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Speaker 4: Was the night before the twenty twenty three NFL draft.

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Speaker 4: And once again there is one known, just one absolute.

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Speaker 4: on the big Red Rage. And there's just one opinion,

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Speaker 4: you guys have been pretty darn accurate with some of

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Speaker 5: All I know, Paul is if I had a pick,

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Speaker 5: I'm taking Wolf because look at this guy. I didn't

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Speaker 5: the way, right, thank you? What are you weighing these days?

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Speaker 4: Winning the off season?

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Speaker 1: Look at Polly, you know the cheeks were a little full.

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Speaker 5: But I am noticing that the skin where the cheeks

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Speaker 4: All right, time on the NFL draft in DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Bally, we need to talk about the

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Speaker 4: What's he worth? What's he gonna fetch? And I know

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Speaker 4: Would you be shocked if Bryce Young doesn't go number

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Speaker 8: As far as number two goes. I would be surprised

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Speaker 6: Why they are continuing to test him, it's beyond me.

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Speaker 5: First of all, we don't know who they have outside

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Speaker 5: We know that based on everything that's happened here with

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Speaker 1: Yes, it does, now, I know, even though I love

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Speaker 4: Well, here's Ian Rappaport NFL Network on the potential of

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Speaker 1: This is just me, guys, I honestly believe that is

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Speaker 1: the next Tom Brady, or that guy right there is

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Speaker 1: gonna be you know, whatever it may be. You gotta

435
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Speaker 1: have one team that wants to move up. And I

436
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: think the Arizona Cardinals are going to get that opportunity

437
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: sitting there at number three right now, with some of

438
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are on the board and will be

439
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: on the board. It takes one team to fall in

440
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 1: love with a Will loves, one team to fall in

441
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: love with Anthony Richardson. And if that is the case

442
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: Manti Austin for the Cardinals, they're going to be training

443
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Speaker 1: out of that spot.

444
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Speaker 4: Dave, you remember what Michael Bidwill told you on the

445
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Speaker 4: pash pot. He said a couple of things. Said one,

446
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 4: we have to take pressure off Kyler Murray both in

447
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 4: terms of all the decision making that was tasked upon him.

448
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 4: We're going to put him under center more. That was

449
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 4: his prediction. Schematic build the offensive line to literally take

450
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 4: the pressure off from edge rushers. And then he said,

451
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Speaker 4: our system, our grading system is about to become quote

452
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Speaker 4: the former system of best player available, where they're going

453
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Speaker 4: to look for the best cardinal fit within that system.

454
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Speaker 4: So that's interesting. There a lot of people have the

455
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Speaker 4: Cardinals going corner at some point early in this draft.

456
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Speaker 4: Is there a corner you particularly like in this draft?

457
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Speaker 5: Yeah? I love Devin Witherspoon from Illinois did one of

458
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 5: their games this year. The guy reminds me of Buddha

459
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 5: in the sense of like he plays with his hair

460
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 5: on fire and he wants to kill people. Ok, but

461
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 5: he's faster, he's bigger, and he's a different position. But

462
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 5: I you know, hell we Christian Gonzales from Oregon, I

463
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 5: understand why people are falling in love with the measures

464
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Speaker 5: six two, two hundred and four three eight forty. Devin Witherspoon,

465
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Speaker 5: I think is about the same. You know, another guy

466
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Speaker 5: depending on how far you drop if you trade down.

467
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Speaker 5: But you know, Joey Porter Junior for a long time

468
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Speaker 5: was considered a top five pick in the first corner

469
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Speaker 5: off the board. Then Illinois had this great year was

470
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Speaker 5: really unexpected. Witherspoon skyrocketed I'm hesitant with corners from the

471
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Speaker 5: Pac twelve all of times.

472
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Speaker 1: Okay, I just why do you say that, David.

473
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Speaker 5: Just because again, who you're I don't know who you're

474
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Speaker 5: playing against a lot of times. I mean, I get Jordan.

