Speaker 1: Get up, get th boys. It's back and reoaded all
Speaker 1: in your mind. Yeah, not deep throating. This is for
Speaker 1: the streets, the reel, the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth,
Speaker 1: the scapegoating. And they ain't knowing we speak the truth.
Speaker 1: So they quoted because we wrote it. The North South
Speaker 1: East coat is the gv my. We're keeping your head bobbing.
Speaker 1: It ain't no stopping and wants to be dropped head by.
Speaker 1: And then the system is so corrupt they throw the
Speaker 1: rock out their hands and then blame it on us.
Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted on code and me and dancing
Speaker 1: for no buttoment biscuits. It's Willie d y'all scar facing
Speaker 1: the building. Collectively, we are to get old boys reloaded
Speaker 1: with another episode of information and instructions to help you
Speaker 1: get through this wild, crazy, beautiful world. I guess today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta clasp for him before we say his name.
Speaker 1: Tommy David said, oh yeah, man, man cot and congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you man, your new father. How is that? Man?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? And this and this makes how many kids?
Speaker 1: Six six's she's the youngest girl. Three girls, four girls
Speaker 1: now three boys. So I don't know. I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I'm in love man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's your first girl, huh no, this is the fourth one.
Speaker 1: But this is I'm in love different, different. I got time, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's differently. Yeah, you know when I see it, because
Speaker 1: it's like it is you. I got time for you,
Speaker 1: Like I got time to be with you, to appreciate you,
Speaker 1: to know, time to time to look at you. You know,
Speaker 1: I got it. It's to the point where, you know,
Speaker 1: she she's only two months old. I got him talking basically,
Speaker 1: you know, because I can look great at her and
Speaker 1: she's like, I can go and she's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's there. You see what I'm saying, you know, put
Speaker 1: him down, you know, Hey, I gotta go. Hey, you know, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll be back or whatever. She's like, it's a different
Speaker 1: it's a it's different stage from me and just more
Speaker 1: appreciation just from the experience of life. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, do you think do you think that that
Speaker 1: uh ada, that you will make the other kids a
Speaker 1: little jealous? You know, it does anyway, But it's a
Speaker 1: different kind, you know what I mean, It's a different kind.
Speaker 1: Like my fourteen year old she was the baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. And so you know, relationships
Speaker 1: look complex. Okay, So her mother, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: see her, you see, I didn't see her until she
Speaker 1: was like three, damn. Okay, then again ten and Christmas
Speaker 1: with the other kids and blah blah blah blah like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that part of her
Speaker 1: life she didn't get with me. Yeah, do you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So she's sensitive to that when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm like this, But where where we are? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean saying? She understands how much I
Speaker 1: love her because I got her there with me. You see,
Speaker 1: she she she this is the real place, right, It's
Speaker 1: the real place where we get it done in the
Speaker 1: real right. That's how, y'all. That's how. That's what I
Speaker 1: know about, y'all. Yeah, that's what I know about y'all.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, go ahead, man, talk ship. We're here.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get her. I couldn't get her in my
Speaker 1: life for nothing. Fourteen Now I just got her and
Speaker 1: and um um last August. Was that some ship that
Speaker 1: her mother put in her head about you? That that
Speaker 1: that just kind of messes up everything you answer that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so you know, and and it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Life is gonna be what it's gonna be. But because
Speaker 1: I was able to endure that, and that's hard. That
Speaker 1: enduring that kind of stuff is hard because the woman
Speaker 1: never really takes in the fact, takes in the reality
Speaker 1: that we really love our children, we really want them
Speaker 1: with us, like our mother with us. That closeness were
Speaker 1: different kind of black man bred Brandon, black man. All together,
Speaker 1: your head, lotion, all that you go to school, all
Speaker 1: this you I'm with you. You know, you gotta learn
Speaker 1: to do this. You clean like all the stuff that
Speaker 1: I had to do. You gotta do all that stuff
Speaker 1: your mind. So when you don't have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that and you're not seeing them, and it's a girl,
Speaker 1: and you know how the world is with girls, with
Speaker 1: all of this, it's your scared. Yeah, you're scared to night.
Speaker 1: You can't you know, it's it's like you're not seeing us.
Speaker 1: She ain't talking to her, you see. So now she's
Speaker 1: with me, so you gotta talk. You know, I learned
Speaker 1: how to talk like my mother would talk to me.
Speaker 1: She did take me straight up, what the hell? You know?
Speaker 1: One time. This is the real place, right, so welcome
Speaker 1: to the right. Right, We're welcome to the real place.
Speaker 1: I'm about I think about fifteen right, ship around the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Older girl had everything, fifteen year old one. Right, she
Speaker 1: in my room. You know, that's a new relationship for
Speaker 1: me and my mother. I'm a teenager or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: I ain't wasn't coming home on time, you know, since
Speaker 1: twelve or whatever. Right, she come my room, and he
Speaker 1: had a real short hair, you know what I'm saying. So, so,
Speaker 1: you know, were in the room doing the thing, right,
Speaker 1: and my mother came doing what you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the naked you know, so you button naked in the
Speaker 1: room in the room, right, my mother comes in the room. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm done. So you got a call right, naked, right
Speaker 1: with your pants down with the girl in my room? Right?
Speaker 1: And yeah right? Oh, so so my mother came in.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, you know, I guess you were trying to
Speaker 1: come in and say I'm home or whatever. Right, your mom,
Speaker 1: excuse me in the old house, I mean she that's
Speaker 1: my mother. The hell going on in here? That happened to?
Speaker 1: Who do you know? How old my son? How old
Speaker 1: are you? No? To hell. Cut hair cut. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's just the beginning fire. I'm wondering what I gotta
Speaker 1: deal with. She's excuse me, like, I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I gotta go outside that door. And then she closed
Speaker 1: the door back. She closed it, do it back. Holy shit,
Speaker 1: you're in trouble stairs, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I go downstairs and the girl, you know, I tell like,
Speaker 1: you know, he hold one about I come in with
Speaker 1: my mother living room, right Mercy. I said, sorry about
Speaker 1: that that new thing, you know. She said, that's all right,
Speaker 1: that's all right. She said, she you're scared she had me.
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? She said, I thought
Speaker 1: that was a dude, A funny. I'm not Fenna having
Speaker 1: that ship. Man. You know what I'm saying. She said,
Speaker 1: I would. She said, you scared she had me? She said,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a dude. I wasn't really deal
Speaker 1: with all that. You see what I'm saying. One thing
Speaker 1: is one thing and the other thing is the whole number.
Speaker 1: She basically yeah, just because she was kind of like
Speaker 1: on edge, you know, she was trying to think about
Speaker 1: what she wanted to me. But she realized it wasn't
Speaker 1: a dude. She probably was like, don't get back in
Speaker 1: there and finished, so so so short you we're fine.
Speaker 1: She looked me straight in the eyes and said, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you know hey, all right, it's cool. Had me right now,
Speaker 1: question a question. You're in your room, you get caught
Speaker 1: with your pants down. Mom closed the door. You actually
Speaker 1: finished and then went out. Mm hmmm mmm. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you. You know you're gonna finish. Let me let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, bro. You finished after she walked
Speaker 1: in the room. I mean, I'm weak, and so she
Speaker 1: walked out of the thing. You stop, its right, Let stop.
Speaker 1: When she closed the door, she's there. You got a
Speaker 1: couple more strokes and after man, let me bullshit, Tommy,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, but I had to stay in the
Speaker 1: whole summer for her. No, the whole summer. Say, Mike
Speaker 1: will get it in. Let me tell you something, bro,
Speaker 1: My mama would walk in now while I'm a grown
Speaker 1: ass man taught me do or some ship. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be nor most team left in my boat, like you're
Speaker 1: a bold. Mother wouldn't post be home. She was there.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't post be on. Man, how does a guy
Speaker 1: from rolling for Mississippi make it to the national international stage.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you get that? Get the
Speaker 1: Hollywood were Greenville, Mississippi. It's near. It was down in
Speaker 1: the in the in the in the delta. Yeah, down
Speaker 1: the delta. I ended up. I got left in the
Speaker 1: trash when I was a kid, when I was baby,
Speaker 1: eighteen months old. Man, your your story, your story from
Speaker 1: where it starts to where you are now, there's nothing
Speaker 1: short of remarkable. And I mean I was. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna bring that part of the story up. But eighteen
Speaker 1: months walking right walking into eighteen months in a trash
Speaker 1: can mm hmm for somebody to grab you and adopt
Speaker 1: you and make you their own and you call them
Speaker 1: your mother and and dude, and and for you to
Speaker 1: start there and end up here? Man, have you ever
Speaker 1: have you ran into your parents from? Oh? Ship? I have?
Speaker 1: I was like thirty nine, I had I had my
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old with me. Oh he now he
Speaker 1: was a baby. You know. So my mother who raised me.
Speaker 1: I found my mother and didn't tell me she found
Speaker 1: her because she used to work for House and Urban Development.
Speaker 1: She used to work for for welfare basically well for housing.
Speaker 1: So Section eight all a right, so she my mother, right,
Speaker 1: your mother adopted she was whitey. Yeah, yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you call the lady they gave birth to you? Tommy Jane? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's rag all name. Go ahead to the country. You know,
Speaker 1: she gave my mother gave me a new name. Because
Speaker 1: my name really is Anthony Anthony Reid. I'm Anthony Reid
Speaker 1: of the Reds from Greenville, Mississippi. Oh you see. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So everybody they see me at the airport, it's a
Speaker 1: slew up all black, the whole you know. Some of
Speaker 1: them looked exactly like you know, and they like, that's Tony.
Speaker 1: That show is Tony. That gotta be Tony. Look look
Speaker 1: at him. That is Tony. That's what they call me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The ones that knew her
Speaker 1: brothers and her you know when I was you know,
Speaker 1: and and and my brother. My brother is if I'm
Speaker 1: my brother, probably about ten years older than that, he
Speaker 1: like six, he said, maybe sixty eight. He was nine
Speaker 1: when when he lost me. See who told you the
Speaker 1: story of the trash car? Uh? My mother finally, finally
Speaker 1: she told me because she told me she did. She
Speaker 1: found me physically there because she was in Mississippi in
Speaker 1: sixty six with her husband there from four College Colorado.
Speaker 1: They saw Kennedy on TV. Kennedy said, if you look
Speaker 1: back on this time in history, did something about the
Speaker 1: race problem. They were teachers. They were teachers at Colorado
Speaker 1: State with the cowboys, you know that, you know. So
Speaker 1: so they said, let's go, let's go and do something.
Speaker 1: So they found imminent immunization program in Greenville where they
Speaker 1: you know, Emmy and as children and voting drive for
Speaker 1: the black community. So they went down there in Greenville
Speaker 1: and did that. They did it for like a year.
Speaker 1: They met my mother and she was doing voting drives
Speaker 1: and she was young, she was like maybe two. She
Speaker 1: already had five kids, you know, twenty two good looking girl,
Speaker 1: that's my mother said, you know. And so she worked
Speaker 1: with us. She had a lot of zeal, you know.
