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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, happy birthday to my day friend Day,

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Speaker 1: tiff Day.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, like the next time we say my birthday will

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Speaker 2: actually be closer. What No, Oh, that's right, that's true.

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Speaker 2: It'll be passed, but only by two days.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, my mouth, I cannot be that incorrect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you. Either way, I'm gonna be turning

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Speaker 2: none of your business. Like no, I'll be turning thirty eight,

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Speaker 2: which all was so crazy coming out of my mouth.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I still fill twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Thirty eight sounds great?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because I mean I'm excited because Superman was like,

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Speaker 2: you're not allowed to do any work. He told me

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Speaker 2: weeks in advance, where months and advance, like take that

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Speaker 2: whole weekend off. And he's been like like leaving the

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Speaker 2: house on secret John with like his sister and his

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Speaker 2: best friend, and like asking me all these cryptic questions

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Speaker 2: about like what shoe sides do I wear? I'm like, lord,

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Speaker 2: what does he doing?

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Speaker 1: Shoe size? I don't know, Oh, roller skating, let's have it.

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Speaker 1: Let's guess roller skating. I hope it's not bowling.

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Speaker 2: Right, or just like what size in general? What size

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Speaker 2: do you wear in this? What size do you we're

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Speaker 2: in that Do you like ear rings?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Oh, maybe he's gonna pretty woman you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, honestly, I have a strong suspicion,

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Speaker 2: which I'm slightly nervous about because we have different tastes.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say you've heard a little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Superman would have me in like door knockers and like,

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Speaker 2: you know, cross colors if it was up to him.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just like, yeah, let's not go to crazy

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Speaker 2: with with the outfit or whatever it is. But I

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Speaker 2: did tell him that I but he asked me kind

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Speaker 2: of like what did I want? And I said, honestly,

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Speaker 2: a house. And then I'm like, now that's happening. So

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Speaker 2: now I told him honestly, I just want to spend

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Speaker 2: like a nice day with him, just enjoying. Nothing too crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not, you know. He was like, do you like,

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Speaker 2: would you want to go to a club of Minah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'd have to really be in a mood.

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Speaker 2: It's possible, but I doubt it. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: In my experience, going to the club with your esso

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Speaker 1: is not that much fun. Yeah, with your husband? I

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Speaker 1: mean I love my husband, but I don't. I'd much

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Speaker 1: rather be on a couch watching Netflix than like, yes,

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Speaker 1: spending fifteen dollars in a cocktail with him, like with

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Speaker 1: other people. It's whatever, but you know it's just kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that too, So I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: no likely no club, no club for you.

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Speaker 1: But like my mom says, whatever they do, just tell

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Speaker 1: them you love it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have. This is amazing. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 2: my voice right. Oh my god, no, that's too high.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, that's good, that's my normalt. No,

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Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's going to be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Bless them well, happy early birthday. I will be I

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Speaker 1: will toast you you from the resort in the Dominican Republic,

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Speaker 1: where I will be beginning tomorrow. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how long are you guys going to be there?

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Speaker 1: Just just for a wedding. So we're going to be

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Speaker 1: there Wednesday through Sunday, so nice, four days. Four days

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Speaker 1: is yeah. It's one perk of marrying a Dominican, I guess,

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: Really? Actually, they got really lucky, as far as I

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Speaker 1: But joke's on me because he's actually his family's actually

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Speaker 1: from the Santiago, the city of Santiago, which is like

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Speaker 2: So you're thinking, you're like we with sudden surf, and

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Speaker 1: More like, you know, come visit my uncle, and here's

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Speaker 2: I know, I was in the world so many things.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what should we what should we dig through? First?

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Speaker 1: We must we have to talk about this whole Harvey

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Speaker 2: Everybody, And I'm like, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what I mean, you know, well for

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Speaker 2: just to set the stage, he is he is a producer.

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Speaker 1: Manby he's like the producer. I mean, I don't even

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Speaker 1: But he co founded Miramax, which is was ginormous, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that lots of us have watched and heard of, like Goodwill,

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Speaker 1: Hunting and Shakespeare in Love, like all these films that

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Speaker 1: he was. You know, thank you, Hobby Doling like that

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Speaker 1: But meanwhile, while he was helping people launch their careers,

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Speaker 2: And like basically imposing his the power struggle basically like

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Speaker 1: Yeah? He was literally producing the movie that she was

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Speaker 2: Yep, And so she was so nervous. So she turned

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Speaker 2: I read this article. She told her mom and her

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Speaker 2: she went on to obviously do the movie and do well,

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Speaker 1: Like, what, you know, That's what really grosses me out

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Speaker 1: about the story because so first there was a New

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Speaker 1: Like it's constantly him asking for a massage, or watch

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And now we're at.

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Speaker 1: A point where you know, he's been out. First he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you're like, cause, what does this mean?

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Speaker 2: Because obviously he clearly targeted people who were you know,

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Speaker 2: am I supposed to tell? But then if you tell,

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Speaker 2: That's why so many people didn't want to come forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and lean like there's been a lot of I

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, after a story like this comes out,

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Speaker 1: typically you hear from females in the industry, like we did.

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Speaker 1: We heard from like Lena Dunnam and others, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were like, where are the men at?

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Speaker 1: Where are the men at condemning this behavior? And I

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Speaker 1: think I just today saw a headline from Matt Damon.

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Speaker 2: And Ben Affleck too.

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Speaker 1: Oh Ben Affleck too, who came out and spoke out

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Speaker 1: because their movie Goodwill Hunting and you know was produced

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Speaker 2: I will break where it'll be like I'm exhausted and

433
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: I've tried and I'm tired, and then I will be like,

434
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 2: not today, you know, and I finally signed up for

435
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: myself and they're like and I find that sometimes, like

436
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: I remember when I used to teach preschool, I had

437
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: this woman who was so mean to me, and I

438
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: was twenty two and she was like forty something and

439
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: she just made it so difficult to be a good teacher,

440
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 2: and she finally I snapped, and I said, enough, you're

441
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 2: not gonna talk to me this way. You're not gonna

442
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: treat me this way. It was even it was another

443
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 2: layer that she was older, and like I just grew

444
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: up like in a culture where you really don't talk

445
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: back to older people, like there's a level of respect

446
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: that you must display, And so finally I snapped and

447
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: that was all she needed. She basically was like, girl,

448
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 2: was waiting for you to stick up for yourself, and

449
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, so abuse for a year, But yeah,

450
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: it's not easy to stand up for yourself. But for

451
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 2: some people, they have an easier time, but for me,

452
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 2: it's certainly not easy. But I'm definitely gotten better at

453
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 2: it where I don't let it linger as long as

454
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: I used to, or I recognize it further away, where

455
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: if I see someone has that tendency I did, I'm like, okay,

456
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna allow them into my space. So

457
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: I try to like nip it off by the bud

458
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: because I, like I said, I don't I hate conflict.

459
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: I don't like people being upset with me, and so

460
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: it's not really my nature to like if me and

461
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: Superman are like in a you know, like we're having

462
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: an argument or whatever, I'm the silent one, like, you know,

463
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 2: like he's like, well, let's talk about it, and I'm like,

464
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, conflict. I will just pretend like it

465
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: ever happened. Okay, It's like.

466
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: That's that's not how that sounds healthy.

467
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: But he's so good. I'm like, where should I how

468
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: to communicate like this? He such a good communicator, Like

469
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: so yesterday, you know, I can tell you're mad, So

470
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: what happened? And I'm like, who are you? He's like,

471
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: doctor Phil And meanwhile I'm like, no, I'm saying I'm fine.

472
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: He's like really, cause you haven't spoken to me in

473
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. I'm like, have I been silent? Let's

474
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: just say so. Yeah, no, it's yeah. So that's why

475
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 2: I feel for these women because I can't imagine, you know,

476
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: because I've thankfully only been in a situation like once

477
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: where I was like, oh my god, I remember I

478
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: met this guy at the mall. He was cute, and

479
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 2: I gave him my number and we were like, I

480
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: was gonna hang out, and I made a mistake of

481
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: like I was young. I had to be like eighteen

482
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: or something, and he said, oh, he picked me up.

