WEBVTT - Part Two: How The U.S.A. Murdered Panama with Chelsea Manning

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<v Speaker 1>Mcast, Part two, Robert Evans Behind the Bastards, Panama, Chelsea

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<v Speaker 1>Manning guests, Chelsea, how are you doing? On several minutes

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<v Speaker 1>after we last off, Hey, how's it calling? Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still snowing, still snowing. It is not snowing here. The

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<v Speaker 1>snow apocalypse is is starting to end here. So I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to chat about something before we getting back into Panama.

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<v Speaker 1>I've become aware that the state of Ohio is advertising

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<v Speaker 1>on our podcast a lot about how how good a

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<v Speaker 1>place to move Ohio is. Well, that's because everywhere is Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>is it? It's all Ohio. It's a it's just Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>straight on down. I don't know. My experience in Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that there's something unique about Ohio. Maybe it's the

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<v Speaker 1>way the river repeatedly caught on fire in the seventies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well you know it's it's Uh, there's a vast conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>that has been keeping this from you, that every every

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere is Ohio. It's just all Ohios. Yes, well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually the greatest tragedy I can imagine. But I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not on the pro Ohio faction. Why why is

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio choosing to advertise on our podcast. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>think that a lot of are They're trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>people to start businesses in Ohio. Um, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why. I just didn't want anyone to think

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm a chill for Ohio. I'm this is a

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<v Speaker 1>firmly anti Ohio podcast. I was going to say, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to guess, according to Chelsea, means that we're

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<v Speaker 1>now anti the entire world. So because everywhere is Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we're gonna have to go full joker here.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you are in a nuclear stilo right now

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<v Speaker 1>listening to a podcast that you have saved on your phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we're now advising you to start the apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 1>So also, I just want the listeners to know that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I am now face timing with my

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<v Speaker 1>mom because Robert is only showing the top of his

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<v Speaker 1>forehead on the mid shot. I have to be in

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna Mac mansion right now and it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a good recording room. Shout out to my mom, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the best person. Petty bourgeois this is this is the

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<v Speaker 1>pettiest bourgeois place. I mean, that's PLAINO in a nutshell right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the land of thirty millionaires. Um, yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 1>where it is where all of your chips and all

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<v Speaker 1>of your your missile guidance systems come from my my

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<v Speaker 1>high school. Like most of the kids there's parents either

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<v Speaker 1>worked for Friedo Lay or Ray Theon. So, Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great place. In other words, Um, it's not Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready to dive into America's war on biology

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<v Speaker 1>in order to make Panama safe for white people? Quite

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<v Speaker 1>frankly no, but I think we're going to do that anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what Panama said back in the eighteen well

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time really, So when we last left Panama,

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<v Speaker 1>it was being turned in a canal into a canal

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<v Speaker 1>in order to further US financial and military interests. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about with the Suez Canal, which killed

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and twenty thousand people, building canals is a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible thing to do. You should never make canals. At

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<v Speaker 1>least they didn't have a biom to deal with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it was. It was about like Panama

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<v Speaker 1>was not as rough as Suez obviously, but was a

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<v Speaker 1>rough place to build a canal. Um, and the work

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be done entirely by non white people, whose desk

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<v Speaker 1>could be easily ignored by the United States, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is why they had to quest to make the canal

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<v Speaker 1>zone biologically safe, which mostly meant eliminating mosquitoes which could

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<v Speaker 1>cause transmit both malaria and yellow fever. Now, the man

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<v Speaker 1>put in charge of this Titanic effort was Dr William

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<v Speaker 1>Gorgeous born Gorgus I guess g O R g A S.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's pronounced gorgeous. Born in Alabama in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty four to an explosives expert, Young will grew

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<v Speaker 1>up obsessed with the military. He later admitted to skimming

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible just just so he could read all of

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<v Speaker 1>the battle scenes. William tried to enroll in West Point

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<v Speaker 1>as a young man, but he failed to make the cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead he went to Bellevue Medical School and then

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<v Speaker 1>joined the army as a doctor. He served on the

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<v Speaker 1>frontier during the Indian Wars, particularly in South Dakota, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he was stationed in Cuba. After the US invasion

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<v Speaker 1>in eight The Americans in Cuba ran into the same

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<v Speaker 1>problem that they would later hit in Panama, disease in

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba's case, this was yellow fever. Gorgas was point was

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<v Speaker 1>put in charge of the effort of ridding the island

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<v Speaker 1>of mosquitoes. His first task was to mandate that all

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<v Speaker 1>Havannah residents cover cover cisterns, which are like open pots

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<v Speaker 1>of water, or pay a fine. He devoted army engineers

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<v Speaker 1>to the task of filling in and eradicating all standing

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<v Speaker 1>bodies of water, and in about eight months Gorgons succeeded

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<v Speaker 1>in wiping out yellow fever in Havana. So it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like he was pretty good at this job of making

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<v Speaker 1>tropical islands and tropical areas safer for for white people

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<v Speaker 1>to live in uh and he was considered a natural

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<v Speaker 1>fit for the job of ending malaria in Panama. The

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<v Speaker 1>Canal Treaty the US had signed with some guy who

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Panamanian gave the United States the right to administer

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<v Speaker 1>annotation not just in the canal zone, but in all

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<v Speaker 1>Panamanian cities in any land the US might later decided

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to use for some reason. Gorgons thus became the

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<v Speaker 1>director of public health for the whole nation. In effect,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, so this treaty where we're like yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>could basically do what everyone in the canal zone. Leads

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<v Speaker 1>to us being able to put a guy in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of public health for all of Panama. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>say he's in charge of public health, he's not really

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of everyone's health. He's in charge of ensuring

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<v Speaker 1>public health of the white people in Panama. Right. His

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<v Speaker 1>first degree was that all man made bodies of standing

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<v Speaker 1>water must be eliminated. It turned out that the French

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<v Speaker 1>canal builders had started a practice of leaving open water

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<v Speaker 1>jugs at the base of their bed legs to keep

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<v Speaker 1>ants away, which probably explains why so many of them

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<v Speaker 1>died of malaria. The initial steps Gorge Gorgons took were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty reasonable, but things very quickly turned Authoritarian inspectors were

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<v Speaker 1>sent to enter every single home in Panama City in

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<v Speaker 1>Cologne to look for open barrels and jugs of water.

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<v Speaker 1>They did this on a regular basis, and violations were

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<v Speaker 1>punished by fines, so he makes like water police, basically

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that people are not creating breeding grounds

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<v Speaker 1>from mosquitoes. The bulk of u S efforts, however, were

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<v Speaker 1>devoted to an omnocidal war on nature in order to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the mosquito population, and I'm gonna quote here from

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<v Speaker 1>Emperors in the jungle. Much of the Sanitary Department's efforts

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the non human world by cutting down and

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<v Speaker 1>poisoning the environment in which insects and rodents lived. Puddles

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<v Speaker 1>of fresh water that formed without human aid made excellent

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<v Speaker 1>breeding places for mosquitoes. One of the methods employed to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate such breeding places was simply to do away with

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle. Many square miles of jungle in the command

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<v Speaker 1>in the Canal zone were cut or burned during the

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<v Speaker 1>construction period, wrote the Chief Sanitary Inspector in nineteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which increased evaporation from sunlight, shortened the mosquito season, and

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<v Speaker 1>enabled the sanitary soldiers to locate hidden water. It also

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<v Speaker 1>facilitated sanitary social control. Clearing made it impossible for the

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<v Speaker 1>negroes to throw containers into the tall grass or brush,

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<v Speaker 1>neither houses without detection. He added. Another important tactic is

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<v Speaker 1>to spread oil and other larva sides on all standing water,

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<v Speaker 1>which killed mosquito larvae by by depriving them of oxygen.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sanitary Department devised myriad ways to distribute the oil

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<v Speaker 1>from sprinkling cans to horse drawn oil barrels. At the

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<v Speaker 1>peak of this method, the sanitation men distributed sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand gallons of crude oil a month on the isthmus

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<v Speaker 1>As waters. So they are just pouring gasoline into fresh

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<v Speaker 1>water in order to kill mosquitoes, man versus nature. Winning

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<v Speaker 1>the wall. All the took was poisoning the thing we

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<v Speaker 1>need to survive with gasoline. Yeah. Now, as Gorgeous and

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<v Speaker 1>others pointed out, the importation of a large number of

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<v Speaker 1>foreigners who were not immune to yellow fever favored propagation

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<v Speaker 1>of disease, as the non immunes also became carriers of

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<v Speaker 1>the fever once it was introduced through even a single case.

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<v Speaker 1>The physical construction also radically disrupted the environment, leading in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases to malarial mosquito incubators of the kind that

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<v Speaker 1>Gorgus's sanitation department was opposing fines on Panamanians to eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>the canal. We're itself was constantly creating the most desirable

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<v Speaker 1>places for the same great biological purpose were, wrote Gorgus's widow.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time a steam shovel made a deep hole, water

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<v Speaker 1>would almost immediately collect, and the anopolies malarial mosquitoes would

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<v Speaker 1>at once seek such a depression as a breeding ground.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen twelve, for example, the suction dredgers employed to

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<v Speaker 1>deepen the canal Ditch and Gatton pumped immense quantities of

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<v Speaker 1>saltwater and silt into the jungle, killing the trees and vegetation.

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<v Speaker 1>The resulting mass of dead matter generated a swamp that

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<v Speaker 1>attracted swarms of an afolies mosquitoes. As a result, the

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<v Speaker 1>death rate from malaria in nineteen o six was higher

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<v Speaker 1>than it was for workers from the French Canal effort

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<v Speaker 1>from eighteen eighty eight to nineteen o three. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of fascinating things about how badly they funk up.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them is that they focus all these authoritarian measures,

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<v Speaker 1>basically building a police force to punish black people from

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<v Speaker 1>leading jugs of water, while at the same time they're

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<v Speaker 1>creating these massive miles long mosquito incubators by digging these

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<v Speaker 1>holes which fill up with water, and by poisoning huge

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<v Speaker 1>chunks of jungle and turning them into swamps. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>like they're blaming they're both blaming the mosquitoes having a

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<v Speaker 1>place to breed on black people having jugs of water

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<v Speaker 1>without covers and they're creating land for mosquitoes to breed

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<v Speaker 1>in order to build this canal. It's pretty rad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And what what I what I think is fascinating is

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<v Speaker 1>just like looking at the looking at the map here,

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<v Speaker 1>like the garden locks are like the shortest section of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire Like they have to make this huge cut

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<v Speaker 1>through the mountains on the on the east side, but

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<v Speaker 1>on the west side they have like this very short thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like it's it's biologically treacherous, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got it's got all the standing water everywhere. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a fascinating situation that I didn't realize, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I I assumed because I'd heard as a kid that

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<v Speaker 1>like the Panama and Al bunch people died from Lariay.

