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Speaker 1: episode description. Hi everybody, I'm Susie Esmond. Who are you.
Speaker 2: I'm Jeff Garland And who's our special guest today?
Speaker 3: Cheryl?
Speaker 4: Hi, Cheryl Hie. Hi guys, Hi Cheryl.
Speaker 1: This is fun and we are on season three, episode ten,
Speaker 1: the Grand Opening. People love this episode. Yes, I love
Speaker 1: this episode. I am questioned about this episode frequently.
Speaker 4: I know you are.
Speaker 1: I always love like an episode where I'm not in
Speaker 1: it a lot, but I'm talked about.
Speaker 4: I like that you left an impression. Yes, one quote that, yes.
Speaker 3: We'll get lost from that, And that's not even my
Speaker 3: favorite quote. There's another one that I love.
Speaker 4: All right, There's so many in this one.
Speaker 1: So we start out the local news is on TV
Speaker 1: and Cheryl and Larry are getting ready for bed, and
Speaker 1: Cheryl's like, guess who canceled lunch with me again? Susie Green,
Speaker 1: She keeps canceling lunch at me and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and she used the stupid excuse that she had a
Speaker 1: dental appointment, and Cheryl says, it's bullshit, And I love
Speaker 1: that dynamic created usually Cheryl and I are partners in crime.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, wear us against these two. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I think though that it wasn't developed. Then develop that
Speaker 3: in the hour Cheryl hated my character, that's right, And
Speaker 3: then the HBO said to keep that going, and Larry said,
Speaker 3: I don't have a show of those two hate each other,
Speaker 3: and that's why it completely changed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know a lot of these relationships.
Speaker 1: If you were saying about Larry and I in the
Speaker 1: last episode about our dynamic, how it changed, you know,
Speaker 1: and even you and I are dynamic has changed. So's
Speaker 1: it's something that you develop, especially when you're improvising.
Speaker 4: We don't know what it is. We're just making it
Speaker 4: up as we go along.
Speaker 1: Yes, So Larry says, maybe she's telling the truth. And
Speaker 1: then Cheryl asked Larry for a favor. She saw an
Speaker 1: osteopath for her cough and the osteopath said, if you
Speaker 1: take colon cleans, it'll just flush it right out of you.
Speaker 4: The coughs right out of you, which sounds ridiculous to me.
Speaker 3: And does question it. He does question and I'll do it.
Speaker 4: He doesn't really believe it.
Speaker 1: And then we see in the background on the local
Speaker 1: news Andy Portico, who is the local restaurant critic.
Speaker 3: Played by Paul Wilson, who I've worked with before, who
Speaker 3: is a very funny man. He used to be on Cheers.
Speaker 3: He was not a regular, but he had a recurring
Speaker 3: role on Cheers.
Speaker 1: And he's known Andy portgo for this thumbs up thumbs down,
Speaker 1: you know, that's his whole shtick about restaurants. And he
Speaker 1: gives a horrible review to this restaurant two thumbs down,
Speaker 1: and then Larry mentions he's coming into the opening.
Speaker 4: So it's a little sketchy. This guy is a hatchet man.
Speaker 1: You know, he's going to destroy He gives a bad review,
Speaker 1: the restaurant is over. He's controlling the fate of our restaurant,
Speaker 1: is what Larry says. And then oh, Larry mentions that
Speaker 1: Jeff's daughter, Sammy, goes to the same school as Andy
Speaker 1: Portico's son. So we cut to Larry and Jeff. They
Speaker 1: are in the health food store getting Sheryl Colon cleansed.
Speaker 1: It's the Rainbow health food store, and Larry always says
Speaker 1: he always feels more unhealthy in a health food store.
Speaker 1: And he asked Jeff about Susie's bullshit excuse, and Jeff says, no,
Speaker 1: it's true.
Speaker 4: She was at a dental appointment. I was with her.
Speaker 3: Now, not having seen this episode in years, I assumed
Speaker 3: I was lying when I said, no, it's true.
Speaker 4: No, that's true.
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm saying I didn't remember the episode
Speaker 3: except little parts. And I was like, yeah, that's I'm lying.
Speaker 3: I guess I say it the same way either way.
Speaker 4: You're a very good liar. Yeah, I guess you're very
Speaker 4: used to it well.
Speaker 1: And Jeff Green is a very practiced liar, Ye, much
Speaker 1: more so than Jeff Garland.
Speaker 4: I assume I don't really lie. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Jeff Green and Larry David are big fucking liars on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Because lying only gets you into by the way this
Speaker 3: show is, this show, sample of lying gets you into
Speaker 3: worse trouble. And I've always felt that, and that's the
Speaker 3: way I work. Big ears small mouth.
Speaker 4: Also big ears small mouth. Yeah, love hearing, don't talk well.
Speaker 4: You have not followed that, Oh, yes, I have.
Speaker 3: I most certainly have. And especially by the way, Larry
Speaker 3: and I, that's our mantra with each other. Okay, like
Speaker 3: you know, if he tells me something, I don't say anything.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, different, I see what.
Speaker 3: You're saying about people I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, we get it.
Speaker 1: So then Larry is the clerk where the colon cleanses,
Speaker 1: and the clerk shouts across to the cashier guy, where's
Speaker 1: the call? And everybody's staring at Larry about getting the
Speaker 1: colon picking of everybody?
Speaker 3: Did you notice someone in that scene now as one
Speaker 3: of the customers, Aaron O'Malley.
Speaker 4: I didn't notice that.
Speaker 2: Shoot, I didn't notice them because my friend Ben Falcone
Speaker 2: is the person that shouts it right, where's the okay,
Speaker 2: which I which I didn't. I totally forgot. The man
Speaker 2: is married to Melissa McCarthy, who.
Speaker 3: You also got on the show. She was in the
Speaker 3: with the doll and the toy start because he was looking.
Speaker 2: For gosh, these guys, these guys are groundlings. And then
Speaker 2: so I would you know, when we were casting stuff,
Speaker 2: I would always bring in my friends like you have
Speaker 2: to you have to see this person.
Speaker 4: You have to see that person, and they come in and.
Speaker 1: So Cheryl would bring in Groundlings and Jeff would bring
Speaker 1: in Second City.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for the most part, Yeah, that was very true. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well then they were all terrific and well trained improv people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part, they were all cast It.
Speaker 4: Does feel like that. It does feel like that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because they were all good.
Speaker 1: They were all good, and you know, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're working with somebody in that context improvising, you know
Speaker 1: whether they're good or not. It's it's like because you're
Speaker 1: you're on stage with them, and it's you know, and they're.
