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Speaker 4: Was the night before the twenty twenty three NFL draft.
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Speaker 4: Join us in studio, Dave, Pash, Ron wolf Ley a
Speaker 4: little bit later, Cam Thomas, Cam, we'll join us here
Speaker 4: on the big Red Rage. And there's just one opinion,
Speaker 4: just one rule. That is all right. All opinions are
Speaker 4: your own, own, your opinion. And I got to give
Speaker 4: you guys props and give you your flowers. Over the years,
Speaker 4: you guys have been pretty darn accurate with some of
Speaker 4: your draft predictions, especially in round one. Over the years
Speaker 4: when it comes to your Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 5: All I know, Paul is if I had a pick,
Speaker 5: I'm taking Wolf because look at this guy. I didn't
Speaker 5: even recognize him when he came in. And how much
Speaker 5: weight this guy has lost. His shirt doesn't fit, his
Speaker 5: pants are falling off. You need a new belt, by
Speaker 5: the way, right, thank you? What are you weighing these days?
Speaker 4: Winning the off season?
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Look at Polly, you know the cheeks were a little full.
Speaker 1: I think you guys understand that. And the doc looked
Speaker 1: at me and said, oh, by the way, Moon River,
Speaker 1: you've got to go ahead and actually lose fifteen pounds.
Speaker 1: That's what he told me, and that's exactly what I did.
Speaker 1: The cheeks are lost twenty five as a matter of okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I had to get in shape, very
Speaker 1: very much like a lot of the prospects that are
Speaker 1: out there wanting to actually impress this draft.
Speaker 5: But I am noticing that the skin where the cheeks
Speaker 5: were puffy, that the skin is kind of droopy.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Well, we need to get you into one of those
Speaker 5: people that like a stretch your stretch your skin.
Speaker 4: Now that we're no, now that we're getting highly personal,
Speaker 4: I think we are ready to talk. I mean, now
Speaker 4: that we have that and the fact that quarterbacks of
Speaker 4: their pro days are hitting the ceiling of the practice facilities,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that tells us we're ready for
Speaker 4: the NFL drafts. So woll if the weight you lost,
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas might have gained ooh really. We're gonna ask
Speaker 4: him that question a little bit later on this edition
Speaker 4: of The Big Red Rage. But first, the question of
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon today voluntary veteran mini camp out there the
Speaker 4: Cardinals first look this week at the new head coach,
Speaker 4: the new coaching staff, a lot of new names. In fact,
Speaker 4: Kaiser White said he's still struggling a bit to learn
Speaker 4: all the new names and faces that he just calls
Speaker 4: everyone my guy. That's what Kaiser White said. Here's Jonathan
Speaker 4: Gannon on Xavin Collins because we couldn't help. But notice
Speaker 4: coach that Zavian today was working with the outside linebackers.
Speaker 7: We had him there, I think these last two days
Speaker 7: and he's he's doing a good job. What I love
Speaker 7: about Zavon is that's the type of makeup that you
Speaker 7: want in your players. Is I'm willing to do anything
Speaker 7: that you want me to do to help the team.
Speaker 7: And when you have a bunch of guys like that
Speaker 7: on your team, you have a good chance to win.
Speaker 4: Ron wofu of your thoughts on that. We know he
Speaker 4: checks in at six four, two sixty. He has the
Speaker 4: size to play outside, yo. Does he have the capability
Speaker 4: you think, Paully, that.
Speaker 1: Is a great question. I have no idea, but did
Speaker 1: they certainly think he might be a candidate to play
Speaker 1: the edge obviously, or they're not going to do this right?
Speaker 1: You're not going to do this. You're not going to
Speaker 1: start moving a guy around unless you believe number one,
Speaker 1: mentally he could actually handle it, and number two he
Speaker 1: could do it physically. Of course, now I think we
Speaker 1: all understand that Zavian Collins is a big unit. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. He could play the edge physically,
Speaker 1: he could set the edge. But man rushing the passer
Speaker 1: coming up the field and playing mike linebacker really two
Speaker 1: different skill sets. I don't know, but I do know this.
Speaker 1: If JG is putting him there, they think he can
Speaker 1: do it well.
Speaker 4: Upon a time, Micah Parsons was drafted as an inside linebacker.
Speaker 4: Look at him now, arguably the best defensive player in
Speaker 4: the NFL, and he plays all over the front seven.
Speaker 4: You think maybe the Cardinals have something similar in mind.
Speaker 5: Well, a lot of people thought when Micah Parsons came out,
Speaker 5: they weren't sure if mentally he would be able to
Speaker 5: handle everything that you need to be able to handle
Speaker 5: at that position. And that's why they moved him to
Speaker 5: where they did and said just go get after the quarterback,
Speaker 5: kind of what Philadelphia did with Hasan Reddick. The Cardinals
Speaker 5: obviously tried to play Hassan Reddick inside and you know
Speaker 5: Zaven and talking to Zeven last year a couple of
Speaker 5: times it seemed like he was growing over the course
Speaker 5: of the year and getting better at handling all the calls.
Speaker 5: So it's early, it's April. The fact that in a
Speaker 5: couple of practices he's playing on the outside, I don't
Speaker 5: think is a big deal. The only concern for me
Speaker 5: would be, what does that tell you they don't think
Speaker 5: that he is a middle linebacker if you're using him
Speaker 5: outside right now. Is that because they think he can
Speaker 5: be Micah Parsons or because you know, we're not sure
Speaker 5: that he can be our Mike linebacker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if there's any doubt right there, it's typically
Speaker 1: not a good way to go for the most part,
Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to figure that out if you're
Speaker 1: not in pads as well.
Speaker 4: Or is it just a sheer necessity just getting numbers
Speaker 4: and bodies at outside linebacker off the edge? It's an unknown.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like the DeAndre Hopkins. We don't know
Speaker 4: what his future is exactly in a totally different way,
Speaker 4: whether it's gonna be with the Cardinals or not. Here's
Speaker 4: the d hop update desk. Pac Man Jones good friend
Speaker 4: of DeAndre Hopkins. He's been tuned into the whole process
Speaker 4: and he's been on the Pat McAfee show. Here he
Speaker 4: is earlier today with an update my sources.
Speaker 8: Okay, just hit me and said Bills and KC source says.
Speaker 1: That some might have tomorrow. Well some definitely gonna have
Speaker 1: to marrow tonight or tomorrow.
Speaker 4: All right, time on the NFL draft in DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: First of all, Bally, we need to talk about the
Speaker 1: two teams that he mentioned right there. Did ja Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, Yes he did. And did he mention the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, Yes he did. Oh by the way, it's
Speaker 1: West Virginia. It's West Virginia. Okay, pac Man, don't make
Speaker 1: me get fired up and sing the the fight song.
