WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Statement Game?

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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<v Speaker 1>Star in Frisco. Elliott, Here are Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bill Jones. And it's a Wednesday here at the

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<v Speaker 1>Star in Frisco, inside the SWBC Mortgage studios. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys are headed out on the practice field as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and Everson

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<v Speaker 1>Walls once again today as we get you set for

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots. Patriots Week is officially underway now. Jason Garrett

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<v Speaker 1>just completed his press conference, Mickey scribbling down notes as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak, as he just walked into the studios after

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<v Speaker 1>the Jason Garrett walk off. How are you, Mickey? I

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<v Speaker 1>interrupted to walk off. I left. I can it's still

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<v Speaker 1>going all these years. I can read his chicken scratch

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<v Speaker 1>across the table. What he's writing about a roster move

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<v Speaker 1>that they made just now? Right? Am I right? We've

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<v Speaker 1>got some breaking news, Mickey. First bet that you're a

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<v Speaker 1>waiter somewhere. What puts the deal? What's the best deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a waiter. Okay, what are you? Yeah? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>at the door greater. You know, people get paid for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just similar to the overalls that you used to

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<v Speaker 1>wear in college at Missouri. You were telling me yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>but overall tell him people war was that a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually had a pair. I try to make it work,

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<v Speaker 1>but I realized that's the white thing. I can't No,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't picture you ever said it over Please don't pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mickey said back in the seven DC wore overalls.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. We gotta have we gotta have a photo, man,

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<v Speaker 1>But everybody was wearing him. Not everybody, No, not everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain what painter pants was. They didn't understand that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that either. Maybe. Yeah, okay, you're ready for

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<v Speaker 1>the roster move? Now what wasterrom? Yeah? Who's Who's Deontay Burton?

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<v Speaker 1>You heard of him before? Yeah? Okay, miss tell me

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<v Speaker 1>more about you, mister pick twelve, really big twelve guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Deontay Burton. Oh from that big twelve North. Oh yeah

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay. I figured you had it on your sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a dB A cornerback. Yeah, Deontay Burton. Yep, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony is out. Yes, he's done for the season with

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<v Speaker 1>a torn tricept that was repaired yesterday. So there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>there's your roster booth. He was really kind of already

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<v Speaker 1>being replaced by Jordan. Yeah, he had been battling some

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<v Speaker 1>injuries here lately. Yeah, he got what he placed when

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<v Speaker 1>he eats Uh sprained his strained his hamstring and he

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<v Speaker 1>missed the game, and then Jordan started the next two.

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<v Speaker 1>But this last game, he actually took some snaps on

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<v Speaker 1>the nickel in place of Jordan Lewis, So they were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of easing him back in until that happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the Laga was the fourth quarter. It was in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter when they had the rash of injuries on

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<v Speaker 1>consecutive plays. They were falling like flies. They did split

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<v Speaker 1>in the nickel last week, but ever since, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd earned more snaps Jordan had before before

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<v Speaker 1>this injury for Brown, So, I mean, every time he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, it seems like, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you see too, it seems like he makes

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<v Speaker 1>plays and he's around the football. They talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>Jets game, they say it was even that interception they

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<v Speaker 1>said he was beat if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>came back still had the ability to just turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and look for the ball. And you'd just be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>at how many will just fall right in your lap,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just ask Heath. They had he was hit

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of his head, So Larry the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the head. Yep, you know that's it was a

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<v Speaker 1>pass breakup. That's a positive, Yeah, that's breakup. The negative

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<v Speaker 1>is he had to pick six yep. Ye at Anthony Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, I've got the snap counts here from

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<v Speaker 1>the last several weeks. Anthony Brown had twelve snaps against Detroit,

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<v Speaker 1>while Jordan Lewis had thirty one snaps. The previous week

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<v Speaker 1>against Minnesota, Jordan had twenty snaps. Brown had five and

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<v Speaker 1>one die and in the right in the Giants game. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fifty one snaps for Jordan Lewis, five for

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<v Speaker 1>Brown and in the back in the Jets game, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>snaps for Brown. That's a pattern. Yep, that's definitely a pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>And then had thirty seven and for Jordan Lewis. So

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<v Speaker 1>which game did he miss? Uh? Would have been the

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<v Speaker 1>Philly game, the Eagles game. So all right, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>those games. Yeah, so he was he was battling an injury.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jordan Lewis has earned the playing time. Yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just call it what it is. He's more of a

