy one in the AFC North?

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm not really sure what's going to happen

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Speaker 6: with the trade deadline because it always seems like every

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 6: year there's a lot of chatter about teams doing stuff,

1402
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 6: and I think some of that is driven by us,

1403
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 6: right in the media, us as fans, because we're excited

1404
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 6: about our team. Right we're thinking, hey, if there's just

1405
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 6: one piece we're missing, this is who we need to

1406
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 6: go out and get. And as fans we think very shortsighted,

1407
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 6: whereas teams, you know, they're thinking more long term, by

1408
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 6: all right, what do we have to give up to

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Speaker 6: get it? And how much is it going to benefit us?

1410
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Speaker 6: Because of the trade dead you usually have to overpay

1411
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 6: for guys unless you get really fortunate, and some teams

1412
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 6: just having a fire sale, which you just don't see

1413
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 6: that often. And so do you want to overpay for

1414
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 6: somebody that you know is probably maybe going to help you?

1415
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 6: You hope he's going to help, but you just have

1416
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 6: no idea. So I think a lot of times you

1417
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 6: get typed up more than it really ends up being,

1418
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 6: but you never know. I mean, I'm curious to what

1419
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 6: you guys think about. Is there a position of need

1420
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 6: that you think is reasonable to be able to pick

1421
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 6: up during the trade deadline that's going to make a

1422
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 6: significant difference, because we're right there, Like you said, Baltimore's

1423
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 6: significantly ahead right now where they are and they look

1424
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Speaker 6: really good, but everybody else in our division, we're right there.

1425
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Speaker 6: And I think in the AFC, we got a great

1426
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 6: opportunity first of all, to win the AFC North if

1427
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 6: you play a little bit better, but also I mean

1428
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 6: just get in as a wild card and then trying

1429
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 6: to play good football at the end of the season.

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Speaker 6: So I definitely think that you want to be players,

1431
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 6: but you also want to be smart and not over right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like you just need to have like

1433
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: full transparency with Dashawn on with like a timetable because

1434
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: we can't we can't be contenders with what we're doing

1435
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: at quarterback. It's so that is the solution. He's the solution.

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: He has to be this until there's you know, because

1437
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: you could patch work it and try to find another

1438
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: way to stay in the mix for a while. But

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Speaker 2: I think that's it. Starts there, starts and stops there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and people are talking. You know, you

1441
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 3: can't really run it much more. We ran it forty times.

1442
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: We ran it eleven out of fourteen plays in the

1443
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 3: fourth quarter yard Clearly, Kevin Stefanski was aware of the

1444
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: limitations that he was dealing with and tried to win anyway. Uh,

1445
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 3: it's tough. I think that's it. You're a Deshaun Watson

1446
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 3: needs to be back, and he needs to play like

1447
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson has played previously in the National Football League,

1448
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: or like the last time we saw against Tennessee Titans,

1449
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 3: which was at this point low those many weeks ago, right, right,

1450
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 3: But that's there isn't a solution walking through the door

1451
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: you mentioned the trade deadline. We can buttress this roster

1452
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: all we want. Oh, let's get another receiver. Let's get

1453
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 3: if we don't have Deshaun Watson, the likelihood we're gonna

1454
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: be able to deliver the football to that receiver is

1455
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: very slip. Yeah, and we're winning in crazy fashion, and

1456
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: yes it is. We are very fortunate to be four

1457
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 3: and three.

1458
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: So now we need to go.

1459
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: We need to get everybody all hands on deck, and

1460
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 3: we need to be able to get this thing done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're having some radio transmission issues with the great

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Speaker 2: hoff Off all right, Yeah, just a little a little

1463
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Speaker 2: squelchee if you're familiar with the farm equipment.

1464
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Speaker 3: Sounds like we're on a like ker squelch swels.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's it, that's it, all right. That was

1466
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: a Joe Thomas half hour of the program. Well we're

1467
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: up against it anyway, that's right, all right, coming up, net,

1468
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Speaker 2: We appreciate Joe a very very great deal. We've got

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Speaker 2: coach coming up next from the podium. You listen to

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Daily on a fifty.

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1479
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Speaker 2: about the trade deadline, and we're awaiting Kevin Stefanski at

1480
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Speaker 2: the podium as his customary Monday presser pushed back here

1481
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: into the two o'clock hour. If you're Minnesota and you

1482
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 2: have Cousins goes down with an achilles, you're four and four.

