1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: In this episode of Newtsworld, as we begin to think 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: about the twenty twenty four election, one of the most 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: important jobs we have as a party is to identify 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: strong candidates in each state and give them the training 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: they'll need to understand how to run a campaign. My 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: guest today has the remarkable name, the campaign doctor Chuck Mouth. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: I've watched Chuck for many, many years. He has an 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: amazing background. He is the president of a nonprofit grassroots 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: lobbying organization called Citizens Outreach, and his Mouth's Truths is 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: the number one conservative political public policy blog in Nevada. 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to welcome my guest and old friend, 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Chuck Mouth. Chuck, welcome, and thank you for joining me 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: on news World. 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: It's an honor to be with you, mister speaker. Thank 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: you for having me. 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: I'm curious, how did you start getting into politics. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, I joined the local Clark County Republican Central Committee 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: in the early nineteen nineties that's where Las Vegas is, 19 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: and after a couple of years ended up getting elected 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: chairman of the party and realized very quickly that I 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 2: really didn't know what I didn't know. After you took 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: over the House of representatives in nineteen ninety four, and 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: I was part of the go PAC tapes and everything else. 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: I asked our national committeeman, I learned about your campaign 25 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: management college with Joe Gaylord and asked the national committeeman 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: if he would pay to send me back. And I 27 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: spent a week with you guys, and by the time 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: I was finished, I knew exactly what I wanted to 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: do in politics. I wanted to do what you and 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: Joe did because I was just amazed at all that 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: I learned in seven days that no one in Nevada 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: was teaching, let alone knew about. And so I came 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: back and started doing similar training here in Nevada. 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, Why did did you join the 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: local Republican Party Central Committee. 36 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: I was working for a car rental company. I was 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: managing an operation they were building a new facility. That's 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: how I moved from Maryland to Las Vegas in the 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: first place. And one of our sales reps, who was 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: selling us cleaning supplies and things like that, was a 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: local active Republican and we just struck up a conversation 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: and he invited me to attend my first Central Committee meeting. 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: With him, and I did and got hooked and just 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: increasedly got more and more involved. Joined the Central Committee, 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: got on the executive Board, was elected chairman, and then 46 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: took it from there. So it's just a progression. 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: Now, you both did things actively in Nevada, but you 48 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: also came to Washington as the executive director at the 49 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: American Conservative Union in two thousand and two. That's a 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: pretty big jump from Las Vegas. 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: It was, and it all came about I went to 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: a convention in Reno, Nevada, and there at the convention 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: was former Reagan advisor Lynn Nosiger, and somehow he ended 54 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: up my newsletter list. I did not know it, but 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: he told me that he was reading it, and we 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: struck up a great friendship, and he gave me a 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: great piece of advice. He said, look, if you want 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: to be an actor, you have to go to Hollywood. 59 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: If you really want to play big in politics, you 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: got to go to DC. And it was our mutual friend. 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: Grover Norquist knew about the opening for executive director in 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: two thousand and two at the American Conservative Union. He 63 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: put my name in. I flew back, did an interview 64 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: with David Keene and they hired me and I moved 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: back there for a couple of years. 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: That's amazing. But twenty twelve you launched campaign doctor dot com. 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: That was a pretty gutsy thing to do. Yeah. 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: I had a number of people in Nevada who were 69 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: on my email lists that were just focused on teaching 70 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: how to run campaigns, how to win campaigns, how to 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: manage campaigns. And it just grew from there. People started 72 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: spreading the word and folks from around the countries asked 73 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: to join the newsletter list. So we eventually just set 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: up a complete website where anybody can join. And I 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: guess maybe we had a couple of dozen at the 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: time in twenty twelve, and now we're well up to 77 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: over six thousand candidates from all across the country. 