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<v Speaker 1>playmaker and that's we just need more of those. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a shame that Heath was leading an

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<v Speaker 1>accept of the last couple of years with maybe four

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<v Speaker 1>or two or three. Well four, I'm talking a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years total, A couple of year whatever since would

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<v Speaker 1>get in a month. So what we were trying to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we need turn over minded defensive backs. Well there's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that Jordan Lewis was a third round draft picks.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like his athletic abuilding. I didn't know he's

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<v Speaker 1>so short, you know, I just didn't realize that because

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<v Speaker 1>he plays big, which may have been a raging. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a third round draft pick, not a second place.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a third round draft pick because remember he

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<v Speaker 1>had had off the field deal. Yep, they get resolved,

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<v Speaker 1>not involved, but not until after the draft. Right. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, and we've talked about Christopher Shard likes those

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<v Speaker 1>range type dbs. But you know, there comes a point

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<v Speaker 1>in time where you can't keep a guy off the field,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's gonna make plays every time he's out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And he does play big, and he plays with some

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<v Speaker 1>competitiveness that I think they really like. Plays with an edge.

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<v Speaker 1>He does play with an edge. Well, we'll see how

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<v Speaker 1>he does against some guy named Edelman. Interesting. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>give him help, You gotta give him help. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>all of this too. Edelman is a favorite target. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not be naive. And it's just like when Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>came in into Cowboys Stadium. Their whole mindset was, Elliot's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna beat us. We're gonna make da Elliott is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to beat us. And I'm just wondering why

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't have that same mindset because they talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how these teams will mirror images and Kirk Cousins. I

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<v Speaker 1>still think Dak is much better than Kirk Cousins. But

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk Cousins having a great second half of the year

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<v Speaker 1>so far, and let's make him beat us. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not let's cook run all over the place. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just stack the line just like they did. Right. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't physically stack at a pre snap. Then we know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time they bought a snap. Everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>looking at number twenty one or in Cowboys case, number

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three. So looking at the Patriots, then what do

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<v Speaker 1>you got to take away? You gotta take away Edelman.

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<v Speaker 1>You just have to in in certain situations. We know

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be the primary on third downs. We

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<v Speaker 1>just do it. We watched a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>game on the on the flight back we were working,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't throw the ball to anybody else. But

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed like the running backs for several weeks, well,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, go ahead. Well, it's always been kind of

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<v Speaker 1>part of their game, the screen game with the Backs.

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<v Speaker 1>They use Edelman in screens. They just they try to

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<v Speaker 1>move him around, move him everywhere, and but he is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. I mean he's especially because they've had so

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<v Speaker 1>much turnover at their wide receiver position. I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>trade for snow last. That's that's Brady's got, that's his

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<v Speaker 1>comfort zone. And I would imagine that going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Backs a lot, because as I was gonna say, they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna everyone's doubling element and so Brady's no food. This

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<v Speaker 1>is my counter, So I'm gonna go to the backs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know much about that tight end. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he's still using Watson right. Well, he was

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<v Speaker 1>gone for the pretty well I think that was a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, but the other wide

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<v Speaker 1>receivers were kind of nonentities in the game against the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just face it, Brady is not where he was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not that guy that we feared. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that he can be that guy. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to wake him up at this point. Uh. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>the defense is so prevalent for them. He's living off

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<v Speaker 1>of them, I mean, big time. Ever since the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>Brady just hadn't been the guy putting up the big numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's made key plays like Aaron Rodgers. You can

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<v Speaker 1>be still that guy in certain situations, but you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be in position to make that final push. That

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<v Speaker 1>means your defense has to help you out. That means

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<v Speaker 1>your running game has to be strong. It means a

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<v Speaker 1>kicking game has to be shore. These are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that make up a good team. That's what I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys trying to get there. Okay, I've been monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots all season, Okay, and got my mote book here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big notebook. Okay, guess how many wide receivers

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<v Speaker 1>that they have had on their roster since training camp,

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<v Speaker 1>since training camp began. I mean these are guys. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not completing, not the undrafted guys. I'm talking guys

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<v Speaker 1>that have previous experience in the NFL. I mean, these

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<v Speaker 1>are legitimate guys that are fifty three man roster time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>training count yepiften. Hey guy, do you look at my

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<v Speaker 1>heat all right? Edelman, Damarius Thomas, Mohammed Sanu, Philip doors Set,

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<v Speaker 1>Maurice Harris, Antonio Brown. I mean I'm including Matthew Slater

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<v Speaker 1>at that, although he's not really he's a special teams guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Braxton Barrios, Jacoby Myers, Josh Gordon, Nick Hil Harry, who

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<v Speaker 1>they just got back off injured reserve, Don treill Inman Gunner,

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<v Speaker 1>Olshevsky who they just put on IR Cameron Meredith. There's

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen guys there. Now, how many tight ends as they

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<v Speaker 1>try to figure out a way to replace Gronk in

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<v Speaker 1>this office? Take that? How many tight ends do you think? Six? Four?

