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Speaker 1: Yesterday was a good day. Man, man, we're always killing.
Speaker 1: And then we finished it off at your house, laughing
Speaker 1: and joking. And then man, today special we finally got
Speaker 1: a chance to to to finish the inside of the
Speaker 1: NBA roster off and it's only right man. We finished
Speaker 1: with the one and only Charles Barking. Hey Man, thank
Speaker 1: you Mane. I just want to say I'm proud of
Speaker 1: you guys than I'm proud of you your success. I mean,
Speaker 1: not the NBA because that's that's just talent. But you
Speaker 1: have to find a way to figure out, like how
Speaker 1: am I gonna make money the rest of my life?
Speaker 1: So I'm proud of y'all. Man, keep doing y'all things.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me check in here. Yeah, we had
Speaker 1: to check the ha him at a sports ball because
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to eat while we did the interview.
Speaker 1: Hey man, is he the biggest fifty year old kids
Speaker 1: kid a civilization? I played with Shack on the same
Speaker 1: he was walking around naked, tackling trainers naked like Shaq
Speaker 1: was a menace. But as soon as the ball went
Speaker 1: up at all switched. Man, we could be walking around
Speaker 1: the studio of our own business. That big motherfucker just
Speaker 1: like yo, man. And he's not little neither. He's huge.
Speaker 1: He's the biggest human being in the world, in the world,
Speaker 1: in the world. But but he got a pure heart man,
Speaker 1: I got a great relationship with the Chuck. I'm in
Speaker 1: court for a traffic ticket and I had something else
Speaker 1: in my car and I'm standing there, um think I
Speaker 1: don't know what's about to happen. The judge like, stand up,
Speaker 1: Mr Jackson. Uh He's like, you've been a second, Like
Speaker 1: you know this guy is Shock. On FaceTime they dropped
Speaker 1: all my chart talking to judge said as soon as
Speaker 1: I sat down, he's like standing up for a second.
Speaker 1: Didn't even say nothing to him. He called Shack. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know this guy and Shack making the face on
Speaker 1: FaceTime and they dropped all my charges. You know, Shack
Speaker 1: in somemos. Random dude, Like one day we're stad in
Speaker 1: the studio, he's like, yo, say hello. I'm like, who
Speaker 1: say hello? It's Dr Phil. He faced time in Dr
Speaker 1: Phil and then like, uh, one time he's like, my man,
Speaker 1: run who's like the animal Expert? Like he said hey,
Speaker 1: say hello, and I'm like, who is it? This time?
Speaker 1: He's running the Expert from down in Florida. I mean
Speaker 1: he's a funny, Like, dude, how the hell you FaceTime
Speaker 1: in Dr Phil all over the place? Uh? Man, Speaking
Speaker 1: of Shock being a big human. You look good. We
Speaker 1: just noticed you said, yeah, you finally got your two
Speaker 1: hips from place. You down about fifty pounds. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about that. Man, you know what it's getting weird.
Speaker 1: I'll be sixty, which is crazy this year like ship
Speaker 1: next month, like a month, not next year that this
Speaker 1: year like in a month. You know. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Dr J recently and he's like, yeah, because when
Speaker 1: I got to the NBA, moses like thirty five. We
Speaker 1: call him gramps at thirty five. Now I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: me and my boys are like, yeah, man, you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna be sixty, like in a month. We gotta
Speaker 1: do something. So but my doctor told me, man, especially
Speaker 1: you know, being Black, we don't take good care of
Speaker 1: ourselves when you know, want of obesity and dial beats
Speaker 1: and things like that. It's rampant in our communities. And
Speaker 1: I had gotten really fat. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I gain I just gotten out of shape, just best
Speaker 1: being lazy first and foremost because I was in pain
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, I'm tired of working out.
Speaker 1: So I worked out my whole life and I just
Speaker 1: got tired. Then my hips got bad, and my doctor
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your new hips, he said, But you
Speaker 1: gotta lose weight, man, he said, I see a lot
Speaker 1: of fat young people. I don't see no fat old people.
Speaker 1: He told me. Getting my asks in shape. So in
Speaker 1: the last few months, I'm down about right at fifty,
Speaker 1: but I got a gained like ninety two, you know,
Speaker 1: because you can't do anything when you get those hips.
Speaker 1: So my goal in the next year. So realistically, I
Speaker 1: played at two fifty, I can't get there. So I
Speaker 1: was up to three fifty. So my goal is to
Speaker 1: get to to seventy. And to seventy you don't drop dead,
Speaker 1: hopefully being twenty pounds overweight. But I don't. You can
Speaker 1: drop dead and get diabetes and hope if you're like
Speaker 1: sixty seventy eighty pounds overweight. So right now I feel great.
Speaker 1: I'm down fifty. My goal is to get to about
Speaker 1: two seventy, hey, and get back to change or just
Speaker 1: gotta change your diet. You know, I'm trying like to well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy. What's really weird. I only eat rice,
Speaker 1: corn and potatoes, and clearly everybody try to tip and
Speaker 1: those the starches, which I don't know, what the hell
Speaker 1: that means like, so I'm trying to eat Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 1: It's only two vegetables. I really can stomach, to be honest,
Speaker 1: with a Brussels sprouts because you can put like a
Speaker 1: little turkey baker in them, and and and and roasted caulifler,
Speaker 1: you know. So you know I I like, like, okra,
Speaker 1: I'm not eating that ship avocado um, but things like that.
Speaker 1: So but like I said, you got to eat because
Speaker 1: you can't at our age. You guys a lot younger
Speaker 1: than me. I can't work out enough to be bad.
Speaker 1: I mean like when I was in my prime, I
Speaker 1: told people my pregame meals. I got two fish filets,
Speaker 1: a large fry, and a diet coke. That was my
Speaker 1: pre game. Fissed off with the diet coke. Want to
Speaker 1: diet code. I was like, let me watch this down
Speaker 1: with a diet but it was it was crazy that
Speaker 1: ship you could eat when you like. I was like,
Speaker 1: after practice, you're driving home, I'm like, man, let me
Speaker 1: pick up me two fish files large fry. You can
Speaker 1: watch that thing down with that big die coach. Take
Speaker 1: my pre game nap. I'm good like that. Right now,
Speaker 1: you pass McDonald's. You gain weight. You don't even look
Speaker 1: at it, right, that's funny. Man recently signed a tenure
Speaker 1: mega extension with T ANDT. Congratulations. Talk to us about
Speaker 1: that procecause I don't know if it was true rumors
Speaker 1: that the Live Golf, we're trying to recruit you, and
Speaker 1: there was back and four. I had no problem with Live,
Speaker 1: I told my boys because some of those guys my friends,
Speaker 1: they asked me my pay don't live. I said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: we're not the moral police. The United States do business
Speaker 1: with China, the NBA do business with China, Saudi Arabia
Speaker 1: and everything like that. Don't fall for the selective outrage.
Speaker 1: And I said, go take that money. You gotta take
Speaker 1: care of your family. I ain't gonna say, hey, don't
Speaker 1: take money from here. Here said, because the people actually
Speaker 1: knew where all their money came from, nobody would be working. Yeah. Facts,
Speaker 1: that's facts. And I said, so TNT called me in
Speaker 1: because my magic number was sixty right around there. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been so lucky and blessed. I played an NBA
Speaker 1: for sixteen years. I've been on television for two going
Speaker 1: on twenty three. Yeah, but I'm saying if I don't
Speaker 1: have enough money by now. I'm the biggest, how the
Speaker 1: biggest in the world. If I ain't got enough cash
Speaker 1: by now, I said, guys, I'm winding down because one
Speaker 1: thing I'm very realistic about. When I'm around old NBA players,
Speaker 1: I know my ship ain't gonna be working later, but
Speaker 1: I don't care. I've got to I got the privilege
Speaker 1: to be Charles Barkley and the greatest life ever. But
Speaker 1: whatever happens down the line, because for my body been
Speaker 1: worn down, beat up, it's all good. I got to
Speaker 1: be at my mom my house, my grandmother's house, I
Speaker 1: got to send my nieces to college. I've live up
Speaker 1: a great life and I know my body. Whatever happened
Speaker 1: down the line happens. It is so I want to
Speaker 1: be able to travel the world enjoy life for the
Speaker 1: next few years before it all kicks in. Oh should
Speaker 1: I could drop dead next week. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: I ain't upset about that. I've lived sixty years a
Speaker 1: great life. So I say I want to wind down.
Speaker 1: And they said to me, listen, this is the deal.
Speaker 1: We need you and I love T n T. They've
Speaker 1: been great to me. They said, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: bid on the NBA again. You know, we're paying like
Speaker 1: two point five billion a year. The number's gonna be
Speaker 1: close to probably four billion in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: And they said, we need you to stay on if
Speaker 1: we're gonna bid that type of money. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I really want to wind down. They're like, well, we
Speaker 1: need you to stay at least X amount of years,
Speaker 1: three or four or five somewhere in there, but we
Speaker 1: just want to make sure if you still want to
Speaker 1: keep working, we want to sign for ten years. I said,
Speaker 1: there's no chance I'm gonna be here in ten years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm seven years old. And I said, I
Speaker 1: will stay through the transition if y'all bid on the
Speaker 1: n b A And I said, because you guys been
Speaker 1: great to me, So I signed for ten years. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't take a zero chance I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: it for ten years. But those negotiations are going to
Speaker 1: start in the next year. And like I said, it's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be the thing that scares them and they're
Speaker 1: worried about you know, you saw it with the NFL.
Speaker 1: Amazon in yeah and bought the NFL. I think the NBA,
Speaker 1: it's gonna listen to Apple, it's gonna want sports now apparently,
Speaker 1: and Amazon, so that number could be way more than
Speaker 1: three or four billion dollars because Apple and Amazon got
Speaker 1: all that cash. So the next three years are gonna
Speaker 1: be very interested in the sports world. But I told him, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys been great to me. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hang you out to dry. If y'all gonna bid on
Speaker 1: the NBA, I'll stay through the transition. I was happy
Speaker 1: to sign the deal because they were great. But man,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been so lucky. I want to thank
Speaker 1: Dick ever saw my mentor who mentioned television to me,
Speaker 1: because you guys in the same boat as me and man,
Speaker 1: when this ship over, you're like, I ain't got no job.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do, what I'm gonna do. And I
Speaker 1: tell brothers this, especially brothers. Yo, Man, you gotta find
Speaker 1: something to do because you're still young. You ain't gonna
Speaker 1: have no income coming in, and you gotta find a
Speaker 1: way to keep making money. That's why I told you beginning,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you all for doing your thing, because man,
Speaker 1: I call it an owl, the our syndrome, because I
Speaker 1: get guys who called me they're like, yo, man, I
Speaker 1: need some shoes. I'm like, dude, you get some shoes,
Speaker 1: You're like, yeoh, man, I'm an owl now, you know
Speaker 1: what you know? People are like Stephen who like it's
Speaker 1: like when you call and try to get tickets and shoes,
Speaker 1: the thing like you come out. I call it and
Speaker 1: I said, oh, you're out now. I said, yep, I
Speaker 1: don't get no free stuff anymore. But so you gotta
Speaker 1: find a way to stay in the game. And I
Speaker 1: was so lucky because the Dick episode to go right
Speaker 1: into television. But man, you got that's why you gotta start.
Speaker 1: Number one. You gotta save your money. You got a
Speaker 1: plan for the future, and you've got to figure out
Speaker 1: what you want to do because you gotta find something
Speaker 1: to do, because twenty four seven with nothing to do
Speaker 1: is dangerous. How long have you been in Taranty two.
Speaker 1: I'm going on twenty three now, so I'm teen years
Speaker 1: gonna fly by, gonna fly They're gonna fly by. You
Speaker 1: know what my thing is, man, I want to travel
Speaker 1: the world and enjoy my life. Before you know, the
Speaker 1: stuff that we do to our bodies a normal And
Speaker 1: I don't call names, but when I go see some
Speaker 1: of the old all time grades and see the shape
Speaker 1: there in like playing sports and ain't it's the greatest
Speaker 1: job in the world and staying it gets your ass?
Speaker 1: It gets you. Did you see I mean, obviously the
Speaker 1: transition you may look seamless and fun, but did you
Speaker 1: see yourself? I mean, like you said, you're going on
Speaker 1: your twenty three of talking about basketball. No, I had
Speaker 1: no idea. So when Dick ever saw called me one day,
Speaker 1: he says, Charles, you want to get together? But then
Speaker 1: now i'sa of course. So you guys, y'all probably real.
Speaker 1: The NBA started on NBC. I tell people all the time.
Speaker 1: So funny being all these motherckers think there's always been
Speaker 1: everybody had a cell phone. They think that's like, I'm
Speaker 1: so old. That was no ESPN when we started. We
Speaker 1: flew commercial. My first three or four years in the NBA,
Speaker 1: we flew commercial. Wow. I mean, that's how crazy, that's
Speaker 1: how that's how long ago it was. And Dick Episow
Speaker 1: said to me, what do you think about going on television?
Speaker 1: I says, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I said,
Speaker 1: obviously I got to play a couple more years, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what He says, I think you'd be
Speaker 1: good on TV. He said, I think I think you'd
Speaker 1: be great on TV. He said, You're always gonna be
Speaker 1: in trouble. Like, what does that mean? He says, clearly,
Speaker 1: somewhere along the way you made up your mind you
Speaker 1: are always just gonna be honest and deal with the ramifications.
Speaker 1: I said, well, that was actually interesting because when I
Speaker 1: first started becoming a star, I think I was my
Speaker 1: third at the end of my second year of my
Speaker 1: third year in the NBA, because my first few years
Speaker 1: in the NBA, nobody to talk to me. It was
Speaker 1: Doc Moses, Marie Cheeks, Andrew Tony, Bobby Jones. I was
Speaker 1: the rookie. Mother didn't even mention me, didn't come to me.
Speaker 1: So those guys started getting older, and then at the
Speaker 1: end of my second year, I started having success. My
Speaker 1: third year, I think I made the All Star team
Speaker 1: and it was so they started coming to me, and
Speaker 1: I really wanted everybody to like me. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I was trying to answer every
Speaker 1: question politically correct and blah blah blah, and I pulled
Speaker 1: Dr Jail aside one day, I said, Doc, I'm having
Speaker 1: a hard time. He says, yeah, this's it's a very
Speaker 1: Him and Moses probably were the two great influences for me,
Speaker 1: talking about like Moses got me in shape. But doct
Speaker 1: tastes now this is a very slippery slope. Trying to
Speaker 1: answer every question and not me him or him or
Speaker 1: her make it making them mad, And he says, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's impossible to do that. He says, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out how you want to handle this.