Speaker 3: Also the most equipped to do the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Larry screams is for my wife, you know,
Speaker 1: he gets all embarrasses from my wife. And then and
Speaker 1: then in the door he sees somebody that looks very familiar,
Speaker 1: a guy with a full head of dark hair, you know,
Speaker 1: walking out into the parking lot and he's and he's
Speaker 1: like realizing that's the chef that he hired. And he
Speaker 1: only hired the chef because he was bald. But Cheryl
Speaker 1: pointed out in that episode before this one that he
Speaker 1: only hired the chef because he was bald, and Larry
Speaker 1: and Jeff confront the chef. What was his name, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I forgot Gomez played the chef.
Speaker 4: No, but not that with the chef's name. I forgot.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you that in a million years.
Speaker 4: And they're like, what's with the two pei?
Speaker 3: Phil? Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's.
Speaker 3: I thought?
Speaker 1: You said?
Speaker 3: You didn't well, yeah, I did came into the interview.
Speaker 5: Yes, I I just assumed, and I was right that
Speaker 5: you're one of those people find that men who enhance
Speaker 5: their appearance are wrong and stupid. So I took my
Speaker 5: to pay off.
Speaker 3: You came in ball just to get the job.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I deceived. I hope this doesn't you know,
Speaker 5: affect you know.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry, but but but it will.
Speaker 6: I know, but I don't trust you.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. You gotta be ashamed of yourself. Let's go.
Speaker 4: And all that. That's it, you know, that's was hilarious anyway, Yes.
Speaker 3: But also Ian's explanation of that he thought that he
Speaker 3: shouldn't wear it for the interview, and then when he
Speaker 3: saw that Larry really had discussed for people wearing too
Speaker 3: pass the choice the Nazi should have picked them up.
Speaker 3: That's extreme. And then so he wouldn't wear it whenever
Speaker 3: he saw Larry. And I think that's reasonable. But Larry's like,
Speaker 3: I have to fall.
Speaker 1: Larry doesn't trust him, and he is he's Larry's you
Speaker 1: ought to be ashamed of yourself. And if Larry once
Speaker 1: told my husband, Jimmy has a shaved heed.
Speaker 4: He's ball, but he shaves his head.
Speaker 1: And Larry once told him that he's not really a
Speaker 1: part of the Ball brotherhood because he fakes it by
Speaker 1: trying to make it seem like he's part of the
Speaker 1: by shaving a bald community. Talk about the bald community brotherhood,
Speaker 1: he says, also bald brotherhood. And then you're in the car,
Speaker 1: Larry and Jeff are in the car, and what was
Speaker 1: he thinking?
Speaker 4: He had no plan. He had no plan, you know,
Speaker 4: no system.
Speaker 1: And Larry says that Jeff would have a proclivity to
Speaker 1: hire a fat person as opposed to a thin person.
Speaker 3: So, by the way, I don't know if that's true
Speaker 3: about fat people. I think that's a false observation. It
Speaker 3: would depend.
Speaker 4: I doubt it's true about bull people too.
Speaker 1: It's only no, no, no, I think it's true.
Speaker 3: Thinks that would be definitely true, that you'd have a
Speaker 3: proclivity for other ball people like you know, that's like
Speaker 3: you know, he says, the community, the brotherhood, that is real.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I feel an affinity for curly heads.
Speaker 1: What for women with curly hair?
Speaker 4: I feel an affinity for them.
Speaker 3: Oh, so would you hire someone?
Speaker 1: But I feel because it's such a thing when you
Speaker 1: grow when you grow up with curly hair, it is
Speaker 1: a thing, trust me. And whenever I see somebody with
Speaker 1: curly hair, we always say what products do you use?
Speaker 1: There's always like some kind of connection about having curly hair.
Speaker 4: That's too funny.
Speaker 2: But by the way, Jebo, one of my favorite lines
Speaker 2: in the show, and I won't even quote it, but
Speaker 2: when you guys were talking about this chef wearing the
Speaker 2: two pay in the day and not wearing it at night,
Speaker 2: and you said, what kind of life is that he's.
Speaker 4: He's like living a duel consistance.
Speaker 3: By the way, this is also I leave the first
Speaker 3: time Larry and I just have a conversation, like a
Speaker 3: full on conversation about stuff in the show. I think
Speaker 3: before it was more succinct. And I love when they're yes, yes,
Speaker 3: that's because that's the way I like to work. I
Speaker 3: don't care how much screen time. I just like working
Speaker 3: with air. I don't like when it has to be succinct.
Speaker 1: Well, then you guys go into a whole riff on
Speaker 1: this thing about yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I do so, so what well, I just
Speaker 3: want you to notice, Okay, I noticed it is duly noted.
Speaker 3: All right, I did you. I knew before I.
Speaker 4: Was going to say that too.
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say that. I knew
Speaker 1: you were going to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 1: was very.
Speaker 3: Funny and it's funny and I love it. Do you
Speaker 3: remember in the in the Richard Kindes episode, I was
Speaker 3: talking about the scene at the entrance to the cemetery
Speaker 3: that it was cut out, Yeah, and they killed me
Speaker 3: because it was one of those scenes it was just
Speaker 3: so real and funny and they killed me. So that's
Speaker 3: what this scene is like, like.
Speaker 1: That, right, okay, right, And you know, I think those
Speaker 1: scenes are important between all of us, just to show
Speaker 1: what the relationships are.
Speaker 3: They're very important. You know.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things that I really noticed watching
Speaker 2: these two episodes, you know, watching this one, and because
Speaker 2: back in these early days, so many of my scenes
Speaker 2: with Larry were in our bedroom. Yes, you know, getting
Speaker 2: ready for bed, and it's like it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: a scene. It just felt like we're talking about stuff.
Speaker 2: And I really missed that part, you know, because.
Speaker 4: People are intimacy.
Speaker 2: Intimacy, Yeah, people are different where they're out with their fat.
Speaker 3: By the way, those scenes we believe you're married. It
Speaker 3: firmly establishes your relationships.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, when we were shooting, especially during that time,
Speaker 2: sometimes I would feel like, oh, I have a dual existence,
Speaker 2: Like I think in one world I'm married to Larry,
Speaker 2: and then another world.
Speaker 4: I'm a completely different person.
Speaker 2: But when we were shooting, because you know, just because
Speaker 2: of the nature of the show and it's improvised, and
Speaker 2: usually you know, the takes are pretty long because we
Speaker 2: just we don't know what I want to cut, and
Speaker 2: it would just be quiet, you know, scenes with me
Speaker 2: and Larry just lying in bed or brushing our teeth.
Speaker 4: I love those scenes. Yeah, I love those scenes.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I know there was not
Speaker 1: stuff that was written, but great stuff came out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a skeleton on those scenes, the skeleton script.