1483
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: Addison looks like he's going. You got, he's a stud.

1484
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: You got. Jefferson's coming back after this week. He's got

1485
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 2: one more then he's coming back. Murray's not playing.

1486
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 3: Supposely they won't trade him.

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Speaker 2: It seems crazy to me.

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 3: I think I think Tannehill's more likely.

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Speaker 2: You think Tannehill, Well, yeah, you can't go back to

1490
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: tannehillys Levis let us serve four touchdowns yesterday. But if

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01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: you're Minnesota, you've got to put somebody in there to

1492
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: try like.

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Speaker 3: There, I think you go for Tannehill or you go

1494
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 3: for Jacoby. Yeah, those because they're familiar with the system.

1495
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: So you've heard that Arizona is not moving. They're not moving,

1496
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: said this morning, I think.

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Speaker 3: That they have no plans to trade him, but they

1498
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Speaker 3: have already announced that Dobbs is starting against us, even though.

1499
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 2: And even healthy. He was full last week. Right, so

1500
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 2: I understand you want him to start in an advantageous

1501
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: position and fifty degrees and rain and our defense is

1502
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 2: an edit not just.

1503
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 3: Yea no no.

1504
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. For those of you who say we don't want

1505
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 2: a dome, think about that on Sunday when you're down

1506
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: there and it's fifty degrees.

1507
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 3: The other thing is we want our quarterback to come

1508
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 3: hopefully come back and play this week. I mean, I

1509
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 3: think it's I don't think it's critical. I think that

1510
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 3: it is extremely important that Deshaun Watson plays this week. Yeah,

1511
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: that's me personally. And again it's gonna come down to

1512
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 3: whether or not he can, but I think it's important.

1513
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 3: I hope he can.

1514
01:09:58,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: Here's coach at the.

1515
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 9: Podium, right, guys, we have coach here. Coach will let

1516
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 9: you get started, Okay.

1517
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 8: Thanks Jordan. Okay, I'll update you guys on injuries Wednesdays.

1518
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 8: Still got a lot of information incoming. You know, yesterday

1519
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 8: obviously very disappointed when you watch the tape and you

1520
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 8: know in the moment, just not to come away with

1521
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 8: a win there. We didn't finish. You have the lead

1522
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 8: in the fourth quarter late and we didn't finish the game,

1523
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 8: and that's frustrating. Obviously, we'll learn from it, will be

1524
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 8: better because of it, and then we'll turn our attention

1525
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 8: to a big one this week at home in front

1526
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 8: of our fans. And with that, I'll take any questions, all.

1527
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 9: Right, first question, we'll go to Tom.

1528
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 10: Thanks Jordan. Hey, Kevin, A lot of debate over the

1529
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 10: third and three play. Why did you opt to pass

1530
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 10: the ball there?

1531
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know we had options there, Tom, I felt

1532
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 8: good about our group. Obviously you'd prefer an incompletion there.

1533
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 8: You know it stops the clock at the two minutes.

1534
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 8: We knew that, and obviously you know you would have

1535
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 8: preferred a run for a gain of zero one or

1536
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 8: two or get it all. That's true, but the result

1537
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 8: didn't go the way we want it. That's the truth.

1538
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 8: But you just got to continue to just do what

1539
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 8: you think is best for your team.

1540
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 10: Pj's trying to throw to Amari there and I think

1541
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 10: he's got Elijah in the slot, and then obviously Jerome

1542
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 10: comes open late and it seems like PGA had already

1543
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 10: committed there is that is forward than his second read

1544
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 10: or maybe even his third on that play.

1545
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know with that play, and I don't want

1546
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 8: to get into all the specifics time, but you have

1547
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 8: options on that play. But ultimately, it's just it it

1548
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 8: didn't work out how we hoped it would.

1549
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 9: All right, next we'll go to Cam.

1550
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 11: Kevin kind of off of that practice, that ball security

1551
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 11: and you guys preach ball security all the time, but

1552
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 11: what can you do like this week in practice to

1553
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 11: prevent situations like that, to prevent those costly late game turnovers.