475
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 5: You know, there's Jordan Adison. But for every Jordan Addison, like.

476
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Speaker 4: Most players in the SEC. Yes, but yes, I.

477
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Speaker 5: Think And so people might say, well, then why take

478
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Speaker 5: a corner from the Big Ten because you know, again,

479
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 5: I think track record. Look at a lot of receivers

480
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 5: the last few years coming out of the Big Ten

481
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Speaker 5: that have done well in the NFL, particular from Ohio State.

482
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Speaker 4: Well, think about when the college season ended till now,

483
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: nobody would have put Tyree Wilson ahead of Will Anderson,

484
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 4: but they are now. Bucky Brooks his latest mock draft

485
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 4: because these six six two seventy five, I had someone

486
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Speaker 4: tell me Tyree Wilson visit the Cardinals are like, look

487
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 4: at that dude, and that always moves the meter.

488
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Speaker 5: And people might say, well, wait, take a defensive lineman

489
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Speaker 5: from the Big twelve and from Texas Tech.

490
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Speaker 4: He was at A and M.

491
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Speaker 5: Before that, so technically he does have an SEC background.

492
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Speaker 1: And by the way, who's using Bucky Brooks.

493
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Speaker 4: So Dave says, Wolf has been winning the offseason. Cam

494
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Speaker 4: Thomas has been winning the offseason. Even followed the San

495
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 4: Diego State team to the Final four. How about that

496
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 4: the Cardinals defender is next and the big red rage

497
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 4: brought to you by santan Ford in Gilbert.

498
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 5: Snapped the Smith drops back to throw, pressure in his space,

499
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 5: he's in trouble and he goes down. He sacked back

500
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Speaker 5: at the twenty one yard line. Cam Thomas, the rookie,

501
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 5: is there for the Cardinals to make the play. First

502
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 5: career sack for Cam Thomas. Herbert back to throw on

503
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 5: third down in trouble, steps up. Sacked again at the

504
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Speaker 5: forty four yard line. This time it's Cam Thomas steps

505
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 5: up in the pocket, gets hit, arm is hit, ball

506
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 5: flutters picked off by Simmons at the forty yard line

507
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 5: and tackled at the thirty seven. Cam Thomas swiped at

508
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 5: the throwing arm of mac Jones. The ball fluttered into

509
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Speaker 5: the air, picked off by Simmons.

510
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Speaker 4: I don't know if Isaiah ever bought you lunch for that.

511
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: That was Week fourteen. Mac Jones. He hit the throwing

512
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: arm and boom that balls up in the air and

513
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 4: down comes Isaiah Simmons with the pick. It's been about

514
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: a year or so since your first appearance on The

515
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Speaker 4: Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert a

516
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: year ago or so. So we called you Cameron Thomas,

517
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: but it feels too formal. Now, Can we just go

518
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: with Cam?

519
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Speaker 1: Is that cool?

520
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 6: That's totally fine with me.

521
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: How about the beard? By the way, you look about

522
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: five years older with the beard.

523
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, as actually the first time I was

524
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Speaker 6: trying it out. I'll take that as a compliment. And uh, yeah,

525
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Speaker 6: it's good.

526
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 4: It's good that you also look like you put on

527
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: some some muscle, you put on some weight as well.

528
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Speaker 4: I mean, they got you listed at six four two

529
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Speaker 4: sixty seven. Are they gonna have to adjust that Cam?

530
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Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, they just have to adjust it a little bit.

531
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Speaker 6: Said about two seventy right now. Last year I played

532
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Speaker 6: closer to two fifty five to sixty, you know, coming

533
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 6: in here last year. Uh, when I got drafted, I

534
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 6: truly believe that was gonna be in a four to

535
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 6: three scheme. And with that, you know, those ends played

536
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 6: just a little bit heavier than a traditional outside linebacker.