Speaker 3: It was a Bear essentials.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I miss I really miss those because that
Speaker 2: that was really fun. And like you're saying intimate, okay,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well, if anyone doesn't need to say okay,
Speaker 3: go ahead, it's you. I'm annoying one. I'm the bipolar one.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 3: We're just so happy to have you here to talk.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, we'll be right back.
Speaker 7: Stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So then you guys established no chef and the restaurant
Speaker 1: is opening in four days because Larry now has to
Speaker 1: fire the guy because he has a two pay.
Speaker 4: He can't he can't have the guy be the chef
Speaker 4: because he has to pay.
Speaker 1: So then you're gonna go to Sammy's school and drop
Speaker 1: off Sammy's lunch, and then you're gonna go to the restaurant.
Speaker 1: So you go to Sammy's school and Larry sees these
Speaker 1: all these kids, these teenagers, because it's a K through
Speaker 1: twelfth school and they're all both First, Larry sees the kid.
Speaker 4: He goes, oh, look at that kid. He's going through
Speaker 4: chemo therapy.
Speaker 1: And Jeff explains to him, no, there is a kid
Speaker 1: going through chemo therapy at the school. And all the
Speaker 1: other seniors shave their heads in solidarity with this kid
Speaker 1: who's going through chemo.
Speaker 3: May I say something logic wise, why is Sammy going
Speaker 3: to school with seniors in high school? She's like eight?
Speaker 1: Because Larry asked you that question and you said it's
Speaker 1: a K through twelve school. Oh, I'm sorry that he
Speaker 1: asked you that question. The thing so because obviously it
Speaker 1: was odd to him as well. And Larry has a
Speaker 1: moment where he says, you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe one day I'll got a chance to do
Speaker 3: something good for somebody like that. It's really touching. You've
Speaker 3: already got a kind of a head start.
Speaker 1: Actually, maybe someday I'll be able to do something, you know,
Speaker 1: like that shave my head in solidarity and show support
Speaker 1: to somebody. Maybe someday I'll be able to do that.
Speaker 1: And knowing him as we know him, you just think
Speaker 1: he'll never be able to do it.
Speaker 3: Head start.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: And then there's a game of dodgeball, which I you
Speaker 1: know what, I remember dodgeball very very well.
Speaker 4: I hated dodgeball, terrifying.
Speaker 1: We had this really sadistic gym teacher, mister Anderson, and
Speaker 1: he used, you know, the boys used to throw the
Speaker 1: ball and.
Speaker 4: You would get the burning I know, and he would
Speaker 4: enjoy it. I really think he used to enjoy the.
Speaker 2: Same things happened with me, and it was terrifying. It
Speaker 2: was terrified that ball coming I could really get hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We used to play a game called bombardment, which
Speaker 3: is a little bit because dodgeball there's lots of balls
Speaker 3: going at once. Bombardment it's one ball that you throw
Speaker 3: and try and hit somebody and knock come out. And
Speaker 3: I remember it was very disturbing for me. I was
Speaker 3: very athletic, so I was in until the end. But
Speaker 3: that being said, the weakest kids were the first targets.
Speaker 3: And I saw I saw these poor, sweet, nerdy kids
Speaker 3: who were horrified getting like it was just so terrifying
Speaker 3: and wrong. Yeah, bombardment, dodgeball should be voluntary.
Speaker 1: On Yeah, and you know what what I recall is
Speaker 1: the boys. If the boys liked you, they'd hit you
Speaker 1: extra hard, you know, because they were eight or nine.
Speaker 4: And we want to show how exactly.
Speaker 1: So there is a game of dodgeball, and we see
Speaker 1: that Andy Portico thumbs up thumbs down, is playing and
Speaker 1: Larry gets into the game with Andy, and Portico says,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to your restaurant next.
Speaker 4: Week to review it. And you see Portico is fucking
Speaker 4: brutal in this dodge ball game. He's hitting kids. He's
Speaker 4: just competitive. You're really taking him out. Yeah, when he's.
Speaker 3: Hitting the kids, it is really funny.
Speaker 4: It is really funny.
Speaker 1: Well you see who this guy is. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a great indication of who this guy is. It's a
Speaker 1: character thing. And then he starts going back and forth
Speaker 1: with Larry and they get into it.
Speaker 6: All right, you hit the ground, hit the ground, hit
Speaker 6: the ground, Portoco.
Speaker 7: Well you've ben done.
Speaker 1: Sorry, And finally Larry throws the ball at him really
Speaker 1: hard and he breaks his fingers.
Speaker 4: Not good now, by the way.
Speaker 3: When I come out and I say, what the fuck,
Speaker 3: I think that's the first what the fuck. I'm being
Speaker 3: serious when I say these things because I've said it
Speaker 3: to him so many times on the show. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: might be the first what the fuck? And I have
Speaker 3: two pieces of information. One's a trivia piece and one's
Speaker 3: so even though I say I'm walking off to go
Speaker 3: deliver it to Sammy, I'm not. I'm back in my
Speaker 3: producer's chair watching on the monitor. So I'm sitting there
Speaker 3: and Larry looks at me before the scene's being shot
Speaker 3: and he goes, you know, what to do, and I go,
Speaker 3: I do my job on the show. From the very
Speaker 3: beginning to the very end was extra water my eyes.
Speaker 3: I'd watched the scene, certainly, but I was the one
Speaker 3: watching the extress and I'm not allowed to talk to
Speaker 3: the extress. Neither is the director the AD.
Speaker 4: So it was wait, so let me ask, wait, is
Speaker 4: that true? Dale? It was Dale? Yeah, Dale, they're not.
Speaker 1: They're literally only the AD is allowed to talk to extras.
Speaker 4: That's a rule.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know that he's the one who communicates with them,
Speaker 3: so otherwise they'd be hearing things from a million different directions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Dale was really Stern.
Speaker 3: Dale Stern was running in circles that day because there
Speaker 3: were so many extras, being afraid of the ball in
Speaker 3: a gigantic way, throwing the ball with a spin like
Speaker 3: nothing was real. So I'm doing that, doing that, doing that. Okay,
Speaker 3: Now that day was a really I've got goosebumps because
Speaker 3: I never forget it. So we're at lunchtime and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting in the parking lot away from everybody in the
Speaker 3: director's chair, and I get a phone call telling me
Speaker 3: I've been casting Daddy Daycare, that I'm going to be
Speaker 3: one of the leads in a movie with Eddie Murphy,
Speaker 3: and I remember sitting there on the set. I could
Speaker 3: not believe it. I could I was in awe And
Speaker 3: actually Aeron O'Malley took a picture of me in that
Speaker 3: moment of me being on the.
