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Speaker 1: Also Media, Harry everyone, Robert Evans here and on Thursday

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Speaker 1: September twenty fifth at eight pm, Behind the Bastards is

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Speaker 1: doing a live show. The show itself is in Portland, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: but all of the in person seats have sold out. However,

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Speaker 1: Alberta Rose Theater t h E A t r E

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Speaker 1: the live show. This is to benefit the Portland Defense Fund,

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Speaker 1: which helps bail people out who don't have, you know,

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Speaker 1: resources of their own, so it's a good cause. Tickets

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Speaker 1: the show, So please go to Alberta Rose Theater Behind

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Speaker 1: check it out. On Thursday, September twenty fifth at eight pm.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, is it already Behind the Bastards thirty? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: my clock must be off. That's not a very good

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Speaker 1: start to a podcast either. Yeah, Sophie, that was done.

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Speaker 1: How many episodes of this week? If we started in

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Speaker 1: fucking twenty eighteen, like fifty episodes a year or something

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Speaker 1: like that, three hundred and fifty episodes, generally two parts each.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you how many clips it says we

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Speaker 1: I think some of them, see I think.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are like imports, and some of them

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Speaker 1: But it says eight and eighty two. We've done too

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Speaker 1: many episodes of podcasts, right, this should this should you?

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Speaker 1: You should get immediately fifty one fifty. But the permanent version,

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Speaker 1: if you've done this many episodes of a podcast, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's definitely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely a groundhog day effect with this when

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, I gotta do this next week, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and every other week forever.

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Speaker 1: Wait for Okay. I mean like as jobs go, it's

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Speaker 1: little infinite. It's a little infinite. It does make me

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Speaker 1: want to do like a reverse Ronald Reagan where I

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Speaker 1: like just to be like no one like me and

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Speaker 1: Joe get Joe for goddamn sure, lock him up, like

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Speaker 1: because if I my brain is fried like that motherfuckers

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Speaker 1: that point fucking ten years back. Get us all off,

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Speaker 3: Many times, so many times I think, why do y'all

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Speaker 1: Uh huh? What are we doing here? I am? I

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Speaker 1: would be so tired of me. Yeah, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: this is that's it. Prop You and me are running

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna be the first people to run on

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Speaker 1: a ticket of get us off the streets, like stop, yes,

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Speaker 1: to us, guys. Yeah, after making us president, because we

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Speaker 1: get some plans. We got some plans for six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be crazy, yo, speaking of people whose first six

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Speaker 1: actually that one? Yeah, that one worked out well perfect.

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Speaker 1: That's a real real swish first down, touch back situation.

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Speaker 1: It was very funny when people the soccer episodes, I

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Speaker 3: So I think that, like I think Enrique Trio is

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, but like, but I do like the fact

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Speaker 1: Right where it's like, yeah I could, I know, I

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Speaker 1: service with the SS, which would come to be known

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Speaker 1: as the s D, and he puts a guy we've

430
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Speaker 1: talked about on this podcast called Reinhard Heydrich in charge

431
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Speaker 1: of it. Heydrick is the guy who will host the

432
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Speaker 1: VONSE conference and be the organizer of the Holocaust, right,

433
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: the high level organizer. Right.

434
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Speaker 3: Wait, okay, let's get it. Let's get our essays together.

435
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: So we got s S S a s D.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the SD is the intelligence service within the SS. Right,

437
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: the SS has its own CIA basically.

438
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Speaker 3: Okay, so San Antonio San Diego and Saint Something what

439
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Speaker 3: is that? Uh uh San.

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Speaker 1: San Salvador Salvid Okay, here we go, all right? Found

441
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Speaker 1: out how helpful this is to the audience. Just think

442
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: of a different helpful for me. Yeah. So there's this

443
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: subset of the SS that's taking over, and right now

444
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: they're like intelligence for the party. So they're trying to,

445
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, are our events safe? Is there anyone plotting

446
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: to carry out an attack against Hitler? That's what they're

447
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: doing at this stage. And him puts Reinhardt Heidrich in

448
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: charge of it. And Heydrick had just gotten fired from

449
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: the Navy because he had broken off an engagement and

450
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: been found dishonorable. He was engaged to I think an

451
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: admiral's daughter, So I forget the exact story, but he's

452
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: fucking around and he gets cashiered out of the Navy

453
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: for fucking around in a way that they think is

454
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: unbecoming of an officer. So he broke it off.

455
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Speaker 3: He broke it off because he was trying to like

456
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: spread the seeds, not like it just wasn't working out.

457
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it was a he

458
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: was cheating, right, Okay, that's the gist of it, which

459
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: is conduct unbecoming of an officer. So when he and

460
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: Himmler meet, Heidrick had told him like, oh, yeah, I

461
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: was an information officer in the navy, right, and Himmler,

462
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: not knowing much about the military because he was never

463
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: really a soldier but really feeling like he'd been a soldier,

464
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: pretends that like decides that means spy, right, that goes

465
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: an information officer, he must have been a spy. I've

466
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: got a real army spy heading up my totally real

467
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: spy network that I invented, right, and he gives Hydrick

468
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: the job, although in reality, Hydrick had been an information officer,

469
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 1: but he was a signals officer, which means he had

470
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: an expertise and like using you know how they use

471
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: like those different signals on boats when they can't communicate

472
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: by radio or whatever, Like that's what he knows how

473
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: to do. He's not like a spy. He knows like

474
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: which signs that you hold up will tell a boat

475
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: what to do, So that's super valid for this. He's

476
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: not like a He's not like fucking James Bond, And

477
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of what Himler thinks he's getting. But again,

478
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: Hitler doesn't know anything about the army, right or the navy.

479
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: He's like, you're basically a spy, and Hydrich's like, yeah,

480
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: definitely pretty much a spy. That's what you give resume.

481
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: It's scary. As nineteen thirty one ended, the ss had

482
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Speaker 1: grown to more than ten thousand members. So again, in

483
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: the first two years they go from a few hundred

484
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: to more than ten thousands. So he's, you know, he's

485
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: done very well on this side of things. Now he

486
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: Himmler talks a lot about how we're only hiring racially

487
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: the best, but the racial qualifications at this point are

488
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: just based on vibes, right. Himler would later explain this

489
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: is kind of what they're thinking when they're evaluating someone

490
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: from membership because the candidate's face revealed clear traces of

491
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: foreign blood, such as excessively protruding cheekbones. So you just

492
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: kind of do they look like their NORDI I see

493
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: some slav in your face or whatever. That is so

494
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: funny to me. You white if you kind of look white, right,

495
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: like you just gotta look you know, I know you

496
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: look white, but you look like white white yeah, you

497
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: don't look like the right kind of white I think, homie,

498
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: like you guys were born too near the Alps. Can't

499
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: trust you man, some of you modern some of you

500
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: modern a right wing Nazis. Boy, y'all wouldn't have made

501
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: the cut, homie.