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<v Speaker 1>It assume as just because there's a ton of malario

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<v Speaker 1>malarialist mosquitoes like in in the area. I didn't realize that,

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<v Speaker 1>like number one, we brought a out of the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with malaria there by both like the kind of people

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<v Speaker 1>we imported to build the canal, and by the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we made breeding grounds and we like poisoned the

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<v Speaker 1>jungle with salt water and created a rotting swamp that

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<v Speaker 1>the mosquitoes would love, like I I yeah, I assumed

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like yeah, it was just always really

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous before modern medicine to build stuff in Panama and

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out like no, no, no, yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>bad engineering, like we made it so dangerous, which is

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<v Speaker 1>rad now. It's worth noting Chelsea that yellow fever and

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<v Speaker 1>malaria were the only diseases that US occupiers concerned themselves

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<v Speaker 1>with fighting, despite the fact that pneumonia actually killed more people.

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<v Speaker 1>From nineteen o six to nineteen o seven, pneumonia killed

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<v Speaker 1>twice as many workers as malaria, but nine of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who died of pneumonia were classified by the US

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<v Speaker 1>as colored, and thus their deaths were considered acceptable. Gorgus

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<v Speaker 1>and his men were taught were tasked with fighting tropical diseases,

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<v Speaker 1>and in European medical literature at the time, the definition

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<v Speaker 1>of a tropical disease was a zase that affected white

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<v Speaker 1>people in the tropics. That's that's and that's interesting that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is interesting. It is yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun, but it's also interesting, like yeah, just it

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<v Speaker 1>never like you know, like in terms of like how

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<v Speaker 1>it was like how these things were classified. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that like that that it was literally

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<v Speaker 1>down to so it's sort of like it was. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like it's sort of like black lung from

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<v Speaker 1>like being exposed to like construction dust too. Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was both the dust and there was another factor

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<v Speaker 1>in like why the pneumonia was so bad, Like obviously

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<v Speaker 1>like the construction by a product, all the oil and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that's everywhere has an impact. Also, these colored you

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<v Speaker 1>know generally black Caribbean canal workers were bringing brought brought

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<v Speaker 1>into Panama live in these filthy converted box cars where

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<v Speaker 1>they sleep six dozen to a room and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>mosquito screens, right, and they often had to use jars

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<v Speaker 1>and bottles as their bathrooms because the actual houses were

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<v Speaker 1>distant and like across a swamp or something. Um so,

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know this is again how the the

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<v Speaker 1>the black Caribbean employees are being treated. All white employees

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<v Speaker 1>received furnished departments in the cities and they probably just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even get a proper diagnosis for like for like

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<v Speaker 1>basic bacterial infections. No, of course not. And this and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a pre penilla. This this is pre penisilla too,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not all on the Some of the difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>with treating it is they don't really know how. But

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they don't care about these people's comfort

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<v Speaker 1>or sanitation is why pneumonia spread so much. And they

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<v Speaker 1>also don't care about pneumonia because it's not hurting white people, um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. Uh. And the reason and there was

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<v Speaker 1>like this was not just taken for granted. They spent

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<v Speaker 1>time to justify why white workers needed furnished departments while

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<v Speaker 1>black workers could live in these like filthy, crowded box cars. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason that white people needed a more comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>living situation was to stave off degenerate. So there were

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<v Speaker 1>two schools of medical thought about how the tropics affected

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<v Speaker 1>white people at the time. One school believed that tropical

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<v Speaker 1>climates were inherently and specifically toxic to white human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>As one doctor named Balfour wrote, there are those who

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<v Speaker 1>believe that it is very doubtful if the white man

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<v Speaker 1>can accomplish manual work out of doors under true tropical conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>and that if he tries to do so, he will

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<v Speaker 1>assuredly degenerate. The settlers should drive machines rather than do

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<v Speaker 1>work with their own muscles. And these people form the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of modern medicine. Yeah, yeah, it says a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just bad to be in the white it's toxic

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<v Speaker 1>just the white people. Now. Another school of medical thought

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, championed by men like Gorgons, believed that

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<v Speaker 1>white people could live in the tropics given proper sanitation

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<v Speaker 1>and segregation to quote, keep their blood pure. Children who

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<v Speaker 1>were blought to the tropics were thought to be put

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<v Speaker 1>at risk by contacts with the natives, which Navy Surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>General still claimed is apt to have a detrimental effect

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<v Speaker 1>upon children's moral and mental outlook. Now this is so

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<v Speaker 1>much worse than I think. I really bleak. Oh my god. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that we're building to the story of how

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<v Speaker 1>the US exported Jim Crow to Panama. So one store

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<v Speaker 1>one solution to the problem of like that it's dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>for uh white people to be in tropical conditions for

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<v Speaker 1>too long was to give white workers regular extended vacations

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<v Speaker 1>back north, a privilege which was not extended to non

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<v Speaker 1>white laborers. The perceived vulnerability of white people in the

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<v Speaker 1>tropics was also used as a justification for why hard

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<v Speaker 1>manual labor should be done only by black and indigenous workers.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting in nineteen ten, the international frenzy over phrenology reached

0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the canal zone. Doctors started to collecting autopsy data on

0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:55.240
<v Speaker 1>dead canal workers to answer questions quote concerning certain racial features.

0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.320
<v Speaker 1>They noted brain weights, skull thickness, cephalic index, skull shape,

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.080
<v Speaker 1>and homicide or altercational tendencies, and they broke these down

0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.680
<v Speaker 1>based on race. As a result of this data, Tropical

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<v Speaker 1>doctors concluded that so many black people died violently on

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<v Speaker 1>the canal project died because they were crushed by machinery

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<v Speaker 1>or something you know, as opposed to death and disease.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided that this this was so common with black workers,

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<v Speaker 1>not because of poor safety measures or because of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that black workers were used to do all manual

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<v Speaker 1>labor because it was considered dangerous for white workers, but

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<v Speaker 1>because black workers were genetic genetically had quote a striking

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<v Speaker 1>lack of appreciation for a dangerous environment. So the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>so many of them are getting crushed by machinery isn't

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<v Speaker 1>because we're the they're the only ones that we have

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<v Speaker 1>doing this manual labor, and because we have no safety procedures.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because their brains aren't capable of understanding dangers. Good

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<v Speaker 1>stuff real, this is it's very bleak. Uh yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>was a rough read. That book Emperors in the Jungle

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<v Speaker 1>is a fucking bleak read. Now, the dangers of the

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<v Speaker 1>tropics for white people were not seen as a reason

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid colonizing tropical climates by everyone. At least Gorgons

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<v Speaker 1>and many like him were convinced that settlement in South

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<v Speaker 1>America would allow white people to avoid overpopulation in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, but first tropical disease needed to be eliminated.

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<v Speaker 1>This would quote enable man to return from the temperate

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<v Speaker 1>regions to which he was forced to migrate long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and again live and develop in his natural home, the tropics.

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<v Speaker 1>In his book, John Lindsay Poland notes an implicit premise

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<v Speaker 1>was that those already living in the tropics were not men,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a good point from John Lindsay Poland. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the repeated failure of Gorgus and I know I'm pronouncing

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<v Speaker 1>his name differently every time, but fuck him. The repeated

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<v Speaker 1>failure of Gorgus another tropical doctors to actually defeat the

0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.160
<v Speaker 1>diseases they were trying to fight lead them to one

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<v Speaker 1>inescapable conclusion their failures were the result of black people,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Like we're not going to admit that we

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up fighting mosquitoes. It's got to be the act

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<v Speaker 1>of all of these people that we have imported into Panama.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's there's layers of horrific stuff going on. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really deep. You have terraforming, you have a terraform project

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<v Speaker 1>and an ethnic cleansing and a sort of subjugation like

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<v Speaker 1>program all at the same time. And it's like and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like being medicalized. It's like being like given like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like uh like just like just like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like being in trans and sort of the trans community.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, you know, like you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a gate keeping doctor to like determine all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things and all these made up things that

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<v Speaker 1>are based upon the predispositions of the doctors who are

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<v Speaker 1>writing it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a layer cake of bigotry. Like the sediment of racism

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<v Speaker 1>in this is very complicated and deep um, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is rad uh personally that it's such a complex

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<v Speaker 1>level of horror. I am not going to use time not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say that. Yeah, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's obviously horrific um, which is why we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. So I'm gonna quote from Emperors in

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<v Speaker 1>the Jungle because that book has a very good passage

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<v Speaker 1>on how Gorges and his fellow doctors blamed the black

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<v Speaker 1>Caribbeans that they were bringing into Panama for the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that their disease control measures failed. What was needed, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Dalla phrase Curry, a Canal Zone health officer in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties, was a sanitary conscience, a set of

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<v Speaker 1>internalized rules that both individuals and nations could follow. But

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<v Speaker 1>while whites might be perceived as reliably civilized and obedient

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<v Speaker 1>to sanitary regulations, West Indians and that's those are black Caribbeans.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they called him this period, as West Indians

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<v Speaker 1>were seen as disturbingly negligent as elsewhere in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>the enforcement of sanitation among the negroes as a gigantic task,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote William Deek's director of the Medical Service during the

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<v Speaker 1>Construction era. As long as he has a roof over

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<v Speaker 1>his head and a yam or two to eat, he

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<v Speaker 1>is content, and his idea of personal hygiene is on

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<v Speaker 1>par with his conception of marital fidelity in these circumstance,

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<v Speaker 1>and says only physical segregation would protect whites from black

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.359
<v Speaker 1>carriers of disease which could establish reservoirs and infected West

0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Indians living in the bush. So, yeah, just a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of bigotry here, Like the entire US project in

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<v Speaker 1>Canal is is it's just racism all the way down.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's it's you can't over emphasize how

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<v Speaker 1>bigoted it is and stays until the fucking nineteen nineties. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably why it's not in American high school textbooks.