Speaker 1: Phone, But that was Can I just say tell everybody
Speaker 1: who Erin O'Malley is Erin O'Malley was our line producer
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 3: Who became coexect and exec who even from the moment
Speaker 3: she was line producer, she should have been given the
Speaker 3: credit of executive producer.
Speaker 1: What she she was terrific And she's now a director.
Speaker 1: She directs like crazy now.
Speaker 3: She was an executive producer of You Girl, like so
Speaker 3: many big shows she's been the executive producer on and
Speaker 3: I know because she's produced two of my movies that
Speaker 3: she's always wanted to direct, and so I'm so happy
Speaker 3: for her. And I'm seeing her in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: So you could tell me to say hello to.
Speaker 4: Her, Please say hell, Erin O'Malley, We say hello, Okay.
Speaker 3: Cool. So that's a trivia and a piece of information
Speaker 3: on extras.
Speaker 4: And extras are a whole other thing.
Speaker 3: Background is a big ball of interesting.
Speaker 4: Yes on many levels, Cheryl, What were you going to say, honey.
Speaker 2: No, no, I was I'm just agreeing with you about
Speaker 2: the extras.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've had some moments. Yes.
Speaker 3: By the way, whenever we film with background, I go
Speaker 3: around to them and thank them for doing the show. Yes,
Speaker 3: a show which which they're always like what, I go, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: thank you very much.
Speaker 4: For doing that. Very sweet to me.
Speaker 1: The most challenging thing with extras was during the pandemic.
Speaker 4: That was very challenging. That's later on.
Speaker 2: I was just what, it's a one little background story
Speaker 2: and it's not about this episode, but it's it'll be
Speaker 2: one in the future.
Speaker 4: And I couldn't even tell you which one.
Speaker 2: But and I don't know if you guys were there
Speaker 2: that day, but we were shooting something where, you know,
Speaker 2: like a wake type of a thing in somebody's living room.
Speaker 4: Somebody had just died.
Speaker 3: And no, that's already happened that season one, beloved ant.
Speaker 4: Well, it could have been something else.
Speaker 1: I know, the bunk Houser memorial's been.
Speaker 2: Many Yeah, I think this one is is later later,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure it was the second idea. I told
Speaker 2: background not to talk in this scene, you know, just
Speaker 2: the principles, and so it's kind of a quiet scene
Speaker 2: and Larry walks up to one of the background and says, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know who died, but let's say
Speaker 2: his name was Frank.
Speaker 4: And he's like, how did you know Frank?
Speaker 2: And the background player just started mouthing words.
Speaker 3: Remember, holy shit, I had completely forgotten that. And there
Speaker 3: was one you know, Larry and I for the rest
Speaker 3: of time would imitate that. Oh my god, I know
Speaker 3: where that was. That was at the scene where Larry
Speaker 3: throws a twenty dollars bill on the ground because he
Speaker 3: stole the perfume for you.
Speaker 1: That's when it keeps going on a funk Houser memorial.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: And then Larry was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And the guy is still like mouthing words back to Larry.
Speaker 3: Well, it was Larry's fault for asking him a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Larry was like, what's going on in this scene?
Speaker 2: And you know did they stopped it down and asked
Speaker 2: the guy and he said I was told not to talk.
Speaker 2: And then Larry, if my memory serves me, I think
Speaker 2: Larry was so taken with the guy that he said
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a question you can answer.
Speaker 4: Think you got a lie in that day.
Speaker 3: For a period that didn't happen towards the later seasons,
Speaker 3: but for a period we upgraded more extras than I've
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life, including beloved ant. All those
Speaker 3: people sitting on the couch in the living room were background,
Speaker 3: and suddenly they all had parts and they were free
Speaker 3: to talk. And by the way they were, they were
Speaker 3: fucking good too.
Speaker 1: And Jeff, let's just clarify for people who don't know,
Speaker 1: extras are paid more if they speak background.
Speaker 4: If they have no extras, they're upgraded to an under five.
Speaker 3: Or if they do more than five, they get it.
Speaker 4: They're paid more credit. They get it. You know, you
Speaker 4: put it.
Speaker 3: They're acting, and that's an acting job. Not that I
Speaker 3: think background is acting. Great.
Speaker 4: Background it is is so appreciative. It's hard to do.
Speaker 4: It is hard to do.
Speaker 1: And by the way, they got to do it over
Speaker 1: and over and over again, take after take after take. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we're back at Bobo's at the restaurant, and
Speaker 1: Larry says, they're all upset that everybody's there. Jim Swinson
Speaker 1: and Susi Nakamura and lu DiMaggio and Michael York and
Speaker 1: apparently Ted is gone. Ted has taking his money and left,
Speaker 1: and Larry said he had to fire him. He's a liar.
Speaker 1: And now they're all, you know, nonplussed. You know, Portico's
Speaker 1: gonna they're stuck in the mire, in the muck, and
Speaker 1: Portico is going to slaughter around.
Speaker 3: Hold on. That is the minutia kind of thing that
Speaker 3: Larry loves. I love as a viewer. I love being
Speaker 3: there watching it.
Speaker 1: When he says a language thing too, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a use of legs.
Speaker 3: The nuance of both words that might mean the same
Speaker 3: and going back and forth. I find that so delightful.
Speaker 3: And Larry's great at it.
Speaker 4: Great at it. Well, he said, he's such a word smith.
Speaker 1: And then they tell Larry he's got to go apologize
Speaker 1: to Portico.
Speaker 4: So he does.
Speaker 1: He goes to apologize to Portico, and we see Portico's
Speaker 1: got two too big.
Speaker 4: His hands are completely wrapped up.
Speaker 1: Why for a couple of fingers, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it works, and and Eldie apologizes and he won't be
Speaker 1: able to review the restaurant now because he can't do
Speaker 1: thumbs up with thumbs down.
Speaker 4: That's his stick. If he can't do thumbs up thumbs down,
Speaker 4: it's over for him.
Speaker 1: And Portico tells him about this chef that he knows
Speaker 1: who was just at Martinez in New York, Gee Berney Burney.
Speaker 4: What was his name was that it Jeff, It's gee,
Speaker 4: He's friend.
Speaker 1: And then the Portico's assistant brings him spaghetti, and Portico
Speaker 1: is completely abusive to the assistant, so you see what
Speaker 1: a fucking asshole this guy is, and eld starts to
Speaker 1: feed him the spaghetti, which is really gross.