Speaker 1: He said. You can try to make everybody happy, or
Speaker 1: you can be honest, but with honestly common repercussions. And
Speaker 1: I tried to do it the politically red ray in
Speaker 1: the beginning, and I'm like, I'm still getting shipped from
Speaker 1: other people, and I'm like, I'm gonna be honest. He says,
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna be coming for you. You better be
Speaker 1: greeted basketball. But you can get away with saying what
Speaker 1: you want to if you greet at basketball. If you
Speaker 1: suck at basketball and you're honest, they're gonna come get
Speaker 1: your ass. I'm like, okay, I better be great at basketball.
Speaker 1: So when I was sitting with Mr. Eppasol at that meeting,
Speaker 1: he says, you what happened to make you be honest.
Speaker 1: He said, I try pleasing everybody, and I realized I couldn't.
Speaker 1: You guys know it's impossible. Nobody mad about something and
Speaker 1: if you yeah, So I said, I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: honest and straightforward. And people get mad. They getting mad,
Speaker 1: And I made that decision to just be a straight shooter.
Speaker 1: And he says, you're gonna be great, but you're always
Speaker 1: gonna be in trouble because people don't get mad at
Speaker 1: what you say. And that was kind of the turning
Speaker 1: point in this whole thing. And like I said, people
Speaker 1: get mad, and I've lost friends, and you know, people
Speaker 1: get mad. But I can say this, I've never said
Speaker 1: anything on television personally about a person. I look at
Speaker 1: the situation. I try to be honest. I try to
Speaker 1: be fair. I've criticized the good ones, I've criticized the
Speaker 1: great ones, I criticized the bad one. But I actually
Speaker 1: feel say I can honestly say I think I've been
Speaker 1: very fair, especially as a player, even when I have
Speaker 1: to criticize the player, I try to be fair about it.
Speaker 1: That's really a kind of a common theme in the
Speaker 1: media right now. Obviously, former players transitioning. But then they're
Speaker 1: almost being a disconnect between former players and current players
Speaker 1: based off what former players are saying. What do you
Speaker 1: is that sensitive players? Is that sometimes you guys feel
Speaker 1: like because you guys are great, that you can talking
Speaker 1: shout calls a G fourteen classified conversation like how do
Speaker 1: you feel that is right now? Well, Number one, that's
Speaker 1: a great question. Today's players hate anybody to say and
Speaker 1: think bad about him. But the first advice that I
Speaker 1: left out of that story tell you about Dr Jake.
Speaker 1: The first thing he said to me because I was
Speaker 1: pissed up some guys that says some things about me.
Speaker 1: He says, young fellow, take a step back. He said.
Speaker 1: The first question is is it true? I said what
Speaker 1: he says, when somebody says something about you, even if
Speaker 1: it's negative, it can be true. Right. He might not
Speaker 1: want to hear it, yeah, he said, Yeah, he says,
Speaker 1: don't get mad every time somebody says something like. First
Speaker 1: of all, they're doing their job. That's the media's job.
Speaker 1: There's some guys I hate Number one who everybody know.
Speaker 1: I hate skill basis because I think he deliberately When
Speaker 1: you're on television, it's a very powerful thing. People in Idaho, Nebraska,
Speaker 1: South Dakota, Maine, Flawda, Jorgan, Tennessee. They're like, well this
Speaker 1: guy said on television, I believe it. It must be true.
Speaker 1: So I'm very careful nude. I never talked about people's
Speaker 1: personal life, you know, And we've had some conversation about
Speaker 1: people's sexuality. I said, I don't comment on people's sexuality.
Speaker 1: I got plenty of gay friends, I got plenty of
Speaker 1: transgender friends. That's off limits. And I'm never gonna answer
Speaker 1: no questions like that. But I said, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: get in their personal business. That's not our business, but
Speaker 1: my criticism. Or if I said some basketball, but there's
Speaker 1: guys I watched on television, I said, oh he don't
Speaker 1: like that guy. Yeah, that ain't right. Your personal opinion
Speaker 1: should never matter, matter, should never matter. And he said
Speaker 1: to me, when somebody says something about you as a player,
Speaker 1: the first question is is it true? And these guys today,
Speaker 1: if they hear something negative about them, they just gonna react.
Speaker 1: And I don't get mad. But I never go back
Speaker 1: into him either, because the way these lightweight media people like,
Speaker 1: they love when y'all go back to the looking forth
Speaker 1: You see what Charles said about this guy. You see
Speaker 1: what he's said back to Charles, You see what y'all
Speaker 1: said that I see him. Man, don't get those lightweights,
Speaker 1: no ammunition. That's the only talent. That's the only talent
Speaker 1: they have. And then Jack, you know what's fun about it?
Speaker 1: They never touched the ball and never touched the ball
Speaker 1: of their life. You and k D kind of have
Speaker 1: an interesting back and forth when you gotta see each
Speaker 1: other in portant is it? How is that situation of
Speaker 1: relationship or is there one? He's always been cordier to me.
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna be cordier to him. He's taking some
Speaker 1: shots to me and I've taken he Katy doesn't get
Speaker 1: uh okay. So what I said was, I said, Katie
Speaker 1: is a great, great player. He is a great great player.
Speaker 1: He's sensitive sensitive. But what I said, and I stick
Speaker 1: by that, said, Katie is a great great player, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to win a championship with dr Warriors
Speaker 1: to get the old heads respect. And I said, and
Speaker 1: I used the analogy, I said Kobe Bryant on the
Speaker 1: greatest ever said I had to win a championship without
Speaker 1: that Lebron says I had to win a championship without
Speaker 1: Dwayne and Chris. The rules are already there. Just because
Speaker 1: you don't want to follow the rules, you can get
Speaker 1: mad and call me names. I'm just gonna tell you
Speaker 1: the way me and the old heads and we talked
Speaker 1: about it, was like, hey, Katie's a great he's an
Speaker 1: really great player, but he gonna have to win a
Speaker 1: championship before we put him up here with these guys.
Speaker 1: And I said, I said, Kobe Bryant has said that.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, I had to win a championship without Shock.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just just simple, kay, Katie want a
Speaker 1: championship on his own. People just gonna look at him different.
Speaker 1: And I said, and he can get mad. He would
Speaker 1: call me names and things. I said, Hey, Katie, and
Speaker 1: Lebron as much as I love Lebron, I said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna give your flowers until you win one
Speaker 1: without Dwayne. I said, you joined them and y'all one
Speaker 1: And he said, he says I had to win one
Speaker 1: without Dwayne. That's like, yeah, those are the rules. And
Speaker 1: you can get mad when guys said, like, put those
Speaker 1: are the rules, Like it's like my rules, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, but I'm in a different
Speaker 1: wing than the guys who won the championship. I mean,
Speaker 1: no idea, but I'm saying, though, Jack, Hey, I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand the rules. Like Charles the Great, car Malone's
Speaker 1: great practic, you is great. They're not at the table
Speaker 1: with Magic Bird lebron Kobe. It's levels to this ship.
Speaker 1: And I ain't mad at that. I understand that. Now,
Speaker 1: if I could have won the championship, I can go
Speaker 1: across the room. But the rules are the rules. We
Speaker 1: don't we we have to play by the routes. And
Speaker 1: this ain't got none with motherfucker's on TV who get
Speaker 1: paid to talk shit were talked about players. We're talking
Speaker 1: about players. We understand, like, yeah, hey, I'm not at
Speaker 1: the table with Bird. Imagine those guys. Hey, yeah, am
Speaker 1: I a great player? Yes? I am. I understand that.
Speaker 1: But there are levels and there's tables to this thing.
Speaker 1: Steph went up last year like he was already in
Speaker 1: the room. He got to come over, like Isaiah Thomas.
Speaker 1: He like, yeah, okay, Steph, come on over, now, come
Speaker 1: on over now, I said, like, okay, because Ai Isaiah
Speaker 1: John Stocking, those are probably three best little guys ever
Speaker 1: to play the game. And Steph was an all time guy.
Speaker 1: But now he gets to move over like in the
Speaker 1: Isaiah category. Yes, yeah, so man, But and I tell him,
Speaker 1: I said, but I don't mind these guys like I was.
Speaker 1: He the only thing I hate about, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, the Motherfucker's special Katie, Kobe guys like that.
Speaker 1: I did all time greats. But the only time I've
Speaker 1: ever gotten mad at those two guys because me and
Speaker 1: Kobe had to stay one night. Remember that game where
Speaker 1: he wouldn't shoot. We had that game that night. I
Speaker 1: remember seeing that and Cope starts texting me calling me motherfucker,
Speaker 1: asshole and Jack. It was one of the funniest things ever.
Speaker 1: So we got that game and I said, O, man,
Speaker 1: as much as I love Kobe Brown, what he did
Speaker 1: tonight was total bs. He wouldn't shoot. He took one
Speaker 1: shot in the second half, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't like to earnestly, what do you mean he was
Speaker 1: trying to prove a point. They were getting their ass kicked.
Speaker 1: He don't have a lot of help, I said, But
Speaker 1: that's what separates him from Michael Jordan Michael Jr. Like
Speaker 1: when he played aginst the South, He's like, now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get sixty. Kobe was trying to prove a point.
Speaker 1: I didn't have no head. So he starts texting me
Speaker 1: after the game. So you know, we get off around
Speaker 1: one two in the morning. He texts me like times,
Speaker 1: called me every name in the book, and I'm texting back, Yo, man,
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and called me no, fuck you,
Speaker 1: fuck you, mother fucking fuck you. But that bullshit what
Speaker 1: you said. We go big. I mean he called me
Speaker 1: like and this goes on for like two or three hours,
Speaker 1: and I said, yo, man, I'm tired. I'm going to bed, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Go to bed. And he says he texts me probably
Speaker 1: twenty times, and it was just motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker. And
Speaker 1: he said, we see each other like months, ladies. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's a man. You know what, It's all good.
Speaker 1: You allowed the event. We hug at your Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we hugged each other and we were always cool.
Speaker 1: But it's never personal. I just didn't like what he
Speaker 1: did that night. But the point I was gonna make
Speaker 1: it is these guys, like when I said I had
Speaker 1: been saying for three years that dude the best basketball
Speaker 1: player in the world. He never called me and say
Speaker 1: thank you these guys, I said nine great things about
Speaker 1: that one, not one like Charles thank you for the
Speaker 1: kind words. Now I never get that text. You know,
Speaker 1: Kenny played like ship tonight, Hey fuck you, Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1: I'm getting that on Twitter and things like that. So
Speaker 1: that's the only time I get mad. I get mad.
Speaker 1: Then I laughed. They never called me and says, hey man,
Speaker 1: thank you kind words. But if I say one bad day,
Speaker 1: I said nine great things one they go and that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's only time I get mad. Why don't you
Speaker 1: have a text me saying great when I'm saying how
Speaker 1: great you? Thank you? Question? You mentioned Skip Bayless obviously
Speaker 1: recently with the unfortunate situation to have went to bar
Speaker 1: handling on the bills, he just had an untimely tweak,
Speaker 1: and I think he thought that he could say some
Speaker 1: bullshit and then say something kind of you know, meaningful
Speaker 1: at the end and we wouldn't see through the bullshit
Speaker 1: that was brought to attention. But then also the way
Speaker 1: he's just kind of been disrespecting this co host and
Speaker 1: you have to see Shannon kind of taking to your
Speaker 1: breath every once in a while. What is this your
Speaker 1: take on what he is doing? And just how disrespectful
Speaker 1: I feel like he is two players and now his
Speaker 1: co host is so I really I don't like the
Speaker 1: guy because television a very powerful weapon, right, very powerful.
Speaker 1: One of my mentors is Mike Wilboton. He's won about
Speaker 1: the admire really respect and because he did my last
Speaker 1: three books and he's become like a big brother, father figure.
Speaker 1: But he said something very interesting to me, and I
Speaker 1: already knew it. He says, Man, being on television is crazy.
Speaker 1: That's what do you mean? He says, I've been at
Speaker 1: the Washington Post for twenty five years, did it all?
Speaker 1: Nobody in the world knew who I was. I go
Speaker 1: on TV for a year. I can't go nowhere without
Speaker 1: people running up on me. And I said, man, TV
Speaker 1: is amazing, Like it's such like everybody knows who's on television,
Speaker 1: especial if you're successful, you're on television a lot. It
Speaker 1: is really a big like everybody watched television and skill
Speaker 1: to me when you these guys are real people, and
Speaker 1: I don't mind you criticizing guys, it could never be personal.
Speaker 1: And and and one thing I hate about the media.
Speaker 1: You can tell guys they like and dislike. You can't
Speaker 1: talk about people on television like that. You have to
Speaker 1: be fair and honest with people. And I think he is.
Speaker 1: You can tell who he likes, you can tell who
Speaker 1: he dicks likes, because he makes it personal. Like you
Speaker 1: can't say bad stuff about Lebron James, but everything out
Speaker 1: your mouth can't be bad. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible.
Speaker 1: And I've said this before. I think Lebron James is
Speaker 1: the greatest sports story of all time. You know, you
Speaker 1: look at Kobe, Kevin Garnette, Tracy McGrady. I think those
Speaker 1: probably three of the greatest straight to high school players. Dwhite.
Speaker 1: He's great, but they all struggled in the beginning. He
Speaker 1: been in his primes as they want, they want. That's
Speaker 1: why I said for him to come into the NBA
Speaker 1: at eighteen years old. He was really good. We had
Speaker 1: his game I think on T and T Sacrament Yes,
Speaker 1: he played really good. But in this generation with social media,
Speaker 1: he's never gotten in trouble. He lived up to all
Speaker 1: the hype. Yes, I think it's probably the greatest story
Speaker 1: in sports history. Like, I'm like to be the number
Speaker 1: one be is good from a team and never really
Speaker 1: get in trouble in this society where people are out
Speaker 1: to get youwhere everywhere. I think it's probably the greatest
Speaker 1: sports story of all time. I mean, it's just amazing
Speaker 1: what he's accomplashed, what he did and never gotten in trouble.
Speaker 1: But two skips disrespect toward him. I do not like
Speaker 1: it the way he's treating Shannon. Clearly, Hey, Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is to go. We get that. You don't have to
Speaker 1: like your man right like that. And but first of all,
Speaker 1: just doing the Hall of Fame. He won three Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Nice chopped lever. He ain't chopped lever, but he is.
Speaker 1: He's been rewarded so much that Yeah, the way he
Speaker 1: has made his money and made his living, I have
Speaker 1: a problem with it, because, man, if you make it
Speaker 1: to the pros, you're a hell of a player. Period.
Speaker 1: I tell people, hey, is everybody Lebron or k d No,
Speaker 1: But that number twelve guy on an NBA team, his
Speaker 1: journey is amazing. If you get to be one of
Speaker 1: the best four hundred basketball players in the world and
Speaker 1: less than less than five thousand to ever even playing
Speaker 1: a game. And man, I love these guys. That's a
Speaker 1: little stupid ball. It's given me every single thing in
Speaker 1: my life. I ain't never had no real job and
Speaker 1: don't want one, don't one. I I marre these dudes
Speaker 1: who go men and women who work nine and five
Speaker 1: and they're doing it for twenty seven thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, I admire you, but I don't
Speaker 1: want that ship. I want to drin but that little
Speaker 1: tupid as ball up and down the court. I want
Speaker 1: to stay in the four seasons in the risk card.