Speaker 1: But having said this, now, those two teams make perfect sense.
Speaker 1: You better believe it. And why would both of those
Speaker 1: two teams want DeAndre Hopkins Because he fits into their
Speaker 1: eleven personnel package like a glove perfectly. And those two
Speaker 1: teams figure to fight it out in the AFC for
Speaker 1: another chance at winning a Super Bowl. This is this
Speaker 1: is the best case scenario if in fact, those two
Speaker 1: teams are interested.
Speaker 4: What's he worth? What's he gonna fetch? And I know
Speaker 4: there's been a lot of well and I think a
Speaker 4: lot of this comes from those two teams trying to
Speaker 4: drive down the price of a DeAndre Hopkins. I'll just
Speaker 4: say this. The Steelers are picking number thirty two overall
Speaker 4: in this draft, top round two. Do you know why?
Speaker 4: Because they got a round two pick from Chicago about
Speaker 4: a year ago for Chase Claypool. So what's DeAndre Hopkins worth?
Speaker 4: If you're thinking you have a legitimate shot at a
Speaker 4: Lombardi Trophy and you're a receiver away from completing your
Speaker 4: offense for Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes and d hop
Speaker 4: is plug in play unlike any receiver in the draft
Speaker 4: or anyone left in free agency, older.
Speaker 5: Guys that make a lot of money. Maybe it's harder
Speaker 5: to get more for them. We're Chase Claypool a little
Speaker 5: bit easier maybe to acquire. I'm not sure where Buffalo
Speaker 5: and Kansas City are from a cap standpoint and what
Speaker 5: they're willing to pay for DeAndre Hopkins, but I think
Speaker 5: it's clear DeAndre Hopkins will not be here right It's
Speaker 5: trending that way. I'd be shocked at this point if
Speaker 5: d Hop is a cardinal this fall.
Speaker 4: Would you be shocked if Bryce Young doesn't go number
Speaker 4: one overall? Yes, very shocked, because Carolinas said, in the
Speaker 4: last twenty four hours they have reached a quote consensus
Speaker 4: as to their number one pick. They're not telling who
Speaker 4: it is, but come on, it's got to be Bryce Young, right.
Speaker 5: So yeah, look, I start and I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: my sources know everything, but I do work for ESPN,
Speaker 5: and so I talked to a lot of people that
Speaker 5: are working the draft and they felt, this is three
Speaker 5: weeks ago that Bryce Young was going first, that somebody
Speaker 5: had either Bryce or his agent had been told you're
Speaker 5: going number one. And look, he's the best quarterback. He
Speaker 5: is the most NFL Ready, My two favorite guys that
Speaker 5: we met with this year in person were Bryce Young
Speaker 5: and Will Anderson. Those are my two favorite people. You
Speaker 5: walked away from meeting with those both those guys like, man,
Speaker 5: this is who you want as the cornerstone of your franchise.
Speaker 5: And then I went and watched Bryce Young in person
Speaker 5: light up the sugar Bowl. This guy is as accurate
Speaker 5: and as smart and when Bill O'Brien. He sat and
Speaker 5: told us this, and we told the story in the
Speaker 5: air that Bill O'Brien has to have of cutups ready
Speaker 5: for his Tuesday meeting with Bryce Young because Bryce will
Speaker 5: already have watched all the film and Bryce will have
Speaker 5: his own Wow. So it's like an he's already an
Speaker 5: NFL quarterback. When you play for Nick saban To, you
Speaker 5: almost have Tom Bill O'Brien, You almost you almost have.
Speaker 4: To do you hear the quote from Steve Sarkisian, the
Speaker 4: now Texas head coach former Alabama offensive coordinator. He called
Speaker 4: Bryce unquote Steph Curry on grass.
Speaker 5: I love it. I think it's that's really good.
Speaker 4: So Wolf, this draft really starts in number two with Houston.
Speaker 4: Here's Ian Rapaport on what the Texans might do.
Speaker 8: As far as number two goes. I would be surprised
Speaker 8: if the Texans don't take a quarterback. I will stick
Speaker 8: with quarterback until it has proven otherwise. That said, like,
Speaker 8: this is one of the draft's great mysteries. But if
Speaker 8: they don't take a quarterback, then I think three gets
Speaker 8: auctioned off at an astronomical price. I do think that
Speaker 8: will have massive, massive, dramatic effect seeh.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that, I really do. I agree
Speaker 1: with that, and I still think number three, ultimately, when
Speaker 1: it's all sudden done, is going to bring a pretty
Speaker 1: penny for Manti ausin fort in the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 5: Everything I'm hearing is CJ. Stroud is not going to
Speaker 5: Houston at number two. So if that's true, we'll find
Speaker 5: out if it's true tomorrow night. If it's true, do
Speaker 5: they take a quarterback of number two? Do they take
Speaker 5: Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson some have said at number two?
Speaker 5: Or do they trade out? And if they trade out,
Speaker 5: does that team take Stroud or do they take Levis
Speaker 5: or Anthony Richardson. So, yes, the draft definitely starts at two.
Speaker 5: I'd be surprised that the Cardinals trade out of three
Speaker 5: until after that selection is made. I think right right
Speaker 5: about that, you're gonna have You're gonna have multiple calls
Speaker 5: and multiple options, but you're not going to pull the
Speaker 5: trigger on a deal into you know for sure who's
Speaker 5: going at to There's.
Speaker 4: A reason JG told the media last week in the
Speaker 4: pre draft presser, and I quote, I can't wait to
Speaker 4: see many work the phone's Thursday night because I think
Speaker 4: he knows that they are going to hang on until
Speaker 4: pick number three to see what sort of phone call
Speaker 4: that they're not gonna deal with pain until they're on
Speaker 4: the clock, to see who's on the board, and especially
Speaker 4: if there's a quarterback like c. J. Stroud or maybe
Speaker 4: just the upside in the ceiling of an Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 4: someone someone is gonna go for the measurables, and Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1: It only takes one. Never forget that it only takes
Speaker 1: one guy saying I can't believe other people don't see this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna move up and we're gonna Yeah, it's called
Speaker 1: Trey Lance and the Trey Lance syn girl and the
Speaker 1: other thing.
Speaker 5: Now, guys, as we know, it does not hold your
Speaker 5: franchise hostage anymore to take a quarterback realy, because you
Speaker 5: can move on a couple of years down the road,
Speaker 5: or find a guy like Brock Purdy in the seventh
Speaker 5: round and make a guy like Trey Lance disposable.
