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Speaker 1: We pray without ceasing, so we never stop technically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good, Alex dude, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 2: I I've been looking forward to this and I have

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Speaker 2: been such a fan of the Way for We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about several things, but first of all, the way

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Speaker 2: you put together a beautiful podcast called Storms in the Desert.

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Speaker 2: You are. I haven't Marshall introduced us, and I haven't

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Speaker 2: is you are definitely a storyteller at heart. When did

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Speaker 3: Uh? You know, it's very kind of you. You didn't

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Speaker 3: prep me with questions. You know, I never do storytelling.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that metal.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe regrettably the answer to your question might

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Speaker 3: to wonder if the Lord hasn't in part redeemed redeemed

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Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense. And I'll reference that later because

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Speaker 2: But what I want to unpack, and the reason I

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know. I mean I wrote it, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So what I'm talking about is this podcast called Storms

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, and Granger, what's true too is like

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Speaker 2: Alistair beg Truth for Life and I remember driving in

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Speaker 2: Scottish accent, you know, he says, turn with me to

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Speaker 2: you know, this chapter, because you know, we left off

433
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Speaker 2: last week here and so now we're going to pick

434
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Speaker 2: up and continue the story. And I was like, yeah, oh,

435
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Speaker 2: is this a church service? This is cool. And then

436
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Speaker 2: he began to you know, for you know, forty minutes,

437
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Speaker 2: go through this new passage and then apply it. And

438
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Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if he will do this,

439
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Speaker 2: if next week he'll do the next passage, you know,

440
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Speaker 2: because we kind of were left at a cliffhanger anyway.

441
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Speaker 2: And sure enough that the radio program and I remember

442
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Speaker 2: the radio program flipped and they brought the new the

443
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Speaker 2: next one in and it was the continuation of that,

444
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Speaker 2: and I started losing service in my truck with the

445
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Speaker 2: FM station. Then I pulled over on the side of

446
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Speaker 2: the road to get to keep this signal clear, and

447
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Speaker 2: I was I was just so interested that this was

448
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Speaker 2: a way that people did church.

449
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Speaker 3: That was yeah, that was and I want to assume

450
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Speaker 3: the best about folks who do it differently. Right, It's

451
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: it's because so in other words, I don't want to

452
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Speaker 3: pit this kind of ministry and say, well, and if

453
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Speaker 3: you don't do this, you're not interested in teaching the

454
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Speaker 3: Bible to your people. No, no, no, no. I think

455
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Speaker 3: probably what's happening is that a lot many churches, and

456
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Speaker 3: I would even say this of the church that I

457
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: grew up in, for which I'm very thankful, is that

458
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Speaker 3: they have a totally different than than than at least

459
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Speaker 3: the three of us here. They have a different conception

460
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Speaker 3: of what the Sunday gathering is for and so so

461
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Speaker 3: so they would they would they would say, either explicitly

462
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Speaker 3: or implicitly that ultimately the Sunday gathering is for fill

463
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Speaker 3: in the blank, and it's often filled in the blank

464
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Speaker 3: with stuff like the unbeliever or someone seeking or or

465
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Speaker 3: or maybe it's not that it would be for you know,

466
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Speaker 3: someone who doesn't know that X about why, and so

467
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Speaker 3: they need to be instructed, you know, about why. And

468
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Speaker 3: and I think I think those those definitions might sound

469
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Speaker 3: like not that different, but it's actually a fundamentally different

470
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Speaker 3: understanding of what I understand to be what the point

471
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Speaker 3: of a Sunday morning service is, which which is which

472
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Speaker 3: is to primarily, not exclusively, but primarily build up the church.

473
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Speaker 3: And if we're trying to build up the church, by

474
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Speaker 3: which I mean a group of Christians who are committed

475
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Speaker 3: to one another, then what those people need is instruction

476
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Speaker 3: on on on not just like one topic, but on

477
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Speaker 3: like how to live this Christian life together through understanding

478
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Speaker 3: the word. Now, unbelievers should be addressed. They should be

479
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Speaker 3: I mean, First Corinthians eleven through fourteen makes it clear

480
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Speaker 3: the unbelievers should should should be able to walk through

481
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Speaker 3: a gathering and understand, be able to understand what's going on,

482
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Speaker 3: and to be able to even locate themselves as in

483
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Speaker 3: some degree outside of it, but still addressed and welcomed

484
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Speaker 3: in it, you know what I mean. There was a

485
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Speaker 3: notice that God is among is among you. Whether they

486
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Speaker 3: like that or not, you know, that's up between them

487
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Speaker 3: and the Lord. So I think I think what's happening

488
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Speaker 3: often is is church is just that different understands of

489
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Speaker 3: what the Sunday morning gathering is for. And so they're

490
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Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna frame and and and structure their gathering

491
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: so accordingly and I want to be sympathetic to those differences,

492
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Speaker 3: even if I think the scriptures would be more on

493
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Speaker 3: our side than on theirs, while respecting that there's differences

494
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Speaker 3: of opinion.

