WEBVTT - Straight Shot No Chaser with Tezlyn Figaro: Recap The Vivek Ramaswamy Interview 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:09.880 Yeah, I'll go from your question. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:11.920 Let's just keep it real straight. Sh eye will no chase. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:13.120 I'm gonna get a little bit rough. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.440 I'm here for those who really believe in the American process, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.040 all of us Street shot no chase with your girl 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.160 Tess to figure out on the black effect podcasting at 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:25.840 word at work. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:32.159 So as you guys may know, I have some folks 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.440 really upset with me. Oh man, I've been called everything 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.320 but a child of God, and I thought I would 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.879 give you guys some background on exactly what it is 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:48.519 that you're that you're witnessing. One thing is it is 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:58.200 hilarious to me that I guess mister Ramaswami's supporters are 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:05.760 not actually realizing how their comments. Some folks say that, 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.640 you know, there's been a text allegedly, let me say 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:13.200 allegedly that a text has been sent out to a 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.240 lot of his supporters to flood the comments section. Some 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.760 folks also say that you guys do know that you 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.720 can pay to get positive comments made a million services 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:29.080 out there, but you know allegedly because I actually know 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.520 conservatives believe it or not, and allegedly there's been a 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:40.320 organizing effort to flood the comments. Now, the reason why 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.400 I want to let you guys know why this is 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:53.160 probably very likely that this has happened. It's probably exactly 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.600 the truth is because for those of you that don't know, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.320 we watch the numbers on our page. We know who 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.920 the listeners are, we know how they respond, we know 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:04.919 how they engage. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.120 For those that don't know, if you put up a 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.080 video on YouTube. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:15.720 And you get anywhere from maybe one to three percent, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.880 it's not even YouTube, it's just social media period. If 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.640 you get one to three percent of engagement, you're doing 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.040 really well. So if I have a video with one 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.360 hundred thousand, so let's look at let's look at the 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.840 and I'm just giving you guys to just just some 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.240 games so you can tell what's authentic and what's not. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.120 When there's an organizing campaign, which I think is great. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.120 I hope they can organize maybe to get their guy 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.400 up in the polls, because right now he's not even close. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.840 But I just want to give you guys some game. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.360 So the video of the interview is one hundred and 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.239 fifty two thousand views, it's not really a lot of 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.760 views when we look at you know, other videos that 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.320 do well. And I also want to make sure we 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.760 understand this. The Reckless Club is a four hour radio show. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.160 It's on the radio. For those that don't know. I'm 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.920 really putting this out there for the conservatives who don't 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.120 watch the show or listen to the show, and you know, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.560 really think they're doing a big thing under the comments 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.520 and saying oh, yes, you should be let go as 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.680 a listener. I don't like this. You're not our listeners, guys, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.600 And this is how we know. I'm just giving you 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.560 the game because mister Ramaswami, if allegedly, if it is 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.800 your campaign that have asked people to do this, they're 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.240 doing way too much and we can tell. But I 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.840 want to use it to my advantage to help you organize. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.000 And I really am proud to have the most engaged 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.080 not only comment section for the week. It looks like 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.400 we're going to beat all political interviews. So let me 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.800 show you. And that's actually a plus to me, guys. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.520 In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, you're 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.440 so smart. But in case you haven't figured it out, 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.080 so just to give you guys some social media game 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.040 on how this work and how campaigns work, is you know, 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.240 the key is to make sure that the message is 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.040 reiterated in the comments section, over and over and over 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.040 and over. And one thing I'll tell you about conservatives. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.120 They do this really well, and the reason why they 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.520 have to do this the way that they do. First 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.000 of all, conservatives stay on message. They'll beat that message 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.160 in your head over and over and over and over 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.280 and over and over and over until the point that 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.039 you to really make you believe, well, maybe there's some 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.839 truth to it. For example, over and over and over. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.280 They stole the election. They stole the election. They stole 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.080 the election to the point that folks believed it enough 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.600 to go storm the capitol. It's a witch hunt. It's 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.560 a witch hunt. It's a witch hunt. Conservatives do an 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.080 amazing job, which I think Democrats and liberals could stand 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.960 to do better of messaging over and over and over. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.359 They pow on over and over and over, kind of 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.799 like how they powed on everybody when they storm the Capitol. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.880 So and they do that because the majority of people 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.600 in America are either moderate or liberal, so it's not 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.320 a lot of conservatives as you would think. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:57.719 But they make. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:03.960 The message appear louder, They make it appear as if 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.480 there's more of them than it is moderates or liberals, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.440 are far left or whatever you want to call them, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.039 because they have to be louder and they have to 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.840 be stronger, because it is literally from a number standpoint, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.800 it's not enough conservatives. So the key is go in 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.920 where you can appear louder, and social media is a 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.400 great tool to do that. So the goal is I 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.920 have to make my message as loud as possible and 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.960 do the most on social media because that's the only 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.479 way to get the message out, and conservatives again do 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.280 it well. This is how you know that these are 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.680 not our listeners. This is how you know that allegedly 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.640 I heard a text was sent out in the conservative 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.280 database Conservative you know groups to say pale them too. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.279 The comments. This is how they're telling on themselves. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.080 We have one hundred and fifty two thousand views on 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:01.279 my interview this morning. Lack actually was fifteen last night, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:09.440 it was fifteen, fifteen five ninety four. Just a minute 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.320 ago it was sixteen five ninety four to the t. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.919 Now it's sixteen six hundred, So just since I've been 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:21.320 talking to you, it's been extra fifty. Instantly, when you 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.440 look at the times that people are posting like back 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.200 to back to back, like look I'm looking at I'm 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:28.800 reading to you. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.640 Guys. You can't see it because I'm not on a video. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:32.920 But literally. 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.560 Eleven seconds ago, races do exist. This show's approve it 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:42.000 nineteen seconds ago. This girl needs an education twenty five 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.080 seconds ago. The breakfast club need to stay away from 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.039 politics thirty seconds ago. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.760 America's not false. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.800 Federal Reserve is literally a country forty three seconds ago. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.240 Not all black people are dumb. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.600 She's dumb fifty seconds seconds, fifty seven seconds ago, dumb, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.520 see dumb? A picture should be by her. Guys, you're 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:08.479 telling on yourself. You're literally telling on yourself because at 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.600 best this interview based upon this being a four hour 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:16.400 entertainment show with eight million listeners twenty million on the 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:21.200 podcast on a good day, three percent, we should maybe 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:26.120 be getting three or four thousand comments. Engage you guys 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:31.040 are doing the most. You're at Damnar's seventeen thousand comments, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.880 which tells me that the text message that went out 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:39.200 is probably true because of the consistency of the comments, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.680 because the amount of the comments, and I'm gonna say 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.080 you paid for folks to do it. Some people say 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.960 that you did, but I'm just showing you this guy 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.480 is running a PR campaign. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.480 This is a part for those of you that don't know. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.960 I run Teslam figure Out Communications Group, so I actually 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.840 do know how PR campaigns work. I worked on five 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.360 twenty seven, so that's a pack that does this type 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:04.280 of stuff to get people elected, to basically create campaigns 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.840 that are designed to go against the opponent. I literally 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.560 have done this, so I know exactly what it looks like. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.320 And you guys are overdoing it. You're telling on yourself. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.320 So whatever you think you're showing me, you're not. But 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.920 I actually now I'm excited about it because I'm excited 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.640 to see you organize in this way. I want to 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.960 beat Joe Biden's comment section, which was only twenty four thousand. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.520 By the way, Now let me show you why. Let 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.320 me show you a more blatant example on why we 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:41.319 know this is false, why the comments are not from 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.200 listeners while we know it really is a campaign, to say, hey, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.679 go flood the conversations and let me tell you this, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.920 There'll be no firing Teslam figure Out. I just want 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.680 you all to know, stop with the she shouldn't have 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.800 a job. I'm not Don Lemon number one. I'm not 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.440 an employee, have a contract with iHeartRadio. I have for 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.480 the last three years on my podcast, and can I 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.880 give you some breaking news. I've said much worse on 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.640 my podcast, guys, much much, much much worse. I actually 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.800 took it kind of light. So iHeart is aware of 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.000 who they had sitting in the seat, So you guys 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.800 can stop that. And also can I also say, y'all 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.000 get Don Lemit fired. He was already on his way 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:23.679 out the door. I know y'all want to take credit 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.440 for that. I know, Bibi, he put that on his 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.720 website that he embarrassed Don Lemon. I know the timing 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.120 of that appeared that you fired Don Limmit, but you didn't. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:35.600 You didn't. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.320 But it's okay, neither here nor there. Let me show 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.920 you why this is such. This is fake. Eighty five 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.640 Sounds came to the show on the same day, the 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.760 exact same day. Now, remember at the Breakfast Club is 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.720 a entertainment show for four hours, so the majority of 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:57.280 our leaders listen for entertainment. I do the news every morning, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.440 maybe ten minutes at best. Breakfast eighty five Seth came 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.200 to the show on Friday this was the first time 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.760 that DC young Fly did an interview since the loss 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.760 of his child's mother. That's why the views were so high. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.959 The views were at eight hundred and twenty thousand views. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.240 That's about what seven times more than our views. Guess 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:25.720 how many comments? Two thousand and in seventy seven, two thousand, 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.360 three hundred and seventy seven eighty five. Those that don't know, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.359 they have a number one trending movie right now on Netflix, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.040 number one in the country. They've been bouncing from one 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.760 to three in the last few days and they only 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.920 got two thousand, three hundred and seventy seven, which is 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:49.720 about right, because remember I said one, anything over three percent, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:57.320 you're doing really great. Let's look at the Would you 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:04.000 guys say that the Joe that the Joe Biden interview 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.560 was pretty popular? Would you agree? Put you put a 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.240 one hundred up if you agree that the Joe Biden 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.120 they say you ain't black, vote for me, you're not black, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:14.959 or whatever he said. Would you say that was a 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.040 pretty popular interview? Put a one hundred up if you 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.720 believe that it trendedwhere it trended everywhere it was on 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:29.040 mainstream media. Fox picked it up I'm sure seeing then 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.800 covered it. It was on every conservative outlet. Oh man, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:33.760 they ran. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.600 With that message. Just put a one hundred up if 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:36.480 you believe that. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.079 The Joe Biden vote for me if you ain't black 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:44.120 video was a popular video. Well, it was actually folks 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:52.200 on Breakfast Club. The video received one point three million views, 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.680 and it's been sitting there marinating for three years. I 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.560 want to show y'all how this worked. And I know 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.280 y'all say, well it was so old ago, long ago. No, no, no, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.760 somebody actually commented three days ago, four days ago, eight 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.680 days ago, ten days ago. It's still alive, like people 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.280 still watch this video. So even after a video that's 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:22.520 been sitting there for three years, it only received twenty 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:28.240 four thousand, seven hundred and thirty seven comments, a video 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:34.360 that was probably the most circulated video in political interviews 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.920 in recent you know, in recent if we say recent, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.320 you know, recent history five ten years, maybe only got 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.520 twenty four thousand. Let's just round it up, twenty five 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.800 thousand comments. And it's been sitting there for three days 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:54.240 and still is very active on social media because people 0:12:54.280 --> 0:13:00.880 are still commenting. So if that only got twenty five thousand, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.760 let's just round it up. And you mean to tell 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.080 me a video that's only been watched one hundred and 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:12.200 thirty seven times thirty seven thousand times got sixteen thousand, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.800 So we're only seven thousand away from a video that 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.640 was probably the most watched in the last five years. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.760 Come on, guys, this is a campaign. It's a pr campaign. 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.360 Just call it what it is. And so they're upset 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.720 because I out and Sonny, I appreciate you joining. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:32.120 I know you. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.000 I know he's been running from a debate with you, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.640 so I wanted you to join, and I want I 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.520 want to you know, I saw the comment about inspiring 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.000 him to do something for cibys, and that's not the point. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.360 The point is this. You guys can come up with 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.720 all types of Oh yes, she's talking about the sixth grade, 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.959 and that was just saying, hey, man, if you did 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.880 anything other than yourself, let's go all the way back 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:52.800 to the first grade. 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.880 Everything that he's done has been for himself. Period. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.800 Nothing's going to change the fact that your guy just 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.360 already voting a few years ago. I noticed nobody has 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.240 anything to say about that. They keep going to me, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.520 she's angry, she's black, she's aggressive, she doesn't go that 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.960 hard on Democrats, which actually I do. Actually I did 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.800 with Fox News for a long time, and you guys 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:14.360 ate it up. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.160 You loved it. All the conservatives loved it. Oh man, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.880 she's a vetteran. That's right. We need more of her 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:19.840 on our side. Oh yeah. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.840 Matter of fact, Michael Cohen, who threw you guys under 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.840 the bus, he literally offered me fame and wealth to 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.000 come over to the Republican side. In case you didn't 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.359 know that that good on democrats, that hard on democrats. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.640 Oh man, you need to come over to our side. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.880 We'll give you fame and fortune for those of you 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.440 that don't know that. When I would go against Democrats 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.080 and liberals and actually tell them to be quiet when 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.440 I'm talking, far more rude than what y'all say I 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:46.920 did here. 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:48.440 Oh man, they ate it up. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.160 That's the type we need, tough and smart and da 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.360 da da da they ate it up. So, guys, I 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.840 know how conservatives moved. I know how democrats moved too. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.000 You only like it when I'm on your team A hundred. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:01.520 We're in a team sport. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:02.280 I get it. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.160 I've been doing this a long long long time. You 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.080 wanted me to sit up there and talk about race. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.440 You wanted me to bring up something about race. You 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.760 could say, oh, look, she's a racist. She's always talking 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.000 about race. You wanted me to go back and forth 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.240 about the Civil War. You wanted me to go back 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.760 and forth about his policies. Man, I am amazing. Lucas 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.800 broke it down perfectly. You wanted me to get into 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.680 the capitalism conversation. You wanted me just go back and 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.400 look at the interview, and he said, what's Charla Mane? 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.960 You know, I believe capitalism is the way. And Charlamagne said, well, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.800 say capitalism is bad. Well tell me more, Charlemagne, he 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.400 wanted to This is a Harvard and a law, a 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.760 Yale Law School grad. He wanted the debate about the 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.800 things that he's comfortable debating about. I brought up the 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.960 one thing that was not debatable, which is you have 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:51.120 not participated in democracy until the last few years, and 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.600 you are requiring the only reason why I brought a 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:58.160 military guys, is because he is requiring that in order 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.920 to participate in democracy. The man said, if you cannot 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.880 pass the Civics test at eighteen, which even though you 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.640 take Civics all throughout high school. Then you need to 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.840 go serve in the military for six months or a 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.320 first responder. That's the only reason why I brought it up, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.320 because it was relevant to the argument. He has not 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.360 done either of those things. And you guys are missing 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.040 the point. You're allowing them to pull you into the 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.560 minutia of every other topic. Was I angry? Was I aggressive? 