1554
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, all those turnovers are costly and that's frustrating. We

1555
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 8: lead the league and giveaways right now with seventeen, and

1556
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 8: it's just it's hard. It's hard to win in the

1557
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 8: NFL period, it's hard to win on the road. It's

1558
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 8: hard to win when you turn the ball over. So

1559
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 8: we have to really really commit ourselves as an offense

1560
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 8: not to give that thing away. Obviously, it's a team

1561
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 8: stat with in terms of takeaways that can happen on

1562
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 8: defense and special teams. But first things first, we have

1563
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 8: to take care of that football.

1564
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 11: I'm sure that defense was maybe a little bit disappointed,

1565
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 11: frustrated to themselves that they weren't able to get that

1566
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 11: final stop. What was their response to not being able

1567
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,839
Speaker 11: to do that and giving up that late game touchdown

1568
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 11: on the other end?

1569
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, as you know, our defense played really really well

1570
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 8: for a long stretch of that game. You know, that's

1571
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 8: part of finishing. It's why we all share in this thing. Offense, defense,

1572
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 8: special teams, players, coaches. We shared it. We didn't finish

1573
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 8: the game like we can.

1574
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 9: All right, Next, we're going to marry Kay.

1575
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 12: Yeah, Kevin, I know you mentioned that you will update

1576
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 12: injuries later in the week, but can you just give

1577
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 12: us any idea whatsoever what the outlook is or what

1578
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 12: the feeling is on Deshaun's chances whatsoever?

1579
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 9: This week?

1580
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 12: Is he making progress?

1581
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:09,839
Speaker 8: Are you hopeful?

1582
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 12: Can you characterize it in any way?

1583
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 8: Yeah? I just would tell you America, he's continuing to

1584
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 8: come along. We'll make those type of decisions later on

1585
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 8: in the week. All right, Next we go to Jeff.

1586
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 4: Hey, Kevin, you know, it is easy to focus on

1587
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 4: that last play, but I'm going to go back to

1588
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 4: the first quarter.

1589
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 8: What what happened to the defense that allowed h get

1590
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 8: those two early touchdowns? Yeah, I mean we settled in

1591
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 8: after those early drives. It's always a couple, it's always

1592
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 8: multiple things, Jeff. There's a couple of times we were

1593
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 8: out of our gap, maybe didn't get a guy on

1594
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 8: the ground with a tackle here and there, but they

1595
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 8: had some good plays. They made some plays which we

1596
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 8: knew they were certainly capable of doing. But our defense

1597
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 8: then settled in and played really really good football, and

1598
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 8: that was you know, that was early in the game.

1599
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 8: I think the sense on our sideline was it was

1600
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 8: gonna be a long game and we just had to

1601
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 8: hang in there as a team. All right.

1602
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 10: Next we'll go to Scott.

1603
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 13: Hey Kevin to go back to that third and three again. Obviously,

1604
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 13: you have your not your starting quarterback in there. How

1605
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 13: much do you take that into account when you're making

1606
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 13: that kind of decision.

1607
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you take everything into account.

1608
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 6: Scott.

1609
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 8: I think you take all of your players, certainly a quarterback.

1610
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 8: You know, things that have been working throughout the game, run, pass,

1611
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 8: you name it. So you try to make all those

1612
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 8: things factor into really every decision.

1613
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 13: And then did you feel the need to talk to

1614
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 13: Kareem after what he said at the end of the

1615
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 13: after the game.

1616
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 8: You know, I will talk to Kareem like I talked

1617
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 8: to all of our guys. But you know, Kareem wants

1618
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 8: to help this football team.

1619
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 10: Uh.

1620
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 8: Was pleased with really all those running backs. I thought

1621
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 8: they all ran hard, they made plays in the past

1622
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 8: game as well. I thought we had a good balance

1623
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 8: of all those guys. But you know, I like players

1624
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 8: that don't want to help the football team.

1625
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 13: Is there a reason he wasn't used it all in

1626
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 13: the fourth quarter?

1627
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 8: No, just a balance of using all of our guys

1628
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 8: really is what it was. Thanks all right?

1629
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 9: Next to go to Delvis.

1630
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 14: Coach, how do you keep the team encourage? I mean

1631
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 14: it's heartbreaking loss. That was It seemed like that defeat

1632
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 14: was snatched from the jaws.

1633
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 15: Of victory, so to speak, at a game that pretty

1634
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 15: much you all were in control until the end, and

1635
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 15: then with the with the third and three call, it

1636
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 15: just kind of seems like the running backs didn't have

1637
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 15: a chance to put this game away. So how do

1638
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 15: you keep your team encouraged far as going to this

1639
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,480
Speaker 15: next game, which is real crucial against Arizona.

