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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are headed out on the practice field as
Speaker 1: we speak. Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, and Everson
Speaker 1: Walls once again today as we get you set for
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Patriots Week is officially underway now. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: just completed his press conference, Mickey scribbling down notes as
Speaker 1: we speak, as he just walked into the studios after
Speaker 1: the Jason Garrett walk off. How are you, Mickey? I
Speaker 1: interrupted to walk off. I left. I can it's still
Speaker 1: going all these years. I can read his chicken scratch
Speaker 1: across the table. What he's writing about a roster move
Speaker 1: that they made just now? Right? Am I right? We've
Speaker 1: got some breaking news, Mickey. First bet that you're a
Speaker 1: waiter somewhere. What puts the deal? What's the best deal.
Speaker 1: I'm not a waiter. Okay, what are you? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: at the door greater. You know, people get paid for that.
Speaker 1: It's just similar to the overalls that you used to
Speaker 1: wear in college at Missouri. You were telling me yesterday,
Speaker 1: but overall tell him people war was that a thing?
Speaker 1: I actually had a pair. I try to make it work,
Speaker 1: but I realized that's the white thing. I can't No,
Speaker 1: I can't picture you ever said it over Please don't pictures.
Speaker 1: But Mickey said back in the seven DC wore overalls.
Speaker 1: I did. We gotta have we gotta have a photo, man,
Speaker 1: But everybody was wearing him. Not everybody, No, not everybody.
Speaker 1: Explain what painter pants was. They didn't understand that. I
Speaker 1: don't know that either. Maybe. Yeah, okay, you're ready for
Speaker 1: the roster move? Now what wasterrom? Yeah? Who's Who's Deontay Burton?
Speaker 1: You heard of him before? Yeah? Okay, miss tell me
Speaker 1: more about you, mister pick twelve, really big twelve guy,
Speaker 1: Deontay Burton. Oh from that big twelve North. Oh yeah
Speaker 1: that's okay. I figured you had it on your sounds
Speaker 1: like a dB A cornerback. Yeah, Deontay Burton. Yep, it's
Speaker 1: Anthony is out. Yes, he's done for the season with
Speaker 1: a torn tricept that was repaired yesterday. So there you go,
Speaker 1: there's your roster booth. He was really kind of already
Speaker 1: being replaced by Jordan. Yeah, he had been battling some
Speaker 1: injuries here lately. Yeah, he got what he placed when
Speaker 1: he eats Uh sprained his strained his hamstring and he
Speaker 1: missed the game, and then Jordan started the next two.
Speaker 1: But this last game, he actually took some snaps on
Speaker 1: the nickel in place of Jordan Lewis, So they were
Speaker 1: kind of easing him back in until that happened in
Speaker 1: the Laga was the fourth quarter. It was in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter when they had the rash of injuries on
Speaker 1: consecutive plays. They were falling like flies. They did split
Speaker 1: in the nickel last week, but ever since, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he'd earned more snaps Jordan had before before
Speaker 1: this injury for Brown, So, I mean, every time he's
Speaker 1: in the game, it seems like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's what you see too, it seems like he makes
Speaker 1: plays and he's around the football. They talked about the
Speaker 1: Jets game, they say it was even that interception they
Speaker 1: said he was beat if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: came back still had the ability to just turn around
Speaker 1: and look for the ball. And you'd just be surprised
Speaker 1: at how many will just fall right in your lap,
Speaker 1: you know, just ask Heath. They had he was hit
Speaker 1: in the back of his head, So Larry the back
Speaker 1: of the head. Yep, you know that's it was a
Speaker 1: pass breakup. That's a positive, Yeah, that's breakup. The negative
Speaker 1: is he had to pick six yep. Ye at Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I've got the snap counts here from
Speaker 1: the last several weeks. Anthony Brown had twelve snaps against Detroit,
Speaker 1: while Jordan Lewis had thirty one snaps. The previous week
Speaker 1: against Minnesota, Jordan had twenty snaps. Brown had five and
Speaker 1: one die and in the right in the Giants game. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was fifty one snaps for Jordan Lewis, five for
Speaker 1: Brown and in the back in the Jets game, nineteen
Speaker 1: snaps for Brown. That's a pattern. Yep, that's definitely a pattern.
Speaker 1: And then had thirty seven and for Jordan Lewis. So
Speaker 1: which game did he miss? Uh? Would have been the
Speaker 1: Philly game, the Eagles game. So all right, so there's
Speaker 1: those games. Yeah, so he was he was battling an injury.
Speaker 1: But Jordan Lewis has earned the playing time. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: just call it what it is. He's more of a
Speaker 1: playmaker and that's we just need more of those. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a shame that Heath was leading an
Speaker 1: accept of the last couple of years with maybe four
Speaker 1: or two or three. Well four, I'm talking a couple
Speaker 1: of years total, A couple of year whatever since would
Speaker 1: get in a month. So what we were trying to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need turn over minded defensive backs. Well there's the
Speaker 1: reason that Jordan Lewis was a third round draft picks.
