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Speaker 1: At least, is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 3: it is a beautiful Wednesday outside here in Pittsburgh. Steelers

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Speaker 3: don't play until Monday night against the New York Football

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Speaker 3: Giants or kind of the anti giants there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not so great. That's so great. That's Monday night.

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Speaker 3: So no injury report today, right right right, and it's

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Speaker 3: a Monday night game. So we gonna talk about in

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Speaker 3: this for not nevermind. Well, so, the the Pro Football

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame has announced its Modern era nominees for

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Speaker 3: the class of twenty twenty five. Narrated things down from

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty seven nominees down to fifty candidates.

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Speaker 3: And anyone can be nominated. Anybody can be nominated. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: except well have to have played in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: You can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't nominate Matt.

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Speaker 3: And Dale, although somebody should do that for the pitt

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Speaker 3: Johnston Sports Hall, no question. I don't know why folks

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Speaker 3: the drive from there anymore? Ever ever, right, ever, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna take the show on the road. But anyways, digress,

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Speaker 3: But James Harrison, Heines, Ward, Gary Anderson make the cut

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Speaker 3: to fifty. Who was the first one?

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Speaker 2: Hines Ward, James Harrison, Heines, Ward, Gary Anderson. People might

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're my age, you remember when Gary

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Speaker 2: Anderson was considered one of the best kickers ever. It

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Speaker 2: was like Morton Anderson, Gary Anderson were like the best

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Speaker 2: ones the world ever seen. That they were the best

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Speaker 2: in their generation. Yeah, without question is more. I think

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Speaker 2: Morton's in.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's the all time leading his numbers, his resume

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Speaker 3: is a little better. Yeah, you know, but I don't

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Speaker 3: think Gary's gonna go. But that's pretty cool that you

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Speaker 3: got that far.

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Speaker 2: D you know him.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about Harrison and Ward in the past when

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Speaker 3: they've been and they've made it to cut to twenty five,

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Speaker 3: and to me, I can make a strong case for

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Speaker 3: both guys. I don't know that either is going to

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Speaker 2: I don't think they will, but I can make it

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Speaker 2: case stronger than you think. For Ward, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, I think the case is that in the decade

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Speaker 3: of the two thousands, from two thousand to twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: he had more catches than anybody else in the league.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think a lot of people realize that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's a lot of good players in that decade,

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Speaker 3: including the Randy Mosses and guys who are already in

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a great stat that's certainly in his favor.

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Speaker 2: But I always feel bad for like the guy that

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Speaker 2: gets drafted in eighty five and retires in ninety five

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Speaker 2: kind of Ward.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ward's first season was eighty eight or ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, ok, I mean it's still a long stretch

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Speaker 3: It's ten years and you led the league in catches

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Speaker 3: And by the way, super Bowl MVP, and oh by

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Speaker 3: the way, your team won two Super Bowls and went

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Speaker 2: The blocking stuff, too, I think is sets him apart

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Speaker 2: from others of that generation too. Like that's if you're

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Speaker 2: not a slam dunk, I feel like you need a

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Speaker 2: blocking something like that that makes you memorable, even to

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Speaker 2: the fans that may not study this for a living.

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Speaker 3: What's going to drive me nuts is that Adam Vinatieri

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Speaker 3: James Harrison and Hines Word aren't.

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Speaker 2: Because to get to.

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Speaker 3: The fifteen, When you get to the fifteen, that's when

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the flies in the ointment, one

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Speaker 2: but this is not a perfect system at all, and

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Speaker 3: But yeah, at least let me talk about them once,

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Speaker 3: present Fanica and Paulamalu and I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty good. You know, yeah, that guy's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I bet you walk in there saying these five, I'm

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Speaker 3: There was only one player who, after his his spiel

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Speaker 3: and you you know, the person who's presenting them, gets

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Speaker 2: The year that I did it.

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Speaker 3: That I said, yeah, that's enough, and he's made it,

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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, you've said that. You told me that a

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Speaker 2: couple of times, like good presenters go a long way.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely too. Yeah, And there's probably an art to it.

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Speaker 2: I remember you saying something about the holding calls on

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Speaker 2: It's like I can picture this guy.

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Speaker 4: In the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Guys, because if you might just to make the final

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Speaker 3: fifteen means you were really good, really good, right, you

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Speaker 3: I'm not putting Steve Tasker during a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: you know, I feel like they should have eighty five

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Speaker 3: and we're much bigger parts of their team winning Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I don't care that Adam Vinettier was. He made that

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Speaker 3: We think Chris Boswell couldn't do that, right, We think

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Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Tucker is the only one I think

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Speaker 4: You can't.