Speaker 1: And they left, but they were doing something else and
Speaker 1: they had to go through Greenville. So she said, let's
Speaker 1: go see Tommy. So they went down there and they
Speaker 1: said she gone, she gone, but we think she left
Speaker 1: her youngest son at this house. So my mother knows
Speaker 1: e she d gonna go over there, you know, over there,
Speaker 1: you know, she went over there. It was kids in
Speaker 1: there doing drugs, getting drunk, batting house. So she got
Speaker 1: out of there fast. She walked out. She told me
Speaker 1: that she saw a pile of trash on the side
Speaker 1: of the house that she was walking out. She said
Speaker 1: something told her to look under the tire. There was
Speaker 1: a top tire on top of trash. So when she
Speaker 1: lifted tire up, she saw my foot sticking out the trash,
Speaker 1: sticking out the trash, and she moved it. I was there,
Speaker 1: you know, flies unconscious, you know, yeah, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: in the coma. Who knows how long. They took me
Speaker 1: to the hospital. I stayed there for like sixty days,
Speaker 1: you know, and they don't know if I was gonna live.
Speaker 1: I had cuts, institusions and my skull and ship like that. Right,
Speaker 1: So I recovered enough. And so she couldn't find the
Speaker 1: mother or the family. So she went to the city
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I'm gonna take them. They said we'll
Speaker 1: go ahead, and she did. That just shows the reciliencing
Speaker 1: in this man. Bro. You just refused to give up. Man,
Speaker 1: that's that's so inspirational. Man. Listen, and we all have
Speaker 1: our crosses the bad, right, and we people don't know
Speaker 1: people's story. They just see people and they think they
Speaker 1: know people based on whatever they know them as to
Speaker 1: be as a professional or whatever. But they have no clue.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even have a clue. I knew a
Speaker 1: little bit about your past as for us, like being
Speaker 1: adopted and stuff like that, but I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the depth of it. And that's heavy.
Speaker 1: That's how we heavy, That's how I went. So I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was black. Explain that that's why you're
Speaker 1: comedy white. I know, that's why your comedy is so hilarious, bro,
Speaker 1: because they took what you were given and you you
Speaker 1: you took limits. It may lemonade bro like it's funny
Speaker 1: now you know you can look back at this ship
Speaker 1: and laugh at it. Bro Man expound on that that
Speaker 1: you didn't know you was black in what regard, No,
Speaker 1: because I didn't know what happened. I didn't know because
Speaker 1: when I got to Colorado, you know, I didn't really
Speaker 1: the only thing I really remember as far back as
Speaker 1: I can remember, because I can remember a Christmas tree
Speaker 1: and I remember going out there. Due to Christmas Tree,
Speaker 1: I was like through four now you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Colorado. I ain't know about white.
Speaker 1: I was just a little kid and there was a
Speaker 1: little truck under the tree. I grabbed the truck, and
Speaker 1: my father came out and said that you gotta get
Speaker 1: that later, and I went back to bed. That's like
Speaker 1: the much as I remember about where I was. See,
Speaker 1: so my sister's white, my brother's wife, my mother's white,
Speaker 1: my father's wife. But I'm not thinking that white because
Speaker 1: it's just my brother and mother and sister and father. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're thinking that your mother naturally had you, right,
Speaker 1: because I grew up in in Wyoming, in Colorado, so
Speaker 1: so up to four up to five, okay, so you
Speaker 1: know that's farms and streams and animals and all kind
Speaker 1: of ships. So I thought whatever I was, I was
Speaker 1: a brown one or whatever we were. Because the cat
Speaker 1: could have a white cat, could have kittens to have
Speaker 1: a black one, a gray with a speco on the brown,
Speaker 1: so I'm a brown one. Or a horse could be
Speaker 1: a white horse and have a black colt. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm brown, I'm a brown one or
Speaker 1: whatever we are. That ship was over because they broke
Speaker 1: up and we moved to d C. When I got
Speaker 1: the d C. I found and I was black. Seem
Speaker 1: what happened? We got the d C for anybody who's
Speaker 1: from Washington. We moved. We moved to Trinity South, Uh, Trinidad,
Speaker 1: Northeast Okay, northeast Washington. We moved there in six eight,
Speaker 1: right when King got shot, like two days after he
Speaker 1: got shot. Riots fires. Me and my sister were in
Speaker 1: the station wagon. My sister bro, we're on the ground,
Speaker 1: tear gas like all that stuff that just happened. I
Speaker 1: saw it when when I was a kid. That's the
Speaker 1: first thing I saw. I'm like, wait, where are we right?
Speaker 1: So we finally settled in the neighborhood. My mom says,
Speaker 1: there's a pool down the street. These kids are gonna
Speaker 1: walk you guys over there. You know we kids, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, man, the black kids kicked our ass. Man,
Speaker 1: they jumped us. I'm five, My brothers like eight. My
Speaker 1: sisters were twins. She's the same age. They beat our
Speaker 1: ass all the way home, and they were saying white
Speaker 1: cracker and white cracker lover right, and they kept happening.
Speaker 1: We stopped going down the pool. I had you know,
Speaker 1: we're fighting all the time. I'm a white cracker. Lover.
Speaker 1: Finally I went to my mother. I said, why are
Speaker 1: they saying I love white crackers because I like Graham crackers? See,
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, I guess she's gonna tell
Speaker 1: me now right. That's because people who are your color
Speaker 1: when they don't like people but they don't like people
Speaker 1: are color, they called them white crackers. You know. I said, well,
Speaker 1: what color am I? You know? She said, you're black?
Speaker 1: Who I said, No, I'm not black, I'm brown. She said, nah,
Speaker 1: but that's what we call y'all. I said, but that,
Speaker 1: but that's not the real color I learned in the
Speaker 1: crownds and brown. She said, yeah, I know, but that's
Speaker 1: what we call y'all. And that's so we moved because
Speaker 1: I mean, I never forget this. My fucker's would come
Speaker 1: my brothers, like nine black dudes come boom, busting in
Speaker 1: his mouth, take his bike, and you ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: you know, I'm watching this happen. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm small. I always wanted to wish
Speaker 1: I was bigger because I couldn't do nothing, you see.
Speaker 1: So we moved to the suburbs. Weach in Maryland. For
Speaker 1: anybody who from d C. Then you started getting it
Speaker 1: from them. Now I'm I'm being chased by grown white man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: into the house, truck full of truck full of adults.
Speaker 1: Nigga kill them running just getting in the house. They're
Speaker 1: throwing stuff through our window, I mean, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I go to my mother, I said, who are
Speaker 1: these niggas? We gotta stay away from him. And we're serious,
Speaker 1: you know, And we're serious. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, man, hilarious man, man, yeah, yeah, yeah man.
Speaker 1: And she explained it, that's what our people call your people.
Speaker 1: We didn't like them. I said, well, what color? You know,
Speaker 1: we're mine and all of this. She said, you're black,
Speaker 1: you know. So I was like, this is stupid. I can't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of ship happened to me during that time,
Speaker 1: man from white guys fucking with me and just all
Speaker 1: kind of ship that I had to do right. So
Speaker 1: we finally moved to the neighborhood. I grew up in
Speaker 1: Silver Spring, Maryland, which is like right on the D
Speaker 1: Street d C line. DCS here, my neighborhoods here. And
Speaker 1: was this intentional for your mom to try to it was?
Speaker 1: She moved me right to the cusp. It's white and black,
Speaker 1: but it's there, you know, And that's where I grew
Speaker 1: up right there. So we're black enough to be Washington,
Speaker 1: white enough to be all Right, you see what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's balanced right. The white boys chased me, man,
Speaker 1: because I don't know nobody in that neighborhood. When me
Speaker 1: and my sister, it's like a movie. We me and
Speaker 1: my sister moved to to h Silver Spring. We went
Speaker 1: in by bear Room. We should love music, man, My
Speaker 1: sisters love music. So we put on remember that song
Speaker 1: Ball of Confusion by Temptation, Do Do Do Do Do
Speaker 1: Do Do? Do you know? I love soul music even
Speaker 1: back then. Who we made this song? Uh, we're fit
Speaker 1: to do that, man. And it's a whole new anyway,
Speaker 1: so so so so so um um. So I had
Speaker 1: my radio. You know, I was always up with the
Speaker 1: music because my mother had me listening to everything because
Speaker 1: I was real talented, even when I was little, like four.
Speaker 1: You know. The black people they kind of liked us
Speaker 1: because they're like my mother. It wasn't the ones that
Speaker 1: knew my mother. Was the ones that ain't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that we had to deal with. So
Speaker 1: I'm on the table with a spoon doing say it loud.
Speaker 1: I'm black, and I'm proud I could do the Mustang,
Speaker 1: all of all the dances, read the Franklin you know,
Speaker 1: change chain, chain, I know all that. So and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm five. You know, I'm five. I had this back
Speaker 1: back then. So I get we go to the window.
Speaker 1: We actually sit out the window. We're looking at this
Speaker 1: new neighborhood, right, and the music playing, people moving out,
Speaker 1: people moving in. Yeah, all because of the color of
Speaker 1: the skin. Yeah, run run run, But okay, I do
Speaker 1: loose do do do Do do do? But confusion do
Speaker 1: do do do? And me here in the window, like
Speaker 1: do do And I'm years later, I'm fifty seven and
Speaker 1: and and and it hit me. You know that moment
Speaker 1: me in her head, you know what I mean? You know,
Speaker 1: and it was it was man because you know, we
Speaker 1: grew apart man too, because you know, and this happened
Speaker 1: to me this morning. I got off the show. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm black, but I really and I said, nigga, you
Speaker 1: black with you? You know what I mean? But but
Speaker 1: what goes on in my head? You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm listening to some other voice that's telling me
Speaker 1: because I was raised by white people, I ain't really black.
Speaker 1: That's a societal side. Okay. My mother is the one
Speaker 1: who told me I'm black. M m. You see, she's
Speaker 1: the one that taught me about black. She's the one
Speaker 1: that gave me say it loud. I'm black, and I'm proud.
Speaker 1: I remember first grade. I went to first grade. You
Speaker 1: had to say the pledge allegiance. It's the first time
Speaker 1: I'm in first grade, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: moved from here to here, and now we're here at
Speaker 1: the same the new school. When the second huh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I was in second I was in I was in
Speaker 1: seven grade. Second, let's seven grade. Yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: need to save grade. We can talk about you know
Speaker 1: what that thing, you know what I mean. But you know,
Speaker 1: and so we gotta learn you know, first grade. You
Speaker 1: gotta learned that. You know, our player of leading judi flat,
Speaker 1: you know. So I put up the black belfish and
Speaker 1: the teacher was like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 1: Black teachers? Did you go on the principal's office. Don't
Speaker 1: do nothing like that in my room. I went down
Speaker 1: to the principal's office. This when I found at my
Speaker 1: mother's crazy. Principal said, oh, so you you think you're
Speaker 1: really funny doing that? Huh, you call your mother. My
Speaker 1: mother came down and she was smiling, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's when I discovered she kind of crazy, right. She
Speaker 1: was like, what's the problem. He said, he put up
Speaker 1: the black power fist in the class, and my mother said,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? He said that were they're learning
Speaker 1: the pledgere lation, she said, but that's all he knows
Speaker 1: about him. He knows he's that, he'll do that. He'll
Speaker 1: learn what you want him to learn. But that's what
Speaker 1: he knew about him. He's there to learn what you
Speaker 1: gotta tell him. But he's black, he's proud, and that's
Speaker 1: what he knows. That's the first that's the first seed.