502
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Speaker 4: Like you ain't white enough for your white Heinrich Himmler

503
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 4: shouldn't have made the look at him, look at him. Yeah,

504
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: speaking of people who are racially here's ads Jesus was.

505
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: Yeah that that didn't I won't good. We're back and

506
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about Heinrich Himmler and how well he does

507
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: or does not meet the uh beauty standards. Yeah, the

508
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: beauty standards that you expect of someone who talks racially

509
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: about the ship he talks about. And there are jokes

510
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: in the Third Reich that are like, uh, you know,

511
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: the ideal arian is as uh as as blonde as Hitler,

512
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: and like blue as Himmler's and all this kind of stuff. Right,

513
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: So a little self awareness people of people. People are

514
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: joking about this, right like that, Yeah that this is

515
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit, right like that? That a lot of

516
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: but like you know, again, it's in the same way

517
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: as most people, even most people who voted for Trump

518
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: are aware that like he is not as healthy as

519
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: he pretends to be. He has not lived the ki

520
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: of life that they think is good. They just ya,

521
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: he hurts the people they don't like, and so they're

522
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: willing to pretend that stuff isn't obvious. But they are

523
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: aware of it, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're just not

524
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: willing to say therefore it just doesn't matter to them, Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

525
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: So the fact that Himmler, so again, Himmler's not there's

526
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: not yet a formal, actual scientific way of keeping the

527
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: SS racially peer. It's just based kind of on vibes.

528
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: And part of this the reason why is that, like

529
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: Himler needs bodies, right, and it's not. And so it's

530
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: not until the end of nineteen thirty one that he

531
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: feels secure enough in the membership they've gained and the

532
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: size they are that he announces a new stricter set

533
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: of rules. But at the end of thirty one he

534
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: makes it the SS rule that all members of the

535
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: organization now had to secure permission to get married, and

536
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: their potential wives would have to be assessed by the

537
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: racial office that he just established in the SS before

538
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: they could get married. Peter Longrich, in his biography of

539
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: Himler writes Himmler was fully aware of the fact that

540
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: his marriage order would be met with incomprehension, indeed ridicule

541
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: outside his organization even anticipated the reaction. The SS is

542
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: convinced that with this order, it has taken a step

543
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: of great significance. Derision, scorn and incomprehension will not sway us.

544
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: The future is ours. So like, we know people are

545
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: going to be cool with this, but like, what are

546
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: you going to do about it? We're in charge now,

547
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: and you voted to be a Nazi. The head of

548
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: the new Racial Office was a guy in the SS

549
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: was a guy named Walter Dharr, and like Himmler, Darr

550
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: had been a farm worker, although he had been a

551
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: farm worker for real, as opposed to for a season.

552
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: He'd written a book titled The Peasantry as the Life

553
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: Source of the Nordic Race, and he was one of

554
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: the first Nazi intellectuals to make the argument that the

555
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: Nordic race had a lower birth rate than other races, which,

556
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: if not corrected, would lead to extinction. Now, like Himmler,

557
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: dar had become a believer in the artaman theory. If

558
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: this ancient warrior priests of Wotan, and the two had

559
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: first met through their interest in Misstaus, they're both big.

560
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: Why don't we get away from Christianity and adopt Wotan

561
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: worship again? Guys. In nineteen thirty two, the ss adopted

562
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: it's now infamous double lightning bolt symbol. Right, and these

563
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: are actually this is you know, you can close your

564
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: eyes and picture in the SSA. It's a very successful logo.

565
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: These are actually a pair. They're not s's. They're a

566
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: pair of sig runs from the armen and runic alphabet

567
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: that Guido von List created. So that's what that symbol

568
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: comes from. It's from this fake alphabet that's got its roots.

569
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of was inspired by some actual runs, but

570
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: he mostly dreams them. That guidled on this art project. Man, yeah,

571
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: that's a very successful art project. Very successful. That's quite

572
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: a logo.

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00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: That's you know, you hate to say it, but like again,

574
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: the design aesthetic, it.

575
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Works, it worked, god damn. Yeah. Yeah, they had some

576
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: good marketers on the team. Now. Ye List argued that

577
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: the runes, the sig runes mean victory, so it literally

578
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: is like victory. Victory. That's what that symbol means. By

579
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: April of nineteen thirty two, the SS had swollen their

580
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: ranks to more than twenty five thousand people, and they'd

581
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: break forty thousand members in June of nineteen thirty two.

582
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Himmler's success in this remarkable task owed a lot to

583
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: the explosion of the Nazi Party and its electoral victories.

584
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Tons of Conservatives and otherwise a political rich people saw

585
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: which way the wind was blowing. Now, for some of them,

586
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: just joining the party is enough. But some of them

587
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: are like, I think I want to be if I

588
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: just joined the party, that's going to be the norm soon,

589
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: and I'm comfortable being an elite. And the SS offers

590
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: these guys a ready made way to set themselves apart

591
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: as members of the elite in this new order. Oh,

592
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: you want to stay elite, we'll just join the SS, baby,

593
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: as long as your backgrounds pure Nordic will take you,

594
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and then you're automatically in the upper echelon of the

595
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: new society that we're building. Right And you know, I

596
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: maybe your background isn't as racially tidy as Himler might

597
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: normally want. You know, that could be a problem. Or

598
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: the SS always has benefit funds that can use donations, right,

599
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you give some donations and maybe the

600
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: SS maybe we find that your racial history is better

601
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: than we thought it was. Right, We've always been movable

602
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: on this, rather the story of guys like von Let's

603
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: just deciding to become nobles and whatnot.

604
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, maybe that Dane blood is not so dany,

605
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: you know.

606
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that celt blood is a little bit more Nordic.

607
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: You know.

608
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: So while the Tida history certainly helps Himmler out in

609
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: expanding the SSS size, I don't ignore his actual talents

610
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: as an organizer, because those are integral to the SS's success.

611
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: Heinrich is not a passive figure in this recruitment boom.