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.080 Did I do something in the sixth grade? 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:34.520 Oh? 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.640 He did something. He sold a pharmaceutical, he created FDA, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.200 he is he had he did da da da da. Oh, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:42.880 he did far more than what you did in the 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.640 sixth grade. I'm not following for it, guys. I know 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.440 how you do. I'm really good at this, Believe it 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.200 or not. You can't make me think that i'm not. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.640 You know how I know that I am because you 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.880 guys are literally organizing a campaign in the comments section. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:02.880 I made you organize round the applause, Ronald flaws for 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.840 you exercising your comment service duty and getting busy in 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.040 the comment section. And now I can say with my 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.560 chest that that one question, that one interview, we're on 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.960 track to beat Joe Biden's comment sation and conservatives. I 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.800 think you can do more I think you can do more. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.480 I will be disappointed if we don't beat the twenty 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.359 five thousand, So send out another text. Don't waste the 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.399 comments on Twitter, don't waste them on TikTok. Go to 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.280 the comment sation. I'm literally asking you to do it. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.800 Follow the lead of a black woman and go to 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:43.199 the comment section and get busy because in case you 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.480 guys don't realize it, that's actually how this works. In 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.240 case you guys don't realize it, that's how it works. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:55.080 For every comment. The algorithm pops up, pops it up. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.080 It makes it bigger, It makes the interview bigger. Can 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.399 I give you guys another secret? Do you know I'm 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.040 sitting next to Charlemagne to God, probably the most about 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:04.320 in radio in history. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.040 Do y'all realize that? Like, seriously, do y'all realize that? Maybe? 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.880 Well, you probably don't because you don't watch the show. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.040 Charlemagne's the most talked about in probably radio, at least 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:15.960 in my generation and operation in radio history, this man 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:21.680 has talked about every day, all day, across every platform. Literally, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.280 Oh hey, Joey, I saw you were talking about me 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.320 as well. I hope you go back and rewind this Joey, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.440 so yeah, so talking about me and oh man, I'm 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.040 sitting that to the guy that is most He literally 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:42.080 was cluwn. Literally was called an asshole. Literally, he would 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.200 call himself that. So this is child's play. I want 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.919 you guys to do better, Joey, like I told you yesterday, Joey, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.760 don't waste time talking about me in the comment section 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.359 on YouTube, I mean on Twitter. Go to the comment 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.080 section on YouTube and make your voice heard. Don't that 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.879 sleepy Joe as y'all call him. Don't let sleepy Joe 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.639 beat you. Did Joey leave? Did he get upset and leave? 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.920 Oh? Did Joey leave? When I called him by name? 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:08.359 He left? 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.639 He was so talkative on the comments section and on Twitter. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:16.080 What happened, Joey? I want you to do a service, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.560 do a good pr service, and let's bump these comments up. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.879 Don't let Joe Biden beat you. And guess what, No 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:28.080 matter how many times you comment which I want twenty 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.160 five thousand, I'll be disappointed if you don't get twenty 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.959 five thousand, it's still not going to change that. Your 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.800 guy just started voting a few years ago, and he's 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:40.040 requiring people to meet a certain benchmark that he wasn't 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.040 able to beat in order to participate in democracy. It's 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.720 a pr campaign. You're doing a great job, by the way, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.439 but I want you to do better. I want you 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.600 to do better. I want you to beat Sleepy Joe 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.159 as y'all call him, beat Sleepy Joe's comments. Guys, come on, 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.240 let's get twenty five thousand. You only need about five 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:02.880 thousand more. Get busy. Bring in Sonny Johnson, who from 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.280 my understanding, you guys have been avoiding talking to her. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.679 So what I do is I like to use my 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.040 platform since I'm getting you all upset. This is what 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.159 I've done for years, by the way, I like to 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.080 use my platform to shine a light on others, something 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.399 that your God doesn't do ever. So let me pass 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.960 the mic on over the sunny so she can say 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.120 whatever it is she wants to say. And I'll keep 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.640 doing this every day all day. We're all going to rise. 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.560 Let's make sure that we can capitalize off this moment. Guys, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.040 you are big mad. I want to help you get 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:35.920 a little bit madder. And then I want to turn 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:37.840 it over to other conservatives that has some things that 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:39.720 they want to get off their chests so that we 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:54.880 can use this time wisely. Good morning, Sonny. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:56.840 You're in be small right now. 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.440 I want to what I like to say upfront is 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.879 for the people who who do not understand why these 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:10.120 conversations keep getting repeated, it's because we are giving very 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:14.680 few opportunities where we are allowed to teach without having 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.200 to with prime. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.400 Examples that are current, right, and in this example, we. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.960 Are giving the ability to be able to say, look, 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.560 these are this is how these people operate. And I 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.080 say this to black conservatives, especially the ones that are 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.960 young and coming in, to really make them understand this. Right, 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.600 So when you say this shit, that give them on 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.840 white Republicans a tingle up their leg, and then all 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:44.439 of a sudden, your Twitter followers start the skyrocket, and 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.480 then you get you know what I'm saying, You start 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.400 feeling a little uppity about yourself. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.920 All of that is pre planned and predetermined. 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.760 They do that on a regular basis, just to make 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.040 sure that they can have more black faces saying the 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.320 stupid shit that they want to hear, and then they 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.320 can use you as an example as to why it's 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.600 okay for them to follow along with the dumb shit 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.239 you say so. That's why if you notice most the 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.840 majority of all of those counts that grow from like 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:17.560 zero to twenty five thirty thousand, they all grow extremely 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.760 fast because they get in there with them. Put your 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.160 hands up if you want to say anti black shit, 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:25.720 and we'll. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.439 Help you out like those type of people. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.200 That's the way that these black faces, especially on the right, 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.080 have been able to grow their accounts and magnify their 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.920 own voices even when they offer nothing to the conversation 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:42.280 at all, point blank. So, when we have the ability 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:45.919 in real time to get you to see the things 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.639 that are happening, instead of complaining about us taking the 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.600 opportunity to make sure you see these things, a lot 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.240 of you need to be making sure you take this 0:22:55.359 --> 0:23:00.479 opportunity to put these tactical plays in your mind and 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.880 making sure you're able to spot them every single time 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:04.600 they happen. 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.600 Because one way that will really free up. 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.480 Our time from having to continuously go over the exact 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.840 same lessons over and over again would be for you 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.600 to catch them the first time. And we are dealing 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.680 with a conservative base that does not that has short 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.920 term memory, right, so they can have something fucked up 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.680 happen and they'll forget about it one news story later. 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.760 So when we are trying and trying and trying to 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.359 teach something about this process, we should not be getting 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.520 so much blowback just for exposing what is there. We 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.520 didn't make the fucking rules, right, We didn't create this, 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:44.120 we didn't design this shit. 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.920 We only know that we got to operate within it. 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.439 So when we're showing you the rules and how the 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.920 game is played, it'd be nice to have a lot 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:53.840 less bitching and a lot more learning. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.800 I heard that now just for those because I am 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.520 up to upload this on the podcast and I want 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.639 to make sure that people hear it, just so folks 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.520 to know. For those who are saying, oh, yeah, she 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.120 definitely talking about me, she wouldn't do that to a Democrat. 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.120 Actually I am. I go really hard. 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.919 And I've been knowing Sonny since probably about two thousand 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:19.159 and nine, and so this has always been my style 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.880 of interviewing. It's always been my style to call things out. 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.680 I've always taken heat from Democrats and conservatives when I 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.440 hurt their feelings as well, and so Sonny has always 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.760 been a conservative. I know plenty of conservatives guys, So 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.159 it has nothing to do with, Oh, you don't like conservatives. 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.159 I sat on a talk radio program in Orlando for 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.639 years with he doesn't like to call himself conservative, but 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.840 he leans to the right as well. So there's never 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.480 been a problem with conservatives. What the problem is though, 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.280 I called out this grifting campaign, and if you are 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:52.400 a true conservative, like Sonny Johnson talks about all the time, 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.280 you should be supporting people that are actually true conservatives. 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.560 So I want to ask you, Sonny, what is it. 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:04.080 You also challenged mister Ramaswami to a debate as well. 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.480 Can you explain that and why conservatives don't want to 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.080 have conversations with you? 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:10.240 Oh? 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:14.080 I didn't. I didn't challenge him. He went out and 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.440 he was talking shit about black people. So as soon 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.040 as he started fixing his lips and start talking about us, 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:20.959 I thought that I needed to be talking about him 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:23.639 as well, you know what's good for the goose. So 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:27.159 when I started calling him out and checking him on 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:31.920 his bullshit, he came and said, oh, I'm open to debate, 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:39.080 I'm open to conversations. I'll have this conversation with you, Sonny. Okay, cool, 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:44.960 I'm down, let's go. So somebody got in his ear 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.960 from his campaign or in his network that told him 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.520 that that was a bad fucking idea and that and 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.800 that interview didn't come to pass. So I will say, 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.720 for one thing, he got a couple smart people around 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.719 him because they made sure of protect his ass from 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.480 what I I was going to do to them. And 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:06.119 but secondly, it shows you again that everything he runs on, 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.439 when it comes time to put the pedal to the 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.280 floor of the shit that he's saying, then you see 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.399 him act a different way. So he's all open for debate, 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.439 he's all open for these conversations, but he wants to 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:22.639 have these conversations with people as far on the left 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.359 as he possibly can because it's easy to have those 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.600 conversations because they won't they won't have nuance. Like you said, 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.280 you can shape, you can direct, you can make it 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.800 about race, you can make it about class, you can 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:36.520 you know what I'm saying. 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.680 You can decide how to shape that argument. 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:43.480 But when you are dealing with another conservative that is 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:49.280 going to question and nuanced your conservatism, that's when they 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.680 get smart and say, no, you don't want that. No 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.639 they don't, they don't want that conversation. And that's where 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.720 that's what the majority of all of them, where all 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:01.920 of them stand because if you, hey are real conservative, 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.520 and put them up against these people, these people will 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.800 be exposed for the frauds that they are. 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.760 And this is why they run from conversations. 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:11.760 With people like me. 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.000 And I would say people like in this room right now, 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.880 like Denise as well. Those people that know historical context 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:23.400 and no policy, that have a connection with the black community, 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.959 that understand our culture, that understand our faith, that is 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:32.440 not trying to run away from black people, right those 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.840 are the people they don't want to fuck with because 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.000 once you bee us, once we get to going it, 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:42.560 that everything they are, all their falsities, all their hypocrisy, 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.480 all of that shit will be shown for what it is. 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.320 And that is why they run from us. Absolutely. And 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:52.520 let me say this, I am very well aware. Let's 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.600 just go ahead and put it on the table. When 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.280 he came to the breakfast club, his expectation was not 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.600 to see me on the monitor. Just so you guys know, Joey, 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:02.560 what is joey with Joey? Why do you keep leaving? 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.399 You keep popping in and coming out and leaving. Surely 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:07.119 you're not being a snowflake, you had so much to 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.320 say on Twitter. Make stay in, buddy, pull yourself about 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:16.120 the bootstraps and and and listen to the conversation. They 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.480 weren't expecting to see me as well, because the show 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:23.720 is actually DJ MB and Charlemagne, so let's just be real. 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.520 His plan was, I'm just gonna go down to this 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.840 little hip hop, little black negro show and I'll just 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.360 you know, pop in and say, well, you know, it's 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.159 smell and smile and I'm in amazing little's broken down 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.040 play by play. I'll just come in and talk over 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.240 their heads and you know, talk a little bit about 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.120 how I want to change the country and how we. 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:43.800 Need to all your night and dah dah, dah dah. 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.760 It was supposed to be in talk down, talk to 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.920 and leave until I popped in and through a whole 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.120 through the game, all the way off because he had 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.000 no idea that I would be there, because they don't 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.360 market me as a part of that show, and certainly 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.240 not a part of that the interview. I'm really there 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.720 to do the front page news. So I threw it off, 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.160 and when he came in and said, oh, okay, hello, 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.080 it was all over space. It also was all over space. 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.560 How shook he was at the end of the interview. See, y'all, guys, 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.320 you didn't see that part. How upset he was at 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.920 the end of the interview, so he wasn't expecting me 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.640 to be there. He was coming in, like Sonny said, 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.240 to what he presumed was probably liberal or left even 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.120 though you guys got to make your mind up. One minute, 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.000 y'all say Charlemagne is a conservative, the next minute, y'all 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:30.280 say he's a Democrat. 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.080 I'm so confused. I need all of y'all to get 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:32.880 together and figure it out. 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.280 But the point is he wasn't expecting to get the 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:37.400 conversation that he had, and he damned show. 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.240 Let me just give you the game. Go. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:43.520 Look at his interviews on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, they 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.920 always asked, hey, people say you don't have experience, tell 0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:49.200 us why people should vote for you. His answer is 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:52.440 the same, Well, you know, we need somebody from the outside. 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.800 We need an outsider. We need somebody that's not a 0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:56.920 part of the process. We need somebody that's not a 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.120 part of the bubble. In fact, he said that to 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.800 Charlemagne and the beginning. If you go back and watch 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.280 the interview for those who say I overtalked, I didn't 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.800 say anything for about the least ten For ten to 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:08.000 fifteen minutes of the interview. 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.400 I came in towards the last. 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.200 It was just the most powerful of the pisch you 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.040 I guys off the most so. Actually, he talked for 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.440 a good minute before I said anything at all. It 0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.400 wasn't until Envy said, hey, Tesz, I'm sure she has 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.320 some questions. Come on in, and when I said something, 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.000 and I literally just asked one question and kept trying 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.719 to give it back, saying I'm gonna give it back 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.360 to Charlia Mane, I'm gonna give it back to charloat may. 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.760 He kept coming back to me, wanting the last word 0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:36.800 to like Lucas eloquently said, to reframe it, to reframe 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:43.040 the argument, to change the narrative, and to go on. 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.400 The problem is I wouldn't let him do it. That's 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.680 the real problem. You guys are upset because I wouldn't 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:51.400 let him do it. When we were talking about six 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.560 grades being facetious, saying hey, have you done anything at all? 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:55.760 I'm begging anything. 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:59.960 Chris Cross Apple Sauce Fire Drill Leader Lunch cafeteria lead. 