537
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Speaker 6: And when I came in. I was sitting around two

538
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Speaker 6: seventy two. You know, they asked me last year to

539
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Speaker 6: drop a couple of pounds and I went hand did that,

540
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Speaker 6: and like I said, sat around in two fifty five.

541
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Speaker 6: We also did like a body scan thing, not show

542
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 6: with all the science behind that. All I know is

543
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 6: they told me, you know your frame, you can really

544
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 6: sit around three hundred if you wanted to. So maybe

545
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 6: I pack on a few pounds. And that's exactly what

546
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 6: I did this year. Put my head down, went to work,

547
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 6: and the natural the muscle came kind of as naturally.

548
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 6: So I feel just as fast as I at two

549
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 6: fifty five at two seventy, and I'm really excited about

550
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 6: this upcoming season.

551
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Speaker 4: So are you going to be an outside linebacker for

552
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: how long? What is your future position wise?

553
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 6: I'm really happy outside linebacker. Obviously, I'll be happy anywhere

554
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 6: they play me, but you know, I'm really enjoying playing

555
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 6: outside linebacker, and yeah, that's where I hope for now.

556
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 4: So your position coach is Rob Rodriguez, that's right from

557
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 4: ASU and so part of an all new staff. So

558
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 4: give us the first impression, because this week has been

559
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: the first voluntary veteran mini camp. Right, you've been out

560
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: on the field, you just get out of the weight room.

561
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: Just give everyone a first impression of what JG and

562
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 4: this coaching staff is all about.

563
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I got to say. I absolutely

564
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 6: love the energy the new staff has brought, and it's

565
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 6: all the way across this board. You know, there's no

566
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 6: weak link anywhere. I think the new coaching staff coming in.

567
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 6: I bring the energy every day and I really like

568
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 6: how they're simplifying everything. They're trying to put it in

569
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 6: the most simple form for us to understand, so we

570
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 6: become masters at this stuff as soon as we can. So,

571
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 6: you know, first impressions, that's what I would say. And

572
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 6: you know we're still in the in the phase and

573
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 6: we're kind of feeling the coaches out. The coaches still

574
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 6: kind of feeling us out. Uh So you know, there's

575
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 6: there's definitely a little bit of learning every day amongst everybody.

576
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 6: I guess i'd say in the building and uh yeah.

577
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas, our guest in the Big Red Rage presentedbody,

578
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: Sam tan Ford and Gilbert. Have you had that one

579
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: on one conversation with JG and or your defensive coordinator

580
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: Rick Nick Rowlis. I mean, and if so, what can

581
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: you share with us about that?

582
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Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, you know, not too long after they got

583
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 6: it was official that they were joining the staff. You know,

584
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 6: they both both reached out to me on the phone

585
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 6: and just expressed, you know what, what their intentions are

586
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 6: go this season with me and with the team. We

587
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 6: Something that they express a lot is it's a team first,

588
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 6: and then you and I really really enjoy that. You

589
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 6: can just kind of feel the sense and the building

590
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 6: of everybody kind of coming together.

591
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: You know.

592
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Speaker 6: I feel like there's there's been, especially with this mini campus,

593
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 6: a lot of bonding that's been going on. So uh yeah,

594
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 6: I'm I think it's it's moving on for a really

595
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 6: good direction for this program.

596
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: What do you think you learned the most last year?

597
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: From beginning to end of your rookie season? What were

598
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: your biggest takeaways or maybe you're just the biggest aeries

599
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 4: in which you grew.

600
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Speaker 6: Uh, you know, that's a really good question, and you know,

601
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 6: one I really haven't sat down and thought too much myself,

602
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 6: but I would say to be a pro, you really

603
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 6: have to sit down and evaluate yourself every single day.

604
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: You know, at the end of the day, it is

605
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 6: really you becoming the best person you could possibly be.

