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Speaker 1: Our guest is Brian Broadest, former NFL Scout Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 1: You can hear him down on the fan in Dallas. Brian,

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Speaker 1: you're just coming off doing like nine straight hours of radio.

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Speaker 1: Does that sound right? Yeah? Actually, we do a five

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Speaker 1: hour show here, which is crazy. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: that we could talk for five hours and be okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm learning. I used to just Johnny, I

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Speaker 1: used to have to worry about the Krusty had just

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Speaker 1: worry about football, and I gotta worry about baseball, basketball,

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Speaker 1: hockey and all that. But you know what, my first

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Speaker 1: love is that NFL Draft. Some really excited about being

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Speaker 1: on with you again. It seems like every year it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like the Masters. This time of year, you

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Speaker 1: with you guys. Well, I'm happy to say that Kristaps

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Speaker 1: which is always a good thing. Um, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. And they you know, Brian, for

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Speaker 1: the folks that don't know, he used to, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the Draft Show. Great podcast, you guys check it out.

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Speaker 1: They do all draft stuff, not just Cowboys. And you know, Brian,

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Speaker 1: it's funny the Cowboys and Giants are picking back to

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Speaker 1: that you do. It's it's really the way of the division.

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Speaker 1: If you look at you know where you know, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: in that lot. Well, I think the Giants in Dallas

426
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Speaker 1: might be making the same calculation then, Brian, if they

427
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Speaker 1: get to ten or eleven, are they thinking to themselves, Well,

428
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Speaker 1: I feel like I can get a Cosmi and may

429
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Speaker 1: feel the leatherwood and round two do I then go

430
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Speaker 1: for the guy at the top of another position and

431
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Speaker 1: then wait till that second round. I think that's a

432
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Speaker 1: really interesting calculation that these teams are gonna be making,

433
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Speaker 1: because you know how it goes. How rare is that

434
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Speaker 1: you have a deep offensive tackle class. You're look at,

435
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Speaker 1: you hat to plugging play. Offensive tackles in most drafts

436
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Speaker 1: are one. This draft, you've got a bunch of them.

437
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Speaker 1: So I think that's a calculation that a lot of

438
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Speaker 1: teams have been making that you usually don't see getting

439
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Speaker 1: made in these drafts, just because the class is so

440
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Speaker 1: uniquely deep. If the Cowboys, I'll just say this to

441
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Speaker 1: the cowboys sake, if the Cowboys take an offensive player

442
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Speaker 1: at ten, they could turn around and and I think

443
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Speaker 1: the same thing you just said about the tackles to

444
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Speaker 1: be said about what's going to happen at quarterback. Again,

445
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: I mentioned Farley, Samuel Molden, Joseph melafon Wu. So yeah,

446
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: I mean there's like the kid out of Stanford, there's

447
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: probably six seven quarterbacks that are gonna be there in

448
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Speaker 1: the second round. That where if you need a corner,

449
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Speaker 1: if you don't get one in the first. Now we've

450
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Speaker 1: seen this before, John, you have not been a lot

451
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Speaker 1: part of a lot of drafts. When those quarterbacks start

452
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Speaker 1: coming off the board, they start coming off the board,

453
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Speaker 1: and so be ready for that. But if your team

454
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Speaker 1: picking at the top of the draft and you say, okay,

455
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Speaker 1: we do need a corner. In Dallas's case, Dallas could

456
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Speaker 1: go back to back. They could take a corner at ten,

457
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Speaker 1: They could take one at forty four and and it

458
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Speaker 1: would probably it would help them tremendously. But I think

459
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Speaker 1: there's some flexibility where if you took a defensive player,

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Speaker 1: if you took a corner first, and then we want

461
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Speaker 1: to swing back and grab an offensive tackle, you know,

462
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: by all means you can. You can absolutely do that

463
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Speaker 1: and maybe even grab a guard or a center as

464
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Speaker 1: well in that second to third round level, or a

465
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, which is another for you guys, but for

466
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Speaker 1: the Giants. So it's funny, like there isn't really a

467
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: position scarcity than any of the Giant needs, so they

468
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Speaker 1: really can you think the best guy, which is a

469
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Speaker 1: rare luxury that you can have. And you know, it's funny.

470
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you, I'm sure you study them, but I

471
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Speaker 1: know this is not something that Dallas will be looking at.

472
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Speaker 1: How close do you have those guys at the top

473
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Speaker 1: of the wide receiver list? How interchangeable is it? For me?