483
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I've got to go to the

484
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: house to get my wallet. I forgot it, so, being dumb,

485
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: I said sure, so went to his apartment to get

486
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: his quote unquote wallet. And I knew it was gonna

487
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: be some trouble when he locked the door, not like

488
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: locked it like you can't get out, but like, what

489
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: do you need to lock the door for? If you

490
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 2: get me your wallet? I remember thinking like, oh, snap.

491
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: And I remember being like, oh hey, he's like sit down,

492
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: make itself comfortable. It was it was a studio. There

493
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: was no place to sit but the bed, so I

494
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: sat like at the edge of the bed and he

495
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: came out of the room like he went to the bathrooms,

496
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 2: like I just got to go the bathroom, Mandy. He

497
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: came out naked, and I was like, oh, you were hurried, yes,

498
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking to myself, honestly, I remember thinking

499
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: to myself, I've never been raped before. I'm gonna be

500
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: raped today. Like I remember, I was literally like bracing

501
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: myself for it's gonna happen to me, Like okay, you

502
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: have to brace yourself and he got on like the

503
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: bed behind me, like so he's laying and I'm literally

504
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I could not have set more on the

505
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 2: edge of the bed, and I don't know what he

506
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: was doing behind me. The TV was on and we

507
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: sat like that for like an hour. He said nothing.

508
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: I said nothing, and I was just like, what is happening,

509
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what he was waiting for, don't

510
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, And so nothing happened. I literally sat

511
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: at the edge and he was behind me. I don't

512
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 2: know if he was touching himself. I don't know. And

513
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: then finally he was like, oh, right's gonna be ready

514
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: to go, And I said, yup, because I was afraid

515
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: to run to the door because I didn't know if

516
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: if something in me and now I look back on it,

517
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: some people like to chase, and so something in me

518
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: said don't move. You know that, like if I would

519
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: have ran to the door and tried to unlock the

520
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: lock and get the key, that he would have like

521
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: attacked me. And so me not saying anything and not moving,

522
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, he was bored with this is

523
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: not the gay. I can't wrestle her to the ground.

524
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: She's not moving, she's not crying, she's not anything. I

525
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: just didn't say anything. And so we last and I remember,

526
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: you know, him saying that, oh, I'll dropped you off,

527
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: and I had him like my drop me off like

528
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: four blocks away from like where I live, Like okay,

529
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: this is my house. Okay by what And it was

530
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: a time of Beeber's and then he like paid me,

531
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: was like hey, let's see you again. Of course I

532
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: ignored it. Then he started going ballistic paging and calling

533
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: and calling. It was crazy, like I know you live,

534
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: I can come to your house at any time. I'm like, yeah,

535
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: go to that house if you want to. I don't live.

536
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: But I remember thinking to myself, yo, first and last

537
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: of putting myself in a position like that because of

538
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: like me being like dumb, So yeah.

539
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Well you dumb, you know, be nice. You were young.

540
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to blame yourself at the

541
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's the creep, that's true, But.

542
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: I just mean like putting as a woman, like I

543
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: had to like really recognize that, like I have to

544
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: be on guard because I grew up pretty sheltered. I

545
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: never had to really be on guard before. And it honestly,

546
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: wasn't the first time, like it was. I recognized that

547
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: that in college. I learned that if you agree to

548
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: go to a guy's room, then it was like you

549
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: were sending a silent message to many men that like

550
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: oh I'm down for with the get down. And it

551
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: took me a while, like like I can remember going

552
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: on guy's room thinking we're gonna study and like he's like, oh,

553
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: thinking like we're going to make out, and I'm like no,

554
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: And he wasn't like particularly mad, but he was surprised, like, well,

555
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: why'd you come? And I'm like, what is that the thing? Like,

556
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: So if I come to your room, that means that

557
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm agreeing to at the very least make out. And

558
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: so I just stopped going to anyone's woman. I remember

559
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: asking my male friends and they were like, well kind of,

560
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, now i'm older, I'm like, that's rape culture.

561
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: If I agree, you know, if I be to study,

562
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: it's your room, I'm not agreeing to make out with you.

563
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's And I remember just telling my sister

564
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: when she went away to school, like you know, after me,

565
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: like just kind of giving her like the rundown of

566
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: like you know, just being very mindful of her surroundings

567
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: of like not going to anyone's room because for whatever reason,

568
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: studying in a room means, hey, you're likely to get

569
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: some sex from me. So yeah, yeah, whocha. I just

570
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: I like, I just remember thinking. I can't even remember,

571
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: like just thinking back, like I really was like, you're

572
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: gonna be raped today, that's it's happening. Oh, I'm so

573
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: glad what I said. Nightmares for like weeks. Of course,

574
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: I didn't want to tell my parents because I was like,

575
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: they're gonna be like, you're never allowed I was never

576
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: allowed out anyway, you know. So I was like they're like,

577
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: you're never gonna be allowed out. So I didn't tell anyone.

578
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: I just was like and then, you know, I remember

579
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 2: now I saw him a couple of years later, like downtown,

580
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: and like he cursed me out. I think it was

581
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: just crazy now that I look back at it, and

582
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: he was like, oh I remember you, you stupid this

583
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: and that I was just like yeo, okay, And I

584
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: just remember him like walking down the street yelling behind

585
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: me and like other men looking and I'm never thinking

586
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: to myself, wow, so you're not gonna say anything to him.

587
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: You know, I just yeah, sometimes people can be the

588
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: absolute worst. I see why people are afraid when they

589
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: have daughters because not gonna say that men can't go

590
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: through it. But I feel like women are so vulnerable physically,

591
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: you know.

592
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been so lucky, Like I acknowledge

593
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: how lucky I am. All the travel I've done, all

594
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: the like close calls I've had, I've haven't any issues.

595
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: But you know what, I don't feel like that's made

596
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: me like a I don't think I'm going to be

597
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: a relaxed parent because I was so lucky. I think

598
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be even more strict. I'm gonna be like

599
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: I was lucky. You're going to be like I use

600
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: up all the luck.

601
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Because they say, isn't it one of four

602
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: women or one of three women are sexually like assaulted

603
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: or raped?

604
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: That sounds right? I don't. I don't know what the

605
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: statistic is, but it's a lot of it's a lot

606
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: of women. But thank you for sharing that story.

607
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: No, you're welcome. I mean, you know, I think everybody

608
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: has to be on there, like on their guard I mean, thankfully,

609
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, I've got a good boot now, and honestly,

610
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for anybody who wants to step to

611
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: the left or right because Superman does a lot of things,

612
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: but play is not one of them. Like there's times

613
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: I have to be careful because I'm like if I'm complaining,

614
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: like oh, such as such, client, He's like, who where

615
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: do they live? I was like, no, that's not what

616
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: we do. He's like, no, no do they Where did

617
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: they live? It feels so weird because I just I

618
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: grew up like just taking care of myself, so like

619
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: it's weird to have like it's someone And honestly, some

620
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: of the guys I did weren't exactly the most like protective,

621
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: and so they have someone so overly protective. I'm like, no,

622
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: you can't. Are you gonna are you gonna beat them up? No? No, no,

623
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: just just talk. I'm like, you're you're sixty six. I

624
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: don't think talking is what they're gonna see where they see? No,

625
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: And he's not much of a talker. So but it

626
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: feels nice to know, like, ah, you don't want none

627
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: of this, even though I'm not gonna let him, just

628
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: so you know.

629
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm at least I'm glad to see that they

630
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: at least actually fired him. It's a damn shame and

631
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: how and like a third of the board apparently left.

632
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: There's no way they didn't know this. I mean, he

633
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: was settling all these lawsuits all these years. But I mean, Harvey,

634
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: don't worry. You'll probably be our next president. Now it's

635
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: you'll you'll, you'll be fine. It's just really sad. But uh,

636
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: it's and you know, you want to give the advice

637
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: to young women if this happens to you in a

638
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: work area, in a workspace, you know, you know, take

639
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: the complaint to your human resource department, to a superior

640
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just really it really and I know

641
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much time on the topic,

642
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: but it really pisses me off because that is so inadequate,

643
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Speaker 1: that advice, Because you know, I've interviewed We did a

644
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: story last year on a young woman who did this exactly,

645
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: went to HR several times and was retaliated against by

646
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: her employer because she went to HR, was demoted, was

647
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: given was given less work, you know. And although she

648
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: ended up doing the same thing a lot of these

649
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: women do, settling a lawsuit out of court with her superior.