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say eight might be all I know

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<v Speaker 1>ten tight ends. All I know is they've got seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>guys that have caught pass. Yeah, I wish I'd had

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<v Speaker 1>that stack because I wrote about it yesterday I mentioned that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's okay, So that tight ends twenty five different guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Watson was on their roster. I think he started

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<v Speaker 1>the season on pup let me see my check my

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<v Speaker 1>notes here. And then he was released October seventh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he comes back, had an emotional release. Okay, he

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was done with football. Well Belichick brings him

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<v Speaker 1>back to two weeks later and now he's basically they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're top tight end. I mean, they're going through these

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends like and it is the greatness of Brady

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<v Speaker 1>in a way, and that they've cycled through guys throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty years. He's he's frustrated, well he is,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of it is the turnover they've had for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And and like ever said, his numbers are down. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>the media is just kind of burying him a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit this week, were burying him. That's because he was

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<v Speaker 1>after the game. He gave Yeah, he gave very short

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<v Speaker 1>answers in this post game after the game, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a win in Philadelphia. But the offense isn't doing what

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<v Speaker 1>normally it does, and he's very frustrated. He can you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell that's a red fla when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>start looking at those receivers that he has. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>look at some new you look at us, said, those

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<v Speaker 1>are formidable guys. I like this Harry first round, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been hurt, right, Yeah, he'd been hurt. Got back. He

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<v Speaker 1>just got back that. In fact, this past week he

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<v Speaker 1>was back for the first time um this season. So well.

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<v Speaker 1>Having said all that, the two teams have scored the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same amount of touchdowns, although they have six returns, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>touchdowns deep sixty four. Are those all defensive returns, bumble returns,

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<v Speaker 1>they have pick sixes or there's some kick returns in there,

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<v Speaker 1>Like four defensive touchdowns, right, so maybe a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>kick returns. They're right at the top of the league

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Yeah, they're one tick above the Cowboys and

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<v Speaker 1>points per game. But we talked about it last week

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<v Speaker 1>and ever since I spoke to it, they're starting drives

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<v Speaker 1>really deep in in opposing territory. He's getting all the

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<v Speaker 1>help he needs, and I think that's part of why

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<v Speaker 1>he's frustrated, is they're still not producing a lot of points.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a big thing there. And as you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty eight takeaways, their starting field position is number

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<v Speaker 1>one in the league. Yeah, number one in the league,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cowboys is down the bottom of the barrel. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps Dak Polo some numbers. Yeah, that's try, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's why. That's why the Cowboys lead the league in

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<v Speaker 1>total yards because they got farther to go. There's more

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<v Speaker 1>real estate than cover for the count. The only number

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<v Speaker 1>you need to know with them is they're giving up

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<v Speaker 1>ten point eight points. Again. Yeah, but they're not right there.

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<v Speaker 1>There are, but there's a lot of people listening right

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<v Speaker 1>now or saying, Mickey, stop it right there. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>who they played. Interesting, I guess the interesting eles in

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore don't count. They gave up. They gave up the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven the right. That's interesting. Every One talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys early on and there they really hawked on it,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when we showed, uh, you know, the proof is

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<v Speaker 1>in the pudding. We showed that when we played against

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<v Speaker 1>better teams, we didn't produce as well, and we obviously

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<v Speaker 1>lost to the Jets. So everyone put their their heat

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<v Speaker 1>on that. As far as the Cowboy was Nobody talked

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<v Speaker 1>about just how New England's schedule was just as weak.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the AFC East is just as bad as

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC East. I don't know what what's Pittsburgh's record, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a record, right, yeah, But so if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to know, they beat Miami, the Jets, Buffalo, Washington, Giants,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets, Cleveland, and then they lost to Baltimore and