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<v Speaker 1>I just heard we built a canal and Teddy Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 1>was there. Yep, Yeah, didn't hear any of this. So

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<v Speaker 1>during the construction of the canal, which took place from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen o four to nineteen fourteen, black people made up

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<v Speaker 1>at least three out of every four workers, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of these people were imported from the Caribbean, an act

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<v Speaker 1>which permanently changed the racial dynamics of Panama. Using public

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<v Speaker 1>health and sanitation as a justification, The US then imported

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<v Speaker 1>Jim C Laws to Panama as well, effectively creating a

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<v Speaker 1>massive new racial underclass in that country. Most white people

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<v Speaker 1>had no contact with their black co workers outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the jobs. Indigenous Panamanians endured somewhat less oppression, but the

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.600
<v Speaker 1>United States still considered them unworthy of having any say

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in the canal that was being cut through the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of their country. Panama was seen as a seedy, dangerous place,

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and its people were inherently criminal and unreliable. One American

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<v Speaker 1>writer at the time described the country as a hideous

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<v Speaker 1>dung heap of physical and moral abomination. A US congressman

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<v Speaker 1>called the black population of Panama, which the US had

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<v Speaker 1>brought there in the first place, to be of no

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<v Speaker 1>more use than mosquitoes and buzzards. And again, these are

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<v Speaker 1>the people doing three quarters of the work to build

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<v Speaker 1>the canal. Uh, We're such a good country, really nailing

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<v Speaker 1>it forever. So the legacy of segregation in Panama began

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<v Speaker 1>at the express command of the United States, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is still with Panama today. As we will discuss later,

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<v Speaker 1>the nation was independent on paper, but it was a

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<v Speaker 1>colony and all but name, and the US acted quickly

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<v Speaker 1>and brutally to stifle anything that's smacked of independence. Panama

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.440
<v Speaker 1>initially had its own military, a small group of two

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.480
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty men led by General Estemon Huertas, a

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<v Speaker 1>former Colombian officer and a hero of the Panamanian independence movement.

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<v Speaker 1>He was competent and beloved, but not willing to have

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<v Speaker 1>his beloved nation exists purely for US profit. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o four, when canal construction had just begun, he threatened

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<v Speaker 1>to revolt due to the United States' treatment of his people.

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<v Speaker 1>U S diplomatic representatives advised the Panamanian president that he

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<v Speaker 1>should fire the general, and U S Marines went in

0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and disarmed his forces. Panama's army was disbanded and did

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<v Speaker 1>not reform for half a century. Yeah, so we just

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of that army. Were like, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>if these people have an army that that might be

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<v Speaker 1>a problem for us doing whatever we want in Panama.

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Let's just let's just xnay on the snarmy. A. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not great at pig Latin. Hey, it's a pulling

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 1>up Paul Wolfowitz. Yeah, yeah, they got wolf of Witz. Good. Ye, Like,

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll just disband this army and this police apprise. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean unlike in Iraq. There's only two fifty of

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:20.280
<v Speaker 1>these guys, So yeah, it's a lot easier, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is the same basic idea, you know. So the US

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<v Speaker 1>was extremely active in asserting its influence over Panamanian politics.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighteen, the president died suddenly and Panama announced

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<v Speaker 1>an indefinite postponement of elections. U S troops occupied the

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<v Speaker 1>cities in US General Richard Blatchford basically became the dictator.

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<v Speaker 1>This was never called what it was officially. The Panamanian

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.679
<v Speaker 1>state had just delayed elections, but the reason for it

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<v Speaker 1>all was World War One. The US could not afford

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<v Speaker 1>to let the Panamanian people decided to do things that

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 1>might complicate the war effort. Of course, once he had

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<v Speaker 1>total unchecked power, Blatchford immediately exceeded his mandate and decided

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on the elimination of prostitution. Sex work was

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<v Speaker 1>legal in Panama at the time, but Blatchford thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was ikey, and he had all the guns. I don't

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 1>like it, Yeah, I don't. I don't like it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part of my job to stop now. He also

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't like drinking, and he decided to close the bars

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>that served US troops as he wrote back to Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States has ridded the Panamanians of the evils

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>of yellow fever, which it hadn't and why should it

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.240
<v Speaker 1>not rid them of the greater curse, which is, of

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<v Speaker 1>course alcohol. Blatchford was unsuccessful in forcing prohibition on Panama.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll imagine that especially with soldiers. They're like in Marines.

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<v Speaker 1>He did briefly succeed in getting the country to ban

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<v Speaker 1>opium bars and opium or banned bars and opium dims

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>from serving US soldiers um, but he did not shut

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>them down throughout the entire country. As John Lindsay Poland writes,

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<v Speaker 1>their prohibition remained an effect until Armistice Day in November,

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.440
<v Speaker 1>when hundreds of soldiers broke away from the bases on

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic after months have enforced abstinence, and stormed Cologne

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 1>as a mob. That night, Blatchford mounted a podium in

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Balboa Stadium to condemn the occurrence, but instead of acknowledging

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the soldiers carnel behavior, he condemned Panama City and Cologne,

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 1>suggesting maybe renamed Sodom and Gomorrah. He wrote afterward to Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>if Sodom and Gomorrah were in existence, today, they would

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<v Speaker 1>probably sue me for slander. It's the fall of these

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>damn Panamanians that American soldiers want to drink in horror,

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a thing American soldiers have never done anywhere else never,

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<v Speaker 1>It's never happened. It's never happened to every single installation

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<v Speaker 1>that we've ever had. I mean, it's it's not it's

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<v Speaker 1>literally the thing that every group of soldiers throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>entirety of world history has always done. The age bracket

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>of of sex of sixteen to twenty five year old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are asking these people to die for you,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't ask them not to drink and horr. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it like it's it's they've done it

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<v Speaker 1>for forever. But Blatchford blames Panama and it's uniquely sinful

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>nature for corrupting these American boys who stormed the city

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 1>in a mob. It's pretty great. So eventually Panama got

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to have its elections again, and the fiction of autonomy

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>continued until nineteen A massive renters strike had erupted in

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Panama City among a population of twenty thousand unemployed black laborers.

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Most of these men had been brought to Panama to

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<v Speaker 1>work on the canal, and when the construction finished, the U.

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<v Speaker 1>S had said basically just abandoned them to figure out

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>their own ship in the middle of an economic depression

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that hit Panama after the canal was finished. Because of segregation,

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>they were only able to live in certain neighborhoods, and

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>their housing was uniformly squalid and ll maintained. Property owners

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>announced written hikes that June, and several labor unions formed

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>a renter's league to boycott rent. There were regular protests

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 1>over evictions, and on October tenth, a peaceful demonstration was

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 1>met with gunfire by Panamanian police, who killed two people.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>The crowd took action and swarmed the streets, shutting the

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>city down by clogging every major artery of transit. The

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Panamanian president begged the United States for help, and we

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 1>sent a battalion of six U S Marines into the

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 1>city with bayonets. Fixed. The protesters initially fled, but later

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 1>that night a gathering. The gathering as symboled around the

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>burial of one of the slain protesters. U S troops

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.199
<v Speaker 1>showed up there and after a confrontation, charged into the

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 1>crowd with bayonets and stabbed three people to death. US

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>newspapers portrayed this as a reasonable response to radical extremists

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>who could not be reasoned with. The New York Times

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 1>neglected to talk to any protesters. Instead, their coverage focused

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>around the captain and passenger of a luxury cruise ship

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>docked in the city at the time. They quoted the

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 1>captain as saying, the nucleus of a revolution is a

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>bottle of rum to half breeds and a negro armed

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>with rifles and machetes. Solid journalism. Who should we talked

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to you about this at all? Who should we talk

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.360
<v Speaker 1>to about the fact that our soldiers stabbed three protesters

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>to death by a cruise ship? It was clearly just

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>whoever was drinking next to the New York Times reporter

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>on that boat. What do you think about this? I

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>gotta file something m h SO. As a rule, US

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 1>intervention in Panama tended to fall into one of two

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>categories interventions in order to further specific US foreign policy

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>goals and interventions made on behalf the Panamanian elite who

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 1>ruled the country on the US government's behalf. This was

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>got done with Gusto, the head Army general in Panama,

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 1>William Lasseter actually requested permission to stay in Panama City

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>after the conclusion of the rent strike in order to

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>oversee the massive viction of thousands of tenants. He was

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>overruled by the State Department. So the Canal Treaty that

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Roosevelt had overthrown a government to get was never much

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>more than a convention convenient fiction. The US basically did

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>whatever it wanted in Panama, regardless of whether or not

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the treaty gave it a right to do so. We

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>expropriated or stole land from Panama. On nineteen occasions from

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen o eight to nineteen thirty one. The US military

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>would take land that we decided we wanted for some reason,

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and we would notify the Panamania the Panamanian authorities later,

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>no compensation was ever given. The land was necessary in

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>order to allow the US government to expand its military facilities.

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Panama was used as a base for Latin American interventions

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>throughout the twentieth century. Our old friends Smedley Butler was

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>based there during his two trips into Nicaragua to put

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>down political movements that were seen as counter to u

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>s interests. YEA, Panama was also the initial Piteu. Yeah,

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I heard of that guy. He would he would He

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>was based there whenever he would go into Nicaragua to

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>kill people. Um. Panama was also the site for the

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>School of the America's where the US train tens of

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>thousands of Latin American soldiers and more than a dozen

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>future dictators, including Panama's own future dictator, Manuel Noriega. We

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>will be chatting about in just a little bit of Timerigat.

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>You got to take one of those things. Speaking of

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Manuel Noriega. You know what, Manuel Noriega loved capitals of cocaine,

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>but also the products and services that you can buy

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.959
<v Speaker 1>as a result of trafficking cocaine. And speaking of traffic

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>in cocaine, here's some ads. Uh, we're back, and Sophie

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>has just informed me that we are not actually sponsored

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>by cocaine. This is going to radically change the direction

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of the show. Yeah, this is I'm gonna have to

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 1>recalibrate here. So let's let's get back to Panama now.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>We just we're talking about Manuel Noriega in the School

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>of the Americans and we will get back to Manuel

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Noriega in just a little bit. But first Jelsey, how

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>do you feel about chemical weapons? How do I feel

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a chemical weapons? Yeah? Are you a big chemical weapons stand? Well,

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there's varying degrees of chemical weapons, and

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they're all bad. There are varying degrees of bad chemical weapons,

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and the US tried all of them out in Panama,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>which was its chemical weapons testing site for decades. So

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I take it, I take it. We're talking about HC now,

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about everything up to and include VX nerve gas. Yeah. So,

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>starting in the thirties, we were like, chemical weapons are awesome.