606
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 6: The coaches jobs is to serve the players, and the

607
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 6: player's job is to maximize themselves. And that's what I

608
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 6: guess I would say I learned the most last year

609
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 6: was maxium mixing myself and taking everything I could from

610
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 6: the coaches and the players themselves, you know, just being

611
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 6: an absolute sponge anything I could take in become a

612
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 6: better player. You know, I'm gonna have the same mindset

613
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 6: this year going in the year two. I believe that's

614
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 6: the biggest jump that players making this league. And with

615
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 6: that being said, I want to just take everything I

616
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 6: can in and use it the best of my abilities.

617
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: And sometimes it's not just the coaches. Remember hard knocks

618
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: right in NFL films they captured behind the scenes. In fact,

619
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: we have the clip you and JJ Watt one on

620
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Speaker 4: one in one of the meeting rooms.

621
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Speaker 2: The number one thing you got to remember is that

622
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: you also have strengths. Never talk yourself out of being successful.

623
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Speaker 2: So like you have a great bull rush and you

624
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: have a great longmount, just because this guy is good

625
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: against it, doesn't mean you can't win with it.

626
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: On year twelve, I'm still learning.

627
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: What was it like to spend the whole year with

628
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Speaker 4: JJ Watt number ninety nine, the all time great.

629
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Speaker 6: I was fantastic. You know that you can only learn

630
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 6: so much from a coach standpoint, because you know, they're

631
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 6: the ones on the side end of the ones looking

632
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 6: at the film, so they have kind of more of

633
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 6: that knowledge. But when you talk to the players, the

634
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 6: guys that are right there next to you, the guys

635
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 6: that are out there getting the feel, you know, that's

636
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 6: something that's a little bit different. And luckily we had

637
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 6: a ton of guys last year that had a lot

638
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 6: of experience, you know, JJ, and and and Marcus Golden

639
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 6: and Dennis, you know, a ton of guys that I

640
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 6: was able to kind of learn off of. And I

641
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 6: do remember that assession with JJ. You know, I just

642
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 6: kind of wanted to hear his side of things and

643
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 6: kind of his story in his background, because you know

644
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: something as being an athlete, you know there's no just

645
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 6: solid trend up and you know there there's it's it's

646
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 6: a bit of a rocky road in your career. And

647
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 6: so be able to talk to JJ and kind of

648
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 6: hear his side of things made me a lot more

649
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 6: comfortable as uh, as a player, and you know something,

650
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 6: I'm very thankful for him taking the time to teach me.

651
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, for rookie comes in next month and says, all right,

652
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: Cameron Thomas, I just missed JJ Watt by year. What'd

653
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: you learn from from ninety nine? What will you tell them?

654
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: What were you in part to maybe some of the

655
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: new guys this year?

656
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 6: Uh, you know kind of what I just said, you know,

657
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 6: be yourself. You know that was something he kind of

658
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: explained to me. You know, obviously there's the team aspect

659
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 6: of thing, so don't go too far, don't make it

660
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 6: about you, but you know what you can do. So

661
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 6: in the end of the day, it's it's you're gonna

662
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 6: be out there and you know, uh, just any edge

663
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 6: you can get something. I remember that JJ said that

664
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 6: I really liked. Is he already knows before he walks

665
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 6: out through that he won. You know, he went in there,

666
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: he put in the work. You know, he's worked harder

667
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 6: than everybody else. Usually I go out there and I'll

668
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: execute it. H So you know, hearing something like that,

669
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 6: you know, and then kind of like sitting looking where

670
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 6: I am as a player, I know I kind of

671
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 6: have the same you know philosophy as like I know,

672
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 6: for me to be the best player could be it is,

673
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 6: It's going to be through work and effort. You know,

674
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 6: obviously have some things that come natural natural to me

675
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 6: some things that don't. So hearing that like is something

676
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: that I could, uh you know, useing, you know, use

677
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 6: some advantage.

678
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas on the Big Red Rage. Did you have

679
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: a Welcome to the NFL moment as a rookie last year?