612
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: He has particular skill at finding a certain type of

613
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: young man in the party and actively grooming and recruiting

614
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: him for the SS. Heinrich's ideal recruits are fuck ups, right,

615
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: These are guys who have they generally come from his

616
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: echelona society, middle classupper middle class, but they haven't succeeded, right,

617
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: and so they've got very little going on but a

618
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: burning need to feel important, this feeling that I am

619
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: owed more in society, and guys like this, Himmler realizes,

620
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: will be fantastically loyal to any organization that plucks them

621
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: out of obscurity and promises to make them important. Right

622
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: if you can find guys like this and put them

623
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: somewhere and say now you matter, they'll do anything for you,

624
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: because what matters most to them is having status. Long

625
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: Rich provides several examples of the kind of people Himmler's

626
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: recruiting and his biography of Himmler. One local SS leader

627
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: is a guy named Kurt Witchie, who's a former reichswair

628
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: officer that's the army after the war, but who gets

629
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: shitcanned from his army job for homosexual activities. Now, he

630
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: hides that he's been discharged for this when he joins

631
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: the SS, but Himler finds out about it, and he's

632
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: fine to take this guy because the fact that this

633
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: man is like a capable organizer and whatnot, who has

634
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: a shame that he wants to keep hidden. That means

635
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Himmler can trust this guy, right, because Himmler's got something

636
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: hanging over his head. Another recruit was Friedrich Jeckeln, who

637
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: is a World War One veteran who had married a

638
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: rich woman, but her father had cut him off from

639
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: the family money. This led Jecklin to conclude that the

640
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: family he'd married and who had Jewish blood, based on nothing,

641
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: which starts to alienate his wife. He begins drinking heavily.

642
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: They get divorced, and he winds up bankrupt and desperate,

643
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: so he joins the Nazis in nineteen twenty nine. He

644
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: joins the SS in nineteen thirty after Himler finds him

645
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: and is like, I think this guy's got some potential

646
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: for an idea of what a piece of shit this

647
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: guy is. In nineteen thirty he tells his wife he'll

648
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: be able to pay her alimony quote only when Germany

649
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: is free. So these are the kind of dudes Himmler's gathering,

650
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: As Peter Lowert summarizes Himler had gathered around himself a

651
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: group of men who, although they no more matched the

652
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: high ideals of the SS than he did himself, whenevertheless,

653
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: men on whose loyalty he could rely, many of them

654
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: were dependent on him for their very material existence, a

655
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: situation which, when necessary he knew how to exploit. And

656
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: this is just this is just gangshit, right, how you run.

657
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: This is gang shit? Uh huh, yes, this is gang shit?

658
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah period, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get fucking shooters around

659
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: you who you can trust in part because you know

660
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: you all have compromising info on each other, right.

661
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: You all have compromising info on each other, and you

662
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: have there's no other place you can go because any

663
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: other any other place you would run to would report

664
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: to me that you ran over there, right, and because

665
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: they scared of me too.

666
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: And then lastly, how you're gonna make money? Nigga ware?

667
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, stage, who else is having it? Who else

668
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: is having you? You can't get no job? You know

669
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You ain't gonna do shit. Just man,

670
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: go burn down at uh that tavern right there. I'll

671
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: talk to you later.

672
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's basically how it's going. Yeah. And men

673
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: who meet Himler during this period tended to describe him

674
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: as cold, anxious to seem like someone with power, and

675
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: deeply insecure underneath it all. He compensated for this insecurity

676
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: by wearing an a elaborate military style uniform and only

677
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: associating with men who owed him everything and would play

678
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: into his image as the tough, knightly warrior of the

679
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: Nordic race. Ernst Hompstangle, Hitler's friend, who shared an office

680
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: with Heinrich during this period, would later recall that Himmler's

681
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: military haircut and mustache failed to disguise his quote pale

682
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: way face, receding chin and blank expression. Another Nazi, Albert Krebs,

683
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: described Himmler in a similar way, saying he quote behaved

684
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: coarsely and showed off by adopting the manners of a

685
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: freebooter and expressing anti bourgeoisie views, though in doing so

686
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: he was only trying to disguise his innate insecurity and awkwardness.

687
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: Krebs complained during a train ride that Himler inundated him

688
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: with stupid and endless prattle, a peculiar mix of warlike bombast,

689
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: the saloon bar views of a petty bourgeoisie, and the

690
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: enthusiastic prophecies of a sectarian preacher. Right, he is just

691
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: very much this kind of guy where he's it's this

692
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: mix of talking about how tough he is and how

693
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: totally he would fight in a civil war if he

694
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: had to, and he'd be best at it, and like

695
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: this kind of gutter racism that makes him sound like

696
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: that it's not like that's not like rich like sophisticated racism, right,

697
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: the racism of like a used car salesman. Right. And

698
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: then yeah, like these kind of apocalyptic political prophecies based

699
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: on these mystical tracks and all this Hitler shit that

700
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: he believes about this coming race war. And it's important

701
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: to note that other Nazis really don't like him, you know,

702
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: they find him kind of like off putting. He's just

703
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: like this weird Nazi for this guy for whom Nazism

704
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: is a nerd, like a nerdy thing like he's he

705
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: is a Folcish nerd, as opposed to someone who's like, well,

706
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: this is useful because I want to be in power, right,

707
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: And that's kind of off put into these guys who

708
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: are more or less in it for the power, right.

709
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: But his unlike and Himmler is aware of this side

710
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: of himself. He writes in his diary about how unhappy

711
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: he is when he goes on these rants, and he's like,

712
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: I should have kept my mouth shuit. I shouldn't have

713
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: said my weirdest weird shit about like my belief about

714
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: reincarnation during the serious business meeting. What the fuck is

715
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: wrong with me? Why do I do this? Like he

716
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: gets a secret.

717
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a secret Tryhard just buried inside of him.

718
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just like, why did I do that? Yeah? Yeah?

719
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: And this is although part of why he succeeds, because

720
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: Hitler's not unaware of this fact. And there's people close

721
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: to Hitler who like Hitler, I don't know, kind of

722
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: a weird, weirdd weave, Like he kind of seems off

723
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: putting to me. But that's a plus to Hitler because

724
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: nobody's Himmler's not going to take power from you. Hitler

725
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: may think Himmler's the next Hitler, but as Hitler, you're

726
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: not worried about him becoming the next Hitler.

727
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, believe me. You don't have to hide your

728
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: daughter's buddy. Right, We're good. He doesn't look like he's

729
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: trying to advance himself at the at a cost to

730
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: the fewer or the party.

731
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: Right.

732
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: He's reliable when shit got gets ugly as it gets.

