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Speaker 1: Yesterday was a good day. Man, man, we're always killing.

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Speaker 1: And then we finished it off at your house, laughing

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Speaker 1: NBA roster off and it's only right man. We finished

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Speaker 1: with the one and only Charles Barking. Hey Man, thank

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Speaker 1: you Mane. I just want to say I'm proud of

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Speaker 1: you guys than I'm proud of you your success. I mean,

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Speaker 1: not the NBA because that's that's just talent. But you

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Speaker 1: am I gonna make money the rest of my life?

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Speaker 1: So I'm proud of y'all. Man, keep doing y'all things.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me check in here. Yeah, we had

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Speaker 1: to check the ha him at a sports ball because

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Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to eat while we did the interview.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, is he the biggest fifty year old kids

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Speaker 1: kid a civilization? I played with Shack on the same

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Speaker 1: he was walking around naked, tackling trainers naked like Shaq

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Speaker 1: was a menace. But as soon as the ball went

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Speaker 1: the studio of our own business. That big motherfucker just

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Speaker 1: like yo, man. And he's not little neither. He's huge.

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Speaker 1: He's the biggest human being in the world, in the world,

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Speaker 1: in the world. But but he got a pure heart man,

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Speaker 1: I got a great relationship with the Chuck. I'm in

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Speaker 1: don't know what's about to happen. The judge like, stand up,

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Speaker 1: Mr Jackson. Uh He's like, you've been a second, Like

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Speaker 1: you know this guy is Shock. On FaceTime they dropped

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Speaker 1: Didn't even say nothing to him. He called Shack. He's like,

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Speaker 1: in somemos. Random dude, Like one day we're stad in

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Speaker 1: the studio, he's like, yo, say hello. I'm like, who

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Speaker 1: say hello? It's Dr Phil. He faced time in Dr

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Speaker 1: Phil and then like, uh, one time he's like, my man,

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Speaker 1: run who's like the animal Expert? Like he said hey,

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Speaker 1: He's running the Expert from down in Florida. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's a funny, Like, dude, how the hell you FaceTime

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Speaker 1: in Dr Phil all over the place? Uh? Man, Speaking

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Speaker 1: of Shock being a big human. You look good. We

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Speaker 1: just noticed you said, yeah, you finally got your two

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Speaker 1: us about that. Man, you know what it's getting weird.

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Speaker 1: I'll be sixty, which is crazy this year like ship

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Speaker 1: told people my pregame meals. I got two fish filets,

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Speaker 1: my pre game nap. I'm good like that. Right now,

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Speaker 1: you pass McDonald's. You gain weight. You don't even look

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Speaker 1: at it, right, that's funny. Man recently signed a tenure

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Speaker 1: that procecause I don't know if it was true rumors

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Speaker 1: And I said, go take that money. You gotta take

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Speaker 1: And they said to me, listen, this is the deal.

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeoh, man, I'm an owl now, you know

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Speaker 1: what you know? People are like Stephen who like it's

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Speaker 1: asshole and Jack. It was one of the funniest things ever.

422
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: So we got that game and I said, O, man,

423
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: as much as I love Kobe Brown, what he did

424
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: tonight was total bs. He wouldn't shoot. He took one

425
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: shot in the second half, and I was like, I

426
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: didn't like to earnestly, what do you mean he was

427
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: trying to prove a point. They were getting their ass kicked.

428
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: He don't have a lot of help, I said, But

429
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: that's what separates him from Michael Jordan Michael Jr. Like

430
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: when he played aginst the South, He's like, now I'm

431
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna get sixty. Kobe was trying to prove a point.

432
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: I didn't have no head. So he starts texting me

433
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: after the game. So you know, we get off around

434
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: one two in the morning. He texts me like times,

435
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: called me every name in the book, and I'm texting back, Yo, man,

436
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and called me no, fuck you,

437
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: fuck you, mother fucking fuck you. But that bullshit what

438
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: you said. We go big. I mean he called me

439
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: like and this goes on for like two or three hours,

440
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: and I said, yo, man, I'm tired. I'm going to bed, motherfucker.

441
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: Go to bed. And he says he texts me probably

442
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: twenty times, and it was just motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker. And

443
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: he said, we see each other like months, ladies. Man,

444
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's a man. You know what, It's all good.

445
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: You allowed the event. We hug at your Yeah, and

446
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: then we hugged each other and we were always cool.

447
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: But it's never personal. I just didn't like what he

448
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: did that night. But the point I was gonna make

449
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: it is these guys, like when I said I had

450
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: been saying for three years that dude the best basketball

451
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: player in the world. He never called me and say

452
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: thank you these guys, I said nine great things about

453
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: that one, not one like Charles thank you for the

454
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: kind words. Now I never get that text. You know,

455
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: Kenny played like ship tonight, Hey fuck you, Charles Barkley.

456
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm getting that on Twitter and things like that. So

457
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: that's the only time I get mad. I get mad.

458
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: Then I laughed. They never called me and says, hey man,

459
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: thank you kind words. But if I say one bad day,

460
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: I said nine great things one they go and that's what. Yeah,

461
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: that's that's only time I get mad. Why don't you

462
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: have a text me saying great when I'm saying how

463
00:25:53,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: great you? Thank you? Question? You mentioned Skip Bayless obviously

464
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: recently with the unfortunate situation to have went to bar

465
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: handling on the bills, he just had an untimely tweak,

466
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: and I think he thought that he could say some

467
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: bullshit and then say something kind of you know, meaningful

468
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: at the end and we wouldn't see through the bullshit

469
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: that was brought to attention. But then also the way

470
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: he's just kind of been disrespecting this co host and

471
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: you have to see Shannon kind of taking to your

472
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: breath every once in a while. What is this your

473
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: take on what he is doing? And just how disrespectful

474
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: I feel like he is two players and now his

475
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: co host is so I really I don't like the

476
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: guy because television a very powerful weapon, right, very powerful.

477
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: One of my mentors is Mike Wilboton. He's won about

478
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: the admire really respect and because he did my last

479
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: three books and he's become like a big brother, father figure.

480
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: But he said something very interesting to me, and I

481
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: already knew it. He says, Man, being on television is crazy.

482
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: That's what do you mean? He says, I've been at

483
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: the Washington Post for twenty five years, did it all?

484
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Nobody in the world knew who I was. I go

485
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: on TV for a year. I can't go nowhere without

486
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: people running up on me. And I said, man, TV

487
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: is amazing, Like it's such like everybody knows who's on television,

488
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: especial if you're successful, you're on television a lot. It

489
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: is really a big like everybody watched television and skill

490
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 1: to me when you these guys are real people, and

491
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't mind you criticizing guys, it could never be personal.

492
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: And and and one thing I hate about the media.

493
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: You can tell guys they like and dislike. You can't

494
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: talk about people on television like that. You have to

495
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: be fair and honest with people. And I think he is.

496
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: You can tell who he likes, you can tell who

497
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: he dicks likes, because he makes it personal. Like you

498
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: can't say bad stuff about Lebron James, but everything out

499
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: your mouth can't be bad. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible.

500
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: And I've said this before. I think Lebron James is

501
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: the greatest sports story of all time. You know, you

502
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: look at Kobe, Kevin Garnette, Tracy McGrady. I think those

503
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: probably three of the greatest straight to high school players. Dwhite.

504
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: He's great, but they all struggled in the beginning. He

505
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: been in his primes as they want, they want. That's

506
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: why I said for him to come into the NBA

507
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: at eighteen years old. He was really good. We had

508
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: his game I think on T and T Sacrament Yes,

509
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: he played really good. But in this generation with social media,

510
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: he's never gotten in trouble. He lived up to all

511
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: the hype. Yes, I think it's probably the greatest story

512
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: in sports history. Like, I'm like to be the number

513
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: one be is good from a team and never really

514
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: get in trouble in this society where people are out

515
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: to get youwhere everywhere. I think it's probably the greatest

516
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: sports story of all time. I mean, it's just amazing

517
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: what he's accomplashed, what he did and never gotten in trouble.

518
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: But two skips disrespect toward him. I do not like

519
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: it the way he's treating Shannon. Clearly, Hey, Tom Brady

520
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: is to go. We get that. You don't have to

521
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: like your man right like that. And but first of all,

522
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: just doing the Hall of Fame. He won three Super Bowls.

523
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: Nice chopped lever. He ain't chopped lever, but he is.

524
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: He's been rewarded so much that Yeah, the way he

525
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: has made his money and made his living, I have

526
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: a problem with it, because, man, if you make it

527
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: to the pros, you're a hell of a player. Period.

528
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: I tell people, hey, is everybody Lebron or k d No,

529
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: But that number twelve guy on an NBA team, his

530
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: journey is amazing. If you get to be one of

531
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: the best four hundred basketball players in the world and

532
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: less than less than five thousand to ever even playing

533
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: a game. And man, I love these guys. That's a

534
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: little stupid ball. It's given me every single thing in

535
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: my life. I ain't never had no real job and

536
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: don't want one, don't one. I I marre these dudes

537
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: who go men and women who work nine and five

538
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: and they're doing it for twenty seven thousand dollars a year.

539
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, I admire you, but I don't

540
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: want that ship. I want to drin but that little

541
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: tupid as ball up and down the court. I want

542
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: to stay in the four seasons in the risk card.

543
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: I want to travel the country. I tell these guys, man,

544
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: we're the luckiest dudes in the world. Whenever I get

545
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: ready to kill over, I just want to be able

546
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: to say thank you, big fella. I can't believe this.

547
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: I like man because of that little stupid ass ball

548
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't see in the world. I remember one time

549
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: I was sitting at the White House with President Obama.

550
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: I like, because I'm my hometown, I only got a

551
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: couple of thousand people. I'm from Leeds, Alabama. Shout out

552
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: to Leeds. A couple of thousand people and growing up

553
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: in the projects. I'm thinking, like, I ain't even thinking

554
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: about sports. I only started playing basketball because I want

555
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: to go to college for free. I never thought I

556
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: was gonna make it to the NBA. And I was

557
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: like sometimes when I go home and visit, I was like, man,

558
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I grew up in that project right over there, and

559
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, because of that little stupid ass ball, I'm like,

560
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Sixty years later and I was just

561
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at him, I'm like, Wow, this is crazy.

562
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: A little kid from Lee's Alabama's in the White House

563
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: and I got one of my most prized possessions is

564
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: I was laughing. He said, Chuck, you've been in the

565
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Oval Office. I said, oh yeah, we go there all

566
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: the time as the Mr. President. Hell No, I never

567
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: been office. And there's a picture he says, let me

568
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: show you the Oval Office. And you know he always

569
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: would a photographer, and I didn't even notice the photographer.

570
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, a month later, it's a

571
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: picture got on my wall. Cherish it. It's me and

572
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: him standing in the Oval Office. And I can say

573
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even notice that the photographer eating up his ass.

574
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: He's like standing back taking pictures with president and President

575
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Obama sent me this picture of me and him stead

576
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: and I remember getting a text from all my friends

577
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: telling me like, yo, man, we're so proud of you.

578
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell are you talking about. You're like,

579
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's a picture on on the internet that

580
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: you in President Obama in the Oval Office. I said,

581
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, and it came like a month

582
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: or two later, and when I got the picture, I'm like, damn, man,

583
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: this is so crazy and awesome. My little hometown seeing

584
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: me in the old Office with the President of United States,

585
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: a black president of the United States, but all the

586
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: recent bullshit that went on in Alabama, they're like a

587
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: black president, you and the Oval Office from a town,

588
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: a couple of thousands of people. It was amazing. It's amazing.

589
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Since you're speaking on leads, how difficult was it growing

590
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: up there, you know, doing the gym crow era and

591
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: all that. Why you was trying to figure yourself out

592
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: as a kid. You know, it's interesting. We didn't even

593
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: feel any of that, to be honest with you, because

594
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: it's so small. But now that I look back, jack

595
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Ship is crazy and you don't even know it because

596
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: your kids, we don't know because that's like we don't

597
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: even know we were poor, Like we don't even know

598
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: we were poor. Because but the ship is crazy now

599
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: that I think about it. Man, we had a black

600
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: and a white homecoming queen. Really yeah? Wow? Oh seriously

601
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: and the ship that's crazy. You're like, I guess they

602
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: didn't want no drama. They didn't want no drama you think.