680
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: Was there anything you learned the hard way? I don't know,

681
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: like going against Trent Williams and the Niners or I mean, was.

682
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 6: There ever that moment you're like, dang, Okay, Yeah, you know,

683
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 6: I I think I had a couple of moments. I

684
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 6: wouldn't necessarily narrow it down to one. Uh you know,

685
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 6: I do remember, guys. I believe it was a Saints game.

686
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 6: I walked out in the field, the coach threw me

687
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 6: out there. I knew exactly what I was doing. But

688
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 6: you know, there are veterans in this league, and veterans

689
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 6: sometimes have the seniority over you. So I remember one

690
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 6: time I went to go back out there at end

691
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 6: and I don't remember exactly who it was. I believe

692
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 6: I believe it was Edgi actually kicks me inside. He's like, yo,

693
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 6: play the three on this rap. I'm gonna take the edge,

694
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 6: and I kind of just, you know, shut my mouth

695
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 6: about it. But the thing was, I was I only

696
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 6: knew what I was doing at the edge. I wasn't

697
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 6: comfortable enough to know I was doing at the three.

698
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 6: So I kind of had a little bit of rough

699
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 6: time right there. That one was not very fun in

700
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 6: the meeting room, you know, And that's just that's just

701
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 6: part of being a rookie, you know. And you got

702
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 6: a Hall of Famer out there. But there was a

703
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: lot of experiences. I guess another one would be Trent Williams.

704
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 6: You know, I remember scouting him all week and just

705
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 6: uh just watching him and how he was such a technician.

706
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 6: So I with a technician, you got to be a

707
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 6: technician yourself. And yeah, I just remember I really took

708
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 6: that one as a learning curve, just to be a professional,

709
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 6: watching him taking myself in.

710
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 4: And yeah, we heard your first career sack right at Seattle.

711
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: That was week six. We heard the sack against the Chargers.

712
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: Week twelve, the interception you caused. How about the two

713
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 4: quarterback hits against Tom Brady, What was that like for

714
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: you to play against TB twelve?

715
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 6: You know, that one meant a lot to me. So

716
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 6: a little bit about me. My family background. My parents

717
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 6: are both from Detroit and they grew up they're Michigan fans.

718
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: My aunt was a UM alumni and everything. So to

719
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 6: have that background and then to have family in town

720
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 6: for Christmas from Michigan, to be at that game, it

721
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 6: really meant a lot, you know. And just I was

722
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 6: lucky I made the cutoff. I had one year his

723
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 6: last year. I just made it by. And you know,

724
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 6: when you get into the game like that, you know,

725
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 6: I was. I remember before the game, I was like static.

726
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 6: I'm like, this is such an opportunity. I'm gonna have

727
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: the opportunity to get after the goat. But you know,

728
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 6: once you kind of get out there, it's just kind

729
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 6: of like, you know what am I doing? Like what's

730
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: place in football? And I remember the first hit I

731
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 6: had on him, I got up and celebrated and I'll

732
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 6: turn around and I look and the energy wasn't there.

733
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 6: I full blown thought I had a sack on him,

734
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 6: Like no doubt in my mind, I had a sack

735
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 6: on him.

736
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was.

737
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 6: It was not a sack until I got the sideline

738
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 6: it and people told me it wasn't a sack, and

739
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 6: I didn't even believe him.

740
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Then.

741
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 6: Uh, that one was a little bit of heartbreak, But yeah,

742
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 6: I caused the quarterback hit and hurry and uh, incomplete pass.

743
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 6: And then the second one, you know, the their starting

744
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: tackle went down, the backup went in and I could

745
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 6: just kind of tell pre snap it was. I believe

746
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 6: it was an empty backfield set. I remember pre snap,

747
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: I could see the splits from the tackle. I could

748
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 6: tell from his his posture that it was gonna be

749
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 6: a pass play. And with his splits, I knew I

750
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 6: could take that inside gap and uh, I didn't even

751
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 6: I just shot the gap. I didn't even hesitate at all.

