Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go from your question.
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it real straight. Sh eye will no chase.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a little bit rough.
Speaker 1: I'm here for those who really believe in the American process,
Speaker 1: all of us Street shot no chase with your girl
Speaker 1: Tess to figure out on the black effect podcasting at
Speaker 1: word at work.
Speaker 3: So as you guys may know, I have some folks
Speaker 3: really upset with me. Oh man, I've been called everything
Speaker 3: but a child of God, and I thought I would
Speaker 3: give you guys some background on exactly what it is
Speaker 3: that you're that you're witnessing. One thing is it is
Speaker 3: hilarious to me that I guess mister Ramaswami's supporters are
Speaker 3: not actually realizing how their comments. Some folks say that,
Speaker 3: you know, there's been a text allegedly, let me say
Speaker 3: allegedly that a text has been sent out to a
Speaker 3: lot of his supporters to flood the comments section. Some
Speaker 3: folks also say that you guys do know that you
Speaker 3: can pay to get positive comments made a million services
Speaker 3: out there, but you know allegedly because I actually know
Speaker 3: conservatives believe it or not, and allegedly there's been a
Speaker 3: organizing effort to flood the comments. Now, the reason why
Speaker 3: I want to let you guys know why this is
Speaker 3: probably very likely that this has happened. It's probably exactly
Speaker 3: the truth is because for those of you that don't know,
Speaker 3: we watch the numbers on our page. We know who
Speaker 3: the listeners are, we know how they respond, we know
Speaker 3: how they engage.
Speaker 2: For those that don't know, if you put up a
Speaker 2: video on YouTube.
Speaker 3: And you get anywhere from maybe one to three percent,
Speaker 3: it's not even YouTube, it's just social media period. If
Speaker 3: you get one to three percent of engagement, you're doing
Speaker 3: really well. So if I have a video with one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, so let's look at let's look at the
Speaker 3: and I'm just giving you guys to just just some
Speaker 3: games so you can tell what's authentic and what's not.
Speaker 3: When there's an organizing campaign, which I think is great.
Speaker 3: I hope they can organize maybe to get their guy
Speaker 3: up in the polls, because right now he's not even close.
Speaker 3: But I just want to give you guys some game.
Speaker 3: So the video of the interview is one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty two thousand views, it's not really a lot of
Speaker 3: views when we look at you know, other videos that
Speaker 3: do well. And I also want to make sure we
Speaker 3: understand this. The Reckless Club is a four hour radio show.
Speaker 3: It's on the radio. For those that don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: really putting this out there for the conservatives who don't
Speaker 3: watch the show or listen to the show, and you know,
Speaker 3: really think they're doing a big thing under the comments
Speaker 3: and saying oh, yes, you should be let go as
Speaker 3: a listener. I don't like this. You're not our listeners, guys,
Speaker 3: And this is how we know. I'm just giving you
Speaker 3: the game because mister Ramaswami, if allegedly, if it is
Speaker 3: your campaign that have asked people to do this, they're
Speaker 3: doing way too much and we can tell. But I
Speaker 3: want to use it to my advantage to help you organize.
Speaker 3: And I really am proud to have the most engaged
Speaker 3: not only comment section for the week. It looks like
Speaker 3: we're going to beat all political interviews. So let me
Speaker 3: show you. And that's actually a plus to me, guys.
Speaker 3: In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, you're
Speaker 3: so smart. But in case you haven't figured it out,
Speaker 3: so just to give you guys some social media game
Speaker 3: on how this work and how campaigns work, is you know,
Speaker 3: the key is to make sure that the message is
Speaker 3: reiterated in the comments section, over and over and over
Speaker 3: and over. And one thing I'll tell you about conservatives.
Speaker 3: They do this really well, and the reason why they
Speaker 3: have to do this the way that they do. First
Speaker 3: of all, conservatives stay on message. They'll beat that message
Speaker 3: in your head over and over and over and over
Speaker 3: and over and over and over until the point that
Speaker 3: you to really make you believe, well, maybe there's some
Speaker 3: truth to it. For example, over and over and over.
Speaker 3: They stole the election. They stole the election. They stole
Speaker 3: the election to the point that folks believed it enough
Speaker 3: to go storm the capitol. It's a witch hunt. It's
Speaker 3: a witch hunt. It's a witch hunt. Conservatives do an
Speaker 3: amazing job, which I think Democrats and liberals could stand
Speaker 3: to do better of messaging over and over and over.
Speaker 3: They pow on over and over and over, kind of
Speaker 3: like how they powed on everybody when they storm the Capitol.
Speaker 3: So and they do that because the majority of people
Speaker 3: in America are either moderate or liberal, so it's not
Speaker 3: a lot of conservatives as you would think.
Speaker 2: But they make.
Speaker 3: The message appear louder, They make it appear as if
Speaker 3: there's more of them than it is moderates or liberals,
Speaker 3: are far left or whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 3: because they have to be louder and they have to
Speaker 3: be stronger, because it is literally from a number standpoint,
Speaker 3: it's not enough conservatives. So the key is go in
Speaker 3: where you can appear louder, and social media is a
Speaker 3: great tool to do that. So the goal is I
Speaker 3: have to make my message as loud as possible and
Speaker 3: do the most on social media because that's the only
Speaker 3: way to get the message out, and conservatives again do
Speaker 3: it well. This is how you know that these are
Speaker 3: not our listeners. This is how you know that allegedly
Speaker 3: I heard a text was sent out in the conservative
Speaker 3: database Conservative you know groups to say pale them too.
Speaker 2: The comments. This is how they're telling on themselves.
Speaker 3: We have one hundred and fifty two thousand views on
Speaker 3: my interview this morning. Lack actually was fifteen last night,
Speaker 3: it was fifteen, fifteen five ninety four. Just a minute
Speaker 3: ago it was sixteen five ninety four to the t.
Speaker 3: Now it's sixteen six hundred, So just since I've been
Speaker 3: talking to you, it's been extra fifty. Instantly, when you
Speaker 3: look at the times that people are posting like back
Speaker 3: to back to back, like look I'm looking at I'm
Speaker 3: reading to you.
Speaker 2: Guys. You can't see it because I'm not on a video.
Speaker 2: But literally.
Speaker 3: Eleven seconds ago, races do exist. This show's approve it
Speaker 3: nineteen seconds ago. This girl needs an education twenty five
Speaker 3: seconds ago. The breakfast club need to stay away from
Speaker 3: politics thirty seconds ago.
Speaker 2: America's not false.
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve is literally a country forty three seconds ago.
Speaker 2: Not all black people are dumb.
Speaker 3: She's dumb fifty seconds seconds, fifty seven seconds ago, dumb,
Speaker 3: see dumb? A picture should be by her. Guys, you're
Speaker 3: telling on yourself. You're literally telling on yourself because at
Speaker 3: best this interview based upon this being a four hour
Speaker 3: entertainment show with eight million listeners twenty million on the
Speaker 3: podcast on a good day, three percent, we should maybe
Speaker 3: be getting three or four thousand comments. Engage you guys
Speaker 3: are doing the most. You're at Damnar's seventeen thousand comments,
Speaker 3: which tells me that the text message that went out
Speaker 3: is probably true because of the consistency of the comments,
Speaker 3: because the amount of the comments, and I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: you paid for folks to do it. Some people say
Speaker 3: that you did, but I'm just showing you this guy
Speaker 3: is running a PR campaign.
Speaker 2: This is a part for those of you that don't know.
Speaker 3: I run Teslam figure Out Communications Group, so I actually
Speaker 3: do know how PR campaigns work. I worked on five
Speaker 3: twenty seven, so that's a pack that does this type
Speaker 3: of stuff to get people elected, to basically create campaigns
Speaker 3: that are designed to go against the opponent. I literally
Speaker 3: have done this, so I know exactly what it looks like.
Speaker 3: And you guys are overdoing it. You're telling on yourself.