603
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I can't prove it. But they're like, no,

604
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a black and a white homecoming queen.

605
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: What's crazy? Like, dude, we're taping this here in Atlanta.

606
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: It was a controversy like in the last couple of years. Well,

607
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: the kids wanted to, uh have a one problem, and

608
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: some of the parents like, hell no, I mean, so

609
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: racism exists, always has, always will and you just have

610
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: to deal with the BSS I call it. But like

611
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: these kids like, yeah, we don't want this ship anymore.

612
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna have one problem, and some of the parents

613
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: are like no, you know, and it was right here

614
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: in Georgia. They stuck in their ways, but so, uh,

615
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: but I a couple of things about leaves it was

616
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: a great place to grow up, even though all hell

617
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: was breaking loose in Birmingham. We're about twenty thirty minutes

618
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: from Birmingham. You know, we had the church bombing in Birmingham.

619
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Selma's right up the street. Montgomery's right up to a

620
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: couple of hours away. My grandmother told me about it later,

621
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: but we didn't know what I mean because we got

622
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: that Rabbity is on the on the TV, so you're

623
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: not really getting world view. But my grandmother the greatest

624
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: person ever in my life. She made me learn who

625
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela was. She made me learn who Dr King was.

626
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: She made me learn, make me learn who Mecca Evers is.

627
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: She was such a great woman. But the one thing

628
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: she always talked to me about was the race. She says, now, listen,

629
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: judge people, she said, because there are a lot of

630
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: great white people out here. She says, you don't grow

631
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: up believing it's us against them. She says, these white

632
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: people who in my life, they're amazing. And that was

633
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: really important, like because they are a lot of black

634
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: people who are full of ship, who like they're not

635
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: they're like they're black, but they they're not helping our

636
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: race and there are a lot of white people out

637
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: there who are helping our race. Asked what was really

638
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: cool for me? There's a great civil rights he wrote,

639
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: the CT Vivian who passed away in the last couple

640
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: of years. When I was doing my documentary on race

641
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: I did a few years ago, he says, not yours.

642
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: I want you to remember something. I know you're trying

643
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: to bring the races together. I want you to know

644
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: there's always been a lot of race people being racial together.

645
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: That's what do you mean, Mr bib And he says,

646
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about civil rights, we talked

647
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: about most majority of the black people, you know, Dr

648
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: King and those guys like that. Because I want you

649
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: to let you know that there was a lot of

650
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: great white people marching with us got killed and thinks,

651
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: I said, Mr Bivy, And I promise you I'll make

652
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: sure people know that. And that was really cool because

653
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: and our and our you know, you know, Jack, we

654
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: get and I'm part of the business too. We're in

655
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: the media business. Man. We get beat over the head

656
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: so much on negativity because what's really crazy negativity sales?

657
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: You know. I was me and Ernie were talking about

658
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: men earner have a podcast and I was we were

659
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: talking about Damar Hamlin and I said, man, I was

660
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: so touched by I think they've up about seven eight

661
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's close to And I said, man, there's

662
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: so many great people out here, but in our business,

663
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: we don't talk about the great people. We talk like, hey, hey,

664
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: get on TV and talk bad about your coach and

665
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: other players. We'll put you on TV. Like, but that's

666
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, that's the world we live in in the media.

667
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Like Prince Harry, I don't know this dude, like, yeah, trash,

668
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: your brother, trash, the King, trash, trash everybody, Like, yeah,

669
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna put you on every TV show. And I

670
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: don't know if he's trading the truth or not. I

671
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: don't judge that that's his truth. But I'm like, yeah,

672
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna talk bad about the future King of England,

673
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: talk bad about your dad, who's to King of England,

674
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: talk bad about your stepmother, like we're gonna put you.

675
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna put you on TV, on every network. You

676
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: can write a book. That's the world we live in now.

677
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't know this, dude, but we

678
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: don't talk enough about positive and we just yo, man,

679
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: white people, black people, all types of people gave this

680
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: dude close to ten million dollars, as you say, and

681
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: they don't know him, but that touched everybody. And I

682
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: wish that we would. I wish positivity to sell more

683
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: than negative. I said this all the time, like two things.

684
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: People tell you dank, you're giving, you giving back somebody,

685
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: But why are you posting it? But then again, if

686
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't post it, you say, I ain't doing nothing

687
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: for the community. Oh my god, you know what I'm saying.

688
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: It's it's like crazy if you're thirsty for it, but

689
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: if you don't post it, you ain't doing them. But

690
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: then again, it's like a lot of people don't understand. Man.

691
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: It's like we just had this conversation number one from

692
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: the first of all your hypers. Correct, I'm gonna tell

693
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: you why. So my goal I've been giving a million

694
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: dollars a year away to charity. So I started out

695
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: at my high school because I want the kids to

696
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: go to college, and then went to my college Auburn.

697
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: They're war egor brother. Then I did Wounded Warriors, But

698
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: the last eight years I did hbc U S and

699
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: I just did another one about two weeks ago, and

700
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Kenney says, Ernie, can you repeat that? He says, yeah, Chuck.

701
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: Chuck just gave another couple of million dollars to Jackson State.

702
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Um Jackson stayed in Bethune. Cookman ready shout out to

703
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: Reggy Theasters, the head coach there, and Kenne says, can

704
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: you repeat that again? Arni sas, yeah, Chuck, this gave

705
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: his eighth million dollars to hbc U. He says, Chuck,

706
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: why don't you tell people? I said, I want to

707
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: do it because it's I want to give back, he says.

708
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: He said, And that's the problem. Chuck does all this.

709
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: He don't tell anybody. I said, if I tell everybody,

710
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: gonna be like Chuck always bragging about how is money

711
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: to get a charity? So I don't tell anybody. Y. Yeah,

712
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: he's like he don't do ship for the Black Unit.

713
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, man, I'm not as I tell my daughter.

714
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: I said, let me tell you something. Don't you ever

715
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: get these idiots power over you? If somebody said, like,

716
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm going back way back when she's a young kid,

717
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: shout out to my little grandson just became a grandpa.

718
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: You know erning Clark Kellogg to the greatest people I've

719
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: ever known, said, man, being a grandpa gonna be the

720
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: greatest thing you ever happened to you. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, okay,

721
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like it's gonna be good. You know. I

722
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: called both of those guys as y'all right, man, this

723
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing you ever have to be in

724
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: my entire life. Shout out a little Henry. It's the

725
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: most amazing thing that's ever happened to Menumber want to

726
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: see my daughter as a grown person. Um. But the

727
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: point I was making was I told her if some

728
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: by it criticizes you, it's bad. Thanks to you. You

729
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: just keep walking, keep doing great in school, would be

730
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: a great person. Um. You already broke my heart and

731
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: we didn't play basketball. I like, dude, it was so crazy. Jack.

732
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: My daughter went to went to Villanova and Columbia. She's

733
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: a great person. She's a really nice person and a

734
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: great person. She's gonna be it. She's a great wife

735
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: and a great mom. Really proud of her. But I

736
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, man. So my daughter and she

737
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: was like two years old, she was like six ft tall,

738
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna have the best female basketball

739
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: player in the world. I can't wait to teach her ship.

740
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna send her to the best camps.

741
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with her during the summer. I'm all pumped.

742
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Six ft tall, full five six seven eight nine ten.

743
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, girl, be a teenager so I

744
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: can teach you all my ship. If I don't, she

745
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: become a teenager and say, hey, you're gonna are you ready?

746
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: We started playing. I don't think she liked basketball, like Christiana,

747
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: when those girls get close to you, pop them, dad,

748
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: I might hurt him. Yeah, that's the objective. I'm bigger

749
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: than they are. I'm like, yeah, that's an advantage. M h.

750
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, okay, hey, can we get together after

751
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: school today? Yeah? Of court, that where we're gonna talk about.

752
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: As you like basketball? Oh Dad, I don't like sports? Yeah, like,

753
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I don't like sports? Okay, okay,

754
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: just be a good person. I love you. You're the greatest.

755
00:43:53,640 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: I love you. Going a room like sports like Le's

756
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: kid ball. And after I cried, I got over it,

757
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: and I said, and I told my friends, as yo, man,

758
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: my daughter just crushed me today. She told me she

759
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: don't like sports, and I said, but you know what,

760
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: she's a great person. She's a straight a student and

761
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: proud of the woman she is. But man, I was like,

762
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: I spent my I'm you know, I'm right down notes

763
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: teaching her to jump, hook the up and under. I'm

764
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: gonna work with her on her footwork. She's like, oh, dad,

765
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't like sports. It was brutal. I got five girls,

766
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: and so I know the feeling. Um, you stay at

767
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: home for school Auburn, yes, Um, any other schools was

768
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: coming at you. So no, no, the thing is crazy

769
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: and you guys don't even know this. Man I grew.

770
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't even good at basketball. Girl spurt right. I

771
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: went from five ten and six five in one year,

772
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: So nobody e knewho the hell I was? Because they're like,

773
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm not on anybody's radar, and no schools are recruited me.

774
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm a five ten backup point guard. Yeah, I'm back

775
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: back up to I'm not even no good. I didn't

776
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: know good, and so then it's too late to get recruited.

777
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: So then only Alabama are to you, a b there's

778
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: recruited me because everybody's already signed. So I'm leaning towards

779
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: you because I'm really close to my mother and grandmother.

780
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, ladies, Thank y'all, love y'all, miss y'all.

781
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: So only three schools big schools are recruiting me, So

782
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: you a b in Birmingham, so it's right there. But

783
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: they make it to the sweet six team and they

784
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: got everybody coming back. Then Tuscaloosa is close. They actually

785
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: make it to the sweet six team and got everybody

786
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: coming back, and they signed the best big man in

787
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: the country who's from Alabama, a guy named Bibi Lee

788
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: Hurt and and it's Wiley. He was the best point

789
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: guard in the country. So then I go down to

790
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Auburn Ofbans lost like twelve games in a row, and

791
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking and I said, these motherfucker's are awful. So

792
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: me and the coach is sitting there and as a coach,

793
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: you gotta pin on you. You know, people bug me

794
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: saying hello, signed a couple of autographs, blah blah blah.

795
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: I just coach, you gotta pin on you. He says, Oh,

796
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: you're big time. You're gonna start signing autographs, and ship,

797
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm signed him here. He's what he says.

798
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: I'm watching our team play. These motherfucker's ain't no good.

799
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: I can play here. And it turned into the best

800
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: decision ever going to Auburn. But Jack, I tell these dudes,

801
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to players all the time. I said, listen,

802
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: don't talk to me about the education part, because if

803
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: you want to education, you're gonna get it. I said.

804
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Your number one criterias when you're deciding where you're gonna

805
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: go to college, it's playing time, I said, because if

806
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: you go, especially if you go, weigh some wear away.

807
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: If you don't get to play, it's gonna be a

808
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: miserable experience. Yeah, it's gonna be awful. Your school word's

809
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: gonna suck, but you're gonna be homesick because because what

810
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: people don't understand is, man, everybody can play in college.

811
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Everybody can play in college because when you're in high

812
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: school and you're a great player or a really good player,

813
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: you're only gonna play against five to ten players who

814
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: are on your level. But when you go to college,

815
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: everybody's on your level. Everybody's on your level. When you

816
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: go play Vanderbilt, like damn, they got good players. You

817
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: go Mississippi State, I go Jeff Malone, Killpatrick Wells, Dominique

818
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: had Georgia, James Banks, Burn, Flementary Fair, and those guys

819
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: Alabama had Bobbly Hurt Eddie Phillips. So the number one

820
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: criteria like, yo, man, you need to get to play.

821
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: So Auburn gave me a great opportunity to play, and

822
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: I got to play right away a freshman, and uh

823
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: it was three great years and I loved it. Any

824
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: good stories from Bow with Bow Jackson. Well, so we

825
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: had a great high school football team. You know, we

826
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: all you know, all the jocks hang out. So we

827
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: played bowls high school and Bows one of the three

828
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: athletes who the same size in high schools. He was

829
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: in compone. Yeah, he was a monster in high school. Yes,

830
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: Like everybody else gets bigger when they go to college,

831
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: he was there already bowl We're gonna play bowls high school.