752
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 6: I just shot the gap, ripped my arm through and

753
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 6: got the hit on on Tom Brady and that forced

754
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 6: the Marko interception.

755
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: Three sacks last year, And if you're not familiar with

756
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: Cameron Thomas, he was the guy doing the sax celebration

757
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: the surfing right from San Diego. So that's a keeper,

758
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 4: by the way, isn't it. You're gonna go forward with that,

759
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: aren't you?

760
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'd like to express a little bit

761
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 6: of my San Diego native background.

762
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: So, yeah, what do you think about the way we're

763
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: getting to the point of the summer where all the

764
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: Arizona license plates are in San Diego? Come on, be honest,

765
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: you know, as the guy grew up in San Diego

766
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: in the six one nine, what'd you think you know

767
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: back then, of all the Arizona plates invading your hometown.

768
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 6: You know what, I will say this, the Arizona drivers

769
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 6: they drive with a lot more intent than the California

770
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 6: drivers do. And I actually appreciate it because some of

771
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 6: these California drivers don't get me wrong, but they just

772
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 6: they just go out in the road just to drive,

773
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 6: just cruise, you know, maybe five sometimes ten under the

774
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 6: speed liman. It's like, what's going on here? I come

775
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 6: to Arizona. I'm like, this is this is more so speed.

776
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 6: This is more at my speed. So it was funny

777
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 6: seeing that that difference. And as we close it out

778
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 6: here we hear the music real quick. Your thoughts on

779
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 6: the uniforms thumbs up on the uniforms?

780
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: You like them? Oh?

781
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 6: Absolutely, thumbs up? You know, I think I like how

782
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 6: simple they are. I like how clean they are just

783
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 6: fresh that. Those are the words I was describing with.

784
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 4: You seem confident you're gonna have an impact this year.

785
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 6: I'm really excited about this this out coming year. Yes, sir,

786
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 6: it's good.

787
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: It's good. Gam Thomas, our guest can't wait to see

788
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: what he does in year two. Like you said, so

789
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: many guys make that big jump from year one to

790
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: year two. And by the way, mock draft, you got

791
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: any inside information mock draft, what are the Cardinals gonna

792
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: do with three? I couldn't tell you.

793
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 6: I remember last year I played the guessing game and

794
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, for like two hundred and was

795
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 6: there sixty?

796
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: All right, well we'll put passion. We'll back to work

797
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: when we come back. They actually have a pretty good

798
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: track record of predicting what the Cardinals do in round one.

799
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: That is next, as you wrap up this edition to

800
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage mozented by Santan Forard in Gilbert,

801
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: when the Cardinals are looking at number sixteen there give

802
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: us a gut feel. I mean, how do you think

803
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: they're going to assess the two thousand and eight NFL

804
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 4: Draft and which direction do you think they're going to

805
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 4: go first?

806
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 5: Two rounds. You're gonna be able to get a good

807
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: corner if you're Arizona. If Rogers Carmarti is there, that's

808
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 5: who the Cardinals take. You know, even if there's a

809
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 5: Kalais Campbell there in the second round, that's a position

810
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 5: you got to look at strongly.

811
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: That is a flashback el grande to the two thousand

812
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 4: and eight draft pre draft edition of The Big Red Rage.

813
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: It is a tradition here, all brought to you by

814
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: Santan Ford in Gilbert Dave Pash double Ding. You nailed

815
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: both picks the Cardinals made there the first and second round.

816
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: How about that? Those are some lofty expectations you have

817
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: to live up to this year, Dave.

818
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: I had really good sources, So I can't really I

819
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 5: can't really sit here and be like, oh, I knew,

820
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: I predicted perfectly. Who are they going to take? It's

821
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 5: just information. It's just passing along as humility.

