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Hashtag access denied. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.119 Where's Todd Hayley? 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.280 So what we do is we form our own war room. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.399 It's an annual tradition here on the Big Red Rage 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.440 presented by santan Ford in Gilbert. We are santan Ford. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.880 We are the collective voice of the Arizona Cardinals, the 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.640 voices you just heard in the open the highlights right there. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.760 Join us in studio, Dave, Pash, Ron wolf Ley a 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.240 little bit later, Cam Thomas, Cam, we'll join us here 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.400 on the big Red Rage. And there's just one opinion, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.880 just one rule. That is all right. All opinions are 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.840 your own, own, your opinion. And I got to give 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.360 you guys props and give you your flowers. Over the years, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.640 you guys have been pretty darn accurate with some of 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.920 your draft predictions, especially in round one. Over the years 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.280 when it comes to your Arizona Cardinals. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.040 All I know, Paul is if I had a pick, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.400 I'm taking Wolf because look at this guy. I didn't 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.799 even recognize him when he came in. And how much 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.960 weight this guy has lost. His shirt doesn't fit, his 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.360 pants are falling off. You need a new belt, by 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.680 the way, right, thank you? What are you weighing these days? 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.400 Winning the off season? 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:21.000 What's going on? 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.520 Look at Polly, you know the cheeks were a little full. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.560 I think you guys understand that. And the doc looked 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.720 at me and said, oh, by the way, Moon River, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.239 you've got to go ahead and actually lose fifteen pounds. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.359 That's what he told me, and that's exactly what I did. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.160 The cheeks are lost twenty five as a matter of okay, well, 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.200 you know what, I had to get in shape, very 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.880 very much like a lot of the prospects that are 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.600 out there wanting to actually impress this draft. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.240 But I am noticing that the skin where the cheeks 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.000 were puffy, that the skin is kind of droopy. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:53.720 But I appreciate that. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.000 Well, we need to get you into one of those 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.880 people that like a stretch your stretch your skin. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.520 Now that we're no, now that we're getting highly personal, 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.200 I think we are ready to talk. I mean, now 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.560 that we have that and the fact that quarterbacks of 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.440 their pro days are hitting the ceiling of the practice facilities, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.079 you know, I think that tells us we're ready for 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.120 the NFL drafts. So woll if the weight you lost, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.960 Cam Thomas might have gained ooh really. We're gonna ask 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.079 him that question a little bit later on this edition 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.040 of The Big Red Rage. But first, the question of 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.560 Jonathan Gannon today voluntary veteran mini camp out there the 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.960 Cardinals first look this week at the new head coach, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.840 the new coaching staff, a lot of new names. In fact, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.600 Kaiser White said he's still struggling a bit to learn 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.960 all the new names and faces that he just calls 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.840 everyone my guy. That's what Kaiser White said. Here's Jonathan 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.880 Gannon on Xavin Collins because we couldn't help. But notice 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.000 coach that Zavian today was working with the outside linebackers. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.360 We had him there, I think these last two days 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.680 and he's he's doing a good job. What I love 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.080 about Zavon is that's the type of makeup that you 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.920 want in your players. Is I'm willing to do anything 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.840 that you want me to do to help the team. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.440 And when you have a bunch of guys like that 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.000 on your team, you have a good chance to win. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:10.800 Ron wofu of your thoughts on that. We know he 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.680 checks in at six four, two sixty. He has the 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.360 size to play outside, yo. Does he have the capability 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:18.599 you think, Paully, that. 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.039 Is a great question. I have no idea, but did 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.200 they certainly think he might be a candidate to play 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.200 the edge obviously, or they're not going to do this right? 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.400 You're not going to do this. You're not going to 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.720 start moving a guy around unless you believe number one, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.120 mentally he could actually handle it, and number two he 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.159 could do it physically. Of course, now I think we 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.280 all understand that Zavian Collins is a big unit. There's 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.760 no doubt about it. He could play the edge physically, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.359 he could set the edge. But man rushing the passer 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.600 coming up the field and playing mike linebacker really two 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.200 different skill sets. I don't know, but I do know this. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.120 If JG is putting him there, they think he can 0:04:59.160 --> 0:04:59.880 do it well. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.040 Upon a time, Micah Parsons was drafted as an inside linebacker. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.120 Look at him now, arguably the best defensive player in 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.039 the NFL, and he plays all over the front seven. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.760 You think maybe the Cardinals have something similar in mind. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.520 Well, a lot of people thought when Micah Parsons came out, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.599 they weren't sure if mentally he would be able to 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.159 handle everything that you need to be able to handle 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.120 at that position. And that's why they moved him to 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.560 where they did and said just go get after the quarterback, 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.520 kind of what Philadelphia did with Hasan Reddick. The Cardinals 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.440 obviously tried to play Hassan Reddick inside and you know 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.680 Zaven and talking to Zeven last year a couple of 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.839 times it seemed like he was growing over the course 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.679 of the year and getting better at handling all the calls. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.760 So it's early, it's April. The fact that in a 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.960 couple of practices he's playing on the outside, I don't 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.000 think is a big deal. The only concern for me 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.480 would be, what does that tell you they don't think 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.080 that he is a middle linebacker if you're using him 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.760 outside right now. Is that because they think he can 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.240 be Micah Parsons or because you know, we're not sure 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.880 that he can be our Mike linebacker. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.400 Yeah, and if there's any doubt right there, it's typically 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.479 not a good way to go for the most part, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.840 and it's very difficult to figure that out if you're 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.440 not in pads as well. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.800 Or is it just a sheer necessity just getting numbers 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.440 and bodies at outside linebacker off the edge? It's an unknown. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.480 It's sort of like the DeAndre Hopkins. We don't know 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.440 what his future is exactly in a totally different way, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.360 whether it's gonna be with the Cardinals or not. Here's 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.559 the d hop update desk. Pac Man Jones good friend 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.440 of DeAndre Hopkins. He's been tuned into the whole process 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.760 and he's been on the Pat McAfee show. Here he 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.360 is earlier today with an update my sources. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:52.320 Okay, just hit me and said Bills and KC source says. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.800 That some might have tomorrow. Well some definitely gonna have 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.400 to marrow tonight or tomorrow. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:02.080 All right, time on the NFL draft in DeAndre Hopkins. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.919 First of all, Bally, we need to talk about the 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.840 two teams that he mentioned right there. Did ja Kansas 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.680 City Chiefs, Yes he did. And did he mention the 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.840 Buffalo Bills, Yes he did. Oh by the way, it's 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.800 West Virginia. It's West Virginia. Okay, pac Man, don't make 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.960 me get fired up and sing the the fight song. 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.920 But having said this, now, those two teams make perfect sense. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.520 You better believe it. And why would both of those 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.960 two teams want DeAndre Hopkins Because he fits into their 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:35.160 eleven personnel package like a glove perfectly. And those two 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.080 teams figure to fight it out in the AFC for 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.080 another chance at winning a Super Bowl. This is this 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.120 is the best case scenario if in fact, those two 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.440 teams are interested. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.760 What's he worth? What's he gonna fetch? And I know 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.800 there's been a lot of well and I think a 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.600 lot of this comes from those two teams trying to 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:56.640 drive down the price of a DeAndre Hopkins. I'll just 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.480 say this. The Steelers are picking number thirty two overall 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.400 in this draft, top round two. Do you know why? 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.400 Because they got a round two pick from Chicago about 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:09.400 a year ago for Chase Claypool. So what's DeAndre Hopkins worth? 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.800 If you're thinking you have a legitimate shot at a 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.480 Lombardi Trophy and you're a receiver away from completing your 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.120 offense for Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes and d hop 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.840 is plug in play unlike any receiver in the draft 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.000 or anyone left in free agency, older. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.560 Guys that make a lot of money. Maybe it's harder 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.480 to get more for them. We're Chase Claypool a little 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.360 bit easier maybe to acquire. I'm not sure where Buffalo 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.120 and Kansas City are from a cap standpoint and what 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.959 they're willing to pay for DeAndre Hopkins, but I think 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.040 it's clear DeAndre Hopkins will not be here right It's 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.560 trending that way. I'd be shocked at this point if 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.959 d Hop is a cardinal this fall. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.240 Would you be shocked if Bryce Young doesn't go number 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.679 one overall? Yes, very shocked, because Carolinas said, in the 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.760 last twenty four hours they have reached a quote consensus 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.160 as to their number one pick. They're not telling who 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.400 it is, but come on, it's got to be Bryce Young, right. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.920 So yeah, look, I start and I'm not saying that 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.520 my sources know everything, but I do work for ESPN, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:12.880 and so I talked to a lot of people that 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.560 are working the draft and they felt, this is three 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.560 weeks ago that Bryce Young was going first, that somebody 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.880 had either Bryce or his agent had been told you're 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.320 going number one. And look, he's the best quarterback. He 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:31.160 is the most NFL Ready, My two favorite guys that 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.040 we met with this year in person were Bryce Young 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.800 and Will Anderson. Those are my two favorite people. You 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.400 walked away from meeting with those both those guys like, man, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.400 this is who you want as the cornerstone of your franchise. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.120 And then I went and watched Bryce Young in person 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.720 light up the sugar Bowl. This guy is as accurate 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.520 and as smart and when Bill O'Brien. He sat and 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.040 told us this, and we told the story in the 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.760 air that Bill O'Brien has to have of cutups ready 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.320 for his Tuesday meeting with Bryce Young because Bryce will 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.400 already have watched all the film and Bryce will have 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.000 his own Wow. So it's like an he's already an 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.520 NFL quarterback. When you play for Nick saban To, you 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.000 almost have Tom Bill O'Brien, You almost you almost have. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.920 To do you hear the quote from Steve Sarkisian, the 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.240 now Texas head coach former Alabama offensive coordinator. He called 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.360 Bryce unquote Steph Curry on grass. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.600 I love it. I think it's that's really good. 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.360 So Wolf, this draft really starts in number two with Houston. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.959 Here's Ian Rapaport on what the Texans might do. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.840 As far as number two goes. I would be surprised 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.040 if the Texans don't take a quarterback. I will stick 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.600 with quarterback until it has proven otherwise. That said, like, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.360 this is one of the draft's great mysteries. But if 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.360 they don't take a quarterback, then I think three gets 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.600 auctioned off at an astronomical price. I do think that 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.439 will have massive, massive, dramatic effect seeh. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.360 I totally agree with that, I really do. I agree 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.760 with that, and I still think number three, ultimately, when 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.000 it's all sudden done, is going to bring a pretty 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.880 penny for Manti ausin fort in the Arizona Cardinals. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.120 Everything I'm hearing is CJ. Stroud is not going to 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.840 Houston at number two. So if that's true, we'll find 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.000 out if it's true tomorrow night. If it's true, do 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.880 they take a quarterback of number two? Do they take 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.960 Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson some have said at number two? 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.439 Or do they trade out? And if they trade out, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.200 does that team take Stroud or do they take Levis 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.920 or Anthony Richardson. So, yes, the draft definitely starts at two. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.559 I'd be surprised that the Cardinals trade out of three 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.199 until after that selection is made. I think right right 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.840 about that, you're gonna have You're gonna have multiple calls 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.040 and multiple options, but you're not going to pull the 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.400 trigger on a deal into you know for sure who's 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:49.679 going at to There's. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.640 A reason JG told the media last week in the 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.000 pre draft presser, and I quote, I can't wait to 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.400 see many work the phone's Thursday night because I think 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.520 he knows that they are going to hang on until 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.719 pick number three to see what sort of phone call 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.880 that they're not gonna deal with pain until they're on 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.920 the clock, to see who's on the board, and especially 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.079 if there's a quarterback like c. J. Stroud or maybe 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.920 just the upside in the ceiling of an Anthony Richardson, 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.640 someone someone is gonna go for the measurables, and Anthony Richardson. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.800 It only takes one. Never forget that it only takes 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.960 one guy saying I can't believe other people don't see this. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.640 We're gonna move up and we're gonna Yeah, it's called 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.880 Trey Lance and the Trey Lance syn girl and the 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:33.320 other thing. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.079 Now, guys, as we know, it does not hold your 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.520 franchise hostage anymore to take a quarterback realy, because you 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.040 can move on a couple of years down the road, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.920 or find a guy like Brock Purdy in the seventh 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:49.000 round and make a guy like Trey Lance disposable. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.840 The Latest reporter Shane Steich the Eagles right now, the 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.640 indie head coach considers Anthony Richardson a quote super charged. 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.040 Jalen Hurtz, Bigguret Range back with cam Thomas and Moore 0:12:59.120 --> 0:12:59.560 right after this. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.680 Everybody talks about lands talent, but it's about the effort 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.800 that he gives turns into a supernovae. 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.440 Christian Salas, this is a bigger, longer corner. We'll get 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:13.800 too much. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.120 Why they are continuing to test him, it's beyond me. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.400 Wow, Well Anderson doing David Person. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.160 Got down right side of It's picked off again. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.840 It's Christian Gunsalis. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:29.120 Take him down. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:38.560 Well Anderson Junior flunning away, Krishana the great year. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.000 That is intersecond. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.720 This is Well Anderson Junior touch down. Do the Cardinals 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.760 need edge players? Do they need defensive tackle? Do they 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.280 need offensive line? Do they need a corner? Do they 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.880 arguably need another receiver, maybe even a running back. These 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.959 are all positions that have been associated with the Cardinals 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.320 in mock drafts. A lot of those positions in Round one. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.240 So it's tough to know, tough to tell exactly where 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:13.319 the Cardinals might go Tomorrow night, twenty twenty three NFL Draft, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.200 Although Manty austin Ford said to the media, and I'm 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.240 quoting now, we know where we want to go. We 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.480 want to reserve the time on the clock for in 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.080 case there's a call with an offer. It's the Big 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.920 Red Rage. Paul CALVC, Dave pash Ron Woefully our special 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.000 and annual draft edition, Cam Thomas coming up. But Dave, 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.440 what's your expectation will the Cardinals, I mean, deal or 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.040 no deal? What do you think is going to happen? 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.280 First of all, we don't know who they have outside 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.240 of the quarterbacks at the top of their board. If 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.960 they have Will Anderson at the top of their board, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.840 and they feel like if Will Anderson is there at 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.200 three and we need to take him because he's somebody 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.920 that changes our organization, and then I think you make 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.560 that move. But my guess is that they're going to 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.080 look to get assets because you don't rebuild in the 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.000 NFL when you have a quarterback Kyler Murray's been to 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.600 the Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:04.120 It's a reset. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.160 We know that based on everything that's happened here with 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.160 the players that they haven't brought back with players that 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.680 might be traded. And I think that's how they're approaching 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.480 the draft. It's the next two years. You've got to 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.400 build through this draft. So that tells me you trade down, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.880 and then it comes down to who's there is Devin 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.320 Witherspoon from Illinois. There is Tyree Wilson still there is 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.200 Will Anderson still there? What about an offensive lineman? It 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.880 just depends on where they trade down to and what 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.800 they can get in return. You look at what Miami got. Okay, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.200 here's what Miami got for Trey Lance. They got the 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.920 number twelve pick, They got a first and third rounder, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.560 and then they get another first yep, So can you 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:49.000 get that? Can you get that kind of a haul 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.480 or can you get a bigger haul depending on who 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:52.320 that person is. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.480 Well, if you're talking about the hall, of course you 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.680 wait till draft day for that hall right now, especially 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.600 because the fulkrim of the first round has shifted to 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.840 the Houston Texans and number two it's up for sale. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.720 They put that up. They let everyone know that this 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.440 pick is for sale. That's put him in the cat 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.120 bird seat. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.960 believe it when I see the Texans not draft one 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.000 of those quarterbacks, one of those quarterbacks that are definitely 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.120 going to be there, I'll believe it when I see it. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.280 But having said that, I think the Arizona Cardinals once 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.760 again are going to sit there and wait and see 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.000 what happens at that number two pick, And that means 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.840 you're going to wait to pull the trigger on any 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.320 deal that might be out there until Draft day. That's 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.840 what I think, because it's the ultimate pressure point as 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.960 we all know, the NFL draft in the offseason, especially 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.360 when the draft is actually rolling. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.200 For example, Anthony Richardson did top thirty visits with the Raiders, 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:58.840 with Indianapolis, with Tennessee, with Atlanta, Baltimore. I mean possible 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.360 any all those teams could make an offer on draft 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.600 day for number three. Overall, what do you do if 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.080 you don't have that guy at Q. You got to 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.919 take a swing. You got to take a shot. So 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.119 I think the desperation will be there for someone now 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.200 if the Cardinals stay at number three, and Wolf I 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.800 know we tend to agree. But if they stay at 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.960 number three, here's the other thing I know is that 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.560 this draft will not be like the last fifteen drafts 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.560 for the Arizona Cardinals, where in the first and second 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.800 round and the last fifteen drafts, if you go back 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.240 and you check the archives, two only two offensive linemen 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.359 and two defensive linemen have taken in the first and 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.720 second round to each of the last fifteen drafts. I 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:33.760 think that changes. I think the Cardinals start building from 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:34.360 the inside out. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.359 And it's interesting you say that because you think of 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:40.520 two guys in particular. Robert kim Decchi was a player 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.960 that you took a flyer on because you thought, this 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.120 guy's so talented, we can't pass up on. There's one 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.879 of your defensive linemen. The other one was Dan Williams, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:52.200 by the way and offensive line Dan the Can. And 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:57.119 the other one was DJ Humphries, who again you were 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.880 kind of taking hoping he would become that guy because 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.040 he had come out early. A lot of people thought, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.800 you know, maybe he should have gone back to Florida 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.760 for one more year. Wasn't really ready yet, and we 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.560 saw that he wasn't ready. He was immature. Now he's, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.560 you know, one of the best offensive lineman on the team, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.840 if not your best offensive lineman. I agree, I think 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.760 you've got to be and I think this group views 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.520 it this way too. This is my assumption that you 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.080 need an offensive line to protect your greatest asset, which 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.200 is Kyler Murray, and clearly to win in the NFL. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.200 And you saw with Philly with Jonathan Gannon, you got 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.919 to get after the quarterback. So I kind of hope, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.400 even though I love him, I hope Will Anderson goes 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:41.320 too to Houston because it opens up a world of possibilities. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.760 Yes, it does, now, I know, even though I love 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.879 him as well. Will Anderson is the one guy I 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.399 loved more than any other player in this draft. But 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.720 man of Houston, if they sit there and they go, no, 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.920 we're not going to take these quarterbacks that are out there. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.000 We're gonna take Will Anderson. That's what we're gonna do. Now, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:02.560 all of a sudden, the Folkram immediately shifts to pick 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.080 number three. The Arizona Cardinals could get a boat load, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.239 and that's exactly what they need. In my opinion, I 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.720 do believe you're rebuilding when you've got a new general manager, 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.080 you got a new coaching staff, you got a new 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.000 head coach. You're rebuilding. It's not a total rebuilding because 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.240 you've got a franchise quarterback. You can call it anything 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.560 you want to call it, but to me, right now, 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.359 they've got to do it from the inside out. Rebuild 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:31.120 it on the line of scrimmage certainly, and when it's 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.880 when you're talking about protecting your quarterback. That's what you've 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.800 got to do first. That's why I believe the Paris Johnson. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.760 I believe that scenario right there, and if it happens, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.000 I'll stand in a blood. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.760 Well, here's Ian Rappaport NFL Network on the potential of 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.320 the Ohio State left tackle going to the Cardinals. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.040 The Paris Johnson thought is certainly one that has been 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.560 gaining steam around the league. Of the Ohio State tackle 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.840 probably the safest, and leould say the consensus number one 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.879 tackle for most of the people we speak would not 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.560 be that surprising a pick considering, you know, making sure 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.399 that Kyler Murray is in a good spot in the 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.320 future is paramount this organization. It is only something he 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.520 would like. But for the Arizona Cardinals, yes they would 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.879 like to trade out, but of course that all begins 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.800