Speaker 4: The Latest reporter Shane Steich the Eagles right now, the
Speaker 4: indie head coach considers Anthony Richardson a quote super charged.
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurtz, Bigguret Range back with cam Thomas and Moore
Speaker 4: right after this.
Speaker 5: Everybody talks about lands talent, but it's about the effort
Speaker 5: that he gives turns into a supernovae.
Speaker 4: Christian Salas, this is a bigger, longer corner. We'll get
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 6: Why they are continuing to test him, it's beyond me.
Speaker 4: Wow, Well Anderson doing David Person.
Speaker 5: Got down right side of It's picked off again.
Speaker 4: It's Christian Gunsalis.
Speaker 3: Take him down.
Speaker 5: Well Anderson Junior flunning away, Krishana the great year.
Speaker 1: That is intersecond.
Speaker 4: This is Well Anderson Junior touch down. Do the Cardinals
Speaker 4: need edge players? Do they need defensive tackle? Do they
Speaker 4: need offensive line? Do they need a corner? Do they
Speaker 4: arguably need another receiver, maybe even a running back. These
Speaker 4: are all positions that have been associated with the Cardinals
Speaker 4: in mock drafts. A lot of those positions in Round one.
Speaker 4: So it's tough to know, tough to tell exactly where
Speaker 4: the Cardinals might go Tomorrow night, twenty twenty three NFL Draft,
Speaker 4: Although Manty austin Ford said to the media, and I'm
Speaker 4: quoting now, we know where we want to go. We
Speaker 4: want to reserve the time on the clock for in
Speaker 4: case there's a call with an offer. It's the Big
Speaker 4: Red Rage. Paul CALVC, Dave pash Ron Woefully our special
Speaker 4: and annual draft edition, Cam Thomas coming up. But Dave,
Speaker 4: what's your expectation will the Cardinals, I mean, deal or
Speaker 4: no deal? What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 5: First of all, we don't know who they have outside
Speaker 5: of the quarterbacks at the top of their board. If
Speaker 5: they have Will Anderson at the top of their board,
Speaker 5: and they feel like if Will Anderson is there at
Speaker 5: three and we need to take him because he's somebody
Speaker 5: that changes our organization, and then I think you make
Speaker 5: that move. But my guess is that they're going to
Speaker 5: look to get assets because you don't rebuild in the
Speaker 5: NFL when you have a quarterback Kyler Murray's been to
Speaker 5: the Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: It's a reset.
Speaker 5: We know that based on everything that's happened here with
Speaker 5: the players that they haven't brought back with players that
Speaker 5: might be traded. And I think that's how they're approaching
Speaker 5: the draft. It's the next two years. You've got to
Speaker 5: build through this draft. So that tells me you trade down,
Speaker 5: and then it comes down to who's there is Devin
Speaker 5: Witherspoon from Illinois. There is Tyree Wilson still there is
Speaker 5: Will Anderson still there? What about an offensive lineman? It
Speaker 5: just depends on where they trade down to and what
Speaker 5: they can get in return. You look at what Miami got. Okay,
Speaker 5: here's what Miami got for Trey Lance. They got the
Speaker 5: number twelve pick, They got a first and third rounder,
Speaker 5: and then they get another first yep, So can you
Speaker 5: get that? Can you get that kind of a haul
Speaker 5: or can you get a bigger haul depending on who
Speaker 5: that person is.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're talking about the hall, of course you
Speaker 1: wait till draft day for that hall right now, especially
Speaker 1: because the fulkrim of the first round has shifted to
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans and number two it's up for sale.
Speaker 1: They put that up. They let everyone know that this
Speaker 1: pick is for sale. That's put him in the cat
Speaker 1: bird seat. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll
Speaker 1: believe it when I see the Texans not draft one
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks, one of those quarterbacks that are definitely
Speaker 1: going to be there, I'll believe it when I see it.
Speaker 1: But having said that, I think the Arizona Cardinals once
Speaker 1: again are going to sit there and wait and see
Speaker 1: what happens at that number two pick, And that means
Speaker 1: you're going to wait to pull the trigger on any
Speaker 1: deal that might be out there until Draft day. That's
Speaker 1: what I think, because it's the ultimate pressure point as
Speaker 1: we all know, the NFL draft in the offseason, especially
Speaker 1: when the draft is actually rolling.
Speaker 4: For example, Anthony Richardson did top thirty visits with the Raiders,
Speaker 4: with Indianapolis, with Tennessee, with Atlanta, Baltimore. I mean possible
Speaker 4: any all those teams could make an offer on draft
Speaker 4: day for number three. Overall, what do you do if
Speaker 4: you don't have that guy at Q. You got to
Speaker 4: take a swing. You got to take a shot. So
Speaker 4: I think the desperation will be there for someone now
Speaker 4: if the Cardinals stay at number three, and Wolf I
Speaker 4: know we tend to agree. But if they stay at
Speaker 4: number three, here's the other thing I know is that
Speaker 4: this draft will not be like the last fifteen drafts
Speaker 4: for the Arizona Cardinals, where in the first and second
Speaker 4: round and the last fifteen drafts, if you go back
Speaker 4: and you check the archives, two only two offensive linemen
Speaker 4: and two defensive linemen have taken in the first and
Speaker 4: second round to each of the last fifteen drafts. I
Speaker 4: think that changes. I think the Cardinals start building from
Speaker 4: the inside out.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting you say that because you think of
Speaker 5: two guys in particular. Robert kim Decchi was a player
Speaker 5: that you took a flyer on because you thought, this
Speaker 5: guy's so talented, we can't pass up on. There's one
Speaker 5: of your defensive linemen. The other one was Dan Williams,
Speaker 5: by the way and offensive line Dan the Can. And
Speaker 5: the other one was DJ Humphries, who again you were
Speaker 5: kind of taking hoping he would become that guy because
Speaker 5: he had come out early. A lot of people thought,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe he should have gone back to Florida
Speaker 5: for one more year. Wasn't really ready yet, and we
Speaker 5: saw that he wasn't ready. He was immature. Now he's,
Speaker 5: you know, one of the best offensive lineman on the team,
Speaker 5: if not your best offensive lineman. I agree, I think
Speaker 5: you've got to be and I think this group views
Speaker 5: it this way too. This is my assumption that you
Speaker 5: need an offensive line to protect your greatest asset, which
Speaker 5: is Kyler Murray, and clearly to win in the NFL.