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<v Speaker 1>beat Philadelphia. Pittsburgh is five and five. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Well they get the benefit of the doubt because they're

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots. But when you look at the schedule, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same type thing, right, I mean, they haven't played

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of really good teams, really, not many at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So Billy's a good team. My theory about the AFC

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<v Speaker 1>East hold still and the good teams they played doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like it. I mean he's he kind of minimizes their

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<v Speaker 1>titles a little bit. No, I just said they get

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<v Speaker 1>six and oh usually maybe because they got the goat

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<v Speaker 1>and the goat, they got the guy in the side,

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<v Speaker 1>they got the guy quarterback, which is why the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the AFC East is so bad. They got to

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<v Speaker 1>play New England twice. Yeah, it's two losses right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we were all a little hesitant and just

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, playing the playing the horn on these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you play them on into the grave. We're

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<v Speaker 1>a little has because of the goat and the goat, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean right, you always think, I think we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be the ones to wake them up. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be the ones to well, okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the game where they hit their stride. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to say that they marked the Cowboys on the

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<v Speaker 1>calendar and said, okay, this is where we started to

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<v Speaker 1>march to the super Bowl. We don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>that team. Yep. All right, So I'm looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>team to get the teams they've played. And right now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the records of those teams they've played,

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<v Speaker 1>right now, there are two that have winning records, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Buffalo. And they won that game sixteen to ten

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<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore, and they lost that game what was it,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven Buffalo at the Buffalo is at Buffalo. They

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<v Speaker 1>beat them on the road, yep. And they've got two

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<v Speaker 1>five and five teams. In the season opener against Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>they won thirty three to three, and then last week

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<v Speaker 1>against the Eagles, who are now five and five. They

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<v Speaker 1>won seventeen to ten. So there you go. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC right upside the NFL right now. You just

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<v Speaker 1>might as well call it parody. You just might as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't even the teams that win maybe on the

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<v Speaker 1>consistent basis, there are still some very dicey games within

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<v Speaker 1>that streak to where you go, man, that could have

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<v Speaker 1>gone either way, so to me. Detroit, Yeah, Detroit. They

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<v Speaker 1>played ten games now and nine of them have been

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<v Speaker 1>decided by a touchdown or less. Wow. Well, during the

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<v Speaker 1>game the Lions game on Sunday on Twitter, everybody's freaking

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<v Speaker 1>out because the Vikings are getting blown out by Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>who's not a good team at all. They come back

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<v Speaker 1>and win. But you're right, that's I tweeted that that's

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<v Speaker 1>this league. I mean, I don't know if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>great team this year. The Patriots have a great defense.

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<v Speaker 1>The margin between good and average is a couple plays

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<v Speaker 1>a game, sometimes average and bad, And that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe we overreact a little bit too much when

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<v Speaker 1>they lose to a team like the Vikings. Although there

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<v Speaker 1>are things that could have done better coaching wise, execution

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<v Speaker 1>wise all those things. How about losing to the Jets

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next week New England beats them thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three to nothing. Yeah, that was that's because Belichick was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not happening, righty for allowing a b that's

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<v Speaker 1>very focused on this next team coming up. And they

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<v Speaker 1>had some ghosts in the second year two. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>You want to take a trip down memory lane now?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought i'd give you a little history lesson here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Dallas Cowboys versus the New England Patriots. The

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys have lost the last five times they've played the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 1>Three of those were in New England. Last time they

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<v Speaker 1>beat him was nineteen ninety six at Texas Stadium, wiped

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<v Speaker 1>him out twelve to six. By the way, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can believe that. But the last time they beat him,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to go back to nineteen eighty seven, November fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys won the game in overtime twenty three seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh look, look here we're winning. Footage of this is

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<v Speaker 1>herschel Walker sixty our touchdown run on the fourth play

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<v Speaker 1>of overtime. Oh he going, and he just smoked everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found this. I found this after the game,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny White said. He said, all I saw was blue flame.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like the ground was smoking. And how about this.

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<v Speaker 1>The play call was slant twenty six sarah whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 1>And Everson Walls was playing in that game for the

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas and Cowboys, uh that they ended up tying the

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<v Speaker 1>game on a Roger rusick field goal, had to kick

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<v Speaker 1>it from the three from it, the ball was at

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<v Speaker 1>the three yard line, so it was a twenty yard

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<v Speaker 1>field goal and the twenty eight seconds left to tie

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<v Speaker 1>it up. The Patriots were being quarterback that day. Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Grogan was hurt. Anybody want to guess who the quarterback was?