1640
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think our football team, there's a bunch of

1641
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 8: pros that understand where we are in our season. We're

1642
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 8: not even halfway through this season.

1643
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 6: You're right.

1644
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 8: It's a disappointing loss. They all hurt. Every loss hurts,

1645
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 8: They all sting. What we do is we learn from

1646
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 8: them and then we don't take them with us. You

1647
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 8: identify things that you want to correct, you do that,

1648
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 8: and then you move on. That's about being a pro

1649
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 8: in the NFL. These games come at you every week,

1650
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 8: and this one is the most important game in our

1651
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 8: life because it's the next one versus Arizona.

1652
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 9: All right, next to going to Ashley, Hey, Kevin, looking

1653
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 9: at the quarter by quarter scoring breakdowns for the season,

1654
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 9: I don't have the exact numbers in front of you,

1655
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,480
Speaker 9: but I know the first quarter is the largest disparity

1656
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 9: for you guys, or you're getting out scored. Is there

1657
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 9: any commonality that you guys are noticing with these defensive

1658
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 9: Maybe the first drive doesn't go as planned or things

1659
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 9: like that that are allowing opponents to get so many

1660
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 9: points on the board.

1661
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 13: In the opening quarters.

1662
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 8: You know, I think it's a small sample size right

1663
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 8: this minute, I would say, and our focus is to

1664
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 8: play good offense, good defense for sixty minutes. We understand that,

1665
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 8: you know, it's a challenge and sometimes you're going to

1666
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 8: get an opening script from an offense that's going to

1667
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 8: have a couple beaters, if you will, and they may

1668
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 8: make a few plays here and there. But our focus

1669
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 8: is just to play sound team football for sixty minutes.

1670
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 5: And the flip side of that, I mean the fact

1671
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 5: that these guys do seem to bounce back even if

1672
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 5: they do give up an early score, or to just

1673
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 5: what that said about the defenses resolve or whatever you

1674
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 5: want to call it so far this year.

1675
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd call it resilience. You know, I think our

1676
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 8: team understands that these games are or can be nip

1677
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 8: and tuck. That's the NFL. It's going to be close games.

1678
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 8: So you know, again I mentioned it earlier, we got

1679
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 8: in and got in an early hole, but the guys

1680
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 8: fought out of it, and that that was you know,

1681
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 8: that's kind of what these guys are made of.

1682
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 9: Right next, we'll go to Fred.

1683
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 16: Hey coach, I know, with Deshaun We're unsure, but if

1684
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 16: he cannot go, would PJ start or is there any

1685
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 16: possibility you would look at the rookie.

1686
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, we'll make again all those determinations roster wise or

1687
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 8: for later in the week.

1688
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 16: What about Donovan People's jones. It seems like, you know,

1689
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 16: he's kind of disappeared this season after a lot of

1690
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 16: catches last year. I don't think he had any yesterday.

1691
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 8: Yeah. Nothing continues to be dependable for US. Ball sometimes

1692
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 8: finds the way to other guys. I know Maury obviously

1693
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 8: had a bunch of targets in that game, but that's

1694
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 8: all it is, all right, Next to go to Kelsey.

1695
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 2: Kevin, what did you like yesterday about the balance between

1696
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: both the past game and the run game and just

1697
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 2: how that's developed over the course of the season.

1698
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought the guys did a nice job with

1699
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 8: the plan what we're trying to do in the run.

1700
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 8: In the past game, like we mentioned, got all the

1701
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 8: running backs involved, had a good number of rushes, which

1702
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 8: we felt was going to be important there. But ultimately

1703
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 8: you do need to finish the game, like we've talked about.

1704
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 8: But I thought the understanding of the plan was there.

1705
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 9: All right, we'll go back to Mary Kay.

1706
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kevin, can you.

1707
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 12: Let us know or give us an idea of your

1708
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 12: thoughts with the trade deadline coming tomorrow? Do you feel

1709
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 12: the need to bolster certain positions on your roster or

1710
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 12: do you feel fairly comfortable with what you.

1711
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 8: Have at the spoint. I like our football team, Mary Kay.