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Speaker 2: And let me also say that this is this is

496
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Speaker 2: not your your special interpretation of what the scriptures are saying.

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Speaker 2: You're I also know that you're standing on the shoulders

498
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: of hundreds and hundreds of years Yeah, of other preachers. Yeah, yeah,

499
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: And it goes and it goes hundreds and hundreds of

500
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Speaker 2: years before even Spurgeon. Yeah, we can go all the

501
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: way back to Justin Martyr talking about that was that's

502
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: the first written document we have, and that was in

503
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: the second century, mid second century of how they did church.

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: And we know that there is a direct line to

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Speaker 2: the apostles themselves from this in the second century. If

506
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: you want to get a hold of me for any reason,

507
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: go to cameo dot com slash Granger Smith. It's a

508
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: great way to get someone a gift that you don't

509
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: know what to get. It's some video message from me. Basically,

510
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 2: you message me and say, hey, can you tell my

511
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: brother happy birthday, can you tell my wife happy inniversary?

512
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: Or can you give me a word of encouragement or

513
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: maybe even a prayer. Go to cameo dot com slash

514
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: granger Smith. Fill that out and it comes right to

515
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: my phone. I read what you want me to say.

516
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: I could add libit. I take my phone, put it

517
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: on selfie mode, shoot a quick video saying Hey, Bob,

518
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: Cindy wanted me to tell you a happy anniversary, and

519
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: you know, whatever you wantan to say, and then I'll

520
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 2: send you that video message and then you give it

521
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: to Cindy. It's a great little tool. I've been using

522
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: this for a long time. Cameo dot com slash granger Smith.

523
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Have you heard about eye Fast yet? I need to

524
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: tell you. It's May ninth and tenth at the EEE Farm.

525
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a truck show, We're gonna have a

526
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: mud bog, lots of good food, lots of people from

527
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: ye Nation will be there, and I'm even gonna do

528
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: some kind of live podcast. Don't know how that's gonna

529
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: look yet, but we're gonna do a live audience podcast,

530
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: answer questions. Gonna have Amber there, most of my team

531
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: and my brothers will all be there. And you know,

532
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: we'll be at the EEE Farm so you get to come.

533
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: It's open to the public completely and you get to

534
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: come and hang out with us at the EEE Farm.

535
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be so much fun. And here's

536
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: the surprise. Saturday night, May the tenth, I'm actually playing

537
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: a concert, my full band, all the crews. It will

538
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: be the only concert we do the entire year. So

539
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to miss this. I mean, this is

540
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Speaker 2: gonna be If you're part of EU Nation or you

541
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Speaker 2: want to be part of EU Nation, you got to

542
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: check this out. You go to ee efest dot com

543
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 2: for all your info. I'm looking at it right now.

544
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: If you're wondering the price for the full weekend, it's

545
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: seventy nine bucks for a ticket. If you just want

546
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Speaker 2: to go to one day, like a single pass on

547
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Speaker 2: Friday is thirty nine bucks, and a single pass on

548
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: Saturday is only fifty nine bucks. So if you want

549
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: to go to this concert, fifty nine bucks, kids are

550
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Speaker 2: cheaper than that. And then there's all kind of like

551
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: vip packages ways to get your truck in there. We

552
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: could sit on your tailgate of your own truck. It's

553
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: going to be a really, really good time. I'm so

554
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: excited about this once again, ye Fest coming May ninth

555
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: and tenth. Go to ee dot com or ee fest

556
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: dot com for more details.

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Speaker 3: Well, and even the even though you can, you know,

558
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Speaker 3: you don't want to make too much hay out of this, probably,

559
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Speaker 3: but the recipients of the New Testament letters are churches,

560
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: and there's a there's a clear distinction between, you know,

561
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Speaker 3: like here's what Christians think, here's what you know, non

562
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Speaker 3: beliefers think.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, man, it's it's fascinating stuff. So you

564
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Speaker 2: you said preaching, I think we got we got that. Okay,

565
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: what else were you going to say?

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Speaker 3: Marsha, there it's been it's been so long. You're asking

567
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: me what what makes an ordinary?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we we The question was if I walk

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Speaker 2: into a church, yeah, what makes it healthy? What makes it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You say ordinary, which is you you defined what you

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Speaker 2: mean by that. What we mean to say is faithful

573
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Speaker 2: in ordinary ministry. But go ahead, what's next?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think I mean again, trying to tie

575
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: it in some respect to the podcast a little bit,

576
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: which is that you know, basically it tells a story

577
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: of how a man came to this church in Dubai,

578
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Speaker 3: and this church in Dubai. I don't know how familiar

579
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: some of you are with Dubai. But Dubai is a

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Speaker 3: very wealthy nation that's full of all sorts of different nationalities.