832
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: And it was one of the most amazing things. Like

833
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: every time he touched the ball that he's just scored

834
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: or a broke, like a twenty yard run, and it's

835
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: like he's already bigger and faster than everybody else. Like

836
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: he's bigger than our defensive lineman. M he I mean,

837
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: but it was so beautiful to watch. And then he

838
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: comes to Auburn the next year, and I tell people

839
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: one of the one of the coolest things for me

840
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: was getting an opportunity to watch that dude play football

841
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: every Saturday in person. And we're great friends to this day.

842
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: But I just liked being with that dude. But man,

843
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: it was such a It was a pleasure and honor

844
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: to watch that dude play football every Saturday. That's talented. Man,

845
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Four you go in the draft, you go

846
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: number five, same draft with m J and the King.

847
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: What was the state of the league and eighty four

848
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: when you came in. You know, I spent the last

849
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: couple of days with Magic Johnson shooting the Capital one commercials,

850
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: and every time I see him, I tell them thank

851
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: you because Matti Johnson and Larry Bird are the two

852
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: most important figures in NBA history. Well, people don't understand.

853
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: To answer you a question, people look at this thing. Now,

854
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: what guys are making thirty four to fifty million dollars.

855
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: When I came in, it was David Stern's first year.

856
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: The average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Magic and Bird,

857
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: those guys changed the entire trajectory of the NBA and

858
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: made it what it is today because Magic and I

859
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: told him the story I said, And I'm playing with

860
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: Dr J. Moses. I remember the first time Magic when

861
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: he made a million dollars, we were going around high

862
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: five of each other. We couldn't believe an NBA player

863
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: made a million dollars. That was Magic. He was the

864
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: first player to make a million dollars. But here was that.

865
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: It was eighties, five eighty six somewhere in there, but

866
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: he sounds like it was five years, twenty five millions. Yeah,

867
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: and we like Moses like, I'm not talking about regular

868
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: guys on the team. I'm talking like they had never

869
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: made a million dollars before. And but it's all so

870
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: the state of the league was like too black, a

871
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: bunch of druggis, a bunch of thugs, gave the finals,

872
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: will tape the lad that was only one game a week.

873
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: And it's all because of Magic and Bird, who changed

874
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic of the league. So every time I

875
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: see those guys, they I want them to know, Man,

876
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: thank you. It took a kid from Leeds, Alabama to

877
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was there to build my mother

878
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: and grandmother house. I was able sitting all my nieces

879
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: nieces to college, my daughter to the best colleges. Because

880
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: one of the greatest travises of this country, the greatest

881
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: country in the world, is what we charged these kids

882
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: to go to school. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous and a choke

883
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: because what we do is we eliminate probably seventy eight

884
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: percent of kids who are probably smart enough. I don't

885
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: have the opportunity they they can't borrow that much money.

886
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my daughter loved going to Villanova,

887
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: loved it. She loved going to Columbia Grad school. There

888
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of kids who probably just as smart

889
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: as my daughter who got no chance of going to

890
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: Villanova or Colombia, but because of economics, they can't go

891
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: to those schools. So, man, I wish we could find

892
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: a way to do something about that really help. Very

893
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: rare for a top five pick to join a Staple team,

894
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: and you spoke to Moses is importance and Dr J

895
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: how important to those two guys, And right off the bat,

896
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: as soon as you landed in the league, Moses is

897
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: the best thing ever happened to me from a basketball standpoint. So, Maddie,

898
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: when I was in college, I played about right at

899
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: three pounds. My weight fluctuated between two ninety and three hundred.

900
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: I was, you know, that's only one meal. So so

901
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: I played. I played about basically to but I was

902
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: having success. I think even to this day, I'm the

903
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: only person. Guys didn't leave school early. You're you're only

904
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: left after your junior year in my day. So I

905
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: think to this day, I'm sure the only person to

906
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: lead to SEC and rebounding three straight years. So I

907
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: don't think anything wrong. Damn. Oh yeah, and Jack, I

908
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: don't think I'm doing because I'm having success. I don't

909
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: think I'm doing anything wrong. Like one of the hardest

910
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: things in life is when you're successful, to know if

911
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: you're doing anything wrong. So I'm leading the SEC and

912
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: rebounding as a freshman, I'm leaving the rebound uh sophomore

913
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: and as a junior, So I don't think that I'm

914
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. And I get picked number five by

915
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: the Sixers and ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah that's right,

916
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: but I'm not. Now I'm playing with real players. I

917
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: can't play at that weight. But don't know it. Just

918
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a rookie. Hey, rookie. They playing a time.

919
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm playing some minutes, but then I'm not getting no

920
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: quality minutes. And so Moses, me and Moses having lived

921
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: in the same building. Moses lived in the penthouse. I

922
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: live on like the sixth Lord, if I remember correctly.

923
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: And I said, Mo, can I come see you tonight?

924
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: And I said, he said sure, And I called him

925
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: Dad even to the day, and one of the most

926
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: bitter sweet things people his family knew how close to

927
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: where I got to speak it to due to eulogy

928
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: at his funeral. I love that dude. But so I

929
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: go up, that's a big mod. Why am I not

930
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: getting to play. He's a oh, young feller, you're fatting

931
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: your lazy playing it simple and like what he says,

932
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: you're fatting your lazy. He said, Charles, I can't play

933
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: a three pounds in the NBA, young fella. You're too

934
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: fat and too lazy. Can't work hard at three h

935
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: pound And UH put downstairs and cried and I gonna lie,

936
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and but he said, he says, you want to lose weight.

937
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: I come meet you. Before practice, I meet you have

938
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: to practice, and I said please, And this dude is

939
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: let's and he did it in a way. It's how

940
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: smart he was. He did in a way. He says,

941
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: let's lose ten pounds together. Yeah he know. He said,

942
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: let's lose ten pounds. He met me before practice, maybe

943
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: I have to practice. I get to two ninety and

944
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: I noticed, like even that ten pounds. I'm like, I

945
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: can work a little bit harder. He's okay, let's lose

946
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 1: ten more. I'm like, okay, I get to two eighties.

947
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: Now I'm actually getting to play. He says, let's lose

948
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: ten more. Now I'm at two seventy. Now I'm really

949
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: getting to play. It's not that I can work. I mean,

950
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: thirty pounds a lot. Get to two sixty now I'm starting.

951
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: Now I'm really can work. In my eyes out he says,

952
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: I want to try something. So he says, let's get

953
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: to two fifty. I'm like, okay, ship working. I'm good.

954
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: I get to two fifty. Now I'm really starting. Things

955
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: are really starting to take off. I actually got to

956
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: two forty. But I said, but I don't feel strong.

957
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: He said, two is your weight, but he was so smart.

958
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: If you ever told me to lose fifty pounds, like,

959
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: there's no fucking we can lose fifty pounds, There's no way.

960
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: And I lost the fifty pounds and the rest is history.

961
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: But for that guy taking me under his wing, first

962
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: of all, he was already one of the best to

963
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 1: ever do it. For him to take a little fat

964
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: kid under his wing, it changed my whole life. It

965
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: changed my whole life. So that's why, and that's why

966
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I called him Dad, and I just was really crazy.

967
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: I just saw him at the Hall of Fame Friday,

968
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: and as I always did, I gave him a hug

969
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: and told him I loved him, and we hung out

970
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: and had some fun at the Hall of Fame that Sunday. Well,

971
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: I had to fly to l A the next day

972
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: to shoot a Kirk commercial. I land in l A.

973
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: I got a hundred messages, Yo, man, you're all right,

974
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: You're all right. I'm calling to check on you. I

975
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: love you, and I'm scrolling like everybody's checking on me.

976
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? And then finally says man

977
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: called me. They had found him dead that that morning.

978
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: Because I've been on a plane for like five hours

979
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was so upset. I just

980
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: stayed in my room the whole day because I didn't

981
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: want to be friending anybody. We want shooting a commercial

982
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: to the next day, I was like, I stayed in

983
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: my room. I called my close friends, like the man,

984
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm so, this is such a fucked up situation. So

985
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: apparently he had he had went home to do his

986
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: regular charity golf tournament and he didn't show up and

987
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: they found him in his hotel room. So I guess

988
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: he died in his sleep. But man, when I got

989
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: when I was looking, when I got that call, man,

990
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: it was it was one of the worst days of

991
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: my life. But I thank him for taking his little

992
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: fat kid on his wing, because man, you guys know

993
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: y'all been around a long time. We've seen motherfucker's eat day.

994
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: We got the NBA. So man, moses he's the most

995
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: important person, you know. And Doc was great, great, he

996
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: taught me how to dress, he said, hey, because Doc

997
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: was always immaculate to this. Yeah, he's like, Chuck, this

998
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: is professional basketball. We don't dress you got you you

999
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,479
Speaker 1: can't be wearing warm up suits everywhere you go. He says,

1000
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: We're professionals, and he taught me how to dress. He

1001
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: taught me how to save my money, because he says, yo, man,

1002
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: how many cars you got? I got like six? He says,

1003
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: how many that can you drive? At the same time,

1004
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? He says, uh, why

1005
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: do you have six cards? And I couldn't get him

1006
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: a good answer. He said, Charles, everybody knows who the

1007
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: funk you are because you ain't got to He said,

1008
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: you ain't got to impress these people. Everybody knows you.

1009
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, he's his son. Take those cars back. You

1010
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: need one car if you want to, that's fine, but

1011
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: the mother one. Take him back. He's a son. This

1012
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: money gotta last you for the rest of your life.

1013
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: He says, I know you think you're gonna play basketball

1014
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: a long time. He's a basketball gonna be this shorter

1015
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: window of your life. He says, this money got to

1016
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: last you the rest of your life. And that was

1017
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: a great lesson. I tell these young guys, yo, man,

1018
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: you don't need but her met but says all the time,

1019
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: you don't need but one house in one car. If

1020
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: you want to splurge and get two cars, that's fine.

1021
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: But you don't need more than one house in one

1022
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: car this money. It's gotta ask you to rest your life.

1023
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: You don't know how long you're gonna live. And like

1024
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: I said, TV saved me because I would have been broke.

1025
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: Probably um because you know, we as black people, for

1026
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: some reason, we feel this need to take care of

1027
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: everybody in our family. And Grant Hills, mom, one of

1028
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: the greatest ladies I've ever met in my life, gave

1029
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: me the best advice and I'd never listened to it.

1030
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: We were at the Olympics, actually here in Atlanta, and

1031
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: Granted just signed that She's one of the greatest women.

1032
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: We just lost her. She's one of the greatest women

1033
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: I've ever met. And she was telling uh, me and

1034
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: her and Calvin and Grant, we're having dinner at the Olympics.

1035
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: And she says, yeah, me and Cavin gotta go back

1036
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: to work tomorrow. Said wait a minute, Grant your side,

1037
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: because I think Grant was the first person. Is a

1038
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars deal. That's a Grant your sign for

1039
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollar y'all gonna work? She said, sit

1040
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: your ass down. She says, let me tell you this,

1041
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: do not take care of your family and all your friends.

1042
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: Do not do that, you're gonna end up broke. But

1043
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, she said, it's worst than She said, it's

1044
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna ruin every relationship you've ever had. And I said,

1045
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: what do you mean? She says, Number one, if you

1046
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: start giving your family and friends money, they're never gonna stop. Never.

1047
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: But she said the worst thing. The first time you

1048
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: tell them no, they're gonna hate you. She says, if

1049
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: you've given them five million dollars, the first time you

1050
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: tell them no, they hate your ass forever. She was

1051
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: a correct And I said, well, first of all, it's

1052
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: too late. I'm taking care of everybody. And she says,

1053
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: if you can share my vision with these young black

1054
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: kids going forward, tell them they don't have to take

1055
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: care of their entire families and people in their neighborhood.

1056
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: That's no written law. If you want to do something

1057
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: nice for some somebody in your family, that's you, but

1058
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: you don't have no moral obligation to take care of

1059
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: them forever. And man, I tell all these young black kids, man,

1060
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: you don't have no moral like if you want to

1061
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: do something nice for your mom and dad and whatever,

1062
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: or your brothers and sister. Nothing wrong with that, but

1063
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: to have them on the payroll and all your friends

1064
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: on the payroll, that's crazy. There's a reason professional Please

1065
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: go bro, that's it. But but for some reason we

1066
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: feel just like, yeah, I gotta take care of everybody. No,

1067
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: you don't funk that ship straight up. Jack and I

1068
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: always talk, going back to your two vets early on

1069
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: the importance of having veterans in the locker room. I

1070
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: think the NBA is so young now. That is, if

1071
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: you can't play here, there's no use. And and we

1072
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: speak to for every reason you just spoken what they

1073
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: did for you. The importance of that's in the locker room.