1712
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 8: As you know Andrew in the personnel department, they work

1713
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 8: through all those type of things. But I like our

1714
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 8: football team, all right, And.

1715
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 9: We'll take two more first one from Cam.

1716
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 8: Kevin.

1717
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 11: We on both sides of the ball, Pierre Strong and

1718
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 11: then Mohurst both making really big plays for those guys

1719
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 11: to kind of have earned their spot and their way

1720
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 11: up into these roles and to provide that kind of

1721
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 11: depth and talent there. What does that meant to this

1722
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 11: football team to have guys like that in kind of

1723
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 11: every area.

1724
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really important. Cam, and you know, Moe's has

1725
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 8: been with us since the spring, so has a real

1726
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 8: good understanding of what we're doing and continues to give

1727
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 8: us really good reps. And then Pierre obviously was a

1728
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 8: later add onto our football team, but got up to

1729
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 8: speed and then right away made an impact on special

1730
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 8: teams and did a great job and has done a

1731
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 8: great job for us there, and then his role has

1732
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 8: grown on offense as we've seen. I think he continues

1733
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 8: to take strides there as well.

1734
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 9: All right, and last one from Scott.

1735
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 13: Hey, Kevin, I know you said you're going to update

1736
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 13: injuries later in the week. Is there Are you worried

1737
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 13: that there's anything serious coming out of yesterday's game.

1738
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 8: We'll see, Uh, you know, it's it's a bunch of

1739
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 8: guys that well we'll look at and still getting all

1740
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 8: the information, but we'll see.

1741
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 13: Could you I know, I asked you after the game,

1742
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 13: do you know if Zadarius is actually came back negative?

1743
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 8: I don't know what. We are still getting results on him,

1744
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 8: but uh, you know, I'm hopeful on ze. Okay, Thanks all.

1745
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 9: Right, that wraps us as up.

1746
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 8: Thanks coach, Thanks every much.

1747
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 2: There's coach Stefanski at the podium and a lot of

1748
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: wait and see when it comes to the injury side

1749
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 2: of things. So we got the Deshaun news last week

1750
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 2: on Wednesday at the start of his Wednesday practice presser.

1751
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe that's where it comes. But that is

1752
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: we're long ways into this thing, and that's really it.

1753
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: I mean, this is The crazy thing is is you

1754
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 2: have a trade deadline tomorrow and it's all connected z

1755
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: all right.

1756
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can decide to anything for

1757
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,839
Speaker 3: the now unless you know what's going on with your quarterback.

1758
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 3: And I think that it's been clear that there is

1759
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 3: been that there is an injury with Deshaun Watson. The

1760
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 3: question is can he play with that injury? At this point,

1761
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 3: DeShawn has felt that he cannot, and certainly in Indianapolis

1762
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 3: it would have appeared that way. Yeah, So what has

1763
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 3: been done in the two weeks since that so that

1764
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 3: hopefully he can play? Because this team needs Deshaun Watson. Folks,

1765
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 3: maybe you give DTR a shot. You're not. PJ. Walker

1766
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: has given you everything he got. I respect him immensely.

1767
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: He's a gamer, he's a competitor. He shows flashes of

1768
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 3: very very good throws, but the consistency is not there

1769
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 3: and he cannot take care of the football. And that's

1770
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 3: not just a Brown hit PJ Walker with the Browns.

1771
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 3: That's just unfortunately that's been PJ. Walker. I mean, look

1772
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 3: at his career touchdowns interceptions. So you need to and

1773
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a quarterback out there that you're

1774
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 3: you're going to get because we all like Jacoby. I

1775
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 3: think Jacoby's great, but like, are we winning the Super

1776
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 3: Bowl Chakobe.

1777
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 6: We're set?

1778
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: No, No, that's what I mean. Like, that's where we

1779
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: have to head the certainty on Watson and before.

1780
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 3: And I don't think you're going to have that certainty

1781
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 3: before tomorrow. Now, if you were to say, maybe we

1782
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,520
Speaker 3: can get you know what's called Jerry Judy for example.

1783
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: Which I don't think they will. They've won now two

1784
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 2: in a row, right.

1785
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 3: Right, so maybe you can't. But if you could have

1786
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 3: that's somebody that's for this year and for next year. Yeah, right,

1787
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: And I think that's the only kind of a move

1788
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: that this team is going to make. I don't think

1789
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 3: they're going to make a move that is for the

1790
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season. It exclusively, we'll see. I mean,

1791
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 3: they're in the market, you know, that's the that's that

1792
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 3: the scuttle butt has been there looking for a receiver.

