1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: A Walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 2: You know Paul McCartney. They said that he really wanted 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: to do it. And that's who I'm waiting for, is Paul. 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: I want to talk about when he came over to 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: my house and what happened when he came over and 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: we sang at the piano together and Elton John, you 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Elton John picked me up and 8 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: put me back in my crib when I was a toddler. 9 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: That's the thing that's so cool is I've got these 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: stories because of my life. 11 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast, the podcast where 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Buzz Night talks with musicians and gets the inside story 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: about their careers, their latest projects, and their passions. On 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: this episode, Carnie Wilson joins buzz to talk about her 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: TV show on Access Sounds Delicious, her father Brian Wilson's influence, 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: and her musical career with Wilson Phillips. Carney has not 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: only been a musician, but over the years, she's appeared 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: on multiple television shows as an actor a host, including 19 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: on E and Entertainment. Tonight, Carnie Wilson joins Buzz Night 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: next on Taking a Walk. 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: Carnie Wilson, how is your dad. 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: Doing He's doing very well. It's his birthday today, and 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: he's doing great. He's just you know, he's getting older, 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: and every day there's a new little surprise, little you know, 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: there's there's moving forward, there's setbacks, there's all kinds of stuff. 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: And I guess that's just how we are in life. 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: So he's so loved and he knows that, and and 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: I really I think he's improving. I think he's doing great. 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 3: How did growing up with your dad shape your musical 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: journey and aspirations? 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, my parents divorced when I was young, 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: so I have I have quite a few memories, and 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of special ones. And depending on how 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: like how I am, you know, like mentally that day 35 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: or or spiritually that day, often I reflect, you know, 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: and when I'm feeling shitty or just feeling like, I 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: don't know, impatient or in self pity or something like that, 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: then I tend to think about negative things. And then 39 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: when I'm trying to pick myself out of a funk 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: or you know, just kind of feeling a little more inspired, 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: then I'll think about good times there. And just like 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: anyone in any family, you know, I don't think it 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: matters if you come from a musical family, a family 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: of doctors, a family of plumbers, of family you know, secretaries. 45 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: It's just like every family has some dysfunction. And the 46 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: one thread I think was music and that we all 47 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: feel and we're all tied together by each member of 48 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: my family. So music was very important to our whole family, 49 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: our whole lives. And I was you know, I heard 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: in the womb and grew up with it and it 51 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: was kind of like an arrow I was following, just 52 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: like this is what I have to do. I know, 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: I know, this is my calling. And there were a 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: lot of wonderful influences. 55 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: You know, as someone who's had personal struggles, how important 56 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: has music been in helping you through those challenges? 57 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's that's a great that's a great question. 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: And it's it's it's more like a for me, it's 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: like a statement. You know. It's like music helps you 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: get through the good times and the bad times. It's 61 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: like you music is healing, you know, especially harmony for me. 62 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: So when I want to feel spiritual or grounded or 63 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: calm and serene, you know, I put on the eagles 64 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: and or or any group that has beautiful harmony, Steely 65 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: Dan and Dewey Brothers, the Beach Boys, you know, and 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: I listen to the harmony and I just I feel 67 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: or you know, Little River Band, you know, and I 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: feel like like something's being like connected again, you know. 69 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that it's the answer every time, 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: but there's definitely a there's definitely a place that it's 71 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: a purpose that that it serves. And it's usually to 72 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: help lift my spirits, or it's usually to call me, 73 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: or it's usually or or it can be just like 74 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: you know, when I'm cooking and I put on like 75 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: you know, to be fifty twos and then I start, 76 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, dancing around my kitchen and start like you know, 77 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: singing and feeling happy. Or I blasted in my car, 78 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: you know, I love love blasting music in my car. 79 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you got to be careful with like you know, 80 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: fire rages or anything like that. But like, I play 81 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: my music really fucking loud in my car because I 82 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: have a great stereo and I love to hear it blasting. 83 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: I love the bass. I want to hear it. I 84 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: want to feel it in my butt sheeks, you know 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: what I mean. 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: I love. 87 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: That's really weird to say. 