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Speaker 2: It's apples to Orange, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, they're football players, Yes they're on teams,

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Speaker 3: but they're not as important. Again, you brought this up

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Speaker 3: bigger part of the Bills going to force consecutive Super Bowls?

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Speaker 3: Was it Steve Tasker or was it Shane con Cornelius Bennett, Right,

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Speaker 2: Ruben Brown, Yeah, you know what I mean. You know,

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Speaker 2: the guys are good players to go to the Pro

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Speaker 3: Last year, I think it was second or third most

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Ray Lewis has done that in a game,

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Speaker 3: And if you're the best ever at.

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Speaker 2: What you do, you should get in. But not over Vanica.

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Speaker 3: Because it's it's already difficult enough for offensive linemen for example,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Everybody talks about the wide receivers. Well, you know, the

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Speaker 3: wide receiver position has gotten so watered down because everybody's

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Speaker 3: throwing the.

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Speaker 3: The numbers hind where's a thousand catches when he retired?

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Speaker 3: a nice accomplishment, but everybody's doing that now.

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Speaker 2: A big thing I very much believe in all sports

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Speaker 2: You know, like, I don't know a ton about baseball,

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Speaker 2: but I guess Bob Gibson when he set the era,

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Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't mean that it's not a great accomplishment,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty crazy, you know what I mean? That's significant. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's got he's got some bona fides there

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Speaker 3: that that you could certainly hear the same. Harrison was

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Speaker 2: Who were I mean, I know, something off off my head,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like the pretty much overlap, like who was

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to think I'm gonna call it

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Speaker 2: Chad Johnson. Who's not in? I'm just trying to think

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the All Decade team wide receivers where Marvin Harrison,

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Speaker 3: Randy Moss, Tory Holt, and Terrell Owens. Now Tory Holts.

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Speaker 3: Tory Holts have been a five time finalist, so he's

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Speaker 3: been talked about in that room five times.

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Speaker 2: Which is also kind of weird, Like what's the fifth

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Speaker 3: You know, I could tell you that the year again,

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Speaker 3: the year that that I voted, both Tory Holt and

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Speaker 3: Isaac Bruce were on the list and it came down

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Speaker 2: Holt still hasn't gotten it. That's a weird situation that

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Speaker 3: But they threw the ball constantly.

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Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne in, I mean, because I know Harrison is.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Wayne has gotten a bunch of times too.

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Speaker 2: I think he's been presented.

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Speaker 2: In his career. Ten year veterans something like that. This

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Speaker 2: Like if he had no return skills whatsoever, he'd still

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: If somebody would find I mean two years ago, rush

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Speaker 2: He was number one. I mean like he was. His

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Speaker 3: I don't even I can't even remember anybody else being

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he had sixteen sacks when you know it

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Speaker 3: That's a one per game. Actually that for him. He

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Speaker 3: He was second team All Pro the first year, seventh

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Speaker 3: He had eight and a half, sixteen, ten, ten and

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Speaker 2: Came in eleven games.

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Speaker 3: And I've seen Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd and Joey

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're putting together a three four outside linebacker depth charge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the two, and no disrespect to the other

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Speaker 2: See the loiter Porter, Okay, Green wasn't here long enough

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Speaker 2: for years? Yeah right, fourteen, nineteen twenty five. Twenty nine

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Speaker 2: And that's not even like, well they ran the ball

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Speaker 3: I mean no, that's him peoples and him destroying quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: They were fantastic for that five year stretch. Well, he

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Speaker 2: Frankly, I don't think Davis belongs. I think Biselli does.

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Speaker 2: But that's either here, right, I mean, but I mean, yeah, in.

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Speaker 3: That period he was He was first or second team

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Speaker 2: You know, there is some recent history of the shorter

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Speaker 3: I could make that argument pretty easily now that the

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Speaker 2: You got to get either one of them get in

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Speaker 3: Be to get on the ballot again next year to

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is his ear, you know, at least your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's my nice screed for today. But we're

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Speaker 3: by the Dean of Doom, the lord of living in

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Speaker 3: his fears, Bob Labriola. Bob, were feeling a little less

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, four hundred total yard, four hundred

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Speaker 5: yards of total law offense, thirty seven points. You had

443
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Speaker 5: one hundred yard rusher, one hundred yard receiver I think

444
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:08,640
Speaker 5: it was Russell Wilson finished with for yeah, passing no turnovers. Yeah,

445
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 5: I mean it looked like a real NFL offense, It

446
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,199
Speaker 5: really did. And it you know, I think that a

447
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 5: lot of the credit or you know, responsibility for what

448
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 5: it looked like is due to the quarterback. He certainly

449
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 5: played in a way after a rough start. He certainly

450
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 5: played in a way that, in my opinion, unlocked a

451
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 5: lot of the things that this Steelers offense is going

452
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 5: to need to handle this post by regular season schedule

453
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 5: that they have waiting for him on the other side.