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Speaker 3: In fact, only ten percent of the population is native

582
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Speaker 3: to the UA. Only ten percent of the population is

583
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Speaker 3: what they call Amoradi. And so there was However, these people,

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Speaker 3: the rulers of this nation want Westerners and other nations

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Speaker 3: to come, and so they give them land to plant

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Speaker 3: to have a church, even though it is a Muslim nation.

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Speaker 3: And so the church that existed in Dubai in the

588
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Speaker 3: early two thousands was very diverse, several hundred people, five

589
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Speaker 3: or six hundred people, about less than one hundred but

590
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Speaker 3: to one hundred nations represented, and and the church was

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00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: really really proud of its diversity. Uh. And it was

592
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Speaker 3: also very very sort of anemic spiritually, that is, it

593
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Speaker 3: wasn't prioritizing the things we've been talking about. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: prioritizing biblical teaching.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And so the podcast as a story of when they

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Speaker 3: basically hired a man named John to come in and

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Speaker 3: to be their new pastor and who began to teach

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Speaker 3: the Bible. And after teaching the Bible, the second main

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Speaker 3: change that he made, which which would be to instill

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Speaker 3: what I often refer to and probably what these guys

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Speaker 3: referred to as meaningful membership. In other words, that that

603
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Speaker 3: what should, what should constitute our relationship to this church

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Speaker 3: is not merely like oh, like we're all you know,

605
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: look how look how it is, how crazy it is

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00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: that we're Westerners in Dubai. But what characterizes the relationship

607
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: between us is that we're all Christians and that we're

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Speaker 3: helping each other follow Jesus, and that the church is

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Speaker 3: going to be a gathering of Christians. And so I think,

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Speaker 3: I think, think what you know. One thing the scriptures

611
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: call churches too, is to to make that line between

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Speaker 3: inside the church that is a committed Christian, committed member,

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Speaker 3: and outside the church that is someone who's not following

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Speaker 3: Jesus or at the very least maybe non member of

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Speaker 3: that church. To make that line some somewhat clear, uh,

616
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Speaker 3: and to make it meaningful. So I'm not saying that

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Speaker 3: everyone who's not a member of your church is not

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Speaker 3: a Christian. I'm just saying that that the normal relationship

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Speaker 3: to a church is one of membership, which which involves

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Speaker 3: both responsibility and accountability.

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Speaker 2: People are commenting right now. They're literally typing right now

622
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Speaker 2: as we speak that membership is not live. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not. Oh my gosh, you know we do that.

624
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: We do that at Amaze. I'm kidding, No, don't. People.

625
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Speaker 2: People are typing right now that membership is not in

626
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: the Bible. Marshall. Okay, well let's go to Marshall and

627
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Speaker 2: then I'll kick it back to you.

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Speaker 1: You're good.

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I was just gonna say

630
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Speaker 4: that's encouraging, because I think a lot of people will

631
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Speaker 4: will say membership the way you guys talk about it,

632
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Speaker 4: that's like an American thing. That's that's not that's something

633
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: we do here. But to hear that it's happening in

634
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Speaker 4: places like Dubai and then Alex, you and I know

635
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: many other places across the world that have churches that

636
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Speaker 4: are doing it. Maybe the process looks a little different,

637
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: but the idea of it's the same. And so it's

638
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Speaker 4: just an encouragement to see, now, these are just brothers

639
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 4: faithfully trying to do what Scripture calls us to do

640
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: and holding each other accountable. And that's not a Westerner thing,

641
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: that's not an American thing. That's not something that we

642
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: developed over the last fifty years that we thought this

643
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: would just be helpful. It's something that we're trying to

644
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Speaker 4: get back to doing what Scripture calls us to do

645
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Speaker 4: as a church.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where would you go when someone says membership is

647
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Speaker 2: not in the Bible?

648
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Speaker 3: Okay? If I only like.

649
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: Marshall, Okay, I want, I want to hear out.

650
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you cut out. You cut out Marshall's answer. No, gosh,

651
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm so rude. I got all these I got all

652
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: these dead people looking down on me behind me, and

653
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: these old pictures.

654
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 4: Alex, you go, you go, and I'll play off you

655
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: you go, all right?