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.400 There's something I was being just saying that you haven't 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:06.160 done anything for anybody other than self, And I'm not 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.120 impressed by people that do things herself. I had a 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.200 business as well or profit business. I had three hundred 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:16.160 employees as well. I know the difference between me volunteering 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:19.000 my time outside of that business or me even putting 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:23.120 that business up for criticism when I stood up for 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.440 the NBA lockout in twenty eleven. 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:27.080 I know the difference. 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.760 And he faked tests because it is the test that 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.640 he is requiring. Interesting, someday they keep forgetting that part 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.320 planning is saying that in order to participate in democracy, 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.600 you need to pass the Civics tests. Are participating in 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.840 the military be A first responder asked, was he able 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.360 to pass the test that he is free. It's so 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.440 interesting that they keep skipping. And you guys can call 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.400 me all the dumb and the aggressive and and all 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.080 that you want. The bottom line is your guy didn't 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.520 start participating until. 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.800 A few ago. That's just the bottom line. 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.360 And I noticed they conveniently go over there because you're 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.600 pissed that I exposed him to be the grifter he is. 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.120 It's just that, plain and simple. So I know you. 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.400 Keep cutting in, you keep cutting in and out. 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.720 Okay, I hope it didn't miss. I don't want to 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:17.320 repeat all. 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.320 But you and like we can, we can make it 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:23.280 out if you got common sense and you can put 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:24.120 shit together. 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.800 But it is cutting in and out. 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.960 Okay, Well let me is it better now? Yeah? Okay. 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.960 The bottom line is I won't even repeat all of that. 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.080 The bottom line is they were coming to a hip 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.320 hop show thinking that they were thinking that he was 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:41.040 going to be the smartest in the room. 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:42.800 And it's fine if he wants to be the smartest 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:43.200 in the room. 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.560 He was not expecting me to be there, expecting me 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.960 to ask about his voting record. Even in mainstream media, 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.120 they haven't asked that question. They've as they said, what, hey, 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.000 somebody like you that doesn't have experience, what do you 0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:57.239 you know? 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:58.840 What do you say to that? Well, you know, we 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.000 need somebody from the outside. 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.960 Okay, let me can I speak on that real quick 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:07.320 about his answer and the fact that you need an outsider. 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.640 This is to me one of the things that pisces 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:16.480 me off right because we learn a lesson on write 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.840 watching Trump when you have a problem when you have 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:22.080 a person that is an outsider that doesn't have any 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.440 connections to the actual Republican Party. 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.440 So when you hear him talk, he never. 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:32.239 Ever ever can tell you what his interactions with the 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:37.000 Republican Party will be. As president, you actually have to 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.680 work with the with the political party, and his criticism 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.480 is that the political party will not. 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:45.160 Let him in. 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.959 So we are somehow supposed to believe giving him the 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.320 presidency with a political party that does not accept his 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:55.400 ass that will not let him be become a part 0:33:55.480 --> 0:34:00.320 of the process, that treats him as an outsider want 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:05.200 to somehow magically make the political wills turn the way 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.640 that they are supposed to turn. 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:11.799 So even in his assessment of that we're in the hell. 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.759 It's his analysis of what is currently happening inside the 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.960 Republican Party and how we plans to deal in with 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.319 the dysfunction, separation, and detachment that the Republican Party is 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:28.120 now facing. So with this, with this acknowledgement that you 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.960 don't have any experience and how the fucking machine works, 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.879 it doesn't give much credence to those who are looking 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.120 at the machine, seeing all of its faulty, seeing how 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:41.280 it is broken, and realizing you don't have a fucking 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.359 plan in place to fix any of it, right, And 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.960 this kind of goes back to that meritocracy, because that's 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.480 what the fuck they keep talking about, that it is 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:50.520 a meritocracy. 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.880 That's how we operate in a meritocracy. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:54.520 Right now, the RNC. 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.720 Doesn't have one single black fucking employee in the whole 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:58.640 goddamn building. 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.600 So you're trying to tell me that all of these 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:02.960 black faces. 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:06.120 You're running around talking about how equal they are, because 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.280 that's what y'all believe, not one of them is actually 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.080 qualified to be in your ranks. Not one of them 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.360 is actually qualified to be in the political party that 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:21.719 you say is so meritocracy slated, that same meritocracy that 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:26.120 won't let your ass in. But for some reason, you 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:30.520 never have to answer the question about how the Republican 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:36.479 Party treats you, specifically when it comes to you being 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.920 a candidate. So he, like I said, he doesn't even 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:45.400 have a single attachment towards the Republican machine. No respect, 0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:51.719 no honor, no connections, no relationships, no trust, no anything. 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.839 And if we have not learned our fucking lesson being 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.719 people on the right wing about having that total detachment. 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.600 Than like that, We're gonna repeat some very very hard 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.160 lessons over and over again, because that is not a 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.400 recipe that actually works if you are trying to activate 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:12.360 a political party. 0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.120 And this is a great thing you say, you said, 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:20.440 Denise's friend, because she's requested to speak, She's completely and 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.200 guess what, Let's ride this wave. If they want to 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.120 sit up and talk about me every day, we every day, 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.600 I'll bring in nothing but conservatives. I'll repost it on 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.560 my podcast, I'll put it on my Instagram. I'll make 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.759 let's let's let them hear from you. Since they don't 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.719 want to talk to you, let's go ahead and let's 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.319 play the game that they're playing. You want to have 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.040 the Conversation's cool, I'll pass the mike to the conservatives. 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:42.400 And I just want to finish on that point. And 0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.080 I'm gonna bring Denise up. I even brought that up 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.120 in the interview. I said, have you ever did anything 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:50.200 within the Republican leadership and the Republican Party at all? 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.600 And he totally ignored that as well. 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.040 Notice they're not bringing that up because it's so much 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:56.920 easier to just bring up how aggressive I was. And 0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.239 I ruled I would. I didn't know conservatives were, so 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.000 I thought they or snowflakes sonny. 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:05.799 I thought, oh, they need coloring books and safe spaces. 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:06.600 Okay. 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.040 See, I was so confused because the message has always 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.919 been you guys like tough talk. All Fox News does 0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.719 is talk over people and interrupt people and get their 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:16.360 point out. I didn't know, And I thought I was 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.239 being kind of nice, because you know, girl, I can 0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:19.080 get really ugly. 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:20.799 I thought I was being kind of nice. 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.200 You was nicer than him, and you being you was 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:25.640 nice to me. 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:30.000 When I come on your podcast, I gotta deal with 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:30.840 Trump questions. 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.040 When I come on your podcast, you bring. 0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.880 Him, that's right. So I thought I was doing quite well. 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.279 And I want to save this point guys for those 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.000 who again because a lot of the people of the 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.400 comments you're not Breakfast Club listeners, so you have no 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.640 clue of how it actually works. It's an actual radio show, 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.560 so we only get like thirty minutes because a lot 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:52.480 of that was cut out on the actual radio. 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:54.959 It's not a YouTube show. It's an actual radio show. 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.319 And so and the time that we have to go. 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.480 With interview, because it about thirty minutes, it ended up 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.000 being forty two minutes on YouTube. A lot of that 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.640 we had to cut cut out. So even so folks 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.520 are saying, oh, I wish you would have said this, 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:11.120 and I wish you would have said that, and I 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.440 wish you would have asked more about this, and like 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.120 Sonny's talking about getting to the nuances, we don't have 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.600 time for that when I do podcasts, like I've had 0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.000 Sonny on my show several times, and we talked about 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:25.399 conservative issues, line by line, nuances by now, we can 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.760 sit there for an hour straight, you know, uninterrupted. 