650
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: She in order to keep her job, would have had

651
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: to continue working with this creep. They didn't fire him.

652
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: He was still working there, and so in the end

653
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: she still was the one punished. She had to leave.

654
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: She was a single mother, leave her job and go

655
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: find something else. And it's just not a perfect there's

656
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: just no like perfect la la la like happy ending

657
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: to this. I think it's so much the onus is

658
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: on the companies themselves to take action and get rid

659
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: of people who at the top, who are taking advantage

660
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: of their power at the position and power. And I mean,

661
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: I can't say it again, like we need more women

662
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: in places of power.

663
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: Please, for sure. That's the only way, it's the only.

664
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Way I think it'll it'll stop. And a lot of women,

665
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: not just one, because I think one woman at a

666
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: board table with a bunch of men is not any better.

667
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: We need more and more and more.

668
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: More more. Are we going to talk about, uh.

669
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: Dove, Dov, we can talk? Is this the Danielle Brooks controversy?

670
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: It's no, no, the commercial? Is that what you're talking about?

671
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Well, daniel books, Yeah, yeah, Well I think I learned

672
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: about it because Danielle Brooks from Orange is the New Black.

673
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: She wrote a column on Lenny Letter about the Dove commercial.

674
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: So I came in it from the back door.

675
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: But okay, because now I just thought, because I'm in

676
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: this this like branding group called like build It branded

677
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: launch It with Arsha Jones, it's my arcials last thing.

678
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: But anyway, someone posts there. People are always posting kind

679
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: of like case studies and like just asking what are

680
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: your thoughts and we try, which I love. What's I

681
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: love about the group is that you try to fix

682
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: other brands kind of like issues in an effort to

683
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: better understand marketing and stuff. So it's a great, like

684
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like great group. It's mostly women

685
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: and brown women. Now, so yeah, someone posted the still

686
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: shot and I said, what in the heck? This can't

687
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: be real. This can't be real. And then, you know,

688
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: so people were kind of like going in and talking about, like,

689
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: you know, why this is not good, what stuff can do.

690
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: But then I went to go watch the video, the

691
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: actual commercial, and I know this is not super popular

692
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: and I was not gonna post it on my Facebook

693
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: because I don't want people to come for me. But

694
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: the commercial wasn't that bad.

695
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: I know, commercial because I actually haven't. I've only seen screenshots,

696
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I haven't actually watched it.

697
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so the commercial, the purpose of this lotion or

698
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: whatever soap is supposed to show that it can fit

699
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: different skin types. So it's this cute brown girl with

700
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: the bun. She takes off her brown shirt, and as

701
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: she's taken off, she becomes this redhead, this cute redhead

702
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: with like a long ponytail. And then the redhead takes

703
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: off her shirt and she becomes this middle Eastern maybe Hispanic,

704
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: kind of like looking beautiful woman, like long black hair,

705
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: and as that woman takes it off, it's an older

706
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: woman who's really pretty. So it goes from like different

707
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: race and age and of like, hey, this soap can

708
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: help everyone. And so when I saw the commercial in

709
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: its entirety, I was like, oh, although what I thought

710
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: was strange was why did Dove have this screenshot like

711
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: from what I look like? The woman in the group

712
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: who shared it shared it from Dove's page. I'm like,

713
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: this is the most unflattering screenshot because all you're showing

714
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: is a woman black woman slowly unpeeling and becoming a

715
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: white woman. Like I don't know how any.

716
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Of the people probably just saw the screenshot and made

717
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: a judgment call yes.

718
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: But I guess with all that's going on, even with

719
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 2: the larger commercial in not being that bad, I don't

720
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: know that that order was a good idea anyway, you know,

721
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: because with all that's happening, and I'm just like dub like, oh,

722
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: it's either a lotion or soap. And honestly, like someone

723
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: said it best, someone said, hey, dev I'm looking at

724
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: the whole commercial, because I was like, no, it's meant

725
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: to show the different when they're like, I got you,

726
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: But did you bring a brown person into the room

727
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: and say hey, thoughts? Honestly, because this could have It's

728
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: just true that if you brought someone brown into the

729
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: room and said thoughts about what you know, someone's going

730
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: to say, I get what you're I get what you're

731
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: trying to do. Oh sorry, this is yeah, I said,

732
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: got it. It was a mosquito, and I said not today.

733
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: It's the little things, right, I.

734
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: Get what you're trying to do here, but it's having

735
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: a brown, black woman turned into a white woman. No

736
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: matter how you slice it, it's not a really it's

737
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: not a good idea, you know, And that I see

738
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: where you're going with, Like, but there has to be

739
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: a better way to illustrate that different skin types and

740
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: skin tones can use this there. I mean, obviously there

741
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: has to be I mean, Rihanna just lost launched penty

742
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: and showed that, like, hey, this is a makeup brand

743
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: that caters to all kinds of women without having to

744
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: do this, you know.

745
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, they matched the undershirts to the color of

746
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: their skin, like it's nice. Hey we have undershirts and

747
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: different shades now, Like yeah, I.

748
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: Just was like, so, like I said, the overall outrage,

749
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I I the still shot looked terrible, but

750
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: the commercial and its entirety wasn't as bad, although obviously

751
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't it wasn't good.

752
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a marketing table. Maybe Yeah, I don't know.

753
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I honestly I can say if I had seen that,

754
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: I would have raised any alarms.

755
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: I honestly, I can honestly say I probably wouldn't have.

756
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: Because when I saw the commercial, I was like, okay,

757
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: and so I went about my business. And then when

758
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: I saw it blew up. I was like I was

759
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: talking about the same commercial. But then I realized most

760
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: people had never seen the commercial and even then, you know,

761
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: by then they were already so enraged and there was

762
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: really no pulling back. I think most people just were

763
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: reacting to that still because that's still shot is damaging.

764
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: It is, and it's just not the time to be

765
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: making even like even the the perception of any sort

766
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: of like racism or perception of colorism. It's just people

767
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: are just really, we're just all sensitive to it right now.

768
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: But I don't know I'm given Dove a pass, can

769
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I be, because like Dove does so much for I

770
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I think they were one of the earliest

771
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: brands to like have different skin colors, different ages, and

772
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: they're at they try. It's not like I think it

773
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: was even I think it wasn't as dramatic, quite as

774
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: dramatic as like that shame moisture controversy a couple of

775
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 1: months ago. That's just my I'm playing Devil's Advocate. Send

776
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: me your hate mail, Brandon Bish.

777
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: I know I was gonna say. I know people are

778
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: gonna be like, what like I said, I'm not saying,

779
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: and man, it's not saying that that it was well

780
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: executed or whatever, and not to say that, you know,

781
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: there's not a history obviously. Like I mean, if you

782
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: look at some old old Dove advertisements, like there literally

783
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: is like a little brown baby getting into like Dove

784
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: soap and coming out quote unquote clean and white.

785
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but seeing that, Okay, maybe I need to

786
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: brush up on my Dove commercial.

787
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: So there's definitely that. I'm not saying that. I'm just

788
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: saying that, like I think that a lot of the

789
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: backlash is mostly the screenshot, not necessarily the whole commercial,

790
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: and that it's not well executed. And this is what happened.

791
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of like my brown break today, but it's

792
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: not well executed. And because to me, there's not enough

793
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: there's not enough people in decision making like rooms to say, hey, yeah,

794
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: that's not really gonna fly.

795
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently I shouldn't be in marketing.

796
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like, yeah.

797
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: It's great, Well what yeah an other did you read it?

798
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: How do you feel? Since we're going to be on

799
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: these controversy topics. So, and this is also related to

800
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: like I think, being a person, like being at work

801
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: and all the things happening in our country right now,

802
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: the xenophobia, the racism, the Black Lives matter, the police brutality,

803
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: the NFL protest whatever. All these subject matters are very

804
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: delicate subjects to broach in the workplace, and I think

805
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: we're all seeing the worst of this from Jamille Hill

806
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: at ESPN, who has just fired for her tweets speaking

807
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: out against the Dallas Cowboys owner for his disrespect quote

808
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: unquote of players who have been taking the knee and

809
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: protests of black Lives matter. So she was fired. Remember

810
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: this is the same like as ESPN anchor who Trump

811
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: himself or the Trump White House, I think, came out

812
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: saying that she should be fired when she criticized him,

813
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: called them a white suppersist on air.