1074
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: Even if they're not contributed on the court, they're contributing

1075
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: so much off the court. What are your thoughts on that?

1076
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: First of all, you are one. I've said that for

1077
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, every NBA team should have a

1078
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: Rdonna's hassle them or somebody like that. And I'm not

1079
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: even talking dollar and I'm even fund the basketball part

1080
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: that's gonna take care of itself. These dudes don't know that.

1081
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: First of all, we don't even know how to handle

1082
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: a checking account. Uh uh, you know, we need like

1083
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: the thing we just talked about, Like, yo, man, why

1084
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: you got ten guys with you all the time? Why

1085
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: are you taking care of Why? Why are they always

1086
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: with us? Yo? Man? Uh go buy some suits. I

1087
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: remember I tell you the story about Dr Jay, him

1088
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: and Maurice's cheeks and guys. And I'm a rookie. I'm

1089
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: still wearing warm ups everywhere. They take me shot today,

1090
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: what you're doing today? I'm like nothing, I'll get to

1091
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: hang out with to y'all. They're like, we're going shopping.

1092
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: They take me the boards store Boys is a famous

1093
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: clothing store in Philly. Like they're like, Chuck needs ten suits,

1094
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: ten sports coach and slacks. They fed me up and

1095
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror and said, my recent the guys

1096
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: are just sitting back there looking yeah, okay, that's nice.

1097
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: That's good. Bill comes. It's like thirty two thousand dollars.

1098
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: I guarantee you ain't no abody my mom, my dad,

1099
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: my grandmother, ain't nobody in my house. I ever made

1100
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand dollars a year. It's thirty two thousand

1101
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: dollars and pay the bill. A young fellow I called

1102
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: my agent. I'm like wow, I called my agents. Yo, man,

1103
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: I need thirty or two thousand dollars. They're like what

1104
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: I said, the vest took me shopping. They told me

1105
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm dressing like a college kid, so they bade me

1106
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: by like ten suits. Ten sports coach Jack Jackison slacks like, yeah,

1107
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: that's the right thing. But stuff like that. They're like,

1108
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, and at that time, we were flying commercials,

1109
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: so we're in the airport. But Doc and all those guys,

1110
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: they're always immaculate, but you are. And and you know,

1111
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: now they're getting to change the rule back. We're going

1112
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: back to drafting high school players. The high school player

1113
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell he's doing. You know, they

1114
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: like they don't know how to eat. Like now, the

1115
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: ship was funny in the day, and it was funny

1116
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: when I said on camera those two fish relais and

1117
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: large fry and die Cocate probably shouldn't been eating that

1118
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: ship probably should not have been eating it. Like, yo, man,

1119
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: go get a healthy meal, I would tell a young guy. Now,

1120
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: I know you can get the two fish relays in

1121
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: the large fried at Twell eighteen nineteen. That ship ain't

1122
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna have no effect upon you. But you need to

1123
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: learn good habits shared with your kids because you know,

1124
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, hey, you can share it

1125
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: like obviously I talked about earlier. Want of you know

1126
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: obesiitly diabetes. Those are big problems in the black community

1127
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: because we don't know how to eat. When you get

1128
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: in our position, like yo, man, teach how to eat.

1129
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: That's like um, I teach all my friends about credit cards.

1130
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: I remember in college capital one not not not a

1131
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: Capital one, but like you know, in college, they send

1132
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: you Master card and Visa Discovery cards yea, burn them out.

1133
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: And I remember me and all my teammates we go

1134
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: shopping like every weekend, and we'll be like high five

1135
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: of each other, like man, we get on these white

1136
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: folks ship, We're like we but behind ship. And then

1137
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: we were like, hey, man, we really getting up on

1138
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 1: these white folks. They're sending us credit cards blah blah blah.

1139
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: And then we paid the minimum. We go shopping every weekend.

1140
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: And then when I get to the NBA, my agent says,

1141
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: you got bills, we need to take care of us.

1142
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: You got BIB and he's just like he say, man,

1143
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: what all these bills you got? I said, man, we

1144
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: were getting over on those wife folks, we were buying

1145
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: all this ship. He says, are you serious right now?

1146
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: I says, what do you mean in myself? He says, so,

1147
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: y'all been buying all this ship, paying the minimum and

1148
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: keep buying ship. He's a son. You know how credit

1149
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: cards work. I says, yeah, you get him and you

1150
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: buy ship like son, you're only paying the interest. And

1151
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: he says, you see this thing you bought for two

1152
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. At the rate you're going, you're gonna be

1153
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: paying like two thousand dollars for it by the time

1154
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: you're done. And I remember, I said what He says, Yeah,

1155
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: that's how they get poor people. They get they give

1156
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: you a credit card, you pay the minimum, and you

1157
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: don't ever ever end up paying it off. But by

1158
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: the time you pay it off, you paid like three

1159
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: times what it originally costs. And I caused, you just

1160
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: gonna meet with all my college teammates. The man, we've

1161
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: been doing this ship the whole three years I've been

1162
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: in college and stuff like that, Like, you man, don't

1163
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: be you don't even know that, and you can teach

1164
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: that to your family. Yeah, so that's to go back

1165
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: to your point, like every NBA team should pay a

1166
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: veteran like, Hey, all our conversation the private, but I'm

1167
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: gonna teach you about life. Yeah, and and and and

1168
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: the thing is just like, yo, man, I know the

1169
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: game ain'two seven o'clock. I know you can stay out

1170
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: the three, four in the one and sleep all day.

1171
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: But they sleep ain't the same as a good nights sleep.

1172
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: Ship like that that a better tell you, like like

1173
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: doctor didn't tell me sometimes Hey man, we got a

1174
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: big game, go to bed. I'm like, well, hey, they

1175
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: sleep ain't the same as nice sleep, like best tell

1176
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: you ship like that. So man, I'm one hundred percent

1177
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: with you. Every team you have like a veteran liaison, like, hey,

1178
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: you can ask me anything. I'm not going and go

1179
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: wrapped to the team. I'm not a gonna rap, but

1180
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to listen to me. Still, I think

1181
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: stuff like that would be huge. It will be because

1182
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: not only just teaching them about life, but I had

1183
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: guys like Steve Smith Kevin Willis to teach me how

1184
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: to be a professional, especially a young kid I'm coming

1185
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: into I know it's a game, but no, you you

1186
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: used a job. Now you gotta be a professional. So

1187
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff helped me be be a better professional.

1188
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: So that definitely matters the league. Yeah, you and and

1189
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: the two guys you mentioned, two of the best guys

1190
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: I've ever been around. Two of the best guys I've

1191
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: ever been around. We recently had Magic on our show

1192
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: talking about the Dream Team, and uh, it was some

1193
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: crazy stories he had. Everybody got their own story. What

1194
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: went on? What's your take on on the on the

1195
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: Dream Team? It was crazy. It was incredible because it's like,

1196
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: you know how, like first of all, we all got

1197
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: tremendous egos. To be great, you gotta have an ego

1198
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: and with the perfect storm. So Magic was pissed because

1199
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: Scott had just locked him up in the finals, so

1200
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: he would wanted revenge. Michael Clyde Drexler kept insinuating that

1201
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: he was mad at he thought I'm just as good

1202
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: as Michael Gordon and Michael's like it was ballistic. So

1203
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: you got those two matchups. You got me and Karl Malone,

1204
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: who the we're the two best power forwards in the world,

1205
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: and we're like, motherfucker, we're the best too, but I'm

1206
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: the one. Then you got Patrick and David trying to

1207
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: prove who's the best set in the world. And it

1208
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: was like we are like no, I'm like I want

1209
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: you to note everybody was just like going at it

1210
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: like that, and it was so intense, and it was

1211
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: so much fun because we had respect, like Call Calls

1212
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, but like I wanted that motherfucker. No,

1213
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm the best motherfucking power for it in the world,

1214
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: and I get trying to prove it. You don't have

1215
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: John Stockton's and those guys and I don't have much

1216
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: Like yeah, we get to prove it every day, so

1217
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: you had that back drop. So every day it was

1218
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: like a game seven. I mean, it was so intense,

1219
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: but we still we're main friends after it was over.

1220
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: But man, our egos like like it was so it

1221
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,879
Speaker 1: was so much fun. But it was in the practices.

1222
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: I never I've never been my entire basketball life. I've

1223
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: never been thinking as intense as those practices because everybody

1224
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: wants to everybody has something to prove. But it was

1225
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: so much fun though. Man, it was awesome because the

1226
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: passing of the torch where it's kind of m Jay's

1227
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: was kind of coming on this Orman he was there

1228
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: is already there but he was already k it was

1229
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: his NBA. Uh, you know, he was already the man.

1230
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: But what that did was it took us worldwide and

1231
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: David Stern, who's a genius, you know, everybody like that

1232
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: made the NBA the a real international game. Because when

1233
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: you talk to guys like Dirt Navsky, Steve Nash that

1234
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: less Trump great players, they're like, that's our first. Tony Parker,

1235
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: He's like, that's the first time I really knew about

1236
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: NBA basketball, because you know, at that time, like you know,

1237
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm so old. People don't understand. People think basketball always

1238
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: been on television. That used to be one game a

1239
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 1: week on NBC. There was no ESPN, there was no TNT.

1240
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: So most people in ore my generation, they don't. They

1241
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: don't it couldn't get games overseas and things like that.

1242
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: All those guys when you talk to him, it's like

1243
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: the NBA that was my first recollection of NBA basketball,

1244
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: what's the dream Team? And so but it was so crazy, man.

1245
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: I get an example, So in our hotel, you couldn't

1246
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: get in unless you were on the Dream Team or

1247
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: NBA or part of the Olympic thing. So from here

1248
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: to that wall, what's the bus. That was three to

1249
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: five thousand people standard up every day just to watch

1250
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: us get on the bus, screaming the Hoarcelona, Barcelona, Barcelona. Yeah.

1251
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean like they could only see us, like to

1252
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: walk to the bus. It was like three to five

1253
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: thousand people out there every single day along the highway

1254
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: because we had this is not crazy on the side

1255
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: of the bus. We had a cop with on on

1256
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: front and a guy with a machine gun on east

1257
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: side of the US. We had three police cars in front,

1258
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: three police cars in the back, and a helicopter of

1259
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: us the whole time, so people knew we were coming

1260
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: along the highway. There must have been thousands of people

1261
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: just standing on the side of the highway just holding

1262
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: up signs. It was the craziest thing. Like we're driving

1263
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: there's people on the highway holding up Magic Bird Jordan's signs.

1264
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was surreal. I mean it

1265
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: was like and we were kind of in shock, to

1266
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because we didn't know how big

1267
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: it was going to be. I mean, we knew it

1268
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: was gonna be something, but to see it live, like, yo, man,

1269
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: there's three thousand people standing outside of the hotel just

1270
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: to get a glimpse of us. I mean, obviously Magic

1271
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: Bird and Michael were the three guys. But like we

1272
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: were in the flow. If I'm not mistaken, you let

1273
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: that team is going though, didn't you? I let it?

1274
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: And rebounding it was easy though. It was easy though,

1275
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: basketball man, basketball was so easy to me. I got

1276
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: the best compliment ever from Chuck Daily. He pulled me

1277
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,879
Speaker 1: aside one day. He says, you're the second best basketball

1278
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: player in the world. I said, who beat me? And

1279
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: I started laughing. We both start laughing because obviously Michael

1280
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: watch it. He says, I can get an appreciation watching

1281
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: you play every day. I said, Coach, let me just

1282
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: tell you this. I said, I'm a really good player.

1283
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: I can get your thirty I can get the twenty rebounds.

1284
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: I said. It's hard to do it when the whole

1285
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: defense is stocked against you when you're playing in the

1286
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: NBA game. But when I'm playing with these dudes, this

1287
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: ship is easy as I can score any time I

1288
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: want to. I can get a rebound any time I

1289
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: want to, I said. I said, I said this like

1290
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 1: when I got traded to Phoenix, when I got m

1291
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: v P, I said, man, I've been a great player.

1292
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: I just got help now as I got Dan Marlon

1293
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson. I said, but I was a much better

1294
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: player in Philly. I just didn't have no help, I said.