Speaker 1: I really like his athletic abuilding. I didn't know he's
Speaker 1: so short, you know, I just didn't realize that because
Speaker 1: he plays big, which may have been a raging. He
Speaker 1: was a third round draft pick, not a second place.
Speaker 1: He was a third round draft pick because remember he
Speaker 1: had had off the field deal. Yep, they get resolved,
Speaker 1: not involved, but not until after the draft. Right. But
Speaker 1: you're right, and we've talked about Christopher Shard likes those
Speaker 1: range type dbs. But you know, there comes a point
Speaker 1: in time where you can't keep a guy off the field,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna make plays every time he's out there.
Speaker 1: And he does play big, and he plays with some
Speaker 1: competitiveness that I think they really like. Plays with an edge.
Speaker 1: He does play with an edge. Well, we'll see how
Speaker 1: he does against some guy named Edelman. Interesting. You gotta
Speaker 1: give him help, You gotta give him help. That's just
Speaker 1: all of this too. Edelman is a favorite target. You know,
Speaker 1: let's not be naive. And it's just like when Vikings
Speaker 1: came in into Cowboys Stadium. Their whole mindset was, Elliot's
Speaker 1: not gonna beat us. We're gonna make da Elliott is
Speaker 1: not going to beat us. And I'm just wondering why
Speaker 1: we didn't have that same mindset because they talked about
Speaker 1: how these teams will mirror images and Kirk Cousins. I
Speaker 1: still think Dak is much better than Kirk Cousins. But
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins having a great second half of the year
Speaker 1: so far, and let's make him beat us. You know,
Speaker 1: let's not let's cook run all over the place. Let's
Speaker 1: just stack the line just like they did. Right. You
Speaker 1: don't physically stack at a pre snap. Then we know
Speaker 1: a lot of time they bought a snap. Everyone is
Speaker 1: looking at number twenty one or in Cowboys case, number
Speaker 1: thirty three. So looking at the Patriots, then what do
Speaker 1: you got to take away? You gotta take away Edelman.
Speaker 1: You just have to in in certain situations. We know
Speaker 1: he's going to be the primary on third downs. We
Speaker 1: just do it. We watched a little bit of the
Speaker 1: game on the on the flight back we were working,
Speaker 1: but he didn't throw the ball to anybody else. But
Speaker 1: it seemed like the running backs for several weeks, well,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. Well, it's always been kind of
Speaker 1: part of their game, the screen game with the Backs.
Speaker 1: They use Edelman in screens. They just they try to
Speaker 1: move him around, move him everywhere, and but he is
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean he's especially because they've had so
Speaker 1: much turnover at their wide receiver position. I mean they
Speaker 1: trade for snow last. That's that's Brady's got, that's his
Speaker 1: comfort zone. And I would imagine that going to the
Speaker 1: Backs a lot, because as I was gonna say, they're
Speaker 1: gonna everyone's doubling element and so Brady's no food. This
Speaker 1: is my counter, So I'm gonna go to the backs.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about that tight end. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's still using Watson right. Well, he was
Speaker 1: gone for the pretty well I think that was a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, but the other wide
Speaker 1: receivers were kind of nonentities in the game against the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Let's just face it, Brady is not where he was.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not that guy that we feared. We
Speaker 1: know that he can be that guy. We don't want
Speaker 1: to wake him up at this point. Uh. That's why
Speaker 1: the defense is so prevalent for them. He's living off
Speaker 1: of them, I mean, big time. Ever since the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Brady just hadn't been the guy putting up the big numbers.
Speaker 1: Now he's made key plays like Aaron Rodgers. You can
Speaker 1: be still that guy in certain situations, but you have
Speaker 1: to be in position to make that final push. That
Speaker 1: means your defense has to help you out. That means
Speaker 1: your running game has to be strong. It means a
Speaker 1: kicking game has to be shore. These are the things
Speaker 1: that make up a good team. That's what I'm hoping
Speaker 1: the Cowboys trying to get there. Okay, I've been monitoring
Speaker 1: the Patriots all season, Okay, and got my mote book here.