454
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was a it was.

455
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Speaker 5: It was very heartening, I thought, and you know, just

456
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 5: a couple I'm not going to get into this too

457
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 5: too deeply, but to me, Russell Wilson, the throw to

458
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 5: George Pickens for the touchdown and then throw to Van

459
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 5: Jefferson for the touchdown. Both of those pre snap read

460
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 5: and knew where to go with the ball based on

461
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 5: the coverage through it on time and in an anticipatory way.

462
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 4: That's what he gives you. So yes, lots of good.

463
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 5: Things to say and feel about the Steelers offense after

464
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Speaker 5: Sunday night's game.

465
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Speaker 4: But.

466
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Speaker 5: The reality of the NFL is, man, if they don't

467
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 5: play good Monday night, they can lose to the.

468
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Speaker 4: Giants, no doubt.

469
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Speaker 2: So Labs, I don't to get back to current day

470
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 2: in a minute, but Dale and I were having a

471
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Speaker 2: good conversation about kins Ward and James Harrison, Gary Anderson

472
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: as well. But really those two advancing to in the

473
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame situation, do you think they have a chance?

474
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Speaker 2: Do you think they belong? You know, what's your case

475
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Speaker 2: on those two?

476
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Speaker 5: You know, the do they have a chance? Thing to

477
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 5: me is so related. They're so tied into who else

478
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 5: is yeah, of course, right, okay, And I don't know.

479
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 5: I mean, the thing that I'll say about hines Ward

480
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 5: is there seems to be this waiting list from receivers now.

481
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Speaker 5: And the only reason or the only possible explanation I

482
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 5: can give for this is I think voters or the

483
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 5: selectors are maybe a little leery about statistics these days,

484
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 5: receiving statistics, passing statistics, because of the way the game

485
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 5: has legislated, the rules that have been passed, you know,

486
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. So you know, you used to

487
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 5: be hines Ward's numbers were you know, I don't know.

488
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Speaker 5: It's kind of like baseball. You know, if you have

489
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 5: reached a certain number of hits as a batter or

490
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 5: a certain number of wins as a pitcher, you know

491
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Speaker 5: that pretty much got you in, but there are guys

492
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 5: with more catches and more yards than heinz Wood.

493
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Speaker 4: We're not UH in the Hall of Fame yet, so

494
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Speaker 4: you know it, does he have a chance. I don't know.

495
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 5: If I had to vote, i'd vote for him because yes,

496
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 5: I would, because I think that, you know, there are

497
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 5: guys who transcend the statistics a little bit. Lynn Swan

498
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 5: was one guy. You know, his big game performances I

499
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 5: think were weighed finally more so than his total statistics

500
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 5: when he got in. And I think heines Ward's physical

501
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 5: presence is blocking his you know, approach to the game

502
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 5: is uh is is a difference maker in his career.

503
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Speaker 4: And I remember Mike Tomlin.

504
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 5: Telling him the story about when he was a secondary

505
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 5: coach and Tampa Bay would lay the Steelers. He said,

506
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 5: I can tell you right now that the first thing

507
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 5: we talked about in meetings UH defensive back meetings was

508
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 5: was Heine's Ward.

509
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: But it was not about his receiving you.

510
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: You had to be ready for that. He brought a tone,

511
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 5: He set a tone, and you know, don't forget that

512
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay secretary secondary had John Lynching and he was

513
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: no shrinking Violet.

514
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: Himself a couple of famers.

515
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's the kind of you know, view from

516
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 5: the enemy's camp maybe to use a phrase that I

517
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 5: think would need to be considered, and I just don't

518
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 5: know if it is.

519
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: I bet the enemy didn't love playing against Harrison either, right.

520
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 5: Well, and let me let me say this about James

521
00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 5: Harrison too. James Harrison became the fall guy for the

522
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 5: Player Safety Initiative in twenty and ten when all of

523
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 5: a sudden, things that James Harrison had done to that

524
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 5: point in his career never been penalized for unnecessary roughness.

525
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, he was getting flags one after

526
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 5: the other.

527
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: In the middle of a season. They changed the rules

528
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: in the middle of a season. That was my biggest

529
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: issue with it is you started playing the season under

530
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: one set of rules and then decided that guys were

531
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: getting hit too hard, so we got to change the

532
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: rules to take that away.