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: It's an amazing institution. I recommended to everybody to take 79 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: a look at campaigndoctor dot com and we're going to 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: have the ways they can follow you as part of 81 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: our show page. I get your stuff, and it's really 82 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: worthwhile and you very often focus in on things that 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: are vital now. Joe Gaylord is my co author for 84 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: March to the Majority, and he was my partner for 85 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: almost twenty years in creating a Republican majority and getting 86 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: it reelected. How did you hear about the Campaign Management College. 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 2: I'm guessing that was over twenty five years ago, but 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that I learned about it through the 89 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: go Pack tapes, your cassette series that you and Joe 90 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: were putting out in the early nineteen mid nineteen nineties, 91 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: So I think I learned about it there and then 92 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: followed up realized it was being hosted by I think 93 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: by the Republican National Committee at the time, but you 94 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: and Joe were the two prime forces of it. And 95 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: when I read about the Campaign Management College, I very 96 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: quickly realized, gosh, you guys are teaching things that I 97 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: don't know and nobody here knows, so I want to go. 98 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: I'm a lifetime student. You don't stop your education once 99 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: you get out of high school or college, so I've 100 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: probably spent more money learning about politics and marketing since 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: that time than most people spend to go to an 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: Ivy League university. 103 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: When you took the Campaign Management College, what was it like? 104 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: What was your sense of it? 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, it was just unbelievable. I think we 106 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: started every morning breakfasted around seven o'clock. We went all 107 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: the way through and this was seven days straight, all 108 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: the way through till eight nine o'clock at night, and 109 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: then you and Joe gave us homework every night. We 110 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: had a crisis management situation. We had to figure out 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: how we were going to respond and get out of 112 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: press release. It was the most intense educational experience I've 113 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: ever been through. It was just absolutely amazing. I know 114 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: there's other groups out there that do training and maybe 115 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: two or three days and nine to five, but what 116 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 2: you guys were able to put together with that really 117 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: seven until ten midnight. We didn't get much sleep during 118 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: the Campaign Management College, but it was worth every single minute. 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Joe had and still has. We talked about this in 120 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: the book March the Majority. He'd come up from his 121 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 1: own experience, which started in Iowa in the early nineteen seventies, 122 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: so he'd had a great deal of experience by the 123 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: time we were doing this. He basically has six keys 124 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: to building a majority, said, first, you must know what 125 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: you were for, what you will do, and what you 126 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: will undo. Second, you have to use on ambiguous language 127 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: to describe policy, using everyday words that explain what you 128 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: are going to do and why. Third, you must run 129 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: candidates everywhere and train them even in districts that appear unwinnable. Fourth, 130 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: you have to learn to communicate effectively over under and 131 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: around the national media and elites. It's essential. Fifth, you've 132 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: got to build up the resources that are necessary for success. 133 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: Money is vitally important, but also people and time. And finally, 134 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: it's important to take every opportunity to remind voters of 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: the shortcomings of the opposition. And it's only that's a 136 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: pretty decent six points starting for thinking about campaigns. Did 137 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: that influence you at the time tremendously? 138 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: Especially number two? The issues that you deal with in 139 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: government and politics are very complicated, very often and very confusing. 140 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: They use terms and legal language that the average person 141 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: sitting around the dinner table just does not relate to. 142 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: I think it's probably one of the assets that President 143 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: Trump had in all the years that he had was 144 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: that when he spoke, he wasn't speaking in Washington language. 145 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: He was speaking the way people speak around the dinner 146 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: table about issues that affect them. And so I think 147 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: probably my main focus when I'm training candidates is more 148 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: on the communication side and the messaging side, and how 149 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: to relate with the average voter. A campaign isn't about 150 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: the candidate, It's about the voter. It's a marketing operation. 151 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: You have to be able to persuade them to vote 152 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: for you on election day, or to contribute money to 153 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: your campaign, or to volunteer on your campaign. And you're 154 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: not going to do that if you're speaking the language 155 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: of Washington, d C. Rather than the language of main 156 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: street America. 