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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Ali London. Ali is the author of

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Speaker 1: the book Gender Madness, One man's devastating struggle with WALK

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Speaker 1: ideology and his battle to protect children. Hi, Ali, so

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Speaker 1: nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, so great to be with you. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: So I've followed you on you know, Twitter and then

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Speaker 1: X for a very long time, and you're always very

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Speaker 1: on top of all the news. You feel like you

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Speaker 1: have all the stories kind of just as they're breaking.

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Speaker 1: What made you get into this world?

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Speaker 2: So I actually started out on social media being more

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Speaker 2: of a kind of influencer, so travel, fashion, music, comedy

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Speaker 2: videos on TikTok and now I did that for probably

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Speaker 2: about five years, and it just wasn't very fulfilling for me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to actually use my platform to

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Speaker 2: try and do something good, to try to share a

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Speaker 2: positive message and to try help people. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: about three years ago, I actually became a Christian started

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Speaker 2: going to church and that actually really helped me have

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Speaker 2: some clarity in life and just want to change my

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Speaker 2: life and you know, try to give back to other

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Speaker 2: people and raise awareness of issues.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. How did you become a Christian? What led

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Speaker 1: you to that?

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Speaker 2: So? I was going through a kind of identity crisis,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I was very lost, and you know,

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Speaker 2: throughout my life I was you know, I went to

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Speaker 2: a Christian school as a kid, but then as a

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Speaker 2: teenager became atheist and had no relationship with God. I

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Speaker 2: was kind of pushed away from God. You know. It

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Speaker 2: was only three and a half years ago when I

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Speaker 2: needed to make some changes in my life. You know,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't happy with who I was, the direction I

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Speaker 2: that would give me some positivity, that would give me

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Speaker 2: some motivation. Yes, So I basically slowly started going to

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Speaker 2: church and found the Christian community super welcoming and kind

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Speaker 2: and you know, amazing people, and you know, just become

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Speaker 2: very passionate about faith ever since, and just been to

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Speaker 2: the Holy Land Jerusalem, and you know, planning to get

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Speaker 2: baptized later this year. So yeah, it's been a great journey.

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Speaker 1: So it's not an easier path, that's for sure, especially

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Speaker 1: living in a public way. I think it would have

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Speaker 1: been easier to stay an influencer talking about travel and food.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any regrets?

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Speaker 2: You know, it definitely was a lot easier just posting

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Speaker 2: fashion pictures, music, entertainment. You know, I still did get

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Speaker 2: some hate, but you know what the hate now is

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Speaker 2: obviously like tenfold. I've got the transactivists, I've got the

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Speaker 2: Palestine activists. You know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: I think that as long as you're doing something positive

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Speaker 2: I think it doesn't matter about the backlash, doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: about the hate. And you know, it might be more

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Speaker 2: difficult now being outspoken about certain issues, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it's totally worth it when you can make a difference

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Speaker 2: to someone's life, like you know, parents that are maybe

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Speaker 2: struggling with their kids being susceptible to gender idology, or

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Speaker 2: the Jewish community that right now really need people speaking up.

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Speaker 2: So you know, whatever, these the hate, all the difficulties online,

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Speaker 2: it's worth it to try and help these people.

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Speaker 1: What made you right, gender madness.

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Speaker 2: So I went through my own identity crisis for a

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Speaker 2: long time. Actually, since I was a teenager. I always

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Speaker 2: Struggle with gender identity the way I looked. So I

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Speaker 2: went for a lot of changes, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: ago when I became Christian, when I just wasn't satisfied

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Speaker 2: with myself, and you know, I thought, what is what

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Speaker 2: change this? So, you know, I went through that process,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's affecting so many young people these days, kids, teens,

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to compile all of that information in

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Speaker 2: So it's you know, kind of like a self help book.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So not to give away you know,

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Speaker 1: the book plot, let's say, but what's the first step

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a very very tough situation because you have

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think parents really need to be

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Speaker 2: You know, parents can have kind of parental controls on

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Speaker 2: But it is a very difficult situation because some kids,

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Speaker 1: Even when I lived in New York and I saw

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Speaker 1: And if the parents didn't immediately support that, the school

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Speaker 1: Even very left parents often don't.

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't have some school counselor some teacher, you know,

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Speaker 2: And it is very concerning because, like you said, there

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Speaker 2: what happened, what happened to tom boys? There are so

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Speaker 2: many tomboys in the seventeen eighties, nineties suddenly that they

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Speaker 2: You know, we should just let kids enjoy their lives,

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's it's you're absolutely right. There are

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Speaker 2: So it's a really horrible situation for any family. Right.

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Speaker 1: I often say this, but had this happened when I

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Speaker 1: call me a different pronoun every day they get it wrong, they.

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Speaker 1: Oh, their power. I would have definitely liked that. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's also now all sorts of trends. You've

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Speaker 2: teachers going along with it. That is just insanity. It's

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Speaker 2: like crazy. So we get that kids. You know, a

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Speaker 2: you know, like Katie Perry. But it doesn't mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: let's take you to the dog, Let's get you some hormones,

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Speaker 2: just insanity. And like you said, you know, years ago

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Speaker 2: that would have been.

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Speaker 1: Why I would do it. I feel like I was

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Speaker 1: always pretty girly, but I would have one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: the way. So it wasn't enough that you get all

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Speaker 1: very much how I feel about the Christians in my life.

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Speaker 1: I've loved this conversation. You're such an interesting person. Leave

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Speaker 1: us here, with your best tip for my listeners on

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Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: So my best tip would just be again, yeah, do

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Speaker 2: something positive every day. And you know everybody has stress

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Speaker 2: free jobs. You know, you might be going for a

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Speaker 2: difficult time, you might be going through divorce. But just

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Speaker 2: try to every day do something positive to help somebody

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Speaker 2: else's life, whether that's smiling at someone you know, taking

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Speaker 2: a moment to help an elderly lady across the street,

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Speaker 2: you know, speaking to someone in a store. You know,

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Speaker 2: just spread positivity. I think if you do that, you

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Speaker 2: receive that positivity back and you know, it can change

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Speaker 2: your outlook on life, it can make you positive. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: just try to do something good every day.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much. He is Ali London.

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Speaker 1: Check out his book Gender Madness. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming on, Ali, that's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Carol