Speaker 3: So whatever you think you're showing me, you're not. But
Speaker 3: I actually now I'm excited about it because I'm excited
Speaker 3: to see you organize in this way. I want to
Speaker 3: beat Joe Biden's comment section, which was only twenty four thousand.
Speaker 3: By the way, Now let me show you why. Let
Speaker 3: me show you a more blatant example on why we
Speaker 3: know this is false, why the comments are not from
Speaker 3: listeners while we know it really is a campaign, to say, hey,
Speaker 3: go flood the conversations and let me tell you this,
Speaker 3: There'll be no firing Teslam figure Out. I just want
Speaker 3: you all to know, stop with the she shouldn't have
Speaker 3: a job. I'm not Don Lemon number one. I'm not
Speaker 3: an employee, have a contract with iHeartRadio. I have for
Speaker 3: the last three years on my podcast, and can I
Speaker 3: give you some breaking news. I've said much worse on
Speaker 3: my podcast, guys, much much, much much worse. I actually
Speaker 3: took it kind of light. So iHeart is aware of
Speaker 3: who they had sitting in the seat, So you guys
Speaker 3: can stop that. And also can I also say, y'all
Speaker 3: get Don Lemit fired. He was already on his way
Speaker 3: out the door. I know y'all want to take credit
Speaker 3: for that. I know, Bibi, he put that on his
Speaker 3: website that he embarrassed Don Lemon. I know the timing
Speaker 3: of that appeared that you fired Don Limmit, but you didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't.
Speaker 3: But it's okay, neither here nor there. Let me show
Speaker 3: you why this is such. This is fake. Eighty five
Speaker 3: Sounds came to the show on the same day, the
Speaker 3: exact same day. Now, remember at the Breakfast Club is
Speaker 3: a entertainment show for four hours, so the majority of
Speaker 3: our leaders listen for entertainment. I do the news every morning,
Speaker 3: maybe ten minutes at best. Breakfast eighty five Seth came
Speaker 3: to the show on Friday this was the first time
Speaker 3: that DC young Fly did an interview since the loss
Speaker 3: of his child's mother. That's why the views were so high.
Speaker 3: The views were at eight hundred and twenty thousand views.
Speaker 3: That's about what seven times more than our views. Guess
Speaker 3: how many comments? Two thousand and in seventy seven, two thousand,
Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy seven eighty five. Those that don't know,
Speaker 3: they have a number one trending movie right now on Netflix,
Speaker 3: number one in the country. They've been bouncing from one
Speaker 3: to three in the last few days and they only
Speaker 3: got two thousand, three hundred and seventy seven, which is
Speaker 3: about right, because remember I said one, anything over three percent,
Speaker 3: you're doing really great. Let's look at the Would you
Speaker 3: guys say that the Joe that the Joe Biden interview
Speaker 3: was pretty popular? Would you agree? Put you put a
Speaker 3: one hundred up if you agree that the Joe Biden
Speaker 3: they say you ain't black, vote for me, you're not black,
Speaker 3: or whatever he said. Would you say that was a
Speaker 3: pretty popular interview? Put a one hundred up if you
Speaker 3: believe that it trendedwhere it trended everywhere it was on
Speaker 3: mainstream media. Fox picked it up I'm sure seeing then
Speaker 3: covered it. It was on every conservative outlet. Oh man,
Speaker 3: they ran.
Speaker 2: With that message. Just put a one hundred up if
Speaker 2: you believe that.
Speaker 3: The Joe Biden vote for me if you ain't black
Speaker 3: video was a popular video. Well, it was actually folks
Speaker 3: on Breakfast Club. The video received one point three million views,
Speaker 3: and it's been sitting there marinating for three years. I
Speaker 3: want to show y'all how this worked. And I know
Speaker 3: y'all say, well it was so old ago, long ago. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: somebody actually commented three days ago, four days ago, eight
Speaker 3: days ago, ten days ago. It's still alive, like people
Speaker 3: still watch this video. So even after a video that's
Speaker 3: been sitting there for three years, it only received twenty
Speaker 3: four thousand, seven hundred and thirty seven comments, a video
Speaker 3: that was probably the most circulated video in political interviews
Speaker 3: in recent you know, in recent if we say recent,
Speaker 3: you know, recent history five ten years, maybe only got
Speaker 3: twenty four thousand. Let's just round it up, twenty five
Speaker 3: thousand comments. And it's been sitting there for three days
Speaker 3: and still is very active on social media because people
Speaker 3: are still commenting. So if that only got twenty five thousand,
Speaker 3: let's just round it up. And you mean to tell
Speaker 3: me a video that's only been watched one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty seven times thirty seven thousand times got sixteen thousand,
Speaker 3: So we're only seven thousand away from a video that
Speaker 3: was probably the most watched in the last five years.
Speaker 3: Come on, guys, this is a campaign. It's a pr campaign.
Speaker 3: Just call it what it is. And so they're upset
Speaker 3: because I out and Sonny, I appreciate you joining.
Speaker 2: I know you.
Speaker 3: I know he's been running from a debate with you,
Speaker 3: so I wanted you to join, and I want I
Speaker 3: want to you know, I saw the comment about inspiring
Speaker 3: him to do something for cibys, and that's not the point.
Speaker 3: The point is this. You guys can come up with
Speaker 3: all types of Oh yes, she's talking about the sixth grade,
Speaker 3: and that was just saying, hey, man, if you did
Speaker 3: anything other than yourself, let's go all the way back
Speaker 3: to the first grade.
Speaker 2: Everything that he's done has been for himself. Period.
Speaker 3: Nothing's going to change the fact that your guy just
Speaker 3: already voting a few years ago. I noticed nobody has
Speaker 3: anything to say about that. They keep going to me,
Speaker 3: she's angry, she's black, she's aggressive, she doesn't go that
Speaker 3: hard on Democrats, which actually I do. Actually I did
Speaker 3: with Fox News for a long time, and you guys
Speaker 3: ate it up.
Speaker 2: You loved it. All the conservatives loved it. Oh man,
Speaker 2: she's a vetteran. That's right. We need more of her
Speaker 2: on our side. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, Michael Cohen, who threw you guys under
Speaker 3: the bus, he literally offered me fame and wealth to
Speaker 3: come over to the Republican side. In case you didn't
Speaker 3: know that that good on democrats, that hard on democrats.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you need to come over to our side.
Speaker 3: We'll give you fame and fortune for those of you
Speaker 3: that don't know that. When I would go against Democrats
Speaker 3: and liberals and actually tell them to be quiet when
Speaker 3: I'm talking, far more rude than what y'all say I
Speaker 3: did here.
Speaker 2: Oh man, they ate it up.
Speaker 3: That's the type we need, tough and smart and da
Speaker 3: da da da they ate it up. So, guys, I
Speaker 3: know how conservatives moved. I know how democrats moved too.
Speaker 3: You only like it when I'm on your team A hundred.
Speaker 3: We're in a team sport.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: I've been doing this a long long long time. You
Speaker 3: wanted me to sit up there and talk about race.
Speaker 3: You wanted me to bring up something about race. You
Speaker 3: could say, oh, look, she's a racist. She's always talking
Speaker 3: about race. You wanted me to go back and forth
Speaker 3: about the Civil War. You wanted me to go back
Speaker 3: and forth about his policies. Man, I am amazing. Lucas
Speaker 3: broke it down perfectly. You wanted me to get into
Speaker 3: the capitalism conversation. You wanted me just go back and
Speaker 3: look at the interview, and he said, what's Charla Mane?
Speaker 3: You know, I believe capitalism is the way. And Charlamagne said, well,
Speaker 3: say capitalism is bad. Well tell me more, Charlemagne, he
Speaker 3: wanted to This is a Harvard and a law, a
Speaker 3: Yale Law School grad. He wanted the debate about the
Speaker 3: things that he's comfortable debating about. I brought up the
Speaker 3: one thing that was not debatable, which is you have
Speaker 3: not participated in democracy until the last few years, and
Speaker 3: you are requiring the only reason why I brought a
Speaker 3: military guys, is because he is requiring that in order
Speaker 3: to participate in democracy. The man said, if you cannot
Speaker 3: pass the Civics test at eighteen, which even though you
Speaker 3: take Civics all throughout high school. Then you need to
Speaker 3: go serve in the military for six months or a
Speaker 3: first responder. That's the only reason why I brought it up,
Speaker 3: because it was relevant to the argument. He has not
Speaker 3: done either of those things. And you guys are missing
Speaker 3: the point. You're allowing them to pull you into the
Speaker 3: minutia of every other topic. Was I angry? Was I aggressive?