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<v Speaker 1>Some guy named Tom Ramsey. Tom Ramsey, Yeah, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even remember that. And I played it again and

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<v Speaker 1>you played probably did, right. They only scored seventeen points

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<v Speaker 1>and that was kind of the changing of the guard

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<v Speaker 1>for the Cowboys at running back because Tony got hurt

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<v Speaker 1>in that game a shoulder. He only had six carries.

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<v Speaker 1>Walker went twenty eight for one seventy three and two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty two total yards in the game. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was the turning point because Herschel took

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<v Speaker 1>Offer took over, and then they traded Tony in the

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<v Speaker 1>offseason to Denver. Yeah, that was said. Yeah, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was extremely unnecessary. You just don't get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>a guy like Dosset, especially back then. But he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wanted it. Yeah, but he kind of wanted out

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<v Speaker 1>because they treat him like crap. Right, Yeah, So you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's causing effect. I mean that's the reason he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted out because the treatment of him. They brought Herschelin

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. That was almost like a slap

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<v Speaker 1>in the face. Two doors set right. Uh. He had

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<v Speaker 1>always had a rocket well, I guess we all had

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<v Speaker 1>rocket relationships with the organization itself. But you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>saw that they thought he was over the hill. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I recalled, he goes to Denver and gets a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand yards said, he goes to Denver and has a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand yards was closed. I think we just did something

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<v Speaker 1>on him, money surgery. Yeah, and almost all of his

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<v Speaker 1>runs were inside between the tackles. So it just let

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<v Speaker 1>you know. To me, I thought that was his best

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<v Speaker 1>year because it showed something that at that age and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure he was over thirty plus years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he was able to make a change in

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<v Speaker 1>his style. Yeah, and it was effective for him. Denver

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<v Speaker 1>was they were so proud of the year that he

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<v Speaker 1>had for the Broncos that year. I was proud of

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<v Speaker 1>them too. You know, you'll laugh about this. So in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight the Times, Harold sent me to Denver to

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<v Speaker 1>do a story on Tony Dorset before the season started

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<v Speaker 1>and they were treating him like a god. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 1>were the advertisement. They wanted them to write a diary

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<v Speaker 1>that he was doing all these promotions. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, a automobile dealership, Uh did a contest and

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<v Speaker 1>you had to guess how many carries he needed to

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<v Speaker 1>get to pass Jim Brown to go second all time

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<v Speaker 1>rushing behind Walter Payton. And he did it like the

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, fourth or fifth game and if people

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<v Speaker 1>keep an eye on it, we've done a legend show

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And uh, he moved into second place and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up running out of bounds and they were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to stop the game, give him a ball or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>All he did was returned back to the huddle. Nothing nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing school right. Yeah, as opposed to Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Brees when he gets we had to have a homecoming celebration.

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<v Speaker 1>The family came out out on the field, right, balloon right,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a break man, okay o mus and get

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<v Speaker 1>off my law and you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 1>the funny thing is when it was it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl celebration because Joe Tessa Tour was calling

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<v Speaker 1>it in the booth. Yeah, I had the interview set

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<v Speaker 1>up with Dorset after practice, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>he comes out late. Imagine that, right, and uh he goes, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, I gotta go to the airport. I go,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go to the airport and he goes, yeah,

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>he goes, Uh, I gotta go pick up round springs

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>at the airport. Wow. And I said, oh okay, he

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>goes yeah, and I don't think I'm coming back. He goes,

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>but if you want, you could ride with me and

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>we could talk in the car while I'm driving. Be careful,

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>do I send you behind together? Yeah, he's but here's

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the bottom liar. So I said, okay, that sounds good, right.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>So we jump in the car and I look around.

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a two seater and he goes, yeah, I can

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>take you there, but I can't bring you back. What

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of sisters that? But we had great interview, and uh,

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>he was driving like he was running by the way, Yeah,

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>going to hit it. Yeah. We got to the airport

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and Ron was on the curb and he gets in

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and I get out and I found a taxi when

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that far back. It's funny. I do remember Tony talking

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>about in interviews about his vision and he would practice

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:28.959
<v Speaker 1>his vision, and he said that he got I remember

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 1>specifically interviewing maybe a training camp back in the eighties whatever,

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and he'd say, yeah, I practiced my vision when I'm

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>driving down the highway. So he must have a uh huh. Yeah.