474
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Speaker 1: Chase is the easy one for me, and then I

475
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Speaker 1: go back and forth depending on the day, in the

476
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Speaker 1: mood i'm in if I like Waddle or Smith better. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: you know I'll say this though, John, I got Chases

478
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Speaker 1: number one, and I'm not saying that because I'm an

479
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Speaker 1: l s U lum. I mean, I do love my Tigers,

480
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Speaker 1: but he's great. Yeah, Chase, Chase, Chase with see and

481
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, And I know where I'm with

482
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Speaker 1: a giant's group right now with Philadelphia at six, I

483
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: was honestly worried about them taking Chase or Pitts or

484
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Speaker 1: one of those guys. And back when they traded on

485
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Speaker 1: our shows about the Eagles and Cowboys, my goshts I

486
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Speaker 1: literally I did a cheer. I did a cheer. I went,

487
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I went, oh, what did how he just do? He

488
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: traded back to twelve. I went, yes, yes, because I

489
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Speaker 1: mean he traded away. I mean, do it'll leading skill?

490
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Speaker 1: They traded away from Chase and from Pitts. Now we'll

491
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Speaker 1: see maybe Chase, I don't know, but I was excited

492
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Speaker 1: for the I was excited for the Cowboys because they

493
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Speaker 1: traded out. But yeah, Pitts. I got Smith next, and

494
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Speaker 1: then Waddle And I'll tell you this, this is old Krusty.

495
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Speaker 1: Krusty thinks that Smith is Marvin Harrison. I think Smith

496
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Speaker 1: is Morvin Harry. By the way, the other comparison I

497
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Speaker 1: heard for him, which you'll I think you'll like, is

498
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Speaker 1: your old school is Isaac Bruce, who also a lot

499
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Speaker 1: of similar body type coming out absolutely absolutely say I

500
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Speaker 1: I just that type of guy. And I'll tell you this.

501
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Speaker 1: When I was in Green Bay in working in scouting

502
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Speaker 1: there John Gruden and we had Isaac Bruce was second

503
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Speaker 1: round grade. Jon Gruden was our receivers coach at the time.

504
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Speaker 1: Gruen's like, I don't care whatever you scout say. Every

505
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: one of you are wrong. Every one of you are wrong.

506
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Speaker 1: And I looked him and like, what are you talking

507
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Speaker 1: about this at Isaac Bruce, Hall of Fame player, first

508
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Speaker 1: round guy. He goes, you guys are giving him absolutely

509
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Speaker 1: no credit for how good he is. And I'm like, well, okay, whatever,

510
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Speaker 1: John Gruden, if you're listening to the Giant podcast, you're

511
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: absolutely right about that. Yeah, I'm with you. Look the guy. Look,

512
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: he's a hundred seventy pounds, Brian, but you wouldn't know

513
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: it if you watched the tape new not at all.

514
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean about it this way. So when people say

515
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Speaker 1: NFL teams are worried about it, and I've heard a

516
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Speaker 1: lot of people whisper and say, oh, he's on just

517
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Speaker 1: seventy pounds. You know that that that's not the prototype.

518
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Speaker 1: Is it it impacting his play? Or is it durability

519
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: that you think people are most concerned about with that?

520
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Speaker 1: You know, I think if you look at the questions

521
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: will be about durability. But Dallas drafted Ceedee Lamb last year.

522
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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb is. I wish I was as skinny as

523
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Speaker 1: Seedee Lamb is. You know, I mean I wish I was.

524
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Speaker 1: I wish I could go and get shirts off the

525
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Speaker 1: rack and then every my my shirt took in nice,

526
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Speaker 1: and you know, I wish I that was that. They're

527
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Speaker 1: there are narrow frame players playing in this league. The

528
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Speaker 1: the the whole idea though is and Alabama has done

529
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Speaker 1: a good job with these receivers. These kids have come

530
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Speaker 1: in and they've been all They've been all different types

531
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Speaker 1: of body type, the Julio Jones, the Maori Cooper's. I

532
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: mean they they've done a great job with the different

533
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Speaker 1: types of body types. Jerry Judy, I mean, they've got

534
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: different sized guys. The bottom line is how do they

535
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Speaker 1: make plays? And this kid goes and gets the football.