814
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: The lot I mean, I personally, I mean, if the

815
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: truth is the truth, call it the truth, you know.

816
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: And I knew that they were because I saw, like,

817
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: you know that, and I knew when I saw, like,

818
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, the story about her tweet, I said, yeah,

819
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna let her go because honestly, not because it's right,

820
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: because it's so easy to dispose of brown women like

821
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: who's fighting for you that has any position of power?

822
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: You know, who's the woman above you that says no,

823
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: not today, you know. And so it's just such a shame,

824
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm just so glad that more and

825
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: more people are willing to speak out despite the consequences,

826
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: you know, because it's almost like after a while, it's

827
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: like you can't fire everyone, you can't let go of everyone,

828
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: you can't dise everyone. You know.

829
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, what she was saying is, you know, if

830
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: you just if you don't agree with what the Dallas

831
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: Cowboys founder has done or the owner, then you should boycott,

832
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: boycott their advertisers or whatnot. I don't know, it's it's

833
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: I understand, and like, you know, being a journalist, I

834
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: don't cover like politics, you know, she's in sports. There

835
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: is like this and there. It's been completely blurred. But

836
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: this expectation to be completely unbiased. And I think it's

837
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: really hard when you're when you're a journalist because we're

838
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: human beings and I think we all have to be

839
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: careful in our in our jobs. Just what you say

840
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: on your Twitter feed and on Facebook is can get

841
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: you fired. Like yeah, and it's just it's up to

842
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: the companies. You know, they gave her I think a

843
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: little that they gave her a pass for the first

844
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: transgression and she apologized, and I guess the second time

845
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: it was it was too much, But I think about that.

846
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: I I definitely it. I censor the hell out of myself.

847
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't even tweet hardly anymore because I'm too afraid

848
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: of what I might say, because there's just too much

849
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: I want to say. And I when I put things

850
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: on Facebook, I definitely have my filter for friends only

851
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: except for acquaintances. And acquaintances are like all of my

852
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: work colleagues and relatives and whoever, you know, because I'm

853
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: just I'm trying to be over over protective of my

854
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: own voice so that I don't get myself into trouble.

855
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: No, and I think that too, honestly. I mean, I

856
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: do censor myself, like if it's straight like budget Niste,

857
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: the stuff like you're not gonna see me really talk

858
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: about like politics and stuff on like the budget he's

859
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: on Facebook, or the budget he's on Instagram. Unless I mean,

860
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: every once in a while, on like Instagram, I'm like,

861
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: you know, I will say I'll share something, but like

862
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: my personal page, I'm a lot less, you know, I'm

863
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: a lot more free to share. And even then it's

864
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: still I share my opinion, but in a in a

865
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: more in a careful way, knowing that it's still I'm

866
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: still even though it's Tiffany, you know, there's still my

867
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: brand and my business that's attached to it. But it

868
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I won't share my displeasure. I will. I'll say,

869
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: you know, this is unfair, this is not right, and

870
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: this is you know, like I you know, but I

871
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: might not share as much on the budget nis the page,

872
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: at least not in that way, you know. But then

873
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm overwhelmed and I'm like, I don't care, this

874
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: is terrible, you know. And so but even then I'm

875
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: still mindful of like how like you're not going to

876
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: see me, curse that that's just not me anyway. But

877
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you're not going to see me, curse,

878
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: You're not going to see me, you know, which harm

879
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: upon anyone. You're not going to see that. You know

880
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: you're going to see And just know that if I

881
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 2: do share something, I thought about it and I looked

882
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: at it and I read it and I read it again,

883
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, because I but I just feel like I

884
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: have to say something, you know. So it's hard because

885
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: you know, these days you have to think to yourself,

886
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: ten years, twenty years from now, you know, what is

887
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: it that I'd like for people to see? And so

888
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: and everyone's I mean, I know there are some people

889
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: who their ministry, you know, for lack of a better word,

890
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: is to disrupt in that way, meaning that they are

891
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: here to be the megaphone and say no, no, no, politics, religion,

892
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. I say it, and that's their ministry.

893
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: That's that's the way that they make the world better.

894
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: And I commend that and I'm happy for that. But

895
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: I know for me that one of the things that

896
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: my disruption is to say, you go out there and

897
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: you shine a light person, and I will support you.

898
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: But what I do is I try to take women,

899
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: especially women of color, and say, okay, girl, at the

900
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: end of the day, if you don't have no money,

901
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: you don't have no power. So let's get your credit together,

902
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: Let's get you this house, let's get you saving. Let's

903
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: so that's what I actively, that's my activism, is that like,

904
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: if I can teach brown women how to not only

905
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: stabilize their finances but to grow and excel, that is

906
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: where I'm like, that's what I'm working on. You know.

907
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: So sometimes people will be like, go, Tiffy, are you

908
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: gonna comment on that, and I might, but honestly, I

909
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: really that's what I that's my overarching goal. Like I'm

910
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: not teaching financial education because it's not random, it's very

911
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: calculated to cultivate a group of Brown women who are

912
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: not only just financially secure and stable, but who are

913
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: killing it out there. So that way, you know, when

914
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, when the time comes for you to ask

915
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 2: for a raise, you know, there's a brown girl sister

916
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: sitting behind the big desk. When the time comes for

917
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: you to borrow money, it's a sister sitting there. It's

918
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: what you know what I mean, Like that's really important

919
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: to me, And yeah, that's really important to me. So

920
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: like that's kind of my way of giving back. Yeah. See, yes,

921
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: it's a perfect segue of breaking and boosting, and I

922
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: think I wanna I want to boost the brown women

923
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: who are in those positions. Honestly, every single major contract

924
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: that have gotten except for one, has been because a

925
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: brown woman was in that room fighting for me. Like

926
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: I think of like the major brands that I work with,

927
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: like a Ford or or even like some of the

928
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: TV shows that I'm on now and stuff like and

929
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: I finally get to the space. There's a sister there

930
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: who pulls me to the side and says, girl, I've

931
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: been telling them about you for three years. I've been

932
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: putting together power points and presentations of this and this

933
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: and this and that, and finally they said, well, we'll

934
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: open the door just a little bit and Tiffany, you

935
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: come in and when you smash it, I look at

936
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: them like I told you, and you know, and I

937
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: just wish that. That's why it's so important for us

938
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: to be in those spaces, because I so much of

939
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: what I do I would not be able to do

940
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: without these women who I don't even know advocating for me,

941
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: like they're my sister, cousin, mother, friend, you know. No,

942
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, I can't tell you how many women like

943
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: literally like you know, it'd be something major. And I'm like,

944
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: this was so great. How'd you find me? And they're like, oh,

945
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: Calyssa told us, and I'm like, what's Calyssa? Jess was

946
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: like girl me you know, or like no Tanya told us,

947
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: or no Dreama told us, or what And almost without fail,

948
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: that person will have told me that they've been working

949
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: on it for a number of years. Can you imagine ye,

950
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like really, They're like, girl, yes, they've been saying, oh,

951
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: we want someone, we're looking for a finance expert or

952
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: we're looking for this. I'm like, oh, what about Tiffy,

953
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: What about Tiffy Nana? And she was like, year after year,

954
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: I bring you up, I pull up your numbers, I

955
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: show them your growth, I show them you're and you know,

956
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: finally you know, and then your job at my job

957
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: is to kill it when I'm there and to over deliver,

958
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: so that way they can say, see see I told you,

959
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: And so that way it leaves the door open, so

960
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: more more brown ambition folks can can come to the door.

961
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: And I just want to give a brown boost to

962
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: those women who are in those spaces. Like when I

963
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 2: work with Prudential, it was two brown women that pulled

964
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: me in Prudential. Is I am not the target audience

965
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: for like a Prudential. You know, it's very much an

966
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: old boys club at Prudential for the most part. But

967
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: these women pulled me in on small little assignments that said, Tiffany,

968
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: just kill it, okay, then bigger assignments, Tiffany, just kill it.