Speaker 1: She knew I could read to read good and I
Speaker 1: was and seven eight could read a book. She knew
Speaker 1: I could, so she Malcolm X Biography and Malcolm X
Speaker 1: lean her Horn, Bury My Heart and Wounded Knee. I mean,
Speaker 1: just handing me books, she said, I know you can
Speaker 1: read it. I read it, talk about it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that was starting to because I
Speaker 1: remember the time she was on the porch and I'm
Speaker 1: over with my friends black neighborhood, you know, and she
Speaker 1: had to come back to the house. She told me,
Speaker 1: you talk so drive now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: She told me talking abound. She said, yeah, you just
Speaker 1: got this thing about you were you you know, this
Speaker 1: is another thing, you know what I mean. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know that's me. She said, yeah, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it is. But you know, get that little thing, which
Speaker 1: is not a problem. What became a problem was and
Speaker 1: I had to fight from my sister. My brother was
Speaker 1: never ran. See he's older than me. That fight for
Speaker 1: my sister is to be like five black girls twelve
Speaker 1: years old. We're like eight nine. He said, We're gonna
Speaker 1: whip your sister ass for no reason, for no reason,
Speaker 1: My my sister and I'm fighting, you know, four or
Speaker 1: five black girls by my self taking asks whipping a
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. And I'm still like defending her. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm probably like around
Speaker 1: about because I didn't started really changing as a person.
Speaker 1: I ain't really because man, when I moved, when I
Speaker 1: moved to Maryland, you know, I was a really good lottle,
Speaker 1: like I knew, like I was a good kid. I
Speaker 1: had friends, like I loved everybody. You know, it was
Speaker 1: like it was. It was when I turned eight, all
Speaker 1: all all, all the black people from DC started moving
Speaker 1: into my neighborhood. You see what I'm saying. Even though
Speaker 1: the neighborhood was mixed, was mixed with African and all
Speaker 1: of this, I had to deal with a whole another thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I even turned my back on my little friends. Man.
Speaker 1: It liked me so much, man, because we're not when
Speaker 1: when when I was fighting by myself okay, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't big enough, okay, but I hooked up with some boys.
Speaker 1: So my friends when I we we all met when
Speaker 1: we were nine. We've been friends since we was nine.
Speaker 1: So we was that that, you see, Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: that that was different from me than my brother. I
Speaker 1: was different than my brother. I was different than with
Speaker 1: my sisters in that way. Is your brother and sister
Speaker 1: still you know reachable today? My brother's my brother died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you and your sister really still close? Man? And her
Speaker 1: like Bonnie and Clyde. I told you we're like twins.
Speaker 1: Is your mom still no? She died too, So it's
Speaker 1: just us too, just me and my sister. Sorry, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always think about them. This morning it was just us.
Speaker 1: Said no, I had met them. I got. I got
Speaker 1: to like real, I got, he said, dollars blood, Yeah, blood.
Speaker 1: I got four sisters and two brothers. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that we're grown up. I've never
Speaker 1: seen my black family. You know. My family was that
Speaker 1: family you know with your siblings you grew up with.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was two. It was three
Speaker 1: my brothers, sister and me and my mother because they
Speaker 1: broke up, so it was just us, you know. So
Speaker 1: that's when I started to change. But I didn't change
Speaker 1: for the worst. I just you know, we broughatly of
Speaker 1: our environment, you know, so I just had to do
Speaker 1: what I had to do as as as a as
Speaker 1: a a black man in American man. Hey, you got
Speaker 1: the information, and hey, you know we we we we
Speaker 1: we you know in the neighborhood. You know, now I
Speaker 1: got them six. You know, we think of Steve's so
Speaker 1: ain't the more jumping me any more? That? Yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: we was fair. You know, we had to. Somebody has
Speaker 1: something within one of us or whatever they can straighten
Speaker 1: it whatever, but no one else is gonna you. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna tell you. So I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think people should jump. People don't want I mean I want,
Speaker 1: I want it. No no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: you win. You gotta win that finish. I said, you
Speaker 1: win by any meaning. If I if I know my
Speaker 1: I know my brother fin to fight some dude that
Speaker 1: I know they can whoop my brother. We ain't taking
Speaker 1: the whales, bro, now hold on, We're not taking their
Speaker 1: old on. And that's the truth. Now, I said. With us,
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, if it's a one on one situation, whatever,
Speaker 1: but no one could come up to us if we're
Speaker 1: not in my neighborhood. No one can come up to
Speaker 1: us if it's the one on one one of us.
Speaker 1: If you got two people that want to fight, it's different.
Speaker 1: If it's two people that want to fight each other
Speaker 1: and y'all want to go ahead, go head up. But
Speaker 1: you're talking about trying to ride on my people or
Speaker 1: something like that, that's gonna be a totally different stories.
Speaker 1: Is that I give you. I give you an example
Speaker 1: for my sister. My sister. All right, little du Jerry,
Speaker 1: you know you know short stocky whatever. You know, you're
Speaker 1: like we like we like to Joan and DC. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they call it here they call it.
Speaker 1: They call it the Joan here ranking here Joan and
Speaker 1: is busting in LA or whatever. Your dozens of snapping
Speaker 1: in New York whatever. So you know we did that.
Speaker 1: So she'm whipping your ass at the school. You do
Speaker 1: it to Jones and I mean, huh, you go to
Speaker 1: j King at d C. We got the Jones after
Speaker 1: this ship is over. Yeah, I'm the king. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. You saw me last name.
Speaker 1: I'm the King. I'm a professional. That's like me going
Speaker 1: to Jordan's. That's like, that's like me going to Michael.
Speaker 1: Jordan's said, let's play one on one man. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: ain't handled towards growing up up, we all we did well,
Speaker 1: talked about each other. Man. So after you know, damn
Speaker 1: where I got going? You better because I was gonna
Speaker 1: get on your head. But go ahead, right, you're done,
Speaker 1: You're done. You've got twenty minutes beyond. So so um,
Speaker 1: you know after it's an example. You know me at
Speaker 1: the bus stop, everybody want to see it. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody there, everybody there he's you know, it was bigger
Speaker 1: than me. But you know, whatever, right, I'm holding my own.
Speaker 1: But I tripped over the sidewalk and it was a faucet.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a knob on it, and I failed
Speaker 1: and I hit my head. You know, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: when I looked up, he was right white flash. I
Speaker 1: looked man, my sister and then then when when it
Speaker 1: was over, they all they jumped them, you know what.
Speaker 1: My sister was like, whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so it's like, you know, when you're in that
Speaker 1: situation that that don't make you black neither white, but
Speaker 1: identified it as such, you see, identified it as such
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything else other than you
Speaker 1: become who you are from whatever. I mean, you you
Speaker 1: built out or whatever. But I was in that value
Speaker 1: system where I was thinking, I'm talking about me. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, in order for me to be black like
Speaker 1: the dudes that I grew up around, I had to
Speaker 1: be that, you see. So I went and did trifling things. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I did all kind of stuff, and my
Speaker 1: my mother was moving away from me. Man, she was
Speaker 1: like she wasn't understanding what I was going through. Really
Speaker 1: what I mean. But this is what I want to know, Like,
Speaker 1: how how is it that you so like willingly accepted
Speaker 1: that if I want to be black and identified with black,
Speaker 1: I gotta act like a criminal and do these crazy things,
Speaker 1: but not associate that with whiteness. Because white folks are
Speaker 1: criminals too, Like they do a lot of they commit
Speaker 1: a lot of crimes. Yea even been made. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm just in my little pot trying to survive. And
Speaker 1: you also probably you also probably being having these type
Speaker 1: of negative thoughts about black people being reinforced by the media.
Speaker 1: You're seeing certain things in the media and hearing certain
Speaker 1: things at school, probably even from teachers or something, because
Speaker 1: because I know some of those teachers are, they could
Speaker 1: be as as bad as any enemy that you could have.
Speaker 1: It could be. Uh. I thought you was the drummer
Speaker 1: from the muppage man. Yeah, you know, scam me. I think,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Man? For those of you
Speaker 1: who can you cannot see it? Yeah, animal, yeah you know. So,
Speaker 1: So if everything everything is as you learn, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: hindsight is always I was in that situation, you see,
Speaker 1: even though I knew better, it doesn't matter because I
Speaker 1: was in this situation. So I had. I had read
Speaker 1: Claude Brown Man Child in Promise Land. Right, it's a book.
Speaker 1: It's about Claude Brown, who was in the detention system
Speaker 1: in New York City, you see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I read that probably when I was probably about oh,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, Okay, what do you
Speaker 1: went through? That? Is that? That the other thing? And
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And you know, my neighborhood
Speaker 1: was Weed neighborhood and Coke neighborhood. You know, uh, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you know use these whatever DC we boxed. That's we're
Speaker 1: like in Florida like football, you know, right, And in
Speaker 1: the Texas they like football, you know. You know in
Speaker 1: d C we like boxing. Yeah, that's that's that's what
Speaker 1: we do. So it's about what you got here, you know,
Speaker 1: So learn what you need to learn, you see. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking all of this but knowing it's it's it's
Speaker 1: God man that I got put in the in the
Speaker 1: right soil, in the right soil and then had the
Speaker 1: kind of experiences that I had to be able to
Speaker 1: come to the river the revelations to understand the things
Speaker 1: he's talking about. And it took a little minute because
Speaker 1: I was putting them all together, because my family was
Speaker 1: helping me put them together. See, white people are with
Speaker 1: the camera. There are nothing and not the same, you know.
Speaker 1: And if I take that attitude, then I'm against a
Speaker 1: whole lot of people with a whole lot of power.
Speaker 1: I gotta take a look at individuals, even though they
Speaker 1: don't got to do that with me. But for me
Speaker 1: to be able to negotiate my way around, I gotta
Speaker 1: be able to do that because because I found not
Speaker 1: that our distinction is just this. So I'll give an
Speaker 1: example from last night. I was at the club. We're
Speaker 1: having a good time. He was there, Ladies said just
Speaker 1: that and everything right, And so a group of black
Speaker 1: people came up to me and there was from cameraon.