1295
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: Put my first year in in Phoenix. I said, wait,

1296
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: y'all giving me Dan Marley and Kevin Johnson and said

1297
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: to Bollos, oh, yeah, we're good. I mean we're good

1298
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: and uh so, but so it was. It was if

1299
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: you're a great player of the game is easier with

1300
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: the better players you play with. Round mound, the rebound,

1301
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: the nickname. So if you go back and look at

1302
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: my history. So we were trying to drum up support

1303
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: uh at Auburn because you know we're a football school.

1304
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: So they came to me and says, hey, do you

1305
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: mind because they were gonna do a story on me

1306
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated. Uh, And I said, whatever, y'all do,

1307
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: whatever helped the program, because I need some help. I

1308
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: need some We ain't no good, I need some help.

1309
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: And um. They made a list of like Chrisco kids,

1310
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: the wild from Leeds Kid while he was a ball

1311
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: headed out, Chriscoe Gross, Chrisco cooking, oil cooking. I never

1312
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: had what it had to do with no just just

1313
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: just something to do with food. See, you don't know

1314
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: they thinking about that big as Chrisco kid, Chilo from Leeds,

1315
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: from Leeds, Brad Truck, Um, the good time blem uh,

1316
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 1: the round mount of rebound. So they had they helped

1317
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: the bread truck. Now all that money you getting. So

1318
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: they had a list because I said, I remember doing

1319
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: something on camera one time. There was about ten of

1320
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: them total of nicknames they have for me, And I think, uh,

1321
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: Brad Truck, I was bred Truck for a minute and

1322
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: then but I think by the end of my sophomore year,

1323
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: I was leading the league and rebound again. I think

1324
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: that's when it switched to a round mount of rebound.

1325
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: But man, it was like they were doing anything to

1326
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: drum up support. Yeah, I was good. Yeah, that was

1327
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: stuck with you. Don't round mount with you. Obviously you

1328
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: spoke to being going to Phoenix. You traded to Phoenix

1329
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: UM after the Olympics. What was that first experience, Like,

1330
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell people I got a chance to

1331
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: play for one here, but I loved Phoenix Scottsdale area.

1332
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: What was obviously the team was great, but what was

1333
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: that experience for you for the first time being out

1334
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: of Philly. As far as the professional goes, it was

1335
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: great for the fact, you know when when when we

1336
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: play an NBA game, you just go to the city

1337
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, know that for like twelve hours, right

1338
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: about it. So I never really spending the quality of

1339
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: time in Phoenix. You fly in, you play. You might

1340
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: get to there the day before and you know you've

1341
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: got stuff to do. You play, then you leave, or

1342
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: you're flying after lady after game of the city, you play,

1343
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: sleep all day, played and go. When I got traded

1344
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: them like yeah, man, it's December and we're walking around

1345
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: in shorts, Like damn, we don't have to be cold

1346
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: all the time. He's colder ship too. Once you get

1347
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: cold and pheel it it's cold and hold, you're like, no,

1348
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: let's don't do ship. It's cold outside. I'm like, Phoenix,

1349
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: hey man, it's nice. Let's gonna play golf. It's December,

1350
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: it's seveny degrees. Let's do this. And we got the

1351
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: best record in the NBA, and we had a couple

1352
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 1: of pivotal moments. We get off to a slow start.

1353
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: The Bulls we picked the go So I tell these

1354
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: guys us I'm with the owner and team. I said, Okay,

1355
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: this is the deal. We're going to the finals. I said,

1356
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: I think I'm the best basketball player in the world.

1357
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: We're going We're going to the finals. The beginning of

1358
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: the season. Yes, we're gonna play the Bulls for the championship.

1359
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: And I says, I think I'm the best player in

1360
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: the world. Michael just got more help, and this is

1361
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: the deal. I don't need no bullshit. We're going to

1362
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: the finals. Nobody, We're gonna get there. So we get

1363
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: off to a pretty good start and I know Michael.

1364
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: They're hyping the game up. Best team in the East,

1365
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: best team in the West. They come in and I

1366
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: know Michael, Well, they stump us. I go ballistic. I said, hey, man,

1367
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: I fucking told y'all what we're gonna do. That motherfucker

1368
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: came here. He sent me a message, and we didn't

1369
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: meet the challenge. I said, we are working for the

1370
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: job we got. We're working for the job we're gonna have.

1371
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: We gonna have to get better and quit fucking around.

1372
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,560
Speaker 1: I said, we're not on their level right now. And

1373
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: that was the first turning point in our season, and

1374
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: we went on a long winning streak and we got

1375
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: it together and we uh finished with the best record

1376
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: in the NBA first round. Out of the playoffs, Kevin

1377
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: gets hurt. No number one seed as ever lost. We're

1378
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: gonna be the first we play the Lakers. Kevin's hurt.

1379
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: We lose the first two games at home this best

1380
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: of five. After the game, we devastated, I'm like, damn,

1381
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm in Trump, but right now I gotta figure something out.

1382
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: Our coach, Paul Westfall just passed away. Rest in peace.

1383
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that. I'm sitting in my locker. I'm like,

1384
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: what the hell am I gonna do. I gotta get

1385
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: this team ready. We're going to l A tomorrow. I'm thinking,

1386
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: like what I'm gonna do. The mother rest towards me,

1387
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: like twenty of them. Just did you hear what your

1388
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: coach said? I said, No, I didn't. I was It's

1389
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: just like your coach said, guys, I'm not gonna say

1390
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: much tonight. They kicked our ass twice. That's what's gonna happen.

1391
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to l A, win game three. You're

1392
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna go game go to l A. We're gonna stay

1393
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: there and win Game four. They're gonna come back here.

1394
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick the ass in game five, and we're

1395
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: gonna say what a hell of a series it was.

1396
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: And I says, oh, well, coach is right, let's go.

1397
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: I say co said it, and I gotta tell you something.

1398
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what Coach was doing, but it changed.

1399
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: The light came on in the locker room and I

1400
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: didn't even have to ask no question about us choking

1401
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: the first two games. In the five games, he said,

1402
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,640
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys gonna be the first number. Want

1403
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: to see you to ever lose to the eighth seed.

1404
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: And man, we went to l A for game three.

1405
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's had Randon Newman. We love l A. The

1406
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: crowd going crazy. We we played great. We actually beat

1407
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: him in game four. Bad come on for game five.

1408
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: It's a dog fight and James Worthy comes up to

1409
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: me out the game. He says, now, you better go

1410
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: win this thing. He said, young, He says, y'all showed

1411
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: me something. Go win this thing. The next round we

1412
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: play San Antonio. We beat them in six. I think

1413
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: that's when I hit the the shot that closed down

1414
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: the arena, that dumpy as arena. Y'all head down there. Yeah,

1415
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: no Hemisphere. That was the last game ever played there,

1416
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: and that really was the and one because he knocked

1417
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: you down on that three. Yeah. And then we play Seattle.

1418
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Probably the best seven games chairs I've ever been in,

1419
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: the best game I ever played in my life. Game

1420
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: seven when I had four to four and twenty four,

1421
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: best game I've ever played in my life. I remember this.

1422
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: It was a great series. We win one and two,

1423
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: they win three and four, We win five, they win six.

1424
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: And I pulled Frank Johnson aside. He was like my

1425
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: vet to talk to the young guys. I said, hey, man,

1426
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: because everybody's quiet on the plane. That's long as flight

1427
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: from Seattle, I said, Frank, get back here. I need

1428
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: to talk to you. I said, what I gotta do.

1429
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: Everybody's down, everybody's nervous. Everybody's nervous, game self, not scared,

1430
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: just nervous. It's hyper. It's a long forty for those

1431
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: games seven, for getting ready. And I said, Frank, I

1432
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 1: gotta get this team and mostly ready for a game seven.

1433
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: What do I need to do? He says, Oh, I

1434
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 1: ain't worry. We got game seven. I said, what do

1435
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: you mean? He says, let me ask you a question,

1436
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: you have been to the finals. I said, nope. He says,

1437
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: I got the best fucking basketball player in the world

1438
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: on my team, and we we're gonna. We're gonna. You

1439
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let us lose Game seven. And I says,

1440
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: what he says, Charles, you told me you were the

1441
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: best basketball player in the world. You got one game

1442
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: to get to the finals. You ain't never been to

1443
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: the finals. He says, you better not let us lose.

1444
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: I said, we're good. And I said, before Game seven,

1445
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I said, boys, we're going to the finals. Get on,

1446
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: let's go. Get on my back. We're going, and that

1447
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: I end up playing the best game and I did.

1448
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: I said, we're going to the finals. Y'all, get on

1449
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: my fucking back. We're going, and we get to the finals.

1450
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: So game one, that's probably the most disappointed I've been

1451
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 1: in myself as a player. So we're playing the bulls

1452
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: game one, and you guys both been in the finals.

1453
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: It's different than the regular season. Different the playoffs. Every

1454
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: motherfucking the world is there. It's a bill. So we

1455
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 1: come out for Game one and my team is the

1456
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: way I normally did it was. I normally tried to

1457
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: get everybody involved in game one to get at home.

1458
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm more aggressive on the road, because you know that's

1459
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: what stars do. They're more aggressive on the road. So

1460
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Game one was like, I need to get these guys

1461
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: started so they can get their confidence. Everybody's a little nervous.

1462
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: I'm not nervous, but these other guys have never been

1463
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: in high pressioure situation like that. So Game one I

1464
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: was like, I was a little passive. They beat us.

1465
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: Game two, I said, fuck this ship, I'm going for it,

1466
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm whatever it takes, and I come

1467
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,799
Speaker 1: out I'm sucking so aggressive. But Michael, no, I'm sucking aggressive.

1468
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: He's like he I can see he's talking to Horace

1469
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: and Scotty like y'all got slow that motherfucker down. Because

1470
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: Hardest to me was one of the more underrated players,

1471
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 1: him and Scotty Man. When they doubled me, I couldn't

1472
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: see shit. They was so long and athletic. I couldn't

1473
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: see ship. But I still and I finished with like

1474
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 1: forty nine somewhere in there, twenty six something like that.

1475
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 1: But Michael fucking had like fifty five. That motherfucker would

1476
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: not let me win that game, and I remember, yeah,

1477
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: I remember going home. When I got home, my daughter

1478
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: was upset and I said, I told her I had

1479
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: told her before. I said, ain't nobody in the world

1480
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: better at basketball than your dad, and we're gonna win

1481
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: this fucking series. When I got home, she was crying

1482
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, she's dad, I thought you told

1483
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: me you were gonna win, I said, I said, Christiana,

1484
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,799
Speaker 1: I ain't never said this before. I think there's somebody

1485
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: better at basketball than me, you know, because you know

1486
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 1: it's it's Michael and Larry and Magic. I said. I

1487
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: loved that those guys are all great, But I said,

1488
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: the great because he has Kareem, he has James Worthy,

1489
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Michael got Horrors and Scotty and Bergot mckill and pass.

1490
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I said, I know, I'm just as good as those motherfuckers,

1491
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: but they just had more help. But I said, but

1492
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: going back to the forty twenty game four games, I

1493
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: was like, I can wield my team to win. But Michael,

1494
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,440
Speaker 1: when I that night, when I was like, this motherfucker

1495
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let me win this thing, like I said,

1496
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: like I said, I had my forty something and he

1497
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 1: had so then so I said Hey, you know your dad,

1498
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: he ain't never gonna quit or give up. We're gonna

1499
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: be all right. So we go to Chicago and that's

1500
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: the triple overtime game. We win, and I'm like, okay,

1501
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: I might can do this thing. The next game, this

1502
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: motherfucker goes okay, so this uh no. So the next game,

1503
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: I think he had another fifty five. He was gonna

1504
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: end this ship. He was gonna end this ship, and

1505
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: they beat us. It was a hell of a game.

1506
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: Then before came five, Like, guys, we're gonna be all right.

1507
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: So before the all day long, you know you don't

1508
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: do ship. You can't go out best on the road.

1509
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Is there back and forth between you and m J?

1510
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Off the court? This time we put our friendship. So

1511
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: then all day on TV, these motherfucker's on TV boarding

1512
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: up the city telling people to calm down. They win

1513
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 1: the championship. No no fires, yeo. Man. By time we

1514
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: got to the gym, I said, hey, man, ain't no

1515
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: fucking way we're losing this bitch tonight, because you know

1516
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there steaming the whole day. Every channel you

1517
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: try to get away from that ship. Hey, we're boiling

1518
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 1: up to say, uh, this weekend, the championship routs gonna

1519
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: be here. What y'all please behave That's when it was

1520
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: two three too, right, there was at three in Chicago.