157 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: What were your reflections on having taken the course. 158 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: I knew when I came home I wanted to do 159 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: what Joe Gaylord and you were doing. I wanted to 160 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: bring what I had learned in DC back to Nevada. 161 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: But I had been to some earlier training programs put 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: on by other organizations, and what I found was there 163 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: were people coming out to Nevada when I was a 164 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: county chairman. They came to Nevada and they were basically 165 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: reading out of a training manual. It says, when you're 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: walking door to door and it's one hundred and twelve 167 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: degrees in Las Vegas and August, that you should cross 168 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: the street in a counterclockwise fashion. Things like that, And 169 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: I realized that they did not have the personal experience. 170 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: They were reading it out of a manual, but they 171 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: hadn't actually lived it. So when I came back, I 172 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: think probably one of the biggest things that came back 173 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: was I wanted to be able to have the moral 174 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: authority to say, hey, I've been there, I've done that, 175 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: I've been a candidate. So the state Senate district that 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: I lived in was represented by the actually the Senate 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: Minority leader at the time. It was a three to 178 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: one Democrat district. But I wanted to run for the 179 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: experience that I could stand in front of a group 180 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: and actually be able to relate as a candidate what 181 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: it really is like going out there. So I ran, 182 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: I got my clock cleaned, I drove her nuts. She 183 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: can't stand me to this day, so that was well 184 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: worth it. But I do have the practical experience, so 185 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: I know what it's like. And maybe one of the 186 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: things speaker that people have to realize when you're a candidate, 187 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 2: it's very much like being an entrepreneur. Unless you've been there, 188 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 2: it's very difficult for anyone else to really fully relate 189 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: to how alone you often are and the decisions that 190 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 2: you have to make because it's your life, your reputation, 191 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: your money. That's quite often on the line, and plenty 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: of people out there give you a lot of advice. 193 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: And I found that during the course of that campaign, 194 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 2: a lot of that advice was bad advice. And I 195 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: knew that it was bad advice only because I had 196 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: been to the campaign management college with you and Joe. 197 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: Hi. This is newt. In my new book, March the Majority, 198 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: The Real Story of the Republican Revolution, I offer strategies 199 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: and insights for everyday citizens and for season politicians. It's 200 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: both a guide for political success and for winning back 201 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: the Majority. In twenty twenty four, March to the Majority 202 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: outlines the sixteen year campaign to write the Contract with America. 203 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: Explains how we elected the first Republican House majority in 204 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: forty years in how we worked with President Bill Clinton 205 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: to pass major reforms, including four consecutive balance budgets. March 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: to the Majority tells the behind the scenes story of 207 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: how we got it done. Go to ginglishtree sixty dot 208 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: com slash book and order your copy now. Order it 209 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: today at gangwishweet sixty dot com slash book. Can you 210 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: take on the Democratic leader in the State Senate in 211 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: a district as a three to one Democratic voter registration advantage. Now, 212 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: clearly you knew that was going to be an uphill campaign. 213 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: No question. Actually, when I was walking door to door 214 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: at the time, my wife Gea, I know you and 215 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: Callista had met years ago when we did an event 216 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,119 Speaker 2: here in Las Vegas with you, But she was the neighborhood. 217 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 2: She had her own business. She was a neighborhood ice 218 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: cream lady. She had an ice cream truck, and everybody 219 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood knew her. When I got to the door, 220 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: I could tell them my name, and that didn't mean 221 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: anything until I said, oh, yeah, well you might have 222 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: seen my wife. She's the ice cream lady. Oh yeah, 223 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: we know Gia. That's great. So I think she probably 224 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: got me more votes than I got. 225 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: Just say, you should have gotten hurt her run. 226 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. In retrospect, it'd probably been a better idea. 227 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: What were your reflections on having been a candidate and 228 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: having gone through that process. 