Speaker 1: I want to travel the country. I tell these guys, man,
Speaker 1: we're the luckiest dudes in the world. Whenever I get
Speaker 1: ready to kill over, I just want to be able
Speaker 1: to say thank you, big fella. I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: I like man because of that little stupid ass ball
Speaker 1: I don't see in the world. I remember one time
Speaker 1: I was sitting at the White House with President Obama.
Speaker 1: I like, because I'm my hometown, I only got a
Speaker 1: couple of thousand people. I'm from Leeds, Alabama. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Leeds. A couple of thousand people and growing up
Speaker 1: in the projects. I'm thinking, like, I ain't even thinking
Speaker 1: about sports. I only started playing basketball because I want
Speaker 1: to go to college for free. I never thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna make it to the NBA. And I was
Speaker 1: like sometimes when I go home and visit, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I grew up in that project right over there, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, because of that little stupid ass ball, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Sixty years later and I was just
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at him, I'm like, Wow, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: A little kid from Lee's Alabama's in the White House
Speaker 1: and I got one of my most prized possessions is
Speaker 1: I was laughing. He said, Chuck, you've been in the
Speaker 1: Oval Office. I said, oh yeah, we go there all
Speaker 1: the time as the Mr. President. Hell No, I never
Speaker 1: been office. And there's a picture he says, let me
Speaker 1: show you the Oval Office. And you know he always
Speaker 1: would a photographer, and I didn't even notice the photographer.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, a month later, it's a
Speaker 1: picture got on my wall. Cherish it. It's me and
Speaker 1: him standing in the Oval Office. And I can say
Speaker 1: I didn't even notice that the photographer eating up his ass.
Speaker 1: He's like standing back taking pictures with president and President
Speaker 1: Obama sent me this picture of me and him stead
Speaker 1: and I remember getting a text from all my friends
Speaker 1: telling me like, yo, man, we're so proud of you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell are you talking about. You're like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a picture on on the internet that
Speaker 1: you in President Obama in the Oval Office. I said,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, and it came like a month
Speaker 1: or two later, and when I got the picture, I'm like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: this is so crazy and awesome. My little hometown seeing
Speaker 1: me in the old Office with the President of United States,
Speaker 1: a black president of the United States, but all the
Speaker 1: recent bullshit that went on in Alabama, they're like a
Speaker 1: black president, you and the Oval Office from a town,
Speaker 1: a couple of thousands of people. It was amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Since you're speaking on leads, how difficult was it growing
Speaker 1: up there, you know, doing the gym crow era and
Speaker 1: all that. Why you was trying to figure yourself out
Speaker 1: as a kid. You know, it's interesting. We didn't even
Speaker 1: feel any of that, to be honest with you, because
Speaker 1: it's so small. But now that I look back, jack
Speaker 1: Ship is crazy and you don't even know it because
Speaker 1: your kids, we don't know because that's like we don't
Speaker 1: even know we were poor, Like we don't even know
Speaker 1: we were poor. Because but the ship is crazy now
Speaker 1: that I think about it. Man, we had a black
Speaker 1: and a white homecoming queen. Really yeah? Wow? Oh seriously
Speaker 1: and the ship that's crazy. You're like, I guess they
Speaker 1: didn't want no drama. They didn't want no drama you think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I can't prove it. But they're like, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a black and a white homecoming queen.
Speaker 1: What's crazy? Like, dude, we're taping this here in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It was a controversy like in the last couple of years. Well,
Speaker 1: the kids wanted to, uh have a one problem, and
Speaker 1: some of the parents like, hell no, I mean, so
Speaker 1: racism exists, always has, always will and you just have
Speaker 1: to deal with the BSS I call it. But like
Speaker 1: these kids like, yeah, we don't want this ship anymore.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have one problem, and some of the parents
Speaker 1: are like no, you know, and it was right here
Speaker 1: in Georgia. They stuck in their ways, but so, uh,
Speaker 1: but I a couple of things about leaves it was
Speaker 1: a great place to grow up, even though all hell
Speaker 1: was breaking loose in Birmingham. We're about twenty thirty minutes
Speaker 1: from Birmingham. You know, we had the church bombing in Birmingham.
Speaker 1: Selma's right up the street. Montgomery's right up to a
Speaker 1: couple of hours away. My grandmother told me about it later,
Speaker 1: but we didn't know what I mean because we got
Speaker 1: that Rabbity is on the on the TV, so you're
Speaker 1: not really getting world view. But my grandmother the greatest
Speaker 1: person ever in my life. She made me learn who
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela was. She made me learn who Dr King was.
Speaker 1: She made me learn, make me learn who Mecca Evers is.
Speaker 1: She was such a great woman. But the one thing
Speaker 1: she always talked to me about was the race. She says, now, listen,
Speaker 1: judge people, she said, because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: great white people out here. She says, you don't grow
Speaker 1: up believing it's us against them. She says, these white
Speaker 1: people who in my life, they're amazing. And that was
Speaker 1: really important, like because they are a lot of black
Speaker 1: people who are full of ship, who like they're not
Speaker 1: they're like they're black, but they they're not helping our
Speaker 1: race and there are a lot of white people out
Speaker 1: there who are helping our race. Asked what was really
Speaker 1: cool for me? There's a great civil rights he wrote,
Speaker 1: the CT Vivian who passed away in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years. When I was doing my documentary on race
Speaker 1: I did a few years ago, he says, not yours.
Speaker 1: I want you to remember something. I know you're trying
Speaker 1: to bring the races together. I want you to know
Speaker 1: there's always been a lot of race people being racial together.
Speaker 1: That's what do you mean, Mr bib And he says,
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about civil rights, we talked
Speaker 1: about most majority of the black people, you know, Dr
Speaker 1: King and those guys like that. Because I want you
Speaker 1: to let you know that there was a lot of
Speaker 1: great white people marching with us got killed and thinks,
Speaker 1: I said, Mr Bivy, And I promise you I'll make
Speaker 1: sure people know that. And that was really cool because
Speaker 1: and our and our you know, you know, Jack, we
Speaker 1: get and I'm part of the business too. We're in
Speaker 1: the media business. Man. We get beat over the head
Speaker 1: so much on negativity because what's really crazy negativity sales?
Speaker 1: You know. I was me and Ernie were talking about
Speaker 1: men earner have a podcast and I was we were
Speaker 1: talking about Damar Hamlin and I said, man, I was
Speaker 1: so touched by I think they've up about seven eight
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's close to And I said, man, there's
Speaker 1: so many great people out here, but in our business,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about the great people. We talk like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: get on TV and talk bad about your coach and
Speaker 1: other players. We'll put you on TV. Like, but that's
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, that's the world we live in in the media.
Speaker 1: Like Prince Harry, I don't know this dude, like, yeah, trash,
Speaker 1: your brother, trash, the King, trash, trash everybody, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put you on every TV show. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's trading the truth or not. I
Speaker 1: don't judge that that's his truth. But I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna talk bad about the future King of England,
Speaker 1: talk bad about your dad, who's to King of England,
Speaker 1: talk bad about your stepmother, like we're gonna put you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put you on TV, on every network. You
Speaker 1: can write a book. That's the world we live in now.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know this, dude, but we
Speaker 1: don't talk enough about positive and we just yo, man,
Speaker 1: white people, black people, all types of people gave this
Speaker 1: dude close to ten million dollars, as you say, and
Speaker 1: they don't know him, but that touched everybody. And I
Speaker 1: wish that we would. I wish positivity to sell more
Speaker 1: than negative. I said this all the time, like two things.
Speaker 1: People tell you dank, you're giving, you giving back somebody,
Speaker 1: But why are you posting it? But then again, if
Speaker 1: I don't post it, you say, I ain't doing nothing
Speaker 1: for the community. Oh my god, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's like crazy if you're thirsty for it, but
Speaker 1: if you don't post it, you ain't doing them. But
Speaker 1: then again, it's like a lot of people don't understand. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like we just had this conversation number one from
Speaker 1: the first of all your hypers. Correct, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why. So my goal I've been giving a million
Speaker 1: dollars a year away to charity. So I started out
Speaker 1: at my high school because I want the kids to
Speaker 1: go to college, and then went to my college Auburn.
Speaker 1: They're war egor brother. Then I did Wounded Warriors, But
Speaker 1: the last eight years I did hbc U S and
Speaker 1: I just did another one about two weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: Kenney says, Ernie, can you repeat that? He says, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 1: Chuck just gave another couple of million dollars to Jackson State.
Speaker 1: Um Jackson stayed in Bethune. Cookman ready shout out to
Speaker 1: Reggy Theasters, the head coach there, and Kenne says, can
Speaker 1: you repeat that again? Arni sas, yeah, Chuck, this gave
Speaker 1: his eighth million dollars to hbc U. He says, Chuck,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell people? I said, I want to
Speaker 1: do it because it's I want to give back, he says.
Speaker 1: He said, And that's the problem. Chuck does all this.
Speaker 1: He don't tell anybody. I said, if I tell everybody,
Speaker 1: gonna be like Chuck always bragging about how is money
Speaker 1: to get a charity? So I don't tell anybody. Y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like he don't do ship for the Black Unit.
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, man, I'm not as I tell my daughter.
Speaker 1: I said, let me tell you something. Don't you ever
Speaker 1: get these idiots power over you? If somebody said, like,
Speaker 1: I'm going back way back when she's a young kid,
Speaker 1: shout out to my little grandson just became a grandpa.
Speaker 1: You know erning Clark Kellogg to the greatest people I've
Speaker 1: ever known, said, man, being a grandpa gonna be the
Speaker 1: greatest thing you ever happened to you. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm like it's gonna be good. You know. I
Speaker 1: called both of those guys as y'all right, man, this
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing you ever have to be in
Speaker 1: my entire life. Shout out a little Henry. It's the
Speaker 1: most amazing thing that's ever happened to Menumber want to
Speaker 1: see my daughter as a grown person. Um. But the
Speaker 1: point I was making was I told her if some
Speaker 1: by it criticizes you, it's bad. Thanks to you. You
Speaker 1: just keep walking, keep doing great in school, would be
Speaker 1: a great person. Um. You already broke my heart and
Speaker 1: we didn't play basketball. I like, dude, it was so crazy. Jack.
Speaker 1: My daughter went to went to Villanova and Columbia. She's
Speaker 1: a great person. She's a really nice person and a
Speaker 1: great person. She's gonna be it. She's a great wife
Speaker 1: and a great mom. Really proud of her. But I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, man. So my daughter and she
Speaker 1: was like two years old, she was like six ft tall,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna have the best female basketball
Speaker 1: player in the world. I can't wait to teach her ship.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna send her to the best camps.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with her during the summer. I'm all pumped.
Speaker 1: Six ft tall, full five six seven eight nine ten.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, girl, be a teenager so I
Speaker 1: can teach you all my ship. If I don't, she
Speaker 1: become a teenager and say, hey, you're gonna are you ready?
Speaker 1: We started playing. I don't think she liked basketball, like Christiana,
Speaker 1: when those girls get close to you, pop them, dad,
Speaker 1: I might hurt him. Yeah, that's the objective. I'm bigger
Speaker 1: than they are. I'm like, yeah, that's an advantage. M h.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, okay, hey, can we get together after
Speaker 1: school today? Yeah? Of court, that where we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: As you like basketball? Oh Dad, I don't like sports? Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I don't like sports? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: just be a good person. I love you. You're the greatest.
Speaker 1: I love you. Going a room like sports like Le's
Speaker 1: kid ball. And after I cried, I got over it,
Speaker 1: and I said, and I told my friends, as yo, man,
Speaker 1: my daughter just crushed me today. She told me she
Speaker 1: don't like sports, and I said, but you know what,
Speaker 1: she's a great person. She's a straight a student and
Speaker 1: proud of the woman she is. But man, I was like,
Speaker 1: I spent my I'm you know, I'm right down notes
Speaker 1: teaching her to jump, hook the up and under. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna work with her on her footwork. She's like, oh, dad,
Speaker 1: I don't like sports. It was brutal. I got five girls,
Speaker 1: and so I know the feeling. Um, you stay at
Speaker 1: home for school Auburn, yes, Um, any other schools was
Speaker 1: coming at you. So no, no, the thing is crazy
Speaker 1: and you guys don't even know this. Man I grew.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even good at basketball. Girl spurt right. I
Speaker 1: went from five ten and six five in one year,
Speaker 1: So nobody e knewho the hell I was? Because they're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not on anybody's radar, and no schools are recruited me.
Speaker 1: I'm a five ten backup point guard. Yeah, I'm back
Speaker 1: back up to I'm not even no good. I didn't
Speaker 1: know good, and so then it's too late to get recruited.
Speaker 1: So then only Alabama are to you, a b there's
Speaker 1: recruited me because everybody's already signed. So I'm leaning towards
Speaker 1: you because I'm really close to my mother and grandmother.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, ladies, Thank y'all, love y'all, miss y'all.
Speaker 1: So only three schools big schools are recruiting me, So
Speaker 1: you a b in Birmingham, so it's right there. But
Speaker 1: they make it to the sweet six team and they
Speaker 1: got everybody coming back. Then Tuscaloosa is close. They actually
Speaker 1: make it to the sweet six team and got everybody
Speaker 1: coming back, and they signed the best big man in
Speaker 1: the country who's from Alabama, a guy named Bibi Lee
Speaker 1: Hurt and and it's Wiley. He was the best point
Speaker 1: guard in the country. So then I go down to
Speaker 1: Auburn Ofbans lost like twelve games in a row, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking and I said, these motherfucker's are awful. So
Speaker 1: me and the coach is sitting there and as a coach,
Speaker 1: you gotta pin on you. You know, people bug me
Speaker 1: saying hello, signed a couple of autographs, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I just coach, you gotta pin on you. He says, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're big time. You're gonna start signing autographs, and ship,
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm signed him here. He's what he says.
Speaker 1: I'm watching our team play. These motherfucker's ain't no good.
Speaker 1: I can play here. And it turned into the best
Speaker 1: decision ever going to Auburn. But Jack, I tell these dudes,
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to players all the time. I said, listen,
Speaker 1: don't talk to me about the education part, because if
Speaker 1: you want to education, you're gonna get it. I said.
Speaker 1: Your number one criterias when you're deciding where you're gonna
Speaker 1: go to college, it's playing time, I said, because if
Speaker 1: you go, especially if you go, weigh some wear away.
Speaker 1: If you don't get to play, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: miserable experience. Yeah, it's gonna be awful. Your school word's
Speaker 1: gonna suck, but you're gonna be homesick because because what
Speaker 1: people don't understand is, man, everybody can play in college.
