WEBVTT - 05/17/21 DPS Hour 3 Reggie Miller 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.080 Sports Radio Final Hour on this Monday Dana, The Dana 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.840 Stan Patrick Show. More of your phone calls, best and 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:11.799 worst of the weekend, which you saw that you liked 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.920 you didn't like. Say good morning to our radio partners, iHeartRadio, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:20.680 Fox Sports Radio lineup numbering nearly four hundred cities around America. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.799 Also our TV partner Peacock streaming service. Download the app. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:29.080 You can watch for free all three hours. Reggie Miller 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.720 will join us coming up in about fifteen minutes from now. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:33.919 There are a couple of ways you could look at 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.800 the Preakness results from this weekend. The fact that the 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:42.520 disqualified Kentucky Derby winner Medina's Spirit lost to Rombauer could 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.800 be a good thing or a bad thing, because well, 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:47.920 maybe the good part is we won't be talking about 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.360 cheating and horse racing anymore. If Medina's Spirit had won, 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.440 his failed drug test at Churchill Downs would still be 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.920 front news, front page news. And the negative side, there 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.760 won't be a lot of buzz around the Belmont Stakes 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:06.240 June fifth. And even though Medina's Spirits Derby win was nullified, 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.200 winning the Preakness would have made a statement Bob Bafford's 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.480 horse was leading through most of the race, but for 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.240 the first time in his career, passed down the stretch. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.240 So we're left with more questions than answers. Did Bob 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.160 Bafford cheat or did he make a mistake? Do the 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.800 rules governing the sport makes sense? Is that what we're 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.920 seeing on the track? Is it real? Tough questions that 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.919 will come up again next spring when the racing world 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.319 returns to Churchill Downs. But will Bob Bafford be allowed 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.560 to return to Churchill Downs? Full question? McLevin, give us 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.120 the results. Okay, our one was whose career would you 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.840 want Chris Webber or Robert or actually sixty five percent 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.240 or believe it or not that we switched it up 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.440 to the debate we were having, who would you start 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.320 a team with Tim Duncan or Kobe Bryant. It's pretty 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.200 close fifty four percent Tim Duncan. Okay, I'm surprised. If 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.240 it was today's NBA, then I take Kobe. But if 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.440 i'm you know, you also have to factor in the 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.399 magnetism of Kobe that he is going to bring people out. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.600 You're going to see something that maybe you haven't seen 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.120 and if you have seen it, it was probably by 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.120 Michael Jordan. Tim Duncan is just going to be consistent 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:23.399 throughout the regular season and the postseason and five titles. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.799 He was the MVP and three of those championship runs. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.760 Great offense, great defense, just no highlights. Just that was 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.600 But that's who Tim Duncan is. There wasn't anything about 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.799 his personality, anything about his play that you went wow 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.120 until this weekend. I think that's why people are surprised 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.280 at his speech, or they were pleasantly surprised because we 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.600 don't hear Tim speak. Tim doesn't care. Tim would talk 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.640 to me during the finals, or he talked to the 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.560 media after the game. He'd come in but he had 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.760 to although he didn't have to commendo ESPN, but he 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.560 did come in. We had a friendship and uh, but 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.360 he's not He's not a you know, touchy feely let's 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.200 stay in touch. He's just not that guy. But he 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.320 had a heartfelt speech. There are a lot of great speeches. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.440 Certainly what Vanessa Bryant was able to do, which I 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.760 don't know how you have that strength and resolved to 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.400 do that and do it on that stage, even at 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.080 the memorial for Kobe, and she got up there and 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:33.600 spoke and I went, I just can't imagine. I can't 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.960 imagine being that strong, and she was and she was 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.680 this past weekend, and it was a great moment. But 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.880 it could have been a greater moment if Kobe was 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.600 there to give that speech, just because he would have probably, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.640 you know, taken names. He would have given some grief 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.360 to Kevin Garnett, he would have given some grief to 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:57.360 Tim Duncan, anybody in the room. He probably would have, 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.800 you know, taken a shot at. But we obviously didn't 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.480 get that. The play in tournament is set, the playing games, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.360 and of course the marquee matchup will be the Warriors 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.760 and the Lakers. Steph went for forty six points against 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.599 the Grizzlies yesterday. That's the eleventh forty point performance of 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.600 the season, most in the NBA. And Lebron James I 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:25.200 always talk about his basketball IQ. He finally came around 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.680 to understanding my basketball IQ when it comes to the MVP. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.520 You know, we just got to play to the best 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.000 of our ability. We gotta play Lakers basketball. We got 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.680 to defend at a high rate. You know, we're playing 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.480 verse in my in my opinion, the MVP of our 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:45.680 league this year and Steph so um, you know, we 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.800 gotta be, you know, prepared for everything that they have. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.120 They got championship DNA as well. You know, they know 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.440 what it takes and what it feels like to be 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.479 in pressure game. So you know, we gotta be ready 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.279 for that opportunity and that for that pressure. Now, maybe 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.000 if he's playing Denver, he would have said the Jokers 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.800 the MVP. Maybe, but you're playing Steph Curry. Hey, you 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:09.719 know what, let's curry some favor there. Ah, yeah, Todd, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.680 I'll give you that, right, all right, nothing yours's no, No, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.520 you don't give me, I tell you, Yeah, you're not 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.960 giving me anything. Yes, you must be joking about the MVP. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.440 I expected a crappy one from the back row. I 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.760 just thought it would be from Todd Age seven seven 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.920 three d P Show email address DP of Dan Patrick 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.160 dot com, Twitter handle at DPS show. So Reggie will 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.119 join us coming up, Jeff and Texas Best and Worst 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.040 of the weekend? Hi, Jeff, what's on your mind today? Morning? Dan? 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.520 Thanks for the call, first and foremost, you guys are 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.320 the best. Absolutely love the show. My best is the 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.880 NFL schedule came out, or he got my tickets to 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.599 the Thanksgiving game my Raiders versus the Cowboys. I think 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.400 the Raiders have a breakout season this year. I think 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.520 the worst is that Steph not getting MVP. He's not 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.200 going to get it. Now. If you see all the 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.920 accolades that he did this year, he broke Wilt Chamberlain's record. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.040 He probably set the record for most games with ten 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.920 plus three pointers. What does Jeff you know, put up 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:18.160 some good numbers? Yeah? Are you taking a back now? Sorry, buddy, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.720 I'm cleaning pools. Oh okay, okay. How long does it 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.200 take to clean a pool? Uh? Anywhere from thirty minutes 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.880 to an hour. What's the what's the best story you 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:37.080 have about cleaning pools? Well, I've only been doing it 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.880 for abody year, but just all the insects and snakes 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.359 and scorpions and spiders that you find in the pool, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.560 and the skimmers and stuff like that. Have you ever 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.680 jumped in a pool on a hot day when you 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.920 know the owners of the home art there? I have not, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.400 but I planned to this summer because I'm in Texas 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.360 and it gets real hot, so it will be all right, well, 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.400 thank you Jeff. That's Jeff from Texas Clean Pools. You 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:04.200 know seton is that frowned upon in the pool industry. Yeah, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:09.040 Like you can't just jump in somebody's pool. No, no, no, well, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.560 I mean you're cleaning it. Couldn't you be like, oh sorry, 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.920 I just I had to get in over here some 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.920 there was some grime down here in the center. I 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.320 wanted to make sure I got and then you're just 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.520 take a quick little dip or you just sound like 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:24.200 you fell in. Oh yes, yeah, you're in like Phoenix, Arizona. 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.640 It's one hundred and eighteen. You jump in fully clothes, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.240 takes an accent. Checking the old pH levels before we 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.440 clean this bad boy. This is for your safety. Five. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.800 I thought I would chest the pH level on my skin, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.520 just so you you know when your kids got in, Like, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.840 this is full service, type of hands on service we 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.760 deliver here. What if they come around the bend though 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.480 you're one of those chairs with the drinking and the 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.200 hose is doing all the work checking the salt content 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.440 here floatability. I did come back from a road trip 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:59.040 one time and somebody who was watching the house, uh, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.840 well they weren't supposed to be watching the house, but 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.400 they were at the house. And I got home a 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.200 day early and my family was gone, and uh, I 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:14.040 came in through the back yard area and there was 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.960 a woman there in her bathing suit, sitting there having 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:23.680 a beer, and uh, he said hey, and she goes, oh, hey, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.840 like I'm I'm the visitor. I'm like, I'm the neighbor 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.720 and uh so she was. She's just having a beer 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.920 sitting pool side. Sounds nice, sounds like a lovely afternoon. Yeah, 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.080 and then she got up and had her talent and 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.360 then she went and uh changed clothes and then she left. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.400 Is this a person your No, from the night, I 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.560 know her, She's not in the neighborhood. But but she she, 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.880 you know, did some cleaning at the house. Is a 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:57.280 story end there. Yeah, Well she didn't clean the house 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.520 after that, but but she did. You know, she would 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.679 clean the house like once every week or you guys 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.400 are out of town. Yes, she did, yes, and she 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.840 uh she she took a dip. It's gonna be warm today. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.240 Can we all go swimming at your house? Yes, let's 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:22.200 do that. Yeah that sounds like naked whoa, I mean what? Uh? 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.040 There was a time when my brother in law was 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.400 staying at the house watching the house while we were gone. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.160 Somebody like a group of kids came in and started swimming, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.680 like at eleven o'clock at night, and so my brother 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.320 in law went down and went, h what are you doing? 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.760 And they said, oh, uh. Dan's son said it was okay, 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.640 there you go. That's that's the move. I've been there. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.480 Very believable too. It is believable, but I will my 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.079 son said that he did not give these people the 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:57.679 authorization got copter. That still one of those moments where 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.920 I came home from work and my wife goes look outside, 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.680 and look outside, and my son is there at the 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.320 pool and he's in a lounge chair having a drink 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.319 and there's got to be eight, you know, girls around him. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.520 And he's probably fifteen now. He's not having an alcoholic 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.000 during he's having whatever soda, and yet they're like eight 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.520 girls out there at the pool. And I went, yead, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.280 I want to grow up to be just like him. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:32.319 I do. Oh, he's got a great life. A couple 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:38.439 of things with the schedule. I noticed the Pittsburgh Steelers, McLevin, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:45.680 aren't you big? On the Pittsburgh Steelers their schedule. Okay, Pittsburgh, boy, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.800 they got it tough, though. Do you realize that in 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:54.480 the final four weeks they've got Tennessee at Kansas City, 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:59.640 Cleveland at Baltimore. It's gonna be I mean, Ben is 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.120 gonna have to be great at the end of the season. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.240 Here was the other story about why the Patriots and 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.400 the Buccaneers are playing Week four. Peter King had this. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.040 The NFL thought, Okay, we want to make sure the 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.880 weather is not an issue. They're not fighting for division race, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.760 playoff implications, less likely to have an injury four weeks 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.439 into the regular season. That's what they wanted to do. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.120 They want to make sure Brady is there, everybody's playing, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:39.040 and getting it in early made the most sense. They 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.440 wanted to be able to tell that story in full 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.599 earlier in the season. I did mention Tom Silverstein, and 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:54.400 the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel writes the Packers are requiring a 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.320 trade partner to send a quarterback back to Green Bay 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.120 if they trade Aaron Rodgers. I don't know where this 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.440 is coming from, but I mean, the Broncos have Drew 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.160 Locke and Teddy Bridgewater. That ain't leading you to a Championship. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.400 You know, the Raiders to me make more sense if 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.720 you say Bronchos or the Raiders. At least I'm going 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:22.720 to get Derek Carr and he's got his salary. It's 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:27.600 acceptable through twenty twenty two, they're gonna trade. If they 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.160 trade Rogers, they trade him to the AFC. You could 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.120 check all the boxes there. Yes, mclovin. Should they have 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.160 maybe considered that San Francisco forty nine ers offer, which 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.760 would have been the number three pick, maybe throwing Jimmy 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.960 Garoppolo as that veteran quarterback. You know, it seemed like 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.640 John Lynch said, like they immediately turned them down. Maybe 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.040 they'll never do better than that. No, I wouldn't have 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.320 done it for that. I would have done it before 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.000 they made the trade with the Miami Dolphins because I 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.320 can still get Garoppolo. I get those draft picks, and 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.200 then if you want to trade Aaron Rodgers, that made 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:05.120 more sense. And you know, the number three Garoppolo, Okay, 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.400 what are you doing with three? Like you're not taking 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.520 a quarterback? Are you taking Kyle Pitts? Okay? I got 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.120 Garoppolo and I got Kyle Pitts. I'd rather have if 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.760 you want to give me Garoppolo and then I get 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.840 three first round picks, then that makes more sense if 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.920 I'm giving up Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, mclub. Yeah, you could 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.080 probably get like a DeVante Smith. I