229 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: At that point I felt a lot more comfortable. I'll 230 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: tell you that one of the things that helped me 231 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: greatly at the Campaign Management College was the whole section 232 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: on public speaking. I'm basically an introvert. I'm never considered 233 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: myself to be a very good speaker, and I was 234 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: scared to death, as most candidates are, to speak in 235 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: public at first, and just the experience of going out 236 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,479 Speaker 2: and talking to people door to door made it easier 237 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: when I was speaking to a crowd because I could 238 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: relate back to saying I was speaking with mister Smith 239 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: the other day while I was on the campaign trail 240 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: or back during the campaign, and he relayed to me, 241 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: so I was able to use stories, which Ronald Reagan 242 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: was great at using stories that I learned that from 243 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: your school. Being able to explain what other people were 244 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: saying and how government was impacting their life, that had 245 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: a profound effect on my ability and my comfort level 246 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: and actually speaking in public. So I highly encourage candidates 247 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: if you're going door to door, a lot of times 248 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: you're better off listening to what the voter is telling 249 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: you rather than trying to sell yourself at that point, 250 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: because very often the voter will tell you exactly what 251 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: you need to do say in order to get their vote, 252 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: and if you listen, you'll catch that. If you talk, 253 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: you're not going to catch that. 254 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: One of our basic models is listen, learn, help, and 255 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: lead in that order, because I think that's what it 256 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: takes to really deal with human beings. You've got to 257 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: listen to him first before they're going to listen to you. 258 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: Jack Camp used to say, they have to know that 259 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: you care before they care that you know. There's a 260 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: great line. But even though you lost, you apparently weren't 261 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: dissuaded because you immediately start traveling around Nevada and doing 262 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: campaign seminars. 263 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: When I ran, I knew that doing the campaign training 264 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: was what I wanted to do. I wanted to run 265 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: just for that experience to help with the campaign training. 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: But after that race, even though I live in Las Vags, 267 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: I guess we had a great state chairman at the time, 268 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: John Mason, who was willing to fund me to go 269 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: out to rural Nevada, travel up to Reno, to little 270 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: small towns like Elko and Ealy. Look, those folks would 271 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: never be able to afford to go back to Washington, 272 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 2: d C. For a week and go through a training 273 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: programmer like that. But Chairman Mason cut me loose and said, yeah, 274 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: go ahead, go out into these rural counties. You'll remember 275 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: Evelyn McPhail, the rnc CO chair back in the nineteen nineties. 276 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: She had a great training program also, and she had 277 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: a five star program for training county chairman. Now, when 278 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: I was county chairman, I had no idea what I 279 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: was doing. I had a sense of I want to 280 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: change things. I was passionate, I was enthusiastic, but really 281 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: didn't know how to go about it. But Evelyn's five 282 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: star program in training county chairs was just so great 283 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: and so helpful to me that I went out and 284 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: started training other county chairs in Nevada so that they 285 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: would have a better idea. And that's how you grow 286 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: your farm team. County chairs can move up and become 287 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: the state chair. State chairs can end up being candidates 288 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: for state wide office. So you have to start at 289 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: the bottom, and I'm okay with that. I know a 290 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: lot of people like to start right at the top, 291 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: but I prefer to grow the grassroots from the ground 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: up rather than start at the top down. 293 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: So I mean, you've now been involved for over thirty years, correct, 294 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: This is really quite a record. 295 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: I was thinking about that before we came on the 296 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: air today. I mean, you and I go back with 297 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: twenty five twenty eight years now, and I'm thinking about 298 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,479 Speaker 2: all of the people who were actively involved in politics 299 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: when I got started, who we've never heard from again. 300 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: Of course, we're getting older, so some of them have 301 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: passed into the great beyond. But others they get involved 302 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: in politics kind of like a shooting star. They arrive 303 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: on the scene, they make a big splash, then maybe 304 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: they lose their race, and then you never hear from 305 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: them again, which is really a shame because they've already 306 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: accumulated some knowledge, some experience that would be very helpful. 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: And you don't have to be a candidate to make 308 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: a difference. You can make a big difference behind the scenes. 309 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: You don't have to be the king. You can kind 310 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: of be the king maker if you know what you're doing, 311 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: and then find good people, good quality candidates, help mentor them, 312 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: help teach them what it takes to run a winning campaign. 