656
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: Forgive me. So I appreciate the question. I'm happy to

657
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: answer it. If I had only sixty seconds and someone

658
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 3: said to me, man, my membership is just the way

659
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: you guys are talking about it is not in the Bible,

660
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: I would say, okay, open your Bible with me to

661
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: First Corinthians chapter five, and I'm only going to point

662
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: to one verse. I'm not even going to give you

663
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 3: any context other than to simply say he's he's writing

664
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: to a church about what they should do about someone

665
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: in their gathering. And Paul writes to them First Corinthians five,

666
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: verse twelve, speaking to them, for what have I to

667
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the

668
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: church whom you are to judge? That one verse. There's

669
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: more we could say about it, but that one verse

670
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: gives us two incredibly important principles that helps us to

671
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: establish that meaningful membership is biblical. Which is which is

672
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: simply this number one. There is such a thing as

673
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: an inside and outside of the church. Now, I think

674
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: I think we already need to tweak our intuitions about

675
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: what that word church means. Church does not mean, though

676
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: we use it colloquially all the time to refer to

677
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: it as as the building. It does not mean the

678
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: leadership structure. It does not mean the various ministries. Church

679
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: biblically is a is a gathering of Christians, so it

680
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: should have flesh and bones on it. That word, so

681
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: it establishes the first principle that there's such a thing

682
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: as the inside of that thing and the outside of

683
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 3: that thing. And then secondly it establishes that our relationship

684
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: to the people on various sides of that line is

685
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: fundamentally different. In other words, we're supposed to judge the

686
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: people on one side of the line and the people

687
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: on the other side of the line. So is what

688
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: is meaningful membership. It's basically acknowledging those two principles. It's

689
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: having a rational, coherent way to have the line in

690
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: the first place, and it's saying, once you, once you're

691
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: on the side of that line, my relationship with you

692
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 3: is going to change now, not in like a freaky

693
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: weird way. It's going to change in that like we

694
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: will have formal responsibility and authority over one another because

695
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 3: we've consented and agreed to it together. You know, there's

696
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: other theological arguments that you could make about about membership,

697
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: but I just simply don't understand how First Corinthians five,

698
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: verse twelve makes any sense in a context where there

699
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 3: is not something as as membership, regardless of the formal

700
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: requirements or the congregational idiosyncrasies that a church will have

701
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: sort of for the process the category. The principle I

702
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: think is as clear as day.

703
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: Marshall, what do you say about And I agree, Alex,

704
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: what do you say? What's another another piece of the

705
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: Bible you could go to?

706
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, if you want to stay with

707
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: Paul's Letters to the Corinthians Second Corinthian, Chapter two, he's

708
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 4: talking about another judgment case, maybe even the same one

709
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: talks about the punishment by the majority is enough. Who's

710
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: counted as the majority. There's an idea of who's recognized

711
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: in that. The one I always go to is Hebrews thirteen.

712
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: Just as a pastor, thirteen seventeen obey your leaders, so

713
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: there's a recognition that you've made them your leaders, your elders,

714
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: your pastors.

715
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: And then it says that they have to give an

716
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: account for your soul.

717
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: So as a pastor, I want to know who I

718
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: have to stand before God one day and he's going

719
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: to say, I put them under your care.

720
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: You're held responsible for them. So there's those.

721
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: And then one that I didn't realize until I started

722
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: preaching through the book was in Paul's letter to Philemen.

723
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 4: It's a very personal letter to Philemen about another brother

724
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 4: in Christ, Onisimus, and their reconciling relationship. But he addresses

725
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: the letter even though it's very personal, he addresses the

726
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: letter to the church. And I think that's in part

727
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 4: because they're supposed to hold these two guys accountable to

728
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: what Paul's encouraging them to. I'd never noticed that Paul

729
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 4: writes to the church in that letter, but I think

730
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: he does it with the purpose because everything he says

731
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 4: in the letter is directed specifically to those two guys.

732
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: So are you going to start see seeing uh your church,

733
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: Georgetown Baptist Church. To all of your correspondence about people

734
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: getting along.

735
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: We already do, we already do No, we do not

736
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: do that. Just for clarity, we do not do that.

737
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: But I think those would be some of them.

738
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's even the metaphor, even the metaphors or scripture

739
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: don't make a ton of sense. I mean, a body

740
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: is a it's a it's a it's it's He's using

741
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: metaphors that sort of highlight the kind of interconnected intimacy

742
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: of the various parts. Uh, he's he's he's using, you know,

743
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: the metaphor of family. He's using the metaphor of building,

744
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: which has this interconnected intimacy. One part can't have one

745
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 3: part without the other. Those don't make it. It doesn't

746
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: make a ton of sense. If if there's not a

747
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: definable I know where my body stop stops and another

748
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 3: person's body is I know where that building like, they're

749
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: just concrete images that don't make sense without some kind

750
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: of structure to support them.

751
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: Would you see in the Bible? Would you think that

752
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: I could on my own, outside of any church, Yeah,

753
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: plant my own church. Would that be biblical? Oh? Would

754
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: that be?

755
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I think I would say you

756
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: can do it. It's probably not wise to do it

757
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: that way, uh, in part because of you know, I'm

758
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: thinking of Acts thirteen and fourteen, where you know, a

759
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: church is gathering to send out Paul and barnabas Uh

760
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: to do the work, which means that the church is

761
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: recognize those two men as equipped to do that work. So,

762
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 3: you know, I think if you're planning to do what

763
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: greater you just described.

764
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm not planning to do.