Speaker 1: I know about cameraon. I'm I'm exposed to cameroon because
Speaker 1: the people I work with been there before this that
Speaker 1: another thing. And I had a whole separate kind of
Speaker 1: conversation with them, a whole separate kind of conversation with
Speaker 1: them then I would have with us, because we're a
Speaker 1: different brand a black people, although we're black. Okay, Like
Speaker 1: I Hatian in Miami, y'all in the h I'm a
Speaker 1: niche because of what happened with me. I'm a nigologist, Okay,
Speaker 1: a nigologist. I ain't find out about y'all. I ain't
Speaker 1: find out about y'all. Tell like, y'all, tell y'all because
Speaker 1: the only thing I knew was that Artie Bill and
Speaker 1: Drells about Houston. Billy who Warren Warren y'all? Yeah, how
Speaker 1: how I'm just saying blowing that with the Bills Thorough
Speaker 1: we call him Thorough Campbell, Thorough Campbell, tear away Jersey,
Speaker 1: watch out, Donny Shell Bam. That's what I knew about you,
Speaker 1: but I ain't know using like this though, I ain't
Speaker 1: know you was like DC. When you come from where
Speaker 1: you come from, you think you you know, you're the
Speaker 1: only little corner, you know what I mean. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna tell y'all. Yeah, you know, DC is, like I said,
Speaker 1: the biggest market. It's like at first, I second big
Speaker 1: fluctuates between d C in Chicago, Man Cleveland there too,
Speaker 1: now well clean, yeah, the Cleveland is Yeah. If you
Speaker 1: say it like that, then you also have Dallas is
Speaker 1: in there and Houston is in there. But I didn't
Speaker 1: get to see it, like we just made it. We
Speaker 1: just made it a really we made a nice solid
Speaker 1: market um in in all of the neighborhoods that that
Speaker 1: are reflected, you know, the same images that were reflected
Speaker 1: in our our neighborhoods. They love us. Yeah, and y'all
Speaker 1: was able to do that and that motherfucker sound. See
Speaker 1: that's where I said, oh, yeah, no, I can't go
Speaker 1: down there, like you know, no you go down They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm regulated or whatever. Like I'm thinking, I am anyway,
Speaker 1: what you gonna do? Right? But but I didn't really
Speaker 1: really really know that it was like that here. I
Speaker 1: I even came here. I even came here um earlier
Speaker 1: doing comedy before we live in color. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And didn't know that. See, so your eyes
Speaker 1: get open to how similar we are, you see what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I even heard it just the other
Speaker 1: day and it just hit me about the song. It
Speaker 1: just hit me about the song my worst fears I
Speaker 1: may come real in my head. That's the song. That's
Speaker 1: the song, But it's each of y'all's interpretation of that ship.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, And I ain't even we've
Speaker 1: all been there, rabbits whatever, we've all been there with
Speaker 1: you might think this that that you might be and
Speaker 1: you're thinking it's real. Man, he's talking about on fans.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, dude, I do do do. I
Speaker 1: learnt dings a doo doo doo ding dootings do doom,
Speaker 1: I learn loom d dooms. Won't play, don't walk the link,
Speaker 1: won't do I'll do do do. Okay, that's what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: Speaks a whole lot of language. Man. I never quite
Speaker 1: hurt that nobody backed on the eight a weight like
Speaker 1: that much. You know, they're like, doom do A little
Speaker 1: lootle question, Man, at what point does the comedy start
Speaker 1: in your life right away? At what? At what point
Speaker 1: do you because, like you said, you were Jones Jones, right,
Speaker 1: But at what point do you get there and you
Speaker 1: say I want to do that for a living? What
Speaker 1: are you doing at that moment? I got lucky, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got lucky. Um. I got a job at the
Speaker 1: Remota end okay Um as an assistant chef. I had
Speaker 1: an apartment, two cars, had doson beat you ten and
Speaker 1: and Toyota Selleca and the Remota n page you like that.
Speaker 1: I made it work. I made it work because I
Speaker 1: got thrown at the house when I was fourteen because
Speaker 1: my mother found all this stuff under my bed. She said,
Speaker 1: you can't come back until you get a job. And
Speaker 1: I went out there thinking, oh, man, I don't even
Speaker 1: you know, I could just hang now. And I went
Speaker 1: to live with the guy who used to keep us
Speaker 1: out of trouble, you know. And so me and my
Speaker 1: friends decided we're gonna stick up a mopad shop. I'll
Speaker 1: tell my daughter that this morning, because you don't want
Speaker 1: to listen. She fourteen, So you know, at everybody, I
Speaker 1: get caught, I get brought back to his house, right,
Speaker 1: but he run everything and he's embarrassed me. Man, we'll
Speaker 1: be in the rex cent and playing pink pong or whatever.
Speaker 1: He said. Man, y'all, hey, man, lead that lead that
Speaker 1: boy along. He would have been through some ship. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why he keeps saying that? Man? He was saying, Bill,
Speaker 1: what you keep telling him? Mad man? He said, you
Speaker 1: have But at the time I'm not knowing right. But
Speaker 1: he loved me. Man. I went to live with him
Speaker 1: and his family. I wouldn't go home the next day
Speaker 1: because man, they clean mooning. My mother made his clean up,
Speaker 1: you know. But I thought it was cool. I get
Speaker 1: to hang out and all of this. Right, the police
Speaker 1: brought me to his house, he says, something never forget.
Speaker 1: I walked in the house. You know. The police took
Speaker 1: me to his house, not to jail, right, And he
Speaker 1: came out the back. You know, is sight right. I
Speaker 1: had later reform me to put the dog on me,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know whoever was trying to you know.
Speaker 1: So so he come out the back telling my daughter
Speaker 1: that this mom made her remember me telling her that,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know. So so he came out the
Speaker 1: back and they said, Mr, you know, Mr mcmiller, this
Speaker 1: is your son. And he said, yeah, I was kind
Speaker 1: of scared. He said, yeah, yeah, it is, it is
Speaker 1: it is. He said, all right man, Well he's all
Speaker 1: yours man, He said all right man. So when I
Speaker 1: closed the door, I thought he was gonna be like, nicky,
Speaker 1: you need to do and do you know, he turned
Speaker 1: his back went back to bed. He did even look back.
Speaker 1: He said you know what time, he man, one day
Speaker 1: you got to take responsibility for your goddamn south and
Speaker 1: went to bed. That's the first time they just started thinking,
Speaker 1: how did y'all rob the moped place? What did you
Speaker 1: I didn't. They never let me carry one. But the
Speaker 1: other guys, my friends never did they go to jail. No,
Speaker 1: they got away. They got away. You brought you home
Speaker 1: instead of sitting right right. Yeah. So so he says
Speaker 1: to me, I'm I need you to the point though.
Speaker 1: How I got lucky. But this was a small town.
Speaker 1: It was this DC. Yeah so so so so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm fourteen right from tent from we met when he
Speaker 1: was nine. Okay, so and I'm with them all the time,
Speaker 1: you know. So he turns his back and he says,
Speaker 1: one day you gotta take response before you goddamnself. Man.
Speaker 1: And it had an impact on me, you know. And
Speaker 1: his older his older son had a job at a hospital.
Speaker 1: He he had he had the hospital scrubs and brand
Speaker 1: new Ada white of DTAs. He needs to be the
Speaker 1: cool dude. So we're out there fighting and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I come home. You know, yeah, we've been fighting.
Speaker 1: We've been fighting, and he's like, man, that's why I
Speaker 1: stopped going out there with him. Niggas say what you
Speaker 1: know I'm thinking? You know, yeah, he told me, look,
Speaker 1: you know you got job this summer. You know, chain gun,
Speaker 1: you lost your shoe. He said that with him, and
Speaker 1: it started occurring to me, like, so my mom to
Speaker 1: let me back in the house. But I had to
Speaker 1: get a job. So I got my first job and said,
Speaker 1: I have my friends. You should laugh at me because
Speaker 1: I come home with them. I haven't pancakes stuff on me.
Speaker 1: They like jeans and theaters, you know they you know
Speaker 1: he he, he used to call me. You know, he
Speaker 1: was very dough boy and ship you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, whatever, Yeah, he got a blue dart
Speaker 1: with him. How many times you get in the mom
Speaker 1: so so so I built myself up, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't build myself up, but that helped. So I
Speaker 1: ended up with an apartment. See, and my friends ain't
Speaker 1: come over to my apartment. They come for a second
Speaker 1: and gone, you know, doing whatever they're doing. So my
Speaker 1: friend Howard, who grew up with me, I called him
Speaker 1: when I got this job from her outer end. Howard
Speaker 1: had Lemon brothers and sisters. You need the poorest, dude,
Speaker 1: I know. I mean they had moving blankets on nate bed.
Speaker 1: You know the blankets they used for when you moved.
Speaker 1: That was on their bed. Yeah, that was their bed.
Speaker 1: My grandmother made those with my great great grandmother made those.
Speaker 1: They were quilts. Yeah, yeah, just big giant industrial. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had them on their bed. They didn't have nothing, right.
Speaker 1: So I grew up with him, you know, and he
Speaker 1: always thought it was funny. He always thought it was talented,
Speaker 1: you know. And I called him because he were my
Speaker 1: best friends to know him since I was eight or whatever.
Speaker 1: He moved a lot, he and I called him. I said, man,
Speaker 1: I got a job as a rebody and man as
Speaker 1: an assistant. Yeah, he told me, and you the stupid
Speaker 1: and Nick, I haven't met my motherucking lifetime. You're trying, mom.
Speaker 1: He said, you can be in Hollywood right now because
Speaker 1: Eddie's Murphy's Delirious came out, you know. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: you're getting funk with you. He said, man, you're funny
Speaker 1: as hell. Do you know that? Man? You can be
Speaker 1: doing this, you can be doing that, and you can
Speaker 1: sing and you get this. And I'm like, man, you man,
Speaker 1: you ain't got no job. Right called me. He said
Speaker 1: he's the worst strip club in DC. He called me
Speaker 1: and said I talked to manager and letting me on
Speaker 1: stage at the Penthouse. I was like, I ain't going there.
Speaker 1: And there he said, man, come on, came out of
Speaker 1: my house, took the bus to my house. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: leave out the house with him. Boom, my radiator buses February.
Speaker 1: He got on the bus, looking right at me, sat
Speaker 1: me back next week. You may be ready this time,
Speaker 1: I radiot to fix. He come over. I go to
Speaker 1: the club. Right walking to the club, the managers, I
Speaker 1: got lucky man. Man, you just standing there right. Man
Speaker 1: just said this the dude right here man and how
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that's him. He said, you got five minutes, man,
Speaker 1: he said, the worst strip club in d C. Right.
Speaker 1: So I turned to Howard. I said, man, Howard, what
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? You look at me?
Speaker 1: He said, I don't care what you do. Just say something.
Speaker 1: I swear because God is my witness. From the first
Speaker 1: thing I said, people died laughing, and I never stopped.
Speaker 1: How killed in that place. How do you get people's
Speaker 1: attention at a strip? You got dudes that they did
Speaker 1: all that interested interested in? Is that's right? Right? All
Speaker 1: that interesting and it's getting money right at this point
Speaker 1: for five minutes that nobody's getting no money. Nobody's getting
Speaker 1: no honey. How do you get their attention. I did
Speaker 1: you know I did. I just told I just told
Speaker 1: him a real story. Do you remember it? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you say? I said my mother? I said, we had
Speaker 1: roaches a lot of roaches everywhere in the house. My
Speaker 1: mother told us, you know, if you clean up the kitchen,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have no roaches. So she made us stay
Speaker 1: home all weekend and clean the kitchen, and sure enough Monday,
Speaker 1: we had no roaches. Right. But I found out they
Speaker 1: was eating our couch because when me and my sister
Speaker 1: wind to watch cartoons, we looked on the hill and
Speaker 1: the move they moved from the kid into the couch,
Speaker 1: and many they roared in that bitch and everything I
Speaker 1: said was the real you see. And it was like
Speaker 1: I knew singers and what nobody doing singers? You know.