Speaker 1: It's a big notebook. Okay, guess how many wide receivers
Speaker 1: that they have had on their roster since training camp,
Speaker 1: since training camp began. I mean these are guys. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not completing, not the undrafted guys. I'm talking guys
Speaker 1: that have previous experience in the NFL. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are legitimate guys that are fifty three man roster time. Okay,
Speaker 1: training count yepiften. Hey guy, do you look at my
Speaker 1: heat all right? Edelman, Damarius Thomas, Mohammed Sanu, Philip doors Set,
Speaker 1: Maurice Harris, Antonio Brown. I mean I'm including Matthew Slater
Speaker 1: at that, although he's not really he's a special teams guy,
Speaker 1: Braxton Barrios, Jacoby Myers, Josh Gordon, Nick Hil Harry, who
Speaker 1: they just got back off injured reserve, Don treill Inman Gunner,
Speaker 1: Olshevsky who they just put on IR Cameron Meredith. There's
Speaker 1: fifteen guys there. Now, how many tight ends as they
Speaker 1: try to figure out a way to replace Gronk in
Speaker 1: this office? Take that? How many tight ends do you think? Six? Four?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say eight might be all I know
Speaker 1: ten tight ends. All I know is they've got seventeen
Speaker 1: guys that have caught pass. Yeah, I wish I'd had
Speaker 1: that stack because I wrote about it yesterday I mentioned that.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, So that tight ends twenty five different guys.
Speaker 1: Did Watson was on their roster. I think he started
Speaker 1: the season on pup let me see my check my
Speaker 1: notes here. And then he was released October seventh, and
Speaker 1: then he comes back, had an emotional release. Okay, he
Speaker 1: thought he was done with football. Well Belichick brings him
Speaker 1: back to two weeks later and now he's basically they're
Speaker 1: they're top tight end. I mean, they're going through these
Speaker 1: tight ends like and it is the greatness of Brady
Speaker 1: in a way, and that they've cycled through guys throughout
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. He's he's frustrated, well he is,
Speaker 1: and part of it is the turnover they've had for sure.
Speaker 1: And and like ever said, his numbers are down. Man,
Speaker 1: the media is just kind of burying him a little
Speaker 1: bit this week, were burying him. That's because he was
Speaker 1: after the game. He gave Yeah, he gave very short
Speaker 1: answers in this post game after the game, which was
Speaker 1: a win in Philadelphia. But the offense isn't doing what
Speaker 1: normally it does, and he's very frustrated. He can you
Speaker 1: can tell that's a red fla when you when you
Speaker 1: start looking at those receivers that he has. Now you
Speaker 1: look at some new you look at us, said, those
Speaker 1: are formidable guys. I like this Harry first round, he'd
Speaker 1: been hurt, right, Yeah, he'd been hurt. Got back. He
Speaker 1: just got back that. In fact, this past week he
Speaker 1: was back for the first time um this season. So well.
Speaker 1: Having said all that, the two teams have scored the
Speaker 1: exact same amount of touchdowns, although they have six returns, yes,
Speaker 1: touchdowns deep sixty four. Are those all defensive returns, bumble returns,
Speaker 1: they have pick sixes or there's some kick returns in there,
Speaker 1: Like four defensive touchdowns, right, so maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: kick returns. They're right at the top of the league
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, they're one tick above the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: points per game. But we talked about it last week
Speaker 1: and ever since I spoke to it, they're starting drives
Speaker 1: really deep in in opposing territory. He's getting all the
Speaker 1: help he needs, and I think that's part of why
Speaker 1: he's frustrated, is they're still not producing a lot of points.
Speaker 1: That's a big thing there. And as you can imagine
Speaker 1: with twenty eight takeaways, their starting field position is number
Speaker 1: one in the league. Yeah, number one in the league,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys is down the bottom of the barrel. Well,
Speaker 1: it helps Dak Polo some numbers. Yeah, that's try, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's why. That's why the Cowboys lead the league in
Speaker 1: total yards because they got farther to go. There's more
Speaker 1: real estate than cover for the count. The only number
Speaker 1: you need to know with them is they're giving up
Speaker 1: ten point eight points. Again. Yeah, but they're not right there.
Speaker 1: There are, but there's a lot of people listening right
Speaker 1: now or saying, Mickey, stop it right there. Look at
Speaker 1: who they played. Interesting, I guess the interesting eles in
Speaker 1: Baltimore don't count. They gave up. They gave up the
Speaker 1: thirty seven the right. That's interesting. Every One talked about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys early on and there they really hawked on it,
Speaker 1: especially when we showed, uh, you know, the proof is
Speaker 1: in the pudding. We showed that when we played against
Speaker 1: better teams, we didn't produce as well, and we obviously
Speaker 1: lost to the Jets. So everyone put their their heat
Speaker 1: on that. As far as the Cowboy was Nobody talked
Speaker 1: about just how New England's schedule was just as weak.
Speaker 1: I guess the AFC East is just as bad as
Speaker 1: the NFC East. I don't know what what's Pittsburgh's record, Well,
Speaker 1: there's a record, right, yeah, But so if you want
Speaker 1: to know, they beat Miami, the Jets, Buffalo, Washington, Giants,
Speaker 1: the Jets, Cleveland, and then they lost to Baltimore and
Speaker 1: beat Philadelphia. Pittsburgh is five and five. By the way,
Speaker 1: Well they get the benefit of the doubt because they're
Speaker 1: the Patriots. But when you look at the schedule, it's
Speaker 1: the same type thing, right, I mean, they haven't played
Speaker 1: a ton of really good teams, really, not many at all.