know he went ten, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.160 but you could have gotten a big star receiver. And 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.040 if you'd say to twelve, I think San Francisco was 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.400 originally at twelve. Yeah, you would have gotten fit your 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.680 need already. Yeah, but maybe I guess San Francisco didn't 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.520 know Rogers with maybe available, then they didn't call it 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.760 for well. No, if the Rams knew in January, then 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.560 how do the Niners not know? I think it was known, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.960 It just wasn't It wasn't public. I think privately it 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:58.439 was known. Hey, he's unhappy even all you have to do 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.880 do is see that press conference and go man. Guy 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.520 didn't seem like he knows what his future is. Hey, 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.360 let's place a call. I mean the Rams did, so 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.360 why wouldn't the Niners do it? Yeah, Paul, the other 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.440 trade is possible. It's a long way up. With Deshaun Watson. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.880 I was looking at the odds that the Texans are 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.720 expected to be awful. There's now a lot of reasons 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.720 to trade him if he somehow is cleared or settled 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.200 or whatever. And in the clear air quotes, why not 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.320 he's expensive and disgruntled and oh yeah you want to 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.160 move on? Yeah, I don't. We're a good offer, right, yeah, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.120 you might not have the offer heads four months ago. Yes, yes, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.440 let me get to Kyle in California. Then we'll take 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.320 a break for Reggie Miller. Hey, Kyle, what's going on 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.320 D two with that? Boys? So DP, I mean, you're 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.280 a basketball history and you were there for it all? 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:54.120 Is it the Tim Duncan Kobe KG? What if KG 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.760 got drafted by the Spurs and Tim Duncan went to 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.720 the Wolves, who have been one of the worst franchises 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.920 for twenty plus years. And I'm with you on you 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.280 want Kobe the player. But I mean, I know we're 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.400 looking back at on Roses and I'm going to get 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.880 struck down by Laker gods for saying this. But Kobe 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.160 did a lot of damage. He wanted out, he was 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.800 going to the Clippers and to two thousand and four Finals. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:24.760 He was absolutely terrible. I mean, you know, Kobe. I 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.440 know we look back on it with Roses, but in 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.880 the moment, I mean, look back at the numbers. Tim 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.160 Duncan better All Timer than Kobe. I can't believe my 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:36.200 childhood self is crying right now. Well, Kobe also wanted 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.840 to go to the bulls too, like there. I remember 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.200 that was two thousand and seven and we started the 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.160 show with Kobe talking about, you know, going to the 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.960 going to the bulls. Yeah, Pole, do you remember what 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.160 the main cog in that trade was for the bulls 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.800 that held up that trade? Reportedly this is October seven. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.600 The bulls didn't want to give up Ben Gordon was 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.280 the rumor that was going around, and the trade had 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.880 it was a big package of picks and players, and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.680 one of the sticking points was the bear. The bulls 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.440 they want to give up Ben Gordon for Kobe. Let's 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.320 take a break here. Reggie Miller will join us. Coming 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.960 up next seventeen after the hour. This is the Dan 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:14.680 Patrick Show. I love helping you. That's why when we 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.840 have these partners, you know that you know when they say, hey, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.720 tell your audience about US American financing. 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Reggie Miller, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.040 Hall of Famer, Turner Sports NBA analyst a lot to 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.800 get to REGGI let me hit you with the early 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.000 poll question that we have mclove and you want to 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.840 give Regg the first hour and pull question, first pol question, 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:05.959 whose career would you rather have? Robert or or Chris Webber? Wow? Uh, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.360 well that is a tough one. That's a great question. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.760 I guess seven championships kind of trumps everything, right, is it? 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.480 Seven or six? Seven championship? A lot of big shots 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.080 for Robert Ory, But think about the culture change Chris 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.560 Forebber was a part of being part of the Fab 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.520 five in Michigan because you're encompassing the whole career, right, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.680 not just NBA. Yeah, Yeah, I like C Webb's career. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.160 Obviously he didn't doesn't have a championship to back it up, 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.200 but a hell of a career for C Webb. You 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.480 could not go wrong with either or Um, but seven 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.920 championships ring, that's hard to turn down. That's hard. Would 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:57.760 you rather have Robert Ory's career? Or yours taking mine? Okay, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.920 all right, I'm just I'm taking I know I don't 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.080 have any chips to show for it, but it was 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.200 all about the struggle for me, all about the struggle 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.800 to win one. And I will never change my career 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.480 for anyone's because that's to me, that's what it was 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.960 all about. Now. Is Robert or a Hall of Famer? Yes, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.920 I really do believe so. And if you think about it, 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.199 you could take away a chip from Tim Duncan, and 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.560 you probably could take a chip away from Kobe if 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.399 it wasn't for the fact of big shots by Robert Or. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.199 I do believe he's a Hall of Famer. And if 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.520 you look at some of the guys that are currently 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.880 getting in that don't have gaudy numbers. I mean, Ben 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.120 Wallace was a great defender, but he doesn't have gaudy numbers. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.800 Ben Wallace is going in this year to Coombe Mutumbo, 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.800 great defensive player, defensive Player of the Year, but not 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.400 gaudy numbers in the Hall of Fame. Robert Ory should 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.159 be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Uh. I as 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.119 much as I like Ben, I don't think he's a 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.160 Hall of Famer. Ben Wallace. I think he was a 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.800 really good player. He was a key player for you know, 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:15.240 some good teams. But um, I just don't say it's 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.800 a Hall of Famer. No, no, I do. I don't 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.159 like Chris Bosh was a wonderful player in Toronto. He 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.640 was the third person in Miami. I know, health issues, 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.760 but he was second team All NBA one time. And 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.440 that's it. Like I I don't. I don't know how 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.240 we judge. And maybe my bar is too high here, Regie, 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:35.920 you know when it comes to the Hall of Fame, 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.080 But I don't know. I don't. I don't want to 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.440 apologize for being kind of tough on you know, the requirements. 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.520 I don't want to demean Ben Wallace. You know, Dick Kembay, 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:47.800 you want to put him a Hall of Fame. You 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.200 want to put Ben in there, Boston. I mean, that's fine. 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.920 I guess I just trying to understand the criteria here. 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.240 I think the criteria you're thinking about is in terms 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.280 of other Hall of Fames, because it's very difficult to 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.600 get into Major League Baseball's Hall of Fame, very tough 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.919 to get into the NFL. I think the NBA criteria 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.400 of getting in is not as high, and I think 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:19.280 they do encompass a person's body of work going back 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.160 to college too. So I think when I look at 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:28.159 Ben Wallace's career, again not gaudy numbers, but was on 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:32.320 great teams, championship teams in Detroit. He was the head 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:37.200 of the snake defensively for that team. He was a 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.479 couple of times defensive Player of the Year. I believe 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.679 I think he deserves now. Again, I've gone against these 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.159 guys head to head, so I'm a little biased because 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.480 I've seen their body of work up close. But it's 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:56.840 Derek Fisher Hall of Famer. No got You've got five titles, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.840 five titles. He's played in more playoff games in anybody 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:05.000 in NBA history. He's he's got three thousand, twenty five 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.840 hundred more points than Robert or he does made some 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.760 big shots. Yes, So I don't know. I just throw 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.520 that out there. Throw that out there. Steve Kerr is 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.560 going into the Hall of Fame, isn't he? Well, why 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:23.040 he's got a coach and player He's got so he's 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.359 got eight grades. Yeah, I think so, right, five and 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.600 five as a player, three as a coach. He's he's 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:32.280 going in as a Hall of Famer combination coach. He's 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.880 going into the Hall of Famer as a coach. Yeah, 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:36.560 as a coach, he'll going in his Hall of Famer. 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.720 He probably won't go in as a player, but they 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.159 just they would just say Steve Kerr Hall of Famer, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.320 but they would designate him as a coach going into that. 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.800 I think he will go in. I think he'll go 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.440 in as a coach, but he's still a Hall of 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.760 Famer rather. You're a coach, yeah, player, Oh yeah, Hey, 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.600 the Hall of Fame. Oh I know, okay, I know 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.240 you're a Hall of Famer. Yeah, I know. If you 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:08.640 could start your team with Kobe Duncan, KG, what era, 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:18.240 what rules? Nineteen ninety five, Tim Duncan, Okay, I said 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:24.840 the same thing twenty fifteen, Kobe Bryant. Yeah, so I 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:30.280 said too. Kobe would learn to well, yes, he's student 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:31.760 of the game. He's going to learn to be great 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.680 in today's NBA. Would he be a volume three point 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:39.439 shooter Kobe? Yeah, it was a great I thought he 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.879 was a great shooter anyways, but yeah, he would be 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.880 a volume You'd be a volume scorer. Because I don't 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.320