765
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 3: I know, but it's possible you would end up in

766
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: a church. More likely you would end up in a cult,

767
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: just just the way that goes. Frankly, so many have

768
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: tried to do what you're pointing, and that's why we

769
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: have all sorts of cults in the world.

770
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: That's another podcast for another time, and a fascinating thought.

771
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: Acts six as another time that the first deacons, as

772
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: we think that they come through the church, through the

773
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: decision of the church. If it wasn't defined who the

774
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: church was, how in the world would you appoint deacons?

775
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: Why would you want why would you risk having an outsider?

776
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: Perhaps that just happens to be attending the gathering the

777
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: last few times you've gathered, and now they're the ones

778
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: also in on this decision to appoint deacons, even worse elders.

779
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: That is a that is a scary thought. Okay, so

780
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: you walk into church. The pastor is now preaching, and

781
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: we have an idea of what it would look like

782
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: to be preaching that making the point of the sermon,

783
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: the point of the text. Yeah, and then we also

784
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: see that there is a difference between us as the newcomer.

785
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: This is not in a bad way, but as a newcomer.

786
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: There we're looking into a family. We're outside the family,

787
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: and we look into the family and we see that

788
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: they they operate as a unit. They love each other,

789
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: they're encouraging one and another, they're holding each other accountable.

790
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: And so now we're we're where where do we go now?

791
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: In in our outside view of this church?

792
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, I love the extended metaphor that you're asking

793
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: us to do with this. Uh, it's it's it's stretching

794
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: my brain. I think you would just you would probably

795
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: try to listen to like, okay, like the music. Are

796
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: they are they basically just doing are they? I mean again,

797
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: here we are. I'm gonna use a fancy phrase. It's

798
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: it's it's what sometimes Christians have called regulative principle. In

799
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: other words, are they are they doing the things in

800
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: the gathering that the that the Bible uh prescribes? Or

801
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: are they doing the things in the Bible that the

802
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: Bible prescribes and other stuff that they also want to do?

803
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: So for example, I one time went to a church

804
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: in Manhattan, Uh, I will I will keep the guilty

805
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: anonymous that had a comedy set in the middle of

806
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: the gathering right before the sermon because one of the

807
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: members is I guess a working comedian and wanted to

808
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: bless the church. You know, So I would say, you know,

809
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: well intended, but maybe ill advised. Uh. In other words,

810
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: I want, I want to worship the Lord. You know,

811
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: if we're if we're gonna, if we're gonna constrain the

812
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: consciences of Christians to come to church, which we should.

813
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 3: Christians should come to church generally speaking, so we when

814
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: they get there, we should only ask of them to

815
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: do what the Bible asks of them to do, which

816
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: is to hear the word, sing to one another, right

817
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: to one another, give attention to the public reading of scripture,

818
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: and to take the supper and do baptism, uh when

819
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: it's appropriate. So I think, I think if a church

820
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 3: is really excited about those things, you're on pretty you're

821
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: on pretty level footing, pretty steady footing. Uh. If the

822
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: church is really excited about what makes them unique relative

823
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: to two thousand years of church history, I might get

824
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: a little nervous because what this is not me, but

825
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: it's it's you know, a guy we all respect. Mark

826
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: has said before, what what's most important about a church

827
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: is actually what it shares in common with every true

828
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: church that's come before it.

829
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: Wow.

830
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: And so so if if if this church is constantly

831
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: talking about what makes it it, or its mission or

832
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: it's accomplishing of a certain mission unique, I'm just gonna

833
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: get a little nervous because because that man, that stuff

834
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: just burns out, It just burns out. I want, I

835
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: want ordinary, steady ministry that's just going to try to

836
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: pour in the concrete we after week Sunday after Sunday.

837
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Uh, there's your definition that now you've now you've given

838
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: us a definition ordinary it is.

839
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: That's hard to suss out. It is. It's it's hard

840
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: to suss out.

841
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: And we have to have to say this all the time.

842
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: We're not talking about small is better. We're not talking

843
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: we're not talking about big as bad.

844
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 3: I mean, the church in dubaias six hundred people. It's

845
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: not small, it's but it's it's very big by the

846
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: standard size of churches. You know. I think the problem

847
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: is when you as the church gets bigger, if it's

848
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: not committed to the principles we've described, it's almost impossible

849
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: to it's it's impossible to get that like you know,

850
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: that thing back in the bottle. It's really really hard.

851
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: Is there anything we're missing walking to a church? If

852
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: you if you could sign up, if there's a sign

853
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: up list for baptism that day, it's probably probably.

854
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 3: Are you really going to ask me to speak on this?

855
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: Probably probably to me when you know I'm not gonna

856
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to put your feet at the fire

857
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: on that. But but I would say that's kind of

858
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: a that's kind of practical, Like, that's just we could

859
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: kind of think that with what we've established so far

860
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: in this podcast.