533
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 5: So yes, So I mean, I just don't know, you know,

534
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 5: if James Harrison is going to be able to overcome

535
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 5: that again. And because you know, the thing with the

536
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame is and there's two issues, do you

537
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 5: belong can you get elected? And you know, when you

538
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 5: look at those two things. Far more important is you

539
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 5: get elected, because do you belong. That's just a discussion.

540
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 5: Can you get elected means whether you get a gold

541
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Speaker 5: jacket or not. I just don't know if James Harrison

542
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: can get elected. And Gary Anderson. Let me just throw

543
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 5: this out. Gary Anderson is not where he is now

544
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 5: in this voting process because of what he did with

545
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 5: the Steelers. You know, his career is what has gotten

546
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 5: him this far. Gary Anderson. You know, if you look

547
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 5: it up, what he did after he left the Steelers

548
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 5: in terms of points scored and all that stuff was equal,

549
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 5: if not more than what he did during his time

550
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,959
Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh.

551
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: So I get that. You know, he is associated with

552
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: the Steelers.

553
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 5: For you know, this kind of discussion and that, but

554
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 5: his his resume, what he is putting forth to the voters,

555
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: the selectors of the Hall of Fame encompasses his whole career.

556
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 5: And because if you would take Gary Anderson's career and

557
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 5: cut it off when he left the Steelers, we're not

558
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 5: having this conversation about him at all, which.

559
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: Is not Yeah, and the big port, the big thing

560
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: that you said there, Labs was that can you can

561
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: you get into that discussion. Well, you have to get

562
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 3: into the final fifteen to be discussed. And that's my

563
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: problem with the process is that you know, heins Ward

564
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: and James Harrison haven't gotten into the final fifteen to

565
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: even be discussed in that room. And that, to me

566
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: is the biggest travesty of this because, as I pointed out,

567
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: hines Ward led the NFL in receptions during the decade

568
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: of the two thousands. He had more catches than anybody

569
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: else and an a Super Bowl MVP Award. They changed

570
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: the rule because of him on the crackback blocks because

571
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: you know, he hurt the was a Keith Rivers with

572
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: the Bengals and Marvin Harris. Marvin said, hey, you can't

573
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: have that anymore. James Harrison, as we just went through

574
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, he had the greatest play

575
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: defensive play in Super Bowl history. I don't care what

576
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: anybody else says. That was the greatest single of play

577
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 3: and defensive play in.

578
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: Super Bowl history.

579
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: And he was All Pro first or second team four

580
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 3: consecutive years. If you take the five year stretch of

581
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: his career that started in two thousand and seven, it

582
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: was better than Dwight Freenie's and Dwight Freene got voted

583
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: in last year. But unless you get into the room,

584
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: that stuff doesn't get to be discussed because well, there's

585
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: no discussion on when it's get paired from twenty five

586
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: to fifteen. They've made the final twenty five, but they

587
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: can't get to the fifteen to be discussed.

588
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: And well, one of the flaws I believe in the

589
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 5: way the NFL selects it's Hall of Fame famers is,

590
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, unlike there are too few voters, so a

591
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: smaller percentage of naysayers or you know, people who are

592
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: tired of voting for Steelers, or you know, whatever their

593
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 5: reason might be, can keep a guy out of that

594
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: fifteen and keep him out of that room. Baseball, for example,

595
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: there's so many members of the Baseball Writers Association of

596
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 5: America and they all get a vote.

597
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: We have to be I think a member ten ten

598
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: consecutive years and then you get a vote.

599
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 5: Okay, well, but anyway, there are a lot more of them, yeah,

600
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 5: than there are. I think there's fifty four selectors for

601
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

602
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: So in some more cities than others. Right, it's not

603
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: like spread out throughout the equally.

604
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you have two, If you have two teams,

605
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 5: you get more representative.

606
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: On some of the at large guy like Cleveland right

607
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: now has their regular voter, who I believe is Mary

608
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: Kay Cabot, but then they have an at large vote

609
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: and then you have a football team for four years.

610
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's all of that,

611
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: all of that. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm you're

612
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 5: just kind of reinforcing what I'm thinking. You're just doing

613
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 5: it a better job of putting it in words. Let

614
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: me just throw this in real quick because it's Harrison

615
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 5: and heinz Ward and I remember James Harrison's had one

616
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 5: of the great lines ever when I asked about the

617
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 5: way that hines Ward plays, you know, is he too physical?

618
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 4: And the hines Ward rule and.

619
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: All that stuff, And James Harrison said, you know, in

620
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 5: a response to you know, is he ah too physical

621
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 5: with defensive backs or defensive players, James Harrison laughed and said,

622
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 5: it ain't no fun when the Rabbits got the gun.