Speaker 3: Did I do something in the sixth grade?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: He did something. He sold a pharmaceutical, he created FDA,
Speaker 3: he is he had he did da da da da. Oh,
Speaker 3: he did far more than what you did in the
Speaker 3: sixth grade. I'm not following for it, guys. I know
Speaker 3: how you do. I'm really good at this, Believe it
Speaker 3: or not. You can't make me think that i'm not.
Speaker 3: You know how I know that I am because you
Speaker 3: guys are literally organizing a campaign in the comments section.
Speaker 3: I made you organize round the applause, Ronald flaws for
Speaker 3: you exercising your comment service duty and getting busy in
Speaker 3: the comment section. And now I can say with my
Speaker 3: chest that that one question, that one interview, we're on
Speaker 3: track to beat Joe Biden's comment sation and conservatives. I
Speaker 3: think you can do more I think you can do more.
Speaker 3: I will be disappointed if we don't beat the twenty
Speaker 3: five thousand, So send out another text. Don't waste the
Speaker 3: comments on Twitter, don't waste them on TikTok. Go to
Speaker 3: the comment sation. I'm literally asking you to do it.
Speaker 3: Follow the lead of a black woman and go to
Speaker 3: the comment section and get busy because in case you
Speaker 3: guys don't realize it, that's actually how this works. In
Speaker 3: case you guys don't realize it, that's how it works.
Speaker 3: For every comment. The algorithm pops up, pops it up.
Speaker 3: It makes it bigger, It makes the interview bigger. Can
Speaker 3: I give you guys another secret? Do you know I'm
Speaker 3: sitting next to Charlemagne to God, probably the most about
Speaker 3: in radio in history.
Speaker 2: Do y'all realize that? Like, seriously, do y'all realize that? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Well, you probably don't because you don't watch the show.
Speaker 3: Charlemagne's the most talked about in probably radio, at least
Speaker 3: in my generation and operation in radio history, this man
Speaker 3: has talked about every day, all day, across every platform. Literally,
Speaker 3: Oh hey, Joey, I saw you were talking about me
Speaker 3: as well. I hope you go back and rewind this Joey,
Speaker 3: so yeah, so talking about me and oh man, I'm
Speaker 3: sitting that to the guy that is most He literally
Speaker 3: was cluwn. Literally was called an asshole. Literally, he would
Speaker 3: call himself that. So this is child's play. I want
Speaker 3: you guys to do better, Joey, like I told you yesterday, Joey,
Speaker 3: don't waste time talking about me in the comment section
Speaker 3: on YouTube, I mean on Twitter. Go to the comment
Speaker 3: section on YouTube and make your voice heard. Don't that
Speaker 3: sleepy Joe as y'all call him. Don't let sleepy Joe
Speaker 3: beat you. Did Joey leave? Did he get upset and leave?
Speaker 2: Oh? Did Joey leave? When I called him by name?
Speaker 2: He left?
Speaker 3: He was so talkative on the comments section and on Twitter.
Speaker 3: What happened, Joey? I want you to do a service,
Speaker 3: do a good pr service, and let's bump these comments up.
Speaker 3: Don't let Joe Biden beat you. And guess what, No
Speaker 3: matter how many times you comment which I want twenty
Speaker 3: five thousand, I'll be disappointed if you don't get twenty
Speaker 3: five thousand, it's still not going to change that. Your
Speaker 3: guy just started voting a few years ago, and he's
Speaker 3: requiring people to meet a certain benchmark that he wasn't
Speaker 3: able to beat in order to participate in democracy. It's
Speaker 3: a pr campaign. You're doing a great job, by the way,
Speaker 3: but I want you to do better. I want you
Speaker 3: to do better. I want you to beat Sleepy Joe
Speaker 3: as y'all call him, beat Sleepy Joe's comments. Guys, come on,
Speaker 3: let's get twenty five thousand. You only need about five
Speaker 3: thousand more. Get busy. Bring in Sonny Johnson, who from
Speaker 3: my understanding, you guys have been avoiding talking to her.
Speaker 3: So what I do is I like to use my
Speaker 3: platform since I'm getting you all upset. This is what
Speaker 3: I've done for years, by the way, I like to
Speaker 3: use my platform to shine a light on others, something
Speaker 3: that your God doesn't do ever. So let me pass
Speaker 3: the mic on over the sunny so she can say
Speaker 3: whatever it is she wants to say. And I'll keep
Speaker 3: doing this every day all day. We're all going to rise.
Speaker 3: Let's make sure that we can capitalize off this moment. Guys,
Speaker 3: you are big mad. I want to help you get
Speaker 3: a little bit madder. And then I want to turn
Speaker 3: it over to other conservatives that has some things that
Speaker 3: they want to get off their chests so that we
Speaker 3: can use this time wisely. Good morning, Sonny.
Speaker 4: You're in be small right now.
Speaker 5: I want to what I like to say upfront is
Speaker 5: for the people who who do not understand why these
Speaker 5: conversations keep getting repeated, it's because we are giving very
Speaker 5: few opportunities where we are allowed to teach without having
Speaker 5: to with prime.
Speaker 4: Examples that are current, right, and in this example, we.
Speaker 5: Are giving the ability to be able to say, look,
Speaker 5: these are this is how these people operate. And I
Speaker 5: say this to black conservatives, especially the ones that are
Speaker 5: young and coming in, to really make them understand this. Right,
Speaker 5: So when you say this shit, that give them on
Speaker 5: white Republicans a tingle up their leg, and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, your Twitter followers start the skyrocket, and
Speaker 5: then you get you know what I'm saying, You start
Speaker 5: feeling a little uppity about yourself.
Speaker 4: All of that is pre planned and predetermined.
Speaker 5: They do that on a regular basis, just to make
Speaker 5: sure that they can have more black faces saying the
Speaker 5: stupid shit that they want to hear, and then they
Speaker 5: can use you as an example as to why it's
Speaker 5: okay for them to follow along with the dumb shit
Speaker 5: you say so. That's why if you notice most the
Speaker 5: majority of all of those counts that grow from like
Speaker 5: zero to twenty five thirty thousand, they all grow extremely
Speaker 5: fast because they get in there with them. Put your
Speaker 5: hands up if you want to say anti black shit,
Speaker 5: and we'll.
Speaker 4: Help you out like those type of people.
Speaker 5: That's the way that these black faces, especially on the right,
Speaker 5: have been able to grow their accounts and magnify their
Speaker 5: own voices even when they offer nothing to the conversation
Speaker 5: at all, point blank. So, when we have the ability
Speaker 5: in real time to get you to see the things
Speaker 5: that are happening, instead of complaining about us taking the
Speaker 5: opportunity to make sure you see these things, a lot
Speaker 5: of you need to be making sure you take this
Speaker 5: opportunity to put these tactical plays in your mind and
Speaker 5: making sure you're able to spot them every single time
Speaker 5: they happen.
Speaker 2: Because one way that will really free up.
Speaker 5: Our time from having to continuously go over the exact
Speaker 5: same lessons over and over again would be for you
Speaker 5: to catch them the first time. And we are dealing
Speaker 5: with a conservative base that does not that has short
Speaker 5: term memory, right, so they can have something fucked up
Speaker 5: happen and they'll forget about it one news story later.
Speaker 5: So when we are trying and trying and trying to
Speaker 5: teach something about this process, we should not be getting
Speaker 5: so much blowback just for exposing what is there. We
Speaker 5: didn't make the fucking rules, right, We didn't create this,
Speaker 5: we didn't design this shit.