1521
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: The game five was in Chicago, and by the time

1522
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: we got to the game, I said, again a coach,

1523
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: let me speak all that played the Montherucker's five times

1524
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: ain't no X and right now, I said, guys, we

1525
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: cannot lose this game. That ship they were doing on

1526
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: TV today was so fucking disrespectful and pissed us off.

1527
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: And we won that game, and then uh, obviously we

1528
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: lost it back at home in Game six on the

1529
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: three pointer. But man, when I got the game five,

1530
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: I was like, ain't no fucking wait. Were losing, guys,

1531
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: because we sit there and watch that thing and talking

1532
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: about they were building up the city, talking about act

1533
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: like y'all got some common sense and don't be going

1534
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: crazy burning up cars and ship like y'all did the

1535
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: last time they won the championship. So I was but man,

1536
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I missed that m v P that

1537
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,560
Speaker 1: season but lost in the finals. We recently talked to

1538
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Magic about um, you know, his back and forth with

1539
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: Isaiah and and Isaiah's and MJ's beef or whatever that

1540
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: may be. Um, you and m J were really close

1541
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: and haven't spoke in some time. Is there is there

1542
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 1: a light at the end of the tunnel with that?

1543
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you guys commend that that would

1544
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: be on his end? Matt Um, he was my best

1545
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 1: friend at the time, and I love the guy and

1546
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: I missed the guy, but you know, I gotta do

1547
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: my job. What I said was, I said, first of all,

1548
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair for me to critique other

1549
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: gms and coaches and have a double stick that goes

1550
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: back to the skilled Baylis thing like you can tell

1551
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: the guys he liked and guys who just like I

1552
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,799
Speaker 1: think I'm fair to everybody. What I said about Michael,

1553
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know if he's ever going to

1554
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: be successful because of the people around him. I think

1555
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: he hires two many of his friends. Uh. And because

1556
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: your friend don't ever tell you. Know, the hardest thing

1557
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: about being famous is because you're paying all the bills,

1558
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 1: they're on your private yet I'm not gonna tell you

1559
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: when you're doing something wrong. And I said that I

1560
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: didn't because he was struggling as a general manager, a

1561
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: running the team, and I said, I don't know if

1562
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: he's ever gonna be successful. Gout the people around him.

1563
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna tell him no, and like, yeah, don't

1564
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: draft that dude, We need to trade that dude. Blah

1565
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: blah blah. And he went ballistic and he called me

1566
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 1: and that's the last thing I heard was motherfucker, fuck you.

1567
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be my boy and blah blah. And

1568
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: I said, man, I gotta do my job. And we

1569
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: haven't spoken since that night, and that was probably close

1570
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: to ten years ago. But I kind of agree with

1571
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: that because you know, they traded me after to the

1572
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: playoffs for the first time. Yeah, they do make some

1573
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: bad decisions over there. Uh so after the finals, you

1574
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: launched your signature shoe. Uh leads Alabama. Did you ever

1575
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: think that you would have your own Nike shoe? You know,

1576
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: my relationship with Nike has been amazing. Big Great Hawad White,

1577
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: Lynn Merritt, Phil Knight. Those are three of the most

1578
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: important people in my basketball career. When was your first

1579
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: signature shoe? I think I started getting them back in Philly.

1580
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Uh did you have a signature shot? Oh? Yeah, So

1581
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: look what I'm saying that I want to tell him

1582
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 1: the story. So my high school state championship, My my

1583
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: family's poor. King for in the shoes we get there.

1584
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: My shoes are from the team, but I've been playing

1585
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: in tomorrow. Yes, so they raggedy. I'm talking about. I

1586
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: know how you're tonils cut through lett and my shoes. Yeah,

1587
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: and my uncle shows up. They wouldn't let him back,

1588
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: but he shows up in the back, like for the

1589
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: locker room. So when my teammates come give me and

1590
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: he got a boxing shoes, I'm not knowing what it is.

1591
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: I opened the box. It was the black and Great

1592
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: Charles Bark my goodness, and yeah, them five fives. I

1593
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: played in the state championship and them ships and fresh path.

1594
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: Now we won, we won, but just to have a freend,

1595
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: you know, had a fresh path, and I want them

1596
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: about three years straight after, you know, you talk about

1597
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: that situation. So obviously grew up really, really poor. So

1598
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: my mom rest in peace. She always made sure I

1599
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:38,600
Speaker 1: had a good pair of shoes. She bought him to

1600
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: the game, She took him right after. And hey at

1601
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 1: the game, she's knocking on the door, tell ya to

1602
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: bring them shoes. Here. I didn't get them. I couldn't

1603
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: wear I can only where them. She brought him to

1604
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: the game, came, you got the after the game, and

1605
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: because they had to last me the whole season and

1606
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: once it seems over, I could use them. But you

1607
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: talk about on up poor and getting shoes and things

1608
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,640
Speaker 1: like that. It's so crazy that ship that's happening that

1609
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: you think you think about how lives have changed so much.

1610
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting there thinking, like I tell that story, like, yeah,

1611
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: my mom used to bring my shoes to the game,

1612
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: like they had to last the whole season, and you

1613
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 1: came and got them right out of the game, and

1614
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 1: I didn't get them back until So man, some of

1615
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: this stuff you think about our lives. Now I'm sponsored

1616
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: by Jordan. Now, it's so crazy, isn't it. I Mean,

1617
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 1: it's just a crazy blessings, blessing, blessings I tell people

1618
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: all the time. Man, I got to honor and the

1619
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: privilege to be Charles Barkley. It's such a blessing. So

1620
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: the Fab Five, obviously one of the greatest college teams ever,

1621
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: decided to wear your shoe and and continue to kind

1622
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: of really entrenching in the culture. What are you thinking

1623
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: as you're seeing you know, these young black kids in

1624
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Michigan and their new style and they're wearing your shoes

1625
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 1: on top of it. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's

1626
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's crazy. They were such it for Imna,

1627
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: they were such you know. It's kind of like I

1628
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 1: get to watch marsh Maddness now. I used to watch

1629
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: it a lot when I played because it's just great.

1630
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: And now I get to broadcast March Madness. And I

1631
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: tell people everybody should go to the Final four at

1632
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: one time in their life. There's two things you should

1633
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: do in your life if you like sports. Foundal four

1634
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: Saturday and the Olympics. Uh my job at the Final

1635
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: four is one of the craziest, coolest things I've ever

1636
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to do. But also the Olympics. Man, No,

1637
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: TV doesn't do the Olympics justice. You go to the

1638
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,799
Speaker 1: Olympics into the Final four. But to see those young kids,

1639
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, man, what they accomplished will probably never be

1640
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: accomplished again. To to get to the finals two years,

1641
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 1: to the Final four two years in a row with

1642
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: the same group of freshmen and sound boys, I mean

1643
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I mean, well obviously not because you know,

1644
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 1: kids leaving so early, it will never be done again.

1645
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: But it was incredible. Your famous line I'm not a

1646
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: role model came around that time. Speak to that probably

1647
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: the most important thing I've done. Uh Donna did on

1648
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: that l elo eloquent enough verbally all the time. So

1649
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 1: that was a big deal for me. So you know,

1650
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: you know, part of our job we get to speak

1651
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: to kids a lot. So we still have too many

1652
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: segregated schools in this country, So especially in Philly, we

1653
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: speak at a lot of different like and I think

1654
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: players should always at least probably maybe even once a

1655
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 1: week go speak out of school because these young black

1656
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: kids especially look up to us and so, but what

1657
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 1: I was noticing was when I was going to speak

1658
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to it, but as I always talk to kids about education,

1659
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: because one thing we need to value more, especially in

1660
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,719
Speaker 1: black community, is education. I think we get so enamorous

1661
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: because most of the famous black people that know are

1662
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: rich because of sports, have been tainment. They don't realize

1663
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: that most people have to get a real job. So

1664
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,799
Speaker 1: my thing is, when I was going to these schools,

1665
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 1: I said, well, how many of y'all want to play sports.

1666
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: And I noticed at the black schools pretty much every

1667
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: kid raised their hands, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.

1668
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: When I go to a white school, I said, well,

1669
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: how many of y'all want to play sports? Only about

1670
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 1: ten percent raise their hand. I said, what do you

1671
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 1: want to do? I want to be a doctor. I

1672
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:29,879
Speaker 1: want to be a lawyer. I want to be an engineer.

1673
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: I want to be a teacher of firing police and

1674
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: things like that. So I kind of start paying attention

1675
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 1: for like a couple of years. I said, guys, um,

1676
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 1: we got too many black kids think they can only

1677
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: be uh successful through athletics and entertainment. They don't think

1678
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: they can be doctors and lawyers and engineers and ship

1679
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 1: like that. And I said, we need to do something

1680
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: about that. And so I call I meet with Nike.

1681
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: I said, I got this commercial I want to make.

1682
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 1: They're like you're fucking nuts. They're like you're fucking nuts,

1683
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I says it says you're gonna

1684
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 1: get killed. I said, that's fine, I can handle it.

1685
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: I dude, I play in fucking Philly. I thought my

1686
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: name was Charles Barkley, your motherfucker For like five years

1687
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I'm not gonna be offended or upset by

1688
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: anything like that. And he says, are you sure? I says,

1689
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm positive. So I made the commercial. Obviously it blew

1690
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: up and craziness, and I said, and I went on

1691
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: explain what I was trying to do, and it turned

1692
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: into a real positive thing. And in fairness to Nike,

1693
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 1: they came to back to me late and says, hey,

1694
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 1: we were wrong. We let us We got was so

1695
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 1: positive on that commercial. And I said, all I was

1696
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: doing was trying to start a debat because I've got

1697
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: to get these black kids to top thinking they can

1698
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: only play sports to be successful. And like I said,

1699
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:58,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted to start like a debate and it

1700
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: turned it turned out to be perfect because I'm forty,

1701
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 1: I'll be forty five and April your role model to me.

1702
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: You'll appreciate it at But but I think these young brothers,

1703
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: man and sisters like we can be doctors and lawyers

1704
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: and engineers anything. But but they don't think that. They

1705
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: don't think that because they don't see it. They don't

1706
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: see that. The only famous they see how much money

1707
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: we make, and they see us jocks and entertainers like

1708
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: y'all do know we got black doctors, right, we got

1709
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: black largers, we got black engineers, judges, but they're not

1710
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 1: They're not in their neighborhood, right. Yeah, I got to

1711
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 1: see it to believe it. Um on your way out

1712
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: the league, you get a chance to go to Houston

1713
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 1: and play with Clyde and the King. What was it

1714
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: like playing with those two? That was very difficult for

1715
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: me to be honest with you, because I was I

1716
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: really didn't want to leave Phoenix. So the Rockets called

1717
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: me on the phone. One of my friends worked in

1718
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: the front office, Robert Barr worked for the Rockets, and

1719
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: he says, hey, man, if we trade for you, are

1720
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: you gonna want a new contract? I'm like, man, what

1721
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:10,160
Speaker 1: the funk a you're talking about? He says, the Suns

1722
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: are shopping you. I said, Suns ain't shopping me. I'm

1723
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: on the player we got and I said, dude, the

1724
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,560
Speaker 1: Suns are not shopping me. He said, Chuck, let me

1725
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 1: ask you a question. If we trade for you, you

1726
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 1: want a new contract. I said, dude, I got a contract.

1727
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,799
Speaker 1: He said, are you gonna hold out for a new contract?

1728
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I said, dude, stop at the Sun and he's a

1729
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, he says. I says, I called

1730
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: the Sons. I said, hey, man, are y'all shopping? Me? Like, no, man,

1731
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 1: you're the only player we got. Blah blah blah blah blah.

1732
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm like okay. Three hours later, Charles, are you gonna

1733
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 1: want a new contract? And we trade for you? I said, yo, man.

1734
01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 1: I talked to the Sun's and nothing going on. Charles.

1735
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually this for the last. Are you gonna hold

1736
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: out or anything? If we make the trade? I'm like, yo, man, no,

1737
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 1: because at that point I knew they were full of ship.