Speaker 5: And you saw with Philly with Jonathan Gannon, you got
Speaker 5: to get after the quarterback. So I kind of hope,
Speaker 5: even though I love him, I hope Will Anderson goes
Speaker 5: too to Houston because it opens up a world of possibilities.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does, now, I know, even though I love
Speaker 1: him as well. Will Anderson is the one guy I
Speaker 1: loved more than any other player in this draft. But
Speaker 1: man of Houston, if they sit there and they go, no,
Speaker 1: we're not going to take these quarterbacks that are out there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take Will Anderson. That's what we're gonna do. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Folkram immediately shifts to pick
Speaker 1: number three. The Arizona Cardinals could get a boat load,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what they need. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: do believe you're rebuilding when you've got a new general manager,
Speaker 1: you got a new coaching staff, you got a new
Speaker 1: head coach. You're rebuilding. It's not a total rebuilding because
Speaker 1: you've got a franchise quarterback. You can call it anything
Speaker 1: you want to call it, but to me, right now,
Speaker 1: they've got to do it from the inside out. Rebuild
Speaker 1: it on the line of scrimmage certainly, and when it's
Speaker 1: when you're talking about protecting your quarterback. That's what you've
Speaker 1: got to do first. That's why I believe the Paris Johnson.
Speaker 1: I believe that scenario right there, and if it happens,
Speaker 1: I'll stand in a blood.
Speaker 4: Well, here's Ian Rappaport NFL Network on the potential of
Speaker 4: the Ohio State left tackle going to the Cardinals.
Speaker 9: The Paris Johnson thought is certainly one that has been
Speaker 9: gaining steam around the league. Of the Ohio State tackle
Speaker 9: probably the safest, and leould say the consensus number one
Speaker 9: tackle for most of the people we speak would not
Speaker 9: be that surprising a pick considering, you know, making sure
Speaker 9: that Kyler Murray is in a good spot in the
Speaker 9: future is paramount this organization. It is only something he
Speaker 9: would like. But for the Arizona Cardinals, yes they would
Speaker 9: like to trade out, but of course that all begins
Speaker 9: with what actually happens right before they go.
Speaker 4: All right, now, look full disclosure. Charles Davis dropped his
Speaker 4: final mock draft. He has Paris Johnson going number three
Speaker 4: to the Cardinals. That seems to be the latest buzzz.
Speaker 4: Paris Johnson to the Cardinals. My question, can you trade
Speaker 4: down to seven with the Raiders and still get the
Speaker 4: six foot six, three hundred and thirteen pounder. He was
Speaker 4: second team All American. I get it. And by the way,
Speaker 4: his sophomore year two years ago, he started all thirteen
Speaker 4: games at right guard, so he could become an interior
Speaker 4: old lineman for his first couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yes, and look, the offensive linemen that come out of
Speaker 5: Ohio State have a pretty good track record in the NFL. Iowa,
Speaker 5: Ohio State, a lot of the Big ten, Michigan, Penn State,
Speaker 5: a lot of those schools have Wisconsin pretty pretty good
Speaker 5: track record because of how they play Sec.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 5: I man, unless you think, man, if we don't Paris Johnson,
Speaker 5: we've got him as our best non quarterback or highest
Speaker 5: rated non quarterback. I'm not saying they do, but if
Speaker 5: they do, you better be convinced that, yeah, don't take
Speaker 5: him there. He's gonna be gone at four right Otherwise
Speaker 5: you move down, you move down to four or five
Speaker 5: or six or seven because you need assets.
Speaker 1: This is just me, guys, I honestly believe that is
Speaker 1: gonna be the scenario right there, That is gonna be
Speaker 1: the scenario. It's gonna present itself. Somebody's gonna look at
Speaker 1: that number three they're gonna look at that number three
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be somebody there. And it only takes
Speaker 1: one team. Once again, it's not like it takes two.
Speaker 1: You know, it takes one team to actually say, man,
Speaker 1: we love that guy. That guy right there's gonna be
Speaker 1: the next Tom Brady, or that guy right there is
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, whatever it may be. You gotta
Speaker 1: have one team that wants to move up. And I
Speaker 1: think the Arizona Cardinals are going to get that opportunity
Speaker 1: sitting there at number three right now, with some of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are on the board and will be
Speaker 1: on the board. It takes one team to fall in
Speaker 1: love with a Will loves, one team to fall in
Speaker 1: love with Anthony Richardson. And if that is the case
Speaker 1: Manti Austin for the Cardinals, they're going to be training
Speaker 1: out of that spot.
Speaker 4: Dave, you remember what Michael Bidwill told you on the
Speaker 4: pash pot. He said a couple of things. Said one,
Speaker 4: we have to take pressure off Kyler Murray both in
Speaker 4: terms of all the decision making that was tasked upon him.
Speaker 4: We're going to put him under center more. That was
Speaker 4: his prediction. Schematic build the offensive line to literally take
Speaker 4: the pressure off from edge rushers. And then he said,
Speaker 4: our system, our grading system is about to become quote
Speaker 4: the former system of best player available, where they're going
Speaker 4: to look for the best cardinal fit within that system.
Speaker 4: So that's interesting. There a lot of people have the
Speaker 4: Cardinals going corner at some point early in this draft.
Speaker 4: Is there a corner you particularly like in this draft?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I love Devin Witherspoon from Illinois did one of
Speaker 5: their games this year. The guy reminds me of Buddha
Speaker 5: in the sense of like he plays with his hair
Speaker 5: on fire and he wants to kill people. Ok, but
Speaker 5: he's faster, he's bigger, and he's a different position. But
Speaker 5: I you know, hell we Christian Gonzales from Oregon, I
Speaker 5: understand why people are falling in love with the measures
Speaker 5: six two, two hundred and four three eight forty. Devin Witherspoon,
Speaker 5: I think is about the same. You know, another guy
Speaker 5: depending on how far you drop if you trade down.
Speaker 5: But you know, Joey Porter Junior for a long time
Speaker 5: was considered a top five pick in the first corner
Speaker 5: off the board. Then Illinois had this great year was
Speaker 5: really unexpected. Witherspoon skyrocketed I'm hesitant with corners from the
Speaker 5: Pac twelve all of times.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just why do you say that, David.
Speaker 5: Just because again, who you're I don't know who you're
Speaker 5: playing against a lot of times. I mean, I get Jordan.
Speaker 5: You know, there's Jordan Adison. But for every Jordan Addison, like.
Speaker 4: Most players in the SEC. Yes, but yes, I.
Speaker 5: Think And so people might say, well, then why take
Speaker 5: a corner from the Big Ten because you know, again,
Speaker 5: I think track record. Look at a lot of receivers
Speaker 5: the last few years coming out of the Big Ten
Speaker 5: that have done well in the NFL, particular from Ohio State.