969
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: And then it grew and before you know what prudential

970
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: is working with more and more brown influencers and bloggers

971
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: and stuff as relates to personal finance, and so I just, yeah,

972
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: I cannot thank these women enough for one being where

973
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: they are when there are not many of them, and

974
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: being an advocate. Like I did an interview today and

975
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: the woman on the phone, even though she wasn't a

976
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: brown woman, she was a woman. She said, oh my god,

977
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: it was so nice talking to you. She said, they

978
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: wanted me to do an interview, and they had all

979
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: these lists and I was like, no, I refused to

980
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: interview another white man about and I was rowling, and

981
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: she list is the Jewish lady and she was so called.

982
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: We had just a great conversation about kids, about everything,

983
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: and so we were just talking in general. She was like, no,

984
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: when I get the opportunity to write for publication, I'm

985
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: always looking like, are there any people of color? Are

986
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: there any women like they know things too? And that's

987
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: what you need, is that the more of us that

988
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: can be in these spaces, the more of us we

989
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: can pull in. And so yeah, I just want to

990
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 2: give a brown boost to those women out there who

991
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: are you know, not only like in these spaces, but

992
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: are making it their business to pull other women in amen.

993
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: I endorse, endorse that message.

994
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: So what about you, miss Mandra Are you going to

995
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: boost a break? Oh?

996
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: You know, you know me, let's keep things positive. I'm

997
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: gonna do a boost day.

998
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: Should the shimmy with a twist? Oh? Got so?

999
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: My boost is speaking of putting women of color behind

1000
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: in the boardrooms, in the executive suites. I think behind

1001
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: the camera is important to case in point. This fabulous

1002
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: Chinese producer at Fusion put together this really exceptional video

1003
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: on the history of tipping, and I think those two

1004
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: things should are related. I don't think that many other

1005
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: producers would have cared to look into the history of

1006
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: tipping if it weren't a minority woman. So I was

1007
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: really excited to see this video by this young producer.

1008
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: But I had no idea the history of tipping. I mean,

1009
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: I like to consider myself like well educated, but no

1010
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: one ever told me tipping goes all the way back

1011
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: to slave days or Jim Crow and like the history

1012
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: of of African Americans in this country, and like, did

1013
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: you see the video? I know I posted on Brand Ambition.

1014
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: If you get a chance to watch.

1015
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: It, yet no, no, but I know you're talking about

1016
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: but I didn't school.

1017
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: It's really good. So basically the concept of tipping. You know,

1018
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: obviously in Europe there is no tipping, like you just

1019
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: like pay whatever you pay. And in many countries, I

1020
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: don't know if I don't want to speak for every country,

1021
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: but like when you to leave the United States, I'm like, oh,

1022
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: this is so nice. No one has to tip it all.

1023
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: In our country, you know, waiters and weight staff get

1024
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: paid like two dollars minimum wage. I think an hour

1025
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: is the federal minimum wage for weight staff, and they're

1026
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: supposed to make up the rest of their wages and tipping.

1027
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Back in the day when tipping was made a policy,

1028
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: it was a way for employers to get away, to

1029
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: get away with not paying black workers, who were mostly

1030
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: in service jobs, any money at all. And tipping was

1031
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: seen as like something that you would do to someone

1032
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: in someone you see is lower than you. Like it

1033
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: was it was seen as, oh, you wouldn't tip a

1034
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: white waiter, that's rude, you know they you only, but

1035
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: you would tip the black waiter because that is that's

1036
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: their station. It just it took a long time for

1037
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: it to be seen as and of course more more

1038
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: and more non minorities taking uh service jobs to be

1039
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: seen as okay, we actually need these tips tip well.

1040
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: But even today, as the video points out, and I

1041
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: don't know why I've never considered this or thought about

1042
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: this either, but studies show that people of color, especially

1043
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: women of color, in service industries and waiting jobs, get

1044
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: tipped significantly less on average than than white weight staff.

1045
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of lied. That was more of

1046
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: a break, but a boost for the video done by

1047
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: a great this Chinese producer, young woman named Isabelle, and

1048
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: a break for continued racism messing up our money.

1049
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's a like I try my best now

1050
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: to really tip, like I try to at least get

1051
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: you know, like the fifteen per se. I mean not,

1052
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't try. I give at least a fifteen percent,

1053
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: and then, you know, I really try to tip well,

1054
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: like if you were, you know, a good waiter waitress,

1055
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: then I you know, I try to be like, oh,

1056
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: you know what, here's an extra because you know, you'd

1057
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: like to reward good behavior, but at the very least

1058
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: get your fifteen twenty percent, you know.

1059
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have that one friend who you go

1060
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: to dinner with and they don't tip. Ugh I did,

1061
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: and I stopped going to dinner with her.

1062
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I stopped honestly, because I mean,

1063
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: even when if you don't have enough money to tip,

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Speaker 2: then you don't have enough money to eat out, Like

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Speaker 2: that's part of it. Like you have to pay for

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00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: the service for someone to bring food to the table

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Speaker 2: and bringing your water when you requested. All that kind

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00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: of stuff costs that that tip is to pay for that.

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00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: But I will say, sometimes it's kind of annoying, but

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Speaker 2: I get why people do it. Those Have you ever

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00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: been to those restaurants where the tip is included?

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00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: They're they're becoming more of the norm in New York City,

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00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: like a lot of but no, I haven't gone to

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00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: one yet.

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Speaker 2: And so the only thing I don't like. I remember

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00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: I went to a restaurant with like it was appairly

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00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: maybe it was like five or six of us. So

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00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: oftentimes if you have like a larger like over four

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00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: or five, sometimes they'll include the tip in the bill.

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00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: But I'm like, tell me, I remember the first time

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00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: it happened, and I was I didn't realize, so we

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00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: were all paying and then I was like, okay, everybody

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00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: your tips, and so we were all gathering additional money

1084
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: and then someone happened to look, They're like, wait, the

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00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: tip is on here. We were gonna pay like an

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00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: additional whatever, seventy bucks or whatever. And not to say

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00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have tipped a little extra, but we were

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00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 2: gonna do the customary tip. I'm like, uh, that should

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00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: be clearly stated. So people are not double tipping, like

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to tip somebody else, another

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Speaker 2: thing to literally double their tip by like one hundred dollars,

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00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so yeah, that's the only thing. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm a good tipper. Now I have to say I'm

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00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. And I was not a great tipper.

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00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean I was the bare minimum tipper, but I

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00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: was not like a great like here's a little extra something,

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00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: because I was like I have to take a my

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00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: calculator and be like, okay, four dollars and thirty two

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00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: sent let me give my thirty anybody got two pennies,

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00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: Like that's I tip exactly exactly fifteen. And now I'm like, oh,

1101
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: ahead to keep this sixty seven dollars dollars for your troubles.

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00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I'm definitely a better tipper now I try.

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Speaker 1: You you tip what you can, but you gotta tip something,

1104
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: and don't don't be cheap. It's a couple of bucks.

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00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it's a turnoff from you when

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00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: people are like that cheap with their money. Then maybe

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00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: don't order seamless if you don't want to pay two

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Speaker 1: dollars for a tip. I don't know.

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00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and then exactly because I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 2: tipping is part of the fact that, like you have

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00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: to pay for service.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to, if you want to

1113
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: be mad at somebody, be mad at our legislative or

1114
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: legislators who haven't changed the laws on and they're still

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00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: allowing people to get paid dirt cheap money for you know,

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00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: these minimum wage waiting wait waitressing and what do you

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00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: call it waitering like wait something staffing jobs, because you know,

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00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: they're allowed to pay two dollars and whatever as a

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00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: minimum wage and then you have to make up the

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Speaker 1: money and tips. So if you want to, you know,

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00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: piss somebody, if you want to yell at somebody, don't

1122
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: don't not tip the poor person who has to be

1123
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: stuck with this minimum wage. You know, send a letter

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00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: to your congressman or woman. Make your voice heard exactly?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: I hope that friend is listening. She knows who she is.

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: You always have a good question, Yes we do.

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Speaker 1: We have a couple of good questions this week, and

1129
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: if you want to send your questions to us, you

1130
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: can go to Brown Ambition Podcast dot.

1131
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: Com dot com.