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>World War One was a hoot. We're going to use

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.959
<v Speaker 1>these things more in the future. I wonder how they

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>work in tropical clim um. So we decided we wanted

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to know how this ship worked in tropical climates, and

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>since we owned Panama, it was the natural place to

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>dump chemical weapons into. General William Siebert, a World War

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 1>One veteran and quote a staunch advocate of all forms

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 1>of chemical warfare in his own words, was made director

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Army's chemical weapons program. From a write up

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and so this is a true harbor stand Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>he loves he loves Old Fritz, who was also a

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Bastards Pod alumni. Yeah, the man who just couldn't get

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>enough of making chemical weapons. So I'm gonna quote from

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a write up titled test Tube Republic, Chemical Weapons Tests

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>in Panama and US Responsibility. After the war, Sibbett became

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a vocal proponent of the continued development of chemical weapons.

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>When armies were provided with masks and other defensive appliances,

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>something less than four percent of gas casualties were fatal.

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Sibbert ruminated these figures, I think meet one of the

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>chief objections brought against the use of gas that of humanity.

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>So far from being inhumane, it has been proven that

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>it is one of the most humane instruments of warfare,

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>if we can apply the word humane to the killing

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and wounding of human beings. Barely anyone dies in this

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff when they have gas masks, so it's cool. Yeah.

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And the kind of unstated corollary to that is that

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>barely in a Europeans actually died from chemical warfare once

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>people got gas masks and stuff. Chemical weapons were regularly

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>used on colonial populations, particularly in Ethiopia, by the Italians

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>who didn't have access to that. So Sibert was basically

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>saying it's humane and that it can't kill that many

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>white people. It's it's pretty good, pretty good stuff. So

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen one, the Chemical Warfare Service was told to

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>draw plans for defense of the canal zone and other

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>outlying U S possessions. The first chemical defense plans were

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>thus drawn up in nineteen twenty three, and would be

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 1>updated every year through at least ninety six. The plan

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>involved bombing with mustard gas the trails and routes that

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>led inland from landing beaches on both the Atlantic and

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Pacific coasts, spraying the beaches, and find firing chemical mortars

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>at military targets as well. So our plan was, if

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>anyone invades the Panama Canal, we just dubbed chemical weapons

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>all over Panama in order to make it uninhabitable. So

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam doctrine, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean this was

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of where that idea started. Let's just murder the

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>jungle in order to make it impossible for it the

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>enemy to live here. Yeah. So US chemical weapons tests

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>continued for decades well after US forces in Panama faced

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>any threat of invasion. Huge chunks of jungle on San

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Jose Island were regularly exposed to mustard gas and folst

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>gene gas just to see what would happen. Munitions were

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>stored in open topped buildings exposed to the elements UM

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, they're like, so they just kind of left

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>this stuff there, and they would drop tens of thousands

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of chemical bombs on particularly San Jose Island, and about

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>one ten of these weapons failed to detonate and they

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>were just left where they landed to be a problem

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 1>for future generations. And when the Army left Panama, we

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>just told them we'd taken all of the chemical weapons,

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>but thousands of bombs were left behind on these islands

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>that we just kind of were like, maybe they'll figure

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it out, maybe they won't UM, which is rad Starting

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties, VX nerve gas mines were tested

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and each of these mines contained a ten point five

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>pounds of v X. Since ten milligrams is a fatal

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>human dose, this means that each one of these mines

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>had enough poison to kill half a million people. We're

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>just kind of detonating these in the middle of the jungle,

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>seeing what happened. It's pretty cool. Yeah, Now, most of

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the research the Army conducted in Panama sounded less like

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>advancing the frontiers of science and more like the kind

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of ship board Nazi scientists would have gotten up to.

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Goats and rabbits were fitted with various gas, masks and

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>gas just to test the effect efficacy of the weapons.

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 1>One witness said they brought goats from Ecuador. They put

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>those gases on them. The skin fell off the animals,

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 1>they died, and they ended up cooked. The animal was

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>red red like it was cooked burnt. An US experiments

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>did not say limited to non human animals. The United

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>States partnered with the Canadian government to investigate whether or

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>not different ethnicities were affected differently by chemical weapons. Puerto

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Ricans and Caucasian human beings were gassed alongside each other

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to see if any differences arose. Medical historians Susan Smith

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>explains scientists were trying to understand the impact of mustard

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>gas on people. They thought there was a possibility that

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>some racial groups are less sensitive to mustard gas. It

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>turned out not at all to be true, Smith told

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Chemistry World. With the military, testing involved, among other things,

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>the aerial release of mustard gas over soldiers via airplanes

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>in order to later examine and compare their blisters and

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 1>other injuries. Now, in PR actually tracked down a bunch

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of the men involved in these race based experiments. They

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>found that, in addition to Puerto Ricans, black Americans, and

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Japanese Americans were all gassed just to see if there

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 1>were racial differences and how they respond. My god, all

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>of the gas subjects were enlisted men, and white soldiers

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>constituted the control group. And this is I guess, one

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>situation in which people of all races suffered equally, because

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>again everyone responds the same way to poison gas. Imagine

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 1>that it does sound it does It does say a

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>lot that it does say a lot about the United

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.959
<v Speaker 1>States and Britain. That basically, like all of these things

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>were pre you know, like all the things that are

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>we associate with, like Nazi Germany, We're being done thirty

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 1>years earlier, yeah, and him twenty years later. We keep

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>doing this until nineteen sixty eight. Like, yeah, it's it's

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 1>pretty great. I'm gonna quote from NPRS right up on this.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>All of the World War Two experiments with mustard gas

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>were done in secret and weren't recorded on the subject's

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>official military records. Most do not have proof of what

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>they went through. They received no follow up healthcare or

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>monitoring of any kind, and they were sworn to secrecy

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>about the tests under threat of dishonorable discharge in military

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>prison time, leaving some unable to receive adequate medical treatment

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>for their injuries because they couldn't tell doctors what happened

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to them. Army Colonel Steve Warren, director of Press Operations

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>at the Pentagon, acknowledged NPRS findings and was quick to

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 1>put distance between today's military and the World War Two experiments.

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>The first thing to be very clear about is that

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the Department of different it was a different time. Yeah,

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the Department of Confenced does not conduct chemical

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>weapons tests any longer. And I think we have probably

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>come as far as any institution in America. We didn't

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 1>even have a Pentagon built, So I think particularly for

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>us in uniform, to hear and see something like this,

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>it's stark. It's even a little bit jarick. It is

0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit jarring. Yes, more than a hundred experiments

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>were conducted by on human beings on San Jose Island.

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Lopez Negron, now years old, was one of the test suspects,

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>and it is one of the only surviving ones. He

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.800
<v Speaker 1>was bombed with mustard gas by a plane. He told

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>NPR we had uniforms on to protect ourselves, but the

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>animals didn't. There were rabbits. They all died. I spent

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 1>three weeks in the hospital with a bad fever. Almost

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>all of us got sick. It took all of the

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>skin off of your hands. Your hands just rotted. Pretty

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>good stuff there. Now, Negron was technically a volunteer, but

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>he but he like he'd been asked to serve as

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>a guinea pig, and he technically had the right to

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>say no, but he did not feel like saying no

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>was an option because he was a black man. N

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>PR rights defiance was unthinkable, he says, especially for black soldiers.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 1>You do what they tell you to do, and you

0:37:52.880 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>ask no questions. He says, cool stuff. Yeah, US chemical

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>weapons test in Panama stopped in nineteen sixty eight, and

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>again we just kind of left everything sort of where

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.959
<v Speaker 1>it was when we finally let Panama be a sovereign nation.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 1>We were doing it because we we had we could

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>test it in Vietnam instead. Yeah, we just left it

0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>behind there too, like just an uncountable number of deadly

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 1>weapons we just left sitting on an island, and we're like, yeah,

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>we took everything, we cleaned up, it's fine. There are

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>people who tried to build resorts on San Jose Island

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and kept finding like chemical weapons. It was it was

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>a real problem, um, And we lied to the Panamanian

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>government about this. We have mostly cleaned it up now.

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I think in two thousand eighteen was the last time

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I was able to find a U. S C. B

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>r N Army unit being sent to San Jose to

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 1>disarmed chemical bombs. Um. But it took up until like

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago for most of that stuff

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to be cleared off. And there's probably still some bombs

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>lying around on the island. You know. We couldn't have

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>gotten everything, and they had to. There was like a

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>series of investigations and and like legal cases around it.

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I found an article in two thousand one where journalists

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>went there and just was like picking up chemical munitions

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that were covered in rust and was like, oh, this

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.399
<v Speaker 1>is a VX nerve mine that just didn't go off,

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>that's filled with enough poison to kill. Yeah. Um, So

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the end of the US domination of Panama started as

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a result of things that happened on January nine, nineteen

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 1>sixty four. There had been protests over US violations of

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Panamanian sovereignty for years at this point. In nineteen fifty five,

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Dwight Eisenhower was forced to make concessions and give back

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 1>some of the land the US had stolen, but he

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>refused to negotiate on the portion of the U S

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.879
<v Speaker 1>treaty that gave US the canal in perpetuity. Demonstrations grew

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>in intensity throughout the late nineteen fifties. One major cause

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>was the fight for Panamanians to have the legal right

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to fly their flag in the canal zone. Things seemed

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to be improving when JFK took office. He recognized that

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the U S had kind of been fucking over the

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Panamania in people for decades, and he told the country, yeah,

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>he was. He was, you know, open to negotiating with

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>them about concessions. Even sovereignty of the canal was on

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the table. This may have been part of the reason

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that Bernard Sanders shot Kennedy dead in nineteen sixty three.

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>When JFK took office, the issue of US sovereignty over

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the canal was still technically on the table, but lb

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>J was never going to do that. To be honest,

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>JFK probably wouldn't have either. UM and the even discussion

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>of US sovereignty being given up over the canal enraged

0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of US citizens and I'm gonna quote from

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 1>American heritage here, any hint of concession worried the ultra

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>patriotic U. S. Citizens who lived and worked in the zone.