Speaker 1: I found out nobody was doing singers afterwards. But I
Speaker 1: knew how to do these because I used to do
Speaker 1: when I was little. So my mother will say, stopped
Speaker 1: and she said stopped all that, you know, until she
Speaker 1: saw outro one time on TV. She said, do that again.
Speaker 1: She said, you might have something there, you know, But
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. But I was around when
Speaker 1: this song first came out. I so tired of belong
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of being wrong. Don't you helped me?
Speaker 1: Girls soon as you can. You know I used to
Speaker 1: do that when I was a little kid. You know,
Speaker 1: umdunes done real well whatever, We're there, girl, you got it,
Speaker 1: you know. Deeba deeba. Here the looks off on my face,
Speaker 1: sweet on, sweet on the Carolyn lousy is on my face, Sweeter,
Speaker 1: I'm sweet. You know that's from Soultree watching it, watching
Speaker 1: Berry watching so I had it. It was it was
Speaker 1: like like opening the can and it was like all there,
Speaker 1: you know, peeboe me. He just turns into a totally
Speaker 1: different person. Feel the fire, yeah, you know, to get
Speaker 1: the balloon polluting the wounds, Google liding blue, blue, loom, looming, banging,
Speaker 1: ain't bound. It's a shame that when you went the
Speaker 1: man edge man. It's a shame. Wy you hurt me.
Speaker 1: You know it wouldn't that, nobody wouldn't It turned into
Speaker 1: a totally different person, man, turn into a very different
Speaker 1: person on it. How many times do you play this
Speaker 1: strip club before you find your way into a comedy club?
Speaker 1: Like shit so much? Yea? And what's the name of
Speaker 1: this comedy club Penhouse d C Georgia Avenue, right right
Speaker 1: down street from Howard University and it was the worst.
Speaker 1: They had the guards outside. He had t shirts swear
Speaker 1: the teachers on the back seat don't shoot me. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know as a joke, you know, you know it
Speaker 1: was right there, right there. And how long do you
Speaker 1: play this comedy club before you moved to Where do
Speaker 1: you go first? I don't. I don't never play comedy club.
Speaker 1: I only went to DC, only played one comedy club
Speaker 1: or two and the comedy club I went to, I
Speaker 1: met Martin there, I met Dave Chappelle. There no at
Speaker 1: a comedy club the first time I went to a
Speaker 1: comedy club and DC. Somebody said, you need to go
Speaker 1: to comedy club. Well, pen Houses a comedy club club.
Speaker 1: I actually like, when when's the next time you went
Speaker 1: to a Okay, like four months from from that to
Speaker 1: four months comedy club? Yeah, but I was killing in
Speaker 1: there and I was killing that concerts. He promoters found
Speaker 1: out about me. So you so you go to so
Speaker 1: you go to the comedy club time and you meet
Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence, he's there, You're on the stage. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got on stage and he loved it. Did you really
Speaker 1: know each other really, Yeah, he hadn't know hol Eddie
Speaker 1: Murphy Kit. How long did you? How long did you play? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He had you know, the Deaders were just right and
Speaker 1: then Golden Head? How long? How long did you play there?
Speaker 1: Before you catch the break? And what's the break? Who
Speaker 1: gave you a break? All black men gave me to
Speaker 1: break All black man. It started with Robert Townsend. He
Speaker 1: saw me. He put me on Partners in Crime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he saw you. He saw me at the clubs in
Speaker 1: l A. I'm trying to he gonna move. So I
Speaker 1: started doing so good in d C. I started opening
Speaker 1: for concerts Freddy uh Uh, Melbournemore, Evan Champagneking, Patty Bluebell.
Speaker 1: So I'm sort of getting known throughout the city. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Also, did Go Go music, So
Speaker 1: Little Go Go album it was hot one summer for
Speaker 1: the whole summer. Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I had that.
Speaker 1: So I'm bubbling, you know. But I never played a
Speaker 1: comedy club, so people said you need to play a
Speaker 1: comedy club, which I never played before. So I have
Speaker 1: a comedy club. It was different, you know than what
Speaker 1: I was doing. So the first comedy club. I went in.
Speaker 1: Martin was there, Dave Chappelle was there. First time I
Speaker 1: met him. I did comedy. I did good. I think,
Speaker 1: what's the comedy? Um, I think it's Garvin's. So Dave
Speaker 1: Chappelle actually been talking about it on YouTube about the
Speaker 1: first night that he met me and Martin you've been
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, at Garmen's right, he gave me a
Speaker 1: good compliment. I appreciate that too. That's my man right there.
Speaker 1: He be kind of scared of back in the day.
Speaker 1: He used to live in my neighbor who he grew up.
Speaker 1: Long story, so so so, so I went to the Apollo.
Speaker 1: I said, you can, you can win the Apolo. So
Speaker 1: I went to Apolo and Apolo was different. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like TV and TV the clown come out all the time.
Speaker 1: The real Apollo, the clown never came out because everybody
Speaker 1: was serious. So I went down to the last person
Speaker 1: on that just doing comedy. I'm being singers, I'm making everything.
Speaker 1: So they want to sign me, you know, I go,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make a record deal with you. To say
Speaker 1: to ohing. But I've met a brother named st Clair Jones,
Speaker 1: my first manager, a really good friend of mine, and
Speaker 1: he told me, hey, man, you can do it all.
Speaker 1: He said, you could do movies, TV, you can write
Speaker 1: your own ticket. I'll take you to l And I
Speaker 1: paid for your ticket for like a week and you
Speaker 1: like it, would you let me manage you? I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we went out there s everybody here, came
Speaker 1: off everywhere we went in l A. Over. Did you
Speaker 1: ever play bird Land? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I used to.
Speaker 1: I used to go. I'm trying to say if if
Speaker 1: I haven't, was the turnout, yeah, because I used to go.
Speaker 1: At one point I started I would go to bird
Speaker 1: Land any weekend that we wasn't on tour and I
Speaker 1: didn't have something to do, I would fly to bird
Speaker 1: fly to l A. And I would live with my homeboy,
Speaker 1: Reggie Johnson was middlewe champ of the world. So I
Speaker 1: would live at this house in Lone Beach and we
Speaker 1: go to uh to Bland on the weekend. And man,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about everybody, Yeah, yeah, de yeah, all of us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was liked who else, Jamie, Jamie, all these guys,
Speaker 1: all these people. Man, you know that was the place
Speaker 1: none of us had TV shows, nobody had Yeah, tell me,
Speaker 1: so you saw it? You saw it. You saw that.
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, that was get on the stage for
Speaker 1: fifty bucks. You know what I'm saying, I go and
Speaker 1: sometimes free if if it was a crowded man, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do what you gotta do. Burn Land, I mean,
Speaker 1: anybody that missed that, that was an experience. That was
Speaker 1: one of the greatest comedy experiences for me because Birdland,
Speaker 1: if you with the bird Land, the heckless sometimes was
Speaker 1: better than the act on stage. To be ready, the
Speaker 1: heckless was cold. Be ready there would l know what
Speaker 1: I about Long Beach neither, you know, that's what trought
Speaker 1: me about Long Yeah, Oh my god, I got me cavil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so so you so you you played Long Beach
Speaker 1: and you started playing on the club And how does
Speaker 1: in Living Color happens? Because that's what we got introduced
Speaker 1: to New York or l A New York, I mean
Speaker 1: l A because Jennifer Lopez is from New York and
Speaker 1: she was a dancer on there, so traveled across the
Speaker 1: country too. She used to go to Keenan. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they were in a relationship when she got one.
Speaker 1: I don't know that, you know, I want to be
Speaker 1: on record. It's nice saying that's because that she got
Speaker 1: that she that you know what I mean. But I'm
Speaker 1: mad I mat her in New York. But they were dating.
Speaker 1: At some point he brought her to me, I mean,
Speaker 1: my trailers drinking business man of my business. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm here, come on, come on, my
Speaker 1: trailer man. He brought her up and there I was like, man,
Speaker 1: so he brought up. He brought up to offer her
Speaker 1: to you know, he brought her this dude with wasn't
Speaker 1: offer you know what I'm saying. But I was working
Speaker 1: with Hallie, so I was you know, said yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was working at Halley. My boy Papa was my boy.
Speaker 1: Me and Pappa me puffing and have we up all
Speaker 1: night at the clubs New York. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it, that's it's a situation. Yeah. Andre Horrell to
Speaker 1: produce in the movie. It's I'm right there. You know,
Speaker 1: he was running up town and h Andre uh, Andre's
Speaker 1: best friend Russell, you know, yeah, Puff was Andre's assistant.
Speaker 1: Puff was my person on the movie who takes me everywhere.
Speaker 1: Was my sitting and all that. So you know, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling good at this point, you know he did it
Speaker 1: was your assistant. Yeah, I'm a movie. Start now. Listen,
Speaker 1: boys and girls. I don't say like that, man, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna rub it. I'm not gonna do it
Speaker 1: like that. I'm just letting people know that there's levels
Speaker 1: to this. You know, some of these youngsters and stuff,
Speaker 1: they want to come into the game and they want
Speaker 1: to start all the way. If they can't get to
Speaker 1: if they can't start at the top, they don't even
Speaker 1: want it, and so and so. You know, this is
Speaker 1: indicative of what could happen, and you humble yourself. I
Speaker 1: got humped by him. Yeah, yeah, I humble by him.
Speaker 1: Humility is well, humility is something that you know, you
Speaker 1: tied that around like a belt around you. Like forgiveness,
Speaker 1: you gotta carry it rich Man. It works if you
Speaker 1: use it, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it works if you use it. It's like having a gun,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, don't take it out nless you
Speaker 1: mean it or whatever, because what happens when you take
Speaker 1: it out? You know. But forgiveness and humility works the
Speaker 1: same way. But there's not disaster behind it. You know,
Speaker 1: you get to get to live more fulfilling life because
Speaker 1: you know you have bullets in your life chamber that
Speaker 1: help you grow as a person and understand, so you
Speaker 1: don't turn the stone thinking, oh, this person is here
Speaker 1: and I'm here now and he was here if you're
Speaker 1: thinking in levels, and I'm glad you said that, because
Speaker 1: it's levels. I knew he was smart from Jump Street.
Speaker 1: I knew Puffy was smart from Jump I knew it
Speaker 1: from Jump Street because he took me all the clubs,
Speaker 1: all the New York clubs, underground clubs, and he was
Speaker 1: telling me, we we're riding down there. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: this this this group ain't even signed, Tom, you gotta
Speaker 1: see them. I was like, really, I go down there
Speaker 1: leaders in the New School, busting all of them. And
Speaker 1: he told me we got some good m season in
Speaker 1: the group. Man, and I've gone in there a couple
Speaker 1: of times. He said, but I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: bust man. I think Bus gonna be the one that
Speaker 1: break from that. I mean, I was like, Noah, I
Speaker 1: like to see Brown. Dude. Brown got nice with it.