733
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: In August of nineteen thirty two, the day after that

734
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: year's Reichstag election, the Nazis are certain that final victory

735
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: is imminent. But this is again not the very last election, right,

736
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: there's still a long period of politicking before which Hitler's

737
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: going to become the chancellor, and the Sanss kind of

738
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: jumped the gun and they start a bombing and murdering spree,

739
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: killing their political opponents in Koenigsberg. Himmler himself seems to

740
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: be the guy who orchestrates this terror campaign, so it's

741
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: him that is jumping the gun, right. He has his

742
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: goons kill the editor of a left wing paper, they

743
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: kill a communist city official, they murder several other people

744
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: that had been listed as public enemies of the party.

745
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: But they go too early. The Nazis are not in

746
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: charge yet, there's still something of an independent media and

747
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: there's a public backlash, right because the public they're going to,

748
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, be supportive of the Nazis taking power, but

749
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: they don't want it to look like this. This is scary, right,

750
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: People getting bombed in the street is messy, you know. Yeah, yeah,

751
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: we want you guys to deport everybody, but right, we

752
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: don't want it to look like this. This makes me

753
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: worry that I might get targeted. Yeah, So Himmler has

754
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: to shut the hush up his own involvement. He has

755
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: to pretend he didn't do this, and he does that

756
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: so successfully that there was debate until pretty recently as

757
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: to how involved he wasn't all of this. Yeah, but

758
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: the fact that he reliably organized the shedding of blood

759
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: for the movement and then shut up about it afterwards

760
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: raises his image in Hitler's eye, because again, this is

761
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: just a gang, right, Like he's able to go out

762
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: and kill some fuckers and he doesn't. He doesn't brag

763
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: about it afterwards, So Hitler, that makes Hitler like I

764
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: can trust this this guy's writer or die? Yeah? Yeah,

765
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the perfect type of writer.

766
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: Died.

767
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: That's like I only know credit. Man, I'm here for

768
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: the calcer. You feel me Like, dang, Yeah, he's a

769
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: little off putting in weird, but like that's not what

770
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: I give a shit about, is Hitler? Right now? You

771
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: know I can trust him? Wow?

772
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a piece of me that's like not that shit,

773
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: but the shit that's that's relatable in the sense like

774
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: all of us in our own ways have to learn

775
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: how to like tamp down our nerdery.

776
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

777
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: Like I was just hanging out with some guys and

778
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 3: they actually I mean, and they ask me questions about

779
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: like autocrats and borders, and like the urge for me

780
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: to just be like, I actually don't believe in borders

781
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: at all, and I'm like a chunk, like I think

782
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: that they're only enforced by violence, and I just can't

783
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: think of any time in history or putting a dude

784
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: in charge has worked. So I'm like, wait, yeah, I'm

785
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: like having to like catch myself to be like, don't

786
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: let that part out is something that is a little

787
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: bit relatable. The problem is, I mean, the difference obviously

788
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: with this dude is like what he does let out

789
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: is the racist merger.

790
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you know what I don't want to

791
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: let out is I don't need There's certain people that

792
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: don't need to know too much about how much I

793
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: like Warhammer forty thousand and the thing exactly, the thing

794
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: that he's trying not to let out is that he

795
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: believes he's the reincarnation of a dead prince from the

796
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: year one thousands. Are like, I just wanted to kill communists?

797
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Did was there more to it than that? Yeah? We

798
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: all have this weird, this weird magic ship.

799
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, because right could Sophie right now could rattle off

800
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: the statistics of summer League for the Lakers.

801
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I want to know that. Oh, get

802
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: her talking about Twilight Jesus, you want to you want

803
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: to give her a Heinler Kimbler moment. Yeah, come on now,

804
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: but you know better?

805
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: Is the point is, like you like, nobody wants to

806
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: know this, Like it's fine.

807
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: And Himmler doesn't have that filter in his head, right,

808
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: and he yeah, he just kind of assumes at a

809
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: certain point that like anyone high up in the party

810
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: is into this ship and they aren't. All yeah. So

811
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: it's a few months later, after this bombing campaign where

812
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: the the S S n s A go off a

813
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: little early, that the Nazis finally achieved their goal and

814
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: Hitler becomes chancellor. This does not bring total power, right

815
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, the Nazis are engaged in

816
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: a kind of dangerous dance because the military could still

817
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: overthrow them, especially if the conservative elites and the military

818
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: had gotten on the same page. Obviously, it doesn't happen,

819
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: and from this point forward in the story, Himmler and

820
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: the SS are no longer paramilitaries. They are now increasingly

821
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: part of the state. And it wasn't a guarantee that

822
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: the SS would become a part of the state. The

823
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: Essay I think, I mean they think there's a degree

824
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: to which they're made an official part, but there never

825
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: The Essay under Rome wanted to replace the army. That

826
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: was Rome's goal. Okay, so yeah, they are now part

827
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: of the state, and it wasn't a guarantee because the

828
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Essay doesn't really become part of the state and the

829
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: way they had wanted to They don't get to become

830
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: part of the military. The SS is going to have

831
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: military divisions with tanks and artillery and shit. And also

832
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be part of the security service. They're

833
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: running the concentration camps. Eventually, that wasn't a guarantee. When

834
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: the Nazis came to power, it was guarantee they were

835
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: going to be camps for their enemies, but not that

836
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: the SS would run them. This is where himmler'sing again.

837
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: This is part of where you see his genius for

838
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: politics come into play, because he is going to have

839
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: to fight against a lot of people in order to

840
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: make the SS what they become. And his situation here

841
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: is booyed by a few factors. One of them is

842
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: that his previous mentors Rome and Strasser were rapidly falling

843
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: out of favor. Right, once in power, he doesn't have

844
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: to worry about either of them because it's clear, you know,

845
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Strausser's out and Rome is on the outs with Hitler.

846
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: So his main rival is Hermann Garring, right and Gearing.

847
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: He's on paper someone you gotta be really concerned about.

848
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: He's a war hero. He took over the Red Baron's

849
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: fighter squadron after the Red Baron got killed in World

850
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: War One, like he was an and he's famous, like

851
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: he's a celebrity for being such a good pilot. And

852
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: he was there, he got badly wounded and went into

853
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: hiding after the Munich beer Hall putsh Like he's a

854
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: hero for the party too. So on paper, he's this guy,

855
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: this is a formidable guy, and he is Hitler makes

856
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: he's Hitler's picked successor on paper, if Hitler were to die,

857
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: Erring is the one who's supposed to take over. And

858
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: he has initially given control of the Gestapo, the secret

859
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: police in Prussia, the largest German state, and he's basically

860
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: in charge of policing in Prussia, which is a massive deal. Right,

861
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: and so Himmler is going to be fighting to take

862
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: all of this away from him. Now, ultimately this works

863
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: for Himler, and there's a couple of reasons. One of

864
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: them is that Gerring always has other guys that he

865
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: is fighting with over this who with himselves fighting for

866
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: control of the Gestapo of the different state police, and

867
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: Himmler is periodic, is on several occasions going to seem

868
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: like the lesser of two evils, like, well, if I

869
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: back him in this, he'll get more power. But this

870
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: guy I think is more my enemy will lose power.