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy's declaration that the U. S. And Panamanian flag should

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>be flown together at all non military sites prompted Zonian students,

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 1>with the encouragement of adults, to raise the stars and

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>stripes outside of Balboa High School on January seventh, nineteen

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>sixty four. The teenagers guarded the flag for two days

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>before a group of two hundred Panamanian students marched from

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.359
<v Speaker 1>nearby Panama City intent on raising their own banner. During

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the ensuing scuple, the Panamanian flag was torn. Thousands of

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>angry Panamanian citizens took to the streets, forced their way

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>into the zone, and attacked American owned businesses. The canal.

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Zone police were overwhelmed and the U. S. Army took over.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Responding to the violence with tear gas and rifle fire.

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Ascanio Aros Ascanio Arosamina, a twenty year old student on

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 1>his way to a movie, stopped to help evacuate some

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 1>of them wounded. He was shot dead. Now, as you

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 1>might expect, uh, this marked sparked more protests or more demonstrations.

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Protesters rallied at what they called the Fence of Shame,

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>which is a name I might have to steal. At

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 1>some point, one Columbian leader compared the fence to the

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Berlin Wall, which is obviously embarrassing to the US. At

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>this point, Panama broke off diplomatic relations with the United

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>States on January tenth. There were demands that the US

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>hand over the canal entirely. U s and Panamanian soldiers

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 1>exchanged gunfire for days. At one point, Americans hosed down

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>an apartment building and a tempted to take out a sniper. Instead,

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 1>they killed an eleven year old girl named Rosa Landecho.

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>So pretty bad, pretty bad time. And by the way,

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>this date um which is January nine, nine four, is

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>still a holiday in Panama to this day because of

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>like this fight over the flag and all the deaths

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that results from it. The violence continued for four days

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.320
<v Speaker 1>while lb J negotiated with Panamanian leaders. He stoutly refused

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to make concessions under the threat of force. Eventually, Panama

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>called in their national guard and quelled the unrest. The

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Canal Zones Governor Robert Fleming started pressing Washington to sign

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.720
<v Speaker 1>a new treaty, telling d C quote, the plain fact

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>is that we must begin treating Panamanians as people. Wow.

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So the US governor of the Canals and was like, yeah,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>we got it. We gotta guys, we gotta treat these

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 1>folks like human beings. Otherwise we're gonna continue having problems here.

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Someone had to say that. It's pretty remarked. Couple. So yeah,

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>after you know, so that the governor of the canal

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, we have to finally start treating Panamanians as people. Um.

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:12.360
<v Speaker 1>And three years of negotiations follow that, but little actually

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>gets done. There's resistance from Americans and from elite Panamanians. Right.

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the Panamanians in charge want the US

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to stay because the US have been consistently they're armed

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 1>enforcers right, um, and they fight every effort at giving

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Panama full sovereignty over the canal. The continued failure of

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>these efforts in the decades of violent oppression eventually generated

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 1>enough anti American sentiment to allow for a revolution against

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the v She government. In nineteen sixty eight, a Panamanian

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>National Guard officer named Omar To Riho seized power and

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 1>replace the old order with a populist government committed to

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>getting a better deal for Panama. But even this moment

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.240
<v Speaker 1>was not quite what it seemed because omar To Rijos

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 1>was a long time US military asset. He had been

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>recruited as a spy in nineteen paid twenty five dollars

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a month to inform the US on labor unrest, student activities,

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and Soviet Chinese penetration. During the nineteen sixty Flag Riots,

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Trio's helped to suppress the popular unrest. One U S

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>military intelligence operative even helped him plan his nineteen sixty coup.

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>So Torio's was a U S asset, but he was

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>also willing to push for Panamanian control of the canal.

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Um So he's a complicated figure and he's viewed by

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 1>as a hero still by a lot of Panamanians because

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>he he is a committed committed to the Panama getting

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>control of the canal. Um And by the way, basically

0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>everyone with any power in the Panamanian National Guard is

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a US military asset, and they don't all always do

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>what the U S says, So it's always more complex

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>than just he was getting paid to be a spy.

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:44.359
<v Speaker 1>He's still like, has desires outside of US desires, which

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 1>is why certain things happened that happened later. So real

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>talks over Panamanian sovereignty of the canal took place during

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.919
<v Speaker 1>President Jimmy Carter's term. Rio's lucked out that his time

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>in power happened to coincide with the election of the

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>only vaguely reasonable man for elected president of the United

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>States in nineteen seventy nine. It basically the last moment

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 1>such an act of baseline decency would have been possible

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>from the United States. Carter and to Rijo signed and

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>ratified a new Canal treaty. This promised a total handover

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of the canal to Panama by the end of nine

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>So that's good, right, we took a medicine. It's almost

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>a century, but we did something that resembled the right thing. Eventually,

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 1>after a lot of death, yeah, and after profiting off

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:33.439
<v Speaker 1>of it for nearly a century. Still a canal zone. Yes,

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 1>because the CIA was not happy about it. And remember

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the nineteen seventies. CIA and Latin America

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 1>was just the c I a s CIA to ever CIA,

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>they promptly tried to overthrow to Riho's and they failed

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>thanks to the efforts of a National Guard officer who

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 1>substantly rose to became Omar Tario's right hand man, Manuel Noriega. Now,

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and by the way, Noriega was also a U. S.

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Army spy asset for years, stuck back in the fifties. Now,

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a running this is a running

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:08.839
<v Speaker 1>theme in the US intelligence. It's amazing. So when the

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.359
<v Speaker 1>CIA failed to unseat Rio's by blatant and shameless coup,

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 1>they decided the right thing to do was to ingratiate

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>themselves with Noriega, who they correctly judge was a man

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>with no principles. Noriega rose to become Panama's chief of

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 1>military Intelligence. At the same time he became a salaried

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>CIA asset. He would eventually receive well over a million

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 1>dollars for his work with the agency. Noriega would later

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>claim that his work with the CIA was Torrio's idea

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>in order to keep a quote open line of communication

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>with the agency that might stop future coatips as if

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 1>there there is. There's one common theme in US history,

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and that is especially intelligence history, and that is that

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>we were the there's this tendency to arm your future enemies,

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.439
<v Speaker 1>to arm and train, and this tendency that we see

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>in Syria, right but with you know, kind of the

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 1>differences between the CIA backing what they call the moderate rebels,

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 1>in the Defense Department backing Rojava this and it's the

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>same thing happening in Panama where the Army's got its

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>people and the CIA has its people, and sometimes they

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 1>overlap and sometimes they're asked to do different things by

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>both groups. Because one of the things I think that

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>has missed on a lot of left wing analysis of

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>like the CIA and the military is that they do

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>often hate each other. Oh yeah, like they're fighting as

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>much as they are working together. Um so yeah. Noriega

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>claims that he omar to Rios told him to be

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>a come up paid CIA asset so that he could

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>stop future coup attempts. And if this sounds like it

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 1>might be a lie. That's because Manuel Noriega was a

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 1>was a consummate liar. Now, one of Noriega's gigs for

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the CIA was to maintain an open line of communication

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 1>with Fidel Castro. Because the CIA had repeatedly tried to

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>kill Castro and because the US refused to publicly deal

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 1>with the communist country, all communications between the two, which

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>they obviously still had, needed to take place in back channels,

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 1>and for a while, Noriega was one of the u

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.319
<v Speaker 1>s back channels to Castro. Now more than anything, though

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Noriega was a cocaine man, probably one of the most

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 1>prolific cocaine traffickers in history, the CIA was happy to

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 1>ignore his drug dealing as long as he remained their

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 1>man in Panama. This was largely because the CIA had

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>plans for Panama, and Night had plans and planes, and

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 1>they involved planes in cocaine. Yeah and yeah, Well, we'll

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>do a whole episode on the on the crack epidemic

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and the cocaine trade and the CIA and the d

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>e A at some point, um, but this all intersects

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>with it. Now. By nineteen eighty one, oh more, or

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty one, Omar to Rios died in a

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>tragic plane accident that was almost certainly orchestrated by the CIA.

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 1>We don't know, but everyone suspects it, and it's very

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 1>much in line with ship the CIA did repeatedly in

0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>this period of time. So probably we don't know, but

0:48:56.120 --> 0:49:00.080
<v Speaker 1>we don't not know. We do not know, And it's

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>not like it's it's not like character. That's the kind

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>of gray area that that intelligence operations, uh, fluidly operated. Yeah,

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 1>you can't prove we did this even though it you know,

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>we've done the same thing to other people, and you

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>know we would benefit from it. So Yeppie, you know what,

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I also don't not know. I don't I don't know

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:31.760
<v Speaker 1>where I'm going with this. Don't you know who won't

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>assassinate the leader of Panama? I don't know. Those Ohio ads, Yeah, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually Ohio would absolutely because they're always trying to make

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 1>more Ohio. We can, but everything is already Ohio, terrible, terrible. Well,

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:57.279
<v Speaker 1>don't move to Ohio and check out these ads. All right,

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>we're back. We're back, and we're shipped talking Ohio. But

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 1>now it's time to ship talk, which in which we

0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>all live, in which is which is the world? Um?

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 1>All right? So whatever the truth of Omar Tario's assassination

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 1>actually is, and again it's probably the CIA killed him.

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>The political climate and Panama suddenly improved for the United

0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 1>States after his death. I imagine that John Lindsay Poland

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>writes Panama support included the use of its territory for

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.240
<v Speaker 1>joint military maneuvers and covert training, use of US basis

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.759
<v Speaker 1>for logistical supply and intelligence flights to El Salvador and Honduras,

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and training of troops from the region. In the School

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:37.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Americans were more than eighteen hundred Salvadorian soldiers

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>took courses in combat tactics, intelligence, logistics, and other military

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 1>subjects from nineteen eight two to nineteen eighty four. According

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to Dwayne Claric, who was the chief of the Latin

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>America Division of the Central Intelligence Agency, Noriega helped the

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 1>CIA set up a short lived trading camp for the

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Nicaragua's contract for the Nicaraguan Contrast Southern Army in nineteen

0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>eighty three. Noriega also provided all Over and North with

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a pair of militians experts who helped blow up ammunition

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 1>storage dump in Managua, Nicaragua in March of nineteen eighty five,

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:09.919
<v Speaker 1>which rocked the capital, So we use the ship out

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of Panama in this period of time. In nineteen eighty four,

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 1>massive and sweeping electoral flow fraud led to the election

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>of President Nicolas Ardito Barletta, a close friend of US

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State George Schultz, who attended his inauguration and

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:26.399
<v Speaker 1>went on to invest huge amounts of money and time

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:30.960
<v Speaker 1>into the NOS. That that's George Scholtz. Yeah. In nineteen

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>eighty four, after sweeping electoral fraud, Panama elects a president

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>who is the close buddy of the U S Secretary

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of State. And this guy is basically just a puppet

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 1>for Noriega and for the United States UM And as

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:48.840
<v Speaker 1>a result from nineteen eight in nineteen eighties seven, Panama

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 1>received more than forty seven million dollars in US military

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.759
<v Speaker 1>equipment and training, three times would have received in the

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.760
<v Speaker 1>preceding thirty years. The goal of all this was twofold,

0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to turn the Panamanian National Guard into a US loyal

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 1>force and to ensure the men who rose through its ranks,

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and thus we're in a position to seize power if needed.