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00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: And also if you just want to go straight to

1133
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: the source, you can email us at Brown Ambition Podcast

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00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com dot com. Thanks real quick, We

1135
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: have a question from someone who is having some issues

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Speaker 1: with her secured credit card and needs our help. Oof

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00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: ooh girl okay. Uh doesn't say if she wants to

1138
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: be anonymous or non, so will err on the side

1139
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Speaker 1: of just calling her Natalie. Okay. So, Natalie says, I

1140
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: opened a five hundred dollars secured credit card with Bank

1141
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: of America. Since then, I've been a few days late

1142
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: in payments once or twice. I also I also carry

1143
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: high balances, but I pay the card three hundred to

1144
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars at a time. The bank hasn't increased

1145
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: my credit limit or changed the card to an unsecured card.

1146
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Should I wait for the bank, or should I try

1147
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: and increase my own credit by depositing more money onto

1148
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: the secured card? Or should I just pay off this

1149
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: card and stop using it. What's the best action I

1150
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: can take to increase the limit of my card and

1151
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: switch it over to an unsecured credit card?

1152
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: Ooh ooh chat when you said you would lay a

1153
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: couple of times, I said.

1154
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: Whooh, the danger zone. This is like it is like,

1155
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: this is like the person who's like, so, I saw

1156
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: this pill on doctor Oz and it saysn't gonna lose

1157
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. Uh no, don't. Oh, I'm like afraid, you know,

1158
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: you don't wanna know. Yeah, this is danger zone. So

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00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: from the sound of your question, I'm I'm hearing that

1160
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: you're not quite prepared, perhaps for a unsecured credit card, right,

1161
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: is that what you're hearing?

1162
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 2: I you know, the fact that she will pay three

1163
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: hundred to four hundred dollars love some lets me know

1164
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: that it's not that she's not ready for it, but

1165
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: she's probably going about it the wrong way, because if

1166
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 2: she were to say, honestly, I've got this, I've got

1167
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: the lit I've got you know, I'm at three or

1168
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: four hundred dollars I used on the card, and I

1169
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: just can't seem to get ahead. But the fact that

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00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: she's able to pay those love sums like that lets

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00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: me know, Okay, there's money in play. She does have enough,

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00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so that's good. Yeah, for people who don't

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00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: know what a secured card is and how it works.

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Speaker 1: So the general idea with the secured card is you

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00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: put down a deposit. It's like five hundred dollars. So

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00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: the bank takes your money and says, thank you. Now

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00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: we're going to give you a line of credit quote unquote,

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: and you're going to use the money you gave us

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00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: as collateral. So if you don't make your payments, we

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00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: just keep this money and go about our business. But

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00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: if you make payments on time to yourself almost at

1183
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: the end of twelve months or however long it is,

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00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: we will give you back your deposit and give you

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00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: the chance in some cases to upgrade to a regular

1186
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: credit card unsecured credit card. And all that means is

1187
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: that you don't put any money down. They just give

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00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: you the money to borrow without requiring collateral. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't call it.

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Speaker 2: I call it like a credit card with training wheel.

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: That's what I call it. Secure cards.

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds about it, and it's a good way

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: to build credit. The best way to the best way

1194
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: to use it, obviously is to make all your payments

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00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: on time. I hope that these late payments did it

1196
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: hurt her credit? You bad? But she's wondering if she

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00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,959
Speaker 1: should because clearly she is her limit is too small

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Speaker 1: for her. She wants a card with the higher limit,

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00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: and she wants to know she should keep waiting for

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: the bank to increase her limit because it's been over

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00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: a year, she says, or should she just drop this card,

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00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: close it and apply for a regular credit card somewhere else.

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. This is what I suggest, like,

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00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: this is what's going to make a bank make your

1205
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: secured cards. So I'll give you example. Superman had a

1206
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: secured card with our bank when I met him. He

1207
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: had it for maybe, like I don't know, maybe like

1208
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: eight months or whatever, but it was almost maxed out

1209
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: and he was making small payments a month, and I

1210
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: was like why, and he thought that's what he was

1211
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 2: supposed to do, until I was like, well, just paid

1212
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: off and so he did. A few months later, his

1213
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: credit score really jumped up, and so I had him

1214
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: put small charges on the card a month and paid

1215
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: off in full every month. And by the time the

1216
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: end of the year hit they doubled his limits. It

1217
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: was five hundred and it was now a thousand or

1218
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, nine hundred and twenty thousand. Gave

1219
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: him back his deposit and took the secured part off

1220
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: the card and become an unsecured regular card. So a bank,

1221
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: your bank is looking to see, One, do you make

1222
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: on time payments? That's that's the bare minimum if you

1223
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: want them to make it a regular card. Two, if

1224
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: you really want to increase the likelihood of them making

1225
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: their regular card, keep your limit under thirty percent, ideally

1226
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: paying it off every month. So I don't know if

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: this is your only card, but you know, if you

1228
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: can keep if it's a it's a five hundred dollars card,

1229
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: you really never want to have a balance over one

1230
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars and ideally pay it off in

1231
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: full every month. Is it possible, are you like really

1232
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 2: using using this card? Is it possible just to put

1233
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: a small charge like your Netflix account or something on

1234
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: this card and pay it off every month. If you

1235
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: do that for the next few months, then you can

1236
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: approach them and say, hey, you know, I've been really

1237
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: good with the card. I paid off in full. You

1238
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: know when you know when when will like the secured

1239
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: cart be able to be taken off, because you can

1240
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: call an ask. You know, typically after a year of

1241
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: proper usage, they take it off. But because you've missed

1242
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: a couple or you were late a few times, so

1243
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: they're still probably keeping their eye on you. So that's

1244
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: what I would suggest, is that. And so what I

1245
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: would do, and this is what I did for Superman

1246
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: is I had him automate. So if I were you,

1247
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: so you don't miss payments anymore. If you're able to

1248
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: pay a three or four hundred dollars lump sum on

1249
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: the secured card, why not on the day that your

1250
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: your your balance is due, that you automate a smaller

1251
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: payment so you never are late, meaning like let's just

1252
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: say your minimum amount is twenty five or thirty five dollars,

1253
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: automate the typical minimum amount so that way you know,

1254
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: at least I'm not late, even if they didn't pay

1255
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: it off in full at least I'm not late, and

1256
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: then when you get your lump sum, get your lump

1257
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: sum and paid off every month. That's what I'll do,

1258
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: at the very least to start to get the process

1259
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: going in your favor.

1260
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: I agree, I don't know that it's a good idea

1261
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: until I don't know that it's a good idea to

1262
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: run and open a different credit card, although it's possible

1263
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: that she might get approved for a different credit card

1264
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: if her credit's improved from the secured card. Behavior do

1265
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: you feel like when secure cards upgrade you to another

1266
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: the unsecured credit card to like a regular credit card?

1267
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: Is it often a good deal? Like are you getting

1268
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: are you getting a card with good terms or any like?

1269
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: Are there fees? Usually? Like what is what's like a

1270
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: step up credit card? Do you know anything about that?

1271
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I could just tell I could just

1272
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: tell you from the experience of Superman that there was

1273
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: no additional fee. His interest rate was decent. It was

1274
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: kind of an alignment with his score, which was okay

1275
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: at the time. It was like maybe like low seven

1276
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: hundred ish, And I forget what his interest rate was,

1277
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: but I remember comparing it to kind of my interest

1278
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: rate and it was decent, and so it's more so

1279
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: like even if that's not your usable card. So for example,

1280
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: I have credit card. I have a credit card that

1281
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 2: I've had forever that I'm not going to close because

1282
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: it helps me with my length of credit history. My

1283
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: interest rate is not great, so the only thing that

1284
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: goes on that card is my Netflix. And then I

1285
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: have another credit card that the interest rate is great,

1286
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: and so that's the card that I use. So you

1287
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: might have your secured card upgrades itself and that's just

1288
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: the kind of the card that you use, like to

1289
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: just like prove that you can make a payment every

1290
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: month and pay off something every month and then your

1291
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: credit is strong enough for you to really apply and

1292
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: get qualified for a card with a much better interest rate.

1293
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: So sometimes cards can have different usage. So for me

1294
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: some you know, like one of my cards is it's

1295
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: not really to use, it's just to prove, Hey, Timpany's

1296
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: good with cards. She pays it off every month even

1297
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 2: though it's just one small charge. So that's what I

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: would I would look into, because you don't necessarily if

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01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: your credit is already taking a hit, I don't know

1300
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: that I want you to get an inquiry for applying,

1301
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: because every time you apply for credit, whether you get

1302
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: it or not, you get a little ding on your

1303
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: credit score that brings down your score. You know, a

1304
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: few It could be a few points, and it could

1305
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: be a number of points, double digit points, depending And

1306
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: so I'd rather you massage this card and get upgraded

1307
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: without the inquiry, and go and apply for another card

1308
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: that you may or not even get and then get

1309
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: that ding.