Speaker 8: Let's make this happen, Larry, okay, come on, no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: No no no, and will you stop?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, you please? You come on?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, it's good, isn't it? Oddy? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Oh by the way he started. Hold on,
Speaker 3: he starts out giving small amounts and then he starts
Speaker 3: shoving tork folds, which is hilarious.
Speaker 1: Then we go out, and I think I think he
Speaker 1: did that because he's no longer reviewing the restaurants, so
Speaker 1: we didn't have to be nice to him anymore.
Speaker 3: But I think his big motivation was the way he treated.
Speaker 4: His assistance was horrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be
Speaker 4: right back.
Speaker 7: Stay tuned. Okay, we're back.
Speaker 1: And then we cut to the restaurant and they were
Speaker 1: interviewing Gie Bernet, who is played by Paul Sand Paul
Speaker 1: Sand who he is.
Speaker 3: Second City and also a legend and show legend and
Speaker 3: a true and a true genius on so many levels.
Speaker 3: He had the highest rated show ever to be canceled
Speaker 3: on network TV.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 3: It was a I can't yes, it was sitcom. It
Speaker 3: was on Saturday Nights with Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart
Speaker 3: and all that, and it was really successful. And I
Speaker 3: forgot the read he told me the story. I cannot
Speaker 3: remember it now, but I think that's a fascinating piece
Speaker 3: of trivia.
Speaker 4: Well why did they cancel it? Who knows?
Speaker 3: I don't remember it, but it was at the time.
Speaker 3: It may still be the highest rated show ever to
Speaker 3: get canceled.
Speaker 1: Okay, And we see Paul Sand is playing Gee, and
Speaker 1: he's French, and he's very you know, particularly he will
Speaker 1: not cook salmon, he will not take it, he will
Speaker 1: not poach it.
Speaker 4: He did, will not cook with capers, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I hate you see, he's like an ex crazy
Speaker 1: guy and then Larry notices a number tattooed on his
Speaker 1: forearm and assumes that he is a Holocaust survivor, because
Speaker 1: when you entered a concentration camp, they tattooed a number
Speaker 1: onto your arm because you were just cattle.
Speaker 4: You were not a human being.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Gee starts she cockstucker and starts,
Speaker 1: you know, cursing sing. Then we cut to Cheryl and
Speaker 1: Larry getting into Larry's car, and Larry's car is filthy
Speaker 1: and disgusting, and Cheryl complains about it, that it's disgusting,
Speaker 1: and Larry says, I'm going to go to a car wash,
Speaker 1: and Cheryl says, I don't have time.
Speaker 4: I'm meeting Susie for lunch.
Speaker 1: If i'm late, she's going to be angry at me again,
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and Larry says it's only going
Speaker 1: to take two minutes.
Speaker 4: And then they're in the car wash. Now, Cheryl, I
Speaker 4: know you remember shooting this scene.
Speaker 3: Oh we do. Yes, by the way, I remember it,
Speaker 3: and I was in awe. I could not believe it.
Speaker 3: Larry and I just kept saying this phrase over to
Speaker 3: one another, what a sport?
Speaker 4: Yes, you really were?
Speaker 3: We said that maybe a hundred times. Wow.
Speaker 4: So you went into a real car wash. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: he was a real car wash, which is crazy. So
Speaker 4: let me let me just say what happens and then
Speaker 4: we'll go to that.
Speaker 1: In the car wash, Cheryl's getting cramps from her calling cleans,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the car is stuck. It's
Speaker 1: not moving. You're banging on the window. Cheryl has to
Speaker 1: go really bed. Larry calls, tries to get the number
Speaker 1: of the car wash. He finally gets it. He's screaming
Speaker 1: at the woman. She can't hear him because it's so loud.
Speaker 3: And by the way, she's smiling all through that, which
Speaker 3: I thought was awesome.
Speaker 4: Yes, and then Cheryl can't stand it anymore. She's got
Speaker 4: a poop and she gets out of the car.
Speaker 7: Larry, you wait, wait, I go, I gotta go, I
Speaker 7: gotta go, I gotta go.
Speaker 4: What do you remember about that? Well, you know, we
Speaker 4: kept shooting the end.
Speaker 2: Side of the car before I had to actually kill
Speaker 2: and uh, it was and forth when you were going
Speaker 2: back and how did they how did they shoot? They
Speaker 2: just turned on the air condition or the car wash,
Speaker 2: and they said, do you want to try it? Because
Speaker 2: it would be great to get your face and just
Speaker 2: do as much as you can.
Speaker 9: And I was like, all right, what a sport, and
Speaker 9: started walking through how many takes?
Speaker 4: Do you remember? How many takes?
Speaker 2: I know we at least did it twice because I
Speaker 2: remember having to dry off everything and change and drying.
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm pretty sure it was only twice,
Speaker 3: and the stunt double didn't need.
Speaker 5: To do it.
Speaker 4: I don't think she ever did.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: No, but I hope you. I hope you went home
Speaker 4: and took a shower. No need was beyond clean after that. Okay,
Speaker 4: So Cheryl, as we know, gets caught in the hall
Speaker 4: flapping straps and and all.
Speaker 1: Of that, gets out of the car, and then we
Speaker 1: cut to it is the grand opening of Bobos and
Speaker 1: dumb name Bobo, and Jeff and Larry are talking and
Speaker 1: Jeff tells Larry that Susie's craze. She doesn't believe Cheryl
Speaker 1: got stuck in a car wash. So we're seeing that
Speaker 1: the whole thing between us and Larry to the group,
Speaker 1: so we want to put down bread or we want
Speaker 1: to put down olives and geezas to the background, No olives, no, no,
Speaker 1: no olives.
Speaker 7: What do you do with the pit.
Speaker 1: They discuss lemon and water, and again he's like, motherfucking
Speaker 1: cocksucking asshole, And it's not the grand opening yet.
Speaker 4: There are just at the rest of them made a mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Damasio says, I'm beginning to think it's involuntary
Speaker 1: there screaming out. So they're starting to figure out the
Speaker 1: gee character has Tourette's and that Portico did this on
Speaker 1: purpose to fuck them.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because of the restaurant the way it was. It's
Speaker 4: an open kitchen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an open kitchen so everyone can watch the
Speaker 2: chef and can be a part of that experience.
Speaker 1: And when he was in Martinez in New York, it
Speaker 1: was the kitchen was in the back, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Larry says he can't fire him because he's a Holocaust survivor.
Speaker 1: Cut to Larry and Cheryl getting dressed again in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: Another seat in the bedroom, Cheryl and Jerry's fetching, and
Speaker 1: Cheryl says, is this two notts landing? And Larry has
Speaker 1: no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 3: That's one of the great lines. I know it's a show,
Speaker 3: but I have no idea what that means. That's a
Speaker 3: great loan because that back then, there's no way I
Speaker 3: watched Notts Landing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew it was knew in the ether, you
Speaker 4: know that what No, No, I.
