WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 8/14: Joint Practice Reaction, Three Up/Down, Previewing Preseason Game No. 2 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.480 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.280 Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre and Lazarre. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.960 Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined has always buy our bar gas. 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.599 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.120 I feel like Chad Ryland's been better than Joey Slide. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.760 He I wouldn't say that it's close. He has one 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.640 more make but sly hit of a live kick with 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.000 fifty seven yard of a one on. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.520 I had the kickers overalls the down it really Yeah, 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.040 And so you still think this is an issue, Yeah, 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.239 it's I put Chad Ryland on here just to mess 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:42.480 with you. I'm not talking about it. I don't. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.800 So you didn't watch the kickers, You're just. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:50.120 Going not even one bit no kicking yesterday and the 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:50.960 joint practices. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.640 So we can't with nothing in the last two days. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.400 Nothing the last two day. Oh yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.279 we can't critique the kickers from yesterday's joint practice with 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.840 the Eagles. We are are We have other things to 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.240 talk about that are much bigger than the kicker with 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.200 this team right now. Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Patriots Catch 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.320 twenty two with you for the next couple of hours. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.080 We're obviously going to talk about yesterday's joint practice. 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And after yesterday, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.720 alex I cracked open a nice bud Light after that practice. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.120 It's easy to drink, it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.400 the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. All right, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.720 just give me a second to get something off mych here. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:01.240 Go for it. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.280 You know how I do this, right? Yeah, I'm gonna 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.080 here's my opening monologue, my opening take of the show 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.440 about yesterday's practice for the Patriots offense. I would love 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:16.160 to come in here and just let it roll off 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.239 and just say, you know what, the Eagles, I look 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.720 this up. They are right now in some places have 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.239 the third best odds to win the Super Bowl this year, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.120 third best odds in the league behind the Chiefs and 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.840 the forty nine ers to win the Super Bowl. The 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.000 Patriots are in that conversation, but for the number one 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.520 overall pick right there on the other side of the spectrum. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:43.000 So there's a part of me that doesn't want to 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.160 completely kill them for what happened yesterday, because this is 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.639 two teams that are moving in very very different directions 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.520 and are in very very different places and their roster development. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.760 The Eagles came into this practice yesterday and my first 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.320 thought as these teams were running onto the field is like, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.400 there's Jalen Hurts, There's Aj Brown, There's Devonte Smith, Jordan Davis, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:09.200 There's Saquon Bark Jordan Davis, there's Jalen Carter. Like you know, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.280 there's all these studs on that side of the football, 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.720 and I'm like, the Patriots just don't match up well 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.680 against this team. This is a team that is very 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.320 very good against a team that's rebuilding, and there's definitely 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:27.320 some truth to that, but I can't completely let it go, 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:29.800 like I can't completely sure let the Patriots off the 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.600 hook that easily. And I also want to just put 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:38.000 the caveat on this by saying, this does not necessarily 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.800 mean that Drake may is going to be a bust 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.320 and Rod Mayo is going to be out of a 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.640 job in two years and all of this is terrible, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.280 right and gonna go up in flames. It's one day. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.080 It doesn't necessarily mean anything about the long term future 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.440 of what they're doing here. With that being said, I 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.040 want to read a few stats from you from the 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.800 charting that I did to practice yesterday, just to set 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.520 the scene what this was like for the Patriots offense yesterday, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.360 which frankly was a bleep show, an absolute bleep show 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.839 on the offensive side of the football. And we've seen 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.480 some bad offense in summers. I don't love comparing because 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.440 it's hard, it's hard to get, but. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.360 I gotta ask this. I don't know yesterday wasn't good. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.440 There were days in twenty two that felt worse to me. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.000 Yeah, I would agree, but this is yesterday was worse 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.039 than anything we saw last year. Yeah, I would agree. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.240 You know, we were talking about after the show. Duce and 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.440 I were in Green Bay last year for the joint practices, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.520 and we mentioned to each other, like, where this didn't 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.520 feel this bad in green Bay? 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.240 Green Bay last year was like encouraging pretty much. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.400 Yeah, especially on one of the days. It feels like 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.880 it felt like the Patriots were able to the offense 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.440 was able to make some plays down the field. You know, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.440 DeVante Parker over Russell Douglas I think was like the 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.040 big play in that late portion of practice when it 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:00.720 was like full team will been on eleven. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:01.200 Sure. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:07.000 Anyways, anyways, here's some numbers for you. Give me numbers, Drake, 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.080 I almost said mac Jones because we're just talking about it. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.159 Drake May and Jacoby Brissett drop back to pass forty 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:13.560 two times in practice yesterday. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.000 Hang on, let me let me run this through the buttons. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:21.120 Okay, forty two times. Yeah, they were sacked fourteen times. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:23.880 Fourteen times. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.360 You want the percentage on that, it's about a third, right, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.080 it's exactly a third? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's also from 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.599 what I've seen that that number might be conservative compared 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:33.760 to some of the other numbers I've seen. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:39.480 Yeah, so I had fourteen. I practice, sacks are always 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.240 a gray area. Yeah right, you're not tackling the quarterback 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.480 to the ground. So who knows if everybody greats them differently, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.880 or Jacoby Brissett would squeak out or whatever. I had 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.919 fourteen Jacoby Brissett. Now both Now, one of them was 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:53.960 his fault, one of them wasn't. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.320 And just for the record, for reference, the highest sack 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.560 rate in the league last year is just over eight percent. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.000 The Jets in Miami were tied. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.400 Yeah, Jacoby Brissett. One was his fault, one wasn't. Okay, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.200 two interceptions on twenty four passes. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.520 Yeah, one of those definitely not his fault. He hit 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.360 Austin Hooper right between the numbers. Austin Hooper caught it 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.159 like caught the ball. And then was it Nolan Davis 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.560 that hit him, not Nola Day's Nolan Smith. I think 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.400 that hit him and he just went right up in 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.239 the air. And I'm not blaming the safety. It doesn't 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.640 matter no he threw it. I'm just describing the play 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.120 so people understand what you're talking about. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.200 Okay, this is the maybe the worst part to me 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.920 and imagine being worse than fourteen sacks on forty two 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:34.440 drop ACKs. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.200 Yeah, I actually don't know what you're gonna say here. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.919 Nine penalties? Oh yeah, yeah, nine penalties? 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.200 Was it? There were three or four false starts. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:44.520 Get false starts? 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.839 They had an ineligible man downfields and eligible jayvon Baker 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:48.920 and OPI. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.720 Looked like a legal hands to the facer face mask 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.120 or something like that on one of the blockers. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.960 I just remember four like there was flags ever see 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:57.800 dull penalties. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.720 There was flags everywhere, and some of it, yes, was procedural, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:02.760 to the point where. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.160 No, the procedural stuff I worry more about, yeah than 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:06.040 the other stuff. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.800 To the point where Gerrod Mayo at one point went 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.880 over to Alex van Pelt with his hands up in 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.080 the air like this, like what are we doing? Because 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.560 they couldn't they just like couldn't even get plays. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.760 Off Shanhanshry Okay. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:24.480 Then they also had three botch snaps exchanges, right, you know, 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.000 whether the ball just was a bad snap and the 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.200 ball just hit the ground immediately. And then there was 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.200 one with Jacoby Brissett where I think he was trying 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.800 to hand the ball off to Pop Douglas on the 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.880 Jets sweep and the ball hit the ground. Yeah, and 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.720 he had to just dive on it like a grade 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:37.640 and just yeah. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:39.760 I think that was the case of being sped up 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.280 because the way the offensive line was looking. I don't 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:44.600 think he was sure he was going to have time 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.680 to hand that ball off. So fourteen sacks, yeah, two picks, yeap, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:54.480 nine penalties, three botch snaps? Wait, fourteen plus two plus 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:55.960 nine plus five? Right? 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:56.440 Yes? 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.320 Okay, on how many snaps? 0:07:58.880 --> 0:07:59.840 Forty two dropbacks? 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.240 Right, so you've encounted for thirty so far. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.800 Correct. Then here was Drake May's last two minute. And 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:12.520 this this part really gets into all that kind of stuff. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.000 Is just like, Okay, you had a bad day, you 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.800 were playing a really good team in practice, and you 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.960 got your butts kicked. All right, it happens. Okay, this 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.000 is the part where it starts to I get to 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.920 the point where these things are going to irk me 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.400 like that. Now I'm mad. Now, now I'm mad. Drake 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:33.000 May's final two minute in yesterday's practice, they put him 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.120 back out there on the field with the twos with 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:42.439 Antonio Mafi at center against the Eagles, starting defense, Yeah, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.000 what are we trying to accomplish with that? So he 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.959 goes sacked by Nolan Smith, who goes right around Calvin 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.679 Anderson at left tackle for like at second two point 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.520 four seconds or something. Ridiculous sack by team. I wrote 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.360 team because there was multiple eagles in the backfield that 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.280 I'm not actually one hundred percent sure who. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.840 Touched the team meeting at the quarterback. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.600 Yes, yeah, complete pocket collapse. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.199 Couple of those, but a couple of those yesterday. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.600 But an incomplete pass on a comeback round to Kaishan 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.040 Body that stood no chance. He threw the ball, you 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.920 know it was. It was wide right, but Kaishan Budi 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.320 was covered. The ball had to come out instantly. At 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:20.200 this point he sped up. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.600 He put it well, I know, talking about the one 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.600 he put like well into the sideline. Yeah, yeah, that 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.280 was I call it a throwaway. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:27.800 It was. It was borderline throwaway. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.920 I thought it was a throwaway. I actually didn't even 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:30.640 think it was a target. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.400 And then on the last play for Drake Mason, right 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:34.560 now he's over three. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:35.559 Yeah, on the last. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.120 Play he goes four and out, Nikobe Dean comes in 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.640 up the middle, blows up the running back on the 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.560 way to the quarterback and sack. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:43.199 Yeah. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.800 So we have three sacks and four play span and 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.280 one incomplete pass against the Eagles starting defense against the 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.199 Patriots twos, which I still don't really understand. Why what 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.720 the point of that is. So my guess where I'm 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.400 getting at with this is, first of all, you know, 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.839 I have to be innocent till proven guilty. I have 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.880 to give them the benefit of the doubt, the coaching staff, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.240 the front office that I can't come on this show 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.800 in May. Yeah, already screaming about the offensive line before. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.520 I did that for both of us, before the pads come. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:19.000 I can't. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.960 I'm not in a position to do that. Yeah, I 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:21.920 have to watch it first. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.719 I have to give them that courtesy that let's put 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.560 the pads on, let's see what it looks like. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.240 I usually too, I usually do that too. That's how worried. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.959 Okay, at this point, if you do, you want the truth, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.200 the truth is I'm ordering the code read. This is 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.280 Defcon five. This is they need to get into a 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.480 meeting room with the offensive coaching staff and all of 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.559 them need to have a coming to Jesus about what 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.520 the heck they're doing. Up front. They can't block anybody. Okay, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.959 that's the starting point. Vederian Low at left tackle is 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.320 not working. It's not working. The line looked like it 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.480 was making some early signs of hope, progress, whatever you 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.000 want to call it. When they have Caden Wallace up 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.920 with the top group at left tackle and Chooks a 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.960 Corf on the right side. That was two weeks ago. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.760 Now it was like twelve practices ago or something like that. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.000 They they haven't gone back to it. They they don't 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.480 seem to want to go whatever the case may be. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.520 They don't want to go back to it. But Darien 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.199 the left tackle is not working. They need to move 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.440 away from that. Uh you finish your point. Sorry, No, 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:27.280 it's okay. I would also say that the one silver 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.560 lining or bright spot on the line so far has 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.240 been Laden Robinson, who I think has been decent. It 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.040 was good in the game last week on Thursday Night. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.280 Well what about Mike on win? 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.360 Yeah, but I'm talking about guys that you're not like 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:39.199 expecting to. 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.080 Carry on to surprise, So not the typical starters. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.160 Yeah, right, Like I can't worry about David Andrews and 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.280 Mike on Win right now, right, right? Okay, So the 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.679 way I look at it, they're at they're at red alert, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.080 they're at def Con five. They need to do something upfront. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:54.839 They either need to sign somebody off the street like 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.240 a Donovan Smith and see and roll with that and 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.360 see if that works. Or they need to move it 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.000 around right, they need to reconfigure. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:02.640 Yep. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.520 So there's a couple of ways they could do it. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.560 Maybe Leyden Robinson goes into the starting lineup and Mike 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.800 on wen who goes back out to right tackle and 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.080 choofs the core force flips back to left tackle. Maybe 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.680 you just elevate Caden Wallace up to the top group 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.800 again and he is at left tackle and everybody else 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.920 stays the same. But something has to change. You cannot 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.800 have Vedarian Lowe as a starting left tackle for this 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.080 team in week one. Yeah, and I'm not trying to 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.400 like single him out and like pick on him necessarily, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.360 but it just the five guys that they're rolling with 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.880 right now, the combination doesn't work and four out of 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.480 five of them need to play because that's that's the plan. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.640 Well, let me let me put it this way. It's 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.960 not to pick on on Darren Lowe. He shouldn't be 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.400 in this spot, right. He's not an NFL starter. Yeah, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.920 and what you're seeing on the field is just confirmation 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.600 of that. I don't think anybody was expecting to be 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.200 This isn't They're not in this spot because players are 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:05.439 underperforming compared to expectations. They're in this spot because players 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.400 are performing the same way they've always played with. The 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.439 tape tells us all of them, and that's there's good 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.440 and bad to that, but that's why they're in the spot. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.800 So I do think they should change something, yea. I 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.959 you know, Mike ohen Went who out to tackle is interesting. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.320 I do wonder if they like the group on the 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.960 interior right now and don't want to start moving pieces. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.200 And I was on with Taylor Kyles this morning and 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.440 he brought this up, and this is something you've talked about. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:32.720 Mike go and Went, who was a good tackle, but 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.439 he's a great guard. Would you agree with that assessment? 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:36.559 Yes? 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:42.360 So do they if they move Michael and Went into tackle? 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.439 Do they have any great offensive linemen? 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.680 Probably not, but it still might be the most stable, 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.600 So I know, but I wonder if it's not like 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:53.000 a five man. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.000 I get what you're saying, I just wonder if that 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.079 plays into the equation. No, I think I'm knowing you 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:58.920 have an anchor. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.439 What plays into the equation is that they are looking 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:07.280 at it and saying andrews. So that is a stagmos 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.640 of that too, like, Okay, we got the interior to work, 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.880 let's not touch that because the last thing you need 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.840 is to move Michael and winnow outside. It's a little 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.559 bit of a process for him to get back at 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.640 it at right tackle. And also maybe Leyden Robinson as 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.000 a rookie doesn't take the step with the top unit. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.000 You think, now now it's a real fire drill. And 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.560 I'm not saying that would happen, but I think that's 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.160 part of the equation. And that's why. And this is 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:31.720 what I was gonna say, Evan when I almost cut 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.320 you off. They should change it. I don't think they're 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.920 going to before week one because they're simply out of time. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.000 And if you start moving pieces now, you're not gonna 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.200 be able to get guys ready for week one. Gerrod 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.400 Mao a couple of times this summer, when asked about 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.120 finalizing the offensive line, had given this second preseason game 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:52.680 is kind of the. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.960 Cutoff point and said, we want to know if they're 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.120 they're just beyond that point. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.520 But but listen, but let me let me finish the point. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.480 After that second preseason game is when they want to know. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.920 And there's a reason for that because after the second 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:10.080 preseason game, it's not really training camp anymore. You're sort 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.600 of done with the testing and evaluation and player development stage. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.760 You're starting to get ready for Week one. And you 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.600 can't do that if you're rotating the offensive line. And 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.160 this is why it's so frustrating to me that they 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.520 stuck with this Vaderian Low group as long as they 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.920 mean to pick on him. But that's the big change. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.440 That's what's so frustrating about them sticking with the Vaderian 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.200 Low group as long as they did. Remember I said 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.240 before the Panthers game, Evan, all right, you gave them 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.040 a week. You're gonna give them the game. Let's see 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.840 what it looks like. And they did that, and that 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.560 was fine. You gave him a full week. You let 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.960 them build some continuity. It clearly wasn't working after that game. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.760 This would have been the week to go back into 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.920 the lab, can reconfigure things again, experiment, change things and 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.880 see what works. But they're at that cutoff point, which 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.640 is objectively a logical cutoff point. Now, I think they 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.320 kind of have to roll with this at least three 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.160 weeks one and two and then reevaluate and when you 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.120 get into the season, maybe move some things around. And 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.760 it's probably a situation like it was last year, like 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.920 it was the year before that, that it's gonna be 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.440 week five, six seven, and mic wh Win, who's gonna 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.600 move out to tackle and things will settle down and 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.800 you'll have some more time to work with Laden Robinson, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.560 get him ready there. So I don't disagree with anything 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:20.320 you said. I just think the damage is done. Like 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.200 they're not going to get that time back that they 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.560 spent on this line. And at a certain point you 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.640 got to dance with hubrungya. And if they start moving 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.240 pieces around now, you're risking I know people think it 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.800 can't get worse, but you're risking a real disaster come 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.040 week one because at the very least, at the very least, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.920 the one thing this group has is continuity, and you're 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.760 risking the same quality product without continuity if you start 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.920 moving pieces around now. And I know that sounds a 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.560 little hypocritical. What's the difference between changing now versus changing 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.080 weeks four or five. You don't Bill would do this. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.760 They would rotate the tackles week one, and you can 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.800 do some of that, and you can are moving pieces 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.440 around within the games and see what things look like 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.480 in the games. But you don't want to not have 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.960 a line set. You don't want to go into week 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.359 one with a line that hasn't spent significant time together. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.240 That's just asking for trouble. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.280 Okay, So I agree with everything you said. That's the 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:22.280 short term panic button of what's going on right now. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.879 That's the week one conversation. That's September twenty twenty. Let 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:26.280 me get to it. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:27.639 It's a little longer, Okay, go ahead. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.520 My bigger concern about what's going on right now is 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.439 what's going on with Drake May. Yeah, because that's the 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.440 franchise right there. Like, I really don't care too much 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.240 about September twenty twenty four. I just don't like I 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.200 want them to be competitive. I want it to be 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.600 a watchable product. It's more fun for us if it's 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:46.840 watchable and it's competitive and all that kind of stuff. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.600 But it's not my biggest. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.160 So sorry to backtrack real quick before you get into 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.000 Drake may Than, because someone's to asking you said, you're 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.560 into the idea of them signing a veteran. 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:59.399 Now, if what we're seeing is truly accurate, like if 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.639 they're watching the film back of practice and it truly 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.280 looks as bad on the film as it looks watching live, 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.119 then then I at this point they might have to 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:07.520 consider it. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.200 I think it has to be DJ Humphries, if you 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.040 go that way, I think he's the Charles Leno's healthy, 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.240 Charles Leno's coming off hip surgery in March. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.040 DJ Humphries is coming off an injury too. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.080 Yeah, but it's an ACL, and I know that sounds bad, 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.480 and none of the there's a reason all these guys 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:24.120 are available. Yeah, ACL is relatively recoverable now, especially for alignment. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.840 How do you feel about a guy and and he 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.200 tore his ACL in December? How you feel about about 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.520 a guy that had hip surgery in March? Yeah, and 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.240 that would be Charles Leonel Leno. David Bactiari can't get 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.080 on that he has been in field three years. Donovan 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.000 Smith is healthy, but you go back and you look 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.200 at the way he played last year, if he takes 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.199 another drop off like he did from twenty two to 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.719 twenty three, I actually don't think he's an upgrade. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:51.920 Yeah, I'm not totally. This is again where I don't 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.359 feel like those guys are upgrades necessarily. So I'm not 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.520 like I think. I think Humphreys has the best chance 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.239 to be a marginal upgrade. But I'm with you, I'm 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.359 not pounding the day. But this is where, again you 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.760 talk about the time they've already spent. Yeah, they brought 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.080 one of these guys in at the end of July 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.960 or at the beginning of August, you'd have a better idea. Yeah. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.280 So my biggest concern right now is what's going on 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.119 with Drake may because it's not so much that I 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.320 I don't know where he's at. I honestly don't know. 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.960 I couldn't tell you where he's at because he played 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.760 six naps in the preseason game last week. We haven't 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.399 had a show since then. I know that that's kind 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.720 of water under the bridge at this point. But he 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.800 didn't play in the preseason game last week. For all 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:35.080 intents and purposes. He gets into the practice yesterday and 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.560 his line is just completely overwhelmed with what the Eagles 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.280 are doing upfront, and he really just didn't have a 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.440 ton of chances. So for me to sit here and say, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.000 how is he mentally progressing, you know, going through reading coverage, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.480 going through progressions like timing rhythm, I don't know, And 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.360 that's terrifying. That's terrifying that we can't. This is what 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.960 all of us had fear feared about putting him in 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:00.160 during the sea. 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.119 Don't say all of us you wanted to start in 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.040 week one and we went back and people got mad 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.400 in the YouTube comments we were arguing, okay, so much. 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.560 Sure, whatever, I'm just saying. The point is is that 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.320 we don't know where Drake lay is at because he's 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.600 not given a chance out there right now. And I 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.400 know everybody's gonna hear that and say, well, why don't 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.719 they just put him in front of the ones, And Okay, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.600 I hear you all on that. But to say sit 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.120 here and say he's he's so far away, like he's 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.720 he's not even close to playing yet, I just don't 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.920 know how you could say that, because does he even 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.120 have a chance to go through a progression right now? 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.800 Like could he really have a chance at going one, two, three, 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.040 and like hitting a backside dig route right now. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.520 The few times he's done he's the few times he's 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.679 had that, he has done it. Yeah, but it's just 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.479 so few and far between that you don't know if 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.760 it's a consistency thing or why. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.040 I am sure that there are things pre snap and 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.520 within the first couple beats of plays where he needs 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.840 to be found master or if he's not quite there 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.240 yet mentally in terms of configuring things and setting mike 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.600 points and all that kind I'm sure there's a bunch 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.080 of that kind of stuff going on where if he 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.960 was a little bit further along in that capacity, maybe 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.040 he would be able to get them into better positions 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.640 to run plays more successfully. I am allowing for that completely, 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.720 but that's hard to ask for a rookie quarterback like that. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.800 That's not gonna happen from ninety nine percent of rookie quarterbacks. 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.160 What I'm seeing out of him in practice right now 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.040 is that it's incomplete, like it's I don't know what 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.240 he is. I'm hoping that we're going to see a 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.480 little bit more tomorrow night, and maybe that will give 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.240 us an indication of where he's at. But right now. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.440 I just mentioned the hurry up, like that hurry up 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.200 was worthless, like it didn't teach us anything, he didn't 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.320 get anything out of it. And that part, to me, 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:57.160 is even more worrisome than the fact that it might 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.719 not be great upfront for the first you know, for 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.520 this season, or even the entire year. Maybe I was 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:04.600 gonna say September, but maybe even in the entire year. 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.800 He's at a point now where the conditions, the environment 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.919 is just not conducive for him to be developed in 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.679 a way that we can come out tangibly and say 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.720 when people ask me, where's Drake May at right, I 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:20.080 honestly couldn't tell you. 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.560 Yeah, so I got to ask. I did a mail 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.360 bag last night on ninety eight five the sports sub 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.760 dot com, and I was asked, I'm trying to find 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.240 the exact question, is Drake May's future in trouble since 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.400 the offensive line is struggling, And I said, it doesn't 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.439 have to be. It doesn't have to be because this 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.760 should not be Drake May's offensive line, like they should 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.240 go out and improve it. I'm talking long term. I'm 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.359 not talking about DJ Humphries. I'm talking about after this 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.480 year now, his timeline may be delayed, which I think, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.960 Evan is what you're talking about, that we're not going 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.320 to get an answer on him. We're not going to 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.160 get a referendum on him as soon as we maybe 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.760 otherwise would because the offensive line doesn't allow that. But 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.760 if they handle this correctly, and I don't love the 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:04.720 spot they've put Drake Man to begin with, I think 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.680 it's very clear where I stand on that in terms 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.520 of the investments they made in the offensive line this 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:13.600 offseason or lack thereof, they can still go out and 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.520 make those investments and get them a line and put 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.040 them in a position to succeed. But that also comes 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.920 with delaying the timeline, and that means dealing with pressure 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:23.880 from the media, from the fans, perhaps inside the building 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.239 to get Drake made going because if they put him 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.240 behind this offensive line, I don't think it's gonna look 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.000 good now, and I think it's gonna hurt him. So 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.080 it is tough that you don't know right now, and 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.480 the reality is, at least as I see it, we're 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.320 probably gonna have to go through maybe an entire year 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.480 that we just don't know that we can't say whether 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.359 or not he's good or bad, because we're not going 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.959 to get the full picture. And if he goes in 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.320 early and struggles, then you look at, well, is this 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:57.960 doing lasting damage? So what you're saying, yeah, it's tough, 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.960 and you might go into next off season with quarterbacks 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:02.800 still essentially an unknown. I don't think you can go 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:06.520 out and at a guy but well, or are we 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.520 building this is Drake May the guy we can build 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.120 this around, like you might go in with that because 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:11.320 of where the offensive line is at. 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.000 Yeah, it just it feels to me as though there's 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.120 one thing coming from the team right now about Drake May. 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:22.800 And we had Alex Van Pelt addressed the season ticket 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.240 holders on Sunday and I was there asking him questions. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.879 Mike Reeves tweeted out the exact quote, and he was 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.680 very complimentary of Drake May's said that, you know, they've 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.000 cleaned up his footwork, he's going through progressions a lot 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.159 faster than maybe they expected, like all these kinds of things. 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.480 And I'm not calling him a liar. I'm just saying 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.280 I don't know how you could tell. And they obviously 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:48.919 have a knowledge of the game and a knowledge of 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.159 what's going on out there. That's double that of the 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.560 people in this room, right right. But the point of 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:58.440 being is that he is at a point now where, well, 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:00.960 first of all, they're asking him to play within the 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.640 pocket in practice. I asked him this about I asked 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.320 him about this yesterday, and he said, in practice, you 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.520 can't really simulate all the off script improvisational stuff like 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.040 I'm not gonna break out of the pocket, spin move 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.560 a sack and then get out on the perimeter and 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.200 start making things happen with my legs, Like that's not 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.159 really what we're the goal of practices, Like, that's not 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.480 what we're really trying to do in practice. So they're 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.800 already making him play a little bit left handed and 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.800 work on things he's not necessarily good at yet or 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.280 not necessarily all the way there yet with so it 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.480 was always going to be bumpy as he kind of 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.800 goes through this developmental phase of his career. But they 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.920 also are putting him in an environment where the people 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.040 in front of him can't block for him, and frankly, 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.919 like the receivers haven't really been giving him a ton 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.639 of separation either, because their best receiver in terms of 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.399 separation all that is pop obviously he gets all of 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.120 his reps with Jakobe were sett and the starters. Hunter 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:56.720 Henry has been out there the last couple of days, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.399 but he gets all of his reps which Kobe were 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.120 set and the starters. Those are your best pass catchers, 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.840 and Drake may doesn't throw to either of them right now. 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.119 Usually he gets a Kashawan Boody, the rookies, you know, 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:11.600 Polk Baker, and then maybe some combination of like Rager 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.320 Thornton will mix in there as well with him. That's 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.920 usually the guys in the that tight end. It's pet Way, 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.600 will Cox, you know, those types of players. No offense 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.480 to any of those guys. But that's not necessarily helping 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.399 him out either. So I know that people think that 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.159 I'm making excuses for him, probably you know the anti 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.359 Drake made people hear a bunch of excuses. But to me, 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.600 it's not even that I don't know if he's good 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.760 or bad, like it's incomplete, like I I wish I 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.400 could give you a judgment, like I wish I could 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.520 sit here and tell you. And this to me is 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:44.960 problematic because we're headed in a direction now where he's 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.320 probably gonna sit a while in his rookie season. If 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.960 he sits a while in his rookie season, once you 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.280 get in season, all those reps in practice are gonna 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.080 be going to Jcobe prisct' because he's got to getting 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.399 ready to play the game on Sunday, so they're just 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.320 not there. So these this was his opportunity to show 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.840 real development from start to finish a training camp. And 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:07.960 now hopefully we get to see him more, like I 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.120 keep saying in the preseason games, and then I could 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.359 get on on the film and really grate out the 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.760 film and see exactly how it looks with the ability 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.240 to watch it back. But it's disappointing. It's frustrating that 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.960 we are at such an incomplete impast this far into 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.359 camp with Drake May that we just don't really know 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.880 what he is yet. And there's you can see it 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.080 with the eyes that you know he's got physical tools, 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.440 he's got ability, he's got size, all the things we 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.600 knew already. I feel like we've learned no new information 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.879 about him, and I shouldn't be saying that like we 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:39.880 should have. We should have learned a lot of new 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:42.399 information about him, and I feel like we have none 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:44.919 at this point in training camp, and that to me 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.440 is even more worrisome than the fact that they can't 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.960 block the Eagles front on August thirteenth or whatever it was. 0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean agree with all that. I 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.080 don't know. I don't know much. Add I get it. 0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.280 It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just the known 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.600 as frustrating. It doesn't mean Drake May is bad. It's 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.639 just frustrating from the outside looking in, Like because I 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.640 think people hear that and think, oh, that means Drake 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:13.399 May isn't good. That's not necessarily case. We just we 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.080 don't know what he is. Like you said, we haven't 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:16.080 learned anything about him. 