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Speaker 1: You're awesome. Something totally different what you got, of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she showed me a picture twenty Ohio State lacrosse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's coaching on the sideline. Yeah, you're there watching. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a very profound experience for her. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: was curious, what don't you remember about that moment as

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Speaker 1: I pieced together something about all of your coachingen Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to say my wife was playing too, Um,

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Speaker 1: not at the time, but my girlfriend girlfriend at the time,

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Speaker 1: was playing. Amanda was coaching, and I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: one of those moments bringing the whole family together. I

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Speaker 1: guess how much talk three you know, all coachings about cooking, Um,

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Speaker 1: not not a lot. I don't know. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: family time, catch up on how the kids are all

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Speaker 1: doing and what's going on in life. Not not that

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Speaker 1: we don't talk about coaching, but I would say it's

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Speaker 1: not one of our top topics that day where she

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Speaker 1: she didn't do a great job. She was working on

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Speaker 1: faceoffs like that was her responsibility. Uh, I'm sure she

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Speaker 1: did great. I'm sure she did great. Time always Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you see um, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a different, uh situation that we're in. UM, I

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Speaker 1: definitely have had more resources around me than than what

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Speaker 1: she has. UM. So you know, just kind of some

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Speaker 1: of the things that that that that type of coach

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Speaker 1: has to deal with. UM. I don't got to deal

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Speaker 1: with school and grades with my players, and she does

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Speaker 1: at a good school. UM. So just some of some

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Speaker 1: of those challenges that she has that I don't are

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Speaker 1: definitely unique to her situations around hang out with Yeah

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Speaker 1: a little bit. What is that like for you? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like I don't know. It's cool. Uh, It's what

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Speaker 1: we used to do when we were kids and now

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Speaker 1: it's the next generation. Of course, no problem. The great

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Speaker 1: kawon coming back from the injury last year, obviously it

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Speaker 1: wasn't even his bet off time on the field. How

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Speaker 1: has he even looks so far? How's he kind of

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Speaker 1: reaffimating every day? Uh, he looks great. UM. Great to

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Speaker 1: have him. UM. You know, obviously I've been around him

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Speaker 1: for a full year. UM in the building and everything

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Speaker 1: like that. He's a great, great person, great leader, UM.

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Speaker 1: And then had on the field, he's a great player.

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Speaker 1: So we're really happy to have him. It was unfortunate

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Speaker 1: what happened last year, but we've moved past it and UM,

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Speaker 1: excited to get back to work. Would you get to

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Speaker 1: learn about him last year and while he was kind

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Speaker 1: of been the meeting rooms and film, Um, just kind

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Speaker 1: of how he thinks as a player. Um, you know

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Speaker 1: I was living the last spring with him at the

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Speaker 1: start of training camp. Um, and then kind of our

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Speaker 1: our relationship was really just in the meeting room because

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Speaker 1: he wasn't out on the field. So that was you know,

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Speaker 1: see how he thinks, see what he would have done

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Speaker 1: in situations where and he wasn't out there in the game. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Monday mornings and stuff like that. So it

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Speaker 1: was cool. UM. Like I said, he's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: great kid. Love talking to him. Um. He's played in

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Speaker 1: a couple of different systems. Uh, so you know, just

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Speaker 1: pick each other's brains. What's that? Um? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I like, I like all six of those guys are

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Speaker 1: whoever's out there, that's all good. Um, you know, good

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Speaker 1: groups out there. But uh, those two guys are really

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Speaker 1: smart and they know they can get everybody lined up.

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Speaker 1: They're good generals, um. And if they need to be soldiers,

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Speaker 1: they could be soldiers. So there's a slight change to

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Speaker 1: urine garage titols this year with you guys both just

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Speaker 1: being linebackers coaches now, has anything changed responsibility wise or

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Speaker 1: is that just kind of semantics? Um? Things changed every year.

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Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I know what I got to do.

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Speaker 1: I know what my job is. I'm not too concerned

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Speaker 1: about what the title is yet. How much did you

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Speaker 1: enjoy you doing on Chris Long's podcast Let's See? I

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Speaker 1: was sort of fun to listen to making stated conversation

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Speaker 1: between you guys. Oh yeah, that was great. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 1: me and Chris go way back. Um, we got some

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Speaker 1: unique things in common, um, you know, with our dads

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so we've always talked about that

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Speaker 1: for a lot, talked about that for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it was fun. He asked me to do it,

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Speaker 1: and um yeah, just get to catch up with him

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Speaker 1: and just happened to be recorded. I guess you familiar

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Speaker 1: with just how like successful he's become sort of transitioning.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well he was very successful in multiple areas,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I know he's him. Julian. I run in

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Speaker 1: the podcast world now. From what I hear, Uh, just

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Speaker 1: fundamentals and techniques. I mean, this is as close as

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the bullets flying. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's excited to get the pads on and

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. It's been a while. It's been

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Speaker 1: a while, you know. You guys have former players come

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Speaker 1: back and talk to the team from time to time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when when Pat comes been Pat and Chunk comes back,

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Speaker 1: what's like a good message the players could take from

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Speaker 1: his career journey, you know that they maybe could apply

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Speaker 1: to themselves. Um, there's a lot of things, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: on and off the field, and um, taking care of

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Speaker 1: your body and stuff like that. But UM, I just

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Speaker 1: I always try and tell the young guys or anybody

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Speaker 1: just how versatile he was, how smart he was, and um,

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Speaker 1: all the things that he could do on the field

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Speaker 1: to help the team, they were really endless. Um. And

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Speaker 1: that's because he knew what to do and he knew

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Speaker 1: how to you know, put himself in the right situation, which, um,

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Speaker 1: if you can't do that, then you can't even be

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Speaker 1: out there. So UM, always good to have Pat around,

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Speaker 1: don't you more? Guys? Thanks, guys, have a good day.