822
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: That was good, and cam Thomas was good, you know.

823
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: I I tell you what, I like the progress he's

824
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: made in the offseason. I like the confidence. It's a

825
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: quiet confidence, like the fact that he says he's up

826
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 4: to two seventy and he had a body scan, he

827
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: could get up to three hundred pounds. What's in his future?

828
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: Could he be a future Zach Allen? Is he going

829
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: to stay at outside linebacker? I'm really intrigued by him,

830
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 4: But I mean him playing at about ten to fifteen pounds,

831
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: heavier and in better shape and stronger. Just his bull

832
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: rush because JJ Watt has given him props on his

833
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: bull rush, what he's able to do this year off

834
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: the edge. Intrigued to see it.

835
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: That's where he's got to be. Polly, gotta use that.

836
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: Weay to put him in a five technique over the

837
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: outside shoulder of a tackle. Gotta put him there, all right.

838
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: So the quote is it's the most uncertain draft in years.

839
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: That's what the insiders are saying.

840
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: Now.

841
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's recency bias. It always seems

842
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: like it's a little uncertain, but I mean, honestly, at

843
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: number three, the Cardinals could go any of four or

844
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: five different positions. They could go any four or five

845
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: different players if they stay at three or if they

846
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: trade down. I mean, how far is too far in

847
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: your mind?

848
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Dave?

849
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 4: If they're entertaining a trade down.

850
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 5: I think it depends on what look they need multiple assets,

851
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 5: So what are you getting? I I it's a team

852
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 5: that's Tennessee. Where's Tennessee pick? They're eleven eleven, So you know,

853
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 5: if you go back to eleven, do you have a

854
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: couple of guys in mind that you think, yeah, they're

855
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 5: probably top five and at number eleven, we feel really good.

856
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: That to me seems like a stretch unless you're getting

857
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 5: so many picks. Again, you're getting something for twenty twenty

858
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: four as well, because I think this draft this year

859
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 5: is not just about twenty twenty three, it's about twenty

860
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 5: twenty four. It's you've got to get multiple assets in

861
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 5: the next two years. So when you take the field

862
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 5: the fall of twenty twenty four, you're battling for the playoffs.

863
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: Not saying they can't this year, but we know with

864
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 5: Kyler being hurt and a lot of new faces and

865
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: a new GM and a new head coach, that the

866
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 5: expectations are going to be low for this year. But

867
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Speaker 5: I think you can raise those expectations for the following

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Speaker 5: year by knocking out a knocking it out of the

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Speaker 5: park with these next two drafts.

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Speaker 4: Let's say it's Tennessee Maniasavord obviously has a great relationship

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Speaker 4: with his former team, right, sold, that would be the

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Speaker 4: Trey Lance deal. That would be two future first round picks,

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Speaker 4: and you swap first round picks this year. Are you

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Speaker 4: willing to wait? Ron Wolfe? Would you do that?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I would bully. As a matter of fact, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. I think that's what's gonna happen. This

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Speaker 1: is just my gut feeling on this. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals will be drafting a player at number three.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get the opportunity. What's the old saying, when

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Speaker 1: preparation meets opportunity, you're gonna have success. Right, that's the

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Speaker 1: definition of success. They're gonna have the opportunity right there

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Speaker 1: to trade down. Somebody is going to fall in love

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Speaker 1: with the player and want to move up to number three.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have that opportunity. And if it were the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, I would not be shocked at all. And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I still think you're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to get Peter Skoronsky they're at number eleven, or even

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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson.

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Speaker 4: Let's go full circle on this show. Come back up

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Speaker 4: to Houston. Number two, picking right before the Cardinals. Are

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Speaker 4: we really buying they're not going to draft quarter I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they did nothing in free agency. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: run Davis Mills and Kyle Allen out there again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they want you to believe.