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>So and guess what else I found. I forgot to

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:47.640
<v Speaker 1>hold this up. Here was my sidebar on Herschel's run

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 1>against the paper blue flame. Wow. You know my best

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 1>friend throw that block, Thornton Chadler always brags about throwing

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that block on that linebacker. And as I was looking

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>at it, boy, he blocked that guy way to the sideline. Yeah.

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>We we had a lot of fun in that game.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I was a cheerleader that game. When we got to

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:11.479
<v Speaker 1>the man for some reason, it just so many things happened,

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.680
<v Speaker 1>of course with it anty with Herschel, I'm over dapping

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>down all the Cowboy fans in the end zone. And

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>then he got out of there. You got a little dangers.

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>They hit me on the head, hit me back. So

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I ended up watching Mike Renchfrold. It was a fourth

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and twelve if I'm not mistaken, and I know you're thirteen.

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>That's very good. Thank you, sir. From the thirty and

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Mike Reinfeld was going against Lapette number forty two, and

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>for some reason, the defensive back it's fourth down, Okay,

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 1>he bites on a ten yard move. It's fourth and

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>thirteen bites on the ten yard move and Renfrold put

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 1>him to sleep. And all I remember was the ball.

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I was standing on the sideline and the ball. Danny

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>threw the ball down the sidelines because Froe was open,

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and it was coming right at me, and I was like, wow,

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that's such a pretty bad and I look up and

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.199
<v Speaker 1>then here comes Rainfall, the slowest white dude. You when

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I say slow and white, that's that means that he's

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>really slow. So he's coming down and he's just he's

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>looking like a gazelle. And here comes the ball. Here

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>he is, and it was beautiful. He caught it right

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>next to me and he slid out of bounds. And

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I remember waving my tie like I was mail car.

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. I'm waving like I'm with

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the with the Boston solf car. And man, I was

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>so happy they called me out on the film because

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I was just I had never been that emotionally during

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the game. I don't know why I wanted to beat

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots so bad. I guess I hate their fans.

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Guy scared me sometimes. It was a forty three yard completion, beautiful,

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>just one of the prettiest passes. Danny White has everything,

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>including the Juw Pierson passed in San Francisco. Right, it

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>was beautiful. It was beautiful. So thirty two years ago

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>was the last time the Cowboys beat the Patriots. It's

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>almost in New England and they that off. But that's

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the other thing. Brady hasn't played here. But yeah, yeah,

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not what I'm saying. It's been like

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>a Texas stadium. Yeah, it was oh seven, but remember

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I think we're undefeated at the time, and yeah, Pats

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of handed it to him. But yeah, and eleven.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the last time we were there to cover

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that game, when Cowboys had that game and Brady, we

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>were on the sideline. Brady diced him up down the field.

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, no matter how

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>much you hold him down. The great ones, the Rodgers,

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Bradys, they're the ones if they find

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it in them. Because right now I'm in situational ball,

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and this is what I this is this is really

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>what I throw. I kind of like that a little

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>bit to where when he gets in that two minute,

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what's gonna happen when he gets in

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>red zone, but you know that he's gonna get you

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>down the field and give you a chance. And that's

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that's Brady the whole time, his whole career. And that

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>game up there was in the old stadium, fox boroughs Stadium.

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>You get a Foxborough story for you. Well, let's rookie year,

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>rookie year. I'm not even starting yet and we're going

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to the stadium. They got the one road in, one

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>road out. Yes, the fans held us up. We were

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>late for Monday night game. We were pickup truck guys.

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Some pickup truck guys. I'm a rookie man, I'm still

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty one years old. I'm like, yeah, I heard the

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Boston as a black man, I'm like, whoa. I never

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 1>took my helmet off during the entire game. So on

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the way there, they see Tom Langer. They know it's

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>our bus. He's sitting right there freaking hat on. They

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>we're riding in. They see us, they start yelling, they

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>start holding us up, and then as soon as the

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>shop on the cops that scores to get off their

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>bikes to say, hey, guys, what's going on? They pull off,

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and we get back on our bikes and we're getting

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in the bus. We pull up, they stop again. We

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>did this the entire way into the game. We were

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>late for Monday night football because of the fans of

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Fox Bell Stadium, and that stadium wasn't very big, if not,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>as I remember now, it was like a good one

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>double a foot. It looked like the Yale Bowl, like

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>if you were Yale or something like, yeah, as big

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>as a Yale bow, yea Yale. Yeah it was. It

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>was a way We kicked that bus, by the way,

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred plus and Claytone was chasing him to

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the end zone as wells Which is the funny thing

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>because if you look and Bill's got it right there.