536
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Speaker 1: He he I mean night are day after day when

537
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Speaker 1: you watch him play, and again against my Almamon and

538
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Speaker 1: Lsu he had two something yards catch the ball. They

539
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Speaker 1: finally took him out of the game, and it's I

540
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: thank god they did. But his route, running, his red

541
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Speaker 1: zone play, his toughness, I mean, run after kids. I

542
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: mean that's big for Alabama. It's underneath and go and

543
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: these guys him and Waddle, those guys explode and so yeah, dude,

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Speaker 1: you know, do I worry about the team like the

545
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Speaker 1: Giants or Philliers may get Absolutely I do because these

546
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Speaker 1: are really really good football players the body type. I

547
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Speaker 1: think with the way they protect receivers nowadays, with the

548
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Speaker 1: hits and things like that, and they keep the separation

549
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Speaker 1: you know at the line things, these kids will be

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Speaker 1: touched on edge rushers earlier. I want to go back there.

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Speaker 1: This is as big end look I know edg rusher

569
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Speaker 1: is always a risky position to pick in the first

570
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Speaker 1: on any we because the team's reach and we've all

571
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Speaker 1: seen a lot of misses in the first round when

572
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: it comes to edge guys. But I think if you

573
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Speaker 1: look at every guy in this class, they all have

574
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Speaker 1: something you're like, you know, O, Gil are the great

575
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: around the edge, great hand usage, right, but power strength?

576
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Speaker 1: Can you get inside? Quitty Pay? Where's the production? We

577
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: like everything else? Jason Oway? Where's the production? We love

578
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: the athletic testing, um, Gregory Rousseau, real big kid long,

579
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: but all the sack production came from Russian inside. How

580
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: does that help me for an edge player? So go

581
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Speaker 1: don the list everyone's and then you have Jalen Phillips,

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Speaker 1: who I thought was the beg Shre on tape. If

583
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Speaker 1: you if you have any concussions, He's a top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: Give me Jalen Phillips all day. But I can't roll

585
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Speaker 1: the dice on that. Have you seen a class like

586
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Speaker 1: this before at the position where everyone is something where

587
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: you're like, legitimately, boy, that could be a real problem.

588
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: This is this is one of the scariest defensive end

589
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: classes I've done in a long time. And I've been

590
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: at this since nineteen, you know. And you mentioned Ojilari

591
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: my top two or Ogilarian Phillips. I tried to just

592
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: say what was the best tape. You're right about Phillips

593
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: and the concussions and things like that. I wonder about

594
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: Quitty pay. I really really do. The body type bothers

595
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: me how the short he's kind of a he's like

596
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: a what we call a high cut guy. He's got

597
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: a short body. A long way, I mean, there's things

598
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: about him that it scared me. Old way is he

599
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: might be the one guy from Penn State the measurables

600
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: are freakish, the numbers are freakish. The kid has not

601
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: played a lot of football and and that, and now

602
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you draft a project? Can

603
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Speaker 1: you get him to And I know he went to

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Speaker 1: Penn State and I know we should respect that and stuff,

605
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: but I look at him and I'm thinking, like, man,

606
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Speaker 1: that could be huge. Boomer bus Bash him from Waite

607
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: Forest is another guy Rousseau. I mean you mentioned him.

608
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: The production kicking him in at defensive tackle is better

609
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Speaker 1: than it is playing on the outside. I think that

610
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: people have got him way highly overrated. I really there's

611
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Speaker 1: a kid at Washington John that not many people are

612
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Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, yeah, that's to me. That's when you

613
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: watch him play. You see edge rush, you see against

614
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Speaker 1: the run. It's very complete, leaked, it's a very complete player.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I I just out of all those guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, who is the safest one? Who is

617
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Speaker 1: the one again? And it sounds like you and I

618
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Speaker 1: are talking about safe draft. Safe draft. No, But when

619
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Speaker 1: you're picking these defensive ins, you have to you have to.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough because each one of them, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, you've got something that you say, Man, that

622
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Speaker 1: just bothers me. Can I put this aside and not

623
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Speaker 1: think about it? But it's really really hard with this group,

624
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Speaker 1: It really really is. Yeah, I think it's a challenge.

625
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I do it is, and I wonder if that's why

626
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Speaker 1: I think you almost have to wait till the second round. Right,

627
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you can sit there and use

628
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: a top ten or eleven pick on one of these

629
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Speaker 1: guys where you could be looking at in two years

630
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Speaker 1: and you have a big zero. I just for me,

631
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I'm that brave, especially when you

632
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: have these teams so tightly packed in this division, and

633
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: you know they're all kind of on the precipice right

634
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: where they can go up, they can go down, depending

635
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: on how this whole thing goes. Yeah, you're right. I

636
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing about I think the guys who

637
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Speaker 1: like I said Ogilari, if if if I was the

638
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Giants or the Cowboys, if I was stuck at ten

639
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: or eleven and I had to pick an end, they

640
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I can't back out, I can't move. I would take ogelari.