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.159 Is this the whole handling of Drake May in the 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.800 whole summer that this has me has me irked at 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:23.240 this point. 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:24.880 I mean I was irked about it back in March. 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:25.399 I'm kind of. 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.280 It's griding my gears because it's not even just about 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.080 the offensive line though, Like I'm not talking about the personnel. 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.199 I'm talking about how they've handled how they've managed his 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.000 reps and handled his routine on a day to day basis. 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.160 He doesn't play in the preseason game he got I 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.040 believe like half as many reps yesterday as Jacoby Brissett 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.640 did in a full eleven on eleven's. Yeah, he doesn't 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.720 get any opportunities with the ones. The door was never 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.800 open at all for him to make a push ever. 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.720 And I'm not even just talking about week one. I 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.400 don't know how you can look at where we're at 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.880 right now and expect him to play before Halloween like 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.480 this is now. We're at the point where it's gonna 0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:08.440 go behind closed doors here soon and they're gonna have 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:11.000 to see some real progress from him and then and 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.000 behind closed doors settings, yeah, for the next couple of 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.960 weeks months that to the point where maybe he can 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.920 play in like the second half of the year, you know, right, 0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.320 And that that to me did not need We didn't 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:23.920 need to get here, We didn't need to get to 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:24.360 this point. 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.320 Well, when they didn't add a tackle in the offseason, 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:27.280 they kind of decided it. 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:28.959 But I don't even think it's just about the tackle. 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:30.920 Like in practice, he's in a red non contact orts. 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:31.840 He's not gonna get hurt. 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.360 But I think some of the trepidation is in Gid 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.400 kind of talked about this after the first preseason game. 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.080 They don't they are worried about their ability to protect him, 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.920 so they're hesitant to play them. And if you know 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.640 you're hesitant to play them this year at all, why 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.120 overly drill him in practice? 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.400 Because I think you need to find out what you have. 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:51.960 You need to find out what you have, like, you 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.959 need to find out if this guy that you drafted 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.240 third overall really is the future. 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.000 I think they and I think they understand that. I 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:04.520 also think they're like, legitimately, they want to make sure 0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.200 jakober Set is competitive this year. They don't want to 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:07.520 take anything away from Jacoby Brissett. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:09.600 I think that's the wrong way to approach it, That's 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:13.040 all I'm saying. They why not give him any opportunities 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.640 with the ones in practice? It makes no sense, especially 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.480 when you know that the backup offensive lines of train 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:22.080 Wreck right now. Just to give him the opportunity to 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:26.640 actually go through a play at in a proper manner 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.440 consistently and like maybe strings some positive plays together, we 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.760 get into these hurry ups every single time in practice 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.080 when they put him in the two minute and he 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:34.880 can't move the ball. 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.160 Yeah, it's been it's been rough. 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.239 Yeah, So like what are we getting out of that? 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:42.800 And I get it. You want to give jacobyber Set 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:44.880 opportunities to get him ready to play and all that. 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.200 Jacoby b be fine. He's made forty eight starts in 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.640 the NFL. He's thirty one years old. Like, if you 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.480 give Drake May six reps a day with the starters, 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.600 it's not going to make jacobyber Set go from Tom 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.760 Brady to Zach Wilson. Right, He's gonna be who he's 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.040 gonna be, right, And I just that to me is 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.520 the biggest thing is it's not so much about let's 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.560 open the door and let's see what it looks like 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.560 with Drake May in terms of him starting, it's mostly 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.640 just for his development. It would help his development to 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.240 actually be around pieces that function at a decent level 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:21.400 so that he can sit back there and actually go 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.200 through progressions and go through the offense and move the 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.120 ball and grows he have some confidence about what he's 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.120 doing out there. It's it's been going all the way 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.320 back to Thursday's preseason game. Then we can we can 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.960 move on from this going back to Thursday's preseason game 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.600 to now, all of this handling of the quarterback has 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:40.440 made no sense to me. 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.600 No, I look, I don't understand the plan. I don't 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.280 understand I don't I don't want to say I don't 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.160 see the plan. I do see the plan. I don't 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:50.800 like on all the offense line. I don't even understand 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.560 what the plan is. I guess a quarterback, I understand 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.280 what the plan is, but it doesn't I said when 0:31:56.320 --> 0:32:00.280 they moved on for mac Jones that there's less to 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:02.960 be learned there. And I hope that even though it's 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.040 a new like Bill's not in charge anymore, still a 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.280 lot of the same people. I hope they learn their 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:12.600 lesson from the mac Jones saga. I do wonder if 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.440 this is maybe too much of an over correction. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:16.960 In terms of them being so slow with it. 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.480 Just so careful, or maybe they're just being so careful. 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.000 Maybe it has nothing to do with mac Jones. Maybe 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.000 I mean pack away Aaron Rodgers sat multiple seasons Short 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:26.920 and Loves at multiple seasons, like maybe it's some of that, 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.000 but it just feels like they're they're handling with kid gloves, 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.480 and I think it and I I'm the one the 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.560 whole mac Jones that are pounding the table. You need 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.400 to take it, you need to make it as easy 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:40.120 as possible for the quarterback. Saying the quarterback needs help 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.440 is not a dirty thing. The more you help your 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.680 quarterback along, the better. And I still believe all of that, 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.240 but a certain point you got to put the kid 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:47.760 on the field. 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:53.840 Yeah, I wonder my fear isn't necessarily that they're over 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.040 correcting from mac Jones. My fear is the first thing 0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.880 that you said, Yeah, which is that. 0:32:58.040 --> 0:32:59.600 The second thing I said, the packaway thing. 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.600 No, my fear is the thing that you said about 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.040 that they want Jacob Brissett to be viable this year, 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:11.120 and like they're more concerned about well winning games in 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.000 the short term with Jacoby Brissett as the quarterback than 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.400 they are about developing. 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.520 That could be that could so I was actually thinking 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.520 it the other way. This could be a chicken or 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.840 eg thing. Yeah, they're so set on stringing Drake may 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:27.560 along slowly that that's why they're more invested in Jacoby 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:30.240 Brissett because they know that. I didn't think of it 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.960 the way you're saying. I'm more meant it the other 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.920 way that the hesitance with Drake may maybe why they're 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.800 more invested in Jacob Breseet because they know he's going 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.240 to start at least call twelve games this year. 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.040 Yeah, it just the whole handling of his reps. I'm 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:48.120 not in his how they're walking him through this whole thing, 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.160 like let's take all the other pieces around it off 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.040 the table, like the offensive line, all this stuff, all 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:58.840 the way through. How they've just handled his development, I'm not. 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.880 And I also wanted to take off like footwork and mechanics, 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.640 and because I think that some of those things have 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.280 shown some improvements. I think his footwork does look better 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.960 in some instances, and I think his motion is tightened 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.720 up a little bit. His front arm now they're having 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:16.120 him bring that front arm closer to his to his 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.440 body Brady's style, like Brady would put the towel underneath 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.360 his front arm and keep his arm. His mechanics are faster, 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:27.520 more compact. His shotgun drops actually have been a lot better, 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.919 you know, a lot more in rhythm. Like his three 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.440 step hitches right now out of shotgun is actually looks 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.160 good and looks how it should to my eye at least. 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.400 So I think that they've made progress with some of 0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.879 the mechanical and technique work that they've done with him. 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.919 It's more about the handling of the reps and who 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.120 he's playing with and when he's playing in preseason games 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.720 and things like that that I just can't fully wrap 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.719 my head around, Like was that koe Brissett went out 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.319 there last Thursday night and he also played what five 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.919 to six players or something like that. Was Were those 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.480 five six plays for koe Brissett meaningful in any sort 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.040 of way? Did they help him in any sort of way? 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.080 Why not go back to last Thursday night and start 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.040 draaking May from the beginning of the game. If you 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.960 only want him to work with the top offensive line, 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:14.239 I get it. You don't want to put the kid 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.440 back there against a shaky offensive line and get him 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.880 killed in a preseason game. Then start him with the 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.520 ones last week, give him two series full series with 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.960 the ones, and give him those opportunities, because Brissette will 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:29.840 get him in the second and third preseason games, and 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.319 he got him yesterday in the joint practice. So it 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.160 just it feels like all these different things, I'm starting 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:40.719 to second guess a lot, and that to me is worrisome. 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.399 But I want to turn the page because we could 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.839 talk another forty five minutes about all this. So take 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.520 some of these phone calls and emails, and we got 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.600 a bunch of emails rolling in as well, and then 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.120 we have some other things we wanted to get to. 