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: I think it's sensational to say, you know, you have 89 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: this knack. I've observed you through your media career, your 90 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: television career. I've observed it with Sounds Delicious, the New Show. 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: You have this knack for making your guests and those 92 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 3: around you comfortable. Who did you learn this from? 93 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Well, that's nice of you to say, but I don't know. 94 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it goes back to like actually 95 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: like childhood, like being being the person that was like 96 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 2: teased and bullied and you know, made to feel like 97 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: I was there was something wrong with me because I 98 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: was overweight. For real, I really think that it was 99 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: self taught because my mom is very warm and very 100 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: open and you know, and we are as a family. 101 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: Because it's just personalities too, I mean, I mean, when 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: you come down to when it comes down to it, 103 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: it's just personality, right. Some people are more shy and outgoing, 104 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: and some people also have the ability to read people, 105 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: and I do think I have that ability. But at 106 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: the same time, I think it's it's about like I 107 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: want to feel accepted and comfortable, and so I want 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: that for other people. I tend to like For first off, 109 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: I overanalyze everything, so like I might think I know 110 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: the answer, like, oh, I know how that person's feeling 111 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: because I can tell by it to look in their 112 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: eyes or their body language, you know, And so I 113 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: assess it, and then I'm like, well, what's the situation here? 114 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: Are we like having are we just having a conversation 115 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: at a party? Are we at dinner? Are we at 116 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: a workplace? Are we having fun? Are we? And it's like, 117 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: for me, it's just about connection. I really ultimately think 118 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: that I crave, I crave and I yearn, you know, 119 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: to like connect with people because everybody has like special 120 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: qualities and I love learning from people and taking them 121 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: in and really like seeing like everybody's individual, but we're 122 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: kind of all the same. It's a trip. 123 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: But you're a good listener also, I. 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: Mean I try to be. I've learned that through my sobriety. 125 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: I've learned that through maturity, having children, you know, because 126 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: I know, and my husband, my husband, because because he 127 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: would we would argue we've been married for almost twenty 128 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: five years or twenty four years, and like we he 129 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: would say to me, you're not listening to me, and 130 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, wait a minute, maybe I'm not, 131 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, and so I'd have to shut up, shut 132 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: my fucking pie hole, you know, and take a breath 133 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: and like say, geez, I am not. I'm trying to 134 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: get my point across, and I'm driving it into I'm 135 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: like drilling it into his trying to drill it in 136 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: his brain. But it's not fair, like he has a interview, 137 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: It's not fair to be selfish like that, you know. 138 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: So listening to other people is I think the opposite 139 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: of being selfish. It's easy to do. It's easy to 140 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: be me, me, me, me, you know, and being your own, 141 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: your own feelings. But having children as well, I mean 142 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: it's like I think, I know it's best for them, 143 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: and they are their own person, and I have to 144 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: learn from them and listen to them too. 145 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: Who are some interviewers or hosts that have had an 146 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: impact and an influence on you? 147 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: Interviewers are hosts? That's the hard question. I've never been 148 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: asked that question, and I probably would need more time 149 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: with that one. Truthfully, I've done hundreds of interviews, and 150 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: hundreds I think when I talk with people that are 151 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: mothers or their or their alcoholics, you know, I think 152 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: I definitely relate to people like that because they're like 153 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: they're like the most challenging thing ever, you know. Sobriety 154 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: is challenging, motherhood is challenging. But I don't know, I 155 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: have to think about that more. I think, how. 156 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: About three quintessential albums that have impacted you to this day? 157 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Oh god, that's hard. That is almost an unfair question. Okay, four, 158 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: I have such a My taste in music is so 159 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: it's so vast, you know, there's just I love. Okay, 160 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: So the B fifty two is the first record that 161 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: one for sure dances mess Around is like like like 162 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: a ridiculous song that completely blows my mind and rock 163 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: lobster like turned me up upside down and still does 164 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: I love pet sounds. I know that sounds like it's 165 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: totally expected for me to say that, But when I 166 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: listen to that record, I don't listen to it for 167 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: like the hype. I listened to it because it's so 168 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: so deep and uh, oh god, this is really hard. 169 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 3: It is hard making choices. I agree. 