871
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: And again Himmler's the lowest threat. Right. Yeah, some of

872
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Gering's judgment in this is thrown off by the fact

873
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: that Gering is a pain killer addict. At this point,

874
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: he's popping OxyS. They're equivalent of oxes. He is badly

875
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: addicted and will be throughout the whole period the Right

876
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: is in power. He goes on and off and stuff.

877
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: But he doesn't get sober until Nuremberg. I did not

878
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: know that he is, so he is, and that's one

879
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: of those things. By the time they get in power,

880
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: he's been a very competent member of the party up

881
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: to this point. He's old, he's got a serious injury,

882
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: he's got chronic pain, and he kind of just wants

883
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: to fuck off and relax and enjoy being in power.

884
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: And so to an extent, that's why, because Himmler is

885
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: purely focused on winning this struggle. Yeah, and it's never

886
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: existential for Gearing. Garing knows he's not going to wind

887
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: up getting kicked out, he's not going to get long knived,

888
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: he's not going to be iced out of power totally.

889
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: He just won't be in charge of the cops. And

890
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: he's got other shit in his portfolio, right, He's got

891
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: the Luftwaffa, you know. So it's this kind of thing.

892
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: Himler feels like Garing feels like, I can afford to

893
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: lose to Himmler, and I don't want to lose to

894
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. But Himler's positioned himself as

895
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: a counter to and so through over this period of

896
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: like a year and a half two years, the first,

897
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, all most a little less than two years

898
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: of Nazis are in power, Hitler over and over again

899
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: takes over these different state police agencies that Gering and

900
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: other people had been in charge of, and he's kind

901
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: of methodically. When he can't take direct control of a

902
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: police agency, he'll work and use his political connections to

903
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: a point and a member of the SS to head

904
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: a local police force. Right, And then that police force

905
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: isn't under the SS, but the guy heading it is

906
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: my man, and so I can still effectively order this

907
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: group around, right. Yeah.

908
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: One of Hitler's question, I'm still trying to think, like, Okay,

909
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: what's the cost benefit here, like the pros and cons

910
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: of being the crew that runs the camps.

911
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: Well, that's a what do you read question that. Yeah,

912
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that you gain from being

913
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: the guys who run the camps. And we'll talk. We're

914
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: talking because I wanted to introduce how the camps got started. Wow, okay,

915
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: But the gist of it is that and this is

916
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: with any organization, and this is actually my best again,

917
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: my best career advice is try to find a company

918
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: doing something or like an organization doing something that you

919
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: want to be doing that's new, and then figure out

920
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: what they're not doing yet and volunteer to do it,

921
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: like stick yourself in and create a job for yourself.

922
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: And this is concentration camps are New Germany had not

923
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: had a massive network of concentration camps for political prisoners,

924
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: certainly not for racial prisoners during the Weimar era that

925
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: had prisons, which is kind of where some of the

926
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: first camps arise out of. Yeah, but the system is new,

927
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: and so there's going to be a bunch of people

928
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: starting camps at the beginning. The first concentration camps in

929
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: Germany arise within days of Hitler taking power, and they

930
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: have a multitude of fathers. Some camps are a local

931
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: essay chapter. Will be like time to round up the

932
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: Jews we don't like and the Communists we don't like

933
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: in this city, right, And will you know there's this

934
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: old school that no one's operating. We'll just break in.

935
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: We'll throw them in there, we'll board it up and

936
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: lock it up and will like beat murder a bunch

937
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: of them. We'll keep them in there for a couple

938
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: of weeks or whatever. Right as a wild concentration camp.

939
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: Those are what they're called. So they're not they're often

940
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: not not all of them are officially part of the government,

941
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: because again, some of them are just the essays doing it. Yeah, right,

942
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: those are the indie bands, all right, yes, yeah, there's

943
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: the indie bands of concentration camps, and some of them

944
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: are created by local police. There's these police agencies, and

945
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, they wind up or had already been run

946
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: by Nazis, and once Hitler's in power, they're able to

947
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: be like, all right, let's start rounding up people, and

948
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: we'll take over these buildings, these old government buildings or

949
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: whatnot that we weren't using, or you know whatever, wherever

950
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: we're putting them. We'll put people in a camp. We'll

951
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: murder some of them, will torture the others. And the

952
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: SS creates some wild concentration camps of their own in

953
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: this period, using you know, they've got the SD, this

954
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: intelligence service. So Heydrick's saying, we should grab these people

955
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: in this state, and they're doing it. And so you've

956
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: kind of got the Essay and the local police and

957
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: the essays all running some camps of their own, but

958
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: none of them super official, and him learn, no, we're

959
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: going to keep doing camps, and we can't keep doing

960
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: it this way. The Nazi state can't just have random

961
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: wild concentration camps run by whoever. That's just not acceptable.

962
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: We're going to need an organized system to destroy our enemies,

963
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: and the SS needs to have total control of that system, right,

964
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: And he sees this as within the SS's purview because

965
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: they're a nightly order with the goal of birthing a

966
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: purified area and race, and part of doing that is

967
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: going to be getting rid of the people who are

968
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: who should not be breeding, right, and a camp's a

969
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: great way to do that. The bones of what become

970
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: the official camp system start in police institutions established by

971
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: the Liberal by our government. One star such organ was

972
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: the Munich Political Police, who had been ordered during the

973
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: Weimar era to combat political extremism, and because they're cops,

974
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: that just meant fighting communists, right. And so when the

975
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: Nazis takeover, Heinrich puts Reinhardt Heidrich in charge of the

976
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: Munich Political Police and they start arresting people social democrats

977
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: and and communists and other leftists. This is primarily political

978
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: at first, and they use what they call protective custody,

979
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: which is a legal term that allows them to arrest

980
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: their political enemies and in turning them in camps under

981
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: the guise of keeping them safe. Right. Docou is established

982
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: as the first formal concentration camp in order to hold

983
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: people in protective custody. Himmler explained the term in a

984
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: press conference. I have made quite extensive use of protective custody.