Speaker 4: Well, think about when the college season ended till now,
Speaker 4: nobody would have put Tyree Wilson ahead of Will Anderson,
Speaker 4: but they are now. Bucky Brooks his latest mock draft
Speaker 4: because these six six two seventy five, I had someone
Speaker 4: tell me Tyree Wilson visit the Cardinals are like, look
Speaker 4: at that dude, and that always moves the meter.
Speaker 5: And people might say, well, wait, take a defensive lineman
Speaker 5: from the Big twelve and from Texas Tech.
Speaker 4: He was at A and M.
Speaker 5: Before that, so technically he does have an SEC background.
Speaker 1: And by the way, who's using Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 4: So Dave says, Wolf has been winning the offseason. Cam
Speaker 4: Thomas has been winning the offseason. Even followed the San
Speaker 4: Diego State team to the Final four. How about that
Speaker 4: the Cardinals defender is next and the big red rage
Speaker 4: brought to you by santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 5: Snapped the Smith drops back to throw, pressure in his space,
Speaker 5: he's in trouble and he goes down. He sacked back
Speaker 5: at the twenty one yard line. Cam Thomas, the rookie,
Speaker 5: is there for the Cardinals to make the play. First
Speaker 5: career sack for Cam Thomas. Herbert back to throw on
Speaker 5: third down in trouble, steps up. Sacked again at the
Speaker 5: forty four yard line. This time it's Cam Thomas steps
Speaker 5: up in the pocket, gets hit, arm is hit, ball
Speaker 5: flutters picked off by Simmons at the forty yard line
Speaker 5: and tackled at the thirty seven. Cam Thomas swiped at
Speaker 5: the throwing arm of mac Jones. The ball fluttered into
Speaker 5: the air, picked off by Simmons.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Isaiah ever bought you lunch for that.
Speaker 4: That was Week fourteen. Mac Jones. He hit the throwing
Speaker 4: arm and boom that balls up in the air and
Speaker 4: down comes Isaiah Simmons with the pick. It's been about
Speaker 4: a year or so since your first appearance on The
Speaker 4: Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert a
Speaker 4: year ago or so. So we called you Cameron Thomas,
Speaker 4: but it feels too formal. Now, Can we just go
Speaker 4: with Cam?
Speaker 1: Is that cool?
Speaker 6: That's totally fine with me.
Speaker 4: How about the beard? By the way, you look about
Speaker 4: five years older with the beard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, as actually the first time I was
Speaker 6: trying it out. I'll take that as a compliment. And uh, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's good.
Speaker 4: It's good that you also look like you put on
Speaker 4: some some muscle, you put on some weight as well.
Speaker 4: I mean, they got you listed at six four two
Speaker 4: sixty seven. Are they gonna have to adjust that Cam?
Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, they just have to adjust it a little bit.
Speaker 6: Said about two seventy right now. Last year I played
Speaker 6: closer to two fifty five to sixty, you know, coming
Speaker 6: in here last year. Uh, when I got drafted, I
Speaker 6: truly believe that was gonna be in a four to
Speaker 6: three scheme. And with that, you know, those ends played
Speaker 6: just a little bit heavier than a traditional outside linebacker.
Speaker 6: And when I came in. I was sitting around two
Speaker 6: seventy two. You know, they asked me last year to
Speaker 6: drop a couple of pounds and I went hand did that,
Speaker 6: and like I said, sat around in two fifty five.
Speaker 6: We also did like a body scan thing, not show
Speaker 6: with all the science behind that. All I know is
Speaker 6: they told me, you know your frame, you can really
Speaker 6: sit around three hundred if you wanted to. So maybe
Speaker 6: I pack on a few pounds. And that's exactly what
Speaker 6: I did this year. Put my head down, went to work,
Speaker 6: and the natural the muscle came kind of as naturally.
Speaker 6: So I feel just as fast as I at two
Speaker 6: fifty five at two seventy, and I'm really excited about
Speaker 6: this upcoming season.
Speaker 4: So are you going to be an outside linebacker for
Speaker 4: how long? What is your future position wise?
Speaker 6: I'm really happy outside linebacker. Obviously, I'll be happy anywhere
Speaker 6: they play me, but you know, I'm really enjoying playing
Speaker 6: outside linebacker, and yeah, that's where I hope for now.
Speaker 4: So your position coach is Rob Rodriguez, that's right from
Speaker 4: ASU and so part of an all new staff. So
Speaker 4: give us the first impression, because this week has been
Speaker 4: the first voluntary veteran mini camp. Right, you've been out
Speaker 4: on the field, you just get out of the weight room.
Speaker 4: Just give everyone a first impression of what JG and
Speaker 4: this coaching staff is all about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I got to say. I absolutely
Speaker 6: love the energy the new staff has brought, and it's
Speaker 6: all the way across this board. You know, there's no
Speaker 6: weak link anywhere. I think the new coaching staff coming in.
Speaker 6: I bring the energy every day and I really like
Speaker 6: how they're simplifying everything. They're trying to put it in
Speaker 6: the most simple form for us to understand, so we
Speaker 6: become masters at this stuff as soon as we can. So,
Speaker 6: you know, first impressions, that's what I would say. And
Speaker 6: you know we're still in the in the phase and
Speaker 6: we're kind of feeling the coaches out. The coaches still
Speaker 6: kind of feeling us out. Uh So you know, there's
Speaker 6: there's definitely a little bit of learning every day amongst everybody.
Speaker 6: I guess i'd say in the building and uh yeah.
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas, our guest in the Big Red Rage presentedbody,
Speaker 4: Sam tan Ford and Gilbert. Have you had that one
Speaker 4: on one conversation with JG and or your defensive coordinator
Speaker 4: Rick Nick Rowlis. I mean, and if so, what can
Speaker 4: you share with us about that?
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, you know, not too long after they got
Speaker 6: it was official that they were joining the staff. You know,
Speaker 6: they both both reached out to me on the phone
Speaker 6: and just expressed, you know what, what their intentions are
Speaker 6: go this season with me and with the team. We
Speaker 6: Something that they express a lot is it's a team first,
Speaker 6: and then you and I really really enjoy that. You
Speaker 6: can just kind of feel the sense and the building
Speaker 6: of everybody kind of coming together.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I feel like there's there's been, especially with this mini campus,
Speaker 6: a lot of bonding that's been going on. So uh yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm I think it's it's moving on for a really
Speaker 6: good direction for this program.
Speaker 4: What do you think you learned the most last year?
Speaker 4: From beginning to end of your rookie season? What were
Speaker 4: your biggest takeaways or maybe you're just the biggest aeries
Speaker 4: in which you grew.
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, that's a really good question, and you know,
Speaker 6: one I really haven't sat down and thought too much myself,
Speaker 6: but I would say to be a pro, you really
Speaker 6: have to sit down and evaluate yourself every single day.