641
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: I just I'm just gonna I'm just gonna roll the

642
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: dice that that's the that's the right way to go.

643
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a scary group overall. It really

644
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: really is what do you think the opportunities might be

645
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Brian for a trade down? Um from that spot at

646
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: ten or eleven? Quarterback have to be there if someone

647
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: else unexpected drops, like maybe one of those receivers is left,

648
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: someone wants to move up. Is that a possibility or

649
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: do you think just once those quarterbacks are gone, any

650
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: chance at the trade downs? And the thing I'm thinking

651
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: about two right, like, if you're Annoyingland of fifteen, no

652
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: one between ten and fifteen has taken a quarterback, right

653
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: and do they just wait? Then? How do you see

654
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: a potentially trade on an opportunity if you're sitting there,

655
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, for Dallas, for you at ten and then

656
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: we've been talking about that too with the Giants at eleven. Yeah,

657
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: I think to me, and this is I did this

658
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 1: on the radio the other day. I think it's always

659
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: good to have a quarterback there in order for somebody

660
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: to come up with if it's the last guy I saw.

661
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of mock drafts and and the

662
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: first one I saw today. I'm trying to think of

663
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: whose mock drafted? Was am I going on NFL dot com?

664
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: But it was it was a trade ward New England.

665
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: New England got all the way till four, went from

666
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: New even went from fifteen to four with Atlanta and

667
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: then went and got their quarterback. And then Carolina traded back.

668
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: But Carolina traded back in a way to to draft

669
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: with Arizona to get Pits. So Arizona came up and

670
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen that, and that was that was that

671
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: was a new way of doing things. Uh oh, it

672
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: was Peter Schrager from in from Good Morning Football did

673
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: it was his draft, but all right for the Cowboys.

674
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I was trying to think, if you wanted a corner,

675
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: if you wanted to get cute again, if just traded back,

676
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm thinking if you're a team that needs

677
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: a corner, if your team that needs a corner, I'm

678
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: looking at it as will somebody let you back in?

679
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Because what's happened is, and I did this for my show,

680
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: you trade back looking for a corner? The Chargers at thirteen, Okay,

681
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: either first or second primary need is a corner, Chargers

682
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: at thirteen, Patriots at fifteen Arizona sixteen Raiders at seventeen,

683
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: Bears at twenty Tennessee at twenty two, Cleveland at Saints

684
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: at Green Bay at twenty nine? Is anybody gonna let

685
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: you trade back to grab a corner? You know? Where? Okay?

686
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: If you say, okay, where can we get in order

687
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that we get say horn, where do

688
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: we now? If you're comfortable taking newsom you know, okay,

689
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: where do you have to get? I just named off?

690
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: What is that like? Uh? For ten twelve teams that

691
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: need a quarterback? So if if they know that you

692
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: need a corner, Dallas is trained back for what are

693
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: they gonna get? Dallas needs to pick the corner. If

694
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: you're a team up there that needs to pick the

695
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: corner because behind you, you know, Now, if you're in

696
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: a different situation like what you're talking about with the

697
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: Giants and you, what would you say your primary need is?

698
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: I would say you're looking at wide receiver and rusher

699
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: and maybe one or two To be honest with you,

700
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: those are the three. Okay, so wide receiver, you feel

701
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: like you got that kind of on lockdown you know

702
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna get if you stand there to eleven

703
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: and pick a wide receiver. I think you're gonna get

704
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good play. Do you think one of the

705
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: top three will make it to eleven? I think that

706
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: you have. I think you would have a shot. I

707
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: think you'd have a shot at like a guy. I

708
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: think that either Waddle or Smith. I think either Water

709
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: or Smith could could very well get to you. So

710
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, but I've kept having like Detroit take Smith,

711
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: I re mock draft a Seed's Detroit's guys, but maybe

712
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: Wattle gets to you. Hell, Tony is a good player,

713
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Bateman is a good player, Marshall is a good I mean,

714
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: heeds some good players. But I don't know if you

715
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: want to take Tony at eleven. I think you'd want

716
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: to take Smith or Wattle or one of those guys

717
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: for sure. But uh, you know, it might be the

718
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Giants might get a little aggressive and say, well, we'll

719
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: go to Denver at nine, and maybe you assure yourself

720
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: of getting that Caroline at eight is a team that

721
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: can move. I don't know if Gettleman would do that.