861
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: I mean, if you a Baptis, yeah, you could do

862
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: it as long as you brought them into membership and

863
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: we're willing to keep those people, uh, you know, to

864
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: forge for another words, for that moment to be forging

865
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: a meaningful relationship with that person and not a meaningful

866
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: moment with that person. Uh, that's great, that's what.

867
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: That's great. What would take that right there and put

868
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: it onto my Instagram? That's good? What do we, Marshall

869
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: and I have done?

870
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: Me fruch of the spirit, truch of the spirit, godliness, kindness.

871
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: I think I think sometimes we can get really excited

872
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: when I first became, you know, persuaded by some of

873
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: these things, like like I began, you can almost think

874
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: like the point of of of the Christian life is

875
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: to grow in theological knowledge. And I think I think

876
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: it's it's the Pharisees who would say that who was

877
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: who was who was most interested in accruing biblical in

878
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: their minds scriptural data sounds like a pharisee a Christian

879
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 3: is most is most interested in growing in the fruits

880
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: of the spirit. Now, I believe that we grow in

881
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: the fruits of the spirit by it through our attention

882
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: to God's word, so that, in other words, the relationship

883
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: is inter it's it's interconnected. As we learn more of

884
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: the God's Word with the appropriate you know, posture, we

885
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: grow in the fruits of the spirit. And so I think,

886
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: I think, I really really don't want a church that's

887
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: constantly trying to differentiate itself, like in like proud ways

888
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: from other churches, you know, like where you got these

889
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: people doing that, these people that well we're doing this

890
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: like that. That strikes me a pride. I don't I

891
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: really want to do that. I'm just rambling, I think.

892
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: So my my hope is that I don't have to

893
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: answer the direct question, Hey, Granger, can you help me

894
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: find a good church in my area. I'm happy to

895
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: do that. Marshall is happy to do that. But what

896
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: I would rather do is have the listener develop an

897
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: idea so that they could look for themselves, and they

898
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: could go around town and they could pop in a

899
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: church and they could go, Okay, what are what are

900
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: some practical fundamental biblical principles I should be looking for

901
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: in this church, and they could see something, and they

902
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: could they could be encouraged by something that would make

903
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: our job a lot easier instead of going to you know,

904
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: looking at their town and looking at Des Moines, Iowa

905
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: and doing a church search in the in the radius.

906
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I wrote a little church questions book that

907
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 3: I was looking for a copy of but I can't

908
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 3: find it, called What Should I Look for in a Church?

909
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: I've given that out a bunch. It's a great little thing.

910
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: You can get that on Amazon, by the way.

911
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I had three answers to it. I

912
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: can only remember too, but I'll summarize them here. It's

913
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 3: number one, look for a church that knows you're gonna die.

914
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: In other words, look for a church who understands that

915
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: the most important fact about you is that you're a

916
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: human being created in the image of God and whose

917
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 3: sin has broken that relationship with that God. And as

918
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 3: a result of that broken relationship, you were going to die.

919
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: And you need to do something about that before you die,

920
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: which is to put your faith and trust in the

921
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 3: risen Lord Jesus. Now, I'm not saying you should look

922
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: for a church that only cares about that stuff, but

923
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: they should care about that most of all. And you

924
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 3: will be able to tell that from the way they preach,

925
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: from the mission, from what they give their money to,

926
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: from the things they celebrate from the stage. That is

927
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: how like that is the most fundamental thing. The second

928
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 3: thing I remember, I think there were three, I remember

929
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: two is that look for a church that where the

930
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: Bible is not only for super serious super Christians. So

931
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: what I've noticed, s Granger, over time is I have

932
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: lots of friends who still attend the megachurch that I've

933
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: grown up in, and it has I think it has

934
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 3: departed more more over the years for making the Bible

935
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: the center of their gathering. But what I've noticed in

936
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: these situations, especially among my friends there, who are who

937
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: are themselves very mature, they're godly, they're mature, they're wise,

938
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: is that they have found ancillary or extra ministries in

939
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: that church where they get their Bible intake. So it's

940
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: it could be like you said, a Sunday morning Bible

941
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 3: Study or Sunday afternoon Bible Study or whatever, a small group.

942
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 3: It could be a Bible study, fellowship class, it could

943
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: be a Tuesday night men's group. And what happens is

944
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: that the sometimes not all the time, because God is merciful,

945
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: But what happens often in situations like that is that

946
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: when the Bible sort of loses its pride of place

947
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: in a main gathering, the serious Christians aren't going to

948
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: leave often, but they'll just find their biblical edification in

949
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: other places. And it kind of implicitly silently communicates well,

950
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: biblical like, really being serious about the Bible is kind

951
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 3: of just for people who want that added on to

952
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: the experience. We're giving them on Sunday more warning. And man,

953
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: that sets a church out for some really dangerous situations.