1738
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:22,600
Speaker 1: The signs were and they made the trade and I

1739
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: had to make the best of it. Uh. I enjoyed

1740
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,560
Speaker 1: playing with the King and Clyde. I hate that we

1741
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 1: were all over the hill and we had two good years. Well,

1742
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: we lost. I think we lost in the conference finals

1743
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: one year. I got hurt. One year, I got hurt

1744
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: one year and then we lost in the conference finals.

1745
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:44,719
Speaker 1: And I always want to thank Rudy tom Janovic because

1746
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: my last two years I couldn't play dead. He treated

1747
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: me great, He treated me great. The time. I just

1748
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,640
Speaker 1: couldn't jump anymore. I was old, I was but he

1749
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: treated me great, and I went to him as a coach.

1750
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: Can I come off the bench? He says, you sure?

1751
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not sure. I'm looking positive because and

1752
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 1: but I couldn't play, but they treated me great, which

1753
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: is all you want as a player because I was winding.

1754
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:16,600
Speaker 1: It was the end of my career anyway. Uh. And

1755
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna leave no money on the table to y'all. Y'all,

1756
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say lead to my last two years.

1757
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: I said, I can't play, but I'm I'm gonna finish

1758
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: these next two years out. And uh, but I really

1759
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: appreciated Rudy and the Rockets treating me with class. Yeah.

1760
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: It gave that championship field back to Houston when you came.

1761
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 1: Even though y'all didn't win, like it was, it was

1762
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: good times, you know. I enjoyed the city to Yeah,

1763
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was a good time there. What are

1764
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: your biggest observations of this season so far? Home stretch

1765
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: almost done. It's awful basketball. I hate to be the

1766
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: old get all my long, dudes, which it's awful basketball. Defense,

1767
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: no defense, and it's become a three point shooting contest.

1768
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: And the only thing that balls mean. People like, oh,

1769
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 1: you're just mad because you didn't play. I said, no, no, no, no,

1770
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: there's strategy and basketball. Uh to just go to the

1771
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: gym saying we're just gonna jack up threes all night

1772
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: and if we make them, we win. If we're miss them,

1773
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: we lose. And the only thing that bossman I said, Hey, all,

1774
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 1: your motherfucker's can't be good three point shooters, right, I said,

1775
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if you're a good three point shooting all,

1776
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: y'all mothercker's ain't stuff. And Clay I says, I don't

1777
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 1: mind guys shooting threes, but you're big guys the shooting

1778
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: threes now, I says, if y'all just gonna have three

1779
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 1: point shooting contest, just say it. I said, the big

1780
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 1: guys don't post up anymore. Joel and be is the

1781
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: best big man up there with Joker, I said, the

1782
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 1: only two guys who post up realistically. I said, but

1783
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I said, hey, uh, y'all play how you

1784
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: want to. But if y'all just gonna go out and

1785
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: shoot threes all night, but that's fine, I will tell

1786
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: you this. I said this the other night on the show.

1787
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: I got zero. I do gonna win the championship. I said,

1788
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: Denver's gonna finish with the best record because I think

1789
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: they got the best team. But you're gonna need a dog.

1790
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a dog at some point, and I

1791
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Jamal Murray. I said he's gonna

1792
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: be the key. I said, greatest joker is at some

1793
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 1: point in a basketball game, you gotta get a ball

1794
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: to it. I said this on their I said, he said, hey,

1795
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: get me one, and I said, Jamal Murrish the guy

1796
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 1: who can do that. I love what they went out

1797
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 1: going to get ground and KCP and so Denver to

1798
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 1: me looks like, man, they're gonna be a handful. But

1799
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: I think my sons are done. Uh, because once you

1800
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,560
Speaker 1: lose that chemistry on the team, I don't think you

1801
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: can get it back. And I think they've lost it.

1802
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 1: They don't like each other and once because I think

1803
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 1: you gotta Every team had as clicks, but you have

1804
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 1: to like and respect each other if you're going to win.

1805
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and Boston, I think they're they've separated themselves in

1806
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: the East and the intriguing team is gonna be Brooklyn. Uh.

1807
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come down to Ben Simmons because

1808
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I think Katie and Kyrie gonna do their thing, but

1809
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is gonna be the wild card. He has

1810
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: to be a factor somewhere. Yes, like you need to

1811
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: be the defensive stopper, you know what I'm saying. But

1812
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 1: he just out there right now, he's not doing that,

1813
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 1: not doing anything and so but man, it's gonna be interesting.

1814
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 1: But that's the beauty of it. Man, somebody's gonna win

1815
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: this thing and it's gonna be well deserved. But right now, uh,

1816
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:48,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. Anybody in today's game remind you

1817
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: of yourself, not really, because you know they just nobody

1818
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,280
Speaker 1: plays physical. You can't. First of all, you can't play physical.

1819
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 1: You know. I had to play physical because I'm a

1820
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: six five guy playing against big dudes I got. I mean,

1821
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Zack Brando was the last guy you see Zack, Zack

1822
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:15,759
Speaker 1: and a Joker. I love watching them play because everybody

1823
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: can play. When you can run and jump, yeah, when

1824
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: you're playing a by the room, yeah, But when you

1825
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: have to use your brain and your body. That's why

1826
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: I love watching Jack, Joker and Zack play. Now. I

1827
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 1: really love that boy, you honest, him and Russell Westbrook.

1828
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 1: I've never seen NBA players play harder than those two guys.

1829
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: You know at Russell. Does he have flaws, yes, but

1830
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna say anything bad about a man who

1831
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: plays that hard every single night and plays every almost

1832
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:55,120
Speaker 1: every game, every game, And you're honest, he's the same way.

1833
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,600
Speaker 1: He plays one effort every single night and you have

1834
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 1: to admire that. To who's the best playing league right now?

1835
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 1: To you, I would go with Johannice. I would go

1836
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 1: with Janice Um Katie is probably the best offensive player.

1837
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: But nice, but Joker's ridiculous. Mean that dude is ridiculous.

1838
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: That's the last to m D. P Wins. Yeah, I

1839
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 1: mean he is ridiculous. I mean, but you know, Joel

1840
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 1: is fantastic, step Steph. I mean. So it's some great

1841
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: players out there and they're fine to watch. I just

1842
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 1: wish they would bring a little bit more strategy into

1843
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: the game. And they're just saying, hey, man, let's just

1844
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 1: jack up a bunch of threes. That's what's going on

1845
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: to quick hitters. First thing to pop your mind. Let

1846
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:47,720
Speaker 1: us know this is gonna be a big one to

1847
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. Top five all time? Who's

1848
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 1: in your top five? Michael Oscar Wilt Kareem, Bill Russell,

1849
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: those your top five, Kobe, Lebron, Tim Duncan, Ha King,

1850
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: Jerry West, those are my top ten. And then you

1851
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: got Magic Bergs Shack. Steph is right there in that

1852
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 1: wasty Elgin Baylor. Can can any current player crack the

1853
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: top ten by the time they're done? In your in

1854
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 1: your top ten? In your opinion? He like that. That's

1855
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 1: because that's a great question. Stephan is knocking on the door.

1856
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 1: If Steph win one more, it's gonna be hard not to.

1857
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard not to put him in the

1858
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:48,680
Speaker 1: top ten? Did you have ten? He's seven? Kobe, and

1859
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 1: it's so fun. I had an argument with the dude.

1860
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 1: He's the biggest Lebron fan in the world. And I said, yo, man,

1861
01:50:56,600 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 1: I didn't put Steve Nash ahead of Lebron, no disrespect.

1862
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 1: I put Kobe Bryant, I said, and I love Lebron,

1863
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 1: I said, but the difference in my opinion, I said, Michael,

1864
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 1: and Kobe will kill you like over, I said, like

1865
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:21,479
Speaker 1: Lebron is a nice guy. I said, ain't nobody ever

1866
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: said Kobe? And and Michael were nice guys. I said,

1867
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:29,320
Speaker 1: those words ain't never been spoken. No, but nobody ever said,

1868
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 1: man that Michael Jordan's a nice guy. I'm like they did.

1869
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Who said that? The same thing with Kobe and there's

1870
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But Lebron he's just a nice man.

1871
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 1: And I got him seven Yeah, one album you can

1872
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 1: listen to and repeat. I want to hear this. I

1873
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 1: want to know what kind of music you listened to. Well,

1874
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I had a bunch of people over

1875
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:59,560
Speaker 1: last night, and it's so funny. Chuck d gave me

1876
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 1: a vine anal about a year and a half ago.

1877
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: So I've been out buying albums and I had all

1878
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: the Capital One people over the spot last night. We're

1879
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 1: getting drunk and we've been tired of shooting. We listened

1880
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:26,679
Speaker 1: to Public Enemy, Tupac uh notrus B, I g the Eagles. Dude,

1881
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:31,519
Speaker 1: I've been shopping. I got about ten new vinyls for

1882
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: Christmas from different friends. And I bought a record player

1883
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 1: about a year and a half ago after Dred got

1884
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,799
Speaker 1: me that because I had to, because that's the old school.

1885
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 1: I had record player growing up, and I didn't know

1886
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: they were making a comeback. But I got when Drey

1887
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:50,759
Speaker 1: and excuse me, when Chuck gave me that vinyl about

1888
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:52,680
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, I went out and

1889
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,600
Speaker 1: bought me a record player. So I've been going to

1890
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:58,600
Speaker 1: a record store like once a month picking up I

1891
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: just I just got uh Thriller, the new Bruno Bruno Mars.

1892
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 1: But like I said, most of my stuff it's uh

1893
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 1: jay Z, Tupac Biggie. And then we had it blowing

1894
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 1: up last night and it was going down. Yeah. We

1895
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 1: have been working like twelve hour days for four days

1896
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 1: in a row, and man, we live. Everybody left town

1897
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 1: this morning. But we let it go last night. Man,

1898
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 1: we were going at it hard. I love it. I

1899
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 1: love it. Kenny briefly spoke to this when we had

1900
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 1: him your first impression when Shaq came to the crew

1901
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:38,600
Speaker 1: and he brought his DJ said his hookah lounge and

1902
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 1: all this kind of ship right off the release. See

1903
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 1: him shake his head right of the bat. So so

1904
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,360
Speaker 1: you know we're in a We're in a in a room.

1905
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 1: We got like so it's act like something like this.

1906
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 1: We have every game on at a bunch of networks,

1907
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: shocks another room smoking hookah. He loves hooka loves it

1908
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:10,600
Speaker 1: every day and he's in there smoking hooking the like,

1909
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 1: and then he's practice DJ stuff. Apparently he's pretty good DJ. Yeah,

1910
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:21,639
Speaker 1: and like loud as hell, loud as hell, he's smoking

1911
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: hookah and we're going like yo, man, which so it's

1912
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 1: crazy he's in that practice in this DJ thing. And

1913
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 1: finally they said, you know, man, you can't smoke hookah

1914
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 1: in the building. He goes out in the parking lot

1915
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: and he's smoking hookah and he loves it, he loves

1916
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 1: and he just makes us laugh man, because he's got

1917
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 1: a pure heart. But man, when he first came there,

1918
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: but the tina was really funny. He comes like the

1919
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 1: first night, will he do something funny? Second night he

1920
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:02,960
Speaker 1: do something funny, Third night, to do something funny, and

1921
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: then he says then he says like, hey, I need

1922
01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: you guys. I need you guys. I'm gonna try this

1923
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: next week. We're like, yo, man, you know we're on

1924
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: TV like a hundred and some days. You can't try

1925
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 1: to do some ship every night. So seriously, so we're

1926
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 1: like the joke around the studio became like, hey, we're

1927
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 1: like five shows of shocks setting it up on fire

1928
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 1: on TV. It was like because he was actually thinking,

1929
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 1: like I've got to outdoing myself every week. We're like, yo, man,

1930
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: we're only four shows in. We got a hundred shows

1931
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 1: and that that's where we came up with a joke.

1932
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 1: What do you think about show ten twiver We're gonna

1933
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 1: set us up on fire and that became the joke.

1934
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: But we're like, yo, man, we don't have to outdo

1935
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 1: ourselves everything. Yeah, I says, the only time we have

1936
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 1: to come up with ship is when we got bad games.