Speaker 1: So Billy's a good team. My theory about the AFC
Speaker 1: East hold still and the good teams they played doesn't
Speaker 1: like it. I mean he's he kind of minimizes their
Speaker 1: titles a little bit. No, I just said they get
Speaker 1: six and oh usually maybe because they got the goat
Speaker 1: and the goat, they got the guy in the side,
Speaker 1: they got the guy quarterback, which is why the rest
Speaker 1: of the AFC East is so bad. They got to
Speaker 1: play New England twice. Yeah, it's two losses right there.
Speaker 1: I think we were all a little hesitant and just
Speaker 1: really you know, playing the playing the horn on these guys.
Speaker 1: You know, you play them on into the grave. We're
Speaker 1: a little has because of the goat and the goat, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean right, you always think, I think we don't
Speaker 1: want to be the ones to wake them up. We
Speaker 1: don't want to be the ones to well, okay, this
Speaker 1: is the game where they hit their stride. We don't
Speaker 1: want to say that they marked the Cowboys on the
Speaker 1: calendar and said, okay, this is where we started to
Speaker 1: march to the super Bowl. We don't want to be
Speaker 1: that team. Yep. All right, So I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: team to get the teams they've played. And right now,
Speaker 1: if you look at the records of those teams they've played,
Speaker 1: right now, there are two that have winning records, I
Speaker 1: believe Buffalo. And they won that game sixteen to ten
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, and they lost that game what was it,
Speaker 1: thirty seven Buffalo at the Buffalo is at Buffalo. They
Speaker 1: beat them on the road, yep. And they've got two
Speaker 1: five and five teams. In the season opener against Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: they won thirty three to three, and then last week
Speaker 1: against the Eagles, who are now five and five. They
Speaker 1: won seventeen to ten. So there you go. We'll see
Speaker 1: the NFC right upside the NFL right now. You just
Speaker 1: might as well call it parody. You just might as well.
Speaker 1: You can't even the teams that win maybe on the
Speaker 1: consistent basis, there are still some very dicey games within
Speaker 1: that streak to where you go, man, that could have
Speaker 1: gone either way, so to me. Detroit, Yeah, Detroit. They
Speaker 1: played ten games now and nine of them have been
Speaker 1: decided by a touchdown or less. Wow. Well, during the
Speaker 1: game the Lions game on Sunday on Twitter, everybody's freaking
Speaker 1: out because the Vikings are getting blown out by Denver,
Speaker 1: who's not a good team at all. They come back
Speaker 1: and win. But you're right, that's I tweeted that that's
Speaker 1: this league. I mean, I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: great team this year. The Patriots have a great defense.
Speaker 1: The margin between good and average is a couple plays
Speaker 1: a game, sometimes average and bad, And that's why I
Speaker 1: think maybe we overreact a little bit too much when
Speaker 1: they lose to a team like the Vikings. Although there
Speaker 1: are things that could have done better coaching wise, execution
Speaker 1: wise all those things. How about losing to the Jets
Speaker 1: and then the next week New England beats them thirty
Speaker 1: three to nothing. Yeah, that was that's because Belichick was like,
Speaker 1: this is not happening, righty for allowing a b that's
Speaker 1: very focused on this next team coming up. And they
Speaker 1: had some ghosts in the second year two. All right,
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Speaker 1: You want to take a trip down memory lane now?
Speaker 1: I thought i'd give you a little history lesson here
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys versus the New England Patriots. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys have lost the last five times they've played the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Three of those were in New England. Last time they
Speaker 1: beat him was nineteen ninety six at Texas Stadium, wiped
Speaker 1: him out twelve to six. By the way, if you
Speaker 1: can believe that. But the last time they beat him,
Speaker 1: we have to go back to nineteen eighty seven, November fifteenth,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys won the game in overtime twenty three seventeen.
Speaker 1: Oh look, look here we're winning. Footage of this is
Speaker 1: herschel Walker sixty our touchdown run on the fourth play
Speaker 1: of overtime. Oh he going, and he just smoked everybody.
Speaker 1: And I found this. I found this after the game,
Speaker 1: Danny White said. He said, all I saw was blue flame.
Speaker 1: It looked like the ground was smoking. And how about this.
Speaker 1: The play call was slant twenty six sarah whatever that means.
Speaker 1: And Everson Walls was playing in that game for the
Speaker 1: Dallas and Cowboys, uh that they ended up tying the
Speaker 1: game on a Roger rusick field goal, had to kick
Speaker 1: it from the three from it, the ball was at
Speaker 1: the three yard line, so it was a twenty yard
Speaker 1: field goal and the twenty eight seconds left to tie
Speaker 1: it up. The Patriots were being quarterback that day. Steve
Speaker 1: Grogan was hurt. Anybody want to guess who the quarterback was?