954
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: And you know, if we're going to pull back the

955
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: camera for thirty forty fifty years, it's just really really

956
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: not a healthy place to be.

957
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's that must just be a Louisville thing, because

958
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: we don't have that problem in Texas.

959
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 3: Brother, Brother, I got two interns from Texas and I'm

960
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: exercising texts and ghosts from them all the time. It

961
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: is universal, not every church, not every church over you know,

962
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: a thousand people is you know, is is really bad?

963
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: You should probably be careful about saying that.

964
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: So no, it's it's universal. There you know a man,

965
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: the producer, he has plenty of stories sitting here, Marshall

966
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: has plenty of stories, and all of us have friends

967
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: in these situations. And and people listening, I would say

968
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: the high percentage of people that are that gather with

969
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: a local church. I think say, our small group is

970
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: where we get our Bible, our small group is where

971
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: we learn. A small group is where we disciple. And

972
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: I just want to Yeah, there's an interesting people. No,

973
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: there's an interesting interesting thing you said in the podcast,

974
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: or that the in the story of the guy who's

975
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: nobody from his small group showed up to his funeral.

976
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: You remember that, Yeah, a little tea. Yeah, there's an

977
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: intimacy that's actually lost in the small group that you

978
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: get from the gathering. I hadn't really even thought that

979
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: there would be less intimacy until I heard it in

980
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: your podcast.

981
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and I just want to say to the listeners,

982
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: who cares what Alex says? I mean, who cares what

983
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: Granger says?

984
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

985
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 3: That's true, definitely, who cares what Marshall says? Uh? And

986
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: And I'm like test the scriptures, brothers and sisters, ye, like, like,

987
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 3: see what the scriptures say? Are we are we fairly

988
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: representing them? Or are we not? Like that's the most

989
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: important thing. And and I think we we can stand

990
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: on scripture, and perhaps you can too, But the conversation

991
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: should not be about feelings or vibes or opinions per se.

992
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: But what what do the what do the scriptures say?

993
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: What does the Lord himself hold out as normal for

994
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: the Christian life?

995
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 2: That's so good, man, I think that's I think that's

996
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: a pretty good picture. And I appreciate your time to

997
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: be on here. I know you're you're a busy guy

998
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: on YouTube, Marshall, but I think that's a pretty good

999
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: picture that we could probably actually even continue another time,

1000
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: if you'd be willing to build especially, we could we

1001
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: could take this look at some of the comments on

1002
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: it and see if we if we had any blind

1003
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: spots so that someone could literally go to their local

1004
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: church down the road on this coming Sunday and walk

1005
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: in there with with a few things in their mind

1006
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: to be thinking through. And it's certainly not what feels

1007
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: good and what sounds good and what you know, what

1008
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: makes what? What uplifts me in a in a in

1009
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: a kind of a central type way. But I think

1010
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: this has given some tools and I then I want

1011
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: to say one more thing. Yeah, this book here, this

1012
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: is a pretty awesome book called From Eden to Egypt.

1013
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: I have a copy. I'm one of the first problems.

1014
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm one of the first. But this man, can

1015
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: you tell me when this podcast will release? Do you know?

1016
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Off the top of your head? So I think we're

1017
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: pretty close to April fifteenth. This book is out. If

1018
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: it's before April fifteenth, I just checked and I just

1019
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: pre ordered it. You can get it on Amazon. But

1020
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: this is a guided tour of Genesis. Yeah, and you

1021
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: this is.

1022
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: Fuzy, something completely different.

1023
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: Let's go the everyday Christian, right, this is kind of

1024
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: this is what you're looking for. Yeah. Have you ever

1025
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: picked up a book that's supposed to help you understand

1026
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: the Bible but actually left you confused and even a

1027
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: little bit bored. It's okay, you could be honest, he says,

1028
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 2: if so, From Eden to Egypt is here to help.

1029
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: Genesis is a weird and beautiful masterpiece that raises all

1030
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: sorts of questions. Why are there so many genealogies? Why

1031
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: do heroes act like villains? Why do people keep sleeping

1032
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: with their relatives? Who are the Nephelim? And why do

1033
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Abraham and random guy haggle about a price of a

1034
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: RinkyDink cave for a whole chapter? This is This is

1035
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: a beautiful book. And I got this from Marshall. Marshall

1036
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: sent this to me from you and I was able

1037
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: to take a look at it in the PDF form

1038
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: before it was even a book. And man, what a

1039
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: cool thing for a Christian listening. Not not We're not

1040
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: talking about pastors or Bible teachers. We're just talking about

1041
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: a guy or a girl that's interested in reading their

1042
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: Bible and they're reading through Genesis and they kind of

1043
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: use this and and read along with it, and it's

1044
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 2: spoken with everyday language. In fact, in chapter one, the

1045
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: quote the quote on chapter one says you complete being

1046
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: Jerry McGuire, Yeah, actually says Jerry comment Jerry McGuire, Yeah.