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Speaker 5: But they can trade down. They have another first round

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Speaker 5: pick where they can take a quarterback or use that

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Speaker 5: to move back up. I would be surprised if Houston

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Speaker 5: picks at number two. I think they're gonna either move

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Speaker 5: out of there.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 5: I'm hopeful, as much as I love Will Anderson, that

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Speaker 5: either he or Tyree Wilson has picked it too, because

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Speaker 5: I just think that opens up tremendous options for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: I think somebody else is going to be picking a

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Speaker 5: quarterback at number two. I do not think it's going

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Speaker 5: to be Houston.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool. And I think number three as well.

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Speaker 1: That applies to the number three. I think they're both

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Speaker 1: going to be trading out.

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Speaker 4: When this process started some two months ago, your ideal

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Speaker 4: scenario was going down to four, Well, yeah, going down

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Speaker 4: to four, still getting Will Anderson, but cashing that in

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Speaker 4: for maybe a round two pick with Indy That would

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Speaker 4: be top a round two, you were get a starting

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Speaker 4: corner or starting d tackle there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I we'll buy the way Ryan Kelly, thank you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we'll take him off your hands since they want him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say, Ryan Kelly, I'll take that.

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Speaker 5: Here's the other thing to consider, guys, the Cardinals aren't

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Speaker 5: the only ones waiting to see what happens at two.

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Speaker 5: You've got all these other teams. How many teams in

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Speaker 5: the moment depending on who what scenario plays out at

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Speaker 5: number two, which team is going to panic and say

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Speaker 5: we've got to get to three, we'll give us this.

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Speaker 5: They're on the clock. Manni says, hey, we want this. Okay,

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Speaker 5: we'll do it because we've got to get this guy

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Speaker 5: at three. You're gonna have a lot of teams out

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Speaker 5: there that are very nervous. And when number two goes

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Speaker 5: and you're on the clock and you've got to make

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Speaker 5: this deal, you might be able to get something from

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Speaker 5: that team that maybe you wouldn't today or a month ago.

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Speaker 4: Speaking to being on the clock, you guys are on

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Speaker 4: the clock. We need a prediction. It's an annual right

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Speaker 4: here on this edition of The Big Red Rage Ponzenta

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Speaker 4: by Santan Ford and Gilbert Ron Wolfley go Cardinal player.

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Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals trade out of number three, they go

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Speaker 1: back to number eleven and they take Peter Skearansky.

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Speaker 5: I think the Cardinals trade down. I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 5: between six and eight. I think they get Paris Johnson.

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Speaker 4: I think they go down to eight with Atlanta. I

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Speaker 4: think Atlanta's a sleeper and they grabbed Devin Witherspoon. That's

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Speaker 4: what I think. There have been some reports out there

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Speaker 4: to that effect. By the way, the Cardinals in terms

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Speaker 4: of visits, the AI that is known as Craig Griolou right,

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Speaker 4: he went in all the reports out there about players

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Speaker 4: that they have visited with. It's dominated by offensive linemen,

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Speaker 4: defensive linemen, and corners, with a few centers mixed in.

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Speaker 4: Three centers they visited with me. You're talking about the

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Speaker 4: top thirty and combine. So just let that hang in

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Speaker 4: the air where the Cardinals are targeting. You know what,

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Speaker 4: you might not love Ron Wolfley will leave you with this.

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Speaker 4: In the last four drafts, only two full backs have

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Speaker 4: been chosen, Just to let you know, so you know what,

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Speaker 4: maybe just maybe saw I hope.

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Speaker 5: Houston takes Bjon Robinson at number two, and it just

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Speaker 5: throws everything into it, everyone.

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Speaker 4: Into it tizzy, especially that Jim Molmanro Mitch Baralda, Special Anks,

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Speaker 4: Cam Thomas, Ron Wolfley and Dave pash On, Paul kelvyc.

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Speaker 4: This has been a Big Red Rage presented by santan

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Speaker 4: Ford in Gilbert. Number one.

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