Speaker 1: He's like, Nah, busting is different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's why I went by Nick is mad. I get
Speaker 1: more boots to Nash trade fu the fed wall to
Speaker 1: get him on the fast way ski masks where nigga
Speaker 1: rass some no damn him hands damnit nigga boom boom
Speaker 1: more gun and Rods is rolling in and then busting
Speaker 1: my flag your ear leaf. See hey, hi, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that he knew that back then. He
Speaker 1: was telling me before they was even signed, and the
Speaker 1: years that they became stars. And then Buster did the
Speaker 1: what the remix of flavoring Year of Craigs with l
Speaker 1: Boy Scout uh Big who was in the jump. You
Speaker 1: know you like sports bro like you know, it was
Speaker 1: like I got taught to in in in a in
Speaker 1: a continuum, you see what I'm saying, Because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, you discover how small somebody is over time.
Speaker 1: He said that, you said, and I bet Buster back
Speaker 1: then and we don't go to clubs and all that.
Speaker 1: I knew him back again, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: But I hadn't seen you know, I knew that he had.
Speaker 1: You know, but when you're see him with a group
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know what I'm saying, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: but puff knew that Pop saw that. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's not the individual. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: in a producing role, then that's how you need for that.
Speaker 1: Saw how you need for that because you're packaging stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you're going for you know,
Speaker 1: you know your slave, Uh either either you slave purchaser.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: tell by his shoulders what country is he from? You
Speaker 1: goett kid him six? Um, yeah, he's you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. In order to get him all on one place,
Speaker 1: to get the cotton out, you gotta know the you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So so that's and he told
Speaker 1: me at a high top fade and I had to peek,
Speaker 1: you know, he said. And we ride into to say, said, yo,
Speaker 1: cut that you should cut that. You know. I was like, Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't cut my peak. Man. He said, yeah, but man,
Speaker 1: on screen, that's gonna look big man. I was like, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm from DC. Mannna keep my you know you're from
Speaker 1: New York. I'm from DC. Right right at the premier
Speaker 1: of the movie when the movie, you know, I got
Speaker 1: on the screen. Man, this thing was like it looked
Speaker 1: like a shark fin on my booking four. I said
Speaker 1: that it's smart. He got an eye what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when you're saying that, you're right, you see. But
Speaker 1: I learned that from Mario van Peebles, another legend. I mean,
Speaker 1: not Mario Melvin were both both of a legends. But
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the plane coming back to Canada and
Speaker 1: I'm on the down, you know, I'm going through whatever,
Speaker 1: everything bad, right, and I'm going back to l A. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to myself, Man, I had I had kind
Speaker 1: of a bad, bad experience with Booty Call, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm going home. This is a joke movie. You're crazy,
Speaker 1: Jamie turned that shot out, I said, the experience so
Speaker 1: so so I get back. I'm going back from Canada
Speaker 1: to l a five hour flight and I'm in my
Speaker 1: head and I'm you know what I need to do? Max?
Speaker 1: You know I mean that I'm down, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: go back home with the kid. What was the bad experience?
Speaker 1: Before we get too far away? Bad experience just trying
Speaker 1: to reach out to stuff that wasn't up for me.
Speaker 1: M hum, reaching out to stuff that wasn't helping me
Speaker 1: that I thought would help me instead of getting into detail.
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff out there. You know, the Bible
Speaker 1: talk about a yokes, you know, snares, you know, snares
Speaker 1: out the forest and the foxing his business and bam,
Speaker 1: coax a snare elaborate on. You know, you got to
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep that. Okay, I'm gonna keep it too
Speaker 1: to sufferer, you know, get taught what I got taught to.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that snare, I never you know,
Speaker 1: that snare is like a little thing that's put out
Speaker 1: in the forest. The fox is having a good time. Wham,
Speaker 1: ain't paying attention, he ain't going nowhere, you know, and
Speaker 1: that stuff put out for us. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: snares somebody, somebody, somebody's listening to. You know, the whole
Speaker 1: nine yards ain't anyway. Somebody somebody's listening right now, going like, man,
Speaker 1: tell me deep. You know, anytime you say something, man,
Speaker 1: you know, very time you say something sorry, any time
Speaker 1: you come on back your animal, any time you say
Speaker 1: something where people can't understand it, they'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: that's deep. Man, that's deep. You know. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. Caught up on what's there? I get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And you know I'm in
Speaker 1: that the only way to Canada. Yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 1: l A. Okay, I'm going from Canada to l A.
Speaker 1: Coming down, and I'm like coming down, coming coming coming
Speaker 1: off a bad off, a good experience, bad you know,
Speaker 1: coming down of me, coming off of me. Just trying
Speaker 1: to to deal with the situation at the time. So
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in the plane like it's another day.
Speaker 1: But so Man was in the playing and he told
Speaker 1: me come here. Man. I never met him. Man. I
Speaker 1: sat down next to him. He told me everything about me.
Speaker 1: He took five hours and talked to me like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody daddy though you would expect that from the daddy head.
Speaker 1: But he knew the numbers, he knew my stats, he
Speaker 1: knew you know. But he told me. The main thing
Speaker 1: I can sum it up. He said, you got your
Speaker 1: own audience. M hm, you're good. You know, whatever you're thinking,
Speaker 1: it ain't real. You got your own audience. You know
Speaker 1: what moves them. So if you fashion your game for
Speaker 1: your audience, you can take it any direction you want
Speaker 1: to go. You got very talents, take those talents and
Speaker 1: craft them into places where your audiences are, you know,
Speaker 1: and you can do that yourself with the help of
Speaker 1: your respensation, not not with them doing it for you,
Speaker 1: because you're the one who knows your talent, and you're
Speaker 1: the one who knows you. And then he told me that,
Speaker 1: he said, I did Street Bags, badass song, and I
Speaker 1: was the first black dude to make a movie before
Speaker 1: the black explotation started. He said, that was a serious movie,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Then they started making Shaft
Speaker 1: and all this stuff aboutdrug dealers and all that, But
Speaker 1: that was a serious movie, you know. But it started
Speaker 1: a movement. Brothers got paid. It was also another dimension
Speaker 1: of our neighborhood where we did have that going on
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, you got a reflection of that
Speaker 1: happening now, right. But he told me, he said, so
Speaker 1: I got paid for this thing, man, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, man I was famous, man, and and and
Speaker 1: and I had money. You know. I got a big
Speaker 1: old new house. My family could do some things, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then somebody asked me on
Speaker 1: a TV Digest interview, how did you get to the top,
Speaker 1: And he told me, he said, y'all, motherfucker's wouldn't let
Speaker 1: me in at the bottom. Mm hmm. You said, your
Speaker 1: top is your top. Your top is what you make it.
Speaker 1: That changed everything. That one conversation changed everything, Man, schooling
Speaker 1: right now, that one conversation changed everything. So how did
Speaker 1: you how do you get that? How did how do
Speaker 1: you get to that audition? Um? I had when I
Speaker 1: got the l When I got to l A, I
Speaker 1: was the number one out of North Carolina, like number
Speaker 1: twenty three. You know what I'm saying, like national champ
Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, yeah, j B yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Right, So so so I am j So
Speaker 1: I had all these deals on the table. Damn. I
Speaker 1: had what I wanted. Man, you number okay, so you
Speaker 1: number three? Job pick jo number three? Now join with
Speaker 1: number three. You've was number one? Uh right right right?
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's understandable. You know. Is that region
Speaker 1: still still Georgia fans still? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. So So anyway,
Speaker 1: I worked my ass off, me and st Clair Jones,
Speaker 1: and we found out what it was that made me
Speaker 1: take I worked my butt off at comedy. I found
Speaker 1: my skills. I worked on it seven days a week.
Speaker 1: I worked in a little Delhi, you know, I did
Speaker 1: what I needed to do. I got finally to the
Speaker 1: main room the comedy room, main room. You get you know,
Speaker 1: three years, ain't let me in comedy store. Comedy story
Speaker 1: and let me in the comedy store. That's key because
Speaker 1: I finally got called by them. Yeah, on on a
Speaker 1: on the weekend. They said, you got that. You're you're
Speaker 1: You're in the main room and on this weekend. So
Speaker 1: really he said, yeah, you Richard Pryor Eatie. He said, okay.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, well then do you
Speaker 1: want me to see the intros when you want me
Speaker 1: to be there? And said, no, you're on the show.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm on the show. How long they want
Speaker 1: me to do? He said, you're doing a half an hour,
Speaker 1: You're doing a half hour, Eddie's doing a half hour,
Speaker 1: and Prior is doing a half I said, okay, well
Speaker 1: what time I gotta be there, you know, to do
Speaker 1: intros for it? He said, no, Eddie comes on first.
Speaker 1: Hell no, you come on second for first and second
Speaker 1: show Friday night, first Shore Friday Night. Eddie comes on first,
Speaker 1: you come on second, Prior goes on last. Second show,
Speaker 1: Prior goes on first, You come on second, Eddie goes
Speaker 1: on last, and the same thing Saturday Night. It was like, seriously,
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah. I was like, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, are you closed behind Prior
Speaker 1: and the first first the first night. Yeah, so she
Speaker 1: was in the middle of both both nights. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: was coming behind Prior. Let's go. Oh, let's go. You
Speaker 1: had to write some new stuff, if you when it's
Speaker 1: in me by that time, I'm like, I've lost my
Speaker 1: apartment and you know, in d C, I was my cars.
Speaker 1: I had to drive a button, take the bus for
Speaker 1: the first time, and like since I was like I
Speaker 1: don't know when, like, hey, I was admitted rice and
Speaker 1: and and and pizza on a good day after have
Speaker 1: him out, you know what I'm saying, working in the
Speaker 1: game whatever. So I'm like, all right, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, uh, Jordan's net Championship game that
Speaker 1: that series with Boston when he has six year Okay,
Speaker 1: oh man, huh huh right, So it's over everybody there,
Speaker 1: Stevie wonder you know, because I'm in there now. I
Speaker 1: went from burn Steve. Everybody was there. Man, it's Eddie
Speaker 1: and it's Eddie and Prior. So it's a Saturday night
Speaker 1: at the college when the comics at the comedy store
Speaker 1: didn't have TV shows yet. Sign Feil's in the main room.
Speaker 1: Rose Hand's in the main room, Jim Adam Sanders in
Speaker 1: the main Uh uh, Michael Keaton's in the main room.
Speaker 1: What's his name? Life like a box of chocolates. Um
Speaker 1: Hanks is in the main room. They all stand up
Speaker 1: movies in the main room. Wait wait, wait wait, So
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks was a stand up comedian before he became
Speaker 1: in the main room. So I'm in the main room
Speaker 1: from from Whoopy Go very funny on stage as a
Speaker 1: stand up. Really, she's a killer, she's the real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it was, I got to watch
Speaker 1: all of them. See I came out there from d C.
Speaker 1: And since I pay my dudes in our little rooms,
Speaker 1: we run to the main room. Just okay. And the
Speaker 1: next day about it, you know, how do you like
Speaker 1: how he did that? He was like my, my, my
Speaker 1: sense a man. So by the time I got that
Speaker 1: main room shot, I was like, all right, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go. I gotta standing ovation. Every night we're in
Speaker 1: the little closet. We and we in the green room,
Speaker 1: ring room, green room, got the bitches and the food
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, yeah, they got prior to he
Speaker 1: got that Joan and they the hottest. So we're a
Speaker 1: little closet right, never forget this. So I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: with my boy. You know. We then came out there,
Speaker 1: he wrote my Lissa his Nissan Sentra, you know, my
Speaker 1: big gass TV. We drove out the l a not
Speaker 1: knowing nobody. So here we are a little, a little cubicle.