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Were sympathetic to US goals. Now that the US had

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>picked had its picked man Noriega in an advanced position

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>with the army, and had a whole bunch of promising

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>young officers who received US training in a doctrination, we

0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>were more or less happy to let Panama have an

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.840
<v Speaker 1>army again. The National Guard transitioned into a proper military

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>force in nineteen eighty three. Noriega was its first chief,

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and that same year, nineteen eighty three, he became the

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 1>de facto military dictator of Panama. So again we elect

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a president to be a puppet man who's the friend

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of our Secretary of State. But Noriega is effectively in

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:40.919
<v Speaker 1>charge of the country, and he was by no means

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the legitimate leader of Panama through anything but brute force

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in US support, and we were fine with this. At first.

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>There were constant complaints in Washington over his rampant cocaine trafficking,

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>but the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, who paid

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 1>him at least a hundred and sixty two dollars during

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:59.919
<v Speaker 1>this period, successfully question to keep him safe. Yeah, real

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.359
<v Speaker 1>seems kind of low. So, I mean, yeah, it's about

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>arranged d I A double dipping is a popular is

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a popular thing among among US informants. Yeah, yeah, he's

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's getting money from the CIA and from the

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 1>from the d i A, which is really the way

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 1>to do it, which compete Yeah, which compete um. And

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>they are the ones who keep him safe from like

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, which is the

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 1>precursor to the d e A. And in fact, the

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs had known Noriega

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>was a massive coke trafficker since at least nineteen eight

0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 1>seventy two, when they attempted to, or they pushed to

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>assassinate him, which is a thing we used to let

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 1>them do. It's just like assassinate for leaders for drug trafficking.

0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:48.879
<v Speaker 1>UM probably still do. But again he's kept safe consistently

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 1>by his backers, first in the Army, then in the

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:54.799
<v Speaker 1>CIA and the d i A. So in nineteen eight five,

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the Reagan White House received intelligence reports that Noriega had

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>met with cartel leaders and given them permission to manufacture

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>cocaine and Panama. Noriega had also offered to mediate turf

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:08.359
<v Speaker 1>arguments among different cartels. Norman Bailey, a staff member, at

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the National Security Council later said of the Reagan administration's

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.000
<v Speaker 1>dirt on Noriega, this wasn't a smoking gun. It was

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a twenty one gun salute. But things were fine for

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Noriega until the end of nineteen eighties six, when the

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Iran contra scandal burst onto the news and North Americans

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.640
<v Speaker 1>learned that our government had been selling missiles to Iran

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>in order to fund death squads in Nicaragua, which of

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>course had been trained in Panama. This was explicitly forbidden

0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>both by an arms embargo against Iran and by the

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Bowland Amendment, which made it illegal to fund the contrast.

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<v Speaker 1>This what made what Reagan and his cronies did at

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>least light treason, but like treason, a separate skittle for

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 1>a separate podcast. Yeah, we'll talk about that at some

0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>point too. Because Reagan was Reagan, the fallout was relatively

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>minor compared to the crime. Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, the

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Dodes Bagman, and CIA director William Casey were forced out

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Yeah, really good at destroying the evidence. If

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 1>you need evidence destroyed, Bill Casey's your motherfucking guy. Yeah.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:15.280
<v Speaker 1>And if you need a show hosted on Fox News,

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Oliver North is apparently your man or destroying uh the

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>largest uh you know, the reputation of the largest uh

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:28.360
<v Speaker 1>gun lobby group a group of the country. Yeah, Ali,

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:33.839
<v Speaker 1>what a great man, Ali North? Um so North. This

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 1>was a problem, the fact that North and Casey are

0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.120
<v Speaker 1>out of their jobs following a rand contra, because North

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:41.799
<v Speaker 1>and Casey had been Noriega's main points of contact. It

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.359
<v Speaker 1>had been them and George H. W. Bush had been

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:46.959
<v Speaker 1>the guy's most responsible for defending him from the rest

0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:50.880
<v Speaker 1>of the government over his cocaine trafficking. So once they're out,

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Noriega's in deep ship and things get worse and worse

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 1>for him throughout. Panicked by his loss of support, he

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 1>cut off ties with the medaine cartel in death spiration.

0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>This was not enough to stop him from getting indicted

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>by Grand Juries in Miami and Tampa in February of night.

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 1>The US placed economic sanctions against Panama, and the goal

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 1>at this stage was to force the Man from power

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 1>from beginn From the beginning, though SOUTHCOM, the US military

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 1>command in Latin America, had plans in place for an

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 1>invasion of Panama, more U S forces were sent into

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:26.720
<v Speaker 1>the country to prepare now. The sanctions against Noriegas Panama

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.399
<v Speaker 1>did what sanctions always do. They harmed poor people by

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 1>making it impossible for them to get basic necessities without

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>actually harming the people in charge. Noriega was not forced out.

0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.319
<v Speaker 1>In fact, the sanctions made it easy for him to

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 1>declare a national emergency and grab more power. The sanctions

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.719
<v Speaker 1>also provided Noriega with a prime opportunity to flood the

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 1>airwaves with nationalists saber rattling. It was not hard for

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 1>him to get many Panamanians on his side against the

0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 1>US for reasons that should be obvious based on the

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 1>rest of these episodes now. During his run for Congress,

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 1>candidate George H. W. Bo was criticized heavily for the

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 1>fact that, as CIA chief and Vice president, he had

0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:08.080
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly acted to protect and use Noriega. This history was

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>a problem for old George. But if you're a good

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 1>politician like George H. W. Bush, you know that within

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.280
<v Speaker 1>every problem is a solution. The month that Bush was

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>elected to was elected president, Newsweek published an article titled

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the Crack Nation, And I'm going to quote from Emperor

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and the Jungle about how this all gets tied to Noriega.

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>The article was focused on that country in our midst

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>but not a part of US, and distinct from people

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 1>of normal human appetites. The Newsweek's nine stories made abundantly

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.200
<v Speaker 1>clear who the residents of this crack nation were, and

0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.960
<v Speaker 1>they were nearly all black. If crack users truly represented

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a nation, surely that nation's sovereignty would have to be

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:52.560
<v Speaker 1>violated to address the danger. The article did not say

0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>whether Latin Americans were purposefully deploying cocaine to destroy the

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lives documented on previous pages, but it did call on

0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the new administration to make some hard decisions and asserted

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 1>that America's cocaine problem in fact, has been caused by

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the Colombian cartels and their US based accomplices. Attacking the

0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:15.040
<v Speaker 1>enemy high command is a good strategy, So suddenly George

0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Bush has a way out of this problem. Yeah m hm.

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 1>As crack cocaine spread through American cities, the media latched

0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 1>onto the problem and succeeded in turning what was a

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>problem but a localized problem, into an absolute hysteria. In

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty nine, the New York Times published an average

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 1>of a hundred and one stories about drugs per month,

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:39.000
<v Speaker 1>three times the rate they'd published in nineteen. Drugs, particularly crack,

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>were referred to as a plague and a foreign scourge.

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Breathless op eds worried about crack use crossing over, crossing

0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>over from black neighborhoods into affluent white ones. Now there

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.320
<v Speaker 1>was no evidence that this occurred because rich white people

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 1>used cocaine. But rich white people needed a reason to

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>care about crack that didn't make them care about poor

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 1>black people, and worrying that it was going to hurt

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>their children in mansions was the way to do that.

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Time called the crack epidemic a plague without boundaries, and

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 1>as John Lindsay Poland writes, quote, a plague that respects

0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:15.160
<v Speaker 1>no sovereignty would have to be met with comparable methods.

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:19.480
<v Speaker 1>So if the crack epidemic can spread everywhere, then US

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 1>forces are justified in going into any place, even sovereign nations,

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 1>in order to fight the crack epidemic. Source. Yeah, go

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to the source, which you might argue with the CIA,

0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:36.920
<v Speaker 1>but in may, not that far, not that far, go

0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:40.840
<v Speaker 1>up to the guy they're paying who isn't an American citizen.

0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:45.720
<v Speaker 1>So in May of nineteen eighty nine, Noriega suspended Panamanian elections,

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 1>using the emergency caused by U S sanctions as a justification.