170 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you know, like I love we 171 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: could just say like the best of so, you know, 172 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: I mean Asia by Steely Dan, That's another whopper. I 173 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: love the Dowie Brothers so much and and I love Heart. 174 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean there's there, there are, there are 175 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: a lot of records. Diva, Andy Lennox, Diva. That whole 176 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: album is like off, It's off the scale, just production wise, sonically, 177 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: her voice, the songwriting, her singing. I mean, Diva is 178 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: to me, it was just it just was like it 179 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: just transcends, you know. 180 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: So talk about how Wilson Phillips was was formed and 181 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: how you all decided to get that signature, your sound 182 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: that was and is Wilson Phillips. 183 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: Well, I was out of high school and I was 184 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 2: I made a decision to not go to college. I 185 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: made a decision to jump into the industry as an actress. 186 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: But I was obsessed with singing and harmony, and I 187 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: was a stoner. I was. I was really like I 188 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: just wanted to party. I wanted to smoke pod all day, 189 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: all day long and just like listen to music. And 190 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: the CD had just came out and it was an 191 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: unbelievable sound. And I was just really like really in 192 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: a party, party, party phase. But I was very obsessed 193 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: with music, and you know, China and when and I 194 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: have always been friends since you know, birth, so it 195 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: was natural to see each other, but we hadn't seen 196 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: each other in a while, a few years, i think. 197 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: And there was an idea to do a charity record 198 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: with some other sixties artists kids, and only a few 199 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: people wanted to do it. And it was Wendy, China 200 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: and Mama Cass's daughter, and we all kind of sat 201 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: around and you know, we take in between our bong hits, 202 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: we just like would listen to like Stevie Nicks and 203 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: Heart and and we China didn't even know how to 204 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: sing harmony, and it was I was really like obsessed 205 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: with like getting everybody like, Okay, let's let's sit around here. 206 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to take a little part. When you sing 207 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: the high part, here's your part. China and we just 208 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: like started vocalizing and singing the songs that we were 209 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: listening to, and it was like we were trying to 210 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 2: imitate it. And I'm sure the harmony parts weren't exact, 211 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: but there was a sound that we were just completely 212 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: like wow. When the three when the three of us 213 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: in particular saying at three part harmony, it was like 214 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: it was another voice that that emerged. It was like 215 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: another It was like a separate voice between you know, 216 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: besides the three of us. It became one and it 217 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: was really really apparent. And my mom heard us through 218 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 2: the through the ceiling, and she was like She came 219 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: downstairs and she said, what are you guys doing? And 220 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: we said, we're singing harmony of Mama. You know, we're 221 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: singing harmony. And she goes, do you know how great 222 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: you sound together? Like really, do you what is that? 223 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: She heard the sound, you know, And I'm grateful that 224 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: she was there that day because she's she confirmed what 225 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: we were all feeling, you know what I mean. And 226 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: she said, what are you gonna do about it? And 227 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: we were like, why would you mean? You know? And 228 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: we said, we have no clue. We just we were singing, 229 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: you know, Stevie Nick's songs from from Wildheart and Bella 230 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: Donna and we're like, okay, we sound amazing, now what 231 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: you know? And then we called up a producer that 232 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: Michelle knew, Richard Perry, who is very famous some of 233 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: the best records of all time he produced, you know, 234 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: I mean, and and we went to his house and 235 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: we and you know, he rolled a joint and we 236 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: you know, mutual Stoner's fellow, my Spale Stoner, and we 237 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: just like started singing and he was just like, I 238 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: just can't believe what I'm hearing, you know, and got 239 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: in the studio and he hooked us up with Glenn Ballard. 240 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: We started writing songs with Glenn, and then before we 241 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: knew it, we were in front of like nine record 242 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: companies fighting to sign us. And it was an absolute 243 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: insanely fortunate position to be in. But we worked really 244 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: hard at it for four years, writing songs and getting 245 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: our shit together, you know, and realizing we are a group, 246 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: We're a vocal group, we want to make a record, 247 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: and SBK signed us and we were off for the races. 248 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: What's it like when your music becomes part of you know, 249 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: pop culture specifically, you know, your music being in Bridesmaids. 250 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: Well, I mean all the years that we've been you know, 251 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: the music's been on the radio, and all the record 252 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: that we sold, and we were never a touring band, 253 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: but we did tour, but we it was more about 254 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: the impact I think that the music had on people. 