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.520 But let's get to the phone lines, because these guys 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.880 have been waiting. Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff? 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:57.279 Hey? 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:58.759 How you doing? Guys good? 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.440 How are you good? 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:06.520 So every year I make my fantasy team name something 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.959 to do with the Patriots. This year is very niche. 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:13.279 It's the Manhattan Project Nice. I don't think anyone is 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.080 going to get it, because no one in my fantasy 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:20.759 is from is from New England. But you know, I 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:22.320 think that I think it's. 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.320 A good one. 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:28.000 I know that you guys discussed, you know, the offensive 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:32.680 coaches having a come to Jesus meeting about the offensive line, 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:37.279 and obviously that's the offensive line needs to be addressed. 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:42.920 But do you think that, you know, after playing the 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.600 Patriots defense every day and being able to kind of 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:50.840 adjust your game plan to them, and playing the Panthers 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.400 stadium maintenance workers that they trotted out there during the 0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.719 preseason game, you know, after getting their butts sticked by 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.160 the Eagles and a good defense, do you think that 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:04.520 this is going to kind of make a VP realize 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.000 the changes that he's going to need to make, not 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:13.279 to like in game adjustments, but just the philosophy of 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.480 this offense and how he's going to shape game plans 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:20.359 right from the start rather than you know, adjusting on 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.759 the fly to a defense, but you know, the core 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.720 philosophies that he's trying to implement because of the person 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:27.200 that he has. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.799 Yeah, thanks for the question, Jeff, And we love the 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.799 fantasy football name. So it's a good question. It's the 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.799 game plan offense versus just trying to get yourself your 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.440 house in order, you know, to run things. You mentioned 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.480 earlier the continuity factor, and there's basically two there's a 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.160 fork in the road, and there's two ways that things go. 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.960 They can throw it all out and start putting throw 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.759 all the on the freaking floor on the and then 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.719 start putting them back up on the whiteboard. Or they 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:01.560 can just put their head down and say we're gonna 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.760 trust our stuff, like we're gonna trust ourselves, our coaching, 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.120 our system, and that in the coming weeks and months, 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.520 this will get better. Right if we stick stick to 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.480 the process and we stick to the plan, this would 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.840 get this will get better, and my gut tells me 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:19.759 that they are gonna go with the stick to the 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.120 process version at. 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.680 Least to start. It doesn't mean they're gonna start seventeen games, 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.359 but yeah, for first week or two. 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.799 My gut tells me that because if you read up 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:32.160 about these West Coast coaches and this offense and this 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.719 system and things like that, they'll all tell you, especially 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.920 in the run game, it takes a while for the 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.480 outside zone stuff to start to really stick and like 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:46.040 come to fruition because it's it's a rhythmic dance. It 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.680 needs to be drilled, it needs to be sequenced. It 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:53.040 all needs to be worked on over repet you know, repetition. Repetition. 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:58.799 Repetition is so big with this coaching tree that it 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.399 seems unrealistic me that they would just go out there 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.800 and throw it all away and say we need to 0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.879 start completely from scratch, because my guess is in their 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:11.239 head they're saying, by a midway point this year into 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.560 year two, it'll start to come together, like it'll it'll 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.680 start to click, you know. And if you go back 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.120 and you look at some of these places, Sam Fran, 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:24.000 you know, Green Bay, Tennessee, even I think is a 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.520 good example when the floor was there and Tennessee as 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:30.200 the offensive coordinator. It takes time to run this kind 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.919 of scheme. So my guess is that they're gonna stick 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.880 their head in the dirt and just pray that it works. 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:40.000 I also think it doesn't help that there's not there's 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.319 not a clear fix. Yeah, if it was in some 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.200 people might say it's Mike win wint right tackle. It's 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:47.719 probably as clear as you get, but. 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.800 They have too many there's too many holes at this point. 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.719 Right, So you're moving one guy off position and you're 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.680 putting a rookie in the lineup. That's not even if 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.160 you think it's better, and I think it might be better, 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:00.680 but it's not a clear fix, you know what I 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:01.120 mean by that? 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:02.080 It has a higher ceiling. 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.719 It has a higher ceiling, but it's not there's not 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.719 an obvious all right, Well, we'll put this guy in 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:07.680 for this guy and we're good. 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:08.040 Yeah. 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.560 Right, And I think that makes it tougher to just 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.360 make the change like that. I'm with you. I think 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:15.640 this is gonna be the starting offensive line for at 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.920 least the first few weeks, and maybe there's some in 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.680 game adjustments. Again, Bill used to do this where he'd 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.520 rotate one spot during a game and you get like 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.719 a sixty to forty split. Remember Cole Strange did that 0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.080 his rookie year. I remember he rotated with but yeah, 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.040 he only played like sixty sixty five percent of his 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.759 first few games, maybe something like that. But I don't 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:36.879 think there's gonna be sweeping change between now and week one. 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:38.960 So as bad as everything wants, last year, and I'm 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.759 not trying to say that it may it fixed all 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:45.520 their problems or anything like that, but last year they 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:47.799 felt pretty good, even though it didn't work out this 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.400 one right with Trent Brown at left tackle right like 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.760 he was an NFL left tackle, So moving Mike Onnuenu 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:58.080 to right tackle to fix that problem made sense because 0:40:58.120 --> 0:40:59.840 they had a guy on the left side that they 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.279 felt was okay. In this situation, bold tackle spots are 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:07.080 an issue. And then if you move Landon Robinson up 0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.480 into the starting lineup, now you have a rookie right 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:11.640 guard that you're not one hundred percent certain about either. 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:13.680 So now you have three issues bas rightly. 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.600 And and the other one would be just putting Kane 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:17.759 Wallace back in at left tackle. That's what I would do. 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:19.799 That's what i'd move Mike Winu. That's what I would 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.160 But that's also you're putting a rookie career right tackle 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:26.440 in college at left tackle, and that's not a gart 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.520 that's hardly guaranteed fix either. Look, I think Caan Wallace 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.400 can be a serviceable right tackle in the NFL, like 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.040 starting caliber, I don't know about all pro, but like 0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:38.840 a starting caliber, decent right tackle. But that's that doesn't 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:40.440 mean that's going to translate to the other side. 0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.440 Yeah, that's what I would do too, because I I 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.680 feel like that was when they were at their best 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.360 in this camp for those couple of days. And granted 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:50.560 those couple of days were very fleeting and they very 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:52.759 long ago at this point in terms of camp days, 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.640 but those first couple of days and pads with Cad 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.719 and Wallace at left tackle, they looked okay. Yeah it 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.200 wasn't I'm not telling you it was the nineties Cowboys, 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.759 but they looked okay, and then they were serviceable. They 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.200 all of a sudden, we got back into practice after 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.760 a day off and Vederian Lowe was at left tackle 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.920 and Kayden Wallace was with the twos, and it never 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:17.120 went back, and I didn't understand at the time. I 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.319 didn't know what Kaden Wallas did to be essentially be 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.000 demoted at that point of the summer. Yeah, it just 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.520 it didn't make any sense then. It doesn't make much 0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:28.000 sense now, all right, Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty? 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:30.720 What is up? Guys? 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:30.920 Hey? 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:37.320 So I was thinking maybe the plan coming into the season, 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.040 and this may still be the plan. It's sort of 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.680 break man like like the Chiefs treated Patrick Mahomes, where, 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:47.680 you know what, We're just essentially gonna sit the kid 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.400 for the entire year. Maybe we'll give him a game 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.520 or a game or two, because you know, his rookie year. 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:57.759 They they were still only playing sixteen games. And I 0:42:57.880 --> 0:42:59.960 was on record, I've been on record, I've been on 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.240 board with him starting week one. But Evan, I listened 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:07.880 to the whole cast yesterday and I'm starting to uh 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:11.840 to what I'm thinking. I'm walking that back and you know, 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.480 until they get this line settled, I mean I might, 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.120 I might be on board with him sitting almost the 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.160 whole season, you know, barring something happened to Jacobe Verssett. 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:23.960 But do you guys think at a point like at 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.400 a certain point where they're maybe mathematically eliminated. Well, let's 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:29.560 just say that that is the plan. We're sitting them 0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.600 practically the whole year. But if they do get to 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.279 a point where they're mathematically eliminated, do you think they 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.360 just say through it, Let's let's get it. Let's have 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.400 him get his experience. Now, a little bit of experience, 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.919 and just cross our fingers, hold our breath and hope 0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.000 the freaking kid doesn't get hurt. And I'll take it 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.000 off the here and thanks for as always. 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.240 Thanks guys, appreciate you listen yesterday. 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.879 The last thing is the key there. 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:58.160 Yeah, I I look at I agree with everything that 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:02.439 he said about that piece of it, because I'm at 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:06.240 you mentioned it earlier. I was Drake made the doors 0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:09.359 open for week one. I am so far from that at. 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.200 The spit told him. 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.359 They they are so not even close to ready for 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:20.120 him that I am now at the point where I 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.920 I probably look at it now and say, does he 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.400 start the last couple of games of this year just 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.040 to get his feet wet in the NFL and make 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.160 a couple of starts to go into year two with 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:33.319 some experience. I think Patty mentioned Patrick Mahomes right, he 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:35.360 started his last game his rookie season. 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.720 Which means, yeah, they already finished. 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.719 Yeah, so it was a Week seventeen game and now 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.319 would be a Week eighteen game for the Patriots. I'm 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:47.480 at the point where that that is now on the table. 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.040 But as much as I'm changing my tune on that, 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.960 I don't want it to come across that it's because 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.400 of Drake May. I'm changing my tune to that because 0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:00.480 a because of the dumpster fire that is going on 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:03.960 on the offensive line right now, but B because I 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.800 feel like Dave mishandled the whole situation at this point 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.840 where he's not going to be ready any sooner than that. Yeah, 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.799 And that that's the part that I want to hold 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.759 them accountable for, is that this did not have to 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.120 get to this point like he should have been able 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.720 to start earlier on in his rookie career. He should 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.520 have he should have been able to start at some 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.640 point as a rookie and play meaningful games as a rookie. 