Speaker 1: Some guy named Tom Ramsey. Tom Ramsey, Yeah, yes, I
Speaker 1: don't even remember that. And I played it again and
Speaker 1: you played probably did, right. They only scored seventeen points
Speaker 1: and that was kind of the changing of the guard
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys at running back because Tony got hurt
Speaker 1: in that game a shoulder. He only had six carries.
Speaker 1: Walker went twenty eight for one seventy three and two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two total yards in the game. And
Speaker 1: I think that was the turning point because Herschel took
Speaker 1: Offer took over, and then they traded Tony in the
Speaker 1: offseason to Denver. Yeah, that was said. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: that was extremely unnecessary. You just don't get rid of
Speaker 1: a guy like Dosset, especially back then. But he kind
Speaker 1: of wanted it. Yeah, but he kind of wanted out
Speaker 1: because they treat him like crap. Right, Yeah, So you
Speaker 1: know that's causing effect. I mean that's the reason he
Speaker 1: wanted out because the treatment of him. They brought Herschelin
Speaker 1: in the first place. That was almost like a slap
Speaker 1: in the face. Two doors set right. Uh. He had
Speaker 1: always had a rocket well, I guess we all had
Speaker 1: rocket relationships with the organization itself. But you know, they
Speaker 1: saw that they thought he was over the hill. And
Speaker 1: if I recalled, he goes to Denver and gets a
Speaker 1: thousand yards said, he goes to Denver and has a
Speaker 1: thousand yards was closed. I think we just did something
Speaker 1: on him, money surgery. Yeah, and almost all of his
Speaker 1: runs were inside between the tackles. So it just let
Speaker 1: you know. To me, I thought that was his best
Speaker 1: year because it showed something that at that age and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was over thirty plus years old.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was able to make a change in
Speaker 1: his style. Yeah, and it was effective for him. Denver
Speaker 1: was they were so proud of the year that he
Speaker 1: had for the Broncos that year. I was proud of
Speaker 1: them too. You know, you'll laugh about this. So in
Speaker 1: eighty eight the Times, Harold sent me to Denver to
Speaker 1: do a story on Tony Dorset before the season started
Speaker 1: and they were treating him like a god. Yes, they
Speaker 1: were the advertisement. They wanted them to write a diary
Speaker 1: that he was doing all these promotions. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, a automobile dealership, Uh did a contest and
Speaker 1: you had to guess how many carries he needed to
Speaker 1: get to pass Jim Brown to go second all time
Speaker 1: rushing behind Walter Payton. And he did it like the
Speaker 1: I don't know, fourth or fifth game and if people
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it, we've done a legend show
Speaker 1: on it. And uh, he moved into second place and
Speaker 1: ended up running out of bounds and they were supposed
Speaker 1: to stop the game, give him a ball or whatever.
Speaker 1: All he did was returned back to the huddle. Nothing nothing,
Speaker 1: There was nothing school right. Yeah, as opposed to Drew
Speaker 1: Brees when he gets we had to have a homecoming celebration.
Speaker 1: The family came out out on the field, right, balloon right,
Speaker 1: give me a break man, okay o mus and get
Speaker 1: off my law and you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: the funny thing is when it was it was like
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl celebration because Joe Tessa Tour was calling
Speaker 1: it in the booth. Yeah, I had the interview set
Speaker 1: up with Dorset after practice, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he comes out late. Imagine that, right, and uh he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: he goes, I gotta go to the airport. I go,
Speaker 1: you got to go to the airport and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes, Uh, I gotta go pick up round springs
Speaker 1: at the airport. Wow. And I said, oh okay, he
Speaker 1: goes yeah, and I don't think I'm coming back. He goes,
Speaker 1: but if you want, you could ride with me and
Speaker 1: we could talk in the car while I'm driving. Be careful,
Speaker 1: do I send you behind together? Yeah, he's but here's
Speaker 1: the bottom liar. So I said, okay, that sounds good, right.
Speaker 1: So we jump in the car and I look around.
Speaker 1: It's a two seater and he goes, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: take you there, but I can't bring you back. What
Speaker 1: kind of sisters that? But we had great interview, and uh,
Speaker 1: he was driving like he was running by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: going to hit it. Yeah. We got to the airport
Speaker 1: and Ron was on the curb and he gets in
Speaker 1: and I get out and I found a taxi when
Speaker 1: that far back. It's funny. I do remember Tony talking
Speaker 1: about in interviews about his vision and he would practice
Speaker 1: his vision, and he said that he got I remember
Speaker 1: specifically interviewing maybe a training camp back in the eighties whatever,
Speaker 1: and he'd say, yeah, I practiced my vision when I'm
Speaker 1: driving down the highway. So he must have a uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and guess what else I found. I forgot to
Speaker 1: hold this up. Here was my sidebar on Herschel's run
Speaker 1: against the paper blue flame. Wow. You know my best
Speaker 1: friend throw that block, Thornton Chadler always brags about throwing
Speaker 1: that block on that linebacker. And as I was looking
Speaker 1: at it, boy, he blocked that guy way to the sideline. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We we had a lot of fun in that game.