985
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: I felt compelled to do this because in many parts

986
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: of the city there has been so much agitation that

987
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: it has been impossible for me to guarantee the safety

988
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: of those particular individuals who have provoked it. I must

989
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: emphasize one point in particular, for us, a citizen of

990
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: the Jewish faith is as much as citizens as someone

991
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: who is not of the Jewish faith, and his life

992
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: and property are subject to the same protection. We make

993
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: no distinction in this respect. So you see they still

994
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: got it for tend No, No, Jews are still citizens

995
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of these because a lot of the

996
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: leftists and whatnot they're going after are Jewish. Right, they're

997
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: not targeting people primarily just because they're not randomly grabbing

998
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: random Jews off the street. For the most part, that

999
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: does happen. They're mainly focusing on people who are politically

1000
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: opposed to them. But if you're Jewish in a political enemy,

1001
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: that'll get you to the front of the line night

1002
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: and you'll get in. You'll be a lot more likely

1003
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: to get murdered obviously, but he's saying like, no, no, no,

1004
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: we're not. We're resting these guys because they're political agitators,

1005
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: but we want to keep him safe. You know, we

1006
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to these people, So we got a

1007
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: lot in Docou for their own good. Yes. Docou begins

1008
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: operating in March of nineteen thirty three. This is very

1009
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: soon after Hitler takes power. It is operated at first

1010
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: by the Munich Police, but in April, using his authority

1011
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: as head of the Bavarian political police, Himmler gives the

1012
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: camp to the SS. Right so he puts Hydrick in charge.

1013
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: Docau is established as a Munich police concentration camp, and

1014
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: then in April of thirty three, Himmler gives the camp

1015
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: to the SS. Lower Rich writes that quote. Immediately after

1016
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: taking over the camp, the SS indulged in an orgy

1017
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: of violence, which cost four Jewish prisoners their lives. Subsequent

1018
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: investigations revealed that the camp common hillmar Wackel had issued

1019
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: special regulations according to which martial law was to prevail

1020
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: over the camp. There was a camp court over which

1021
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: he presided and which could even pass death sentences. So

1022
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: the SS takes over. They immediately just start executing Jews,

1023
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: and this commandant Wackerl, is like, well, it's you know,

1024
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: we had a court. We just I'm the court and

1025
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: I said they could do it.

1026
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: Listen, we have a process, and the process is asking

1027
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: me yeah, and I say, he wouldn't be down.

1028
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: I say, it's cool again taking powers of process. There's

1029
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: still a media and there's still public opinion you have

1030
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: to deal with. And this outrages Germans right near Dacau

1031
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: especially that like, oh, you're just murdering people. That's not

1032
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 1: what we thought we were getting, right, And so state

1033
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: investigators demand Himler explain why the murdered juice has been killed,

1034
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: and Himler doesn't do this. He doesn't really take much

1035
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: action other than he replaces this commandant right in order

1036
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: to smooth things over. He's like, oh, obviously this guy

1037
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: was just kind of a little out of pocket. I'm

1038
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: gonna put Don't worry, I got a new guy to

1039
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: put in. Everything's got to be fined. How do you

1040
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: like this disgraced and broken psychopath who what was everything

1041
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: to me? Does that seem like a better pick? He'll

1042
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: do it, I'll tell you, doc ou, He'll do what

1043
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. This broken psychopath's name is Theodore Ike.

1044
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: Ike had been and he was a veteran in the military.

1045
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: He'd been a paymaster, and he had tried in the

1046
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: Weimar era to become a police officer and repeatedly failed

1047
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: the entrance exam. So we're already off to a great start.

1048
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: When the police in Germany in the twenties is like

1049
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: a fan ah man n nahjee.

1050
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: You seem like too much of a crazy racist for us. Yeah,

1051
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: so the best he can manage. He's such a stereotype.

1052
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: All he can manage is to become a security guard, right.

1053
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: And Frustrated at his failures, he joins the Nazi Party

1054
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty eight in the SS. Soon after, in

1055
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty two, he gets arrested after being caught building

1056
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: a bomb badly, and he gets fired from his job.

1057
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: Ike claims that he'd been set up by enemies inside

1058
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party, but was given a two year prison Now,

1059
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: because then and now, Nazis get treated with kids gloves

1060
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: even when they are arrested, Ike was allowed to leave

1061
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: prison when he claimed to be sick. He's like, h

1062
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: I go over the weekend. You know, rest up, and

1063
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: he just escapes to Italy during this period, but he

1064
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: comes back in February of thirty three because Hitler's in power,

1065
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: and he's like, obviously I won't go to prison now.

1066
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're good now. Yeah. So Himmler invites him

1067
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: to Munich and he makes Ike promise to clean up

1068
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: his act. But Ike gets into a brawl with the

1069
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: cops right after this, and he gets arrested and they're like, oh,

1070
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: this guy's got a warrant, so they send him to prison,

1071
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: and he goes on a hunger strike, which gets him

1072
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: sent to a mental hospital, and Himmler's like, oh fuck,

1073
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: this guy removes him from the SS ranks for breaking

1074
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: his vow to stay out of trouble. Now. Luckily for Ike,

1075
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: the director of this clinic, this mental hospital that he

1076
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: winds up in, is a Nazi. He would later help

1077
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: run the T four euthanasia program. And this Nazi murderer

1078
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: declares Ike saying, So Himmler's like, well, if you're saying

1079
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: welcome back to the SS, how would you like to

1080
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: be a commandat of docow? Right? Good?

1081
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1082
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: The docs that were good? Wow? Yeah. And Ike later

1083
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: wrote of Himmler. If my farre had not achieved power

1084
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: in Germany, I would have spent all of my life

1085
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: going to prison and would never have been able to

1086
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: take up public office. Like he writes this to Himmler,

1087
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: where he's like, I owe everything to this party, which

1088
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: is just that's the kind of guy the SS is recruiting.

1089
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 3: What a sentence. Yeah, Amen, it would have been nothing

1090
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: Without helping. Amen, I'd have been in jail forever. But

1091
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: instead I run this shit.

1092
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah he knows whereas but is what side of

1093
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: his toast is buttered on? Now Ike proves to have

1094
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: a genius for the work. He establishes guidelines along which

1095
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: all future camps will be created. This is called the

1096
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: Dochou model, right, That's what Ike establishes. He's formalizing how

1097
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: camps are going to work in Germany. Peter Longrich writes,

1098
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: among the essential elements of this system where the ceiling

1099
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: off of the camp from the outside world, in particular,

1100
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: the determination to prevent escapes, the separation of the guards

1101
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: from the commandant's office, the introduction of work details for

1102
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: the prisoners, sematized use of force through the introduction of

1103
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: a uniform set of punishments the disciplinary and Punishment Code,

1104
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: as well as strict discipline for the guards who were

1105
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: subject to a specific disciplinary code. The aim of creating

1106
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: the impression that the old arbitrary regime had now been

1107
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: replaced by one that was strict but nevertheless bound by

1108
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: certain rules was an additional aspect of this new system.