722
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: That's kind of not his m O. But maybe it

723
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: might show your fan base. Oh hey, we're trying to

724
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: go get some weapons here, trying to go get some

725
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: guys that could actually help us play. Let's you know,

726
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: let's do that. But I kind of feel like that

727
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: to me, your best bet would be to grab the

728
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: best wide receiver as opposed to a defensive end or

729
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: maybe the corner if Dallas gets If Dallas gets certain

730
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: and Horns on the board, I would applaud you guys

731
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: on draft night if you drafted Horn as a right,

732
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I said, they just got a competitive s O B

733
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna cover and play well. Just for fun? What

734
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: do you think Atlanta and me and you were texting

735
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: back and forth today, I'm curiously what you think? What

736
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: do you think Atlanta's doing it for? Because I really

737
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: think they're gonna swing this draft. If they take that

738
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: fourth quarterback, it becomes real simple for teams. If they

739
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: don't and they pick a position player, then I think

740
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit tricky of how the rest

741
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 1: of that first you know, ten picks might go. Yeah,

742
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: I thought, Atlanta, when you and I were talking, I

743
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: was very curious. I appreciate you getting back for me

744
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: the way you did. I I think Atlanta, I know

745
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: they're guys, well, I know they're guys. Will and in

746
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: talking with them about it. The stuff you're hearing about

747
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: them being open for business, for a trade, It's true.

748
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: They're they're open, they're open to it, but they're not

749
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: just gonna give their pick away. They're just not so

750
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: if you're willing to go up there and make it

751
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: worth the while, I don't think they want to fall

752
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: too far, but I've I've kind of got them in

753
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: a mode right now, where could they take the best player?

754
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Could the best player? How high on the board is

755
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: a guy like Pitts right? I mean, is that a weapon?

756
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: Is that one of those things you're looking at other teams,

757
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: You're looking at the Kansas Cities of the world, you know,

758
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you're looking at San Francisco's of the world. And the

759
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: way that they play with the tight end and the

760
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: way it opens things up. I mean, can you extend

761
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's career another couple of years with with a

762
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: guy like that? Or are they gonna take an offensive Lineman?

763
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: I mean I think that they they don't. Nobody wants

764
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: to be picking in the top ten anymore. I mean,

765
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: you want to ideally you want to be out of that.

766
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: But this might be Atlanta's one opportunity to go ahead

767
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: and grab that quarterback, let him sit, and then next

768
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: year we'll work with what we have to work with.

769
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: But I I think they're I think they're open to trade.

770
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: And if and if, if, if you put it, if you,

771
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: if you kind of held their feet to the fire

772
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: right now, I think they would stand in there and pick.

773
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: But they're open, they're open to trade. But I think

774
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm riding the fence. But that's the

775
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: answer that I got from them, that hey, we'll listen,

776
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: but don't be surprised if we stand in here and

777
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: make a pig. So if you're sitting there, then in

778
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: your Cincinnati and all most people are assuming they're taking

779
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. Look, they have Jonah Williams. They started

780
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: Riley Reef, who's he's okay, you know Riley was not

781
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: a bomb. He's he's a starting tackle in the league.

782
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: If they're standing at Jamaar Chase, a guy that caught

783
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns from Joe Burrow or Kyle Pitt, you put

784
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: them with Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins. I mean, you

785
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: can find it off We've talked about all right, you

786
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: can find it offense. I'm in the second round. Absolutely, yeah.

787
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at Cincinnati, they've had

788
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: some bad luck with first round offensive tackles and then

789
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: they've had some history of some bad luck with that,

790
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: so it might be I think that I think that

791
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: they would want to do. They're going to have the

792
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: best scouting report ever on Chase because of Joe Burrow

793
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: being there there. Joe Burrow is going to be able

794
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: to tell, uh, tell that scouting department, tell the Brown

795
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: family and the Tobin family that this is what this

796
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: kid can do. He's a great human being and I

797
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: love him. Yeah, blah blah blah blah blah. There could

798
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: be that connection there and Joe Burrow and Chase, I

799
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: know everybody had him taking pitty seuled to tackle. They

800
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: still could, They still absolutely could. But I think if

801
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: they add another weapon and then turn around on the

802
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: top of the second and grab one of these offensive