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 1>This led to mass protests and the Organization of American States,

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>which is like a group of Latin American states that

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>is designed to be kind of an overarching diplomatic organization,

0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.000
<v Speaker 1>put together a mediation to him to go to Panama

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<v Speaker 1>and try to find a solution, maybe to try and

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way to get Noriega to peacefully leave

1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:09.080
<v Speaker 1>power and into the crisis. The US did not think

1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:11.560
<v Speaker 1>that this was mediation was the thing to do, so

1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:14.120
<v Speaker 1>instead they sent in two thousand soldiers and a Delta

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<v Speaker 1>Force commando team. Now, these troops and special forces were

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<v Speaker 1>on special orders from President Bush to travel on Panamanian

1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:27.479
<v Speaker 1>public roads and ignore Panamanian army checkpoints. The explicit goal

1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:31.760
<v Speaker 1>of this policy was to provoke confrontations between Panamanian soldiers

1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:35.080
<v Speaker 1>and US soldiers. Now, when number of clashes followed, and

1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:36.880
<v Speaker 1>at first none of them rose to the level of

1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>deadly violence, but that was President Bush's goal. He wanted

1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a fight between the Panamanian and US militaries to justify

1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:46.320
<v Speaker 1>further interventions in the country. So it didn't look like

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:48.960
<v Speaker 1>we were just invading a sovereign nation. You need a

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:53.080
<v Speaker 1>dead American serviceman really if you're gonna like truly fux

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<v Speaker 1>some ship up. So while all this is going on,

1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Noriega was doing standard dictators ship. He sent his soldiers

1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:03.880
<v Speaker 1>after the vice presidential candidate, a guy named Guerrimo Ford,

1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and he sent a lot of his supporters, and his

1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:10.320
<v Speaker 1>supporters killed Ford's bodyguard, and suddenly all these images Afford

1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:14.760
<v Speaker 1>with blood sprayed across his white shirt went viral internationally. Now,

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:18.720
<v Speaker 1>because Noriega was a populist, he had kind of He's

1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:20.920
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of time messaging to the most downtrodden

1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:23.560
<v Speaker 1>people in Panama, which were, of course, the dark skinned

1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:27.440
<v Speaker 1>descendants of Caribbean workers imported by the United States. Because

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<v Speaker 1>he did ship for them, he was seen as standing

1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:32.640
<v Speaker 1>up to the United States, and so they supported them

1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:36.000
<v Speaker 1>because he helped them out and because they hated the US.

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<v Speaker 1>So the video of this attack, which every US news

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<v Speaker 1>network played for days, showed a crowd of very dark

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<v Speaker 1>skinned people attacking Ford, who, as a wealthy Panamanian, was

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<v Speaker 1>a white man. So you see how this plays on

1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the news. You've got this crowd of dark skinned Noriega

1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:56.320
<v Speaker 1>supporters beating a white man in the streets, and every

1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.280
<v Speaker 1>US broadcaster plays this footage over and over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>referring to this crowd of angry people as government goons,

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<v Speaker 1>These people who are angry because of U S sanctions

1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:08.360
<v Speaker 1>that have materially affected their lives, and angry because they

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<v Speaker 1>see Ford as an asient of the US government. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But it works in the American news, right, it builds

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of race war narrative that is really helpful

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<v Speaker 1>in drumming Americans up for violence. So the media stokes

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<v Speaker 1>multiple cycles of outrage playing this alongside footage of Noriego

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<v Speaker 1>waving a machete, which is like a thing in Latin America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like there's a lot of cultural weight to the machete,

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<v Speaker 1>right that everyone, Yeah, Bolivar, it's a tool of revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a tool of daily life. But again, when

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<v Speaker 1>you have this clip of this crowd of Noriega supporters

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<v Speaker 1>called government goons, attacking Ford in the streets, and you

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<v Speaker 1>switch to Noriega waving a machete, it presents this image

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<v Speaker 1>of Panamanians again as savages like they've been presented in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen hundreds under Roosevelt. Right, it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>basic tactic, and it's the same in a lot of cases,

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<v Speaker 1>the same news organs that are are pushing this This

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<v Speaker 1>information pundit started yelling at George H. W. Bush for

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<v Speaker 1>not acting to intervene. They called him a wimp. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is there's a ton of jokes and like early

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday Night Live about George Bush being a wimp and

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<v Speaker 1>it's because he's not doesn't invade Panama fast enough. When

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<v Speaker 1>all this footage starts going viral on the news, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good, pretty good stuff, Like George Bush is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a bad guy in this story, but by god, he

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<v Speaker 1>is not the only one. Um. Nope, Yeah, it's pretty cool. So,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, all of this manufactured Consett manifest that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. In the documentary, The Panama Deception does

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<v Speaker 1>a great job of just cutting together. There will be

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty different like clips from different primetime news segments,

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<v Speaker 1>all using the same phrase government goons to refer to

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<v Speaker 1>this mob um and there's a bunch of different kids

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<v Speaker 1>because they got the same memo. Now, of course, throughout

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<v Speaker 1>all of this pressure to deal with the crack At

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<v Speaker 1>epidemic was also a building. In nineteen eighty nine, President

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<v Speaker 1>Bush made his first televised speech. He focused on the

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<v Speaker 1>crack epidemic and held up a baggy of the drug

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<v Speaker 1>that he said had been purchased from a black drug

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<v Speaker 1>dealer across the street from the White House. This was

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<v Speaker 1>technically true. What was left unsaid was that the d

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<v Speaker 1>e A had deliberately pushed the dealer to meet them

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<v Speaker 1>in Lafayette Park, far away from where he normally did

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<v Speaker 1>his business, so that Bush could claim it had been

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<v Speaker 1>bought within sight of the White House. That's the story

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<v Speaker 1>for another day, though for now, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>repeat something John Lindsay Poland wrote about this whole episode. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The speech illustrates how internal ethnic minorities had become politically

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<v Speaker 1>expendable props in the drug war at the time. Now

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<v Speaker 1>An ABC poll taken after the speech found that six

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<v Speaker 1>of respondents believed drugs were the most important problem facing

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. A few days later, Panamanian soldiers attempted

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<v Speaker 1>a coup against Noriega, which he put down with as

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<v Speaker 1>much bloodshed as you would expect. More pundits called George

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<v Speaker 1>Bush a whimp. The President had been willing to ruin

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<v Speaker 1>a young black citizen life for political theater, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was about to prove that he would be happy to

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<v Speaker 1>do much worse to foreigners in advancing the same goal.

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<v Speaker 1>General Colin Powell, at that point, chairman of the Joint Chiefs,

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<v Speaker 1>later told Bob Woodward that he had never witnessed a

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<v Speaker 1>political fight as ugly as the debate over whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not to invade Panama. He said he felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>political class was acting as a lynch mob. War fever

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<v Speaker 1>was as high in the United States as it could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be, and within the military itself it was damn

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<v Speaker 1>near boiling over. In nineteen eighties seven, it had become

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<v Speaker 1>clear to even the most dedicated Cold Warriors that the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>S R Was not long for this world. This meant

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<v Speaker 1>an end of the Cold War, and thus an end

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<v Speaker 1>to the billions and billions that the US had spent

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<v Speaker 1>funding death squads and dictators in Latin America under the

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<v Speaker 1>guise of anti communism. The people doing this, murdering and

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<v Speaker 1>receiving these funds did not want to stop. Colonel John D. Wiggelstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who coordinated the U. S. Military intervention in El Salvador

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighties seven, wrote that the military needed to

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<v Speaker 1>find quote a weapon with which to regain the moral

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<v Speaker 1>high ground we appeared to have lost. He suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>a melding in the American public's mind and in Congress

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<v Speaker 1>of this connection between the drug trade and insurgency would

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<v Speaker 1>lead to the necessary support to counter the guerilla and

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<v Speaker 1>narcotics terrorists in this hemisphere. Those church and academic groups

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<v Speaker 1>that have slavishly supported insurgency in Latin America would find

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<v Speaker 1>themselves on the wrong side of the moral issue. Pretty fun,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a yeah, there's a there's a lot going on here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun when you say, but it all leads, But

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<v Speaker 1>it all leads in one direction. It does lead in

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<v Speaker 1>one directly. And what he's talking about we chatted about

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<v Speaker 1>the sum in the School of the Americas. There are

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of Catholic churches are very supportive of

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<v Speaker 1>left wing insurgents in Latin America in the sixties and

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<v Speaker 1>seventies because the right wing death squads are so fucking brutal,

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<v Speaker 1>and because there's like a strong social justice component, two

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of Catholic theology. And this really pisss off the

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<v Speaker 1>Americans because it means that US backed groups keep murdering

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<v Speaker 1>nuns and raping nuns in mass and that looks really

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<v Speaker 1>bad in the media, and it's led to a degradation

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<v Speaker 1>in like US support for the military in Latin America.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the idea is that if we tie the

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<v Speaker 1>drug war to these left wing insurgents, if we blame

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<v Speaker 1>it on them, nobody likes drugs. They're the ultimate evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Just forget about the contrasts for a second. Forget about

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<v Speaker 1>the contrasts for a second. Think about crack. Now. By

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<v Speaker 1>all accounts, the strategy was a staggering success. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, Congress made the Defense Department the single lead

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<v Speaker 1>agency in the federal government for the detection and monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>of drug trafficking in the hemisphere. This, yeahn't that cool?

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. They should be the ones doing that now.

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<v Speaker 1>This explains why a lot of folks at the top

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<v Speaker 1>in the military wanted war with Panama. But outside of

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<v Speaker 1>high command, war fever was just as strong. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was largely because in the decades of relative peace since Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States had developed a whole panoply of high

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<v Speaker 1>tech killing machines that we had never had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to test out stuff like Apache helicopters, Abram's battle tanks,

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<v Speaker 1>stealth bombers, and a whole bunch of Neto rocket launchers

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<v Speaker 1>and new precision guided bombs. Troops and commanders were unbelievably

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<v Speaker 1>horny to try this stuff out. One American general even

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<v Speaker 1>admitted in an interview, we are mesmerized with firepower. We

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<v Speaker 1>have all these new gadgets, laser guided missiles and stealth fighters,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are just dying to use that stuff. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>that's a problem their excuse to use that. Within a

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<v Speaker 1>few years they will be using yeah, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>turn out none of it really helps when ship gets that. Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>So their excuse to use that stuff came in December

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of some of the soldiers Bush had

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<v Speaker 1>ordered to drive around on Panamanian roads being jackasses and

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<v Speaker 1>doing exactly that. The facts of the story are that

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<v Speaker 1>on December sixteenth, four American officers and civilian clothes in

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<v Speaker 1>a private car were stopped at a Panamanian checkpoint point

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<v Speaker 1>close to PDF headquarters. They had gotten lost downtown, or

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<v Speaker 1>so they claimed. A conflict arose at the checkpoint, and

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S soldiers drove through the checkpoint without approval,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Panamanians opened fire, killing one soldier and wounding another.

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<v Speaker 1>The Defense Department alleged that the men were unarmed and

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<v Speaker 1>that they had been harassed by Panamanian soldiers, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they had been We don't really know what happened. We

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<v Speaker 1>know what the Defense Department says has happened, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that other soldiers had been given orders to ignore checkpoints.