Speaker 1: Everybody can play in college because when you're in high
Speaker 1: school and you're a great player or a really good player,
Speaker 1: you're only gonna play against five to ten players who
Speaker 1: are on your level. But when you go to college,
Speaker 1: everybody's on your level. Everybody's on your level. When you
Speaker 1: go play Vanderbilt, like damn, they got good players. You
Speaker 1: go Mississippi State, I go Jeff Malone, Killpatrick Wells, Dominique
Speaker 1: had Georgia, James Banks, Burn, Flementary Fair, and those guys
Speaker 1: Alabama had Bobbly Hurt Eddie Phillips. So the number one
Speaker 1: criteria like, yo, man, you need to get to play.
Speaker 1: So Auburn gave me a great opportunity to play, and
Speaker 1: I got to play right away a freshman, and uh
Speaker 1: it was three great years and I loved it. Any
Speaker 1: good stories from Bow with Bow Jackson. Well, so we
Speaker 1: had a great high school football team. You know, we
Speaker 1: all you know, all the jocks hang out. So we
Speaker 1: played bowls high school and Bows one of the three
Speaker 1: athletes who the same size in high schools. He was
Speaker 1: in compone. Yeah, he was a monster in high school. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like everybody else gets bigger when they go to college,
Speaker 1: he was there already bowl We're gonna play bowls high school.
Speaker 1: And it was one of the most amazing things. Like
Speaker 1: every time he touched the ball that he's just scored
Speaker 1: or a broke, like a twenty yard run, and it's
Speaker 1: like he's already bigger and faster than everybody else. Like
Speaker 1: he's bigger than our defensive lineman. M he I mean,
Speaker 1: but it was so beautiful to watch. And then he
Speaker 1: comes to Auburn the next year, and I tell people
Speaker 1: one of the one of the coolest things for me
Speaker 1: was getting an opportunity to watch that dude play football
Speaker 1: every Saturday in person. And we're great friends to this day.
Speaker 1: But I just liked being with that dude. But man,
Speaker 1: it was such a It was a pleasure and honor
Speaker 1: to watch that dude play football every Saturday. That's talented. Man,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Four you go in the draft, you go
Speaker 1: number five, same draft with m J and the King.
Speaker 1: What was the state of the league and eighty four
Speaker 1: when you came in. You know, I spent the last
Speaker 1: couple of days with Magic Johnson shooting the Capital one commercials,
Speaker 1: and every time I see him, I tell them thank
Speaker 1: you because Matti Johnson and Larry Bird are the two
Speaker 1: most important figures in NBA history. Well, people don't understand.
Speaker 1: To answer you a question, people look at this thing. Now,
Speaker 1: what guys are making thirty four to fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: When I came in, it was David Stern's first year.
Speaker 1: The average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Magic and Bird,
Speaker 1: those guys changed the entire trajectory of the NBA and
Speaker 1: made it what it is today because Magic and I
Speaker 1: told him the story I said, And I'm playing with
Speaker 1: Dr J. Moses. I remember the first time Magic when
Speaker 1: he made a million dollars, we were going around high
Speaker 1: five of each other. We couldn't believe an NBA player
Speaker 1: made a million dollars. That was Magic. He was the
Speaker 1: first player to make a million dollars. But here was that.
Speaker 1: It was eighties, five eighty six somewhere in there, but
Speaker 1: he sounds like it was five years, twenty five millions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we like Moses like, I'm not talking about regular
Speaker 1: guys on the team. I'm talking like they had never
Speaker 1: made a million dollars before. And but it's all so
Speaker 1: the state of the league was like too black, a
Speaker 1: bunch of druggis, a bunch of thugs, gave the finals,
Speaker 1: will tape the lad that was only one game a week.
Speaker 1: And it's all because of Magic and Bird, who changed
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic of the league. So every time I
Speaker 1: see those guys, they I want them to know, Man,
Speaker 1: thank you. It took a kid from Leeds, Alabama to
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was there to build my mother
Speaker 1: and grandmother house. I was able sitting all my nieces
Speaker 1: nieces to college, my daughter to the best colleges. Because
Speaker 1: one of the greatest travises of this country, the greatest
Speaker 1: country in the world, is what we charged these kids
Speaker 1: to go to school. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous and a choke
Speaker 1: because what we do is we eliminate probably seventy eight
Speaker 1: percent of kids who are probably smart enough. I don't
Speaker 1: have the opportunity they they can't borrow that much money.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my daughter loved going to Villanova,
Speaker 1: loved it. She loved going to Columbia Grad school. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of kids who probably just as smart
Speaker 1: as my daughter who got no chance of going to
Speaker 1: Villanova or Colombia, but because of economics, they can't go
Speaker 1: to those schools. So, man, I wish we could find
Speaker 1: a way to do something about that really help. Very
Speaker 1: rare for a top five pick to join a Staple team,
Speaker 1: and you spoke to Moses is importance and Dr J
Speaker 1: how important to those two guys, And right off the bat,
Speaker 1: as soon as you landed in the league, Moses is
Speaker 1: the best thing ever happened to me from a basketball standpoint. So, Maddie,
Speaker 1: when I was in college, I played about right at
Speaker 1: three pounds. My weight fluctuated between two ninety and three hundred.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, that's only one meal. So so
Speaker 1: I played. I played about basically to but I was
Speaker 1: having success. I think even to this day, I'm the
Speaker 1: only person. Guys didn't leave school early. You're you're only
Speaker 1: left after your junior year in my day. So I
Speaker 1: think to this day, I'm sure the only person to
Speaker 1: lead to SEC and rebounding three straight years. So I
Speaker 1: don't think anything wrong. Damn. Oh yeah, and Jack, I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm doing because I'm having success. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm doing anything wrong. Like one of the hardest
Speaker 1: things in life is when you're successful, to know if
Speaker 1: you're doing anything wrong. So I'm leading the SEC and
Speaker 1: rebounding as a freshman, I'm leaving the rebound uh sophomore
Speaker 1: and as a junior, So I don't think that I'm
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. And I get picked number five by
Speaker 1: the Sixers and ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah that's right,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. Now I'm playing with real players. I
Speaker 1: can't play at that weight. But don't know it. Just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a rookie. Hey, rookie. They playing a time.
Speaker 1: I'm playing some minutes, but then I'm not getting no
Speaker 1: quality minutes. And so Moses, me and Moses having lived
Speaker 1: in the same building. Moses lived in the penthouse. I
Speaker 1: live on like the sixth Lord, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: And I said, Mo, can I come see you tonight?
Speaker 1: And I said, he said sure, And I called him
Speaker 1: Dad even to the day, and one of the most
Speaker 1: bitter sweet things people his family knew how close to
Speaker 1: where I got to speak it to due to eulogy
Speaker 1: at his funeral. I love that dude. But so I
Speaker 1: go up, that's a big mod. Why am I not
Speaker 1: getting to play. He's a oh, young feller, you're fatting
Speaker 1: your lazy playing it simple and like what he says,
Speaker 1: you're fatting your lazy. He said, Charles, I can't play
Speaker 1: a three pounds in the NBA, young fella. You're too
Speaker 1: fat and too lazy. Can't work hard at three h
Speaker 1: pound And UH put downstairs and cried and I gonna lie,
Speaker 1: and but he said, he says, you want to lose weight.
Speaker 1: I come meet you. Before practice, I meet you have
Speaker 1: to practice, and I said please, And this dude is
Speaker 1: let's and he did it in a way. It's how
Speaker 1: smart he was. He did in a way. He says,
Speaker 1: let's lose ten pounds together. Yeah he know. He said,
Speaker 1: let's lose ten pounds. He met me before practice, maybe
Speaker 1: I have to practice. I get to two ninety and
Speaker 1: I noticed, like even that ten pounds. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can work a little bit harder. He's okay, let's lose
Speaker 1: ten more. I'm like, okay, I get to two eighties.
Speaker 1: Now I'm actually getting to play. He says, let's lose
Speaker 1: ten more. Now I'm at two seventy. Now I'm really
Speaker 1: getting to play. It's not that I can work. I mean,
Speaker 1: thirty pounds a lot. Get to two sixty now I'm starting.
Speaker 1: Now I'm really can work. In my eyes out he says,
Speaker 1: I want to try something. So he says, let's get
Speaker 1: to two fifty. I'm like, okay, ship working. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I get to two fifty. Now I'm really starting. Things
Speaker 1: are really starting to take off. I actually got to
Speaker 1: two forty. But I said, but I don't feel strong.
Speaker 1: He said, two is your weight, but he was so smart.
Speaker 1: If you ever told me to lose fifty pounds, like,
Speaker 1: there's no fucking we can lose fifty pounds, There's no way.
Speaker 1: And I lost the fifty pounds and the rest is history.
Speaker 1: But for that guy taking me under his wing, first
Speaker 1: of all, he was already one of the best to
Speaker 1: ever do it. For him to take a little fat
Speaker 1: kid under his wing, it changed my whole life. It
Speaker 1: changed my whole life. So that's why, and that's why
Speaker 1: I called him Dad, and I just was really crazy.
Speaker 1: I just saw him at the Hall of Fame Friday,
Speaker 1: and as I always did, I gave him a hug
Speaker 1: and told him I loved him, and we hung out
Speaker 1: and had some fun at the Hall of Fame that Sunday. Well,
Speaker 1: I had to fly to l A the next day
Speaker 1: to shoot a Kirk commercial. I land in l A.
Speaker 1: I got a hundred messages, Yo, man, you're all right,
Speaker 1: You're all right. I'm calling to check on you. I
Speaker 1: love you, and I'm scrolling like everybody's checking on me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? And then finally says man
Speaker 1: called me. They had found him dead that that morning.
Speaker 1: Because I've been on a plane for like five hours
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was so upset. I just
Speaker 1: stayed in my room the whole day because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be friending anybody. We want shooting a commercial
Speaker 1: to the next day, I was like, I stayed in
Speaker 1: my room. I called my close friends, like the man,
Speaker 1: I'm so, this is such a fucked up situation. So
Speaker 1: apparently he had he had went home to do his
Speaker 1: regular charity golf tournament and he didn't show up and
Speaker 1: they found him in his hotel room. So I guess
Speaker 1: he died in his sleep. But man, when I got
Speaker 1: when I was looking, when I got that call, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was one of the worst days of
Speaker 1: my life. But I thank him for taking his little
Speaker 1: fat kid on his wing, because man, you guys know
Speaker 1: y'all been around a long time. We've seen motherfucker's eat day.
Speaker 1: We got the NBA. So man, moses he's the most
Speaker 1: important person, you know. And Doc was great, great, he
Speaker 1: taught me how to dress, he said, hey, because Doc
Speaker 1: was always immaculate to this. Yeah, he's like, Chuck, this
Speaker 1: is professional basketball. We don't dress you got you you
Speaker 1: can't be wearing warm up suits everywhere you go. He says,
Speaker 1: We're professionals, and he taught me how to dress. He
Speaker 1: taught me how to save my money, because he says, yo, man,
Speaker 1: how many cars you got? I got like six? He says,
Speaker 1: how many that can you drive? At the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? He says, uh, why
Speaker 1: do you have six cards? And I couldn't get him
Speaker 1: a good answer. He said, Charles, everybody knows who the
Speaker 1: funk you are because you ain't got to He said,
Speaker 1: you ain't got to impress these people. Everybody knows you.
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, he's his son. Take those cars back. You
Speaker 1: need one car if you want to, that's fine, but
Speaker 1: the mother one. Take him back. He's a son. This
Speaker 1: money gotta last you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: He says, I know you think you're gonna play basketball
Speaker 1: a long time. He's a basketball gonna be this shorter
Speaker 1: window of your life. He says, this money got to
Speaker 1: last you the rest of your life. And that was
Speaker 1: a great lesson. I tell these young guys, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you don't need but her met but says all the time,
Speaker 1: you don't need but one house in one car. If
Speaker 1: you want to splurge and get two cars, that's fine.
Speaker 1: But you don't need more than one house in one
Speaker 1: car this money. It's gotta ask you to rest your life.
Speaker 1: You don't know how long you're gonna live. And like
Speaker 1: I said, TV saved me because I would have been broke.
Speaker 1: Probably um because you know, we as black people, for
Speaker 1: some reason, we feel this need to take care of
Speaker 1: everybody in our family. And Grant Hills, mom, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest ladies I've ever met in my life, gave
Speaker 1: me the best advice and I'd never listened to it.
Speaker 1: We were at the Olympics, actually here in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: Granted just signed that She's one of the greatest women.
Speaker 1: We just lost her. She's one of the greatest women
Speaker 1: I've ever met. And she was telling uh, me and
Speaker 1: her and Calvin and Grant, we're having dinner at the Olympics.
Speaker 1: And she says, yeah, me and Cavin gotta go back
Speaker 1: to work tomorrow. Said wait a minute, Grant your side,
Speaker 1: because I think Grant was the first person. Is a
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars deal. That's a Grant your sign for
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollar y'all gonna work? She said, sit
Speaker 1: your ass down. She says, let me tell you this,
Speaker 1: do not take care of your family and all your friends.
Speaker 1: Do not do that, you're gonna end up broke. But
Speaker 1: you know, she said, it's worst than She said, it's
Speaker 1: gonna ruin every relationship you've ever had. And I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? She says, Number one, if you
Speaker 1: start giving your family and friends money, they're never gonna stop. Never.
Speaker 1: But she said the worst thing. The first time you
Speaker 1: tell them no, they're gonna hate you. She says, if
Speaker 1: you've given them five million dollars, the first time you
Speaker 1: tell them no, they hate your ass forever. She was
Speaker 1: a correct And I said, well, first of all, it's
Speaker 1: too late. I'm taking care of everybody. And she says,
Speaker 1: if you can share my vision with these young black
Speaker 1: kids going forward, tell them they don't have to take
Speaker 1: care of their entire families and people in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1: That's no written law. If you want to do something
Speaker 1: nice for some somebody in your family, that's you, but
Speaker 1: you don't have no moral obligation to take care of
Speaker 1: them forever. And man, I tell all these young black kids, man,
Speaker 1: you don't have no moral like if you want to
Speaker 1: do something nice for your mom and dad and whatever,
Speaker 1: or your brothers and sister. Nothing wrong with that, but
Speaker 1: to have them on the payroll and all your friends
Speaker 1: on the payroll, that's crazy. There's a reason professional Please
Speaker 1: go bro, that's it. But but for some reason we
Speaker 1: feel just like, yeah, I gotta take care of everybody. No,
Speaker 1: you don't funk that ship straight up. Jack and I
Speaker 1: always talk, going back to your two vets early on
Speaker 1: the importance of having veterans in the locker room. I
Speaker 1: think the NBA is so young now. That is, if
Speaker 1: you can't play here, there's no use. And and we
Speaker 1: speak to for every reason you just spoken what they
Speaker 1: did for you. The importance of that's in the locker room.