255 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: You know, It's it's more I feel like it's it's 256 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: the songs like hold On and Release Me and You're 257 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: in Love and I feel like those songs, you know, 258 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: they were number one records. But at the same time, 259 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: I think it goes much deeper than just a chart 260 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: and climbing up the charts and whatever it is. I mean, 261 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: we worked really hard to get like every radio station 262 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: you know, to play us and everything. But I'm glad 263 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: we did that because we did get I mean back 264 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: in the day when we were making records, when we 265 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: were you know, first promoting the record and when it 266 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: was released, it took the people to hear the record 267 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: and call in to request it to get the spins. 268 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: And then once the spins happened, you know, then then 269 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: you got the ads, and the ads would then they 270 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: would that would make you rise on the charts. So 271 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: it was like this domino of thing. It wasn't like 272 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: some like OZ, you know, pulling the string going okay, 273 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: you got number one record. You had to sell records, 274 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: and you had to have your records being they were 275 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: called spins you know, on the on those radio stations. 276 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: And it's not like that anymore. And it's just it's 277 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: not that it's bad, it's just it's just different. But 278 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: but we could. Really it was like palpable, you know, 279 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: to feel the public's embrace and the meaning that the 280 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: songs had in their lives. That's that's the part that 281 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: is the most important thing. I mean, I'm in my 282 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: office here and I'm looking at you know, like fifty 283 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: different gold albums on the wall or maybe thirty, you know, 284 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: and and different you know, accolades and all the awards, 285 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: you know, and I have all my awards and everything, 286 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: and and don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful feeling 287 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: to see that because it's like this like recognition and everything. Well, 288 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: and then I go, well, all right, that's just a 289 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: number of what we sold. But the truth is, when 290 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: I really like look into it, it's like, Okay, I 291 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: see ten million records in the United States. That means 292 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: that ten million people, ten million people took money out 293 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: of their wallets and bought the fucking record. And whether 294 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: they listened to it once or it became like an 295 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: anthem or became something that saved their life, which I've 296 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: heard many times, that is extraordinary. And I do not 297 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: and will never take that for granted. 298 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: I got chills. What's you're talking about it? You know? Yeah, yeah, 299 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: so you're having a blast with Sounds Delicious Tuesday's nine 300 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: pm Pacific, Encore episodes Saturdays and Sundays on Axis. Tell 301 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: me how much fun you're having, Well. 302 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you asked me if I preferred singing or cooking. 303 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: I swear I don't know. I think that's why the 304 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: show is what it is. It's both, and it's and 305 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 2: it's music and because when I cook, I sing, I 306 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: love music. I play music, and and then it's just 307 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: it's inspiring, you know, both inspire me. I found my 308 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: passion in cooking and baking and feeding other people, you know, 309 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 2: And I think I want, I secretly want to like 310 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: tell people like you do that too, because the feeling 311 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: is so great, and food is very meaningful to me 312 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: in my family and in my life, you know. So 313 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: it's it's been it's been a battle, you know, not 314 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 2: it's been a struggle to be heavy set and like 315 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: be addicted to food, you know, and then being able 316 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: to celebrate it at the same time and having you know, 317 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 2: just like regulator, like a like a like a limit, 318 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 2: and so I can listen to as much music as 319 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: I want, I can sing as much as I want, 320 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: you know, forever. But I can't eat as much as 321 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: I want. I can't eat all the foods that I want. 322 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: And so when I'm in the kitchen and you know, 323 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: like you said, connecting with the guests on the show, 324 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: like I feel, it's that satisfying and it's that gratifying. 325 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: So it gives me the same pleasure. But I know, 326 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that answer was all over the place. 327 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: But really, truthfully, it's like singing and cooking and music 328 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: and cooking are somehow tied together for me, and they're 329 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: the most important things in my life. My children of 330 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: course the number one of course. But it's funny because 331 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: my kids love food and love cooking and love singing. 