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there. We're talking, not to disturb, no
Speaker 1: camera angles. So I'm sitting there and Prior walks up
Speaker 1: to me. He looks me up and down and We're like,
Speaker 1: you know, and he shook his head. He looked at me,
Speaker 1: he said, use a funny motherfucker, man, and just walked away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And me and my boy was like, oh, I called
Speaker 1: my mother. I said, Mom, Mom, no proceed. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a funny motherfucking And she was like, I told
Speaker 1: you not to leave. I told you not to leave.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't let me leave. I want to go. I
Speaker 1: want to go home because it was just tough, you know.
Speaker 1: So from there I got all these big deals with Disney.
Speaker 1: I was I had a part on Murphy Brown without
Speaker 1: even auditioning. Okay, um um, I had all these opportunities.
Speaker 1: I had a pilot with Eddie Murphy's company to do
Speaker 1: coming to America as his Little Brother of his TV
Speaker 1: series on CBS just came out. People put it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know. It was a tough experience, but none of
Speaker 1: it happened. None of it happened, none of it. So
Speaker 1: we went back to the clubs, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I get a call from my agent. Agent said, Keenan
Speaker 1: got a show called it a Living Color was Liken
Speaker 1: right now. We're just back in the clubs doing this
Speaker 1: And my agent told me, what's your audition? You get it?
Speaker 1: You get it? You don't, you don't. I was like
Speaker 1: a he said, just go. So when Keen is there
Speaker 1: with all the people, you know, and they're watching me,
Speaker 1: and they asked me to do improv. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how to do improv, but I knew all my life.
Speaker 1: So they said, man, hey, have a good one. You
Speaker 1: know what. I'm like, hey, because I don't not got
Speaker 1: auditions before the Different world. It was me Alfonds were
Speaker 1: berrow and and Kadeem Hardison who got it? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Kadeem got it? You know, It's like yeah,
Speaker 1: Codem from a different character. Right. It came down to
Speaker 1: me and cadem I didn't get it. So I figured,
Speaker 1: this is another one I didn't get. But I must
Speaker 1: keep working, you know, keep working. And and then we
Speaker 1: got a call from a Living Color. They said there's this.
Speaker 1: I'll say. My agent said, how do you do? I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think I did too well. Man, He said, well,
Speaker 1: don't worry. This is there's a stand up audition at
Speaker 1: the laugh Factor tomorrow night. Is it? Really? Said? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He told me to line up. It was thirty of
Speaker 1: the comics that everybody. No, guess who's number thirty? Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me the ball. I don't know about no, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: Yes I do. Uh. Jordan's uh chef chef chef uh
Speaker 1: uh Yankee grets the great You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ray Robinson, Okay, now I know about that, right, I'm thinking, Hey,
Speaker 1: but I know what I know about this. And I'm
Speaker 1: thirtieth and I'm thirty and I'm regardless of I get
Speaker 1: this show. Somebody getting hurt tonight. What's the whole crowd
Speaker 1: still there? Did the crowd stayed at the time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was everybody, Martin Man, Yeah, is everybody you know,
Speaker 1: and you went on and this was not an audition.
Speaker 1: This was an audition. I thought I blew the sketch thing.
Speaker 1: He said, well, there's another audition. They're doing two auditions. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're doing two auditions doing sketch. What andy doing it?
Speaker 1: So I grow up? And that's by stopping thirties? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Me? And and he always used to
Speaker 1: train me like a boxer. So I'm on the sidewalk
Speaker 1: everybody else inside She's like, let's do it again. Do
Speaker 1: it again, man, do it again. Take me through it,
Speaker 1: Take me through me. Take me through a john, take
Speaker 1: me through it. Magame on, take me through it again. Man,
Speaker 1: we want sade w boom boom boom boom boom boom
Speaker 1: boo boo boom boo boo boo boom. Take me through
Speaker 1: it again, man, take me through it again. And every time,
Speaker 1: you know, once in a while a friend of mine
Speaker 1: to come outside and say, hey, man, you can't do
Speaker 1: that thing that you do. Man, because which mccon did it?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, So I'd be like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: all right, you know he's that man. I don't pay
Speaker 1: no attention. Then, man, come on, man, run the ship.
Speaker 1: Running ship time. You know it might come out and
Speaker 1: you can't do the thing thing thing because somebody else
Speaker 1: did that. Man, all right, man, don't worry about that. Man.
Speaker 1: Come on, let's run it time. Man. They said my name. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. I really don't remember the set.
Speaker 1: I don't. But all I do is I remember this.
Speaker 1: I knew what I couldn't do, right, but the comedy
Speaker 1: got in the sky. Robin Givings was real hot at
Speaker 1: the time, her and Mike Tyson, right, and RoboCop was
Speaker 1: like the number one movie, right. So I did this
Speaker 1: thing with Robin Gibbons as robo Cop with Tyson and
Speaker 1: murdered it. It just came to me standing ovation keen
Speaker 1: to lead up, leaned up. He came out to do it.
Speaker 1: He said, Man, I ain't telling nobody, but it's what
Speaker 1: you got it, God damn got it. And they were
Speaker 1: all these comics were auditioning for. Yeah, yeah, only the
Speaker 1: best of the best. Guy on there. Yeah, the uh
Speaker 1: it was l It was everybody that goes to Burland,
Speaker 1: Jim Jim, Jim Carrey. He wasn't here. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the ones who did not I know who. Jamie wasn't
Speaker 1: in but he but he would we know that did
Speaker 1: not make it? That was that John Lego Zamos almost good. U.
Speaker 1: I didn't think Robin Harris. Robin Harris is good. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know T Kane and you know what Stay um
Speaker 1: k is good. David Allen Grier. No, I'm saying David,
Speaker 1: they made the show. I'm saying who who did not?
Speaker 1: Trying to see but who did not make the show
Speaker 1: that we know. I'm gonna see everybody. Lego Zamo, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say everybody. Man did you know? Because I can't
Speaker 1: really because I was so I was so in it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I know that it
Speaker 1: was when when we started the cast, it was like
Speaker 1: twelve people. Then they took a damn from twelve to
Speaker 1: just us. See, I'm more interested in knowing who those
Speaker 1: people were, just you know, for the sake of the
Speaker 1: people on the our side. Like no, I know, I
Speaker 1: wish I could remember they went through all of that
Speaker 1: in spite of these people still perfectly Yeah and look
Speaker 1: at them now, I like your angle, Yeah yeah, because
Speaker 1: it ain't over till us all. But never so the
Speaker 1: people that are on there, Jamie wasn't even in town
Speaker 1: yet nobody heard of what Jamie foxx Well said entertainer
Speaker 1: or even a Bernie mac but never played on in
Speaker 1: Living Color later or whatever. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Jamie was in Hollywood around that time because they was
Speaker 1: playing Birdland. Well he wasn't, because we're talking, you're talking
Speaker 1: it built up from built up from AD seven, so
Speaker 1: A seven built up from them comics. Jamie got there
Speaker 1: probably about the ninety one ninety one at the at
Speaker 1: the most, but he wasn't a party of like the
Speaker 1: all pro squads. Yeah, you see by that time, you know,
Speaker 1: we've been playing, playing, playing playing. But he was good.
Speaker 1: He was good. He was real good. I remember Jamimes.
Speaker 1: I remember one of his first, very first jokes. He's
Speaker 1: talking about his grandmother being afraid of AIDS. Like he
Speaker 1: was like talking about his grandmother like being like really
Speaker 1: really afraid of anybody with AIDS. And he was talking
Speaker 1: about the time that he was in the bathroom, uh,
Speaker 1: playing with himself and and uh and his his his
Speaker 1: his grandmother knocked on the door. Jamie, I hope you're
Speaker 1: in and that hope hen that playing what your self?
Speaker 1: You know it that's how you get them AIDS. But
Speaker 1: he just kept going away. It was dudes on a
Speaker 1: totally different level even way back. And the crazy thing
Speaker 1: about all these cats that were playing that burn Land
Speaker 1: you're watching, you was in it. You're watching Magic Man.
Speaker 1: You're looking at these guys, and you said, you see
Speaker 1: every single one of these guys on in an arena
Speaker 1: by themselves, Like this guy could play that arena by himself. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's I mean, it's the same with y'all. You know,
Speaker 1: we just came in a really good time. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we came in a really good time. We came during
Speaker 1: we were, we were, we're we're the new Black Renaissance.
Speaker 1: Anybody anywhere from eight six to nine and from ninety two,
Speaker 1: two thousand three or four, that's the renaissance. That that's
Speaker 1: the the renaissances. It's a French word for um new beginning,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that that renaissance for them,
Speaker 1: they called it the renaissance. Because the Black More's were
Speaker 1: in Ata Louisa. They got thrown out after being there
Speaker 1: for seven honey years, bringing them grapes, tomatoes, lemons, animal stalls,
Speaker 1: most importantly algebra, algebra. They you know, they also brought
Speaker 1: them um um gunpowder stuff to change Europe. But mainly
Speaker 1: it was the library in Cordoba, which was the library
Speaker 1: that had all these Arabic texts from Africa thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of years old. So the French took those Arabic
Speaker 1: texts and translated them into French so that all that
Speaker 1: knowledge was now available to Europe because they were in
Speaker 1: the dark ages, you see. So they called that their renaissance,
Speaker 1: you see. And then the first then that when the
Speaker 1: English finally by the English time, the English, uh turned
Speaker 1: that stuff into English. They had a renaissance. They they
Speaker 1: started the first university in Europe, Oxford. So there their
Speaker 1: renaissance ain't nothing, but uh so i'm old for us,
Speaker 1: with with with with that. Our renaissance wasn't old something
Speaker 1: but old for us. But it was brand new for
Speaker 1: us because the seventies from sixty nine, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's about seventy nine when Good Times came out. That
Speaker 1: was a renaissance, and soul renaissance what he took and
Speaker 1: renamed our music. It was called soul music. And Smody
Speaker 1: coming with R and B. R and B was the
Speaker 1: oldest ready and all them, you know, so old man,
Speaker 1: that was that the soul is is man drill sholights,
Speaker 1: brightest side of darkness, art building drills cameo earth when
Speaker 1: you fry uh parliament, Uh sun brass, construction, mass production.
Speaker 1: That that's soul. Somebody said his R and B took
Speaker 1: that soul off of because it was called soul. Because
Speaker 1: what so soul? Marvin Gate, what's going on? You get
Speaker 1: albums that Gil Scott hearing, You get albums that you
Speaker 1: get to grow from. You see that renaissance coming off
Speaker 1: another renaissance, but coming out of that seventy nine, what
Speaker 1: about eighty crack or whatever? You know, gotta be a
Speaker 1: new beginning somewhere. You see about eighty six eight six
Speaker 1: seventy nine started the hip hop thing, not the whole one,
Speaker 1: because it started in seventy seven. In my eyes, because
Speaker 1: I was in New York m hm, seventy six. The
Speaker 1: first time I heard rap myself and I'm from d C.