Speaker 3: Knew it was a show because I followed TV. I
Speaker 3: used to get the fall preview TV.
Speaker 4: The A's many shows, so you knew what shows there were.
Speaker 3: It was a hand But for those kinds of shows,
Speaker 3: it was not Landing in Dallas and Dynasty. Yeah, Dynasty too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, those were the primetime soaps, is what they
Speaker 3: initially called him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Larry doesn't get the reference.
Speaker 1: And Larry says, and quite astutely, he doesn't understand why
Speaker 1: this chef doesn't curse in French?
Speaker 4: Why in English?
Speaker 7: He's got a point. What I saw I was.
Speaker 4: Such a good question.
Speaker 1: Cheryl says she's not looking forward to running into Susie
Speaker 1: Green at the opening. She she hates me and she
Speaker 1: won't even talk to me. And then we are at
Speaker 1: the grand opening and everybody's there. Jeff's parents are there,
Speaker 1: Cheryl's parents are there, Louis is.
Speaker 4: There sitting with Joyce. His real wife was his day.
Speaker 1: Assistant, the janitor, Caroline Aaron I forgot the name of
Speaker 1: her character.
Speaker 4: The housekeeper was yes, Dora was there. Everyone's there.
Speaker 1: Everybody has bells on the table, and Larry sees a
Speaker 1: whole group of investors and wearing Larry sees the investors
Speaker 1: hanging out at the bar, and he goes to the
Speaker 1: investors and Jim Swinson's a little drunk.
Speaker 4: And where Susie. Everybody's asking where I am?
Speaker 3: And also if I can point out, I'm wearing a
Speaker 3: red shirt today, but back then, I was wearing a
Speaker 3: dress shirt in this color, the bright red. Yes, and
Speaker 3: all I thought to myself, Oh, that's insane, that's insane,
Speaker 3: because it was really no one wears a red shirt
Speaker 3: like that with their.
Speaker 4: True red dress shirt yet little red shirt.
Speaker 3: It was nuts.
Speaker 1: So Larry goes to say hello to Gee at the thing,
Speaker 1: and Gee is very upset because Gee missed the lottery
Speaker 1: by one number. And he shows Larry the numbers on
Speaker 1: his arms that he wrote down his lottery numbers, so.
Speaker 4: The numbers were not and he spits.
Speaker 1: He spits into his finger and he hears it all
Speaker 1: and he rubs it off and erases it.
Speaker 4: So Larry realizes he's not a Holocaust survivor. He's a
Speaker 4: lottery player.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to say something. This is the first
Speaker 3: time that he ever used an outside idea that wasn't
Speaker 3: his ever, And it was also the first time where
Speaker 3: I said, you know this comedian, I know David Feldman
Speaker 3: has a great idea. And that was David Feldman's idea?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 3: Because Larry loved it right away? But Larry didn't use
Speaker 3: anyone's outside Yes, that's.
Speaker 7: Not true, Jeff.
Speaker 4: We learned in the prior episode he used Cheryl's idea
Speaker 4: for the but.
Speaker 3: That was not Cheryl's idea. She didn't pitch it to him.
Speaker 3: She was telling you was experiencing. That doesn't count. This
Speaker 3: is the one time and he loved He knew David Feldman,
Speaker 3: and he loved the idea and he used it. So
Speaker 3: I want to give David Feldman.
Speaker 4: That was very funny. So Gee is not a Holocaust survivor.
Speaker 1: And then we have a montage of everybody drinking and
Speaker 1: laughing and having a great ringing bell ringing, a big success,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Gee screams out, fu.
Speaker 3: Shit face, cocksucker, asshole, son.
Speaker 4: Of a bitch.
Speaker 3: Maybe one day I got a chance to do something
Speaker 3: good for somebody.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 6: Scum sucking motherfucking wore.
Speaker 7: Cock cock chisum, grandma dot.
Speaker 3: Bum fuck turn fat count piss ship, bucker and balls, damn.
Speaker 4: It hell flamp.
Speaker 2: Ship you got damn motherfucking bitch, fuck you your car
Speaker 2: wash cut.
Speaker 7: I had a deadal appointment.
Speaker 3: Platio Colingus, French kissy rum job right.
Speaker 1: Schmull push the duffish blacker, pussy pig, fucker boy cat girl.
Speaker 3: Coty, I e I.
Speaker 1: Fuck head, shit face, cocksuck er, asshole, son of a
Speaker 1: bitch or something like that. I was writing really quickly, yes,
Speaker 1: And then you see Larry look at him and then
Speaker 1: have a memory of the bald kids at the school
Speaker 1: at Sammy's school who shaved their heads in solidarity, and
Speaker 1: you hear him say, maybe one day I'll be able
Speaker 1: to do something like that.
Speaker 2: I did like the flashback. We have that many flashbacks
Speaker 2: on curves.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but that one made perfect sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I did you remind and the fog, Yeah,
Speaker 4: got the frog. And then Larry just, you know.
Speaker 1: Outbursts with his curses, and then Jeff outbursts with cock
Speaker 1: and chisholm, and you know we're all so used to that.
Speaker 3: We hold on this is really interesting, Larry said, for
Speaker 3: the next take, one last cock, one less Grandma. That's
Speaker 3: the note I got. I don't know anyone in the
Speaker 3: history of show business who's ever got a note one
Speaker 3: less cocked, one less grandma.
Speaker 8: And Michael Yorke with bug iron balls and Jim Swinson
Speaker 8: very uncomfortable cursing, and then Cheryl chimes in, you goddamn
Speaker 8: son of a bitch.
Speaker 4: What did you say, you goddamn son of a bitch?
Speaker 4: You ended with bitch. And then just at that moment
Speaker 4: I walk in, Cheryl is facing the door.
Speaker 1: I assume she's talking to me, and I say, now
Speaker 1: here's I'll tell you about I say, famously, fuck you,
Speaker 1: you car washcunt. I had a dental appointment, but we
Speaker 1: shot that. I was in the trailer. We shot that
Speaker 1: at a restaurant on Ocean Avenue in Santa Monica. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And I was in that trailer starting at about six
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and we ended up shooting that scene
Speaker 1: at six o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4: It was all night.