313 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: And that was one of the big things that take 314 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: away when people asked why I was doing that. I 315 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: could have moved to a different district and I could 316 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: have won. In Nevada, you have forty two members of 317 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: the state Assembly, and my thinking at the time was, 318 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: if I win, I'm one of forty two voices. But 319 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: if I can help teach and train twenty your thirty 320 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: conservatives on how to get elected, twenty your thirty conservatives 321 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: makes a much bigger difference than just one voice up 322 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: there in Carson City. 323 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Tell me about how politics in Nevada have changed over 324 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: recent years. 325 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: Well, it changed in a very big way last year 326 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: now very unfortunately, in twenty fourteen, Republicans finally got the 327 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: triple crown for the first time they get at least 328 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: forty years. We had a Republican governor, a Republican controlled 329 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: State Senate, and a Republican controlled State Assembly. They proceeded 330 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: to pass the largest tax increase in state history into 331 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen session. Not surprisingly, in twenty sixteen, they lost 332 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: the State Assembly and the State Senate. They ended up 333 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: in the minority. Then they ended up in the super 334 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: minority in the State Assembly last year, and they're one 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: seat away from a super minority in the state Senate, 336 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: which means the Democrats can now override gubernatorial vetos and 337 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: pass tax increases because we have a two third supermajority 338 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: requirement for tax increases. But we did get a Republican governor, 339 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: and that's where The big difference was last. 340 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: Year, why would the Republican majority pass a big tax increase. 341 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: It's an enigma. The Republican governor at the time, Brian Santoval, 342 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: I think it was under pressure from the state's leading industry, 343 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: the gaming industry. They did not want their taxes raised, 344 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: so they wanted to broad the tax on all the 345 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: other corporations in the state. It was called the commerce tax, 346 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: and basically it's an income tax on corporations. And I 347 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: believe it was at the behest of the gaming industry 348 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: that Governor sand of all decided to push this commerce tax. 349 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: Given what happened to George hw Bush when he broke 350 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: his word, do you think most Repulicans would figure out, Oh, 351 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: I'm not in the tax increased party, that's the other guys. 352 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: It was odd, by the way last year that we 353 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: won the governorship and lost the Senate seat. How did 354 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: you explain that difference? 355 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: The governor was Governor Joe Lombardo. He was for eight 356 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: years the sheriff of Clark County, so he had much 357 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: higher name id and was absolutely perceived to be much 358 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: more of a moderate. I mean, he wasn't out there 359 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: talking tea party maga language. He was absolutely a moderate, 360 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: and look, if I was living in a red state, 361 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: I love a red meat conservative candidate. But the fact 362 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: of the matter is, because of so many Californians, California missionaries, 363 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: not refugees, but missionaries who have brought all their bad 364 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: ideas into Clark County, we're now a purple state and 365 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 2: it's going to be very, very difficult to run a 366 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: strong conservative candidate. I mean, you could be a conservative, 367 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: you just can't wear it on your sleeve that way. 368 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: Adam Laxalt was our US Senate candidate, very strong candidate. 369 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: He was our former attorney general, but he was much 370 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: more aligned with the harder conservative language and the types 371 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: of issues. But he's still only lost by eight thousand votes, 372 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: whereas Governor Lombardo won by fifteen thousand votes. And I 373 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: think maybe another problem that Adam Laxel had was that 374 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: he was from Reno, he was from northern Nevada, so 375 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: he didn't do as well in Clark County as Governor 376 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: Lombardo did. 377 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Clark is what seventy percent of the state. 378 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: Clark County is seventy to seventy five percent of the 379 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: voting population is in Clark County. 380 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: It basically swings the whole state pretty much. 381 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unfortunate. The rural Nevada basically goes Republican, Clark 382 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: County goes Democrat, and often they kind of offset each other. 