Speaker 2: We only know that we got to operate within it.
Speaker 5: So when we're showing you the rules and how the
Speaker 5: game is played, it'd be nice to have a lot
Speaker 5: less bitching and a lot more learning.
Speaker 3: I heard that now just for those because I am
Speaker 3: up to upload this on the podcast and I want
Speaker 3: to make sure that people hear it, just so folks
Speaker 3: to know. For those who are saying, oh, yeah, she
Speaker 3: definitely talking about me, she wouldn't do that to a Democrat.
Speaker 2: Actually I am. I go really hard.
Speaker 3: And I've been knowing Sonny since probably about two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine, and so this has always been my style
Speaker 3: of interviewing. It's always been my style to call things out.
Speaker 3: I've always taken heat from Democrats and conservatives when I
Speaker 3: hurt their feelings as well, and so Sonny has always
Speaker 3: been a conservative. I know plenty of conservatives guys, So
Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with, Oh, you don't like conservatives.
Speaker 3: I sat on a talk radio program in Orlando for
Speaker 3: years with he doesn't like to call himself conservative, but
Speaker 3: he leans to the right as well. So there's never
Speaker 3: been a problem with conservatives. What the problem is though,
Speaker 3: I called out this grifting campaign, and if you are
Speaker 3: a true conservative, like Sonny Johnson talks about all the time,
Speaker 3: you should be supporting people that are actually true conservatives.
Speaker 3: So I want to ask you, Sonny, what is it.
Speaker 3: You also challenged mister Ramaswami to a debate as well.
Speaker 3: Can you explain that and why conservatives don't want to
Speaker 3: have conversations with you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't challenge him. He went out and
Speaker 5: he was talking shit about black people. So as soon
Speaker 5: as he started fixing his lips and start talking about us,
Speaker 5: I thought that I needed to be talking about him
Speaker 5: as well, you know what's good for the goose. So
Speaker 5: when I started calling him out and checking him on
Speaker 5: his bullshit, he came and said, oh, I'm open to debate,
Speaker 5: I'm open to conversations. I'll have this conversation with you, Sonny. Okay, cool,
Speaker 5: I'm down, let's go. So somebody got in his ear
Speaker 5: from his campaign or in his network that told him
Speaker 5: that that was a bad fucking idea and that and
Speaker 5: that interview didn't come to pass. So I will say,
Speaker 5: for one thing, he got a couple smart people around
Speaker 5: him because they made sure of protect his ass from
Speaker 5: what I I was going to do to them. And
Speaker 5: but secondly, it shows you again that everything he runs on,
Speaker 5: when it comes time to put the pedal to the
Speaker 5: floor of the shit that he's saying, then you see
Speaker 5: him act a different way. So he's all open for debate,
Speaker 5: he's all open for these conversations, but he wants to
Speaker 5: have these conversations with people as far on the left
Speaker 5: as he possibly can because it's easy to have those
Speaker 5: conversations because they won't they won't have nuance. Like you said,
Speaker 5: you can shape, you can direct, you can make it
Speaker 5: about race, you can make it about class, you can
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You can decide how to shape that argument.
Speaker 5: But when you are dealing with another conservative that is
Speaker 5: going to question and nuanced your conservatism, that's when they
Speaker 5: get smart and say, no, you don't want that. No
Speaker 5: they don't, they don't want that conversation. And that's where
Speaker 5: that's what the majority of all of them, where all
Speaker 5: of them stand because if you, hey are real conservative,
Speaker 5: and put them up against these people, these people will
Speaker 5: be exposed for the frauds that they are.
Speaker 4: And this is why they run from conversations.
Speaker 2: With people like me.
Speaker 5: And I would say people like in this room right now,
Speaker 5: like Denise as well. Those people that know historical context
Speaker 5: and no policy, that have a connection with the black community,
Speaker 5: that understand our culture, that understand our faith, that is
Speaker 5: not trying to run away from black people, right those
Speaker 5: are the people they don't want to fuck with because
Speaker 5: once you bee us, once we get to going it,
Speaker 5: that everything they are, all their falsities, all their hypocrisy,
Speaker 5: all of that shit will be shown for what it is.
Speaker 3: And that is why they run from us. Absolutely. And
Speaker 3: let me say this, I am very well aware. Let's
Speaker 3: just go ahead and put it on the table. When
Speaker 3: he came to the breakfast club, his expectation was not
Speaker 3: to see me on the monitor. Just so you guys know, Joey,
Speaker 3: what is joey with Joey? Why do you keep leaving?
Speaker 3: You keep popping in and coming out and leaving. Surely
Speaker 3: you're not being a snowflake, you had so much to
Speaker 3: say on Twitter. Make stay in, buddy, pull yourself about
Speaker 3: the bootstraps and and and listen to the conversation. They
Speaker 3: weren't expecting to see me as well, because the show
Speaker 3: is actually DJ MB and Charlemagne, so let's just be real.
Speaker 3: His plan was, I'm just gonna go down to this
Speaker 3: little hip hop, little black negro show and I'll just
Speaker 3: you know, pop in and say, well, you know, it's
Speaker 3: smell and smile and I'm in amazing little's broken down
Speaker 3: play by play. I'll just come in and talk over
Speaker 3: their heads and you know, talk a little bit about
Speaker 3: how I want to change the country and how we.
Speaker 2: Need to all your night and dah dah, dah dah.
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be in talk down, talk to
Speaker 3: and leave until I popped in and through a whole
Speaker 3: through the game, all the way off because he had
Speaker 3: no idea that I would be there, because they don't
Speaker 3: market me as a part of that show, and certainly
Speaker 3: not a part of that the interview. I'm really there
Speaker 3: to do the front page news. So I threw it off,
Speaker 3: and when he came in and said, oh, okay, hello,
Speaker 3: it was all over space. It also was all over space.
Speaker 3: How shook he was at the end of the interview. See, y'all, guys,
Speaker 3: you didn't see that part. How upset he was at
Speaker 3: the end of the interview, so he wasn't expecting me
Speaker 3: to be there. He was coming in, like Sonny said,
Speaker 3: to what he presumed was probably liberal or left even
Speaker 3: though you guys got to make your mind up. One minute,
Speaker 3: y'all say Charlemagne is a conservative, the next minute, y'all
Speaker 3: say he's a Democrat.
Speaker 2: I'm so confused. I need all of y'all to get
Speaker 2: together and figure it out.
Speaker 3: But the point is he wasn't expecting to get the
Speaker 3: conversation that he had, and he damned show.
Speaker 2: Let me just give you the game. Go.
Speaker 3: Look at his interviews on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, they
Speaker 3: always asked, hey, people say you don't have experience, tell
Speaker 3: us why people should vote for you. His answer is
Speaker 3: the same, Well, you know, we need somebody from the outside.
Speaker 3: We need an outsider. We need somebody that's not a
Speaker 3: part of the process. We need somebody that's not a
Speaker 3: part of the bubble. In fact, he said that to
Speaker 3: Charlemagne and the beginning. If you go back and watch
Speaker 3: the interview for those who say I overtalked, I didn't
Speaker 3: say anything for about the least ten For ten to
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes of the interview.
Speaker 2: I came in towards the last.
Speaker 3: It was just the most powerful of the pisch you
Speaker 3: I guys off the most so. Actually, he talked for
Speaker 3: a good minute before I said anything at all. It
Speaker 3: wasn't until Envy said, hey, Tesz, I'm sure she has
Speaker 3: some questions. Come on in, and when I said something,
Speaker 3: and I literally just asked one question and kept trying
Speaker 3: to give it back, saying I'm gonna give it back
Speaker 3: to Charlia Mane, I'm gonna give it back to charloat may.
Speaker 3: He kept coming back to me, wanting the last word
Speaker 3: to like Lucas eloquently said, to reframe it, to reframe
Speaker 3: the argument, to change the narrative, and to go on.
Speaker 3: The problem is I wouldn't let him do it. That's
Speaker 3: the real problem. You guys are upset because I wouldn't
Speaker 3: let him do it. When we were talking about six
Speaker 3: grades being facetious, saying hey, have you done anything at all?