Speaker 1: I was a cheerleader that game. When we got to
Speaker 1: the man for some reason, it just so many things happened,
Speaker 1: of course with it anty with Herschel, I'm over dapping
Speaker 1: down all the Cowboy fans in the end zone. And
Speaker 1: then he got out of there. You got a little dangers.
Speaker 1: They hit me on the head, hit me back. So
Speaker 1: I ended up watching Mike Renchfrold. It was a fourth
Speaker 1: and twelve if I'm not mistaken, and I know you're thirteen.
Speaker 1: That's very good. Thank you, sir. From the thirty and
Speaker 1: Mike Reinfeld was going against Lapette number forty two, and
Speaker 1: for some reason, the defensive back it's fourth down, Okay,
Speaker 1: he bites on a ten yard move. It's fourth and
Speaker 1: thirteen bites on the ten yard move and Renfrold put
Speaker 1: him to sleep. And all I remember was the ball.
Speaker 1: I was standing on the sideline and the ball. Danny
Speaker 1: threw the ball down the sidelines because Froe was open,
Speaker 1: and it was coming right at me, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's such a pretty bad and I look up and
Speaker 1: then here comes Rainfall, the slowest white dude. You when
Speaker 1: I say slow and white, that's that means that he's
Speaker 1: really slow. So he's coming down and he's just he's
Speaker 1: looking like a gazelle. And here comes the ball. Here
Speaker 1: he is, and it was beautiful. He caught it right
Speaker 1: next to me and he slid out of bounds. And
Speaker 1: I remember waving my tie like I was mail car.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm waving like I'm with
Speaker 1: the with the Boston solf car. And man, I was
Speaker 1: so happy they called me out on the film because
Speaker 1: I was just I had never been that emotionally during
Speaker 1: the game. I don't know why I wanted to beat
Speaker 1: the Patriots so bad. I guess I hate their fans.
Speaker 1: Guy scared me sometimes. It was a forty three yard completion, beautiful,
Speaker 1: just one of the prettiest passes. Danny White has everything,
Speaker 1: including the Juw Pierson passed in San Francisco. Right, it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. It was beautiful. So thirty two years ago
Speaker 1: was the last time the Cowboys beat the Patriots. It's
Speaker 1: almost in New England and they that off. But that's
Speaker 1: the other thing. Brady hasn't played here. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not what I'm saying. It's been like
Speaker 1: a Texas stadium. Yeah, it was oh seven, but remember
Speaker 1: I think we're undefeated at the time, and yeah, Pats
Speaker 1: kind of handed it to him. But yeah, and eleven.
Speaker 1: I think the last time we were there to cover
Speaker 1: that game, when Cowboys had that game and Brady, we
Speaker 1: were on the sideline. Brady diced him up down the field.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, no matter how
Speaker 1: much you hold him down. The great ones, the Rodgers,
Speaker 1: you know, the Bradys, they're the ones if they find
Speaker 1: it in them. Because right now I'm in situational ball,
Speaker 1: and this is what I this is this is really
Speaker 1: what I throw. I kind of like that a little
Speaker 1: bit to where when he gets in that two minute,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's gonna happen when he gets in
Speaker 1: red zone, but you know that he's gonna get you
Speaker 1: down the field and give you a chance. And that's
Speaker 1: that's Brady the whole time, his whole career. And that
Speaker 1: game up there was in the old stadium, fox boroughs Stadium.
Speaker 1: You get a Foxborough story for you. Well, let's rookie year,
Speaker 1: rookie year. I'm not even starting yet and we're going
Speaker 1: to the stadium. They got the one road in, one
Speaker 1: road out. Yes, the fans held us up. We were
Speaker 1: late for Monday night game. We were pickup truck guys.