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.719 And that's not going to happen now. I don't And 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.839 if I had to say today on August fourteenth, that's 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:31.560 not gonna happen. 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.040 It can change. But no, I'm I'm with you. I'm 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.960 I'm more annoyed about the line thing because I think 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.880 the lack of reps is a product of the offensive line. 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.080 I Gerdmeo said that was the least part of it, 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:47.000 So that's the part that bugs me. But to to 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:49.200 to Patty's point, there, does he just play you know, 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:50.480 one or two games at the end of the year, 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.960 you see where he's at. Maybe throw him in blowouts, 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:54.480 you know, during the season. I think I don't. I 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.560 think Mahomes played in a few other games, like where 0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.520 the Chiefs were up big. And may be wrong on that, 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.000 but it all comes down to whether or not they 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.799 think they can keep them healthy. Because what would be 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.920 a true nightmare scenario, No, Mahomes only played that one game, Okay, 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.759 what would be a true nightmare scenario is you get 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:13.239 to that point late in the year where like, okay, 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.960 we're gonna put him in after you've already I don't 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.480 want to say stunted his development, but delayed the timeline, 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.799 and then he gets hurt, and now does he miss 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.640 time next year? And now he's just so far behind 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.200 schedule that you know you're gonna be getting to the 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:30.160 point where you got to decide on his fifty year option, 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.200 and you may not have a full picture of what 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:36.640 he is, so it it makes sense, but you have 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.759 to be able to protect him. And are they gonna 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:41.759 get there at some point this season? I don't know. 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:43.200 I just don't know. 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.200 And it should be able to for one game where 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.640 you can scheme it up and you can get the 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.080 ball out of his hands quickly, and you can move 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:55.399 the pocket and all these kinds of things one game 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.200 in January, when you've had seventeen weeks to try to 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.480 figure out this the offensive line to get it to 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.440 be representable. They should be able to play him for one. 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:07.120 Game their games in starting in December, just looking what 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:11.640 helps them. There aren't any real dominant pass rushes in here. Colts, Cardinals, 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:14.080 the Bills of a good pass rush, but that's mostly interior. 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:17.759 I'm assuming von Miller's Cook Chargers and then Bills again, So. 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.960 The Bills, I mean Everysso that's true. Yeah, but I 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:22.719 hear you, like, yeah, it's. 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:24.640 Well, I was just looking like I forgot if like, 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:31.080 for instance, the the I know most of the schedule, 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:32.680 but like the rams are at the end and they've 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.279 got some some dogs and pasts the Dolphins there at 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.000 the end, Guys like Jalen Phillips. 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:40.120 Like a week team jam against the Bills, who here 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.080 very easily could have everything locked up that they can 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:43.880 possibly lock up. 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:44.600 I don't think they will. 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.719 Okay, maybe seeding, but like they're not going out there 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:53.279 playing for play their lives in that game. Maybe that 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.000 that's a point where they can they can get them 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:57.879 in there, and it's one of the you know, those 0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:59.840 four corner offense games for Buffalo. 0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:04.120 That but like you said, like you said before, you 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.279 can scheme ways around it. And that's what kind of 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.960 confuses me so much about the preseason handling of it. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.400 There's immense value in him just going out getting the 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:18.000 line pre snap, making the reads, making the communications, and 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:19.279 then you can just have him hand it. 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:23.080 Off, yeah, or throw a ball into the flatter screen. 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.640 Right like you don't need to call your full playbook. 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:27.680 Just give them the experience of going out there, and 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:32.120 you can certainly mitigate his chances of getting hit, rollouts, 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.759 things like that. So I understand not putting him out 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:36.839 there and having him run like a four he its offense. Yeah, 0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:39.080 I totally understand that and not running some of these 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:43.360 more complex calls that have two even three cut routes 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:46.000 in them that take more time. Like, yeah, don't put 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:47.400 him out there and have him do that. I'm with 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.319 you on that. You can go out there and hand 0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:51.520 it off. If he's getting hit, handing the ball off, 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.000 there's much much, much bigger problem. 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.400 And he wouldn't have because Bailey's Appy played in that 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.319 game just fine the other night for the lion's share 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.239 of it. And that's the other part that I think 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.440 is so frustrating, because I agree with you one hundred 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.160 percent about what you said that procedurally, he could get 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:07.960 into a game and just kind of go through the 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.640 motions of what it's like to call the play in 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.160 the huddle, to get to the line of scrimmage, make checks, 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:17.360 make alerts, you know, whatever the his cans, you know, 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.160 if it's a run, pass, whatever, and hand the ball 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:23.799 off thirty times that you can do that. The other 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.719 thing I would say is is that was there any 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.960 better team in the preseason that they'll face then the 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.759 Carolina Panthers practice squad, Right, he was gonna play a 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.719 bunch of bumps, Like if they put him in the game, 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.520 with tomorrow night against the Eagles, and the Eagles play 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:41.480 some of their guys, Like, he's gonna be facing a 0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:46.200 team that's that's loaded defensively and especially on the defensive front. 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.040 So that was the opportunity. The opportunity was to play 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.320 him against the freaking Panthers, right, like the third string 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.840 defensive line. Like what, at what point, there's no Zappi 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.480 was fine? Like Zappi is pressured on like thirty percent 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.959 of his dropbacks in that game. It wasn't anything. Alarm it. 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:02.760 It wasn't anything. It wasn't Dallas. 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:04.600 Well, but they didn't know that going in. They may 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:05.719 have thought it was gonna be worse than that. 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.239 They thought it against Carolina's practice squad, they thought was 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:08.680 gonna be worse. 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.279 Well, well, here's the thing. They kept the group the same, 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.600 So maybe they were encouraged by what they saw just 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:15.400 just reading teaies. 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.440 Yeah all right, it's officially back to school season and 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:21.000 you can find everything you need to design your dream 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.400 dorm at Bob's Discount Furniture. 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First question, based off of everything that 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:53.840 everybody's hearing and what he's you know, listening to and 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:57.280 us and things like that, the offense is bad because 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:01.080 of the offensive line and specifically the offensive tackles. Yes, 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.120 And he's just wondering if that notion is correct that 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.040 this is all the offensive line. I wouldn't say it's 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:10.120 all the offensive lines ever, all one thing, right football. 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:12.359 I thought yesterday, you know, we haven't talked a ton 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.719 about Jacob Brisett his day. 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:16.080 He's had a tough couple days here. 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:18.960 His accuracy has been sporadic. Yeah, the last couple of days, 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.120 I thought he had some opportunities. And this is where 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:24.439 I kind of get fired up about not giving Drake 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.520 may some of these reps because I did think yesterday 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:29.840 that Jacobber said, had some clean pockets and had some 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.239 ability to push the ball down the field. He was 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.920 just missing throws. He missed a wide open Austin Hooper 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:37.680 for what would have been a really nice touchdown down 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.000 the field. Hooper ran like a seam splitter against his 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.120 too high structure, looked like quarters and just shot right 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.360 up the middle of the defense through the zone and 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.040 was behind the defense and was open in the end zone, 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.000 and Jacobyber said, overshot him. He threw a ball behind 0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:54.879 Taekwon Thornton that Darius Slay ended up getting a hand 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.720 in late into the passing window or into in between 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.759 you know, the catch point, and that should have been 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.440 out in front of Taekwon Thornton and should have been caught. 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.080 He threw one to Jalen Rager in the two minute 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:09.279 that was complete that Rager caught but was wrong shouldered right. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.160 He like made rigor adjusted to it. It's kind of 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.040 like the throw Zappy made to Kaishon Booty in the 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:17.120 preseason game last Thursday night, where it was one of 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.279 those like no no yes plays right where it was 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.759 like he threw it inside when it should have been 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:24.320 outside and the corner jumped it, but the corner missed 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.239 it and I couldn't break it up. There's just those 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:31.040 like little things there with his ball placement where it's like, yeah, 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.120 that throw was where it should have gone, the reads 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.279 are where he should be going, his eyes are and 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:39.120 feet are in the right place. As he's generally accurate, 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:42.040 but there's just times with Jakobe Brissett where I'm left 0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.680 wanting a little bit more where You're just like, if 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:46.799 that was just a little bit of a better throw there, 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.560 then they have a big play or they have a 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:54.040 yards after catch opportunity. I'll give you another example. Yesterday, 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.120 they ran a I believe it was like a leaked 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:58.440 type of play where Austin Hooper kind of snuck out 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.920 on the wheel route and it worked like there was 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:04.000 it kind of was like a busted coverage for the 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.520 Eagles and he was wide open. Instead of hitting him 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.480 in stride, Austin Hooper had to go up and high 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:11.279 point the ball and adjust to the ball in the air, 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.759 and the safety came over and tapped him down. If 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:15.799 that ball hits Austin Hooper in stride, then he's up 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.239 the sideline and he's running with it. These are just 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:22.720 the little mini things, like minor things which Kobe Weressett 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.120 with his ball placement that if he just had a 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:26.800 little bit more class like it was just a little 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:30.440 bit better that they these plays would hit for more 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.440 explosives or bigger plays down the field and things of 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:35.640 that nature. So I think there's a little bit of 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:37.839 that going on with the first team offense right now. 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.400 That his ball placement's been kind of sporadic over the 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:42.520 last couple of days, and it was in the preseason game, 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.840 I felt like a little bit too. And then the 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:49.560 other thing was outside of Pop Douglas, their receivers, I 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.759 don't think we're uncovering all that consistently. 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:54.640 Most of their catches were contested catches. 