803
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: tackles that we're talking about, I think their draft could

804
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: be really, really good. Now I'm with you. I've asked

805
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: this question to other people. I think you're the perfect

806
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: person to answer it as someone that's been in probably

807
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: more war rooms and draft rooms anyone I talked to

808
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: how is this going to be different Brian in terms

809
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: of scouts not being on campuses. In terms of these

810
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: you mentioned the measurements could not be the same from

811
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: school to school. You know, I heard you talking the

812
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: other day one of your shows that Ohio states what

813
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: of your dashes on a downward Slope's? Right? So is

814
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: it taking the time seriously? Is it the medical? Is

815
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: that the interviews? Is it the off the field stuff?

816
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: What's gonna be different here? And how will that affect

817
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: decision makers? John, the Krustyes, are all sitting there right

818
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: now trying to put together aboard without a really clear

819
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: picture of a lot of these guys medicals. That's a problem.

820
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: And you know, the one great thing about the combine

821
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: when you and I used to go and talk and

822
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: visit with people is we saw all the doctors and

823
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: medical personnel. We walked through the streets of Indianapolis together

824
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: and saw the hospitals and the m r I tubes

825
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: and you know, these trainers and doctors going and you know,

826
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: and that to me, the combine wasn't always about the height,

827
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: weights and speeds and the interviews. Combine was about the medical.

828
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: The combine was letting me know that this player that

829
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm about to draft doesn't have a heart condition or

830
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: or like Caleb Farley doesn't have a back problem. You know.

831
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: That is the thing. And every guy that I've talked

832
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: to and some gals that are in this business, they

833
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: tell me they're like, listen, we're terrified of the medical

834
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: There used to be a time when I started in

835
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: the league in nine where you could go to a

836
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 1: school and get the medical information. You have a whole

837
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: folder on the players. Now, because of hippo laws, you

838
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: can't do that anymore. So that is a problem. And

839
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: so these teams are flying blind that way, the zoom

840
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: calls and stuff like that. Yeah, you can get to

841
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: go know a kid a little bit. You know. It's

842
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: we're all kind of that in society and learning about things.

843
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: But the medicals are going to be a problem for

844
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams. And I'll have I'll have

845
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: my guess is when we get to training camp and

846
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: we start to really teams will start to say, oh, well,

847
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: this guy can't do this, and this guy can't do that.

848
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: It might be because of some pre existing conditions that

849
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: we could have found out at the combine that we're

850
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: now having to find out during O T A S

851
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: minicamp and then maybe into our training camp practices. All right,

852
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: what's the one main thing you're thinking about in the

853
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: top ten that could impact who could reach the giants

854
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: at number eleven? Yeah, I think that where John, where

855
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: you and I are sitting at ten, at eleven, I

856
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna we're gonna need these We're gonna

857
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: need these quarterbacks all to go, you know. And and

858
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: it's always been of a position where if you're not

859
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: going to take one of these quarterbacks, the more that

860
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: guys go that you're not gonna take, just go ahead

861
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: and push, you know, push guys down to you. Now,

862
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: I think you're in a good position. Like I say,

863
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: if you want Ogilary, that's great for the defensive in aspect.

864
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens. You're gonna have to

865
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: worry about Dallas. If you want a cornerback, you're gonna

866
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: have to worry about maybe Denver at nine, you know,

867
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: if you're looking at quarterback. But I think you guys

868
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: are in a really good spot for a wide receiver.

869
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: I really do. And I think we'll have We saw

870
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: it a little bit last year that in my board seat, Lamb.

871
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: And I'm not just Sam because he was the Cowboys pick,

872
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: but he was my number one wide receiver. In the

873
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: fact he got to seventeen. I think that maybe these

874
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: people are going to say there's a lot of value

875
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: and wide receivers and we don't have to grab it now.

876
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think I think, you know, I think a

877
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: team like the Giants sending eleven, I think you're gonna

878
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: get a really a good skilled player there, and one

879
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: that can likely help your young quarterback. That's I think

880
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett and the staff and stuff like that.