Speaker 1: Even if they're not contributed on the court, they're contributing
Speaker 1: so much off the court. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: First of all, you are one. I've said that for
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, every NBA team should have a
Speaker 1: Rdonna's hassle them or somebody like that. And I'm not
Speaker 1: even talking dollar and I'm even fund the basketball part
Speaker 1: that's gonna take care of itself. These dudes don't know that.
Speaker 1: First of all, we don't even know how to handle
Speaker 1: a checking account. Uh uh, you know, we need like
Speaker 1: the thing we just talked about, Like, yo, man, why
Speaker 1: you got ten guys with you all the time? Why
Speaker 1: are you taking care of Why? Why are they always
Speaker 1: with us? Yo? Man? Uh go buy some suits. I
Speaker 1: remember I tell you the story about Dr Jay, him
Speaker 1: and Maurice's cheeks and guys. And I'm a rookie. I'm
Speaker 1: still wearing warm ups everywhere. They take me shot today,
Speaker 1: what you're doing today? I'm like nothing, I'll get to
Speaker 1: hang out with to y'all. They're like, we're going shopping.
Speaker 1: They take me the boards store Boys is a famous
Speaker 1: clothing store in Philly. Like they're like, Chuck needs ten suits,
Speaker 1: ten sports coach and slacks. They fed me up and
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror and said, my recent the guys
Speaker 1: are just sitting back there looking yeah, okay, that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's good. Bill comes. It's like thirty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you ain't no abody my mom, my dad,
Speaker 1: my grandmother, ain't nobody in my house. I ever made
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand dollars a year. It's thirty two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and pay the bill. A young fellow I called
Speaker 1: my agent. I'm like wow, I called my agents. Yo, man,
Speaker 1: I need thirty or two thousand dollars. They're like what
Speaker 1: I said, the vest took me shopping. They told me
Speaker 1: I'm dressing like a college kid, so they bade me
Speaker 1: by like ten suits. Ten sports coach Jack Jackison slacks like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the right thing. But stuff like that. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, and at that time, we were flying commercials,
Speaker 1: so we're in the airport. But Doc and all those guys,
Speaker 1: they're always immaculate, but you are. And and you know,
Speaker 1: now they're getting to change the rule back. We're going
Speaker 1: back to drafting high school players. The high school player
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell he's doing. You know, they
Speaker 1: like they don't know how to eat. Like now, the
Speaker 1: ship was funny in the day, and it was funny
Speaker 1: when I said on camera those two fish relais and
Speaker 1: large fry and die Cocate probably shouldn't been eating that
Speaker 1: ship probably should not have been eating it. Like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: go get a healthy meal, I would tell a young guy. Now,
Speaker 1: I know you can get the two fish relays in
Speaker 1: the large fried at Twell eighteen nineteen. That ship ain't
Speaker 1: gonna have no effect upon you. But you need to
Speaker 1: learn good habits shared with your kids because you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, hey, you can share it
Speaker 1: like obviously I talked about earlier. Want of you know
Speaker 1: obesiitly diabetes. Those are big problems in the black community
Speaker 1: because we don't know how to eat. When you get
Speaker 1: in our position, like yo, man, teach how to eat.
Speaker 1: That's like um, I teach all my friends about credit cards.
Speaker 1: I remember in college capital one not not not a
Speaker 1: Capital one, but like you know, in college, they send
Speaker 1: you Master card and Visa Discovery cards yea, burn them out.
Speaker 1: And I remember me and all my teammates we go
Speaker 1: shopping like every weekend, and we'll be like high five
Speaker 1: of each other, like man, we get on these white
Speaker 1: folks ship, We're like we but behind ship. And then
Speaker 1: we were like, hey, man, we really getting up on
Speaker 1: these white folks. They're sending us credit cards blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then we paid the minimum. We go shopping every weekend.
Speaker 1: And then when I get to the NBA, my agent says,
Speaker 1: you got bills, we need to take care of us.
Speaker 1: You got BIB and he's just like he say, man,
Speaker 1: what all these bills you got? I said, man, we
Speaker 1: were getting over on those wife folks, we were buying
Speaker 1: all this ship. He says, are you serious right now?
Speaker 1: I says, what do you mean in myself? He says, so,
Speaker 1: y'all been buying all this ship, paying the minimum and
Speaker 1: keep buying ship. He's a son. You know how credit
Speaker 1: cards work. I says, yeah, you get him and you
Speaker 1: buy ship like son, you're only paying the interest. And
Speaker 1: he says, you see this thing you bought for two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. At the rate you're going, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: paying like two thousand dollars for it by the time
Speaker 1: you're done. And I remember, I said what He says, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how they get poor people. They get they give
Speaker 1: you a credit card, you pay the minimum, and you
Speaker 1: don't ever ever end up paying it off. But by
Speaker 1: the time you pay it off, you paid like three
Speaker 1: times what it originally costs. And I caused, you just
Speaker 1: gonna meet with all my college teammates. The man, we've
Speaker 1: been doing this ship the whole three years I've been
Speaker 1: in college and stuff like that, Like, you man, don't
Speaker 1: be you don't even know that, and you can teach
Speaker 1: that to your family. Yeah, so that's to go back
Speaker 1: to your point, like every NBA team should pay a
Speaker 1: veteran like, Hey, all our conversation the private, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna teach you about life. Yeah, and and and and
Speaker 1: the thing is just like, yo, man, I know the
Speaker 1: game ain'two seven o'clock. I know you can stay out
Speaker 1: the three, four in the one and sleep all day.
Speaker 1: But they sleep ain't the same as a good nights sleep.
Speaker 1: Ship like that that a better tell you, like like
Speaker 1: doctor didn't tell me sometimes Hey man, we got a
Speaker 1: big game, go to bed. I'm like, well, hey, they
Speaker 1: sleep ain't the same as nice sleep, like best tell
Speaker 1: you ship like that. So man, I'm one hundred percent
Speaker 1: with you. Every team you have like a veteran liaison, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can ask me anything. I'm not going and go
Speaker 1: wrapped to the team. I'm not a gonna rap, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to listen to me. Still, I think
Speaker 1: stuff like that would be huge. It will be because
Speaker 1: not only just teaching them about life, but I had
Speaker 1: guys like Steve Smith Kevin Willis to teach me how
Speaker 1: to be a professional, especially a young kid I'm coming
Speaker 1: into I know it's a game, but no, you you
Speaker 1: used a job. Now you gotta be a professional. So
Speaker 1: all that stuff helped me be be a better professional.
Speaker 1: So that definitely matters the league. Yeah, you and and
Speaker 1: the two guys you mentioned, two of the best guys
Speaker 1: I've ever been around. Two of the best guys I've
Speaker 1: ever been around. We recently had Magic on our show
Speaker 1: talking about the Dream Team, and uh, it was some
Speaker 1: crazy stories he had. Everybody got their own story. What
Speaker 1: went on? What's your take on on the on the
Speaker 1: Dream Team? It was crazy. It was incredible because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know how, like first of all, we all got
Speaker 1: tremendous egos. To be great, you gotta have an ego
Speaker 1: and with the perfect storm. So Magic was pissed because
Speaker 1: Scott had just locked him up in the finals, so
Speaker 1: he would wanted revenge. Michael Clyde Drexler kept insinuating that
Speaker 1: he was mad at he thought I'm just as good
Speaker 1: as Michael Gordon and Michael's like it was ballistic. So
Speaker 1: you got those two matchups. You got me and Karl Malone,
Speaker 1: who the we're the two best power forwards in the world,
Speaker 1: and we're like, motherfucker, we're the best too, but I'm
Speaker 1: the one. Then you got Patrick and David trying to
Speaker 1: prove who's the best set in the world. And it
Speaker 1: was like we are like no, I'm like I want
Speaker 1: you to note everybody was just like going at it
Speaker 1: like that, and it was so intense, and it was
Speaker 1: so much fun because we had respect, like Call Calls
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, but like I wanted that motherfucker. No,
Speaker 1: I'm the best motherfucking power for it in the world,
Speaker 1: and I get trying to prove it. You don't have
Speaker 1: John Stockton's and those guys and I don't have much
Speaker 1: Like yeah, we get to prove it every day, so
Speaker 1: you had that back drop. So every day it was
Speaker 1: like a game seven. I mean, it was so intense,
Speaker 1: but we still we're main friends after it was over.
Speaker 1: But man, our egos like like it was so it
Speaker 1: was so much fun. But it was in the practices.
Speaker 1: I never I've never been my entire basketball life. I've
Speaker 1: never been thinking as intense as those practices because everybody
Speaker 1: wants to everybody has something to prove. But it was
Speaker 1: so much fun though. Man, it was awesome because the
Speaker 1: passing of the torch where it's kind of m Jay's
Speaker 1: was kind of coming on this Orman he was there
Speaker 1: is already there but he was already k it was
Speaker 1: his NBA. Uh, you know, he was already the man.
Speaker 1: But what that did was it took us worldwide and
Speaker 1: David Stern, who's a genius, you know, everybody like that
Speaker 1: made the NBA the a real international game. Because when
Speaker 1: you talk to guys like Dirt Navsky, Steve Nash that
Speaker 1: less Trump great players, they're like, that's our first. Tony Parker,
Speaker 1: He's like, that's the first time I really knew about
Speaker 1: NBA basketball, because you know, at that time, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so old. People don't understand. People think basketball always
Speaker 1: been on television. That used to be one game a
Speaker 1: week on NBC. There was no ESPN, there was no TNT.
Speaker 1: So most people in ore my generation, they don't. They
Speaker 1: don't it couldn't get games overseas and things like that.
Speaker 1: All those guys when you talk to him, it's like
Speaker 1: the NBA that was my first recollection of NBA basketball,
Speaker 1: what's the dream Team? And so but it was so crazy, man.
Speaker 1: I get an example, So in our hotel, you couldn't
Speaker 1: get in unless you were on the Dream Team or
Speaker 1: NBA or part of the Olympic thing. So from here
Speaker 1: to that wall, what's the bus. That was three to
Speaker 1: five thousand people standard up every day just to watch
Speaker 1: us get on the bus, screaming the Hoarcelona, Barcelona, Barcelona. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean like they could only see us, like to
Speaker 1: walk to the bus. It was like three to five
Speaker 1: thousand people out there every single day along the highway
Speaker 1: because we had this is not crazy on the side
Speaker 1: of the bus. We had a cop with on on
Speaker 1: front and a guy with a machine gun on east
Speaker 1: side of the US. We had three police cars in front,
Speaker 1: three police cars in the back, and a helicopter of
Speaker 1: us the whole time, so people knew we were coming
Speaker 1: along the highway. There must have been thousands of people
Speaker 1: just standing on the side of the highway just holding
Speaker 1: up signs. It was the craziest thing. Like we're driving
Speaker 1: there's people on the highway holding up Magic Bird Jordan's signs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was surreal. I mean it
Speaker 1: was like and we were kind of in shock, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because we didn't know how big
Speaker 1: it was going to be. I mean, we knew it
Speaker 1: was gonna be something, but to see it live, like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: there's three thousand people standing outside of the hotel just
Speaker 1: to get a glimpse of us. I mean, obviously Magic
Speaker 1: Bird and Michael were the three guys. But like we
Speaker 1: were in the flow. If I'm not mistaken, you let
Speaker 1: that team is going though, didn't you? I let it?
Speaker 1: And rebounding it was easy though. It was easy though,
Speaker 1: basketball man, basketball was so easy to me. I got
Speaker 1: the best compliment ever from Chuck Daily. He pulled me
Speaker 1: aside one day. He says, you're the second best basketball
Speaker 1: player in the world. I said, who beat me? And
Speaker 1: I started laughing. We both start laughing because obviously Michael
Speaker 1: watch it. He says, I can get an appreciation watching
Speaker 1: you play every day. I said, Coach, let me just
Speaker 1: tell you this. I said, I'm a really good player.
Speaker 1: I can get your thirty I can get the twenty rebounds.
Speaker 1: I said. It's hard to do it when the whole
Speaker 1: defense is stocked against you when you're playing in the
Speaker 1: NBA game. But when I'm playing with these dudes, this
Speaker 1: ship is easy as I can score any time I
Speaker 1: want to. I can get a rebound any time I
Speaker 1: want to, I said. I said, I said this like
Speaker 1: when I got traded to Phoenix, when I got m
Speaker 1: v P, I said, man, I've been a great player.
Speaker 1: I just got help now as I got Dan Marlon
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson. I said, but I was a much better
Speaker 1: player in Philly. I just didn't have no help, I said.
Speaker 1: Put my first year in in Phoenix. I said, wait,
Speaker 1: y'all giving me Dan Marley and Kevin Johnson and said
Speaker 1: to Bollos, oh, yeah, we're good. I mean we're good
Speaker 1: and uh so, but so it was. It was if
Speaker 1: you're a great player of the game is easier with
Speaker 1: the better players you play with. Round mound, the rebound,
Speaker 1: the nickname. So if you go back and look at
Speaker 1: my history. So we were trying to drum up support
Speaker 1: uh at Auburn because you know we're a football school.
Speaker 1: So they came to me and says, hey, do you
Speaker 1: mind because they were gonna do a story on me
Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated. Uh, And I said, whatever, y'all do,
Speaker 1: whatever helped the program, because I need some help. I
Speaker 1: need some We ain't no good, I need some help.
Speaker 1: And um. They made a list of like Chrisco kids,
Speaker 1: the wild from Leeds Kid while he was a ball
Speaker 1: headed out, Chriscoe Gross, Chrisco cooking, oil cooking. I never
Speaker 1: had what it had to do with no just just
Speaker 1: just something to do with food. See, you don't know
Speaker 1: they thinking about that big as Chrisco kid, Chilo from Leeds,
Speaker 1: from Leeds, Brad Truck, Um, the good time blem uh,
Speaker 1: the round mount of rebound. So they had they helped
Speaker 1: the bread truck. Now all that money you getting. So
Speaker 1: they had a list because I said, I remember doing
Speaker 1: something on camera one time. There was about ten of
Speaker 1: them total of nicknames they have for me, And I think, uh,
Speaker 1: Brad Truck, I was bred Truck for a minute and
Speaker 1: then but I think by the end of my sophomore year,
Speaker 1: I was leading the league and rebound again. I think
Speaker 1: that's when it switched to a round mount of rebound.
Speaker 1: But man, it was like they were doing anything to
Speaker 1: drum up support. Yeah, I was good. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: stuck with you. Don't round mount with you. Obviously you
Speaker 1: spoke to being going to Phoenix. You traded to Phoenix
Speaker 1: UM after the Olympics. What was that first experience, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell people I got a chance to
Speaker 1: play for one here, but I loved Phoenix Scottsdale area.