623
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: That was hilarious.

624
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 5: It really summed it up perfectly, because you know defensive

625
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: backs Ed Reid, you know, he thought only he was

626
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 5: allowed to take people's heads off over the middle, and

627
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: behind's Ward took his head off over the middle one time.

628
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: Ed read all of a sudden was really offended by that.

629
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: And as James Harrison said, it ain't it's much fun

630
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: when the Rabbits got the gun.

631
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Well, you know, James was a big cartoon watcher, so

632
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure he had seen Elmer Fudd get shot a

633
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: couple of times by budd Pugs Bunny.

634
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 4: Right, So but yeah, you know, I don't again.

635
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I think again, I would vote for James

636
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 5: Harrison too, but I don't have a vote. I don't

637
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 5: know if they have a chance. I really don't. And

638
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 5: all I can say is do they deserve it? I

639
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: think they do. But hey, I work for the team,

640
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: so I mean my opinion can easily be dismissed by

641
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 5: the other side of the argument.

642
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: So looking at this upcoming game, the thing that worries

643
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: me most from a Steelers' perspective. And I'm not going

644
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: to pretend like the Giants are a great team.

645
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: They're not.

646
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: They got a lot of issues, but their pass rush

647
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: is really formidable and not out of the woods that

648
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: the Steelers offensive line is fixed or an asset at

649
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: this point. How much does that worry you?

650
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, yeah, I you know, I thought that

651
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: Ryan McCollum played real well against the Jets, and that

652
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 5: was a pretty decent challenge that the interior of the

653
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 5: Steelers offensive line had in Quinnon Williams. Dexter Lawrence is

654
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: better than Quinn Williams.

655
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah he is.

656
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: Dexter Lawrence leaves the NFL in sacks with nine. He's

657
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: a game record for the from the interior of the

658
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 5: defensive line, which is not an easy thing to do.

659
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

660
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: He leads all defensive tackles UH this season in tackles

661
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Speaker 5: for loss. The Giants have only won two games. Dexter

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Speaker 5: Lawrence had multi sack games in both of those instances.

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Speaker 5: This guy is again, much better than the than the

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Speaker 5: challenge that the Jets put forth in terms of, uh,

665
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Speaker 5: what they presented for the interior of the Steelers offensive line.

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Speaker 5: So yes, it's really a challenge. But you know, I

667
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Speaker 5: like I like McCollum's.

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Speaker 4: Recognition and communication skills.

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Speaker 5: It helps him a lot to have say them all

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Speaker 5: over next to them on his to the left of him.

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Speaker 5: And I think Russell Wilson is an asset too. Because

672
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Speaker 5: he can see things, maybe get the blocking schemes or

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Speaker 5: get the plays or you know, do some of that

674
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Speaker 5: pre snap brack pre snap recognition going, and you know,

675
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Speaker 5: get them out of bad plays and get them into

676
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Speaker 5: good plays. So, uh, yes, you're absolutely right, this is

677
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Speaker 5: this is not going to be a day at the

678
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Speaker 5: beach for the Steelers in terms of the Giants defensive

679
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: line there in their pass rush. But I'm a little

680
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 5: bit more confident because of Russell Wilson's experience in handling

681
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Speaker 5: these kinds of things and again his recognition and understanding

682
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Speaker 5: of defense, defenses and defensive players throughout the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, if the Steelers are going

684
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Speaker 3: to have an issue in this game, it's going to

685
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: be because of that defensive pass rush that the Giants

686
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: do have. As good as they are rushing the passer,

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Speaker 3: they're equally as bad stopping the run.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's because they try to get upfield.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

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00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: They're trying to stop the run on their way to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback, and I think they can be exploited a

692
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Speaker 3: little bit in that way. And again, having a veteran

693
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Speaker 3: quarterback in there might make that a little more plausible.

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Speaker 3: In this game as opposed to just running into the

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Speaker 3: teeth of what they're trying to do, maybe adjusting those things.

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Speaker 5: That's the line of scrimmage, right And you know, and

697
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Speaker 5: I also don't think that you know, as this video

698
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 5: of the Steelers offense with Russell Wilson quarterbacks starts making

699
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 5: the rounds, you're going to see less and less of

700
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 5: opposing defenses just attacking downhill. Yeah, anytime Naugie Harris is

701
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 5: in the game, because who knows you can do that

702
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 5: little bootleg and throw it to a two hundred and

703
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 5: sixty pound tight end and all of a sudden you're

704
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: either chasing him or looking to tackle him instead of

705
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 5: getting the tee up on a running back. So, you know,

706
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Speaker 5: there's just more things that I think that are available

707
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: to the Steelers from an offensive perspective, and therefore there

708
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 5: are more things for the defense to have to worry

709
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 5: about or at least consider when they're trying to you know,

710
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 5: make mayhem, you know, in the Steelers' backfield. So you know, again,

711
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 5: it's we're kind of entering a new i won't say era,

712
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 5: but a new phase of what this Arthur Smith offense

713
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 5: is and can be. And so I don't know that.