1793
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: So I guess it would be you know, Donovan Peoples,

1794
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 3: Jones and a pick for a receiver and a pick

1795
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 3: or one way or the other. And we'll see ultimately

1796
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 3: what that looks like if if that does happen, but

1797
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 3: I think that it's highly much more likely than not

1798
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 3: that they don't. And and DPJ, you know, maybe he

1799
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: has a chance to flourish somewhere else because right now,

1800
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: with the way our quarterbacks are playing, he's not getting

1801
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 3: the ball and he should be. I mean, I just

1802
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: showed you a play in the break cord. He was

1803
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 3: wide open and absolutely should have gotten the ball, and

1804
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 3: there are multiple of those throughout the game. It's just

1805
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 3: that's not where the ball's going right now, because I

1806
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: think PJ, and like many backups or even young quarterbacks,

1807
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 3: they decide I'm gonna go probably throws the ball to

1808
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper, which makes a lot of sense because a

1809
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 3: Mari is an elite wide receiver, but that that's where

1810
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 3: you're going to get a lot of, you know, predeterminations,

1811
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 3: and that's this offense functions best when it isn't predetermined.

1812
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 3: And I'd even argue from watching Seattle against US, I

1813
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 3: thought that there were many times that Gino Smith said

1814
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm throwing the ball to DK Metcalf when he would

1815
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 3: have been fine to do other things and only five catches.

1816
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 3: M J Emerson did a tremendous job on DK metcalf

1817
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: and he had sixty seven yards forty three on one

1818
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 3: of them. So his other his other four catches went

1819
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 3: for twenty four yards. It's six yards of catch.

1820
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: That's his other thirteen targets went for twenty four.

1821
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 3: Yards, right, So do you think of that way? Yes,

1822
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 3: under two yards of target like that is elite. But

1823
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. This one's frustrating because clearly you know

1824
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: you could have won. I think you heard Kevin Stefancy say, look,

1825
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 3: a run for anything other than a fumble would have

1826
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 3: been better than what the result on that play was.

1827
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 3: They're trying to win the game. They thought it was

1828
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 3: a good idea. I mean, of course they take into

1829
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 3: account who's there, but they still also think that a

1830
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 3: guy can throw a four yard pass in the NFL.

1831
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 3: And I would imagine anybody on a NFL roster woid

1832
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 3: feel that way.

1833
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 2: We talked about this earlier. You had had an entirely

1834
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 2: you had an entirely different view of that play. Had

1835
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 2: Jerome just stayed in bounds previously, well, then in forty

1836
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 2: seconds to shape the clock, now it's under two minutes.

1837
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 2: Now it's right now, it's third and three. The two

1838
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 2: minute warning is gone. If you run it, then they've

1839
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: got to burn it time out. Well rck, you could

1840
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: have ran it twice. Fortunately call it and thought about

1841
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 2: fourth and one. You could have thought about that at

1842
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: that point, putting Nick Harris back there, kareem, they'll get

1843
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: a yard. That type of a thing is basically our

1844
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: version of the of the brotherly push or shove or

1845
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 2: whatever they call it. And that's the that's the way

1846
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: that that all changes. So like you can focus on that,

1847
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: and I understand it because we're binary. Did it work, No,

1848
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: it did not. Let's find out what here's what you

1849
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: should have done. But there are instances leading up to

1850
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: that that change the way that play is called. And

1851
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 2: that's a big one is that that thing with him.

1852
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it from a you mentioned Jacoby Tannehill,

1853
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: Kyler not going to be dealt. So if there aren't

1854
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 2: enough quarterbacks to fit all the quarterback problems in the league,

1855
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: like Minnesota's four and four, they can't go with that cat.

1856
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 3: Who they played yesterday, Nick Mullins.

1857
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 2: So you got to get you got to go out

1858
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: there and see who's available. And there were a ton

1859
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 2: of quarterback injury. There are a ton of quarterback injuries.

1860
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: In this league, there's backups playing. I mean New York's

1861
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: under their third guy now, Daniel Dimes will probably come

1862
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: back next week, but you see it, and Jacoby's out there,

1863
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: Tannehill's out there. Those are the two most viable ones

1864
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 2: that are out there. And the other ones, you know,

1865
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 2: like Philly with Mariota, like and he's washed anyway, but

1866
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: like they're not moving off of him because they can't

1867
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: if something were to happen, passion.