881
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's clear that's the Giants. You need weapons,

882
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: you know they in this in this uh in this division,

883
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: you need to be able to attack people. In the NFL,

884
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: you need to be able to attack people. And nothing

885
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: against the guys that playing for the Giants, because I

886
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: felt like there were some guys, but if you added

887
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: one or two more guys to that offense, it's clearly

888
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: going to help that that quarterback, having the running back

889
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: back a healthy will help that offense. So, uh yeah,

890
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm scared about you guys grabbing a wide receiver and

891
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: grabbing a really good one. If you were to give

892
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: me you are I don't know how big the tier

893
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: as you can tell me on your big board and

894
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: you split it up, you have how x so? How

895
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: many first round players you have? First of all, now

896
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: obviously that's not the nineteen equally great at players. How

897
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: many guys are in that top tier of non quarterbacks?

898
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Is it four? Is it five? Is at seven that

899
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: you think are like true knocked dead? Top ten guys?

900
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: How many do you have in that group? Yeah? I

901
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: would say to me, just looking at the positions, I

902
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: would say Chase Smith, hits Seul and then I would

903
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: go the two you said non quarterbacks? That was it?

904
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: So I had I had, I had, I had two

905
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers, a tight end in an offensive tackle is

906
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: where I had? Is this true knocked out? Now again,

907
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: take all the other quarterback, take the quarterbacks out of

908
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: the mix. I can say I got Chase Smith and

909
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: Waddle of is my three first round wide receivers. It

910
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: is my first round tight end, Sewl Slater derreschall as

911
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: my three tackles, Vera Tucker from usc as my guard.

912
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: No centers, four quarterbacks, and then you get into the

913
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: defensive guys. Ogular a Phillips on the edge part. I

914
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: don't have any any defensive tackles as first round players.

915
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: I have Parsons as in first round inside linebacker, then

916
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Horns or Tan Newsom, and then Corey Mora I have

917
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: as a safety. I don't have him that linebacker. I

918
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: think Corey Moore is gonna play strong safety in the league.

919
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: So those are my guys right now. It's a. It's a.

920
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: It's usually I'll have somewhere between eighteen and twenty one.

921
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: So I'm right where I'm usually at when it comes

922
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: to those first round grade. And it's funny watching Coramla.

923
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Jabrill Peppers and Landon Collins, two

924
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: guys that I've seen here with the Giants. That's who

925
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: he reminds me of. To be honest, with the way

926
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: he moves that that's what I think of when I

927
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: watch him. Absolutely yep, absolutely right. I final question and

928
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: the Giant fans into division. So I asked you one

929
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: question about Dallas. The Dak Prescott thing. Was that just

930
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: like a huge side relief everybody down there where they

931
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: was it universally praised where fans and these are no

932
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: fans are weird. Were they annoyed about it? What was

933
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: the whole reaction to the Dak melodrama being solved? And

934
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of now where the Cowboys are moving forward? Yeah,

935
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of John, to be

936
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: honest with you, I think there was a lot of Okay,

937
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: why wasn't this done sooner? Bit? You know there was

938
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: Why why do you spend an extra ten to fifteen

939
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: million dollars a year on a contract that should have

940
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: been done two years ago? I will say this for

941
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: folks listen and again, I do appreciate the Giants fan.

942
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: I think they're great football fans. I'm saying that with

943
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: all sincerita guy that travel around the league, most knowledgeable

944
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: football fans I've ever been around in my life. And

945
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I know they probably have some you guys go back

946
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: and forth on some things, but I do respect them. Uh.

947
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: The answer I'll gave you about the about with with

948
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: Dak is two years ago. I believe that was on.

949
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: It was on on Steven Jones and the front office

950
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: for not signing you. Jerry Jones was coming into meetings

951
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: and on Monday mornings was saying, is this really our guy?

952
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: Is this really our guy? And I think the organization

953
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: took that hint from Jerry is like, well, let's see,

954
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: let's see, let's go to last year. You would probably

955
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: interrupt you, but just apple of Jarry Gotham Carson wentz,

956
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: there is a danger to go into early. You can't here. Yeah, yeah,

957
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: and and and and talking to the Eagles guys, they

958
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: were worried. The reason why they did the wind steal

959
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: was they were worried that Jerry at that time was

960
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: going to spend forty million dollars on Dak Prescott back then.

961
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: That's why the Giant, That's why how and then went.