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Speaker 1: We have a related question, and I think it highlights

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01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: one of the highlights sort of the importance of shopping

1312
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: around even for the best secured card offers, because secured

1313
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: cards are an awesome tool to build and improve your credit.

1314
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: But some of them have fees. Like I didn't realize this,

1315
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: some of them charge monthly fees. We got a question

1316
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: from listener Opal a couple of weeks ago, and she said,

1317
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: I recently paid off a couple of credit cards. I

1318
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: feel really liberated, and I was going I was going

1319
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: through them to be sure that all of them had

1320
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: a zero balance, but I noticed one card charge is

1321
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: a fee of four dollars a month, and I charged

1322
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: a four dollar fee even though I had a zero balance.

1323
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: I had to email a couple more times with her

1324
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it. It is a

1325
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: secured card that she has, So the question is should

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01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: I just close out the secured card account or leave

1327
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: it open and keep paying this four dollars fee on

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01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: the side.

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01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: If she has other cards, then I would close it.

1330
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: I ended up closing mind. So I had I got

1331
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: a secured card for my business because it's similar. They

1332
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: were like, I applied for a regular card. They were like, uh,

1333
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: you tried it, girl. You don't even have any type

1334
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: of credit history, and so they were like, but you

1335
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: could get a secured card to kind of build your

1336
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: business credit history. So I did, and there was a feat.

1337
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't monthly, but it was yearly. And

1338
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that because like it charged and it

1339
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: wasn't a little bit. It was like, I don't know,

1340
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: maybe like fifty or sixty bucks or something. And so

1341
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: I realized, yeah, once I was able to get the

1342
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: I was able to get so for whatever reason, the

1343
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: business account didn't automatically upgrade to a regular card. I

1344
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: had to apply for a whole separate regular card at

1345
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 2: that my same bank. So I got it, and so

1346
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: I closed the other car, because I'm like, well, why

1347
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: am I going to pay the sixty bucks a month

1348
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: or whatever? It was a year when I have my

1349
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: regular card at this bank now, So I if it

1350
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: was the only card I had, I would maybe wait

1351
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 2: apply for a regular card, so you know, you can

1352
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: keep your established credit history, or you can start to

1353
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: build credit history with that card. But I would close

1354
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 2: it because if your credit score is good enough for

1355
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: a regular card, that you That's really the purpose to

1356
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: me of a secured card is to build your credit

1357
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: history and credit score. So if it's good enough for

1358
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: a regular card, you no longer really need it, especially

1359
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: if it's charging you monthly. You know.

1360
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're ready for some wins.

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01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: Wind you go first.

1362
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a win for my Chase Reserve card,

1363
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: which is still serving me life two years sent Wait,

1364
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: how long has it been? I feel like you, Yeah,

1365
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: it was this time last year. I think I got

1366
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: my Reserve card paid for the honeymoon trip all the well,

1367
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: not the airfare and some other things, but not actually

1368
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: the hotels, but for like a good chunk of the honeymoon.

1369
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: I've been milking this card all year long, and I

1370
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: still have points that we're going to dr like I said,

1371
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: and book the I found a better on my hotel

1372
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: through Chase Ultimate Rewards than I did online, like even

1373
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: on which was I think I got like twenty dollars

1374
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: off per night, and then I booked my airfare through them,

1375
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: and I'm just the happiest customer. I think it's the

1376
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: one like like we said, like there's a four hundred

1377
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars annual fee, but if you can manage it,

1378
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: I think it's totally worth it. Because even even after

1379
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: I went through that bonus, you know, everyone said, yeah,

1380
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: you know with the one hundred thousand point bonus, of

1381
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: course you want to get it. But I think if

1382
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: you travel a lot and eat out a lot even without,

1383
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: that's that crazy high sign on bonus. I think they

1384
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: they downgraded it to like what fifty or forty thousand.

1385
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. But like, yeah, I got that

1386
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: finding both literally like the day before because you were like,

1387
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: don't wait.

1388
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: Don't wait, because they snatched it. They snashed it out

1389
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: real quick. They lost so much money on that. But anyway,

1390
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: shout out to finding the credit card that has the

1391
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: keys to my heart and just matches me very well,

1392
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think if you even if you travel,

1393
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: even if you miss the initial crazy high bonus, but

1394
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: if you travel a ton for work or for whatever

1395
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: and you're like eating out, I still think it. I

1396
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: still think it makes a lot of sense because they

1397
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: give you that three hundred dollars travel credit every year,

1398
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: and then they give you three points back on like

1399
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: dining and travel and you get like TSA pre check

1400
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: and Global entry and all that kind of like other perks.

1401
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm a stand I wonder.

1402
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: For the travel credit, like if you don't use it,

1403
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: do you lose it?

1404
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, you don't have a choice. They just put it.

1405
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: They just give it to you.

1406
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Cassine, it look, I just saw it this year

1407
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: and I was just thinking to myself, I didn't use

1408
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: it this year yet, and so I'm just like looking

1409
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: at you.

1410
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, I see what you mean. Oh, actually, I

1411
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I was just yeah, yeah, yeah, I said

1412
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: that because I had I happened to book a flight

1413
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: the same day that the travel credit was applied, and

1414
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they just did that so quick.

1415
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm gonna yeah, well we'll see. So yeah, no,

1416
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: because I did see it on there. I was like, oh,

1417
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: there's money on here.

1418
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: If you don't spend at least three hundredllar on travel,

1419
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't have the card in the first place, because.

1420
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: So is that? Is that what it does? A cult? No,

1421
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: I use it like all the time, And I'm like,

1422
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure I do, because I use it whenever I

1423
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: book flights and stuff. But I saw it recently on

1424
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: there and I'm like, wait, how do I have to

1425
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: apply this?

1426
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Well, you don't do the applying, like, it just tells

1427
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: so whenever you So let's say, you know the clock

1428
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: restarts on your travel credit, then you spend twenty dollars

1429
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: on Uber, you spend the twenty dollars, and then you'll

1430
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: see on your statement it'll be like negative for dollars.

1431
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, I was gonna say, I was gonna say,

1432
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: how did that work? Because yes, I see, because yeah, no,

1433
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: that's the card. I've linked to everything, and now I'm

1434
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: super excited because I've actually linked it. So I do

1435
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: a lot of Facebook marketing and I spend like quite

1436
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: a bit amount of money, and so I realized, wait,

1437
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: I'm missing out on some money, So I'm gonna link

1438
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: that card to my Facebook marketing account, so that way

1439
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: I can just be earn and earn and earning, uh

1440
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: points on top of points. Because I told Superman, I'm

1441
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: like the way this house is looking because i really

1442
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: want a dope house, so I'm willing to spend a

1443
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: little extra. I was like, we won't be able to

1444
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: go on, you know, a nice vacation in a little while,

1445
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: but maybe we can earn a nice vacation. So that's

1446
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: what really.

1447
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it also helps traveling and hurricane season. Not gonna lie.

1448
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's because it does it. Does it have automatic insurance?

1449
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: Uh my? Oh yeah, the Chase card does have has

1450
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 1: really good travelers insurance.

1451
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1452
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: I think if there were a weather related thing, I

1453
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: think i'd be covered. But luckily, knock on wood things

1454
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: you're looking good for us, So I'm excited. You're welcome

1455
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: Chase for free advertising.

1456
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right, somebody from Chase Carlos because I'm not

1457
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, I'm not really a huge Chase fan,

1458
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: only because you know, you guys took my house. But no,

1459
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, nor feelings whatever.

1460
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: You're not alone, I know.

1461
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, other than that, your card is pretty dope.

1462
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: My win is Marley Diaz. You remember Marley Daz. She started

1463
01:09:55,439 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 2: that movement a thousand Black girl books. Oh yeah, yes, so,

1464
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 2: like I know her mom. They all live in like Jersey,

1465
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: and her mom has this awesome nonprofit called oh I

1466
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 2: forget the name of her nonprofit, which of course yes

1467
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: I know, and it's like really dope because I used

1468
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: to volunteer for it. And so every year it's like

1469
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 2: a summer camp for a like empowering young young brown girl.