Speaker 1: I was sitting in my trailer and I never You
Speaker 1: both know this, I never pre write lines ever. This
Speaker 1: is the only time I ever pre rode, where's sitting
Speaker 1: in my And also because usually you're just listening and
Speaker 1: you're responding, this was I was walking in, saying something
Speaker 1: and leaving, so it kind of made sense that I
Speaker 1: would know with the line. And I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: Susie's always into alliterations, you fat fuck, you four eyed fuck,
Speaker 1: and I came up with car washcunt. And when I
Speaker 1: said that that line, Larry said to me, don't make
Speaker 1: a reference to the episode because nobody's doing that. We're
Speaker 1: all just cursing because we're in solidarity with you don't
Speaker 1: know that, that's what I said. I said, my character
Speaker 1: doesn't know that. She walks in and she thinks Cheryl
Speaker 1: is housing at her. So he said, do it a
Speaker 1: couple of times your way, and do it a couple
Speaker 1: of times my way, and I did, and he used
Speaker 1: my way, which I'm glad of because it was a
Speaker 1: great line. We'll be right back, stay tuned, and we're back.
Speaker 3: My favorite swearing thing was Louie.
Speaker 4: Night, Louie night. First lake boycock girl cock yeah, yea yea.
Speaker 2: And we all looked at each other after the young
Speaker 2: the whole place just bursted the laughter because we're.
Speaker 4: Like Paul also was great. Paul rip job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Paul was great. But I remember Loui's
Speaker 3: being so perfect and they said, let's do it again.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why, I remember, I got really upset. Why
Speaker 3: that is perfection? Boycott girl coy And then he did
Speaker 3: something else that which they instructed and it's not Larry,
Speaker 3: but nonetheless boycott girl cocky. Yi oh, one of my
Speaker 3: favorite lines.
Speaker 4: It was a great line and only Louis and.
Speaker 3: I no one else would say.
Speaker 4: And the way he said it is hilarious.
Speaker 1: And then Richard Lewis is cursing. Then that is cursing
Speaker 1: that everybody, And it was just a wonderful, joyous free
Speaker 1: for all of everybody. Fuck you Grandma's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And Larry's standing in the middle of it, very sad.
Speaker 4: As very satisfied. Yeah, And that was the end of
Speaker 4: the season.
Speaker 2: You know what I remember about this episode, especially because,
Speaker 2: as you guys know, after every season, Larry would say,
Speaker 2: I don't know, this might be it. I think this
Speaker 2: is it, and that season I really felt like, oh man,
Speaker 2: this is it. And like you said, Susie, we shot
Speaker 2: all night. Everybody was there all night, and I remember
Speaker 2: when I was driving home the sun was rising yep,
Speaker 2: and then I started getting like Kierri and I said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's the last time we're gonna shoot
Speaker 2: curb And that's very also very funny that that would
Speaker 2: be how we go out, yeat.
Speaker 4: End of the class. Memory of everyone was just like
Speaker 4: screaming out.
Speaker 3: Of well, no, if I'm not mistaken, that's the first
Speaker 3: season long storyline. Correct.
Speaker 1: Season two we didn't have a well, no, season two did.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what it was, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: as intricate.
Speaker 3: It was intermittent. If I'm not mistaken, season two, this
Speaker 3: is the first down drag out from episode one to
Speaker 3: episode ten. The main storyline is the restaurant, right, and
Speaker 3: everything drives that. What I find amazing about our show,
Speaker 3: and it's always made me laugh. Whatever happened the last
Speaker 3: season doesn't exist in the new season. We never mentioned
Speaker 3: the restaurant. There's no house doing it.
Speaker 4: How about, well, it's not in this season? Oh no,
Speaker 4: it isn't this season. We're unpregnant?
Speaker 7: Is that this season?
Speaker 4: I think it this season?
Speaker 3: Nanny from Hell?
Speaker 1: Yes, the Nanny was this season and then this little
Speaker 1: baby and nobody ever mentions it.
Speaker 4: Ever, No, I know.
Speaker 3: The only time where it almost happened is in which
Speaker 3: was the coffee was what season?
Speaker 4: Season ten?
Speaker 3: So season eleven, there was a reference to Mocha Joe
Speaker 3: dying of COVID. Yes, and it was pretty funny the
Speaker 3: way it was written, but they cut it out. It
Speaker 3: was cut out completely. But that's the only time I
Speaker 3: ever saw a reference to the season before and it
Speaker 3: didn't make it.
Speaker 4: I think there's been a few others. We'll keep an
Speaker 4: eye out find out.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like what we were talking about earlier, that
Speaker 2: Curb started out as a winner special on HBO, wasn't
Speaker 2: meant to be a series. And in the wine special,
Speaker 2: Larry and I had two kids, right, we never saw them.
Speaker 2: We talked about them a little bit, that they were
Speaker 2: off at summer camp or something, and then when the
Speaker 2: show started we started shooting the show as a series.
Speaker 2: He just never kids, never talked about him again, just
Speaker 2: pretended like that never works.
Speaker 4: Much better with you guys not having kids. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think so.
Speaker 3: And by the way, our show, to my knowledge, the
Speaker 3: only one I can think of. Well, obviously they did
Speaker 3: this on Lucy and the Honeymooners, and that is repeat
Speaker 3: actors like one week they'd be the postman. So our show,
Speaker 3: we've had people do two. I think Brad Morris did
Speaker 3: the show three times, but it was like, no, one's
Speaker 3: not it's just it's just you. Colombo did it a lot, yes,
Speaker 3: you know, because they were his friends that he wrotated
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 1: Here it's usually friends. But oh, by the way, Another
Speaker 1: one that's an inconsistency is in season one, Sammy was
Speaker 1: a boy and then she learned a girl for the
Speaker 1: doll I remember that, Yeah, Sammy was a boy.
Speaker 2: Did we see Sammy as a boy or just just
Speaker 2: talking about but we referenced her, well, wasn't she a
Speaker 2: baby in the first was a toddler, but we referenced
Speaker 2: her as a he Sammy and then she became Samantha.
Speaker 2: That have you guys talked about at all that you'll
Speaker 2: have celebrities on playing you know, themselves. I put it
Speaker 2: into air quotes because it's a version. But then also
Speaker 2: really famous celebrities that are playing a.
Speaker 4: Character but.
Speaker 3: Comment on Yeah. I remember watching this movie, a Chicago movie,
Speaker 3: and it was an indie movie. I knew most of
Speaker 3: the actors in it. John Jewsac was extraordinarily famous in
Speaker 3: a Chicago Guy and he played a passenger in a
Speaker 3: cab that the lead character was driving, okay, and it
Speaker 3: was so distracting. You're like John Cusack's there. So the
Speaker 3: thing that I learned is if you're gonna have a
Speaker 3: famous person being something, it has to be a substantial
Speaker 3: part because then they have time to establish their character
Speaker 3: as well as the audience is not thinking about who
Speaker 3: they are, but you're not sitting there going that's Vince Faun.