1109
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: An actual fact. The camp was ruled by arbitrary terror.

1110
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: The prisoners lived in continual fear for their lives. Ike

1111
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: was concerned above all to prevent arbitrary murders by the guards.

1112
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: The right to kill prisoners should be confined solely to

1113
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: the camp authorities. Now this is never the case. In practice,

1114
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: guards continue to murder prisoners through the entirety of the

1115
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: CAZy system. Right, that's the concentration camp system. But by

1116
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: removing regular police from being involved at all and isolating

1117
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: the camps from the rest of German culture, Himmler and

1118
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: Ike create a fiction that the camps operate according to

1119
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: a rule of law, because they claiming they do, and

1120
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: no one else gets to see inside. Right, So we're

1121
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: pretending these aren't just monuments to compulsive cruelty. And this

1122
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: makes normal conservative German citizens feel safe and like justice

1123
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: is being done to their enemies. Wow. In roughly a year, Himmler,

1124
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: using the system Ike, develops Birth's a system of camps

1125
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: four enemies of the Reich, owned and operated entirely by

1126
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: the SS, which he runs as a personal fiefdom. Right,

1127
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: and he gets basically, they do so well with this

1128
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: that it's made the rule that any camps like this

1129
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: are going to be run by the SS. There are

1130
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: a few erratic attempts by outside officials to investigate murders

1131
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: and enforce some accountability, but all of these fail and

1132
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: Himler's most effective strategy is simply one of delay. He'd

1133
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: use his friendship with other authorities to get hostile officials

1134
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: transferred or gum up investigations until his foes leave office. Right, Yeah,

1135
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: and then no one will You know, nobody's it's nobody's

1136
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: main job to be focused on the camps. Right. And

1137
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: this is this is a massive coup. Right, You've gone

1138
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: from Well, this is like basically a club that people

1139
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: can join if they want to, that doesn't have any

1140
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: real power outside of Hitler likes. As to now, we

1141
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: are officially running the secret prison Force and are in

1142
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: charge of most of the law enforcement agencies and Jenny

1143
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: and the space of like eighteen months, that's how far

1144
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: they've gone.

1145
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, question answered. I'm like, okay, now I get it.

1146
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 3: Now you need me and yeah, yeah now that Yeah, man,

1147
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: those tables are turning. If we're someone to feel froggy

1148
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: enough to be like, I mean, obviously this couldn't have happened.

1149
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 3: But like I mean, if you run, if you in

1150
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: charge of all the goons and you're executing the whole plan,

1151
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: at some point you could look at Hitler and be like, hey, bro, yeah,

1152
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need you to stay in line.

1153
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't like the shit you doing.

1154
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: Like you could do that if you weren't such a

1155
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: nerd involved in you know, dream letters.

1156
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: Right, And that's that's kind of the thing where there's

1157
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: there's this open because Himler saw himself at a certain

1158
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: point as like being he really wanted to be the

1159
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: uh like the successor to Hitler. Yeah, but I don't

1160
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: know that he ever would have unless until I think

1161
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe if Hitler had lived longer and gotten sick, you know, yeah,

1162
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: maybe something would have happened there. But that's you know,

1163
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: will have to remain kind of like a theory thing.

1164
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: So like would he have ever been able to would

1165
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: he have had the juice to seize power if he'd tried?

1166
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, he clearly he ain't like he not

1167
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 3: built for that, Like he ain't got that metal. Yeah,

1168
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, You ain't. Yeah, you two

1169
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: lighten a booty dog you wasn't you now willing to?

1170
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nope. So the catalyzing moment for Hitler's personal power

1171
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: came during the Night of Long Knives in June of

1172
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. He'd succeeded in becoming probably the most

1173
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: powerful man in German law enforcement by this point, and

1174
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: in the spree of killing that followed, he'd helped eliminate

1175
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: not only his former mentors Strasser in Rome, but dozens,

1176
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: probably hundreds of other Nazis and conservative political and military leaders. Right,

1177
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: this is when all you guys who like thought you

1178
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: were kind of on our side, but you weren't totally

1179
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: bought into the whole Hitler thing. We'll just get rid

1180
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: of you if we think you might cause a problem, right, Yeah.

1181
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: I want to quote from a summary in the private

1182
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: Heidenrich Himler. The perpetrators of these murders came from the

1183
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: ranks of the SS. They emerged stronger from this power struggle,

1184
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: finally separated themselves from the Essay and were designated by

1185
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Hitler as an independent organization, especially obligated to him through

1186
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: their fidelity to the Furor. Himmler was proud of the

1187
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: intimidation tactics of the SS. In November nineteen thirty five,

1188
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: he stated in a speech, there are many people in

1189
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: Germany who are sickened when they see this black uniform.

1190
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: We understand that, and we do not expect to be

1191
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: loved by very many. Oh yeah, that's a bad honor

1192
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: right there, to be like that, you know what I'm saying.

1193
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: I know, we got a lot of haters, I know.

1194
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Everybody built like us man. Yeah,

1195
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: but you need to be scared because like that's our job. Now.

1196
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: We were always the internal guard against the party, against

1197
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: people in the party who might be critical of Hitler,

1198
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: and so you should be scared of us, motherfucker. That's

1199
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: why we have power. In nineteen thirty six, Himler is

1200
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: appointed chief of all German police, directly by Hitler himself.

1201
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Now this was a product of how deftly he'd maneuvered

1202
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: the SS as an instrument for internally policing party members.

1203
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: Because the SS had proven so reliable, Hitler allowed him

1204
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: to begin establishing armed SS units in different cities. The

1205
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: initial justification was always the need to protect Hitler from

1206
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: the enemy within. We've got to have standing armed units

1207
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: ready in key locations in case there's an internal coup

1208
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: or whatnot, and we need to mobilize guys to protect

1209
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: Hitler right away. Himmler is obviously so a weak and

1210
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: unthreatening that most of the men like Gerrng, who should

1211
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: have treated him as a rival, considered him a useful idiot.