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<v Speaker 1>And Furthermore, as the l A. Times reported the killing

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<v Speaker 1>of a U. S Marine lieutenant by Panamanian forces last December,

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<v Speaker 1>an event used by President Bush in part to justify

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<v Speaker 1>the invasion of Panama, was not the unprovoked active aggression

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed by the White House, according to American military and

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<v Speaker 1>civilian sources. Instead, it was a step in a pattern

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<v Speaker 1>of aggressive behavior by a small group of US troops

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<v Speaker 1>who called themselves the hard Chargers, and who frequently tested

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<v Speaker 1>the patients and reaction of Panamanian forces, particularly at roadblocks,

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<v Speaker 1>the sources said. And of course the Pentagon denies this.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the story. Now. You can decide what you

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<v Speaker 1>want to believe there. Whatever the truth was present, Bush

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<v Speaker 1>immediately gave orders to invade, and invade. We did. The

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<v Speaker 1>US launched its attack on Panama a December twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. It would be the bloodiest war on Panamanian

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<v Speaker 1>soil in ninety years. The United States owned the most

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<v Speaker 1>advanced and deadly military apparatus and human history. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>we had tens of thousands of soldiers and marines, extensive

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<v Speaker 1>air and naval support, and armored vehicles. The Panamanian military

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<v Speaker 1>numbered three thousand men. Needless to say, US forces tore

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<v Speaker 1>through them with basically no resistance. Most of our air

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<v Speaker 1>assets and artillery focused on shelling heavily populated areas. The

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<v Speaker 1>Panamanian military headquarters was located in the mostly black and indigenous,

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<v Speaker 1>densely peopled El Tario neighborhood. The US gave ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of warning for these people to abandon their homes and possessions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then leveled the entire neighborhood with high tech weaponry

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<v Speaker 1>from the sky. This marked the first time the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar F one seven A stealth bomber was deployed.

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<v Speaker 1>In that the stealth bomber was invisible to radar, which

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter because Panama did not have r did not

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<v Speaker 1>have any radar, could have used a blimp. Americans had

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<v Speaker 1>been assured that the bomber was incredibly accurate, able to

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<v Speaker 1>drop bombs down chimneys and avoid collateral damage. In reality,

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<v Speaker 1>it missed its bombing target by more than three hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a huge rain. Yeah, it's three football fields, which

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<v Speaker 1>is again every time, that's a half a bad square. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime someone in the military too says the word precision bombs,

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<v Speaker 1>they're lying to you. Such a thing has never been invented.

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<v Speaker 1>I say that as someone who has watched the United

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<v Speaker 1>States bomba city with my own eyes. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>precision bombs. We have bombs that are more precise than

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know guys in were one dropping them out

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<v Speaker 1>of a cockpit, but it is not very precise. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that that like three yards is huge. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's half a group. That's like a third to half

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<v Speaker 1>a grid square. That's you don't like like like whatever

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Whenever I think like precision, I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, a tenth of a grid square, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a hundreds like ours, that's pretty good. Three is a

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<v Speaker 1>wide miss. Yeah, and we didn't find that out. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>be better off, you know, World War two bomber pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And one of the things that's happening here

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<v Speaker 1>is the US Press court that's supposed to cover this

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<v Speaker 1>is embedded with the Defense Department, who they're only getting

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<v Speaker 1>the best, and the Defense department make sure they arrived

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<v Speaker 1>several days late, so they missed the fighting. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of journalists, including a local Panamanian journalists who

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<v Speaker 1>are there and who we get some reports from because

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<v Speaker 1>they're there during the fighting. But the mainstream American press

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<v Speaker 1>corps doesn't arrive until later, and of course they receive

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<v Speaker 1>a gated tour of all of this, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>the initial reports from Panama are just talking about, oh

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<v Speaker 1>precision our weapons are, and like they're able to strike

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<v Speaker 1>this building and leave all of the buildings around it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can look at footage of Alt Tario neighborhood around

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<v Speaker 1>the painting and Panamanian defense. It's leveled. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>they just wipe this place off the face of the

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<v Speaker 1>fun precisely limited this entire grid square where all of

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<v Speaker 1>the poor people live, where all of the black and

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous residents live. Um now wealthy neighborhoods were avoided and

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<v Speaker 1>preserved during the US invasion, and in fact, when US

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<v Speaker 1>forces entered Cologne, they found that business owners in the

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy shopping district had shot three looters dead. Obviously, when

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<v Speaker 1>the fighting starts, people who are starving under U S

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<v Speaker 1>sanctions start looting, business owners shoot them dead, and the

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<v Speaker 1>US forces allow these men to keep their guns and

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<v Speaker 1>even send in soldiers to help protect these business owners

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<v Speaker 1>from people who are starving due to sanctions. It's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>fucking cool. Um, I'm gonna quote again from Emperors in

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle. The impoverished community of San Miguelito was also

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<v Speaker 1>bombed across the town at Punta Patila. Wealthy Panamanians watched

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<v Speaker 1>the invasion from their condominiums and expensive high rises at

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<v Speaker 1>near my petit Lea Airport, Navy seals were ordered to

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<v Speaker 1>undertake a risky operation to disable Noriega's personal jet at

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<v Speaker 1>close range to avoid damage to nearby residences from crossfire.

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<v Speaker 1>Four seals lost their lives in the operation. No such

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<v Speaker 1>care was taken with a PDF headquarters next to El Jarillo,

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<v Speaker 1>where U S forces bombed from the air. Their tracer

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<v Speaker 1>bullets and flares contributed to the conflagration that incinerated the

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<v Speaker 1>community and many people who were trapped inside. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the rich neighborhood, when we're trying to disable Noriega's plane,

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<v Speaker 1>we send a Navy seals and we lose a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Navy seals taking out his plane so that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to damage the wealthy people's houses. But in Elcheria,

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<v Speaker 1>where people are poor, we just fucking level it. Pretty bad,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad, pretty bad, Chelsea. But it's not the good

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<v Speaker 1>imagery that you know. It's it's it's it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>for a good good CNN. Yeah, this is not what

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Jennings talks about at the time. Now, today, the

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Department officially recognizes five hundred and sixteen deaths, mostly civilian,

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of us A actions in Panama. An

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<v Speaker 1>internal Army memo put the death toll it more than

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand. Central American Human Rights Commission estimates between two

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<v Speaker 1>and three thousand dead, and I've heard estimates of about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five hundred. You have to expect a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>thousand is the likely death toll? Yeah, yeah, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean yeah, definitely more than the United States is willing

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<v Speaker 1>than the do O D is willing to admit. And

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<v Speaker 1>those deaths were just the start. More than eighteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>Panamanians were rendered homeless by the invasion. More than five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand Panamanians were detained on suspicion of being potential insurgents

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<v Speaker 1>and put in concentration camps. There are multiple allegations, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which have been substantiated heavily, that US forces executed

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<v Speaker 1>civilians during the occupation. Mass graves were dug and filled

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<v Speaker 1>with corpses and would be uncovered for years afterwards in

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<v Speaker 1>Panama City. And then this is a tiny country, very

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<v Speaker 1>small place. Um. And the mass graves suggest that the

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<v Speaker 1>d D undertook extensive efforts to hide the ath told.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these corpses are found in handcuffs with bullets

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of their skulls. Um, it's bad, It's

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<v Speaker 1>very bad. What happens in Panama? Um? And again Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>messed up stuff. Six days in Panama. Yeah, yeah, simple, quiet, peaceful,

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<v Speaker 1>little war. Noriega went on the run. Of course, soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>searching for him found materials used in Santa Ria, a

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<v Speaker 1>popular religion popular in the Caribbean. The military, prodded by

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<v Speaker 1>the d D, used this to suggest that Noriega supportives

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<v Speaker 1>were devil worshippers. The military claimed that a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten pounds of cocaine was also found in what they

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<v Speaker 1>called Noriega's witch house. The Los Angeles Times particularly bought

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<v Speaker 1>into this and wrote in one article that's of blood,

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<v Speaker 1>animal in trails, a picture of Adolf Hitler, spike heeled shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>more than a hundred pounds of cocaine all were part

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<v Speaker 1>of the bizarre scenes encountered by American troops as these

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<v Speaker 1>storms Noriega's inner sanctum. Basically, now, Chelsea, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>guess with that hundred and ten pounds of cocaine? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>was I gonna guess sugar or something to Molly's, to

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<v Speaker 1>Molly's um. It took a month for us to find

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<v Speaker 1>out that it was to Molly's. That he just had

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<v Speaker 1>a house full of to Molly's. And the animal gets

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<v Speaker 1>were probably because they were, you know, like gutting and

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<v Speaker 1>preparing animals to eat. Anyway, the lie served its purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Noriega was effectively made into a demon, awful enough that

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<v Speaker 1>whole neighborhoods had to be leveled in order to catch him,

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands slaughtered. The fact that Noriega never managed to

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<v Speaker 1>do as much damage to Panama as the Bush administration

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<v Speaker 1>had done went onset, and as did the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the invasion gave the United States what it wanted. The

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<v Speaker 1>Panamanian military was destroyed, and under negotiations with the new government,

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<v Speaker 1>the US got the right to maintain their military presence

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<v Speaker 1>in Panama. After all, Panama didn't have a literry anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were going to need protection. Convenient. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's basically the end of the story. You know, eventually

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<v Speaker 1>the US pulls most of its stuff out of Panama.

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<v Speaker 1>It takes another kind of people would forget about Panama. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and people forget about Panama. Noriega dies in US custody

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eighteen. I think, um, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the story of the US and Panama. Horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm prad being American, where at least I know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm free. I hated that so much. Yeah, well, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have any plugables for US? I do have

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<v Speaker 1>a Twitter account, it is Twitter dot com forward slash

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<v Speaker 1>x y Chelsea. I have a Twitch account which is

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<v Speaker 1>uh twitch dot tv forward slash x y Chelsea, And

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<v Speaker 1>those are my two social media accounts. You can figure

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<v Speaker 1>out all the things that I do. I am a

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter streamer as well as a Twitter tweet out with

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<v Speaker 1>your feet out and think about panamall. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>played video games. I just played mine Craft, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of harmless Minecraft, a little bit of harmless. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of political commentator commentators ships on from

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<v Speaker 1>time to time. Yeah, I mean, you have a famously

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<v Speaker 1>positive relationship with the US government, so I can only

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<v Speaker 1>imagine what some of your tweets are about. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>try to keep I tried to. I hold my tongue

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, all right, Well hold your tongues um

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter or not, because there's effectively very little moderation

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<v Speaker 1>on that platform. Podka, let's go