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.279 Hooper was getting open a little bit, and I think 0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:00.400 that speaks to the tight end in this offense viable 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.799 option and Hunter Henry should be a viable option. And 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:08.160 Pop came alive in the in Jacoby Brissett's two minutes 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:10.080 and his hurry up at the end of practice. Pop 0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:11.960 made a few catches to get them down the field 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:14.840 in that instance, But other than that, it does it 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:18.239 still doesn't feel like there's a ton of explosives down 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:20.520 the field, like deep opportunities. A lot of it is 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:24.560 underneath stuff and check downs and passes into the flat 0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:25.719 or quick outs or whatever. 0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.440 Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I would just say to 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:30.840 the original question, like how much of this is the tackles. 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.120 Everything's always a little bit of everything, but like the 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:36.000 tackles are the biggest issue, I would also say, I 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.719 think some of these other issues the offense, you know, 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.160 the quarterback and the receivers. You can't develop timing if 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.360 you can't get the play set up. Yeah, and we 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.440 saw them handle this last year in past years by 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.080 running more seven on seven's in practice and taking the 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:52.160 line out of it. They haven't necessarily done that this year. 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:54.480 I think they want to drill the offensive line as 0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:56.399 much as possible to try to get it figured out. 0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.600 But ultimately, what it comes down to is there's not 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.840 as the I've been as many opportunities to develop chemistry 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.080 in the passing game, and you're seeing that. 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:09.239 Yeah. The second part of David's question is about all 0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:11.760 the cap space that they have. The Patriots are about 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:14.560 forty two million dollars right now under the cap, which 0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.000 I believe is number one in the league. He's just 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.319 asking if it rolls over, and yes, one hundred percent 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.920 of the cap space rolls over year to year, so 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:24.800 they will be able to roll over all this space 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.239 into next off season. So he said, you know, they 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.719 paid you on, they obviously can pay jud On if 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:33.080 they want to pay Youdon. Yeah, but the biggest thing 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.640 to me with the cap space is that once they 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.719 missed out on Calvin Ridley, and it didn't seem like 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.360 they loved the rest of the free agent market this offseason. 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:42.600 Right. 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:45.880 It seemed to me as though they said, instead of 0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:50.239 overpaying in free agency for like C plus talent, let's 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.240 just keep the war chest and we'll keep the cap space, 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.000 will roll it into next off season and then hopefully 0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:58.920 in twenty twenty five we make some splashes. 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:00.000 DK met Calf. 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.239 Yeah, I actually don't mind the approach because we learned 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:05.520 our lesson in twenty twenty one, where you go out 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:09.120 and you pay like overpay for guys you know, Johnny Smith, 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:12.760 Nelson Aguilar, like those players, and then you're like stuck 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.960 with that core for like two or three years cap wise, 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.720 and then that puts you into a tight spot. 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.640 It would bother me less if they just paid Judon. Yeah, 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.120 just game him through this year. Just put a band 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:25.320 aid on a game through this year and then you 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:28.160 can part ways. But meanwhile, he was awesome in practice 0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:31.360 yesterday and he's going one hundred and ten percent. He's 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.880 totally bought in. He's giving them every reason to pay him. 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.120 Yeah for whatever, that's that's totally fair. 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:39.920 They probably should pay Jude On and hopefully will here 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:41.919 soon and they can do that with their cap space 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:44.280 and all that. But just lasting on the cap space 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.799 like it obviously didn't work out with Brandon Nyuk, but 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.880 that's a great example of Brandon Nyuk all of a 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:54.000 sudden becomes available potentially via trade in the middle of August, 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.800 which almost never happens, but it did happen in this instance, 0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:00.359 and now suddenly they had It's so easy for the 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:02.720 Patriots now to just cut the check and acquire Brandon. 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:06.040 I you it isn't a problem. Whereas if they were 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.120 up against the cap because they spent all this money 0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:12.080 in free agency and you know, got rid of all 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.600 of it, all the cap space, then all of a sudden, 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:16.560 now we're in a conversation about how do you move 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:18.520 the cap space around and how do you figure it 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.480 out to get him on the roster. Same could be 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:22.520 true if it's at the deadline or something like that. 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.240 That a you know, CD Land DK, that Calf you're 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.680 one of your guys, comes available at the deadline. Now 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.120 you have some wiggle room. So I don't mind that 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.439 they they they held serve with the cap space because 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:37.480 I feel like they will be better used in future management. 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.960 Regardless of you know, what happens this year, It'll be 0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:48.000 better used in future times. All right, let's see here, Uh, okay, 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:50.680 a lot of questions about the offensive line and how 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:56.320 bad it is. Obviously, so I'm trying to read these 0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:58.800 emails while hosting the show, which is not good radio. 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.240 Take the call and well we're answering the call. You 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:03.680 can read the emails and figure out which one. 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.600 Okay, that's a good idea. All right, Brad is in Ohio. 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:13.840 What's up, Brad? Brad you're on the air. O. Hey, 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:14.760 how's it going, Brad? 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:16.920 How you got doing today? 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:17.680 Good? 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:19.120 Good? 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.960 I was wondering. I agree with you guys so much. 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:27.600 I just think that Drake's being not used properly. I mean, 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:30.120 we've got to get this guy some reps. I mean 0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:34.840 He's got the throwing ability that Jacoby Marys just doesn't 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:40.600 or Jacoby Bursett I'm sorry, doesn't have. And you know, 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.480 I mean proving this in practice, he's out playing him. 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:47.080 So what what on earth are we We're actually gonna 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:48.800 sit him on the bench. I mean, I know, the 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:52.600 offensive line is the trocious and we don't have tackles. 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:56.000 And Kyden Wallace shouldn't be on the left side. He 0:58:56.160 --> 0:59:00.240 proved that in the preseason game. But on the right 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:02.720 side he looked good and Landon Roberts did, so we 0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:08.000 got three really effective right guards. And you know, I'm 0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:10.840 just really confused about our offensive line, and you guys 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:14.560 are so on to the you know, the fact about it. 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:18.040 What do you think I mean? And who's the better 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:24.400 receiver Thornton or reagor running Rowls hands. I mean, there's 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:26.800 so many problems. I just thought, you know, at first, 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.720 I was optimistic. Now I'm kind of looking at the 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:35.080 season and the future, like what's Jared Mayo doing. I'm confused. 0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:38.520 I guess maybe any insight. 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.120 Thank you, thanks Bratt, thanks for the call. I understand 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:44.120 I understand all your everybody that's a Patriots fan. I 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.040 totally understand all your frustrations with what's being told to you, 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.360 and we're just telling you what we see. We're not 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:53.520 trying to kill anybody. We're not trying to be negative. 0:59:53.720 --> 0:59:55.760 If we could come out here and say they had 0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.760 a great day yesterday against Eagles, we would we would, 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:01.360 you know. With the with the offensive line, I feel 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:03.959 like we've beaten that drum a little bit to death 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:07.760 at this point. I still feel like that the best 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.000 thing to do at this point with their offensive line 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.640 is to elevate Kid and Wallace to left tackle with 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:15.120 the top group and just sink or swim with with 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:17.080 some of the younger players that they have in this roster. 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:20.880 You know, city so second year guy Caden Wallace at 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.360 right or left tackle, excuse me, just let the rookie 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:26.600 kind of learn on the fly, trial by fire, and 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.320 he's gonna have bumps in the road and it's not 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:31.520 gonna be pretty at times, I'm sure, but it also 1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:34.040 is not gonna be pretty. Evederian Lowe is the starting 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.120 left tackle either, So I'd rather go with the guy 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:39.960 that has developmental upside and that you're invested in as 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:43.720 the future. Enter the Raiger Thornton question. Yeah, I think 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:47.800 this is a really interesting one because not to hype 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:49.800 up either player, like either one of them is anything 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:53.880 special necessarily, but it's interesting to be because they seem 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:57.200 to be fighting for the same role in the offense 1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:01.280 and sort of the same roster spots result. So I 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:04.240 had them both on my last fifty three man roster 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:07.280 projection and I had Booty as the oddoan out, so 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:09.600 you can go that direction. But either way, only one 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:12.080 of those guys is actually gonna see real playing time 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:15.480 in games. It seems to the seesaw to me like 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:18.120 which one looks better in terms of playing receiver. Obviously 1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:21.360 we know Rager can return, but in terms of actual 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:24.720 receiver play, there's Rager days and there's Thornton days, and 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:26.600 it kind of just goes back and forth a little bit. 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:28.720 But isn't that the tiebreaker? What else can you do? 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:31.080 And I thought Jalen Rager looked really good as a 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.840 kick returner yesterday against the Eagles. 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:33.520 So. 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:37.400 I still think Rager has the edge. I still have 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:40.800 Booty on because he gives you something different, and I 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:42.760 know there's some overlap with Jalen Polk, but if they 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:44.640 want to ease the rookie, and especially if Kendrick Bourne 1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:46.960 is going to start on PUP, I just think it 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:50.000 makes sense to have Booty on the roster. 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:52.640 Yeah, that was the biggest reason why I had him off. 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:56.000 Was more stylistically. I always think I used this analogy 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.920 a lot, but I always think of receivers and cornerback rooms. 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.480 Like basketball teams. You know, you have one through five, 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:03.320 and you want to have a point guard, shooting guard, 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:07.120 small forward, power forward, center. You don't want five centers, right, 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:10.920 you didn't, but you also don't want five point guards. 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:13.200 So you want to have different types of skill sets 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:17.760 and different types of body types, you know, inside outside guys, 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:20.560 you know, different skill sets in general, and to me, 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:24.080 kish on Booty, it has the same exact skill set 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:29.720 as Bourne, Osbourne, Polk Baker, like all those guys kind 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:33.360 of play the game the same way. Similar build, similar 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:37.160 you know, inside outside versatility, similar route tree, like all 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:40.760 of it. So he's the fifth receiver if you keep him, 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:43.680 he's the fifth receiver on the team that plays that way. 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:46.760 And you have Borne, who when he's healthy, is going 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:47.479 to play well. 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:50.960 So I put Booty on, but with the idea that 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:53.680 I don't remember if I exactly wrote this, But you're 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:55.440 going to have to open up a roster spot form 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:56.240 when he comes off pup. 1:02:56.560 --> 1:03:00.920 Yeah, mat right, But you're gonna have just for the 1:03:00.920 --> 1:03:03.200 long term, yeah, because Bourne's gonna play at some point. 