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Speaker 5: You know, we should be able. We should be looking

715
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Speaker 5: three four weeks ago and trying to project what we

716
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: saw and what the offense was doing then with what

717
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Speaker 5: we're going to see and what the offense is capable

718
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Speaker 5: of doing now. But you know, it's a good conversation. Uh.

719
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Speaker 5: And there there were always teams you know that was

720
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Speaker 5: always a tounch jiltn thing about being able to run

721
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Speaker 5: against defenses that play the run on the way to

722
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Speaker 5: the quarterback. And you could, yeah, you can. You could

723
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 5: create some scenes and gash those kinds of defenses. I

724
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: think Jalen Warren is starting to, you know, get more

725
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Speaker 5: into it, feel better about his hamstring, and uh, you know,

726
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 5: Nagie Harris is I mean, I don't anybody who doesn't

727
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 5: think that this guy is a number one running back

728
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 5: in the NFL anymore, either he's just doesn't like him

729
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 5: for whatever personal reason it might be, or don't know

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Speaker 5: what they're looking at.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about nausea. Do you think

732
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: these past two games has been his peak? So far

733
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Speaker 2: in the Steeler uniform?

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Speaker 4: He's been pretty darn good. I don't. I mean, I

735
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: remember a game against the Browns.

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Speaker 5: He rushed for one hundred and eighty eight yards, So

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Speaker 5: I mean that was I don't remember that specifically how

738
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Speaker 5: it looked, but I remember the Browns.

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Speaker 2: The Browns. He looks faster to me, though, you know,

740
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Speaker 2: he does look faster. Yeah, more explosives, I think.

741
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that you know, nausey Harris. Really I

742
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 5: won't say it's not like he came to training camp

743
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 5: out of shape, but I think he put a little

744
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 5: stor emphasis into his off season, you know, pre coming

745
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 5: to Oks and stuff, conditioning, uh and working on his

746
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 5: body contract year.

747
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Speaker 4: You know, nothing wrong with that. I mean, I totally.

748
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Speaker 5: Respect guys, you know, kind of gearing up for a

749
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Speaker 5: contract year, have a good season and trying to get paid.

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Speaker 4: You know, all power to him for that.

751
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 5: But I think that, you know, nause Hair seems to me,

752
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 5: if to use a phrase, a little bit of on

753
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: a mission this year to show what he can do,

754
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 5: show that he belongs in the league, show that he

755
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 5: deserves to be the number one UH running back on

756
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Speaker 5: a team that he is UH. And you know, like

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00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: I said, I this guy is he's having a he's

758
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 5: having a really good year. And I think that what

759
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 5: we're seeing from the offense, but Arthur Smith wants to

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Speaker 5: do what Russell Wilson unlocks in terms of facets of

761
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 5: the offense that we hadn't been able to see before.

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Speaker 5: That helps nausey hair, so just as much as it

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Speaker 5: helps out the receivers not named George Pickens and the

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Speaker 5: tight ends.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna let you go here, Bob.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate your time as always, and uh, our guest

767
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: has been Bob Labriola, editor of Steelers Digest in Steelers

768
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Speaker 3: dot Com, the Dean of Doom not quite so uh

769
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: so uh, the lord of living in his fears this week,

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Speaker 3: but don't blame him. No, I don't blame him either.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers look good. They've looked god the last two weeks,

772
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Speaker 3: and yeah, maybe they'll go into the bye if they

773
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: win this game this week at six and two and

774
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Speaker 3: feeling pretty good about themselves. Labs will I'll see you Monday.

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Speaker 4: Okay, fellows, take care, all right?

776
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Speaker 3: That was Bob Labriola. He is the Matt Williamson. I

777
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: got come up with a better nickname for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great.

779
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm dale Lallie. You're listening to the drive here

780
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more

781
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Speaker 3: right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

783
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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

784
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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 3: Radio and we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is

786
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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and then Matt. We're just talking nause

787
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Speaker 3: Harris with Bob Labriola there. So right now, he's eighth

788
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: in the league in rushing yards with four hundred and

789
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: seventy eight. That's one lesson he had through seven games

790
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 3: his rookie year when he ran for twelve hundred yards

791
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: and made the Pro Bowl. And you know it was

792
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: very good at rookie season. He has two consecutive one

793
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: hundred yard games. If he gets to three in a row,

794
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: that has only happened four other times in Steelers history.