Speaker 6: You know, at the end of the day, it is
Speaker 6: really you becoming the best person you could possibly be.
Speaker 6: The coaches jobs is to serve the players, and the
Speaker 6: player's job is to maximize themselves. And that's what I
Speaker 6: guess I would say I learned the most last year
Speaker 6: was maxium mixing myself and taking everything I could from
Speaker 6: the coaches and the players themselves, you know, just being
Speaker 6: an absolute sponge anything I could take in become a
Speaker 6: better player. You know, I'm gonna have the same mindset
Speaker 6: this year going in the year two. I believe that's
Speaker 6: the biggest jump that players making this league. And with
Speaker 6: that being said, I want to just take everything I
Speaker 6: can in and use it the best of my abilities.
Speaker 4: And sometimes it's not just the coaches. Remember hard knocks
Speaker 4: right in NFL films they captured behind the scenes. In fact,
Speaker 4: we have the clip you and JJ Watt one on
Speaker 4: one in one of the meeting rooms.
Speaker 2: The number one thing you got to remember is that
Speaker 2: you also have strengths. Never talk yourself out of being successful.
Speaker 2: So like you have a great bull rush and you
Speaker 2: have a great longmount, just because this guy is good
Speaker 2: against it, doesn't mean you can't win with it.
Speaker 1: On year twelve, I'm still learning.
Speaker 4: What was it like to spend the whole year with
Speaker 4: JJ Watt number ninety nine, the all time great.
Speaker 6: I was fantastic. You know that you can only learn
Speaker 6: so much from a coach standpoint, because you know, they're
Speaker 6: the ones on the side end of the ones looking
Speaker 6: at the film, so they have kind of more of
Speaker 6: that knowledge. But when you talk to the players, the
Speaker 6: guys that are right there next to you, the guys
Speaker 6: that are out there getting the feel, you know, that's
Speaker 6: something that's a little bit different. And luckily we had
Speaker 6: a ton of guys last year that had a lot
Speaker 6: of experience, you know, JJ, and and and Marcus Golden
Speaker 6: and Dennis, you know, a ton of guys that I
Speaker 6: was able to kind of learn off of. And I
Speaker 6: do remember that assession with JJ. You know, I just
Speaker 6: kind of wanted to hear his side of things and
Speaker 6: kind of his story in his background, because you know
Speaker 6: something as being an athlete, you know there's no just
Speaker 6: solid trend up and you know there there's it's it's
Speaker 6: a bit of a rocky road in your career. And
Speaker 6: so be able to talk to JJ and kind of
Speaker 6: hear his side of things made me a lot more
Speaker 6: comfortable as uh, as a player, and you know something,
Speaker 6: I'm very thankful for him taking the time to teach me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for rookie comes in next month and says, all right,
Speaker 4: Cameron Thomas, I just missed JJ Watt by year. What'd
Speaker 4: you learn from from ninety nine? What will you tell them?
Speaker 4: What were you in part to maybe some of the
Speaker 4: new guys this year?
Speaker 6: Uh, you know kind of what I just said, you know,
Speaker 6: be yourself. You know that was something he kind of
Speaker 6: explained to me. You know, obviously there's the team aspect
Speaker 6: of thing, so don't go too far, don't make it
Speaker 6: about you, but you know what you can do. So
Speaker 6: in the end of the day, it's it's you're gonna
Speaker 6: be out there and you know, uh, just any edge
Speaker 6: you can get something. I remember that JJ said that
Speaker 6: I really liked. Is he already knows before he walks
Speaker 6: out through that he won. You know, he went in there,
Speaker 6: he put in the work. You know, he's worked harder
Speaker 6: than everybody else. Usually I go out there and I'll
Speaker 6: execute it. H So you know, hearing something like that,
Speaker 6: you know, and then kind of like sitting looking where
Speaker 6: I am as a player, I know I kind of
Speaker 6: have the same you know philosophy as like I know,
Speaker 6: for me to be the best player could be it is,
Speaker 6: It's going to be through work and effort. You know,
Speaker 6: obviously have some things that come natural natural to me
Speaker 6: some things that don't. So hearing that like is something
Speaker 6: that I could, uh you know, useing, you know, use
Speaker 6: some advantage.
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas on the Big Red Rage. Did you have
Speaker 4: a Welcome to the NFL moment as a rookie last year?
Speaker 4: Was there anything you learned the hard way? I don't know,
Speaker 4: like going against Trent Williams and the Niners or I mean, was.
Speaker 6: There ever that moment you're like, dang, Okay, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: I I think I had a couple of moments. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't necessarily narrow it down to one. Uh you know,
Speaker 6: I do remember, guys. I believe it was a Saints game.
Speaker 6: I walked out in the field, the coach threw me
Speaker 6: out there. I knew exactly what I was doing. But
Speaker 6: you know, there are veterans in this league, and veterans
Speaker 6: sometimes have the seniority over you. So I remember one
Speaker 6: time I went to go back out there at end
Speaker 6: and I don't remember exactly who it was. I believe
Speaker 6: I believe it was Edgi actually kicks me inside. He's like, yo,
Speaker 6: play the three on this rap. I'm gonna take the edge,
Speaker 6: and I kind of just, you know, shut my mouth
Speaker 6: about it. But the thing was, I was I only
Speaker 6: knew what I was doing at the edge. I wasn't
Speaker 6: comfortable enough to know I was doing at the three.
Speaker 6: So I kind of had a little bit of rough
Speaker 6: time right there. That one was not very fun in
Speaker 6: the meeting room, you know, And that's just that's just
Speaker 6: part of being a rookie, you know. And you got
Speaker 6: a Hall of Famer out there. But there was a
Speaker 6: lot of experiences. I guess another one would be Trent Williams.
Speaker 6: You know, I remember scouting him all week and just
Speaker 6: uh just watching him and how he was such a technician.
Speaker 6: So I with a technician, you got to be a
Speaker 6: technician yourself. And yeah, I just remember I really took
Speaker 6: that one as a learning curve, just to be a professional,
Speaker 6: watching him taking myself in.
Speaker 4: And yeah, we heard your first career sack right at Seattle.
Speaker 4: That was week six. We heard the sack against the Chargers.
Speaker 4: Week twelve, the interception you caused. How about the two
Speaker 4: quarterback hits against Tom Brady, What was that like for
Speaker 4: you to play against TB twelve?
Speaker 6: You know, that one meant a lot to me. So
Speaker 6: a little bit about me. My family background. My parents
Speaker 6: are both from Detroit and they grew up they're Michigan fans.