Speaker 2: I'm begging anything.
Speaker 3: Chris Cross Apple Sauce Fire Drill Leader Lunch cafeteria lead.
Speaker 3: There's something I was being just saying that you haven't
Speaker 3: done anything for anybody other than self, And I'm not
Speaker 3: impressed by people that do things herself. I had a
Speaker 3: business as well or profit business. I had three hundred
Speaker 3: employees as well. I know the difference between me volunteering
Speaker 3: my time outside of that business or me even putting
Speaker 3: that business up for criticism when I stood up for
Speaker 3: the NBA lockout in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: I know the difference.
Speaker 3: And he faked tests because it is the test that
Speaker 3: he is requiring. Interesting, someday they keep forgetting that part
Speaker 3: planning is saying that in order to participate in democracy,
Speaker 3: you need to pass the Civics tests. Are participating in
Speaker 3: the military be A first responder asked, was he able
Speaker 3: to pass the test that he is free. It's so
Speaker 3: interesting that they keep skipping. And you guys can call
Speaker 3: me all the dumb and the aggressive and and all
Speaker 3: that you want. The bottom line is your guy didn't
Speaker 3: start participating until.
Speaker 2: A few ago. That's just the bottom line.
Speaker 3: And I noticed they conveniently go over there because you're
Speaker 3: pissed that I exposed him to be the grifter he is.
Speaker 2: It's just that, plain and simple. So I know you.
Speaker 4: Keep cutting in, you keep cutting in and out.
Speaker 2: Okay, I hope it didn't miss. I don't want to
Speaker 2: repeat all.
Speaker 5: But you and like we can, we can make it
Speaker 5: out if you got common sense and you can put
Speaker 5: shit together.
Speaker 4: But it is cutting in and out.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well let me is it better now? Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 3: The bottom line is I won't even repeat all of that.
Speaker 3: The bottom line is they were coming to a hip
Speaker 3: hop show thinking that they were thinking that he was
Speaker 3: going to be the smartest in the room.
Speaker 2: And it's fine if he wants to be the smartest
Speaker 2: in the room.
Speaker 3: He was not expecting me to be there, expecting me
Speaker 3: to ask about his voting record. Even in mainstream media,
Speaker 3: they haven't asked that question. They've as they said, what, hey,
Speaker 3: somebody like you that doesn't have experience, what do you
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: What do you say to that? Well, you know, we
Speaker 2: need somebody from the outside.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me can I speak on that real quick
Speaker 5: about his answer and the fact that you need an outsider.
Speaker 5: This is to me one of the things that pisces
Speaker 5: me off right because we learn a lesson on write
Speaker 5: watching Trump when you have a problem when you have
Speaker 5: a person that is an outsider that doesn't have any
Speaker 5: connections to the actual Republican Party.
Speaker 2: So when you hear him talk, he never.
Speaker 5: Ever ever can tell you what his interactions with the
Speaker 5: Republican Party will be. As president, you actually have to
Speaker 5: work with the with the political party, and his criticism
Speaker 5: is that the political party will not.
Speaker 4: Let him in.
Speaker 5: So we are somehow supposed to believe giving him the
Speaker 5: presidency with a political party that does not accept his
Speaker 5: ass that will not let him be become a part
Speaker 5: of the process, that treats him as an outsider want
Speaker 5: to somehow magically make the political wills turn the way
Speaker 5: that they are supposed to turn.
Speaker 4: So even in his assessment of that we're in the hell.
Speaker 5: It's his analysis of what is currently happening inside the
Speaker 5: Republican Party and how we plans to deal in with
Speaker 5: the dysfunction, separation, and detachment that the Republican Party is
Speaker 5: now facing. So with this, with this acknowledgement that you
Speaker 5: don't have any experience and how the fucking machine works,
Speaker 5: it doesn't give much credence to those who are looking
Speaker 5: at the machine, seeing all of its faulty, seeing how
Speaker 5: it is broken, and realizing you don't have a fucking
Speaker 5: plan in place to fix any of it, right, And
Speaker 5: this kind of goes back to that meritocracy, because that's
Speaker 5: what the fuck they keep talking about, that it is
Speaker 5: a meritocracy.
Speaker 4: That's how we operate in a meritocracy.
Speaker 2: Right now, the RNC.
Speaker 5: Doesn't have one single black fucking employee in the whole
Speaker 5: goddamn building.
Speaker 4: So you're trying to tell me that all of these
Speaker 4: black faces.
Speaker 5: You're running around talking about how equal they are, because
Speaker 5: that's what y'all believe, not one of them is actually
Speaker 5: qualified to be in your ranks. Not one of them
Speaker 5: is actually qualified to be in the political party that
Speaker 5: you say is so meritocracy slated, that same meritocracy that
Speaker 5: won't let your ass in. But for some reason, you
Speaker 5: never have to answer the question about how the Republican
Speaker 5: Party treats you, specifically when it comes to you being
Speaker 5: a candidate. So he, like I said, he doesn't even
Speaker 5: have a single attachment towards the Republican machine. No respect,
Speaker 5: no honor, no connections, no relationships, no trust, no anything.
Speaker 5: And if we have not learned our fucking lesson being
Speaker 5: people on the right wing about having that total detachment.
Speaker 5: Than like that, We're gonna repeat some very very hard
Speaker 5: lessons over and over again, because that is not a
Speaker 5: recipe that actually works if you are trying to activate
Speaker 5: a political party.
Speaker 3: And this is a great thing you say, you said,
Speaker 3: Denise's friend, because she's requested to speak, She's completely and
Speaker 3: guess what, Let's ride this wave. If they want to
Speaker 3: sit up and talk about me every day, we every day,
Speaker 3: I'll bring in nothing but conservatives. I'll repost it on
Speaker 3: my podcast, I'll put it on my Instagram. I'll make
Speaker 3: let's let's let them hear from you. Since they don't
Speaker 3: want to talk to you, let's go ahead and let's
Speaker 3: play the game that they're playing. You want to have
Speaker 3: the Conversation's cool, I'll pass the mike to the conservatives.
Speaker 3: And I just want to finish on that point. And
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring Denise up. I even brought that up
Speaker 3: in the interview. I said, have you ever did anything
Speaker 3: within the Republican leadership and the Republican Party at all?
Speaker 2: And he totally ignored that as well.
Speaker 3: Notice they're not bringing that up because it's so much
Speaker 3: easier to just bring up how aggressive I was. And
Speaker 3: I ruled I would. I didn't know conservatives were, so
Speaker 3: I thought they or snowflakes sonny.
Speaker 5: I thought, oh, they need coloring books and safe spaces.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: See, I was so confused because the message has always
Speaker 3: been you guys like tough talk. All Fox News does
Speaker 3: is talk over people and interrupt people and get their
Speaker 3: point out. I didn't know, And I thought I was
Speaker 3: being kind of nice, because you know, girl, I can
Speaker 3: get really ugly.
Speaker 2: I thought I was being kind of nice.
Speaker 4: You was nicer than him, and you being you was
Speaker 4: nice to me.
Speaker 5: When I come on your podcast, I gotta deal with
Speaker 5: Trump questions.
Speaker 4: When I come on your podcast, you bring.
Speaker 2: Him, that's right. So I thought I was doing quite well.
Speaker 3: And I want to save this point guys for those
Speaker 3: who again because a lot of the people of the
Speaker 3: comments you're not Breakfast Club listeners, so you have no
Speaker 3: clue of how it actually works. It's an actual radio show,
Speaker 3: so we only get like thirty minutes because a lot
Speaker 3: of that was cut out on the actual radio.
Speaker 2: It's not a YouTube show. It's an actual radio show.
Speaker 2: And so and the time that we have to go.