1868
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 3: Playing because he's the guy in New Orleans, Jamis Andy Dalton.

1869
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: Jamis would be one. Andy Dalton Jamis would be one.

1870
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Jamis to Minnesota.

1871
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 3: I wonder what Minnesota does now. I wonder if they can't.

1872
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 2: They're four and four.

1873
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean, they should want to stay in it, but realistically,

1874
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 3: what's the point.

1875
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: Realistically you can't play with that quarterback though, fine, and

1876
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 2: they're not going to be in a position to probably

1877
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: draft one high because they're too good even with the

1878
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: loss of Cousins.

1879
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 3: Throw out a crazy thing and just popped in my

1880
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 3: head writing this down. What if they trade Jefferson to

1881
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: somebody for like a couple of one or two ones.

1882
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Jefferson is in year three, No, he's in year four, so.

1883
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 3: He's got to get paid. He's got to get They

1884
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 3: now have Addison, who looks every bit like a legit number,

1885
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: like he can I can carry an offense number one. Sure,

1886
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: so I have that on a rookie contract that allows

1887
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: me to all of a sudden buttress this roster in

1888
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 3: a major way.

1889
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: Oh, you'd be trading the best receiver, the consensus going

1890
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 2: into the season, best receiver in football. I'm not saying

1891
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: they're going to it or I'm just saying, like, what's

1892
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: what would be a commiserate give back to ones? Two ones?

1893
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 2: And then what would be a team that's justin Jefferson away.

1894
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: It's got to be in the AFC Kansas City bills,

1895
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: Kansas City camp paying bills.

1896
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, put them with Digs. You have Digs and Jefferson

1897
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: and gave Davis all of a sudden and you're just like,

1898
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 3: we're going.

1899
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: We're going for it, Jacksonville. You could give him one

1900
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: of the guys back.

1901
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 3: They could give them Ridley back, give him.

1902
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: Ridley, swipe and swap out Jefferson and two ones. Go

1903
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: your way and we'll go with that operation. Yeah. In

1904
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 2: terms of the teams that are closed Dallas, So Dallas, Yeah,

1905
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: CD with Dak he would like that.

1906
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 3: I'm certain. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen.

1907
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: I just I do think we're going to see some stop,

1908
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 2: some action in the next twenty four hours.

1909
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: I do. I mean, I'll tell you who would make

1910
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 3: that trade. And I didn't want to say it, but

1911
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: I know it would make that trade. This one for

1912
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 3: that guy in the AFC. Yeah, we didn't mention seea.

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Speaker 2: Seven Okay, Raiders could wear their black over silver tonight

1925
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 2: because the Leos are in their silver over silver.

1926
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sure couldn't with the blue hats, so I hope.

1927
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 2: I see him in black over silver.

1928
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 3: I would like that as well.

1929
01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: I'll let you go first. Last week I went for

1930
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: some Monday Sure.

1931
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: Last time we saw the Leo's they got blasted. I

1932
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 3: don't think Vegas is very good. Now they had a

1933
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 3: player's only meeting where they aired all their grievances. I

1934
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: still don't think they're good. They coach, they hate their coach,

1935
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 3: they hate the system, they hate everything, all of it.

1936
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 3: They are not happy with it. Grapes is playing, though,

1937
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 3: Grapes is playing. I think the Lions win this one

1938
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 3: pretty easy. I think they're up thirteen with about three

1939
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: minutes to go, and then we're going to get one

1940
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 3: of these ridiculous Droppolo DeVante Adams. Okay, thanks, How you

1941
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 3: doing bootsies? That don't matter? Just call them bootsies, bootsies

1942
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Speaker 3: at the door, boots it's a Bootsy's never.

1943
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Speaker 2: Going to go again again. After I had Michael Myers.

1944
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Speaker 3: In the window to the end of that, twenty seven twenty.

1945
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Speaker 2: One feels like that to me as well. I'll go

1946
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Speaker 2: Samsy's with you on that, my friend. We're back tomorrow

1947
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Speaker 2: with more fun. The next levels coming up next. Cly

1948
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Speaker 2: eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1949
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1950
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