332 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: So you know, we cook together, we bake together, we 333 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: sing together. That's my family, that's my friends. So it's 334 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: like when I do this show, when I do these 335 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: episodes that the guests come on and we share that 336 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 2: love of music and love of cooking and love of eating, 337 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: and it's it's the best. 338 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 3: What was it like working with that shy flower of 339 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: an individual named d Snyder. 340 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: He's so amazing. I just you know, it's like he's 341 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: so I mean, out of all the guests, really he's 342 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: he's just had so much life experience too, you know 343 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: what I mean. And he is I mean every guest 344 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: is special in their own way. I mean, I really 345 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: love everybody that was on the show so very much. 346 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: They're so sweet and really great people. I mean, I 347 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: surround myself with good peeps. I don't like assholes, I 348 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: don't like dicks, I don't like phony people. I like 349 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: real good people. And I like spirited people and passionate people. 350 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: And d d is you know, funny and strong and 351 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: you know he has a voice, not as a singer 352 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: and as an entertainer, but you know he has strong 353 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: beliefs and he's a good man. You know, he's a grandpa. 354 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: He's a husband of a long marriage and I respect him. 355 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 2: And he's just fucking funny, you know. 356 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: He is, he's he's he is a rare breed. 357 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: He is. 358 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: And some of your other guests, Mark McGrath, terrific A, 359 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: Lisa Loebe, who are some new targets maybe you're thinking of, Well, I. 360 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: Mean, I would love to have my friend Joey from 361 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: and Sinc Joey Fatone. He's one of my best friends. 362 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: And he was not he was you know, on tour traveling, 363 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: and there were there were a few people that couldn't 364 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: come because they were on tour. And you know, Paul McCartney, 365 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: they they said that he really wanted to do it. 366 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: And that's who I'm waiting for, is Paul. I want 367 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: to talk about when he came over in my house 368 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: and what happened when he came over and we sang 369 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: at the piano together and Elton John, you know, I 370 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 2: mean Elton John pick me up and put me back 371 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: in my crib when I was when I was a toddler. 372 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: It's like, that's the thing that's so cool, is you 373 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: got I've got these stories because of my life, and 374 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 2: I want to I know, Paul loves food. He's a vegetarian. 375 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: His daughter's a vegan, Mary. They love food, and you know, 376 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: you want to cook quen wha, you want to cook 377 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: a steak, let's go, you know, But like, who's going 378 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: to be able to talk about the time that Paul 379 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: McCartney came over when I was a kid and we 380 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: was saying, my Bonnie lives over the ocean at the piano. 381 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: It's so cool. 382 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: Wow, I love it. Carneye. In closing, is there career 383 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: satisfaction you are still hoping to achieve. 384 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have a lot of personal I 385 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: have like insecurities, you know. I mean sometimes when I 386 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: go to the movies and I see movies and I 387 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: watch a TV show, and I know, I see the actresses, 388 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 2: actors a part of me and the roles and the 389 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: scripts and the stories, and I think like, wow, you know, 390 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: I wish, I wish I had that role. I wish 391 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: that I did that, And I think there's just this roadblock, 392 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: this block that I that I just it's like a sabotage, 393 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, one day, who knows, maybe I'll 394 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: break down that barrier and and just like find that 395 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: part of me that's willing to be vulnerable and do that. 396 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: So that's definitely something. But I you know, I kind 397 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: of love being in the kitchen and if I can 398 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: continue doing that and and monetizing that, I mean it's 399 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: I don't have an education. I mean, I never saved money. 400 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: I have to work like other people do. And people 401 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: might find that surprising, but I don't care. It is 402 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: what it is, and that's what makes me human. And 403 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: you know, I know how to make money. I don't 404 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: know how to save money. I can say that I 405 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: don't know. I like my little you know, I like 406 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: my my lifestyle, but you know, health first, family first, food, 407 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: music first, and that's what keeps me happy. So I'm 408 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: open to what's next. I don't know what's next, and 409 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: my mom always says to me, you never know what's 410 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: around the corner, so don't be afraid to look. 411 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: Carnie Wilson, Oh You're the best. Sounds Delicious Tuesday's nine 412 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: pm Pacific Encore episodes Saturday and Sunday. Carney, thanks for 413 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: being on Taking a Walk. 414 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: Oh You're so sweet. It was so great to talk 415 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: with you, and thank you to you and your listeners 416 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: and everything. I appreciate it. 417 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 418 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 419 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never this is an episode. Taking 420 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 421 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.