Speaker 6: My aunt was a UM alumni and everything. So to
Speaker 6: have that background and then to have family in town
Speaker 6: for Christmas from Michigan, to be at that game, it
Speaker 6: really meant a lot, you know. And just I was
Speaker 6: lucky I made the cutoff. I had one year his
Speaker 6: last year. I just made it by. And you know,
Speaker 6: when you get into the game like that, you know,
Speaker 6: I was. I remember before the game, I was like static.
Speaker 6: I'm like, this is such an opportunity. I'm gonna have
Speaker 6: the opportunity to get after the goat. But you know,
Speaker 6: once you kind of get out there, it's just kind
Speaker 6: of like, you know what am I doing? Like what's
Speaker 6: place in football? And I remember the first hit I
Speaker 6: had on him, I got up and celebrated and I'll
Speaker 6: turn around and I look and the energy wasn't there.
Speaker 6: I full blown thought I had a sack on him,
Speaker 6: Like no doubt in my mind, I had a sack
Speaker 6: on him.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was.
Speaker 6: It was not a sack until I got the sideline
Speaker 6: it and people told me it wasn't a sack, and
Speaker 6: I didn't even believe him.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 6: Uh, that one was a little bit of heartbreak, But yeah,
Speaker 6: I caused the quarterback hit and hurry and uh, incomplete pass.
Speaker 6: And then the second one, you know, the their starting
Speaker 6: tackle went down, the backup went in and I could
Speaker 6: just kind of tell pre snap it was. I believe
Speaker 6: it was an empty backfield set. I remember pre snap,
Speaker 6: I could see the splits from the tackle. I could
Speaker 6: tell from his his posture that it was gonna be
Speaker 6: a pass play. And with his splits, I knew I
Speaker 6: could take that inside gap and uh, I didn't even
Speaker 6: I just shot the gap. I didn't even hesitate at all.
Speaker 6: I just shot the gap, ripped my arm through and
Speaker 6: got the hit on on Tom Brady and that forced
Speaker 6: the Marko interception.
Speaker 4: Three sacks last year, And if you're not familiar with
Speaker 4: Cameron Thomas, he was the guy doing the sax celebration
Speaker 4: the surfing right from San Diego. So that's a keeper,
Speaker 4: by the way, isn't it. You're gonna go forward with that,
Speaker 4: aren't you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'd like to express a little bit
Speaker 6: of my San Diego native background.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, what do you think about the way we're
Speaker 4: getting to the point of the summer where all the
Speaker 4: Arizona license plates are in San Diego? Come on, be honest,
Speaker 4: you know, as the guy grew up in San Diego
Speaker 4: in the six one nine, what'd you think you know
Speaker 4: back then, of all the Arizona plates invading your hometown.
Speaker 6: You know what, I will say this, the Arizona drivers
Speaker 6: they drive with a lot more intent than the California
Speaker 6: drivers do. And I actually appreciate it because some of
Speaker 6: these California drivers don't get me wrong, but they just
Speaker 6: they just go out in the road just to drive,
Speaker 6: just cruise, you know, maybe five sometimes ten under the
Speaker 6: speed liman. It's like, what's going on here? I come
Speaker 6: to Arizona. I'm like, this is this is more so speed.
Speaker 6: This is more at my speed. So it was funny
Speaker 6: seeing that that difference. And as we close it out
Speaker 6: here we hear the music real quick. Your thoughts on
Speaker 6: the uniforms thumbs up on the uniforms?
Speaker 5: You like them? Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, thumbs up? You know, I think I like how
Speaker 6: simple they are. I like how clean they are just
Speaker 6: fresh that. Those are the words I was describing with.
Speaker 4: You seem confident you're gonna have an impact this year.
Speaker 6: I'm really excited about this this out coming year. Yes, sir,
Speaker 6: it's good.
Speaker 4: It's good. Gam Thomas, our guest can't wait to see
Speaker 4: what he does in year two. Like you said, so
Speaker 4: many guys make that big jump from year one to
Speaker 4: year two. And by the way, mock draft, you got
Speaker 4: any inside information mock draft, what are the Cardinals gonna
Speaker 4: do with three? I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 6: I remember last year I played the guessing game and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, for like two hundred and was
Speaker 6: there sixty?
Speaker 4: All right, well we'll put passion. We'll back to work
Speaker 4: when we come back. They actually have a pretty good
Speaker 4: track record of predicting what the Cardinals do in round one.
Speaker 4: That is next, as you wrap up this edition to
Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage mozented by Santan Forard in Gilbert,
Speaker 4: when the Cardinals are looking at number sixteen there give
Speaker 4: us a gut feel. I mean, how do you think
Speaker 4: they're going to assess the two thousand and eight NFL
Speaker 4: Draft and which direction do you think they're going to
Speaker 4: go first?
Speaker 5: Two rounds. You're gonna be able to get a good
Speaker 5: corner if you're Arizona. If Rogers Carmarti is there, that's
Speaker 5: who the Cardinals take. You know, even if there's a
Speaker 5: Kalais Campbell there in the second round, that's a position
Speaker 5: you got to look at strongly.
Speaker 4: That is a flashback el grande to the two thousand
Speaker 4: and eight draft pre draft edition of The Big Red Rage.
Speaker 4: It is a tradition here, all brought to you by
Speaker 4: Santan Ford in Gilbert Dave Pash double Ding. You nailed
Speaker 4: both picks the Cardinals made there the first and second round.
Speaker 4: How about that? Those are some lofty expectations you have
Speaker 4: to live up to this year, Dave.
Speaker 5: I had really good sources, So I can't really I
Speaker 5: can't really sit here and be like, oh, I knew,
Speaker 5: I predicted perfectly. Who are they going to take? It's
Speaker 5: just information. It's just passing along as humility.
Speaker 4: That was good, and cam Thomas was good, you know.
Speaker 4: I I tell you what, I like the progress he's
Speaker 4: made in the offseason. I like the confidence. It's a
Speaker 4: quiet confidence, like the fact that he says he's up
Speaker 4: to two seventy and he had a body scan, he
Speaker 4: could get up to three hundred pounds. What's in his future?
Speaker 4: Could he be a future Zach Allen? Is he going
Speaker 4: to stay at outside linebacker? I'm really intrigued by him,
Speaker 4: But I mean him playing at about ten to fifteen pounds,
Speaker 4: heavier and in better shape and stronger. Just his bull
Speaker 4: rush because JJ Watt has given him props on his
Speaker 4: bull rush, what he's able to do this year off
Speaker 4: the edge. Intrigued to see it.
Speaker 1: That's where he's got to be. Polly, gotta use that.
Speaker 1: Weay to put him in a five technique over the
Speaker 1: outside shoulder of a tackle. Gotta put him there, all right.