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>How many times in the road did the Cowboys beat

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 1>him before the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven times?

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>First seven times they played him? Yep? How many times?

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Day I would call right, we lost to him on

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving Day, Texas Stadium would have been in eighty four.

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Craig James, of all people, no a second eighty four.

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it was Thanksgiving. No, remember twenty

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 1>second eighty four, Dallas one November fifteenth, so it would

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>have been a week before. Yeah, I'm not sure because

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Dallas won that game. Yeah, Craig James be this one game.

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I was so mad. He was my neighbor. Yeah, everybody

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>behind me. So the Cowboys won the first seven meetings

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and New England has won the five meetings since then. Yep, okay,

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that team brings us to Sunday, another trip up to

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the Northeast and we continue on talking Cowboys in a moment.

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0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>as far as the eye can see. The phrase two

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:50.880
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0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:56.000
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0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.040
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0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>treat you and even though it feels weird to talk

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to we can you pick one up and say, it's

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 1>so nice to be treated Doctor Pepper, so nice to

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>treat you. Back to the talking Cowboys. Mickey is still

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>prepared for his read. He's here talking. He's admiring his

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>clip from thirty two years ago. Buddy will go to

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Jack Black. At him. You can grabable while you can

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:29.720
<v Speaker 1>limited qualities, limited time. You can get the Pit Boss Duo.

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>You get the Anna perspirant and deodorant along with the

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>come on maximum sweat security. Oh yeah, it's time for

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you to get to Yeah, couldmit it all over. Wipe's excuse,

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't prepared again to get Jack Black dots the

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>worst read you've ever had. You never just stopped before

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>we see. Here's what happened when I printed it out.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>It printed it, It broke it up. So don't forget

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>the Pit Boss Duo. You've lost your energy on this

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>read continuing the same. I'm sorry, Yeah, that was a difference.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:26.359
<v Speaker 1>We've gone to something else. Another problem. We're done. Okay,

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll see tune in again tomorrow to see if Mickey

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 1>still does the reads for Jack Black. They love me,

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 1>guy can understand why. Yep, yeah, they get so that

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>next time we're gonna have to include Everson on the

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Christmas gift. If they love you, dude, they gotta love me.

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>All right. You look at this New England Patriot the

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>matchup against the Patriots. Let's turn it over to offense

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>versus defense. Number one defense in the National Football League.

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>One of the Cowboys need to do offensively. Well. I

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>was gonna ask Everson if he had ever seen Belichick

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>in your days with him or Parcels played defense the

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>way they are with all these linebackers around the line

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of scrimmage and really only two down defensive linemen most

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>of the time. And I saw a lot of times

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>on Nickel it was one down defensive lineman and he's

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>got linebackers all scattered around like a Safire drill or

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>they're pushing. It's very, very familiar. Of course, it reminds

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>me of the Super Bowl. Super Bowl twenty five. We're

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 1>going against Jim Kelly and thurmon Thomas and they were

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>going to know huddle. So it's almost like when Rodgerson

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>tries to catch you with the with the personnel that

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you want. Well, we were stuck with a particular personnel

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that we were gonna live with. We're gonna it was

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>just like h with what the Vikings did to the Cowboys,

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>just the opposite. We wanted to make Jim Cally, I'm sorry.

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.839
<v Speaker 1>We wanted to make Thurmon Thomas beat us because Jim

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Kelly was such a quick striker. So we didn't want

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 1>that game to get out of hands. And what we're

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 1>gonna do. We're gonna play all pass. We are one

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>nose guard in the game pretty much the entire time,

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>unless it was Shure Georgage. So yeah, Belichick is always

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>he's always had this thing for this personnel. He's always

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it, and Super Bowl twenty five was

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>his first opportunity to use that particular personnel and that

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>particular idea about how to play defense in this particular game,

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>who we're going to target. So you know, it's no

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>telling what you might see from Belichick because in nineteen

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>ninety we were the number one defense in the league,

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and we changed everything for the Super Bowl, really everything.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>We were the number one defense in the NFL, and

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>when he came to playing against the Buffalo Bills in

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl, biggest game of the year, we changed everything.