383 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: So in reality, the Reno area in Washoe County is 384 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: a swing county and that often in statewide races, it's 385 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: who wins Washo County ends up winning the election because 386 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: the rural Nevada County is offset the Clark County advantage 387 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: the Democrats have. 388 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: Way back in nineteen ninety two, you founded the Citizen 389 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Outreach Foundation, which is a nonprofit five oh one C 390 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: three so it can take tax deductible money. What was 391 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: your reasoning and what does the Citizen Outreach Foundation focus on? 392 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: Actually, it had already been founded. It was founded in 393 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two by two of my board members, Jerry 394 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: and Felicia Dorchuk. They founded in nineteen ninety two. I 395 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 2: didn't have anything to do with that. They were involved 396 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: in politics with the legislature and whatnot. But when I 397 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: left the American Conservative Union and wanted to move back 398 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: to Nevada, I knew that. Okay, I learned how to 399 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: put on conferences like seapack and how to do things 400 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: as an organization, a nonprofit organization, and I wanted to 401 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: bring that back to Nevada, just as I brought the 402 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: campaign training back from your Campaign Management College. And as 403 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: it turned out, the Dorchucks had let Citizen Outreach Foundation 404 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: they got involved in some other businesses and it was 405 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: just kind of dormant, and so I just reached out 406 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: to them and said, hey, would you mind if I 407 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: take it over? If you're not going to do anything, 408 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: would you mind if I take over Citizen Outreach Foundation 409 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: and bring that back to Nevada, kind of resuscitate it 410 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: and start doing things again. And they agreed to. So 411 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: as long as you leave us on board of directors 412 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: and don't get us sued, we're fine. 413 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: So that gave you a base or an institution to 414 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: go out and educate people. 415 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: And it was a lot easier since they already had 416 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: an existing five oh one C three nonprofit that had 417 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: already been approved by the IRS. I didn't have to 418 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: spend thousands and thousands of dollars to hire a lawyer 419 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: to create one from scratch. So it was just a 420 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: board meeting on the phone, and it was a done deal. 421 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Now, just to go to current politics for a minute, 422 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: there have been some polls that show that over half 423 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: the state disapproves of Joe Biden's job as president, and 424 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: a big majority about sixty two percent. I think the 425 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: economy has gotten worse on President Biden, but he does 426 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: maintain a three point lead over Trump and loses by 427 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: one point to Governor DeSantis. What is your instinct about 428 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: what's happening in Nevada politics in terms of twenty twenty four. 429 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: I think it's very very similar. Yes, Joe Biden's negatives 430 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: are way up there, but Republicans and Conservatives have to 431 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: realize that they were way up there last year as well. 432 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: So it's not enough to simply point out that their 433 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: policies are bad. We have to have like your contract 434 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: with America. It's not just that we don't want their 435 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: policies anymore, but specifically, here's what we're going to do. 436 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: If you elect us, if you give us a majority, 437 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: if you give us the White House, this is what 438 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: we're going to do. And we have to explain how 439 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: it's going to benefit them at the dinner table, and 440 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: how it benefits their education, their bank account, their jobs, 441 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: so it can't just be all negative. It's got to 442 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: be a real balance between both what you want to 443 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: get rid of and what you want to get if 444 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: we elect us. 445 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: Now you have a presidential primary, is that right? You 446 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: don't have a caucus. 447 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: That's a mess. Here's mister speaker. 448 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: Did I open up a candle? Worms? 449 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you sure did. So we've had a caucus. The 450 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: Democrats passed a bill to take us off of caucus, 451 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: and now there will be a primary for both parties. 452 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 2: It's in law. There's going to be a primary, but 453 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court has said that the party does not 454 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: have to award its delegates at the primary. They can 455 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: still hold a separate caucus and award their delegates to 456 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: the national convention through the caucus. So what we have 457 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: now is the battery. Republican Party sued to block the primary, 458 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: the court struck it down. The primary will go forward. 