1937
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 1: He says, we got good games. It's the easiest job

1938
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 1: in the world. I said, because we're on from seven

1939
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: to one third in the morning. I said, if the

1940
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 1: games are good, we're good. But if we got ship games,

1941
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 1: we gotta make people still watch. That's when we have

1942
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: to come up with silly stupid I said, So, so

1943
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 1: let the game play out before you come up with

1944
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: some ship so so, but it's been fun man do

1945
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 1: this today. Yeah, it's like it was like, yo, man,

1946
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 1: let the game play out, because you, like I said,

1947
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 1: you want people to watch it, but they're not gonna

1948
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 1: watch from seven to one thirty if it's ship games.

1949
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 1: So let the games play out. But now he's got it. Man,

1950
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: he's got the best boxing fight you've ever seen live.

1951
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: I've seen a hundred of them. I would probably say haggler, hearns,

1952
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 1: use their lives. Yeah, I was dere forhold the field,

1953
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 1: the bite. I was there for the bite. Yeah, I

1954
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: was there one. So it was so funny. That was

1955
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 1: in Vegas. So you know, you know, you play golf

1956
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: all day, you're getting your drink on. I love to

1957
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 1: drink and love to gamble. So we see this motherfucker

1958
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 1: circling and we look up and said, man, this motherfucker

1959
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: real close to the ring. Yes, And they're like, man,

1960
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 1: shut the funk. Have you just drunk? That's not mask

1961
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: My fun up on one of them glodders up here

1962
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:46,280
Speaker 1: about hour later. But I've been Oh, I'll tell you

1963
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 1: a funny story about boxing. I'm with Magic Michael Patrick, Youwan,

1964
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 1: and they're all like early in my career, I'm a

1965
01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 1: young buck on the totem pole. They make me go

1966
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: get drinks and I come back and Tesson already I

1967
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 1: knocked this motherfucker, like you missed the fight? Are you

1968
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 1: fucking serious? Right now? Motherfucker's are laughing at me. I'm

1969
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 1: walking on that with two buckers of popcorn and some drinks.

1970
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: I walked back fight so over. They just laughing at me.

1971
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, yeah, I don't suck this man. I've

1972
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 1: been boxing football in my two favorite sports, because you know,

1973
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 1: I played football for one day and I did one day.

1974
01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: I did. But one day I was like, now I'm

1975
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 1: not doing this ship. I was sitting there, bleeding, hands

1976
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: all beat up. Everything hurts position, defensive tackle. I'm sitting there,

1977
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, I'm bleeding a couple of places. Head hurd

1978
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: co says, I see y'all to Marrow, I'm not doing

1979
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: this ship tomorrow. I'm not doing this ship tomorrow. No,

1980
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 1: hell no, I'm done. And I like coach, so take

1981
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,520
Speaker 1: my shower, fold my ship up. As a coach. This

1982
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 1: ain't for me. I was thinking that the other night

1983
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 1: when that young kid the mar got hurt. Man. The

1984
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 1: reason football and boxing on my favorite sports. It takes

1985
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 1: covers to go out there, sir. You can't be soft

1986
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 1: and play football or box. You cannot. And so that's

1987
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,440
Speaker 1: why they're my two favorite sports. Like I tried it

1988
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 1: for one day and I'm like, yeah, this ship is

1989
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: not for me. And that's why I admire football players

1990
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,960
Speaker 1: and boxers. I said, you can be soft and played basketball,

1991
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:43,120
Speaker 1: but there's no soft football players or boxers. You can

1992
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 1: get hurt in those sports every single time you lay

1993
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 1: them up. And that's why they are my two favorite sports.

1994
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't play boxing. But since I was

1995
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 1: showtime and I do a lot of stuff with boxing,

1996
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: I would like to invite just one of the fights

1997
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 1: coming up. Got a good car coming up the rest

1998
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:58,960
Speaker 1: of this year, So like the invite you. You know,

1999
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 1: first of all, I'll take you up on that. Don't

2000
02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 1: they bothers me about boxing? These dudes won't fight each other. Yeah,

2001
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 1: it really pisces me off because you know, I look

2002
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 1: at Ali, I'm a phrase. I had three, they had three.

2003
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 1: You don't. And I don't understand why you don't want

2004
02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 1: to fight the best, Like I would want to know

2005
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: who's better, who's better? Hey, and let me see if

2006
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: you beat me. Let me get my back in the

2007
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 1: gym and see if I can get better. And I

2008
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 1: hate people say, well, it's the Floyd era. Floyd for everybody,

2009
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 1: Floyd for everybody. He didn't dunck nobody thought everybody. The

2010
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 1: only thing a problem. I have a flawed He waited

2011
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 1: too late to fight Package, but he didn't fight fight

2012
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 1: everybody every but these young boys that they all want

2013
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 1: to be undefeated. Yeah, yeah, they want to Oh and

2014
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't understand that because I wouldn't want to say, Hey,

2015
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 1: he beat me the first time, I got better and

2016
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 1: beat him the second time. Now that's how and that's

2017
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 1: you want. Can you imagine it in our sport if

2018
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,520
Speaker 1: somebody said we want the East, We're good, We're not

2019
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna play the West. Like now we're the Eastern Company champions.

2020
02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:14,160
Speaker 1: We got wet. Yeah that ain't good enough. But that man.

2021
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 1: So that's the only thing that bothers me about boxing.

2022
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 1: But I love it. Hopefully I'll get back to it. Um,

2023
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 1: obviously you probably met everybody in the world. But who's

2024
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 1: the coolest person you've got a chance to meet? But

2025
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 1: Denzel was great, Jack Nicholson was great. That Jack Nicholson. Uh.

2026
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 1: When I met Sam Jackson for the first time, it

2027
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 1: was I still want to meet you know in these commercials,

2028
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:52,120
Speaker 1: we uh will and Nelson isn't it? And I told Spike, I, Spike,

2029
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,080
Speaker 1: why in the hell did you tell me you were

2030
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna be with Will and Nelson. I want to meet

2031
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 1: Will and Nelson. Uh Indris Elba want to meet him.

2032
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: I met Edin Murphy one time. It was pretty cool. Yeah, said,

2033
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:08,880
Speaker 1: you met Snoop one time. I was excited to meet Snoop.

2034
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's not often. I met Dr Dre a

2035
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:14,240
Speaker 1: long time ago, you know, stupid living legend. It was

2036
02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool to meet him. I want to meet him

2037
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:19,360
Speaker 1: and them if anybody get a chance to hang out

2038
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:21,840
Speaker 1: with you, because I had a chance to hang out

2039
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 1: with you the Big three as soon as I walked

2040
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:26,120
Speaker 1: my chance to speak to him. Good. As soon as

2041
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:28,960
Speaker 1: you saw me, Jack, Hey, he's been me. Tell he's

2042
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:34,240
Speaker 1: been me. Hey man, we're in the same fraternity. Man,

2043
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:39,280
Speaker 1: anybody's in my fraternity, We're good. You know what it

2044
02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,240
Speaker 1: takes to get to the NBA both day and after sports.

2045
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 1: But you know, like if you get to the game,

2046
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I respect that because like the way this

2047
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 1: thing work is, we all played high school a couple

2048
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 1: of more, only a couple move home, get to college,

2049
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 1: play there even less. Then to get then you get

2050
02:03:05,080 --> 02:03:09,040
Speaker 1: to the big boy even less. And if you get there,

2051
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:13,760
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, man, are much respect? You got to

2052
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 1: the dance, and everybody's trying to get to the dance.

2053
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world, the whole world, the whole world.

2054
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 1: Really find a question. If you could see anyone on

2055
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 1: our on our show, who would it be? But but

2056
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: you have to help us get your answer on the show.

2057
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:37,400
Speaker 1: We had everybody on your show already. So, but you

2058
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 1: went to college with someone we really want who you

2059
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 1: watched this high school football game? Yeah? Does he do interviews?

2060
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:52,600
Speaker 1: He does not, He does not anything. But I'll tell

2061
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,280
Speaker 1: you what I will call boy. You have my word,

2062
02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:58,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate appreciate it. You have my word. I

2063
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 1: will reach out to Boat appreciate you. Bian We dim

2064
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 1: each other and I asked him and he'll like kind

2065
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:05,840
Speaker 1: of laugh around it. So if maybe if you put

2066
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:07,800
Speaker 1: the pressure on a good dude man, seem like a

2067
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 1: great podcast. Hopefully you have my word. I'll reach out

2068
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 1: to Bulle. Who else? Uh? Obama? No? No, Sae. Well,

2069
02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking up to Samuel because I'm starting my acting lately.

2070
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Speaker 1: Late party four. He didn't win his oscar to a

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Speaker 1: year ago sixty or something, So yeah, I look up

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Speaker 1: to him. Samuel Jack. Anybody in your roller dex will

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Speaker 1: do anybody you know. So the thing I like Spike

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Speaker 1: so uh oh, Spike for sure. Easy. We ain't spike either,

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Speaker 1: that's easy. Let Menna tell you this when they have

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Speaker 1: when they approached me four years ago. Uh, they pushed

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Speaker 1: me in Earn and says, you guys want to do

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Speaker 1: a podcast. I'm like, nope, nope, nope, I don't wanna

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Speaker 1: do no part podcast. And I'm like no. And then

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Speaker 1: we were in the middle of the pandemic. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what these motherfucker's are still paying us, Let's help him out.

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Speaker 1: The best decision I made. I'm talking to motherfucker's. Ain't

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Speaker 1: never in my life. We had Dr Faucion, We had

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Speaker 1: to Chef Andre's on last week. We got salad Field

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Speaker 1: on next week, this week, next week, next week. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know we've had you guys, you guys, you should

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Speaker 1: have on here, Massawya, Jerry unbelievable. Oh yeah. We had

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. We had Curvit Smart on last week.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh, I'm kind of thinking we've been doing it.

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Speaker 1: We're being people to learn about somebody that you would

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Speaker 1: never cross paths with. It's pretty interesting and uh that

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Speaker 1: it was one of the best decisions and just like

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Speaker 1: you guys said to me, maybe throwing names out there,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try to get this person. We're gonna try

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Speaker 1: and we're like, yeah, that'd be cool, and uh so yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep doing it and getting crazy people on there, like

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Speaker 1: there's people. He was like, I ain't no way in

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Speaker 1: the hell I thought i'd be sitting in the room

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Speaker 1: with you getting to ask you questions. And it's pretty special, man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, but also even you know, having

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Speaker 1: you when something we looked up to our whole life,

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Speaker 1: get to have an in depth conversation with you. Normally

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Speaker 1: it's superficial or surface because we don't have that kind

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Speaker 1: of time. But for you to sit down and really

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Speaker 1: chut man two hours because I don't do these, because

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of love and respect for both

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Speaker 1: of y'all. The only reason I'm doing it because I

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Speaker 1: don't do sit down. Because number one, I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: need you to watch me. I don't want to give

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Speaker 1: all I want to get bought my ship away. I

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Speaker 1: want you to watch me. People pay for me to

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Speaker 1: get people to watch and if I go on TV,

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Speaker 1: everybody show Yeah I said no, I said, but I said, oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's make it work. And I'm glad because when we

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Speaker 1: when we when you first hit me, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm shooting commercials and I said, okay, I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: y'all were able to stay because I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: because you know, you know, when you shoot a commercial,

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Speaker 1: you show up like something and want to get out

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Speaker 1: there like nine nights. We make any day work. And

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, let's make it work. So thank you, brother, man.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate for you. Man. I like free Ship and I

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Speaker 1: know you like gear. You can get that all the

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Speaker 1: smoke gear at all the Smoke Store if you would

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Speaker 1: like to be fresh like the O G. Chuck all

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Speaker 1: the smoke story Man Chuck. We again, we appreciate you, man.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the path you've you've opened up for a

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Speaker 1: lot of us. Again, you know, you fell on it

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Speaker 1: upon the women. You've mastered it and you continue to

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Speaker 1: get better here and we look up to people like

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Speaker 1: you and look up to you in particularly, and we

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Speaker 1: appreciate everything you've done for the game, everything you've done

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Speaker 1: post career. So thank you very much for that. You

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Speaker 1: owe it, go to games, giving me everything. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to share it. Yeah, thank you. That's a rap.

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Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, All the Smoke You cast us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube,

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Speaker 1: and the I Heart platform Black Effects. This one's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna come on linear TV, though, so you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to catch this one on Showtime. So let's see

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Speaker 1: you all next week. Peace,