1212
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: Right someone will again, I can let this guy win

1213
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: some power. He's not that dangerous, and then eventually this

1214
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: guy winds up with a lot of power. Himler also

1215
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: succeeded by never ruffling the boss's feathers or making himself

1216
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: too much of a character in the media. One of

1217
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: his occult mentors, Von Liebenfels, fell out with Hitler for

1218
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: the simple reason that he'd written about a lot of

1219
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: Hitler's favorite racial theories before Hitler did. We just walked out,

1220
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: how like Hitler and Himmler were both inspired by this

1221
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: guy's nonsense, and Hitler can't have that guy around once

1222
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: he's in power, because then people are gonna be like, well,

1223
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: these ideas were someone else's before they were Hitler's, and

1224
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: that's simply not acceptable. Right. Another guy, one of the

1225
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: guys we've talked about a Nazi mystic who fucked up

1226
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: was Subotandorf, the founder of the Tula Society. Right. This

1227
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: is the guy who founds the organization that Dietrich Eckhart,

1228
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: founder the Nazi Party, is in this group, which is

1229
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: how Himler first gets really tied to a lot of

1230
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: these people. Subotandorf becomes persona non grata in January of

1231
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three because he publishes a book about the

1232
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: Nazi Party before Hitler. Because Subotandorf is there when Eckert

1233
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: is creating the original party and he's like, oh, people

1234
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: will be interested in the fact that there was a

1235
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: Nazi Party before Hitler, and Hitler's like, they absolutely won't.

1236
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: Just okay, whoa, I'm banning your book, right, yeah, absolutely

1237
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: not bro. Yeah. And so when word gets out to

1238
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: the fear or about this book, it's banned across the

1239
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: Reich and Subotandorf has to flee the country to avoid

1240
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: winding up in doc himself.

1241
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just say yeah, like once again, like we

1242
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 3: talked about the beginning of the show, I feel like

1243
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 3: this fine print is not very fine, like this was

1244
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 3: this is in fifty two size point font.

1245
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, what I say is what it is so right?

1246
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: You shouldn't There's no way you didn't know that this

1247
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: book was not gonna fly.

1248
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so by the mid thirties,

1249
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: Heinrik Kimbler. He's the top cop in Germany. But he's

1250
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: also one of very few high ranking Nazis who are

1251
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: serious believers in the occult and these like weird mystical

1252
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: trappings that had once dominated the Volcush movement. A lot

1253
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: of that has been pruned off as they reach mainstream power,

1254
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: where they're like, maybe we don't need as much of

1255
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: this weird shit that like a lot of these bankers

1256
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: think it's kind of odd. People seem to get weird.

1257
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: They cool with all the murder and yeah, in the power,

1258
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: but the magic. They don't like the magic. I thought

1259
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: that was I thought that was the fun part. But

1260
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna be wizards too. Did you guys not get

1261
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: that memo. Yeah, I thought that. It's like, like, you know,

1262
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: it's like Wizard. Oh no, yeah, nobody, you don't like

1263
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: the wizard stuff. Okay, it got it. Basically, the only

1264
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: a cultist at a similar level of power kind of

1265
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: in this period is Rudolph Hess, who's the deputy leader

1266
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: of the Nazi Party and he's Hitler's He and Hitler

1267
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: are cellmates. He like co writes mind cuff with Hitler

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Speaker 1: and Hess had been in the Tula society and he's

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Speaker 1: he's closer to Hitler personally than basically anyone. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about what happens to him, because he's going to wind

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Speaker 1: up being a big part of why Hitler gets way

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Speaker 1: less tolerant for the weird occult stuff in the future.

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Speaker 1: But at this point in the mid thirties, Himmler is

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Speaker 1: top of the world and it's just really him and

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Speaker 1: Hess that are like the weird magic guys in the

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Speaker 1: in the Nazi Party and the higher echelons of the

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Speaker 1: highest echalons of the Nazi Party. So we are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about what comes next in part fucking six.

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Speaker 1: I guess so many episodes, God, gosh, darn it. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: And you know, what though, but you need we needed this,

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Speaker 1: We needed to understand. Ye, there's a lot of Hitler

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Speaker 1: to explain. Yeah, I feel like how this guy works

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Speaker 1: and how he succeeded is really important for people to

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Speaker 1: know as we like watch kind of what's shaking out

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Speaker 1: with the first attempts of the different people around Trump, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to establish a new order. Yeah you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then like the people who get like

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Speaker 3: jettisoned out and like where they went wrong. Like one

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Speaker 3: thing I thought of right now is like, you know

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Speaker 3: where Elon screwed up was like you like the camera

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Speaker 3: too much.

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Speaker 1: On camera two fears man, Like you know, yeah, nah,

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Speaker 1: you see it. Yeah, it's the it's the problem that

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Speaker 1: like yeah, it's too many Nazi syndrome, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the eternal issue. So folks, uh, this has

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Speaker 1: been behind the bastards. If you're looking to help out

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Speaker 1: a charity, we're trying to help the Portland Defense Fund,

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Speaker 1: which is an abolitionist organization that helps to bail people

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Speaker 1: out of jail, primarily people who are going to be

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Speaker 1: public def and have no money for bail or for

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Speaker 1: legal assistance themselves. You can go to donor box just

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Speaker 1: type in donor box Defense Fund PDX, or go to

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Speaker 1: at Defense Fund PDX on venmo and send them a

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Speaker 1: donation via venmo. They are an actual five ozho one

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Speaker 1: ce charitable organization see three charitable organizations, so you know

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Speaker 1: it's tax deductible all that good stuff. Please help them

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Speaker 1: out at Defense Fund PDX on Venmo, donor box Defense

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Speaker 1: Fund PDX and then prop Obviously you got a pluggables

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Speaker 1: to plug. I do man.

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Speaker 3: By the time this came out, I think that the

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Speaker 3: the thing I'm pushing now is I did I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it's a surprise album as much as it

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Speaker 3: I just didn't do any pre promotions. But it's a

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Speaker 3: poetry album. I finally made like a whole album of poetry.

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Speaker 3: It's called The Beautiful Endling, and it's kind of around

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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the missions of Cool Zone

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Speaker 3: where it's like, Okay, look dude, we're at the end

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Speaker 3: of some thing, like something is dying right now, but

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Speaker 3: what can come from this can be beautiful, So like

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Speaker 3: that's kind of what this poetry is about. I realized

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Speaker 3: that you and Sophie don't know that either, so like, wait,

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Speaker 3: I need to send you all the poetry album.

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Speaker 1: Yeah uh please yeah yeah yeah, So that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what I'm pushing now, you know.

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Speaker 3: And also Terrorforms Back the Cold Coffee, please order that.

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Speaker 1: That's on my website and everything's at PROP hip Hop

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Speaker 1: so excellent, all right, check out PROP and check out

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Speaker 1: the remainder of this series, which is somehow still going on,

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Speaker 1: still going still him lerning Baby Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Behind the Bastards is a production of Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Bastards is now available on YouTube. New episodes everyone Wednesday

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