Speaker 3: If he came in for one scene and he didn't
Speaker 3: play Vince Vaughn, very distracted Vince.
Speaker 1: There's also special circumstances because he came on after Bob died,
Speaker 1: so we had.
Speaker 3: Other actors playing characters who are very famous. But that
Speaker 3: is something that I learned. Distracting in this small part
Speaker 3: completely believable and acceptable in a large part because you
Speaker 3: think actors are playing characters in movie, but you gotta,
Speaker 3: you know, develop the character during the course.
Speaker 1: Also on our show, you know, because Cheryl is Cheryl David,
Speaker 1: and you're Jeff Green and I'm Susie Green and we
Speaker 1: all have our real first names. But then Ted Dancing
Speaker 1: is Ted Dancing, and Richard Lewis is Richard. It blurs
Speaker 1: the lines well, and then he's Larry Davis.
Speaker 4: Larry David.
Speaker 3: But I gotta say, prior to the show, people didn't
Speaker 3: know Jeff Garland, people didn't know Susie Esmond, people.
Speaker 4: Didn't know she know Larry David.
Speaker 3: Yes, but he needed to be Larry David because that's
Speaker 3: the premise of the show. So I'm saying the other ones,
Speaker 3: Richard Lewis would be weird playing Richard Schwartz and Ted
Speaker 3: Dancing playing anything but Ted Danson. And that was for
Speaker 3: I believe it was episode two where Ted makes his
Speaker 3: first appearance the Bowling. I don't remember. No, maybe episode one.
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't episode, but it was. It was the episodes.
Speaker 3: But he had to be because Mary Steinbergeon played herself,
Speaker 3: which she did in another episode, two or three other episodes.
Speaker 3: So there's a moment where it makes total sense, and
Speaker 3: then other moments where and by the way, during the
Speaker 3: latter seasons, I'm not talking about Vince because that was
Speaker 3: a special circumstance. I hated when we casted famous people.
Speaker 4: I hated you really a character or as himself.
Speaker 3: I hated when we cast famous people as themselves far
Speaker 3: but as a part. I always felt we should go
Speaker 3: with someone that people didn't know, like, for example, Josh
Speaker 3: Gadd is the podiatress. Josh Gadd is a very close
Speaker 3: friend of mine. I love him. I played his father
Speaker 3: in a movie. Okay, him playing that small part of
Speaker 3: the podiatriss. And I know Josh chiropractor. I know that
Speaker 3: Larry knew Josh too, loved him, wanted to get him
Speaker 3: a show, and I knew Josh wanted to be on
Speaker 3: the show. But I found that a terrible distraction, and
Speaker 3: I really hated and always hated if it wasn't a
Speaker 3: part of substance when we hire famous people and the
Speaker 3: other parts.
Speaker 4: I would bet you you didn't feel that way about
Speaker 4: Tracy Yellmen.
Speaker 3: Well, no, but she's playing a character.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. She was a famous person playing
Speaker 4: but who else?
Speaker 3: Just named somebody who could have played that role.
Speaker 4: No, she was perfect, But I'm saying she was a
Speaker 4: famous person playing a character.
Speaker 3: Yes, but a character you couldn't even see. Racy Yellman,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about Josh gadd didn't have prosthetics on me.
Speaker 4: Everybody.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing too about our show that I think
Speaker 2: is different because at some point, even at from the beginning,
Speaker 2: the show business crowd, you know, they were they were
Speaker 2: attracted to the show, and they got all the jokes,
Speaker 2: and so I'm sure you guys felt it too that
Speaker 2: as time went on, very famous people would come up
Speaker 2: to me and say, I just want to be on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 4: I'll be a waiter, I'll be a waitress. I'll just
Speaker 4: walk by in the background all the time.
Speaker 1: But the most famous asking me to be on the show.
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, I don't have that control. The
Speaker 1: producer season which is coming up next right with.
Speaker 3: Which I was at the movies and I remember bumping
Speaker 3: into Ben Stiller and I go, I got something for you.
Speaker 3: I know you want to do it. I got something
Speaker 3: because I had said to Larry, what about Ben Stiller
Speaker 3: after that? And he goes, oh, And then of course
Speaker 3: we hired Ben. But that kind of role needs a
Speaker 3: famous person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, because they were starring in a Broadway shot.
Speaker 3: I am all for unknown actors getting a break. I'm
Speaker 3: all for a break character actors. So I've always been
Speaker 3: including this last season, anti famous person when not necessary.
Speaker 4: You know what, it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 3: It bothers me when we do it, it bothers me afterwards.
Speaker 3: It's distracting and I don't like it. And I love
Speaker 3: the word. That's why the strike is going on now.
Speaker 3: I don't know when this airs, but I fight for actors.
Speaker 3: I find I'm a member of Writers Guild and SAG.
Speaker 3: But it's about who's getting hurt.
Speaker 1: In all this, the character work, the working actors, the
Speaker 1: working working actors.
Speaker 3: And that's why I always wanted a cast who are funny,
Speaker 3: great ones who could have done it. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: I'm just I love saying. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: That's and that's our episode. Cheryl Hines back again. I
Speaker 4: would love to I will love.
Speaker 3: Isn't it wonderful, Cheryl that now you'd be in my eyes,
Speaker 3: you'd be too famous to do the show. We can't have,
Speaker 3: Cheryl Hines. I know it's kind of metal. You're famous
Speaker 3: from our show.
Speaker 2: Well, that's true because when they first come me in
Speaker 2: to audition, they said that they were looking for unknown actresses.
Speaker 3: Yes, but that's what we thought back then. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: why we upgraded extra us. Larry loved Who's just like
Speaker 3: he believed Chris Williams was crazy, like we had all
Speaker 3: we had all real rappers except for Chris Williams was
Speaker 3: obviously great and he al.
Speaker 4: He's a rapper, of you, No, he's real, you know,
Speaker 4: he's an actor.
Speaker 3: But yeah, not for example, Cheryl, you can no longer
Speaker 3: do a cameo with someone riding in a taxi in
Speaker 3: a movie. It'll disrect.
Speaker 4: People'll be like, oh, why is Cheryl Hines in the taxi?
Speaker 3: Right, it's not like, oh, that's missus Schwartz from nine
Speaker 3: scenes that we've been working with. Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: Cheryl, thank you, Thanks Cheryl.
Speaker 1: We'll see you and Jeff and I will be back
Speaker 1: next week starting season four.
Speaker 3: Season four, Very Excited, which is.
Speaker 4: The producers season. A lot of fun, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of great stories I have of sharing the producers season.
Speaker 3: So by both of you, everybody, and thank you for listening.
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