Speaker 1: Some pickup truck guys. I'm a rookie man, I'm still
Speaker 1: twenty one years old. I'm like, yeah, I heard the
Speaker 1: Boston as a black man, I'm like, whoa. I never
Speaker 1: took my helmet off during the entire game. So on
Speaker 1: the way there, they see Tom Langer. They know it's
Speaker 1: our bus. He's sitting right there freaking hat on. They
Speaker 1: we're riding in. They see us, they start yelling, they
Speaker 1: start holding us up, and then as soon as the
Speaker 1: shop on the cops that scores to get off their
Speaker 1: bikes to say, hey, guys, what's going on? They pull off,
Speaker 1: and we get back on our bikes and we're getting
Speaker 1: in the bus. We pull up, they stop again. We
Speaker 1: did this the entire way into the game. We were
Speaker 1: late for Monday night football because of the fans of
Speaker 1: Fox Bell Stadium, and that stadium wasn't very big, if not,
Speaker 1: as I remember now, it was like a good one
Speaker 1: double a foot. It looked like the Yale Bowl, like
Speaker 1: if you were Yale or something like, yeah, as big
Speaker 1: as a Yale bow, yea Yale. Yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was a way We kicked that bus, by the way,
Speaker 1: like one hundred plus and Claytone was chasing him to
Speaker 1: the end zone as wells Which is the funny thing
Speaker 1: because if you look and Bill's got it right there.
Speaker 1: How many times in the road did the Cowboys beat
Speaker 1: him before the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven times?
Speaker 1: First seven times they played him? Yep? How many times?
Speaker 1: Day I would call right, we lost to him on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day, Texas Stadium would have been in eighty four.
Speaker 1: Craig James, of all people, no a second eighty four.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was Thanksgiving. No, remember twenty
Speaker 1: second eighty four, Dallas one November fifteenth, so it would
Speaker 1: have been a week before. Yeah, I'm not sure because
Speaker 1: Dallas won that game. Yeah, Craig James be this one game.
Speaker 1: I was so mad. He was my neighbor. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: behind me. So the Cowboys won the first seven meetings
Speaker 1: and New England has won the five meetings since then. Yep, okay,
Speaker 1: that team brings us to Sunday, another trip up to
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Speaker 1: treat you. Back to the talking Cowboys. Mickey is still
Speaker 1: prepared for his read. He's here talking. He's admiring his
Speaker 1: clip from thirty two years ago. Buddy will go to
Speaker 1: Jack Black. At him. You can grabable while you can
Speaker 1: limited qualities, limited time. You can get the Pit Boss Duo.
Speaker 1: You get the Anna perspirant and deodorant along with the
Speaker 1: come on maximum sweat security. Oh yeah, it's time for
Speaker 1: you to get to Yeah, couldmit it all over. Wipe's excuse,
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared again to get Jack Black dots the
Speaker 1: worst read you've ever had. You never just stopped before
Speaker 1: we see. Here's what happened when I printed it out.
Speaker 1: It printed it, It broke it up. So don't forget
Speaker 1: the Pit Boss Duo. You've lost your energy on this
Speaker 1: read continuing the same. I'm sorry, Yeah, that was a difference.
Speaker 1: We've gone to something else. Another problem. We're done. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll see tune in again tomorrow to see if Mickey
Speaker 1: still does the reads for Jack Black. They love me,
Speaker 1: guy can understand why. Yep, yeah, they get so that
Speaker 1: next time we're gonna have to include Everson on the
Speaker 1: Christmas gift. If they love you, dude, they gotta love me.
Speaker 1: All right. You look at this New England Patriot the
Speaker 1: matchup against the Patriots. Let's turn it over to offense
Speaker 1: versus defense. Number one defense in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: One of the Cowboys need to do offensively. Well. I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask Everson if he had ever seen Belichick
Speaker 1: in your days with him or Parcels played defense the
Speaker 1: way they are with all these linebackers around the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and really only two down defensive linemen most
Speaker 1: of the time. And I saw a lot of times
Speaker 1: on Nickel it was one down defensive lineman and he's
Speaker 1: got linebackers all scattered around like a Safire drill or
Speaker 1: they're pushing. It's very, very familiar. Of course, it reminds
Speaker 1: me of the Super Bowl. Super Bowl twenty five. We're
Speaker 1: going against Jim Kelly and thurmon Thomas and they were
Speaker 1: going to know huddle. So it's almost like when Rodgerson
Speaker 1: tries to catch you with the with the personnel that
Speaker 1: you want. Well, we were stuck with a particular personnel
Speaker 1: that we were gonna live with. We're gonna it was
Speaker 1: just like h with what the Vikings did to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: just the opposite. We wanted to make Jim Cally, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: We wanted to make Thurmon Thomas beat us because Jim
Speaker 1: Kelly was such a quick striker. So we didn't want
Speaker 1: that game to get out of hands. And what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna play all pass. We are one
Speaker 1: nose guard in the game pretty much the entire time,
Speaker 1: unless it was Shure Georgage. So yeah, Belichick is always
Speaker 1: he's always had this thing for this personnel. He's always
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, and Super Bowl twenty five was
Speaker 1: his first opportunity to use that particular personnel and that
Speaker 1: particular idea about how to play defense in this particular game,
Speaker 1: who we're going to target. So you know, it's no
Speaker 1: telling what you might see from Belichick because in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety we were the number one defense in the league,
Speaker 1: and we changed everything for the Super Bowl, really everything.