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:28.880 Two hours straight. 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.080 I've sat here talked through this on Twitter space for 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:35.200 sometimes four hours at a time, twelve hours at a time. 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.600 I think my record on the Twitter space was literally 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.120 twelve hours. So I have no problem like going through 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.719 all of the nuances, all of the minutis, all of 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.960 the bullshit, like we can go through it line by 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.760 line by line by line. I was on a radio show. 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.680 That does not happen. Because you sit on YouTube doesn't 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.600 mean it's a YouTube show. We just didn't have the time. 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:56.880 So I appreciate everybody said, oh, man, I wish you 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:58.040 had said this, and wish you said that. 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:00.920 There was just no time. I really only have maybe. 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.200 Two questions I can get in at best because there's 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.680 two other people interviewing as well. That's why I was 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:09.680 quiet halfway through. It's my particular question on this visions. 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:10.240 One statement. 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:14.120 My one particular question stung so bad because I didn't 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:15.839 get into like Sunny just brought up a good point 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.000 about how he has no connections in the Republican Party. 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.520 I wouldn't have had time to do that. My point was, 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.839 bottom line is you just started voting a. 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:24.399 Few years ago. 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:26.800 You're asking people to serve in the military. You have 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.480 nothing not done either, nor have you done anything besides 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.839 anything that I profit and benefit yourself. 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:35.319 I tried to let it go. 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.440 He kept coming back, trying to explain and reframe it, 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.279 and I wasn't going for the bullshit. I could have said, well, 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.120 you know what you got that you're right and let 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.680 him go on, but that's just not my style. So 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:49.759 that is what you're seeing, guys. That's why they're pissed off. 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.359 They didn't like it because he wasn't able to sit 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.840 there and run his pr campaign of the bullshit. 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.839 I wanted to say, quick, why they let me tell 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:06.319 you why I. 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:10.319 Can serve it as hate, not even necessarily what you 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:15.920 did to vvet Breakfast Club as a whole, right, because, 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:21.320 like you pointed out, some of the most relevant sound 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:26.120 clips as far as the Biden administration and Black America 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.239 have come from Breakfast Club have come from Charlemagne. 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:30.680 Right. 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:35.640 So every single time Charlemagne catches one of these Democrats, 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.719 whether it's Hillary Clinton having a hot sauce moment which 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.640 they still talking about, like, every single time he catches 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:47.400 them in one of these moments, it becomes a right 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.759 wing kind of clip. 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.000 A viral clip on the right wing. 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:53.960 Look what Charlemagne, you know what I'm saying. 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.880 And that's the only time that they give Charlemagne any 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:02.040 flowers whatsoever, because they hate black culture. 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:03.800 So the last. 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:07.879 Thing that they would want is somebody likes Charlemagne who 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:12.319 is from the culture to be able to have more 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:17.239 move and sway on the political conversation than they do. 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:19.600 So for all of these people of color, and I'm 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:23.239 talking about especially these black faces, whenever they talk about 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:27.640 the color, I mean about the culture, you can see 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:33.000 their venom start to seep out because they cannot they 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:37.600 cannot understand while we as black people would hold more 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:41.439 value in a Charlemagne than we would hold in their 0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:45.880 black faces. Right to them, we shouldn't choose Charlemagne, we 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.680 should be choosing them. And the fact we consistently the 0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:54.239 fact that we consistently choose Charlemagne, we consistently choose dj 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:58.759 envy like we consistently choose them over these black faces, 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.800 that pisces them off. 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.960 And what they would let me say, what they want 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:07.839 to do, more than what they want to do, more 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.520 than anything, is they want to make sure with their 0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:12.880 behavior that. 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:14.359 They separate. 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:19.719 Breakfast club from any of our people on the right right. 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.279 So if they are vitriolic, if they are nasty, if 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:28.359 they are disrespectful, if they are downright bigger than hateful monsters, 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:33.360 then that will make breakfast clubs stay away from us, 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.000 you know what I'm saying. And that's what they're trying 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.680 to do. They want to make sure that their behavior 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.879 causes the kind of riff that no matter how much 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:49.200 we do, no matter how much we build bridges, build fences, 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:54.680 build conversations, that their ugliness, that their divisiveness, that their 0:42:55.000 --> 0:43:00.120 nastiness will always make sure we never have real conversation. 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.759 And that is their main goal. Absolutely and too bad. 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:07.919 So sad, guys, because again, I've known Sonny for over 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.920 a decade, so I know real conservatives. Shout out to 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.600 Dane in the building. I see you, who also works 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:17.680 with judsejoh Brown. I think he's one of no doubt 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:20.280 about his conservative views. I've been on his show several 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:24.400 times and we've had great conversations. So it's so unfortunate 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.000 because actually, guys, I actually really do know conservatives, Black 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.480 conservatives for real, and I know. And so you're not 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.520 going to close the door because I'm here to open it. 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.920 So just so you guys know, we see the play. 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.000 We know the play, and I want to speak. I 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:38.960 want to save this to the Democrats and the liberals. 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.920 You know, it's so just like Sonny mentioned when Charlomagne 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.600 says something against Democrats. Oh man, they love they It's 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:47.680 usually them to make the videos too. You know, Hey, 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:50.080 look at him, he's over there chucking the job for 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.080 the conservatives. Look at him. He's just a Republican. He's 0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.000 just a trumpert. He's just he's just that. I can't 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:55.920 stay in the breakfast club. They always giving a Republican 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:59.200 to that. Now they just saw me a viscerrate vibe. 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.400 I noticed their retweeting it. They're not talking about it. 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.680 You know why, Sonny, because they have to be able 0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.600 to say, they have to keep their narrative alive to 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.279 say they never do this to conservatives, they never do 0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:12.040 this to Republicans do this. 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.640 So they're sitting back watching all of this, knowing. 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:16.759 That they could say, you know what, I think one 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:18.040 girl did he yes to say, you know what, I 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.759 don't really rock at the breakfast club. But they got 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.640 this one right. See, they can't play into that too, 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.600 because this is a team sport. It's not a lot 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:27.239 of real ones like us to say, hey, I deal 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.120 with the real, no matter if you're a conservative, a 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.200 Democrat or liberal or whatever. I did with the real. See, 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.480 it hurts their narrative too, because they have to be 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:35.640 able the next time when I get into a Democrat 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:39.319 like I did, Mary Anne Williamson or Justin Pearson, they 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.479 have to be able to say, oh, yeah, she only 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.600 does this Democrats, like they're saying, now, oh she only 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.560 does this to Indian Americans. They have to find See, 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.480 this is all about, guys, we're giving you the game. 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:52.200 This is all about whenever you go against their team. 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.680 It's all about pal on. Just conservatives, i would say, 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:58.480 are just better at it than Democrats. They really pal 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.920 on because meanwhile democrat kind of go on to the 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:03.000 next thing, go on to the liberal, or they play 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.919 the you know, I'm above it role, like Joyce said, 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:07.600 you know I'm above it. He can't come on my show. 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.279 I'm above it. I'm not gonna engage. So they do that, 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.040 which they and she has the right to do that. 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:15.160 She says, he doesn't even deserve to have a conversation. 