1047
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: Thought I thought the editors were gonna you know, part

1048
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: of me. I had like that. The other night. I

1049
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: couldn't sleep and I was thinking to myself, did I

1050
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 3: quote too many movies that are going to like cause

1051
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 3: people to stumble?

1052
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: Chapter two, Snakes? Why does it have to be snakes?

1053
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones Raiders are all start. I think it's awesome. Man,

1054
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, it's it's it's helpful, and there's I mean,

1055
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: the movie quotes are to supplement, not to not to

1056
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: make you stumble by any by any means. But I was,

1057
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: I was helped by this, and I probably shouldn't say

1058
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: what I'm about to say, but I'm about to say it.

1059
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: Now you're working on Exodus. Oh bro, never mind, I

1060
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: mean I was just saying.

1061
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 3: I didn't say that I'm supposed to be. If you're

1062
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: listening to this Zondervan, I'm sorry.

1063
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really cool. So Alex Duke from Eating to Egypt

1064
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: and then Storms in the Desert podcast. These are shorter

1065
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: episodes codes twenty to thirty five minutes each. There's five

1066
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: of them, and they're actually really entertaining. So if you're

1067
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: on a road trip with your family or maybe commuting

1068
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: to work. Everyone has some kind of commute to work.

1069
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 2: Pop this in. Don't listen to it on one point

1070
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: seventy five. Ant Man makes fun of me for doing that.

1071
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: Listen to it in one speed that would be much better.

1072
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: But listen to Storms in the Desert and then if

1073
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: that raises up questions, great, I think that that would

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Speaker 2: be amazing if it if it brought out some questions,

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Speaker 2: and then I guess you could go to Bible Talk,

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Speaker 2: your other podcast. You can go to Bible Talk and

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Speaker 2: fill in some of the blanks, right, you could.

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Speaker 1: Do all that.

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Speaker 3: Most importantly, I'd love for you to do all that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the Lord is so kind to me.

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Speaker 3: I would love for most of the people to listen

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Speaker 3: to this, find a church that loves you, who's gonna

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Speaker 3: lock arms with you until you get to glory, because

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Speaker 3: that's what we all need. I mean, if my book

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Speaker 3: is helpful, praise God. If Storm in the Desert is encouraging,

1086
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: praise God, get to work. If Bible Talk a podcast

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Speaker 3: I do, is helpful, praise the Lord I am. I

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Speaker 3: am blessed beyond you know, beyond belief. To get to

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Speaker 3: do these things is you know, part of my life,

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Speaker 3: the way I provide for my family. Uh So, I

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Speaker 3: would be so honored if anybody, even one person picked

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Speaker 3: it up, it be it'd be you know, it would

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Speaker 3: make me thankful. But man, the main stuff we've been

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Speaker 3: talking about so much more important than than little little

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Speaker 3: additions I've made.

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Speaker 2: The additions you've made I'll back you up for a second.

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Speaker 2: The additions you've made all point towards getting people into

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Speaker 2: that local church so that they can grow in their

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Speaker 2: knowledge of the Lord together. And I hope so if

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Speaker 2: it's very clear that these aren't like side projects that

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Speaker 2: don't intersect or don't run parallel. They all of these

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Speaker 2: things revolve around this, this same idea. And so yes,

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Speaker 2: if anyone gets anything away from this podcast, we want

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Speaker 2: them to be in a church that that they can

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Speaker 2: gather with and that loves them and they grow together

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Speaker 2: in the Lord. But what we've talking about for the

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Speaker 2: last hour is how to identify what church does that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: That's the deal. You're right, bro, Thank you, man, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the thank you for the invitation. It's

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Speaker 3: it's truly an honor to get to to spend time

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Speaker 3: with you. I'd be happy to do it any other time.

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Speaker 3: It's good Marshall. I can't really see you, but you're

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Speaker 3: just a floating head over there. You look you look lovely.

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Speaker 3: Thanks and thanks for thanks for thanks for participating. And man,

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Speaker 3: I don't even see you at all.

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Speaker 2: He's working hard back here.

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Speaker 3: With a name like that, you gotta be you got

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Speaker 3: to be, you know, maybe a small guy who packs

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Speaker 3: a big punch.

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Speaker 2: So a man, and man does not go to our

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Speaker 2: church in Mayis, but he is a He is a

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Speaker 2: member of a like minded church on the other side

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Speaker 2: of town about forty five minutes from us.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful. Yeah, well that's so good, guys. Keep up the

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Speaker 3: good work. Granger You're a blessing man. Man.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel about you.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate all of you guys. You could help me

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Speaker 2: out by rating this podcast on iTunes. If you're on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: subscribe to this channel, hit that little like button and

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Speaker 2: notification spell so that you never miss anytime I upload

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Speaker 2: a video.

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Speaker 3: Yigi