Speaker 3: With interview, because it about thirty minutes, it ended up
Speaker 3: being forty two minutes on YouTube. A lot of that
Speaker 3: we had to cut cut out. So even so folks
Speaker 3: are saying, oh, I wish you would have said this,
Speaker 3: and I wish you would have said that, and I
Speaker 3: wish you would have asked more about this, and like
Speaker 3: Sonny's talking about getting to the nuances, we don't have
Speaker 3: time for that when I do podcasts, like I've had
Speaker 3: Sonny on my show several times, and we talked about
Speaker 3: conservative issues, line by line, nuances by now, we can
Speaker 3: sit there for an hour straight, you know, uninterrupted.
Speaker 2: Two hours straight.
Speaker 3: I've sat here talked through this on Twitter space for
Speaker 3: sometimes four hours at a time, twelve hours at a time.
Speaker 3: I think my record on the Twitter space was literally
Speaker 3: twelve hours. So I have no problem like going through
Speaker 3: all of the nuances, all of the minutis, all of
Speaker 3: the bullshit, like we can go through it line by
Speaker 3: line by line by line. I was on a radio show.
Speaker 3: That does not happen. Because you sit on YouTube doesn't
Speaker 3: mean it's a YouTube show. We just didn't have the time.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate everybody said, oh, man, I wish you
Speaker 3: had said this, and wish you said that.
Speaker 2: There was just no time. I really only have maybe.
Speaker 3: Two questions I can get in at best because there's
Speaker 3: two other people interviewing as well. That's why I was
Speaker 3: quiet halfway through. It's my particular question on this visions.
Speaker 2: One statement.
Speaker 3: My one particular question stung so bad because I didn't
Speaker 3: get into like Sunny just brought up a good point
Speaker 3: about how he has no connections in the Republican Party.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have had time to do that. My point was,
Speaker 3: bottom line is you just started voting a.
Speaker 2: Few years ago.
Speaker 3: You're asking people to serve in the military. You have
Speaker 3: nothing not done either, nor have you done anything besides
Speaker 3: anything that I profit and benefit yourself.
Speaker 2: I tried to let it go.
Speaker 3: He kept coming back, trying to explain and reframe it,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't going for the bullshit. I could have said, well,
Speaker 3: you know what you got that you're right and let
Speaker 3: him go on, but that's just not my style. So
Speaker 3: that is what you're seeing, guys. That's why they're pissed off.
Speaker 3: They didn't like it because he wasn't able to sit
Speaker 3: there and run his pr campaign of the bullshit.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say, quick, why they let me tell
Speaker 4: you why I.
Speaker 5: Can serve it as hate, not even necessarily what you
Speaker 5: did to vvet Breakfast Club as a whole, right, because,
Speaker 5: like you pointed out, some of the most relevant sound
Speaker 5: clips as far as the Biden administration and Black America
Speaker 5: have come from Breakfast Club have come from Charlemagne.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So every single time Charlemagne catches one of these Democrats,
Speaker 5: whether it's Hillary Clinton having a hot sauce moment which
Speaker 5: they still talking about, like, every single time he catches
Speaker 5: them in one of these moments, it becomes a right
Speaker 5: wing kind of clip.
Speaker 2: A viral clip on the right wing.
Speaker 4: Look what Charlemagne, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And that's the only time that they give Charlemagne any
Speaker 5: flowers whatsoever, because they hate black culture.
Speaker 4: So the last.
Speaker 5: Thing that they would want is somebody likes Charlemagne who
Speaker 5: is from the culture to be able to have more
Speaker 5: move and sway on the political conversation than they do.
Speaker 5: So for all of these people of color, and I'm
Speaker 5: talking about especially these black faces, whenever they talk about
Speaker 5: the color, I mean about the culture, you can see
Speaker 5: their venom start to seep out because they cannot they
Speaker 5: cannot understand while we as black people would hold more
Speaker 5: value in a Charlemagne than we would hold in their
Speaker 5: black faces. Right to them, we shouldn't choose Charlemagne, we
Speaker 5: should be choosing them. And the fact we consistently the
Speaker 5: fact that we consistently choose Charlemagne, we consistently choose dj
Speaker 5: envy like we consistently choose them over these black faces,
Speaker 5: that pisces them off.
Speaker 6: And what they would let me say, what they want
Speaker 6: to do, more than what they want to do, more
Speaker 6: than anything, is they want to make sure with their
Speaker 6: behavior that.
Speaker 4: They separate.
Speaker 5: Breakfast club from any of our people on the right right.
Speaker 5: So if they are vitriolic, if they are nasty, if
Speaker 5: they are disrespectful, if they are downright bigger than hateful monsters,
Speaker 5: then that will make breakfast clubs stay away from us,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And that's what they're trying
Speaker 5: to do. They want to make sure that their behavior
Speaker 5: causes the kind of riff that no matter how much
Speaker 5: we do, no matter how much we build bridges, build fences,
Speaker 5: build conversations, that their ugliness, that their divisiveness, that their
Speaker 5: nastiness will always make sure we never have real conversation.
Speaker 2: And that is their main goal. Absolutely and too bad.
Speaker 3: So sad, guys, because again, I've known Sonny for over
Speaker 3: a decade, so I know real conservatives. Shout out to
Speaker 3: Dane in the building. I see you, who also works
Speaker 3: with judsejoh Brown. I think he's one of no doubt
Speaker 3: about his conservative views. I've been on his show several
Speaker 3: times and we've had great conversations. So it's so unfortunate
Speaker 3: because actually, guys, I actually really do know conservatives, Black
Speaker 3: conservatives for real, and I know. And so you're not
Speaker 3: going to close the door because I'm here to open it.
Speaker 3: So just so you guys know, we see the play.
Speaker 3: We know the play, and I want to speak. I
Speaker 3: want to save this to the Democrats and the liberals.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so just like Sonny mentioned when Charlomagne
Speaker 3: says something against Democrats. Oh man, they love they It's
Speaker 3: usually them to make the videos too. You know, Hey,
Speaker 3: look at him, he's over there chucking the job for
Speaker 3: the conservatives. Look at him. He's just a Republican. He's
Speaker 3: just a trumpert. He's just he's just that. I can't
Speaker 3: stay in the breakfast club. They always giving a Republican
Speaker 3: to that. Now they just saw me a viscerrate vibe.
Speaker 3: I noticed their retweeting it. They're not talking about it.
Speaker 3: You know why, Sonny, because they have to be able
Speaker 3: to say, they have to keep their narrative alive to
Speaker 3: say they never do this to conservatives, they never do
Speaker 3: this to Republicans do this.
Speaker 2: So they're sitting back watching all of this, knowing.
Speaker 3: That they could say, you know what, I think one
Speaker 3: girl did he yes to say, you know what, I
Speaker 3: don't really rock at the breakfast club. But they got
Speaker 3: this one right. See, they can't play into that too,
Speaker 3: because this is a team sport. It's not a lot
Speaker 3: of real ones like us to say, hey, I deal
Speaker 3: with the real, no matter if you're a conservative, a
Speaker 3: Democrat or liberal or whatever. I did with the real. See,
Speaker 3: it hurts their narrative too, because they have to be
Speaker 3: able the next time when I get into a Democrat
Speaker 3: like I did, Mary Anne Williamson or Justin Pearson, they
Speaker 3: have to be able to say, oh, yeah, she only
Speaker 3: does this Democrats, like they're saying, now, oh she only
Speaker 3: does this to Indian Americans. They have to find See,
Speaker 3: this is all about, guys, we're giving you the game.
Speaker 3: This is all about whenever you go against their team.
Speaker 3: It's all about pal on. Just conservatives, i would say,
Speaker 3: are just better at it than Democrats. They really pal
Speaker 3: on because meanwhile democrat kind of go on to the
Speaker 3: next thing, go on to the liberal, or they play
Speaker 3: the you know, I'm above it role, like Joyce said,
Speaker 3: you know I'm above it. He can't come on my show.
Speaker 3: I'm above it. I'm not gonna engage. So they do that,
Speaker 3: which they and she has the right to do that.