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.920 I'm always down to the conversation. I'm down with getting 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.120 beat up or what y'allever y'all think, because really you're 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:22.759 just typing. And for those people asking what I did 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:24.360 in the military, I was an M sixty gun. I 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.520 was a security police officer. So that that type of talk, 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.760 that that typing your ass off, it doesn't put fear 0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.200 in me at all. I've taken death threats, I've done 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:36.680 it all. So at the end of the day, guys, 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.040 you're you're showing your slip. Let's give it over to 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:41.839 Denise because I know she had some things to say. 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:43.839 And anybody else, Sonny that you think needs to come 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:45.680 up and talk because I want to put this on 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:49.080 a podcast, and I'm really gonna push to make sure 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:50.520 that we get your voice. Well, I've been doing it 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.600 for over a decade with you, But if we need 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:54.920 to keep having this conversation, if they want to keep 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:57.200 using me as the person that you know to have, 0:45:57.360 --> 0:45:59.319 you know, to say, oh, let's beat her up, let's 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.680 make them listen to some black conservice and make sure 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.320 your voice is bumped up as well. So if anybody else, Sonny, 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:06.919 I don't know, because I know a lot of people 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.200 just get on the troll. So there's anybody else, let 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:11.279 me add you as co host, does anybody else you 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:12.960 want to just give the mic to feel free and 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.600 I'll do Denisa, You're up next, and I know you 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.959 have another space you have to do as well. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:23.080 Hey, thank you Teslin, and thank you Sonny. Teslin a 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.600 beautiful job. Thank you for not falling for the charm 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:34.319 offensive that Vivic has been on. So there's another part 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:36.279 of this, and I hope I don't get kicked out 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.120 of the space for saying this, but we have to 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.800 realize that part of Vivic's pr in addition to him 0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:45.400 selling the book, as you'd commented, is he is trying 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:51.720 to normalize Asian advocacy to as they are championing change 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:55.799 the face of America to the point where they're they're 0:46:55.840 --> 0:47:00.279 piling on and ganging on with the folks who want 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:04.160 to erase the negro legacy in this country and frame 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:08.919 it as some kind of victimhood, perpetual victim blaming and 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:15.919 the like. So with this whole merit fairness and equality thing, 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:20.680 the MFE idea, he and all these other conservatives including 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:25.920 RUFO and the like are trying to normalize his message 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.759 and send the message that brown folks can come to 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:32.960 America and excel, and those who are here who aren't excelling, 0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:36.560 it's all because you haven't put in the work to 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:41.440 make it. So systems be damned and the historical impact 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:45.239 be damned. And Teslin, you and I actually recorded an 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:52.840 interview about Kiitanji Brown Jackson's appointment probably whenever that happened 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.239 for Revolt TV quite some time ago. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:55.920 So that was my. 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.520 Yeah, that was great, and it was to see you 0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:04.640 work and you're very powerful at what you do. So yeah, 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.400 and you know, I had a space about masculine women, 0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.160 so what now what? And I put it in air 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:13.600 quotes because I don't buy the idea I black women 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.200 haven't been able to rest on our laurels and be 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.040 all super like, come take care of me and save me. 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:21.560 We've had shit to do and when stuff Sorry, I 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.200 don't mean to cuss in your space, we had. 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.160 Nothing to do. I'm normally much worse. 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.279 Okay, thanks, you know, we had stuff to do, and 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.560 when stuff needed to get done, we didn't look around 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:31.640 to see who was gonna do it. 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:32.319 We just did it. 0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:34.120 That's kind of part of our legacy. That's kind of 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:38.200 how we move. So the whole idea about the masculine 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.080 and being rude and all of that, he deserves a 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.440 little bit of rudeness. I'm sorry, but the idea that 0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:47.640 you would applaud yourself for getting a black man at 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:49.960 fire while he was talking to you about your history, 0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.600 I think was really disgusting to me, even though I 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:54.600 hear what you're talking about with the background with Don 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.839 already being on his way, but just to even put 0:48:56.880 --> 0:49:00.319 that out there as an accolade on your resume was 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:03.640 really problematic. So here's my question to you, though, And so, 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.960 as a political strategist and someone who is obviously very 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:11.640 experienced with message discipline when it comes to politics. You 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:14.919 talked about the game, which is how they send out 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:18.360 the text. They send out the email, they follow certain 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:23.200 Twitter pages, Facebook, the whole thing, and they rally to 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.440 support the message that's going to advance the public narrative, 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:30.520 that will set the emotional tone and therefore the political 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:35.120 will for the actions they want to see. I wonder 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.919 what you say to black folks about how we need 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.719 to move when it comes to that, because I do 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:46.040 hear people being selectively outraged about who they support. If 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.080 the messenger ain't one hundred percent what you want to 0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:52.000 see about one hundred percent of the topics, then you 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:55.080 don't support it. So what are your thoughts about what 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.520 I'm going to call political maturity and message discipline and 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:03.719 political strategy from the Black American Negro freedman right perspective 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:09.680 to cultivate the emotional, intellectual, and political will to get 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.200 our agenda normalized in the public narrative. I know that's 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.560 a lot of words, and I hope what I'm saying 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:18.000 is makes sense because I know you I'm. 0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:19.640 Ming and Mason, no, no, no, you're not. 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:21.759 And again this is why I love Twitter spaces because 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.360 we can flush this all out and we don't have 0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.160 to be cut off by commercial And I know exactly 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:30.080 what you're saying. And for those that don't know, just 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.880 giving you because apparently nobody looked at my background. So 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.919 I was the racial justice director for Bernie Sanders and 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:39.640 he also ran obviously a populist campaign in twenty fifteen. 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.080 Just giving you conservatives to keep trying to run you know, 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.640 I guess think you know about me. Give you some background. 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.759 And this was in twenty fifteen when nobody knew who 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:50.719 Bernie Sanders was. I was the only black person on 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:55.200 the ground in Michigan from the national level and was 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.279 credited for having a huge impact on why we were 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.279 able to win that state and be Hillary Clinton a 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.520 historic when because I was the one that and I 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.000 got to give this just bear with me, because I 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.440 want you to know who they're actually talking to, that 0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:10.640 I'm not just an interviewer. I actually work on the ground. 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:14.600 I was the one, the only one that connected Bernie 0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:16.919 Sanders to the black people. That's why Sonny's talking about 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.320 how it's important to work with black people that actually 0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.680 know black people. So Bernie Sanders didn't know five black 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.120 people probably in life. And so I was the only 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:28.880 one literally that connected him to Danielle Green and people 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:31.839 in the Flint community. So while Hillary Clinton was coming 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.640 in and just you know, shaking hands and kissing babies 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.000 and lead and leaving, I was building relationships on the ground. 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:40.279 And I'm saying this because it's going to tie into 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.960 your answer to me. And so when Bernie Sanders came 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.160 in and hugged Danielle Green, this is how I know 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:46.040 how pr works. 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.520 Hugged Danielle Green. They took that picture. They took that photo. 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.160 He talked about it in every camp, every speech after that. 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.319 They made campaign videos after that because it was the 0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:00.440 first time that you saw Bernie Sanders be assault empathy 0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.839 on his face. As you guys know, he is one 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:06.600 that doesn't show emotion. So that one photo of him 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.920 hugging Danielle they took that and they ran with that, 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:12.359 and it made a huge influence of why we were 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.919 able to beat with a state that Detroit had all 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.160 of you know, Hillary Clinton had Detroit sold up. I 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.200 went to Flint and then all of the white folks 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:24.000 on campaign went on the outskirts to the labor organizers 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:25.799 and so That's how we were able to beat in 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.000 two percent. I did that, by the way, while my 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.160 mother was also every other weekend, I was going home 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.520 because she also had cancer, and I was going home 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.879 to my five or six year old child at the time. 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.080 So this is why I challenged politicians and talk about 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:40.600 what they have time to do and what they don't 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:41.400 have the time to do. 