Speaker 1: What's the first song? You heard? The first? Wraps on
Speaker 1: her on Wax the first song period I heard him
Speaker 1: on cassettes. I don't know. It was some brothers from
Speaker 1: around the block. They just was was mixing tapes and rapping.
Speaker 1: The first one I heard on wax was spoony mm students,
Speaker 1: students speeding down the street when they pushed my brakes,
Speaker 1: when it seemed to find girl maybe ship or artis
Speaker 1: from the south, from the north, from the east to
Speaker 1: the west. Come on, did you got to go out?
Speaker 1: And yes, yes, y'all, that's the first I heard or
Speaker 1: or um um do lu doo do do do lu
Speaker 1: doo do do do lu doo do do do. That's
Speaker 1: the joint. I was HEARDing it from uptown and I
Speaker 1: was before a sugar Hill gang. The stuff I heard
Speaker 1: on wax was the funky for treacherous melle melingmousah turcher
Speaker 1: four plus one more plus one more rock hit the top,
Speaker 1: don't hit the top and k K and out here
Speaker 1: you ain't c k K. We're gonna we've been breaking
Speaker 1: to the break to day. We're gonna go all the
Speaker 1: way k K checking out, y'all. You don't you know
Speaker 1: I was hearing that. See that was that was me
Speaker 1: in d C. They dined years before the is before
Speaker 1: the butt. Yeah. You mentioned Richard and and Eddie at
Speaker 1: the comedy store. Right, and these are two guys to
Speaker 1: comment giants that are on my mount us more right,
Speaker 1: who's on your mount Rushmore for comedy them too? Um, Dave,
Speaker 1: it's pretty funny, yeah, Dave said, he that's what you said, Rushmore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I says, right, Well, my my Brushmore would consist of
Speaker 1: people that ain't my contemporary. You see. So I would
Speaker 1: I would put, I would put, I would put, I
Speaker 1: would put prior numero Oh no, I put, I put Uh.
Speaker 1: Eddie he died for a second with Red Red Fox
Speaker 1: was it was from a whole another Rid was doing
Speaker 1: comedy fifty six years. Yeah, the albums and all that. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: these albums he clips prior you know, prior albums came
Speaker 1: out of the seventies. Man, Red was back in the fifties. Man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna train. Have you ever worked with Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: in the movie in movies? Nope, let's run off this
Speaker 1: this Nope, And I wonder about that. It's round. I'm
Speaker 1: gum coop. So we got Eddie, we got Richard, we
Speaker 1: got we got Red Fox. I put Red Um, I
Speaker 1: put Dick just on the strength of what he brought
Speaker 1: the comedy. Okay, what he brought the comedy he brought,
Speaker 1: he brought, he brought consciousness. How are we gonna do
Speaker 1: without that, you see, Um, I'll put Robbing on that beach. Harris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you got five reconstructing Mount Rushmore, just on the
Speaker 1: strength that you know, he's off the head, he's he's
Speaker 1: he's a kid like you like he like um, like
Speaker 1: Reddy moss Man, like you know, you can't do nothing
Speaker 1: with him. You understand. The game is so good. You
Speaker 1: can tell him that he run his own bass patterns
Speaker 1: like you know, he just got that easily, got that thing.
Speaker 1: You can't really you can't. You can't teach that. You know.
Speaker 1: That's my Rushmore. I got several. But you know there's
Speaker 1: a white Rushmore too, Robin Williams. Uh, George Carlin, a
Speaker 1: guy named um uh no, no, he crushed water Millen.
Speaker 1: I'm talking. I'm talking about uh Charlie Fleischer. The voice said,
Speaker 1: Roger Rabbit. Yeah, stand up, I understand, stand up. You know,
Speaker 1: I understand the craft. You know, I understand the craft
Speaker 1: of standout is good. Yeah, it's it's what he can
Speaker 1: bring to were only on an hour, half an hour?
Speaker 1: What you can bring to an hour? Where can you
Speaker 1: bring to the table George brought you know? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had that that that knowledge what's that boy, they said,
Speaker 1: He said, uh, he said, they check your pist. He said,
Speaker 1: seven eleven, opened twenty four hours a day, has a
Speaker 1: lock on the door. Having eleven is open twenty hours
Speaker 1: a day and it has a lock on the door. Yeah, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: right right? Is that that's sublime? But since I'm a
Speaker 1: student of the whole thing, so I got several rush
Speaker 1: rush mors. You know, I'm like, I'm like Bruce Lee,
Speaker 1: you know, don't turn into Bruce Lee on the show
Speaker 1: Man Easy, cowboys, don't don't. Earlier, I said, I don't
Speaker 1: want to affect any camera angle. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: cameras six cameras. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, y'all can cover me. Okay,
Speaker 1: y'all can cover me. Y'all got y'all gouts covered. No.
Speaker 1: But but but the genius thing about him was, you know,
Speaker 1: is that he studied each form of it. He studied
Speaker 1: each form of it, He studied each form of martial arts.
Speaker 1: Boxing is boxing is a martial art. Boxing is an art,
Speaker 1: you know, it's art with gloves in a ring and
Speaker 1: rules and a ref and this technique. But judo akido
Speaker 1: is about weight moving weight around. Karate uh, kimpo, and
Speaker 1: all of those are like empty hand. They're called empty hand.
Speaker 1: That's being able to defend yourself with nothing in your hand,
Speaker 1: no weapon, you see what I'm saying. And then you've
Speaker 1: got the other more extravagant forms like kung fu. Kung
Speaker 1: foo is called time. Come fuo is called time. That's
Speaker 1: the name of it. So they watched animals and nature
Speaker 1: so long that they were able to take all the
Speaker 1: traits that they saw and put him into a defensive form.
Speaker 1: He took all those put them all in one form.
Speaker 1: He took the best of all of them and put
Speaker 1: it into one. So I was wondering, can I do
Speaker 1: that with comedy, you know? And so that's what I've done.
Speaker 1: If you see my show, you don't know if you
Speaker 1: don't know if this is the beginning or the end.
Speaker 1: You don't know if I'm making this up or it's real,
Speaker 1: because it is, it's all one. What is speaking of?
Speaker 1: What's what's imaginary and real? What? What? What do you
Speaker 1: believe is the greatest misconception about Tommy Davison? M hmm,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I guess I would say that
Speaker 1: people don't know how really skilled I am as a
Speaker 1: comic as as a stand up comedian. They don't really
Speaker 1: really realize how skilled I am. I think that's the
Speaker 1: average person though. But people that no comed understand skill. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think that. People in the business, no that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that other comics know that. You know,
Speaker 1: because there's different brand's, different brands different But I disagree.
Speaker 1: But okay, dirt dirt dude, you can do your joint
Speaker 1: from me on that. Do do do? Do? What is
Speaker 1: a lot of little fluke? What the hill is at? What?
Speaker 1: I never knew? I knew that was slick, though I
Speaker 1: knew that. I knew that was slick. Though I knew
Speaker 1: it was slick, I knew it was slick. Tell me, man,
Speaker 1: how do you I heard it before? Now, not heard
Speaker 1: that exact riff, But you hear the songs, you know
Speaker 1: the bas break something. You know you heard it, but
Speaker 1: y'all took some over the only reason why I can
Speaker 1: identify what the ship that you're doing is because I'm
Speaker 1: a musician. So I hear this ship, but don't don't.
Speaker 1: Did you do that in class like a school? Did
Speaker 1: you do that in the in the first grade? Did
Speaker 1: you get sent to the principal's office. For I could
Speaker 1: see it when Howard said that to me, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I got lucky. Did you do it like after you
Speaker 1: finish your work, because you're a smart guy, you know,
Speaker 1: so you did it after you got your work done.
Speaker 1: And then you were trying to say he didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: You see that, you see this, you see I know
Speaker 1: for I did it. Yeah, we wanted the same what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm saying because you're a comic, I'm
Speaker 1: a musician. But that's a whole another, that's the whole,
Speaker 1: another gig. And Willie is a fighter. I know that.
Speaker 1: I'm a comic, musician and a fighter. He's not funny,
Speaker 1: he's not funny, but you're funny. I'm not funny, Willie,
Speaker 1: And you're not funny. But you don't understand you're funny.
Speaker 1: I'm not funny. I'm not funny. Funny. That's not funny. No,
Speaker 1: but he's not saying that. He's in that Robert the Neork.
Speaker 1: I'm funny, funny, funny Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole another, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're on the whole another thing here. Yeah, man, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming out for having man, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been always wanted to see that and talk to y'all.
Speaker 1: Why because I saw what y'all did. Do you know that?
Speaker 1: I mean, Willie have we have never been able to
Speaker 1: get along like this is the most you know how
Speaker 1: when you get you know, y'all got on from one recording,
Speaker 1: but you know how when they recorded y'all in a
Speaker 1: different place. But look, man, it's it's it's you know
Speaker 1: how things can be water. You can have water under
Speaker 1: the bridge. Did he do it? Sision last though I
Speaker 1: don't remember. You can have water under the bridge, and
Speaker 1: then you have people like him that will fucking try
Speaker 1: to come with a jackhammer and destroy the bridge. You know, No,
Speaker 1: look at this water. It was right here. Look we
Speaker 1: still got problems. What we're gonna do about this water?
Speaker 1: Right right? This? Dude? Man, I mean, I tell you,
Speaker 1: But that's why I don't even say ship bro Hey,
Speaker 1: let us pray. I've been waiting for this. Let us
Speaker 1: because I saw it happen. You saw me and Willie
Speaker 1: Dee happening. I saw y'all group happened. I saw your
Speaker 1: song happening. But I ain't see y'all coming really, But
Speaker 1: when I heard the song, I had never heard nothing
Speaker 1: like that. Nobody has. Everybody got a song. Everybody has
Speaker 1: a song that defines them. That's not your only song.
Speaker 1: Y'all got songs that are nice. Y'all got catalogs and stuff.
Speaker 1: But the one that his names with everybody, he's the
Speaker 1: one is that one after it comes. He never heard
Speaker 1: Willie's first song. When I left my neighborhood to make
Speaker 1: this big break, I promised my road dogs that I
Speaker 1: dedicate a super jam to the hood that is sharp
Speaker 1: as a sickle. So here it is fifth Ward, better
Speaker 1: known as than Nickel. Everybody know my neighborhood. They say
Speaker 1: it's no good, but they don't talk that ship my
Speaker 1: Nickel the woods. And then he was like naming some
Speaker 1: names and ship Thomas, who is it? Jordan's Your ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Uh, that's a rap. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Uh absolutely, Tommy Davis, it's got so much man. You
Speaker 1: know your library. The club I was telling you about,
Speaker 1: get me get one more second. The club we were
Speaker 1: talking about is the club he was mad him at
Speaker 1: that club of that comedy club that was here, just joking, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you think that's where we met? You want you
Speaker 1: want to do a man any time, get on the mic.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get on the mic where we
Speaker 1: were still we're not, we're not. We haven't closed the
Speaker 1: show out yet. Man, you got a closer shot. Say
Speaker 1: something in the show, say something, Man. Okay, bye. This
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