962
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: They were worried that Dallas was going to be the

963
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: team that was going to overpay Dak wildly, and then

964
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: that the Eagles were not going to be able, so

965
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: they went to you know, with their extensions. So that's

966
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: why they got that. But you know, if you look

967
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: at Todd France, the agent, Todd France shifted his his

968
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: his employment one group to another. So he was last

969
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: year he had three players that played on the franchise

970
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: tag Bud Dupree was one of and then our safety

971
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: A Simmons at Denver and then Dak Prescott. He got

972
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: no players signed, no top players signed. So but he

973
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: was changing from one agency to another, and so we're

974
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: all like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, he's not gonna

975
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: sign Dak Prescott up with his former group. You know,

976
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: he's not gonna let them get the benefit of the

977
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: contract and the money and all that. So he was

978
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: shopping himself and he finally was able to move. After

979
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: the fact, they're like, well, we couldn't get anything done

980
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: so two years ago, blaming Augerian Stephen the front office.

981
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Last year, I think the agent had something to do

982
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: with them not signing. But at the end of the day,

983
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: that Cowboys got their quarterback done expensively got it done,

984
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: and then Dak Prescott got the money, and Todd France,

985
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: the agent, got his fee, and his new agency was

986
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: able to benefit from those contracts. So a lot going

987
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: on there. And I know it sounded kind of crazy,

988
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: like I'm juggling train chainsaws, but that's really what it was.

989
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: We were all like, this should have been done years ago,

990
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't done years ago, and and the Cowboys

991
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: paid for it though, to make sure they got it done. Brian,

992
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: good stuff, my friends. Always a pleasure as a shame

993
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: we're not doing this in person, and inde, it is

994
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: what it is. Enjoy the couple of weeks. We're kind

995
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: of in the home stretch here. It's gonna be fun

996
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and hopefully i'll see at some point during the season.

997
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: All right, brother, that sounds great. And yeah, three weeks

998
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: from tonight we're drafted players. And I just want to

999
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: remind you, John, don't take any players that I like. Okay,

1000
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: you take you take this. You keep away from my guys,

1001
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: all right, and I'll keep away from your guys. Right.

1002
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: Remember these picks swap so you guys can kill the

1003
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: giants in first one round two comes along shoes on

1004
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: the other fund, my friend, I know, and I worry

1005
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: about that. I do worry about that. So yeah, be

1006
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: don't don't don't take too many of our guys, and

1007
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: we're trying to take too many of your guys. All right, friend,

1008
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: But oh, by the way, do you want to tell

1009
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: the folks stuff that you're doing things that they should

1010
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: check out Twitter? Whenever you were Yeah, you were very nice,

1011
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: uh doing money through Friday one oh five three the

1012
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: fan here in Dallas. Uh, you know we were check

1013
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: us out on that two to seven every day. If

1014
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: you're interested, we do a lot of Cowboys talk. I

1015
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: know it's probably not making Giants fans happy to hear that,

1016
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: but but yeah, the stuff too with the Draft Show,

1017
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: and John mentioned that that's also a Dallas Cowboys dot

1018
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: Com platform. John's right, we just don't talk about the Cowboys.

1019
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: We have myself, Bucky Brooks, Dame Brugler, David Helmet, we

1020
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of guys that really really cover the draft,

1021
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: work hard at it. We'll talk about all players on that.

1022
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: So if you're interested in the Draft Show, it's on.

1023
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: You can go to say, Dallas Cowboys dot com. All

1024
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: the platforms for that, I think Apple and all that,

1025
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 1: so you can just check it out the Draft Show

1026
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: and uh and uh we thank you for doing it.

1027
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: By the way, is there anything you want me to

1028
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: pass on the Bucky Brooks I have them tomorrow for

1029
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen minutes that you want me to bust

1030
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: his chops on. Now, I'll tell you what. Bucky's a

1031
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: good guy and I do that enough. Bucky. The do

1032
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: a lot enough shows together. Bucky said, you know he

1033
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: does TV. Now, yeah, he's not a radio. Hey, that's TV.

1034
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: So you know, he's gotta, he's gotta. He's one of

1035
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: these guys that always looks good. Hey, John, I even

1036
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: wore a nice shirt for you tonight. You know in

1037
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: radio it has but you can slob it up. Sometimes

1038
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: you can slob it up. And I actually wore a

1039
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: nice shirt for you tonight. It brought us with buttons

1040
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: that that that that's huge. It's not good right, all right,

1041
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: by bad, I'll talk to you soon. Thank you, my friend.

1042
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: Be safe out there. Brian brought us on the JOHNT

1043
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: Subtle podcast on the Giants podcast Now we're presented by

1044
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: Investors Bank. You can find it on johnts dot com,

1045
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: slash podcast at John smoll blap in your favorite podcast platforms.

1046
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: We thank Brian for joining us. I'm John Schunk. Will

1047
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: see you next time on the GIHNT Tuttle