Speaker 1: What was obviously the team was great, but what was
Speaker 1: that experience for you for the first time being out
Speaker 1: of Philly. As far as the professional goes, it was
Speaker 1: great for the fact, you know when when when we
Speaker 1: play an NBA game, you just go to the city
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, know that for like twelve hours, right
Speaker 1: about it. So I never really spending the quality of
Speaker 1: time in Phoenix. You fly in, you play. You might
Speaker 1: get to there the day before and you know you've
Speaker 1: got stuff to do. You play, then you leave, or
Speaker 1: you're flying after lady after game of the city, you play,
Speaker 1: sleep all day, played and go. When I got traded
Speaker 1: them like yeah, man, it's December and we're walking around
Speaker 1: in shorts, Like damn, we don't have to be cold
Speaker 1: all the time. He's colder ship too. Once you get
Speaker 1: cold and pheel it it's cold and hold, you're like, no,
Speaker 1: let's don't do ship. It's cold outside. I'm like, Phoenix,
Speaker 1: hey man, it's nice. Let's gonna play golf. It's December,
Speaker 1: it's seveny degrees. Let's do this. And we got the
Speaker 1: best record in the NBA, and we had a couple
Speaker 1: of pivotal moments. We get off to a slow start.
Speaker 1: The Bulls we picked the go So I tell these
Speaker 1: guys us I'm with the owner and team. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the deal. We're going to the finals. I said,
Speaker 1: I think I'm the best basketball player in the world.
Speaker 1: We're going We're going to the finals. The beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. Yes, we're gonna play the Bulls for the championship.
Speaker 1: And I says, I think I'm the best player in
Speaker 1: the world. Michael just got more help, and this is
Speaker 1: the deal. I don't need no bullshit. We're going to
Speaker 1: the finals. Nobody, We're gonna get there. So we get
Speaker 1: off to a pretty good start and I know Michael.
Speaker 1: They're hyping the game up. Best team in the East,
Speaker 1: best team in the West. They come in and I
Speaker 1: know Michael, Well, they stump us. I go ballistic. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I fucking told y'all what we're gonna do. That motherfucker
Speaker 1: came here. He sent me a message, and we didn't
Speaker 1: meet the challenge. I said, we are working for the
Speaker 1: job we got. We're working for the job we're gonna have.
Speaker 1: We gonna have to get better and quit fucking around.
Speaker 1: I said, we're not on their level right now. And
Speaker 1: that was the first turning point in our season, and
Speaker 1: we went on a long winning streak and we got
Speaker 1: it together and we uh finished with the best record
Speaker 1: in the NBA first round. Out of the playoffs, Kevin
Speaker 1: gets hurt. No number one seed as ever lost. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be the first we play the Lakers. Kevin's hurt.
Speaker 1: We lose the first two games at home this best
Speaker 1: of five. After the game, we devastated, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm in Trump, but right now I gotta figure something out.
Speaker 1: Our coach, Paul Westfall just passed away. Rest in peace.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that. I'm sitting in my locker. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the hell am I gonna do. I gotta get
Speaker 1: this team ready. We're going to l A tomorrow. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: like what I'm gonna do. The mother rest towards me,
Speaker 1: like twenty of them. Just did you hear what your
Speaker 1: coach said? I said, No, I didn't. I was It's
Speaker 1: just like your coach said, guys, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: much tonight. They kicked our ass twice. That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to l A, win game three. You're
Speaker 1: gonna go game go to l A. We're gonna stay
Speaker 1: there and win Game four. They're gonna come back here.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick the ass in game five, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna say what a hell of a series it was.
Speaker 1: And I says, oh, well, coach is right, let's go.
Speaker 1: I say co said it, and I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Coach was doing, but it changed.
Speaker 1: The light came on in the locker room and I
Speaker 1: didn't even have to ask no question about us choking
Speaker 1: the first two games. In the five games, he said,
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys gonna be the first number. Want
Speaker 1: to see you to ever lose to the eighth seed.
Speaker 1: And man, we went to l A for game three.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's had Randon Newman. We love l A. The
Speaker 1: crowd going crazy. We we played great. We actually beat
Speaker 1: him in game four. Bad come on for game five.
Speaker 1: It's a dog fight and James Worthy comes up to
Speaker 1: me out the game. He says, now, you better go
Speaker 1: win this thing. He said, young, He says, y'all showed
Speaker 1: me something. Go win this thing. The next round we
Speaker 1: play San Antonio. We beat them in six. I think
Speaker 1: that's when I hit the the shot that closed down
Speaker 1: the arena, that dumpy as arena. Y'all head down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no Hemisphere. That was the last game ever played there,
Speaker 1: and that really was the and one because he knocked
Speaker 1: you down on that three. Yeah. And then we play Seattle.
Speaker 1: Probably the best seven games chairs I've ever been in,
Speaker 1: the best game I ever played in my life. Game
Speaker 1: seven when I had four to four and twenty four,
Speaker 1: best game I've ever played in my life. I remember this.
Speaker 1: It was a great series. We win one and two,
Speaker 1: they win three and four, We win five, they win six.
Speaker 1: And I pulled Frank Johnson aside. He was like my
Speaker 1: vet to talk to the young guys. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: because everybody's quiet on the plane. That's long as flight
Speaker 1: from Seattle, I said, Frank, get back here. I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I said, what I gotta do.
Speaker 1: Everybody's down, everybody's nervous. Everybody's nervous, game self, not scared,
Speaker 1: just nervous. It's hyper. It's a long forty for those
Speaker 1: games seven, for getting ready. And I said, Frank, I
Speaker 1: gotta get this team and mostly ready for a game seven.
Speaker 1: What do I need to do? He says, Oh, I
Speaker 1: ain't worry. We got game seven. I said, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? He says, let me ask you a question,
Speaker 1: you have been to the finals. I said, nope. He says,
Speaker 1: I got the best fucking basketball player in the world
Speaker 1: on my team, and we we're gonna. We're gonna. You
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let us lose Game seven. And I says,
Speaker 1: what he says, Charles, you told me you were the
Speaker 1: best basketball player in the world. You got one game
Speaker 1: to get to the finals. You ain't never been to
Speaker 1: the finals. He says, you better not let us lose.
Speaker 1: I said, we're good. And I said, before Game seven,
Speaker 1: I said, boys, we're going to the finals. Get on,
Speaker 1: let's go. Get on my back. We're going, and that
Speaker 1: I end up playing the best game and I did.
Speaker 1: I said, we're going to the finals. Y'all, get on
Speaker 1: my fucking back. We're going, and we get to the finals.
Speaker 1: So game one, that's probably the most disappointed I've been
Speaker 1: in myself as a player. So we're playing the bulls
Speaker 1: game one, and you guys both been in the finals.
Speaker 1: It's different than the regular season. Different the playoffs. Every
Speaker 1: motherfucking the world is there. It's a bill. So we
Speaker 1: come out for Game one and my team is the
Speaker 1: way I normally did it was. I normally tried to
Speaker 1: get everybody involved in game one to get at home.
Speaker 1: I'm more aggressive on the road, because you know that's
Speaker 1: what stars do. They're more aggressive on the road. So
Speaker 1: Game one was like, I need to get these guys
Speaker 1: started so they can get their confidence. Everybody's a little nervous.
Speaker 1: I'm not nervous, but these other guys have never been
Speaker 1: in high pressioure situation like that. So Game one I
Speaker 1: was like, I was a little passive. They beat us.
Speaker 1: Game two, I said, fuck this ship, I'm going for it,
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm whatever it takes, and I come
Speaker 1: out I'm sucking so aggressive. But Michael, no, I'm sucking aggressive.
Speaker 1: He's like he I can see he's talking to Horace
Speaker 1: and Scotty like y'all got slow that motherfucker down. Because
Speaker 1: Hardest to me was one of the more underrated players,
Speaker 1: him and Scotty Man. When they doubled me, I couldn't
Speaker 1: see shit. They was so long and athletic. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see ship. But I still and I finished with like
Speaker 1: forty nine somewhere in there, twenty six something like that.
Speaker 1: But Michael fucking had like fifty five. That motherfucker would
Speaker 1: not let me win that game, and I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember going home. When I got home, my daughter
Speaker 1: was upset and I said, I told her I had
Speaker 1: told her before. I said, ain't nobody in the world
Speaker 1: better at basketball than your dad, and we're gonna win
Speaker 1: this fucking series. When I got home, she was crying
Speaker 1: and I was like, she's dad, I thought you told
Speaker 1: me you were gonna win, I said, I said, Christiana,
Speaker 1: I ain't never said this before. I think there's somebody
Speaker 1: better at basketball than me, you know, because you know
Speaker 1: it's it's Michael and Larry and Magic. I said. I
Speaker 1: loved that those guys are all great, But I said,
Speaker 1: the great because he has Kareem, he has James Worthy,
Speaker 1: Michael got Horrors and Scotty and Bergot mckill and pass.
Speaker 1: I said, I know, I'm just as good as those motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: but they just had more help. But I said, but
Speaker 1: going back to the forty twenty game four games, I
Speaker 1: was like, I can wield my team to win. But Michael,
Speaker 1: when I that night, when I was like, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let me win this thing, like I said,
Speaker 1: like I said, I had my forty something and he
Speaker 1: had so then so I said Hey, you know your dad,
Speaker 1: he ain't never gonna quit or give up. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be all right. So we go to Chicago and that's
Speaker 1: the triple overtime game. We win, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I might can do this thing. The next game, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker goes okay, so this uh no. So the next game,
Speaker 1: I think he had another fifty five. He was gonna
Speaker 1: end this ship. He was gonna end this ship, and
Speaker 1: they beat us. It was a hell of a game.
Speaker 1: Then before came five, Like, guys, we're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: So before the all day long, you know you don't
Speaker 1: do ship. You can't go out best on the road.
Speaker 1: Is there back and forth between you and m J?
Speaker 1: Off the court? This time we put our friendship. So
Speaker 1: then all day on TV, these motherfucker's on TV boarding
Speaker 1: up the city telling people to calm down. They win
Speaker 1: the championship. No no fires, yeo. Man. By time we
Speaker 1: got to the gym, I said, hey, man, ain't no
Speaker 1: fucking way we're losing this bitch tonight, because you know
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there steaming the whole day. Every channel you
Speaker 1: try to get away from that ship. Hey, we're boiling
Speaker 1: up to say, uh, this weekend, the championship routs gonna
Speaker 1: be here. What y'all please behave That's when it was
Speaker 1: two three too, right, there was at three in Chicago.
Speaker 1: The game five was in Chicago, and by the time
Speaker 1: we got to the game, I said, again a coach,
Speaker 1: let me speak all that played the Montherucker's five times
Speaker 1: ain't no X and right now, I said, guys, we
Speaker 1: cannot lose this game. That ship they were doing on
Speaker 1: TV today was so fucking disrespectful and pissed us off.
Speaker 1: And we won that game, and then uh, obviously we
Speaker 1: lost it back at home in Game six on the
Speaker 1: three pointer. But man, when I got the game five,
Speaker 1: I was like, ain't no fucking wait. Were losing, guys,
Speaker 1: because we sit there and watch that thing and talking
Speaker 1: about they were building up the city, talking about act
Speaker 1: like y'all got some common sense and don't be going
Speaker 1: crazy burning up cars and ship like y'all did the
Speaker 1: last time they won the championship. So I was but man,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I missed that m v P that
Speaker 1: season but lost in the finals. We recently talked to
Speaker 1: Magic about um, you know, his back and forth with
Speaker 1: Isaiah and and Isaiah's and MJ's beef or whatever that
Speaker 1: may be. Um, you and m J were really close
Speaker 1: and haven't spoke in some time. Is there is there
Speaker 1: a light at the end of the tunnel with that?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you guys commend that that would
Speaker 1: be on his end? Matt Um, he was my best
Speaker 1: friend at the time, and I love the guy and
Speaker 1: I missed the guy, but you know, I gotta do
Speaker 1: my job. What I said was, I said, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair for me to critique other
Speaker 1: gms and coaches and have a double stick that goes
Speaker 1: back to the skilled Baylis thing like you can tell
Speaker 1: the guys he liked and guys who just like I
Speaker 1: think I'm fair to everybody. What I said about Michael,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if he's ever going to
Speaker 1: be successful because of the people around him. I think
Speaker 1: he hires two many of his friends. Uh. And because
Speaker 1: your friend don't ever tell you. Know, the hardest thing
Speaker 1: about being famous is because you're paying all the bills,
Speaker 1: they're on your private yet I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 1: when you're doing something wrong. And I said that I
Speaker 1: didn't because he was struggling as a general manager, a
Speaker 1: running the team, and I said, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's ever gonna be successful. Gout the people around him.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna tell him no, and like, yeah, don't
Speaker 1: draft that dude, We need to trade that dude. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And he went ballistic and he called me
Speaker 1: and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker, fuck you.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah. And
Speaker 1: I said, man, I gotta do my job. And we
Speaker 1: haven't spoken since that night, and that was probably close
Speaker 1: to ten years ago. But I kind of agree with
Speaker 1: that because you know, they traded me after to the
Speaker 1: playoffs for the first time. Yeah, they do make some
Speaker 1: bad decisions over there. Uh so after the finals, you
Speaker 1: launched your signature shoe. Uh leads Alabama. Did you ever
Speaker 1: think that you would have your own Nike shoe? You know,
Speaker 1: my relationship with Nike has been amazing. Big Great Hawad White,
Speaker 1: Lynn Merritt, Phil Knight. Those are three of the most
Speaker 1: important people in my basketball career. When was your first
Speaker 1: signature shoe? I think I started getting them back in Philly.
Speaker 1: Uh did you have a signature shot? Oh? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: look what I'm saying that I want to tell him
Speaker 1: the story. So my high school state championship, My my
Speaker 1: family's poor. King for in the shoes we get there.
Speaker 1: My shoes are from the team, but I've been playing
Speaker 1: in tomorrow. Yes, so they raggedy. I'm talking about. I
Speaker 1: know how you're tonils cut through lett and my shoes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and my uncle shows up. They wouldn't let him back,
Speaker 1: but he shows up in the back, like for the
Speaker 1: locker room. So when my teammates come give me and
Speaker 1: he got a boxing shoes, I'm not knowing what it is.
Speaker 1: I opened the box. It was the black and Great
Speaker 1: Charles Bark my goodness, and yeah, them five fives. I
Speaker 1: played in the state championship and them ships and fresh path.