795
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw some of that. It's like Jerome and

796
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Franco and and you're talking about two Hall of Fame guys.

797
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Speaker 3: Franco did it six times in nineteen seventy two, six consecutive.

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Speaker 2: One hundred yard games rookie season. How do you do six? Three?

799
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Speaker 3: Barry Foster had three straight in nineteen ninety two when

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Speaker 3: he rushed for league team record.

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Speaker 2: Sixte ninety years.

802
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Speaker 3: Jerome Bettis did it three states traight times in nineteen

803
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: ninety six when he just missed leading the league and

804
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: he set out the last game of the season that year,

805
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: could have led the league in rushing and broken the

806
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Speaker 3: team record. I think he finished like sixteen yards short

807
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Speaker 3: of this team record. And then James Connor did it

808
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Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Steel I wouldn't have got that one. That's him Bell didn't. Yeah, yeah, Lev.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've had some really good running backs over

811
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Speaker 3: the years. I mean they're they're the Pittsburgh Steelers. They

812
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Speaker 3: run the football and this would be only the fifth

813
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: time that they've had a guy go three consecutive games

814
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Speaker 3: with one hundred yards. And oh, by the way, this

815
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Speaker 3: Giants team five point four yards per carry.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man and Saquon ripped them up. I mean, he

817
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: he had long run after long run. Only four defenses

818
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: are allowing more yards after first contact, but they've allowed

819
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: thirty one runs of ten yards or more, which is

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Speaker 2: in the perspective. Jets went into last week's game with

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Speaker 2: twenty two Yeah, yeah, I mean Seriers rush pretty good too.

822
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Speaker 2: They've they have twenty seven rushes of ten or more yards,

823
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: which is pretty high. That's eighth most in the league,

824
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: where New York's allowed thirty one and seventeen point four

825
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Speaker 2: of their attempts against them are the most of them,

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Speaker 2: and that's both of them are worst, like bad gosh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they give up one hundred and thirty eight

828
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: point one rushing yards per game, which isn't it's twenty

829
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Speaker 3: fifth in the league.

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Speaker 2: But the five point four yards per carry is dreadful?

831
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Speaker 2: Is awful? Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's a They averaged them as a

833
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: team themselves three point nine yards per carry.

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Speaker 2: That's where I was gonna go.

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Speaker 3: So it's one and a half yard difference, Yes, every

836
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: time the ball Jets were one yard difference And I

837
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Speaker 3: made a big fuss out of.

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Speaker 2: That just a week ago because that's a big deal,

839
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Speaker 2: big number, and one and a half is unheard of. Man,

840
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Speaker 2: it's crazy.

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00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: They also give up one and a half more yards

842
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 3: per catch. Yes, then they then they are great, but

843
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: it's not like it's not doing it on the ground,

844
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: Like right, every two rushing attempts you get a first

845
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: down against this Giants defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I don't know how you ever control.

847
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Speaker 3: I mean, Arthur Smith has to be drooling this week

848
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: watching this on tape.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you would think the Giants would. I have

850
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: to really study their tape. But I mean do they

851
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: change what they're doing, you know, and just sell out

852
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: versus I mean I would maybe done that if Fields

853
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: as a quarterback a couple of weeks ago now, which

854
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: is what changes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, When Naji Harris was having some of those down games,

857
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: and I said this, like, because teams are just attacking

858
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: the line of scripts, they don't fear the Steelers going deep.

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Speaker 3: I think I think Fields completed six of nineteen passes

860
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Speaker 3: of ten or more yards when he was out there.

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Speaker 2: That's not good though, no let alone twenty or more

862
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 2: really stacking you, you know right? I do think Harris

863
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: looks as good as he ever has. He's faster, he

864
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: makes people miss in space that don't even touch them,

865
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Speaker 2: or he just runs them over or runs them over.

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Speaker 2: And he still got that capability. He has a lot

867
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Speaker 2: to play for it. And like lab said, I don't

868
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: blame any one for putting it a little extra in

869
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: a contractor year. I would you know, anyone would I

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00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: think good for him. Everyone's benefiting from it. Then you

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00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: get Patterson back at some point too, just to kind

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00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: of take a week late.

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Speaker 3: Maybe this week, there's that opportunity, and so therefore you

874
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: you've got your three headed monster in the backfield again.