1470
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: So her mom, Janice is awesome, and you know how

1471
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: people have like their fifteen minutes of fame. Yes, so well,

1472
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: her mom Janis is is a doctor, like a PhD

1473
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: and super smart. And her mom is her father because

1474
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: I can't even you know, let him out. I just

1475
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: don't know him personally. But they've done such an awesome

1476
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 2: job with like really making sure that like Marley is everywhere.

1477
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: She spoke at like a Forbes summit. She I mean,

1478
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: she's amazing, like as it is like you know, like

1479
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: if you speak to her and meet her, but you know,

1480
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: sometimes things happen and it's just kind of like, oh,

1481
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, there's a flash in the pan, and that

1482
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: was so great No, she is still growing so strong,

1483
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean so strong. She just wrote a book. Averra

1484
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: Duvenet did the forward to it. Yeah, she's interviewing one

1485
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: of my publicists, Drina her client who her name is

1486
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: Patrice's Color. She is the co founder of Black Lives Matter.

1487
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: She's just like, I see this here. She's only twelve,

1488
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: and so I think the movement started a year two ago.

1489
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: So just imagine the ten eleven year old just like

1490
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: and I just love the fact that her mom is

1491
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: so supportive, Like, you know, she told her mom, Hey,

1492
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: there's not enough brown girl books, you know, and her

1493
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: mom's like, what are you gonna do about it? And

1494
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: she said, let's collect some and they did. And just

1495
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: to see, like how it's evolved. And I think, was

1496
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: it I forget it? Was it? Teen Voger one of

1497
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 2: these magazines is like helping her start a magazine to

1498
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: encourage other young girls. I mean, just Marlee is just amazing.

1499
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: She's living Mandy Woodrof's twelve year old dream. Marley.

1500
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: Yes, she just spoke at the Girl Scout convention and

1501
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: smashing it.

1502
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would have been so jealous of

1503
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: her if I were twelve.

1504
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just Meanwhile, at twelve, I was still like,

1505
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: which Barbie? I mean, I don't play with Barbies, but

1506
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: kinda I do. I mean what at twelve, I was like,

1507
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I was doing. At twelve,

1508
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: I was still trying to figure out like what braids to.

1509
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: Get, like, you know, not the beanie babies.

1510
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: By twelve, I knew I wasn't doing anything like this.

1511
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: And I'm just really proud of her because she's just dope,

1512
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 2: like self aware, self possessed, just you know, just an

1513
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: all around awesome young woman with awesome parents. And I'm

1514
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: just really proud of her. Like she just popped up

1515
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 2: in my feed and I just said, she truly is

1516
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: Brown ambition at its finest. So Marlee, Marlee, And I'm

1517
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 2: gonna ask your mom, you know, should I be blessed

1518
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: with a brown baby? So are you teaching her how

1519
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 2: to raise an awesome brown girl lessons? Because I'll take

1520
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 2: those lessons for her. Every parent I know with kids

1521
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: that are like amazed, you know, and not like amazing

1522
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: and like I push my kid, I'm a soccer I'm

1523
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: a helicopter mom. I push my kids kind of way

1524
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: just amazing in this like Hey, your kid is well adjusted, happy, smart,

1525
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing. I'm asking all of them, like,

1526
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: so what's your secret? Because you know, if I have

1527
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: a little Bambini or Bambino, I want them to be

1528
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: happy and you know, but I also want them to

1529
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 2: get trading. He's like, no, honestly, that doesn't it doesn't

1530
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 2: matter to me as much as them being happy. And

1531
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 2: I'm like figuring out like what their gift is and

1532
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: living that truth.

1533
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: I think they'll already have a leg up. You never know, kids,

1534
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: kids could be only their fault if they don't shine.

1535
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: I see some kids and I'm like, who are your parents?

1536
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, I know, well eighteen long years. You know,

1537
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: you could be killing it the first five and really

1538
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: mess up the middle ones and they'll still try.

1539
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: No, all right, you know okay, ooh, I just just

1540
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: wrote me. This is just a little something to end on.

1541
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: There's this like psychic lady, this brown psychic woman that

1542
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: I follow, although I'm not really sure you know how

1543
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: much I believe in life, but I don't know. I

1544
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 2: just feel like anything's prosible. Okay, So she wrote me

1545
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: like a nice little message. You know, I'm probably not

1546
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: supposed to share, but you know, I'm an overshare. She

1547
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: was like, she's sending me. She's like, I have a

1548
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: psychic message about pregnancy heading your way late December. You

1549
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: need a ton of rest less travel. I'm like, damn it,

1550
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: feet up until the sixth of the month. I'm like,

1551
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: turn it. I'm like, I'm supposed to go to Australia.

1552
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: Cut the stress, even good stress. Oh I hope the

1553
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: little one arrives. Wow. And she said he pay close

1554
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: attention to your body. So you know, me and Superman

1555
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: are trying, like you know, like I actually have a

1556
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 2: you know her, I do well kind of like like

1557
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends like get readings and stuff

1558
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: with her. And they was like you should, you should,

1559
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: and when she because she does lives and like so

1560
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: I watch her lives sometimes and I'll ask a question

1561
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: or whatever, so like not like you know, like we've met,

1562
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: but like social media I met, like so we're cool enough.

1563
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: So she you know, so when she wrote that, I

1564
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: was like, cause we're trying. Honestly, I actually have an

1565
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: appointment with like doctor h in a couple of weeks

1566
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: and then too because I'm thirty eight, well not yet

1567
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 2: in a couple of days. But because I'll be thirty eight,

1568
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 2: like you know, like also looking at like a fertility

1569
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: like doctor to like really talk about that.

1570
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, you know you're more likely to have twins

1571
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: the older you wait, I know.

1572
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: You're as Superman is already a twin.

1573
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I know. I think it's over. Oh I want

1574
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: you to have twins.

1575
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's why he's ginormous. They like broken mother in

1576
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: half him and his twin brother. I'm like, I can't

1577
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: die and.

1578
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 1: It's all kind of technology. Now you'll be fine.

1579
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think his daughter was like thirteen

1580
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: pounds something like insane. Stop she when he showed me

1581
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: her newborn, her newborn picture, she looks like a one

1582
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 2: year old. I was like, how come you don't have

1583
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: any pictures of Supergirl as a newborn. He's like that is.

1584
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, like when she was like born born.

1585
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 2: He's like that is. I'm like no, I mean, yo,

1586
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: this this this baby, I swear Mandy. She looks a

1587
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: full six to eight months and I'm like, this is

1588
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: how she came out of the wall. Me mean, while

1589
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: her mother is like, it's like my side. She's not big,

1590
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: she's little petite. They're like yeah. He was like yeah,

1591
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: it was a lie for her. I was like, oh

1592
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 2: my god, I don't know if I'm ready. Oh, child,

1593
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 2: be careful when you choose ladies. If you get a

1594
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: big one, you never know.

1595
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: Yah.

1596
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 2: On that note, you never know. Let's be on baby watch.

1597
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: Send me your good baby vibes, all that kind of stuff.

1598
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: I'm open about it. I'm like, I want to have

1599
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,440
Speaker 2: a baby.

1600
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: Do some go, do some what you call it with

1601
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: the needles on your face. Oh, I'm sure not that much,

1602
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: not that much.

1603
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm skidding.

1604
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I just read your horoscope for Leo Libra.

1605
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: I think you'll be okay in that department. Everything else

1606
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: is let go like god, okay, but the magic of

1607
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: the ovaries.

1608
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: Right now, Jerome's like, I am out, I'm out, I'm out.

1609
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: All right on that note, y'all, it was awesome as usual?

1610
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: Was it?

1611
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: When I said Overi's was that it.

1612
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: It's like, tap it out, tap it out. We should

1613
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: give like we should give like a little like well,

1614
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 2: we never know sometimes if we're going to go left.

1615
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 2: Sorry Jerome, next time, I.

1616
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: Don't need Jerome hanging over us making us apologize to

1617
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: saying overy's Jerome is here. Jerome can stay if he

1618
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: would like to stay. If Jerome leaves, because we say overies,

1619
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve us. That is the true.

1620
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 2: Sure. Oh see this is where I have you around, Leo.

1621
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: See that's what the Libra needs.