Speaker 1: Now we won, we won, but just to have a freend,
Speaker 1: you know, had a fresh path, and I want them
Speaker 1: about three years straight after, you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: that situation. So obviously grew up really, really poor. So
Speaker 1: my mom rest in peace. She always made sure I
Speaker 1: had a good pair of shoes. She bought him to
Speaker 1: the game, She took him right after. And hey at
Speaker 1: the game, she's knocking on the door, tell ya to
Speaker 1: bring them shoes. Here. I didn't get them. I couldn't
Speaker 1: wear I can only where them. She brought him to
Speaker 1: the game, came, you got the after the game, and
Speaker 1: because they had to last me the whole season and
Speaker 1: once it seems over, I could use them. But you
Speaker 1: talk about on up poor and getting shoes and things
Speaker 1: like that. It's so crazy that ship that's happening that
Speaker 1: you think you think about how lives have changed so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting there thinking, like I tell that story, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom used to bring my shoes to the game,
Speaker 1: like they had to last the whole season, and you
Speaker 1: came and got them right out of the game, and
Speaker 1: I didn't get them back until So man, some of
Speaker 1: this stuff you think about our lives. Now I'm sponsored
Speaker 1: by Jordan. Now, it's so crazy, isn't it. I Mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a crazy blessings, blessing, blessings I tell people
Speaker 1: all the time. Man, I got to honor and the
Speaker 1: privilege to be Charles Barkley. It's such a blessing. So
Speaker 1: the Fab Five, obviously one of the greatest college teams ever,
Speaker 1: decided to wear your shoe and and continue to kind
Speaker 1: of really entrenching in the culture. What are you thinking
Speaker 1: as you're seeing you know, these young black kids in
Speaker 1: Michigan and their new style and they're wearing your shoes
Speaker 1: on top of it. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's crazy. They were such it for Imna,
Speaker 1: they were such you know. It's kind of like I
Speaker 1: get to watch marsh Maddness now. I used to watch
Speaker 1: it a lot when I played because it's just great.
Speaker 1: And now I get to broadcast March Madness. And I
Speaker 1: tell people everybody should go to the Final four at
Speaker 1: one time in their life. There's two things you should
Speaker 1: do in your life if you like sports. Foundal four
Speaker 1: Saturday and the Olympics. Uh my job at the Final
Speaker 1: four is one of the craziest, coolest things I've ever
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to do. But also the Olympics. Man, No,
Speaker 1: TV doesn't do the Olympics justice. You go to the
Speaker 1: Olympics into the Final four. But to see those young kids,
Speaker 1: I mean, man, what they accomplished will probably never be
Speaker 1: accomplished again. To to get to the finals two years,
Speaker 1: to the Final four two years in a row with
Speaker 1: the same group of freshmen and sound boys, I mean
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I mean, well obviously not because you know,
Speaker 1: kids leaving so early, it will never be done again.
Speaker 1: But it was incredible. Your famous line I'm not a
Speaker 1: role model came around that time. Speak to that probably
Speaker 1: the most important thing I've done. Uh Donna did on
Speaker 1: that l elo eloquent enough verbally all the time. So
Speaker 1: that was a big deal for me. So you know,
Speaker 1: you know, part of our job we get to speak
Speaker 1: to kids a lot. So we still have too many
Speaker 1: segregated schools in this country, So especially in Philly, we
Speaker 1: speak at a lot of different like and I think
Speaker 1: players should always at least probably maybe even once a
Speaker 1: week go speak out of school because these young black
Speaker 1: kids especially look up to us and so, but what
Speaker 1: I was noticing was when I was going to speak
Speaker 1: to it, but as I always talk to kids about education,
Speaker 1: because one thing we need to value more, especially in
Speaker 1: black community, is education. I think we get so enamorous
Speaker 1: because most of the famous black people that know are
Speaker 1: rich because of sports, have been tainment. They don't realize
Speaker 1: that most people have to get a real job. So
Speaker 1: my thing is, when I was going to these schools,
Speaker 1: I said, well, how many of y'all want to play sports.
Speaker 1: And I noticed at the black schools pretty much every
Speaker 1: kid raised their hands, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: When I go to a white school, I said, well,
Speaker 1: how many of y'all want to play sports? Only about
Speaker 1: ten percent raise their hand. I said, what do you
Speaker 1: want to do? I want to be a doctor. I
Speaker 1: want to be a lawyer. I want to be an engineer.
Speaker 1: I want to be a teacher of firing police and
Speaker 1: things like that. So I kind of start paying attention
Speaker 1: for like a couple of years. I said, guys, um,
Speaker 1: we got too many black kids think they can only
Speaker 1: be uh successful through athletics and entertainment. They don't think
Speaker 1: they can be doctors and lawyers and engineers and ship
Speaker 1: like that. And I said, we need to do something
Speaker 1: about that. And so I call I meet with Nike.
Speaker 1: I said, I got this commercial I want to make.
Speaker 1: They're like you're fucking nuts. They're like you're fucking nuts,
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I says it says you're gonna
Speaker 1: get killed. I said, that's fine, I can handle it.
Speaker 1: I dude, I play in fucking Philly. I thought my
Speaker 1: name was Charles Barkley, your motherfucker For like five years
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I'm not gonna be offended or upset by
Speaker 1: anything like that. And he says, are you sure? I says,
Speaker 1: I'm positive. So I made the commercial. Obviously it blew
Speaker 1: up and craziness, and I said, and I went on
Speaker 1: explain what I was trying to do, and it turned
Speaker 1: into a real positive thing. And in fairness to Nike,
Speaker 1: they came to back to me late and says, hey,
Speaker 1: we were wrong. We let us We got was so
Speaker 1: positive on that commercial. And I said, all I was
Speaker 1: doing was trying to start a debat because I've got
Speaker 1: to get these black kids to top thinking they can
Speaker 1: only play sports to be successful. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to start like a debate and it
Speaker 1: turned it turned out to be perfect because I'm forty,
Speaker 1: I'll be forty five and April your role model to me.
Speaker 1: You'll appreciate it at But but I think these young brothers,
Speaker 1: man and sisters like we can be doctors and lawyers
Speaker 1: and engineers anything. But but they don't think that. They
Speaker 1: don't think that because they don't see it. They don't
Speaker 1: see that. The only famous they see how much money
Speaker 1: we make, and they see us jocks and entertainers like
Speaker 1: y'all do know we got black doctors, right, we got
Speaker 1: black largers, we got black engineers, judges, but they're not
Speaker 1: They're not in their neighborhood, right. Yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: see it to believe it. Um on your way out
Speaker 1: the league, you get a chance to go to Houston
Speaker 1: and play with Clyde and the King. What was it
Speaker 1: like playing with those two? That was very difficult for
Speaker 1: me to be honest with you, because I was I
Speaker 1: really didn't want to leave Phoenix. So the Rockets called
Speaker 1: me on the phone. One of my friends worked in
Speaker 1: the front office, Robert Barr worked for the Rockets, and
Speaker 1: he says, hey, man, if we trade for you, are
Speaker 1: you gonna want a new contract? I'm like, man, what
Speaker 1: the funk a you're talking about? He says, the Suns
Speaker 1: are shopping you. I said, Suns ain't shopping me. I'm
Speaker 1: on the player we got and I said, dude, the
Speaker 1: Suns are not shopping me. He said, Chuck, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. If we trade for you, you
Speaker 1: want a new contract. I said, dude, I got a contract.
Speaker 1: He said, are you gonna hold out for a new contract?
Speaker 1: I said, dude, stop at the Sun and he's a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, he says. I says, I called
Speaker 1: the Sons. I said, hey, man, are y'all shopping? Me? Like, no, man,
Speaker 1: you're the only player we got. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay. Three hours later, Charles, are you gonna
Speaker 1: want a new contract? And we trade for you? I said, yo, man.
Speaker 1: I talked to the Sun's and nothing going on. Charles.
Speaker 1: I'm actually this for the last. Are you gonna hold
Speaker 1: out or anything? If we make the trade? I'm like, yo, man, no,
Speaker 1: because at that point I knew they were full of ship.
Speaker 1: The signs were and they made the trade and I
Speaker 1: had to make the best of it. Uh. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: playing with the King and Clyde. I hate that we
Speaker 1: were all over the hill and we had two good years. Well,
Speaker 1: we lost. I think we lost in the conference finals
Speaker 1: one year. I got hurt. One year, I got hurt
Speaker 1: one year and then we lost in the conference finals.
Speaker 1: And I always want to thank Rudy tom Janovic because
Speaker 1: my last two years I couldn't play dead. He treated
Speaker 1: me great, He treated me great. The time. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't jump anymore. I was old, I was but he
Speaker 1: treated me great, and I went to him as a coach.
Speaker 1: Can I come off the bench? He says, you sure?
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not sure. I'm looking positive because and
Speaker 1: but I couldn't play, but they treated me great, which
Speaker 1: is all you want as a player because I was winding.
Speaker 1: It was the end of my career anyway. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna leave no money on the table to y'all. Y'all,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say lead to my last two years.
Speaker 1: I said, I can't play, but I'm I'm gonna finish
Speaker 1: these next two years out. And uh, but I really
Speaker 1: appreciated Rudy and the Rockets treating me with class. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It gave that championship field back to Houston when you came.
Speaker 1: Even though y'all didn't win, like it was, it was
Speaker 1: good times, you know. I enjoyed the city to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good time there. What are
Speaker 1: your biggest observations of this season so far? Home stretch
Speaker 1: almost done. It's awful basketball. I hate to be the
Speaker 1: old get all my long, dudes, which it's awful basketball. Defense,
Speaker 1: no defense, and it's become a three point shooting contest.
Speaker 1: And the only thing that balls mean. People like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just mad because you didn't play. I said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's strategy and basketball. Uh to just go to the
Speaker 1: gym saying we're just gonna jack up threes all night
Speaker 1: and if we make them, we win. If we're miss them,
Speaker 1: we lose. And the only thing that bossman I said, Hey, all,
Speaker 1: your motherfucker's can't be good three point shooters, right, I said,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if you're a good three point shooting all,
Speaker 1: y'all mothercker's ain't stuff. And Clay I says, I don't
Speaker 1: mind guys shooting threes, but you're big guys the shooting
Speaker 1: threes now, I says, if y'all just gonna have three
Speaker 1: point shooting contest, just say it. I said, the big
Speaker 1: guys don't post up anymore. Joel and be is the
Speaker 1: best big man up there with Joker, I said, the
Speaker 1: only two guys who post up realistically. I said, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I said, hey, uh, y'all play how you
Speaker 1: want to. But if y'all just gonna go out and
Speaker 1: shoot threes all night, but that's fine, I will tell
Speaker 1: you this. I said this the other night on the show.
Speaker 1: I got zero. I do gonna win the championship. I said,
Speaker 1: Denver's gonna finish with the best record because I think
Speaker 1: they got the best team. But you're gonna need a dog.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a dog at some point, and I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Jamal Murray. I said he's gonna
Speaker 1: be the key. I said, greatest joker is at some
Speaker 1: point in a basketball game, you gotta get a ball
Speaker 1: to it. I said this on their I said, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: get me one, and I said, Jamal Murrish the guy
Speaker 1: who can do that. I love what they went out
Speaker 1: going to get ground and KCP and so Denver to
Speaker 1: me looks like, man, they're gonna be a handful. But
Speaker 1: I think my sons are done. Uh, because once you
Speaker 1: lose that chemistry on the team, I don't think you
Speaker 1: can get it back. And I think they've lost it.
Speaker 1: They don't like each other and once because I think
Speaker 1: you gotta Every team had as clicks, but you have
Speaker 1: to like and respect each other if you're going to win.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and Boston, I think they're they've separated themselves in
Speaker 1: the East and the intriguing team is gonna be Brooklyn. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come down to Ben Simmons because
Speaker 1: I think Katie and Kyrie gonna do their thing, but
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is gonna be the wild card. He has
Speaker 1: to be a factor somewhere. Yes, like you need to
Speaker 1: be the defensive stopper, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: he just out there right now, he's not doing that,
Speaker 1: not doing anything and so but man, it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: But that's the beauty of it. Man, somebody's gonna win
Speaker 1: this thing and it's gonna be well deserved. But right now, uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. Anybody in today's game remind you
Speaker 1: of yourself, not really, because you know they just nobody
Speaker 1: plays physical. You can't. First of all, you can't play physical.
Speaker 1: You know. I had to play physical because I'm a
Speaker 1: six five guy playing against big dudes I got. I mean,
Speaker 1: Zack Brando was the last guy you see Zack, Zack
Speaker 1: and a Joker. I love watching them play because everybody
Speaker 1: can play. When you can run and jump, yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're playing a by the room, yeah, But when you
Speaker 1: have to use your brain and your body. That's why
Speaker 1: I love watching Jack, Joker and Zack play. Now. I
Speaker 1: really love that boy, you honest, him and Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: I've never seen NBA players play harder than those two guys.
Speaker 1: You know at Russell. Does he have flaws, yes, but
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say anything bad about a man who
Speaker 1: plays that hard every single night and plays every almost
Speaker 1: every game, every game, And you're honest, he's the same way.
Speaker 1: He plays one effort every single night and you have
Speaker 1: to admire that. To who's the best playing league right now?
Speaker 1: To you, I would go with Johannice. I would go
Speaker 1: with Janice Um Katie is probably the best offensive player.
Speaker 1: But nice, but Joker's ridiculous. Mean that dude is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's the last to m D. P Wins. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he is ridiculous. I mean, but you know, Joel
Speaker 1: is fantastic, step Steph. I mean. So it's some great
Speaker 1: players out there and they're fine to watch. I just
Speaker 1: wish they would bring a little bit more strategy into
Speaker 1: the game. And they're just saying, hey, man, let's just
Speaker 1: jack up a bunch of threes. That's what's going on
Speaker 1: to quick hitters. First thing to pop your mind. Let
Speaker 1: us know this is gonna be a big one to
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. Top five all time? Who's
Speaker 1: in your top five? Michael Oscar Wilt Kareem, Bill Russell,
Speaker 1: those your top five, Kobe, Lebron, Tim Duncan, Ha King,
Speaker 1: Jerry West, those are my top ten. And then you
Speaker 1: got Magic Bergs Shack. Steph is right there in that
Speaker 1: wasty Elgin Baylor. Can can any current player crack the
Speaker 1: top ten by the time they're done? In your in
Speaker 1: your top ten? In your opinion? He like that. That's
Speaker 1: because that's a great question. Stephan is knocking on the door.
Speaker 1: If Steph win one more, it's gonna be hard not to.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard not to put him in the
Speaker 1: top ten? Did you have ten? He's seven? Kobe, and
Speaker 1: it's so fun. I had an argument with the dude.
Speaker 1: He's the biggest Lebron fan in the world. And I said, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I didn't put Steve Nash ahead of Lebron, no disrespect.
Speaker 1: I put Kobe Bryant, I said, and I love Lebron,
Speaker 1: I said, but the difference in my opinion, I said, Michael,
Speaker 1: and Kobe will kill you like over, I said, like
Speaker 1: Lebron is a nice guy. I said, ain't nobody ever
Speaker 1: said Kobe? And and Michael were nice guys. I said,
Speaker 1: those words ain't never been spoken. No, but nobody ever said,
Speaker 1: man that Michael Jordan's a nice guy. I'm like they did.
Speaker 1: Who said that? The same thing with Kobe and there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But Lebron he's just a nice man.
Speaker 1: And I got him seven Yeah, one album you can
Speaker 1: listen to and repeat. I want to hear this. I
Speaker 1: want to know what kind of music you listened to. Well,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I had a bunch of people over
Speaker 1: last night, and it's so funny. Chuck d gave me
Speaker 1: a vine anal about a year and a half ago.