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00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, you'd love that field's legs. But I'll hand

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Speaker 2: it to those guys. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: They're the guys who are paid to run the football

878
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: and I don't have to.

879
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: Worry about them.

880
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: You know, they get hurt, it's not your quarterback.

881
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: The fact that Harris is making people miss they don't

882
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: touch them is astonishing to me.

883
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: And that that wasn't that's new. Or running away from tacklers,

884
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: that's new, you know. Yeah, the chunk runs. The chunk runs.

885
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: He has five runs already this season of twenty or

886
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: more yards. Yeah, I mean you probably saw it too.

887
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: But he reached fifteen miles an hour four times in

888
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: that game. That's a big deal for someone that big.

889
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: You know, like Breese Hall did it twice in that

890
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: game or something like that. That's one of the next

891
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: gen things they charted. Like, that's moving. If he's coming

892
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: fifteen miles an hour at you, you don't only get from

893
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: a mourner, right, I mean that's four sequels.

894
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: M A.

895
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of m and a.

896
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's not Derreck Henry like, but it's no.

897
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: But it's in the neighborhood.

898
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

899
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: If I'm a you know, one hundred and ninety pounds

900
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: defensive back, do I want to get in front of

901
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: that and get trucked?

902
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: No?

903
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: There are a couple of instances where the Jets flat

904
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: out didn't. Yeah, you just make a business. Raiders didn't

905
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: a lot. Would you?

906
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: Would you resign him after this year based on what

907
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 3: you've seen?

908
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: Strongly considerate? I mean, he would hate to hear this,

909
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: but slapping the franchise tag on him, it's a nice

910
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: thing to keep in your back pocket.

911
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: Right.

912
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me last week, what about can you slap

913
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: the franchise tag on Dann Moore? We can only use

914
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: it once? U it once and that one's twenty million

915
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: dollars and I would not do that. That's twenty million bucks.

916
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: You can't do that.

917
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: I would not. I would consider resigning Dan more. Definitely

918
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: have a good conversation with him. It's a really good

919
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: running back class.

920
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: But it'd be nice just to not worry about that

921
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: on draft day too, you would be if you can

922
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: get especially if we start trading picks for wide receivers

923
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: and things that you.

924
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: Might not have as many picks as you usually do

925
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: to Yeah, running back could be nice, you know, so

926
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: I would strongly consider it. I mean, if he finishes

927
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: the season in a similar fashion, I would at least

928
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: franchise him at eleven or so. Yeah. Yeah, then he

929
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: might not be thrilled with that, but it's okay. Yeah,

930
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: you know, to.

931
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: Your deal, you know, yeah, I mean I would, I would,

932
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, I would offer to your deal. And it

933
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: would have been six point seven million this year to

934
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: pick up the fifty year option. I don't blame them

935
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: for necessarily for not doing that, no, because it.

936
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: Has cost anymore.

937
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: A you didn't know what he was going to look

938
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: like in this particular offense because you were changing systems.

939
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: But be.

940
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: You know, it would guys get hurt. I mean, the

941
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: fact that it's guaranteed that you have to make that

942
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: decision so far in advance is a little bit of

943
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: a flawed system too, you know, like one in doubt

944
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: people are turning down fifty year options because yeah, chances

945
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: are something bad is gonna happen between now and then.

946
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: But he's not been bad in his first three seasons.

947
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: He's but he's been more valuable. I mean, I think

948
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: right now, if you were going to pick the team

949
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: MVP and say, all right, can't pick TJ what m hmm,

950
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: it might be, it might be Naugie Harris based on

951
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: what he has done and what he's He's had seventy

952
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: plus yards in every game this season.

953
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: He's the only back in the league that's done that. Definitely.

954
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: On offense, Cam Hayward's been Yeah, and we're talking about

955
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: Dextor Lawrence. Is I think Cam Hayward, Chris Jones, and

956
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence are the best defensive tackles in the league

957
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, you know.

958
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: I mean, and only two of them get to be

959
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: first first team All Pro true, true, But on offense

960
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 3: they'd be in a lot of trouble if Nause would

961
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: have not been around.

962
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 4: For the year.

963
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean, considering the other guys that have been in

964
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 3: and out of the lineup. And that's the thing about

965
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 3: Nause is that he is always available. He doesn't fumble. Yeah,

966
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: the reliability, the reliability factor is huge at that position.

967
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: It is.

968
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: He's good in protection, doesn't fumble, can be on the

969
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: field in third and long or third and short and

970
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: he doesn't miss times. Yeah, there's lots of lots for that.

971
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's get to a break that's going to do

972
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: it for our number one of the drive here on

973
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back with

974
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: our number two right after this.