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.280 You don't want me going down eats. 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:46.080 But anyway, neither here nor there, we won that state 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:50.960 and now Danielle Green. Fast forward, after everybody left the 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.160 Bernie Sanders, the Hillary Clinton or whatever, they didn't know 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:56.719 they'd keep their relationship with daniel Green. They didn't know 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.880 that eventually she would run for state up for school board. 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:03.440 They didn't realize that the one person that supported Bernie 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.360 Sanders at the time is now literally the Flint mayor. 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:08.480 He was a house rep at that time. Because they 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.800 lost those relationships. So if Bernie Sanders had to run today, 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:14.440 he wouldn't know anybody in Flint because he hasn't kept 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:17.840 those relationships. So when you say, well, what do we do, Tesla, 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:19.880 I never try to focus on one hundred percent of 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.879 the black community. They are not trying to focus one 0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:23.680 hundred percent of the Indian community, a hundred percent of 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:25.360 the White community, one hundred percent of the Asian community, 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.799 one hundred percent of the Spanic community. They simply do 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.920 what I tell people all the time. Get your coalition, 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:33.800 get your people. It could be ten, it could be fifteen, 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:37.360 it could be twenty, and you organized stop waiting on 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:40.480 one hundred percent of the culture so say and begging 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.880 and pleading and getting them to get on board, because 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:46.760 that's not going When you talk about fifteen thousand comments, 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:48.319 I'm looking at a lot of these people who have 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:52.400 created new accounts, who have made multiple a discipline to 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:56.000 go in ten times, fifteen times, twenty times. It's what 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.359 I credit the Reparations movement for what they've been able 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.880 to do on Twitter. It's not a lot a lot of people, guys. 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:02.840 When you look at the people in the Twitter spaces 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.120 that are having these conversations about reparations, you see the 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:08.560 same people over and over and over and over. When 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.960 you look at when I first started and saw the 0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:13.640 conversation about reparations, that I would look at people who 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.840 were starting those conversations and I see thirty thousand followers, 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.040 fifty thousand followers, maybe one hundred thousand followers, but the 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:24.160 conversation seems so big because it was a dedicated group 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:26.919 of people that just plowed over and over and over 0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:31.799 and over. The criticism that I would say with that, 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:34.480 I won't even say that movement. With some movements, they 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:37.560 don't share the space with other people to make it grow. 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.719 So I've been doing Sonny, like I said, since two 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.600 thousand and nine. There has never been an opportunity. I 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.880 don't want to say never because it's absolute. But anytime 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:47.920 I've seen her in my space and she wants to 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:50.239 speak and she raises her hand or even times what 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.160 I say, Sonny, can you tap in? 0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:53.640 I always lend the mic. 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.759 When I got my podcast on iHeartRadio twenty twenty, she 0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.879 was one of the first people I brought on. She's 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.040 the same to me with serious We have always lended 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.759 our space to each other. So it's not a matter 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:07.840 of getting them on board. It's a matter of getting 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.120 us on board, the ten or fifteen or twenty or 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:12.879 so of us that know how to push the line. 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:15.240 You mentioned revolt and how you came on a revolt. 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:17.200 I got to show we're gonna we're gonna do about 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:21.759 ten episodes on Revolt in July. Instead of having one 0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:23.560 co host, I said, let's get four or five. I 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:25.640 want to hear different voices people that I have followed 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.040 or that I know throughout the years, that even I 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.879 don't may not agree with everything they say. It could 0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:33.560 have just been just me and my show. I'm already 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.680 a commentator on Revolt, but I said, no, let's get 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.680 this person. That person. Let me lend the space to 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.920 them as well. So it's just a matter of connecting 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:46.239 with folks like me and folks like Sunny and keep 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.040 pushing the line because they're not gonna do it. 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:48.760 That's what I'm saying. 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:52.360 Democrats, it seems that it seems that Don Lemon himself 0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:55.040 will want to retweet what I did. It seems that 0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.480 people that support Don will want to retweet what I did, 0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.000 but they can't. You know why, they can't denise because 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.279 then it would be them feeling like they're crediting the 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.000 breakfast club, and they have to stay mad at the 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.560 breakfast club. It would be then crediting me because they 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.400 have to make sure that they are the toughest in 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:12.879 the room at all times, and surely they don't want 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.400 to do that, so they don't want to make a 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:16.880 scene like but guess what I did. I share Joy's 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.880 comment on my Instagram. She hasn't shared mine. She follows me. 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:22.359 She saw it. They saw it, and I'm not mad 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.120 at Joy. It's just how I move. 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.440 I shared her commentary on my Instagram. I shared it 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.640 on my Twitter. None of them have shared mind, none 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.960 of them. And it's not that they don't see it. 0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:35.840 It's just they can't go against the narrative that the 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:39.920 breakfast club is trade. So when you are truly independent 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:42.799 like myself, and willing to have conversations for real and 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.719 real life and real life for people, not just for 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:49.799 pr I go against everything that both sides stand for 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:53.720 when it comes to, you know, playing the team sport 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:58.719 if you will. I have gotten beat up for you know, 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.040 whether it's Bernie Sanders I'm not a socialist, whether it's 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:02.760 working with Crumb. 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:04.560 Oh yes, he's working with Crumb. He's a grifter. 0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:06.359 Well, I do his policy, and I'm proud to say 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.120 that I worked on fifty pieces of legislation for police reform. 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.480 I've gotten beat up in this Twitter space for attending 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:13.760 Tariq's rally. 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.760 Oh you're over there with Tarik. You're a drifter. I've 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.880 gotten beat up for talking to Sunny. Oh you're over 0:57:18.880 --> 0:57:20.600 there with the concerned. He must be concerned. I've gotten 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:22.360 beat up for talking to Charlotte Manne. Oh yeah, he 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:23.040 just this and that. 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.320 It hasn't I've always taken a hit for everybody and 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.640 everything that I've done. So you just have to find 0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:31.240 more people like that and just connect. Fuck fuck the 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:33.880 rest of them. We're here having this conversation now, if 0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.200 they want to use my name. Amazing Lucas when he 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.000 did that video, I've never met that man before in 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.160 my life. I don't know anything about him. I just 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:41.960 saw the video and said, you know what, I'm going 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.280 to amplify this. And I didn't just retweet it. I 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.960 called in his show and said, hey, I Tesling, I 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.120 want to thank He was talking about me literally on 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.400 the show. He doesn't know me, but I said, you 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.760 know what I want to I appreciate what you did. 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:56.840 I appreciate what you did. 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:57.080 Brother. 0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:59.720 Let me call in and not no, no, not only that, Denise, 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.480 let me send one hundred dollars to the super check. 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:04.960 Let me put my money where to Matthews. So this 0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.880 is why guys, I don't when you look at multimillionaires 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.400 shout out to Vivian for doing the scholarship shout I'm 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.400 glad I inspired you because I'm not impressed whether it's 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:18.880 him or Mary Anne Williamson who are multi multimillionaires. I'm 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:22.000 gonna always challenge him to do more and do better 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:26.200 and put service over self. My girlfriend did a speech 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.760 at her dad's funeral on Saturday and elected about service 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.800 over self. I'm service over self. So I'm not impressed 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.840 about what you do for profit. I'm impressed on what 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.600 you do for everybody else. And guess what, still didn't 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:40.640 vote in the last two or three years and you're 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.080 still running a pr campaign. But I'm glad that you're 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:45.520 using it for some good use to benefit somebody else. 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:46.560 I'll give you that. 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.960 Credit, but just know that you're moving according to the 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:50.560 pressure that I put on you. 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:51.800 Baby. That's it. 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:53.120 It is what it is, and that's how I know 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:55.640 that my job is done. 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