Speaker 1: So I've been out buying albums and I had all
Speaker 1: the Capital One people over the spot last night. We're
Speaker 1: getting drunk and we've been tired of shooting. We listened
Speaker 1: to Public Enemy, Tupac uh notrus B, I g the Eagles. Dude,
Speaker 1: I've been shopping. I got about ten new vinyls for
Speaker 1: Christmas from different friends. And I bought a record player
Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago after Dred got
Speaker 1: me that because I had to, because that's the old school.
Speaker 1: I had record player growing up, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: they were making a comeback. But I got when Drey
Speaker 1: and excuse me, when Chuck gave me that vinyl about
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, I went out and
Speaker 1: bought me a record player. So I've been going to
Speaker 1: a record store like once a month picking up I
Speaker 1: just I just got uh Thriller, the new Bruno Bruno Mars.
Speaker 1: But like I said, most of my stuff it's uh
Speaker 1: jay Z, Tupac Biggie. And then we had it blowing
Speaker 1: up last night and it was going down. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: have been working like twelve hour days for four days
Speaker 1: in a row, and man, we live. Everybody left town
Speaker 1: this morning. But we let it go last night. Man,
Speaker 1: we were going at it hard. I love it. I
Speaker 1: love it. Kenny briefly spoke to this when we had
Speaker 1: him your first impression when Shaq came to the crew
Speaker 1: and he brought his DJ said his hookah lounge and
Speaker 1: all this kind of ship right off the release. See
Speaker 1: him shake his head right of the bat. So so
Speaker 1: you know we're in a We're in a in a room.
Speaker 1: We got like so it's act like something like this.
Speaker 1: We have every game on at a bunch of networks,
Speaker 1: shocks another room smoking hookah. He loves hooka loves it
Speaker 1: every day and he's in there smoking hooking the like,
Speaker 1: and then he's practice DJ stuff. Apparently he's pretty good DJ. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like loud as hell, loud as hell, he's smoking
Speaker 1: hookah and we're going like yo, man, which so it's
Speaker 1: crazy he's in that practice in this DJ thing. And
Speaker 1: finally they said, you know, man, you can't smoke hookah
Speaker 1: in the building. He goes out in the parking lot
Speaker 1: and he's smoking hookah and he loves it, he loves
Speaker 1: and he just makes us laugh man, because he's got
Speaker 1: a pure heart. But man, when he first came there,
Speaker 1: but the tina was really funny. He comes like the
Speaker 1: first night, will he do something funny? Second night he
Speaker 1: do something funny, Third night, to do something funny, and
Speaker 1: then he says then he says like, hey, I need
Speaker 1: you guys. I need you guys. I'm gonna try this
Speaker 1: next week. We're like, yo, man, you know we're on
Speaker 1: TV like a hundred and some days. You can't try
Speaker 1: to do some ship every night. So seriously, so we're
Speaker 1: like the joke around the studio became like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: like five shows of shocks setting it up on fire
Speaker 1: on TV. It was like because he was actually thinking,
Speaker 1: like I've got to outdoing myself every week. We're like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: we're only four shows in. We got a hundred shows
Speaker 1: and that that's where we came up with a joke.
Speaker 1: What do you think about show ten twiver We're gonna
Speaker 1: set us up on fire and that became the joke.
Speaker 1: But we're like, yo, man, we don't have to outdo
Speaker 1: ourselves everything. Yeah, I says, the only time we have
Speaker 1: to come up with ship is when we got bad games.
Speaker 1: He says, we got good games. It's the easiest job
Speaker 1: in the world. I said, because we're on from seven
Speaker 1: to one third in the morning. I said, if the
Speaker 1: games are good, we're good. But if we got ship games,
Speaker 1: we gotta make people still watch. That's when we have
Speaker 1: to come up with silly stupid I said, So, so
Speaker 1: let the game play out before you come up with
Speaker 1: some ship so so, but it's been fun man do
Speaker 1: this today. Yeah, it's like it was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: let the game play out, because you, like I said,
Speaker 1: you want people to watch it, but they're not gonna
Speaker 1: watch from seven to one thirty if it's ship games.
Speaker 1: So let the games play out. But now he's got it. Man,
Speaker 1: he's got the best boxing fight you've ever seen live.
Speaker 1: I've seen a hundred of them. I would probably say haggler, hearns,
Speaker 1: use their lives. Yeah, I was dere forhold the field,
Speaker 1: the bite. I was there for the bite. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was there one. So it was so funny. That was
Speaker 1: in Vegas. So you know, you know, you play golf
Speaker 1: all day, you're getting your drink on. I love to
Speaker 1: drink and love to gamble. So we see this motherfucker
Speaker 1: circling and we look up and said, man, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: real close to the ring. Yes, And they're like, man,
Speaker 1: shut the funk. Have you just drunk? That's not mask
Speaker 1: My fun up on one of them glodders up here
Speaker 1: about hour later. But I've been Oh, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a funny story about boxing. I'm with Magic Michael Patrick, Youwan,
Speaker 1: and they're all like early in my career, I'm a
Speaker 1: young buck on the totem pole. They make me go
Speaker 1: get drinks and I come back and Tesson already I
Speaker 1: knocked this motherfucker, like you missed the fight? Are you
Speaker 1: fucking serious? Right now? Motherfucker's are laughing at me. I'm
Speaker 1: walking on that with two buckers of popcorn and some drinks.
Speaker 1: I walked back fight so over. They just laughing at me.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, yeah, I don't suck this man. I've
Speaker 1: been boxing football in my two favorite sports, because you know,
Speaker 1: I played football for one day and I did one day.
Speaker 1: I did. But one day I was like, now I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this ship. I was sitting there, bleeding, hands
Speaker 1: all beat up. Everything hurts position, defensive tackle. I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, I'm bleeding a couple of places. Head hurd
Speaker 1: co says, I see y'all to Marrow, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: this ship tomorrow. I'm not doing this ship tomorrow. No,
Speaker 1: hell no, I'm done. And I like coach, so take
Speaker 1: my shower, fold my ship up. As a coach. This
Speaker 1: ain't for me. I was thinking that the other night
Speaker 1: when that young kid the mar got hurt. Man. The
Speaker 1: reason football and boxing on my favorite sports. It takes
Speaker 1: covers to go out there, sir. You can't be soft
Speaker 1: and play football or box. You cannot. And so that's
Speaker 1: why they're my two favorite sports. Like I tried it
Speaker 1: for one day and I'm like, yeah, this ship is
Speaker 1: not for me. And that's why I admire football players
Speaker 1: and boxers. I said, you can be soft and played basketball,
Speaker 1: but there's no soft football players or boxers. You can
Speaker 1: get hurt in those sports every single time you lay
Speaker 1: them up. And that's why they are my two favorite sports.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't play boxing. But since I was
Speaker 1: showtime and I do a lot of stuff with boxing,
Speaker 1: I would like to invite just one of the fights
Speaker 1: coming up. Got a good car coming up the rest
Speaker 1: of this year, So like the invite you. You know,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'll take you up on that. Don't
Speaker 1: they bothers me about boxing? These dudes won't fight each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really pisces me off because you know, I look
Speaker 1: at Ali, I'm a phrase. I had three, they had three.
Speaker 1: You don't. And I don't understand why you don't want
Speaker 1: to fight the best, Like I would want to know
Speaker 1: who's better, who's better? Hey, and let me see if
Speaker 1: you beat me. Let me get my back in the
Speaker 1: gym and see if I can get better. And I
Speaker 1: hate people say, well, it's the Floyd era. Floyd for everybody,
Speaker 1: Floyd for everybody. He didn't dunck nobody thought everybody. The
Speaker 1: only thing a problem. I have a flawed He waited
Speaker 1: too late to fight Package, but he didn't fight fight
Speaker 1: everybody every but these young boys that they all want
Speaker 1: to be undefeated. Yeah, yeah, they want to Oh and
Speaker 1: I don't understand that because I wouldn't want to say, Hey,
Speaker 1: he beat me the first time, I got better and
Speaker 1: beat him the second time. Now that's how and that's
Speaker 1: you want. Can you imagine it in our sport if
Speaker 1: somebody said we want the East, We're good, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna play the West. Like now we're the Eastern Company champions.
Speaker 1: We got wet. Yeah that ain't good enough. But that man.
Speaker 1: So that's the only thing that bothers me about boxing.
Speaker 1: But I love it. Hopefully I'll get back to it. Um,
Speaker 1: obviously you probably met everybody in the world. But who's
Speaker 1: the coolest person you've got a chance to meet? But
Speaker 1: Denzel was great, Jack Nicholson was great. That Jack Nicholson. Uh.
Speaker 1: When I met Sam Jackson for the first time, it
Speaker 1: was I still want to meet you know in these commercials,
Speaker 1: we uh will and Nelson isn't it? And I told Spike, I, Spike,
Speaker 1: why in the hell did you tell me you were
Speaker 1: gonna be with Will and Nelson. I want to meet
Speaker 1: Will and Nelson. Uh Indris Elba want to meet him.
Speaker 1: I met Edin Murphy one time. It was pretty cool. Yeah, said,
Speaker 1: you met Snoop one time. I was excited to meet Snoop.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not often. I met Dr Dre a
Speaker 1: long time ago, you know, stupid living legend. It was
Speaker 1: pretty cool to meet him. I want to meet him
Speaker 1: and them if anybody get a chance to hang out
Speaker 1: with you, because I had a chance to hang out
Speaker 1: with you the Big three as soon as I walked
Speaker 1: my chance to speak to him. Good. As soon as
Speaker 1: you saw me, Jack, Hey, he's been me. Tell he's
Speaker 1: been me. Hey man, we're in the same fraternity. Man,
Speaker 1: anybody's in my fraternity, We're good. You know what it
Speaker 1: takes to get to the NBA both day and after sports.
Speaker 1: But you know, like if you get to the game,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I respect that because like the way this
Speaker 1: thing work is, we all played high school a couple
Speaker 1: of more, only a couple move home, get to college,
Speaker 1: play there even less. Then to get then you get
Speaker 1: to the big boy even less. And if you get there,
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, man, are much respect? You got to
Speaker 1: the dance, and everybody's trying to get to the dance.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world, the whole world, the whole world.
Speaker 1: Really find a question. If you could see anyone on
Speaker 1: our on our show, who would it be? But but
Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show.
Speaker 1: We had everybody on your show already. So, but you
Speaker 1: went to college with someone we really want who you
Speaker 1: watched this high school football game? Yeah? Does he do interviews?
Speaker 1: He does not, He does not anything. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I will call boy. You have my word,
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate appreciate it. You have my word. I
Speaker 1: will reach out to Boat appreciate you. Bian We dim
Speaker 1: each other and I asked him and he'll like kind
Speaker 1: of laugh around it. So if maybe if you put
Speaker 1: the pressure on a good dude man, seem like a
Speaker 1: great podcast. Hopefully you have my word. I'll reach out
Speaker 1: to Bulle. Who else? Uh? Obama? No? No, Sae. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm looking up to Samuel because I'm starting my acting lately.
Speaker 1: Late party four. He didn't win his oscar to a
Speaker 1: year ago sixty or something, So yeah, I look up
Speaker 1: to him. Samuel Jack. Anybody in your roller dex will
Speaker 1: do anybody you know. So the thing I like Spike
Speaker 1: so uh oh, Spike for sure. Easy. We ain't spike either,
Speaker 1: that's easy. Let Menna tell you this when they have
Speaker 1: when they approached me four years ago. Uh, they pushed
Speaker 1: me in Earn and says, you guys want to do
Speaker 1: a podcast. I'm like, nope, nope, nope, I don't wanna
Speaker 1: do no part podcast. And I'm like no. And then
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of the pandemic. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what these motherfucker's are still paying us, Let's help him out.
Speaker 1: The best decision I made. I'm talking to motherfucker's. Ain't
Speaker 1: never in my life. We had Dr Faucion, We had
Speaker 1: to Chef Andre's on last week. We got salad Field
Speaker 1: on next week, this week, next week, next week. Um,
Speaker 1: you know we've had you guys, you guys, you should
Speaker 1: have on here, Massawya, Jerry unbelievable. Oh yeah. We had
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. We had Curvit Smart on last week.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, I'm kind of thinking we've been doing it.
Speaker 1: We're being people to learn about somebody that you would
Speaker 1: never cross paths with. It's pretty interesting and uh that
Speaker 1: it was one of the best decisions and just like
Speaker 1: you guys said to me, maybe throwing names out there,
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to get this person. We're gonna try
Speaker 1: and we're like, yeah, that'd be cool, and uh so yeah,
Speaker 1: keep doing it and getting crazy people on there, like
Speaker 1: there's people. He was like, I ain't no way in
Speaker 1: the hell I thought i'd be sitting in the room
Speaker 1: with you getting to ask you questions. And it's pretty special, man,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, but also even you know, having
Speaker 1: you when something we looked up to our whole life,
Speaker 1: get to have an in depth conversation with you. Normally
Speaker 1: it's superficial or surface because we don't have that kind
Speaker 1: of time. But for you to sit down and really
Speaker 1: chut man two hours because I don't do these, because
Speaker 1: I got a lot of love and respect for both
Speaker 1: of y'all. The only reason I'm doing it because I
Speaker 1: don't do sit down. Because number one, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: need you to watch me. I don't want to give
Speaker 1: all I want to get bought my ship away. I
Speaker 1: want you to watch me. People pay for me to
Speaker 1: get people to watch and if I go on TV,
Speaker 1: everybody show Yeah I said no, I said, but I said, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's make it work. And I'm glad because when we
Speaker 1: when we when you first hit me, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm shooting commercials and I said, okay, I'm so glad
Speaker 1: y'all were able to stay because I was like, man,
Speaker 1: because you know, you know, when you shoot a commercial,
Speaker 1: you show up like something and want to get out
Speaker 1: there like nine nights. We make any day work. And
Speaker 1: I said, hey, let's make it work. So thank you, brother, man.
Speaker 1: Appreciate for you. Man. I like free Ship and I
Speaker 1: know you like gear. You can get that all the
Speaker 1: smoke gear at all the Smoke Store if you would
Speaker 1: like to be fresh like the O G. Chuck all
Speaker 1: the smoke story Man Chuck. We again, we appreciate you, man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the path you've you've opened up for a
Speaker 1: lot of us. Again, you know, you fell on it
Speaker 1: upon the women. You've mastered it and you continue to
Speaker 1: get better here and we look up to people like
Speaker 1: you and look up to you in particularly, and we
Speaker 1: appreciate everything you've done for the game, everything you've done
Speaker 1: post career. So thank you very much for that. You
Speaker 1: owe it, go to games, giving me everything. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to share it. Yeah, thank you. That's a rap.
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, All the Smoke You cast us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube,
Speaker 1: and the I Heart platform Black Effects. This one's probably
Speaker 1: gonna come on linear TV, though, so you're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to catch this one on Showtime. So let's see
Speaker 1: you all next week. Peace,