Speaker 4: So the quote is it's the most uncertain draft in years.
Speaker 4: That's what the insiders are saying.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's recency bias. It always seems
Speaker 4: like it's a little uncertain, but I mean, honestly, at
Speaker 4: number three, the Cardinals could go any of four or
Speaker 4: five different positions. They could go any four or five
Speaker 4: different players if they stay at three or if they
Speaker 4: trade down. I mean, how far is too far in
Speaker 4: your mind?
Speaker 1: Dave?
Speaker 4: If they're entertaining a trade down.
Speaker 5: I think it depends on what look they need multiple assets,
Speaker 5: So what are you getting? I I it's a team
Speaker 5: that's Tennessee. Where's Tennessee pick? They're eleven eleven, So you know,
Speaker 5: if you go back to eleven, do you have a
Speaker 5: couple of guys in mind that you think, yeah, they're
Speaker 5: probably top five and at number eleven, we feel really good.
Speaker 5: That to me seems like a stretch unless you're getting
Speaker 5: so many picks. Again, you're getting something for twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four as well, because I think this draft this year
Speaker 5: is not just about twenty twenty three, it's about twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. It's you've got to get multiple assets in
Speaker 5: the next two years. So when you take the field
Speaker 5: the fall of twenty twenty four, you're battling for the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Not saying they can't this year, but we know with
Speaker 5: Kyler being hurt and a lot of new faces and
Speaker 5: a new GM and a new head coach, that the
Speaker 5: expectations are going to be low for this year. But
Speaker 5: I think you can raise those expectations for the following
Speaker 5: year by knocking out a knocking it out of the
Speaker 5: park with these next two drafts.
Speaker 4: Let's say it's Tennessee Maniasavord obviously has a great relationship
Speaker 4: with his former team, right, sold, that would be the
Speaker 4: Trey Lance deal. That would be two future first round picks,
Speaker 4: and you swap first round picks this year. Are you
Speaker 4: willing to wait? Ron Wolfe? Would you do that?
Speaker 1: Yes? I would bully. As a matter of fact, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. I think that's what's gonna happen. This
Speaker 1: is just my gut feeling on this. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals will be drafting a player at number three.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get the opportunity. What's the old saying, when
Speaker 1: preparation meets opportunity, you're gonna have success. Right, that's the
Speaker 1: definition of success. They're gonna have the opportunity right there
Speaker 1: to trade down. Somebody is going to fall in love
Speaker 1: with the player and want to move up to number three.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have that opportunity. And if it were the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, I would not be shocked at all. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I still think you're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get Peter Skoronsky they're at number eleven, or even
Speaker 1: Paris Johnson.
Speaker 4: Let's go full circle on this show. Come back up
Speaker 4: to Houston. Number two, picking right before the Cardinals. Are
Speaker 4: we really buying they're not going to draft quarter I'm not.
Speaker 4: I mean, they did nothing in free agency. They're gonna
Speaker 4: run Davis Mills and Kyle Allen out there again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they want you to believe.
Speaker 5: But they can trade down. They have another first round
Speaker 5: pick where they can take a quarterback or use that
Speaker 5: to move back up. I would be surprised if Houston
Speaker 5: picks at number two. I think they're gonna either move
Speaker 5: out of there.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 5: I'm hopeful, as much as I love Will Anderson, that
Speaker 5: either he or Tyree Wilson has picked it too, because
Speaker 5: I just think that opens up tremendous options for the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: I think somebody else is going to be picking a
Speaker 5: quarterback at number two. I do not think it's going
Speaker 5: to be Houston.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool. And I think number three as well.
Speaker 1: That applies to the number three. I think they're both
Speaker 1: going to be trading out.
Speaker 4: When this process started some two months ago, your ideal
Speaker 4: scenario was going down to four, Well, yeah, going down
Speaker 4: to four, still getting Will Anderson, but cashing that in
Speaker 4: for maybe a round two pick with Indy That would
Speaker 4: be top a round two, you were get a starting
Speaker 4: corner or starting d tackle there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I we'll buy the way Ryan Kelly, thank you. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll take him off your hands since they want him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, Ryan Kelly, I'll take that.
Speaker 5: Here's the other thing to consider, guys, the Cardinals aren't
Speaker 5: the only ones waiting to see what happens at two.
Speaker 5: You've got all these other teams. How many teams in
Speaker 5: the moment depending on who what scenario plays out at
Speaker 5: number two, which team is going to panic and say
Speaker 5: we've got to get to three, we'll give us this.
Speaker 5: They're on the clock. Manni says, hey, we want this. Okay,
Speaker 5: we'll do it because we've got to get this guy
Speaker 5: at three. You're gonna have a lot of teams out
Speaker 5: there that are very nervous. And when number two goes
Speaker 5: and you're on the clock and you've got to make
Speaker 5: this deal, you might be able to get something from
Speaker 5: that team that maybe you wouldn't today or a month ago.
Speaker 4: Speaking to being on the clock, you guys are on
Speaker 4: the clock. We need a prediction. It's an annual right
Speaker 4: here on this edition of The Big Red Rage Ponzenta
Speaker 4: by Santan Ford and Gilbert Ron Wolfley go Cardinal player.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals trade out of number three, they go
Speaker 1: back to number eleven and they take Peter Skearansky.
Speaker 5: I think the Cardinals trade down. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 5: between six and eight. I think they get Paris Johnson.
Speaker 4: I think they go down to eight with Atlanta. I
Speaker 4: think Atlanta's a sleeper and they grabbed Devin Witherspoon. That's
Speaker 4: what I think. There have been some reports out there
Speaker 4: to that effect. By the way, the Cardinals in terms
Speaker 4: of visits, the AI that is known as Craig Griolou right,
Speaker 4: he went in all the reports out there about players
Speaker 4: that they have visited with. It's dominated by offensive linemen,
Speaker 4: defensive linemen, and corners, with a few centers mixed in.
Speaker 4: Three centers they visited with me. You're talking about the
Speaker 4: top thirty and combine. So just let that hang in
Speaker 4: the air where the Cardinals are targeting. You know what,
Speaker 4: you might not love Ron Wolfley will leave you with this.
Speaker 4: In the last four drafts, only two full backs have
Speaker 4: been chosen, Just to let you know, so you know what,
Speaker 4: maybe just maybe saw I hope.
Speaker 5: Houston takes Bjon Robinson at number two, and it just
Speaker 5: throws everything into it, everyone.
Speaker 4: Into it tizzy, especially that Jim Molmanro Mitch Baralda, Special Anks,
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas, Ron Wolfley and Dave pash On, Paul kelvyc.
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