459 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: The party is now planning to hold a caucus also, 460 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: which is going to be just a public relations nightmare 461 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: because people are going to realize, hey, I'm going to 462 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: the primary, I'm voting for my candidate, and if the 463 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: candidate who wins the primary isn't the candidate who wins 464 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: the caucus held on the same day. The caucus candidates 465 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: go to get the delegates, and the people who voted 466 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: for the other candidate are going to be extremely, extremely 467 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: agitated that their vote didn't count. So I'm hoping that 468 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: the Nevada Republican Party doesn't go down there. I'm a 469 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: caucus kind of guy. I like CAUCUSUS frankly, I'd like 470 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: to give and take. But since it's in law and 471 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: there's going to be a primary anyway, I think it's 472 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: going to be a nightmare and it's going to be 473 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 2: a disaster for the party if they do both Texas. 474 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, the Texas Democrats between Obama 475 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: and Clinton had that kind of a dual track, and 476 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Clinton actually won the primary but got wiped out in 477 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: the caucuses. It was really interesting. There was a great shock, 478 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: of course to the Clinton campaign, who had miscalculated how 479 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: things were going to go. Do you have any sense 480 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: between Trump and de Santas and all the other candidates 481 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: how they are doing in Nevada. 482 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's got a very strong base of support in Nevada. 483 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: Thevada Republican Party and the Trump campaign are almost joined at 484 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: the hip. I mean, it is that strong, which is 485 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: why I think the party's pushing for a caucus rather 486 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: than the primary, because it definitely favors Donald Trump at 487 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: the grassroots level. If you have a caucus. He's been 488 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 2: out to Las Vegas a number time, all over Nevada, 489 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: so he does have a very strong base of support. 490 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: Can Governor DeSantis cut into that? Well? You and I 491 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: both know that in seven months anything can happen in politics. 492 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: Of course, Governor Santas could close the gap, and you 493 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: never know what's going to happen on election day. And 494 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: I think that's also part of the problem though, is 495 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: that a lot of DeSantis folks are not real happy 496 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: with the idea that the party is throwing what they 497 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: believe or what they may perceive, that they're pushing his 498 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: caucus because they think it favors Donald Trump. And that's 499 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: not really helping with party unity here either. 500 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: That's a problem all over the country. I think that 501 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: people want a fair process that's stable. I just want 502 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: to tell you, first of all, how much I appreciated 503 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: the very kind words you've written about March to the 504 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: Majority and the job that Joe and I did. It 505 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: means a lot to me personally, having watched you be 506 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: a party loyalist and a good citizen for all of 507 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: these years, have given your judgment. Second, I want to 508 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: say that I hope people will go and take a 509 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: look at Citizen Outreach Foundation, and I hope also that 510 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: they will sign up for your various publications, and we're 511 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: going to have on our show page the opportunity for 512 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: them to do that. And I think in terms of 513 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: practical politics, every candidate in the country ought to be 514 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: receiving your material because you break it down into learnable 515 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: things that are just dramatically helpful. I think I don't 516 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: know anybody else in the country who is a one 517 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: person university the way you are, So I thought this 518 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: would be a great introduction for our listeners to politics 519 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: at a practical grassroots level and the fact that everybody 520 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: is a citizen has a chance to come and play. 521 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: March the majority was absolutely fabulous. We have in Nevada. 522 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, Republicans in the Nevada Legislature in 523 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: the state Assembly are in a super minority. Folks there 524 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 2: don't believe they can't see their way to the majority. 525 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: So over the weekend I bought copies through Amazon and 526 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: had it shipped to all fourteen members, but a lot 527 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: of them are received at a couple of the roles. It 528 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: takes a little bit longer for Amazon to get out 529 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: to Elco Nevadam. I'm using the book to help those 530 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: caucus members get out of their super minority. 531 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: Chuck Onna, thank you for joining me and for all 532 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: the work you've done training candidates over the years. And 533 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: I want our listeners to know they can find out 534 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: more about the campaign doctor by going to campaign dooctor 535 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: dot com and Citizen Outreach at citizenowreach dot org. 536 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: My pleasure, and if you see Professor Gaylord, make sure 537 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: you give them my best. 538 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Chuckmouth. You can learn more 539 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: about his campaign training on our show page at newsworld 540 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: dot com. Newtsworld is produced by Gamers three sixty and iHeartMedia. 541 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: Our executive producer is Guarnsey Slum and our researcher is 542 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: Rachel Peterson. 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