Speaker 1: We were the number one defense in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: when he came to playing against the Buffalo Bills in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, biggest game of the year, we changed everything.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the few times where you catch
Speaker 1: a coach who was amazing at what he does and
Speaker 1: chose to change his entire philosophy for one team and
Speaker 1: be successful at doing it. And now that's pretty much
Speaker 1: his staple. He likes to play with a bunch of linebackers,
Speaker 1: you know, that's his thing, athletic athletic linebackers. We had Pepper,
Speaker 1: we had call Banks, we had Launched Taylor, Gary Reason.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm saying this sounds weird. Steve Diaz,
Speaker 1: Steve built like an icebox, but what he was good
Speaker 1: at was we were big. They were big, so they
Speaker 1: would close that bubble. You saw how Minnesota was getting
Speaker 1: those offensive linemen. They were attacking Smith down the field,
Speaker 1: Vanderge they were cutting them at their feet. Pepper and
Speaker 1: Dios would close that bubble and they would hit them
Speaker 1: as if they were defensive lineman with a two yards start,
Speaker 1: and that bubble was closed. That's why we were so
Speaker 1: good and effective against the run. I mean, the linebackers
Speaker 1: they got now van Noy Collins, high tower, they can rush,
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of sacks combined, they can cover,
Speaker 1: and we see a lot of these zero basically cover
Speaker 1: zero because they got so much faith in their secondary.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got Pro Bowl guys in the secondary.
Speaker 1: It's really unique, but it's really effective. You know, look
Speaker 1: at their front seven and compare it to any other
Speaker 1: team in the league. As far as the number of
Speaker 1: players that they have in their front seven, it's a
Speaker 1: very limited number. I mean, I've got their their front seven,
Speaker 1: these defensive linemen and linebackers, I've count thirteen guys for
Speaker 1: seven positions on the team. Cowboys have like seventeen front
Speaker 1: seven guys. It's a reason why Michael Bennett's here, because
Speaker 1: they didn't really have a spot for because those are
Speaker 1: hybrid guys and you mentioned high tower Vanoy, John Simons,
Speaker 1: another one Jamie Collins, who can rush or they can
Speaker 1: play in coverage. And what it does it then creates
Speaker 1: an opera roster positions where they can keep four guys
Speaker 1: that are basically just special teams guys Matthew Slater and
Speaker 1: Justin Bethel. They just picked up who's one of the
Speaker 1: top special teams guys in the league, and so they
Speaker 1: they it's amazing. We'll get into this later in the week.
Speaker 1: The way they have put their roster together and how
Speaker 1: Belichick in that organization has figured out how to maximize
Speaker 1: their resources in a salary cap era in the end
Speaker 1: and still be strong in all facets of the game,
Speaker 1: all three facets of the game. That's what's important. And
Speaker 1: you know what, in the way they play it, me
Speaker 1: with my pea brain, they'd suck me probably right into it.
Speaker 1: But it looks like you should run the ball against them.
Speaker 1: You got these two hundred and fifty pound guys lining
Speaker 1: up on the line of scrimmage. I got three hundred
Speaker 1: twenty pound offensive tackles. Let's go hit their skinny butts. Right,
Speaker 1: But somehow the same Philadelphia, Right, you might be big
Speaker 1: and you want to hit these little guys that they're quick,
Speaker 1: But they do have one big guy in there named
Speaker 1: Danny Shelton who's about goes about three forty Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, but watching Philadelphia almost I know those
Speaker 1: guys are talented. But it also looked like they were
Speaker 1: just confused. Was done who to block? These guys were
Speaker 1: coming from all times? The difference, that's the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can line them up, but can you catch them?
Speaker 1: You big, but can you catch that little guy? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they know exactly where they're gonna be. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they got and as Jason said in his press conference today,
Speaker 1: they've got every gap cover. It's confusing to the offense,
Speaker 1: but once but they know what they're now. And that's
Speaker 1: the other thing that they do is just like back
Speaker 1: in the day when Bill Belichick had Everson Walls and
Speaker 1: then he made sure that he had Everson Walls when
Speaker 1: he became a head coach with the Cleveland Browns. They've
Speaker 1: got guys that are smart who and and that's how
Speaker 1: they they think Belichick. Yeah, yeah, let's not go too far.
Speaker 1: Come on, not this week now, not this week, this week?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, the break guys are waiting out there
Speaker 1: to come in here, so we can take we can
Speaker 1: take that minute. I guess we're done with this edition
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys. There's gonna be more talk time for
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Everything I'm not going to be in here episode.
Speaker 1: It'll be Rob Mickey and Everson tomorrow and tell you
Speaker 1: I've got TV spontor every Thursday. We might have got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, the break is next and Will and some
Speaker 1: of us will talk at you tomorrow. I'm Talking Cowboys.
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