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the few times where you catch

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a coach who was amazing at what he does and

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>chose to change his entire philosophy for one team and

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>be successful at doing it. And now that's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>his staple. He likes to play with a bunch of linebackers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's his thing, athletic athletic linebackers. We had Pepper,

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<v Speaker 1>we had call Banks, we had Launched Taylor, Gary Reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know I'm saying this sounds weird. Steve Diaz,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve built like an icebox, but what he was good

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<v Speaker 1>at was we were big. They were big, so they

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<v Speaker 1>would close that bubble. You saw how Minnesota was getting

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<v Speaker 1>those offensive linemen. They were attacking Smith down the field,

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderge they were cutting them at their feet. Pepper and

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<v Speaker 1>Dios would close that bubble and they would hit them

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<v Speaker 1>as if they were defensive lineman with a two yards start,

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<v Speaker 1>and that bubble was closed. That's why we were so

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<v Speaker 1>good and effective against the run. I mean, the linebackers

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<v Speaker 1>they got now van Noy Collins, high tower, they can rush,

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a lot of sacks combined, they can cover,

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<v Speaker 1>and we see a lot of these zero basically cover

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<v Speaker 1>zero because they got so much faith in their secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they got Pro Bowl guys in the secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really unique, but it's really effective. You know, look

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<v Speaker 1>at their front seven and compare it to any other

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<v Speaker 1>team in the league. As far as the number of

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<v Speaker 1>players that they have in their front seven, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very limited number. I mean, I've got their their front seven,

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<v Speaker 1>these defensive linemen and linebackers, I've count thirteen guys for

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<v Speaker 1>seven positions on the team. Cowboys have like seventeen front

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>seven guys. It's a reason why Michael Bennett's here, because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't really have a spot for because those are

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<v Speaker 1>hybrid guys and you mentioned high tower Vanoy, John Simons,

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<v Speaker 1>another one Jamie Collins, who can rush or they can

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<v Speaker 1>play in coverage. And what it does it then creates

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<v Speaker 1>an opera roster positions where they can keep four guys

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<v Speaker 1>that are basically just special teams guys Matthew Slater and

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Justin Bethel. They just picked up who's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>top special teams guys in the league, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>they it's amazing. We'll get into this later in the week.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they have put their roster together and how

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<v Speaker 1>Belichick in that organization has figured out how to maximize

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<v Speaker 1>their resources in a salary cap era in the end

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<v Speaker 1>and still be strong in all facets of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>all three facets of the game. That's what's important. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, in the way they play it, me

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<v Speaker 1>with my pea brain, they'd suck me probably right into it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it looks like you should run the ball against them.

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<v Speaker 1>You got these two hundred and fifty pound guys lining

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<v Speaker 1>up on the line of scrimmage. I got three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>twenty pound offensive tackles. Let's go hit their skinny butts. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But somehow the same Philadelphia, Right, you might be big

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to hit these little guys that they're quick,

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<v Speaker 1>But they do have one big guy in there named

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Shelton who's about goes about three forty Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, but watching Philadelphia almost I know those

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<v Speaker 1>guys are talented. But it also looked like they were

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<v Speaker 1>just confused. Was done who to block? These guys were

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<v Speaker 1>coming from all times? The difference, that's the difference. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can line them up, but can you catch them?

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 1>You big, but can you catch that little guy? Right? Yeah?

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>And they know exactly where they're gonna be. Yeah, and

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 1>they got and as Jason said in his press conference today,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got every gap cover. It's confusing to the offense,

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:20.919
<v Speaker 1>but once but they know what they're now. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that they do is just like back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day when Bill Belichick had Everson Walls and

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 1>then he made sure that he had Everson Walls when

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<v Speaker 1>he became a head coach with the Cleveland Browns. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got guys that are smart who and and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>they they think Belichick. Yeah, yeah, let's not go too far.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, not this week now, not this week, this week?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, the break guys are waiting out there

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<v Speaker 1>to come in here, so we can take we can

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<v Speaker 1>take that minute. I guess we're done with this edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Talking Cowboys. There's gonna be more talk time for

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<v Speaker 1>you tomorrow. Everything I'm not going to be in here episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be Rob Mickey and Everson tomorrow and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>I've got TV spontor every Thursday. We might have got it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, the break is next and Will and some

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<v Speaker 1>of us will talk at you tomorrow. I'm Talking Cowboys.

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