Speaker 3: She says, he doesn't even deserve to have a conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm always down to the conversation. I'm down with getting
Speaker 3: beat up or what y'allever y'all think, because really you're
Speaker 3: just typing. And for those people asking what I did
Speaker 3: in the military, I was an M sixty gun. I
Speaker 3: was a security police officer. So that that type of talk,
Speaker 3: that that typing your ass off, it doesn't put fear
Speaker 3: in me at all. I've taken death threats, I've done
Speaker 3: it all. So at the end of the day, guys,
Speaker 3: you're you're showing your slip. Let's give it over to
Speaker 3: Denise because I know she had some things to say.
Speaker 3: And anybody else, Sonny that you think needs to come
Speaker 3: up and talk because I want to put this on
Speaker 3: a podcast, and I'm really gonna push to make sure
Speaker 3: that we get your voice. Well, I've been doing it
Speaker 3: for over a decade with you, But if we need
Speaker 3: to keep having this conversation, if they want to keep
Speaker 3: using me as the person that you know to have,
Speaker 3: you know, to say, oh, let's beat her up, let's
Speaker 3: make them listen to some black conservice and make sure
Speaker 3: your voice is bumped up as well. So if anybody else, Sonny,
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I know a lot of people
Speaker 3: just get on the troll. So there's anybody else, let
Speaker 3: me add you as co host, does anybody else you
Speaker 3: want to just give the mic to feel free and
Speaker 3: I'll do Denisa, You're up next, and I know you
Speaker 3: have another space you have to do as well.
Speaker 7: Hey, thank you Teslin, and thank you Sonny. Teslin a
Speaker 7: beautiful job. Thank you for not falling for the charm
Speaker 7: offensive that Vivic has been on. So there's another part
Speaker 7: of this, and I hope I don't get kicked out
Speaker 7: of the space for saying this, but we have to
Speaker 7: realize that part of Vivic's pr in addition to him
Speaker 7: selling the book, as you'd commented, is he is trying
Speaker 7: to normalize Asian advocacy to as they are championing change
Speaker 7: the face of America to the point where they're they're
Speaker 7: piling on and ganging on with the folks who want
Speaker 7: to erase the negro legacy in this country and frame
Speaker 7: it as some kind of victimhood, perpetual victim blaming and
Speaker 7: the like. So with this whole merit fairness and equality thing,
Speaker 7: the MFE idea, he and all these other conservatives including
Speaker 7: RUFO and the like are trying to normalize his message
Speaker 7: and send the message that brown folks can come to
Speaker 7: America and excel, and those who are here who aren't excelling,
Speaker 7: it's all because you haven't put in the work to
Speaker 7: make it. So systems be damned and the historical impact
Speaker 7: be damned. And Teslin, you and I actually recorded an
Speaker 7: interview about Kiitanji Brown Jackson's appointment probably whenever that happened
Speaker 7: for Revolt TV quite some time ago.
Speaker 2: So that was my.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was great, and it was to see you
Speaker 7: work and you're very powerful at what you do. So yeah,
Speaker 7: and you know, I had a space about masculine women,
Speaker 7: so what now what? And I put it in air
Speaker 7: quotes because I don't buy the idea I black women
Speaker 7: haven't been able to rest on our laurels and be
Speaker 7: all super like, come take care of me and save me.
Speaker 7: We've had shit to do and when stuff Sorry, I
Speaker 7: don't mean to cuss in your space, we had.
Speaker 2: Nothing to do. I'm normally much worse.
Speaker 7: Okay, thanks, you know, we had stuff to do, and
Speaker 7: when stuff needed to get done, we didn't look around
Speaker 7: to see who was gonna do it.
Speaker 2: We just did it.
Speaker 7: That's kind of part of our legacy. That's kind of
Speaker 7: how we move. So the whole idea about the masculine
Speaker 7: and being rude and all of that, he deserves a
Speaker 7: little bit of rudeness. I'm sorry, but the idea that
Speaker 7: you would applaud yourself for getting a black man at
Speaker 7: fire while he was talking to you about your history,
Speaker 7: I think was really disgusting to me, even though I
Speaker 7: hear what you're talking about with the background with Don
Speaker 7: already being on his way, but just to even put
Speaker 7: that out there as an accolade on your resume was
Speaker 7: really problematic. So here's my question to you, though, And so,
Speaker 7: as a political strategist and someone who is obviously very
Speaker 7: experienced with message discipline when it comes to politics. You
Speaker 7: talked about the game, which is how they send out
Speaker 7: the text. They send out the email, they follow certain
Speaker 7: Twitter pages, Facebook, the whole thing, and they rally to
Speaker 7: support the message that's going to advance the public narrative,
Speaker 7: that will set the emotional tone and therefore the political
Speaker 7: will for the actions they want to see. I wonder
Speaker 7: what you say to black folks about how we need
Speaker 7: to move when it comes to that, because I do
Speaker 7: hear people being selectively outraged about who they support. If
Speaker 7: the messenger ain't one hundred percent what you want to
Speaker 7: see about one hundred percent of the topics, then you
Speaker 7: don't support it. So what are your thoughts about what
Speaker 7: I'm going to call political maturity and message discipline and
Speaker 7: political strategy from the Black American Negro freedman right perspective
Speaker 7: to cultivate the emotional, intellectual, and political will to get
Speaker 7: our agenda normalized in the public narrative. I know that's
Speaker 7: a lot of words, and I hope what I'm saying
Speaker 7: is makes sense because I know you I'm.
Speaker 2: Ming and Mason, no, no, no, you're not.
Speaker 3: And again this is why I love Twitter spaces because
Speaker 3: we can flush this all out and we don't have
Speaker 3: to be cut off by commercial And I know exactly
Speaker 3: what you're saying. And for those that don't know, just
Speaker 3: giving you because apparently nobody looked at my background. So
Speaker 3: I was the racial justice director for Bernie Sanders and
Speaker 3: he also ran obviously a populist campaign in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Just giving you conservatives to keep trying to run you know,
Speaker 3: I guess think you know about me. Give you some background.
Speaker 3: And this was in twenty fifteen when nobody knew who
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders was. I was the only black person on
Speaker 3: the ground in Michigan from the national level and was
Speaker 3: credited for having a huge impact on why we were
Speaker 3: able to win that state and be Hillary Clinton a
Speaker 3: historic when because I was the one that and I
Speaker 3: got to give this just bear with me, because I
Speaker 3: want you to know who they're actually talking to, that
Speaker 3: I'm not just an interviewer. I actually work on the ground.
Speaker 3: I was the one, the only one that connected Bernie
Speaker 3: Sanders to the black people. That's why Sonny's talking about
Speaker 3: how it's important to work with black people that actually
Speaker 3: know black people. So Bernie Sanders didn't know five black
Speaker 3: people probably in life. And so I was the only
Speaker 3: one literally that connected him to Danielle Green and people
Speaker 3: in the Flint community. So while Hillary Clinton was coming
Speaker 3: in and just you know, shaking hands and kissing babies
Speaker 3: and lead and leaving, I was building relationships on the ground.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this because it's going to tie into
Speaker 3: your answer to me. And so when Bernie Sanders came
Speaker 3: in and hugged Danielle Green, this is how I know
Speaker 3: how pr works.
Speaker 2: Hugged Danielle Green. They took that picture. They took that photo.
Speaker 3: He talked about it in every camp, every speech after that.
Speaker 3: They made campaign videos after that because it was the
Speaker 3: first time that you saw Bernie Sanders be assault empathy
Speaker 3: on his face. As you guys know, he is one
Speaker 3: that doesn't show emotion. So that one photo of him
Speaker 3: hugging Danielle they took that and they ran with that,
Speaker 3: and it made a huge influence of why we were
Speaker 3: able to beat with a state that Detroit had all
Speaker 3: of you know, Hillary Clinton had Detroit sold up. I
Speaker 3: went to Flint and then all of the white folks
Speaker 3: on campaign went on the outskirts to the labor organizers
Speaker 3: and so That's how we were able to beat in
Speaker 3: two percent. I did that, by the way, while my
Speaker 3: mother was also every other weekend, I was going home
Speaker 3: because she also had cancer, and I was going home
Speaker 3: to my five or six year old child at the time.
Speaker 3: So this is why I challenged politicians and talk about
Speaker 3: what they have time to do and what they don't
Speaker 3: have the time to do.
Speaker 2: You don't want me going down eats.
Speaker 3: But anyway, neither here nor there, we won that state
Speaker 3: and now Danielle Green. Fast forward, after everybody left the
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders, the Hillary Clinton or whatever, they didn't know
Speaker 3: they'd keep their relationship with daniel Green. They didn't know
Speaker 3: that eventually she would run for state up for school board.
Speaker 3: They didn't realize that the one person that supported Bernie
Speaker 3: Sanders at the time is now literally the Flint mayor.
Speaker 3: He was a house rep at that time. Because they
Speaker 3: lost those relationships. So if Bernie Sanders had to run today,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't know anybody in Flint because he hasn't kept
Speaker 3: those relationships. So when you say, well, what do we do, Tesla,
Speaker 3: I never try to focus on one hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the black community. They are not trying to focus one
Speaker 3: hundred percent of the Indian community, a hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the White community, one hundred percent of the Asian community,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the Spanic community. They simply do
Speaker 3: what I tell people all the time. Get your coalition,
Speaker 3: get your people. It could be ten, it could be fifteen,
Speaker 3: it could be twenty, and you organized stop waiting on
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the culture so say and begging
Speaker 3: and pleading and getting them to get on board, because
Speaker 3: that's not going When you talk about fifteen thousand comments,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a lot of these people who have
Speaker 3: created new accounts, who have made multiple a discipline to
Speaker 3: go in ten times, fifteen times, twenty times. It's what
Speaker 3: I credit the Reparations movement for what they've been able
Speaker 3: to do on Twitter. It's not a lot a lot of people, guys.
Speaker 3: When you look at the people in the Twitter spaces
Speaker 3: that are having these conversations about reparations, you see the
Speaker 3: same people over and over and over and over. When
Speaker 3: you look at when I first started and saw the
Speaker 3: conversation about reparations, that I would look at people who
Speaker 3: were starting those conversations and I see thirty thousand followers,
Speaker 3: fifty thousand followers, maybe one hundred thousand followers, but the
Speaker 3: conversation seems so big because it was a dedicated group
Speaker 3: of people that just plowed over and over and over
Speaker 3: and over. The criticism that I would say with that,
Speaker 3: I won't even say that movement. With some movements, they
Speaker 3: don't share the space with other people to make it grow.
Speaker 3: So I've been doing Sonny, like I said, since two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine. There has never been an opportunity. I
Speaker 3: don't want to say never because it's absolute. But anytime
Speaker 3: I've seen her in my space and she wants to
Speaker 3: speak and she raises her hand or even times what
Speaker 3: I say, Sonny, can you tap in?
Speaker 2: I always lend the mic.
Speaker 3: When I got my podcast on iHeartRadio twenty twenty, she
Speaker 3: was one of the first people I brought on. She's
Speaker 3: the same to me with serious We have always lended
Speaker 3: our space to each other. So it's not a matter
Speaker 3: of getting them on board. It's a matter of getting
Speaker 3: us on board, the ten or fifteen or twenty or
Speaker 3: so of us that know how to push the line.
Speaker 2: You mentioned revolt and how you came on a revolt.
Speaker 3: I got to show we're gonna we're gonna do about
Speaker 3: ten episodes on Revolt in July. Instead of having one
Speaker 3: co host, I said, let's get four or five. I
Speaker 3: want to hear different voices people that I have followed
Speaker 3: or that I know throughout the years, that even I
Speaker 3: don't may not agree with everything they say. It could
Speaker 3: have just been just me and my show. I'm already
Speaker 3: a commentator on Revolt, but I said, no, let's get
Speaker 3: this person. That person. Let me lend the space to
Speaker 3: them as well. So it's just a matter of connecting
Speaker 3: with folks like me and folks like Sunny and keep
Speaker 3: pushing the line because they're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Democrats, it seems that it seems that Don Lemon himself
Speaker 3: will want to retweet what I did. It seems that
Speaker 3: people that support Don will want to retweet what I did,
Speaker 3: but they can't. You know why, they can't denise because
Speaker 3: then it would be them feeling like they're crediting the
Speaker 3: breakfast club, and they have to stay mad at the
Speaker 3: breakfast club. It would be then crediting me because they
Speaker 3: have to make sure that they are the toughest in
Speaker 3: the room at all times, and surely they don't want
Speaker 3: to do that, so they don't want to make a
Speaker 3: scene like but guess what I did. I share Joy's
Speaker 3: comment on my Instagram. She hasn't shared mine. She follows me.
Speaker 2: She saw it. They saw it, and I'm not mad
Speaker 2: at Joy. It's just how I move.
Speaker 3: I shared her commentary on my Instagram. I shared it
Speaker 3: on my Twitter. None of them have shared mind, none
Speaker 3: of them. And it's not that they don't see it.
Speaker 3: It's just they can't go against the narrative that the
Speaker 3: breakfast club is trade. So when you are truly independent
Speaker 3: like myself, and willing to have conversations for real and
Speaker 3: real life and real life for people, not just for
Speaker 3: pr I go against everything that both sides stand for
Speaker 3: when it comes to, you know, playing the team sport
Speaker 3: if you will. I have gotten beat up for you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's Bernie Sanders I'm not a socialist, whether it's
Speaker 3: working with Crumb.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, he's working with Crumb. He's a grifter.
Speaker 3: Well, I do his policy, and I'm proud to say
Speaker 3: that I worked on fifty pieces of legislation for police reform.
Speaker 3: I've gotten beat up in this Twitter space for attending
Speaker 3: Tariq's rally.
Speaker 2: Oh you're over there with Tarik. You're a drifter. I've
Speaker 2: gotten beat up for talking to Sunny. Oh you're over
Speaker 2: there with the concerned. He must be concerned. I've gotten
Speaker 2: beat up for talking to Charlotte Manne. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: just this and that.
Speaker 3: It hasn't I've always taken a hit for everybody and
Speaker 3: everything that I've done. So you just have to find
Speaker 3: more people like that and just connect. Fuck fuck the
Speaker 3: rest of them. We're here having this conversation now, if
Speaker 3: they want to use my name. Amazing Lucas when he
Speaker 3: did that video, I've never met that man before in
Speaker 3: my life. I don't know anything about him. I just
Speaker 3: saw the video and said, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 3: to amplify this. And I didn't just retweet it. I
Speaker 3: called in his show and said, hey, I Tesling, I
Speaker 3: want to thank He was talking about me literally on
Speaker 3: the show. He doesn't know me, but I said, you
Speaker 3: know what I want to I appreciate what you did.
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you did.
Speaker 1: Brother.
Speaker 3: Let me call in and not no, no, not only that, Denise,
Speaker 3: let me send one hundred dollars to the super check.
Speaker 3: Let me put my money where to Matthews. So this
Speaker 3: is why guys, I don't when you look at multimillionaires
Speaker 3: shout out to Vivian for doing the scholarship shout I'm
Speaker 3: glad I inspired you because I'm not impressed whether it's
Speaker 3: him or Mary Anne Williamson who are multi multimillionaires. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna always challenge him to do more and do better
Speaker 3: and put service over self. My girlfriend did a speech
Speaker 3: at her dad's funeral on Saturday and elected about service
Speaker 3: over self. I'm service over self. So I'm not impressed
Speaker 3: about what you do for profit. I'm impressed on what
Speaker 3: you do for everybody else. And guess what, still didn't
Speaker 3: vote in the last two or three years and you're
Speaker 3: still running a pr campaign. But I'm glad that you're
Speaker 3: using it for some good use to benefit somebody else.
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
Speaker 3: Credit, but just know that you're moving according to the
Speaker 3: pressure that I put on you.
Speaker 2: Baby. That's it.
Speaker 3: It is what it is, and that's how I know
Speaker 3: that my job is done. I do what's having everybody
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