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:06.480 So you have Bourne who's gonna play, yeah, you have 1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:09.000 Osborne who is gonna play, yeah, and then you have 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.160 the Bolt the rookies who are also going to play. 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:13.960 So we're keeping Kaishan Boudi on the roster to be 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:16.000 a game day scratch. 1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:18.960 I mean he's basically he's just giving I basically kept 1:03:19.000 --> 1:03:22.040 him because I think he's the best depth option until 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:25.520 Kendrick Born comes back. Okay, you're saying long term, when 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:27.680 Kendrick Borne comes back. I mean, if somebody else gets hurt, 1:03:27.720 --> 1:03:29.400 maybe you keep me, keep a bunch of wide receivers. 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:31.720 But the idea would be like, he's just keeping that 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:33.080 spot warm Untilkendrick Born. 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.440 Comes Okay, fair enough, Yeah, it could go either way. 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.280 They would. I would say, if I had to lean 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:41.960 one direction with Raager and Thorton, I would read slight 1:03:42.040 --> 1:03:45.520 Rager right now. The returnability is there, and I do 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:48.520 think that he's a little bit more consistent in practice 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:52.280 in terms of his receiver play taekwons is his speed 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:56.440 plays more like Taekwon's a faster guy, and he his 1:03:56.640 --> 1:04:00.400 vertical like his third level speed is better than Jalenragers 1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:03.280 to actually get down the field and make those plays happen. 1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:05.760 But Rager it seems to me like a little bit 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:08.960 more consistent and well rounded. So I'd go slight lean 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.240 towards Rager on that one. I wanted before we do 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:15.640 three up, three down and talk about Thursday night, I 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:17.640 want to do talk about the defense a little bit 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:19.600 from yesterday because I realized we got into an hour 1:04:19.640 --> 1:04:22.680 into the show of me screaming about the offense podcast 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:25.840 and I didn't talk at all about the defense full disclosure, 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:29.160 do just to watch the defense, and I watched the offense. 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:30.760 I watched the defense perfect. 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:33.280 So I'm going to react mostly to what you're telling me. 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:36.680 But what I saw out of the defense, at least 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:38.600 on the whole when I was able to kind of 1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:43.040 look over there, was that they were definitely holding their 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:46.160 own more than the Patriots offense was, and it kind 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:49.040 of went exactly how you would expect this to go. Now, 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:51.080 with that being said, I looked over a couple of times, 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:54.040 and Jalen Hurts was throwing dimes to AJ Brown down 1:04:54.040 --> 1:04:56.160 the field, where I was like, yeah, those two guys 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.360 are still really damn good and that's gonna happen every 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:01.000 once in a while. But I was wasn't looking over 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:03.240 there and seeing play, you know, tons and tons of 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:06.040 plays down the field for the Eagles. But he threw 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:09.400 one to AJ Brown that I did catch into like 1:05:09.480 --> 1:05:13.400 the honey hole in his zone coverage where he just 1:05:13.440 --> 1:05:16.600 like feathered it over Alex Austin and dropped it in 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:20.200 a bucket to AJ Brown like an in stride to 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:23.000 AJ Brown, where I just was like, holy hell, like 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:26.200 that that right there is like a Pro Bowl caliber 1:05:26.280 --> 1:05:28.680 quarterback and one of the best receivers in the league 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:31.880 just being too good, like you can't defend that, you know, 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:34.560 type of thing. But in general, what you know, who 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:36.200 stood out on the defensive side of the ball. 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:40.160 So I thought Matthew Judon had a really good practice. 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:42.560 He was Hurts his pressure quite a bit, some of 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:45.640 those stories he made he made under duress. I thought 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:49.200 Patriot's pass rush was good, Judon was good, Gonzalez was better. 1:05:49.960 --> 1:05:52.439 He was really good against AJ Brown in one on ones, 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:54.640 which stood out, and then they put him more on 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:58.600 DeVonta Smith in team Yeah, and he was solid. I 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:02.640 thought he had a definitely that not if he'd had 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:05.480 that day going up against the Patriots receivers, I'd be 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:07.040 a little more worried. But to have the day he 1:06:07.080 --> 1:06:09.320 had against a J. Brown Defontet Smith, you feel pretty 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:13.520 good about it. I thought BYL. Peppers had a pretty 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:16.560 good day. You know, he was going up against Dallas Goddard, 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:19.160 had a couple of really physical pass breakups. So you know, 1:06:19.240 --> 1:06:21.640 three of the best players on the defense obviously, no duh. 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:24.720 I'd say the one guy under the radar Marco Wilson. Yeah, 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:27.800 was competitive throughout the day, and he's one of the favorites. 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:29.360 I think he might be the favorite at this point 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:32.320 for that second boundary spot as long as Jonathan Jones 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:35.120 out opposite Christian Zalez, and that obviously still a roster 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:39.840 spot even when Jones comes back. So I those were 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:43.160 the guys that mainly stood out to me. You know, 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:44.960 a couple others in there here or there, but but 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:48.040 Judon was a force, and I thought the defensive front 1:06:48.080 --> 1:06:51.000 as a whole represented well. There were just some times 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:53.520 that they got pressure and Jalen Hurts made a play anyway, 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:55.720 and I know that, Like, I think the number was 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:58.040 like twenty four to twenty seven or something for Jalen Hurts, 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:00.200 and people say, how did the defense look so good? 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:03.040 When he completed that many passes? A lot of those 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:05.280 were like two yard checkdowns. Yeah, a lot of those 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:06.680 were him just getting the ball out to get the 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:08.720 ball out. And that's the difference between him and a 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:11.400 guy like Kober Sat or Drake May. He's under pressure, 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:13.880 he was able to then handle it and make something 1:07:13.920 --> 1:07:15.880 happen because that's what goold quarterbacks do, even if that's 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:20.840 something wasn't exciting, but they pressured him a ton yesterday. 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:23.680 Yeah, that was my biggest takeaways as there was a 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:25.200 lot of heat on the quarterback. 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:26.640 And it kind of reminds me. Sorry, you remember the 1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:29.040 Week one game last year where he played decent even 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:31.200 though like they were in his face the whole game. Yeah, yeah, 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:31.840 it was kind of like that. 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:34.960 Yeah, I mean he's I think Jalen Hurts are really good. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:37.160 I think Jalen hurt is going to bounce back this year. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.720 And he looked like he was going in that. It 1:07:40.760 --> 1:07:42.600 looks like he's on his way to that based off 1:07:42.600 --> 1:07:45.560 of what we saw yesterday. The other thing I would 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:48.200 just say about what I saw defensively, I agree with 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.120 you with Christian Gonzalez, and I know this is becoming 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:55.880 a storyline with Christian Gonzalez. He is so far down 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:58.280 the list of the people I'm worried about with this team, 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:00.480 and I understand that people are just trying to be objective, 1:08:00.520 --> 1:08:04.080 and he has given up more catches in this camp 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:06.680 than I feel like he did as a rookie last year. 1:08:07.120 --> 1:08:08.880 But then I went back and looked at my notes 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:14.160 from the Green Bay joint practice yesterday, and he gave 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:17.280 up some plays to Christian Watson in those practices in 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:22.479 Green Bay. Yeah, so maybe I'm just misremembering him so 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:26.720 not completely, but like overrated his rookie camp just maybe 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:29.519 a little bit in my eye, in my top of mind. 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:32.320 And then they got into the regular season and he's 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:34.639 going toe to toe with AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:38.200 and Garrett Wilson and he's the rookie of the month. Right, Yeah, 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:40.759 so I get that. Yes, I agree that he's probably 1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:43.080 given up more catches in this camp than I was expecting. 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:45.599 And I would also say I totally understand that people 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:48.200 don't want to crown him yet off of four games 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:50.920 or really three and a half games from his rookie season. 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:54.680 But to me, he's one of those guys where when 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:57.800 the lights turn on for real, like he'll turn on 1:08:57.960 --> 1:09:01.080 for real and right now in practice, he just kind 1:09:01.080 --> 1:09:03.360 of goes to the motions a little bit at times, 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.120 which I don't love, but like it just is his 1:09:05.200 --> 1:09:08.840 personality and he's just not one of these he doesn't 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:11.519 he's not necessarily like one of those tie law type 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:13.880 of corners where it's like nobody ever completes a pass 1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:16.559 on me ever, right, Like, he's not necessarily his demeanor. 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:19.760 So I thought that yesterday he showed well against those 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:23.960 two receivers, and if that's the type of guy that 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:26.720 you're getting in game, and when I say show well, 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:29.080 I feel like he also turned it up maybe a 1:09:29.120 --> 1:09:31.320 notch because he was going up against AJ Brown and 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:33.519 DeVante Smith and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna treat 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:36.320 this like it's live, like this is real, and it 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:38.600 felt like he turned it up a little bit, and 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:41.000 I thought he was pretty decent. What did you see 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:43.120 and what have you thought of Keon White? 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:46.479 So far didn't stand out as much. I mean, he 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:49.080 was part of the pressure, but didn't I wouldn't say 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.479 he took over like maybe you were waiting for him 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:56.120 to do that wasn't bad, But I wouldn't. It wasn't 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:57.920 doesn't like immediately come to mind when I think of 1:09:57.960 --> 1:09:58.599 the best players. 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:01.840 Yeah, he's He's someone that I'm is a little bit 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:05.479 on my radar because I hear a lot of you know, 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:07.840 the people in the media tent saying that he's had 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:11.720 this great summer. And I'll fully admit that we take 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:15.000 an approach with us with us coverage wise that I 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:18.960 watch the offense most of the time for most of practice. 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:22.479 But he is someone that I'm still waiting to see 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:27.479 some of that finesse out of. And he can go 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:30.400 through blocks, and I have no doubt about that, he 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:32.160 can press blocks. I have no doubt about, you know, 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:34.479 standing up guys and things like that. I just don't 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:35.960 see him get off blocks a ton. 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:39.519 You're you're still really on this take. I just I 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:42.120 don't think anybody's saying he's going to be a top 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:43.360 five pass rusher in the league. 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:45.600 Yeah, I just like I'm on the take because in 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:47.599 order for him to take this leap that I keep 1:10:47.600 --> 1:10:53.320 hearing about, you can't just be a pure like it's 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:56.200 you can't just be a power rusher, like. He has 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:58.760 to have other tools in his tool belt for him 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:00.400 to be as good of a player as I hear 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:04.040 some people think that he's going to be if even 1:11:04.080 --> 1:11:06.320 if like you know, I think last week we mentioned 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:08.879 like Trey Flowers. Yeah, like even to get to trade flowers, 1:11:08.880 --> 1:11:14.320 He's gonna have to be more actually tangibly productive than 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:17.559 what I've seen in practice. Like I just I feel 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:20.599 like he's a linear athlete, and those types of guys 1:11:20.920 --> 1:11:23.639 that don't move well laterally and don't have a ton 1:11:23.680 --> 1:11:26.080 of wiggle or finesse or whatever you want to call 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:30.320 it or fluidity with their movements, those are guys that 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:32.439 get eat up a lot by blocks. Like you're just 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:34.679 gonna get kind of run into the line of scrimmage 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:36.840 and he just kind of gets swallowed, you know. Half 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:40.000 the time, I'm just not there with Keon White. I 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:41.760 don't know. I hear a lot of hype about him. 1:11:42.040 --> 1:11:43.920 I want to be there. I want to see it. 1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:46.439 I want to be like this guy is gonna take 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:49.600 over for Judaan and like make Judon expendable and just 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:50.040 trade out. 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.080 Yeah, I don't think he's like a takeover for Judon guy. 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:53.639 I don't think they have that guy. I guess ideally 1:11:53.800 --> 1:11:56.800 be joshu Ja. For me, it's like Tetrikwi's a little 1:11:56.840 --> 1:11:59.720 bit older, contracts almost up, Like it's more that role 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:01.800 for me, Like he's more of that kind of player. 1:12:01.880 --> 1:12:11.280 Fair enough, all right, Corey is in Charlotte. What's up? Corey? Hey? 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:11.880 How you doing? 1:12:12.080 --> 1:12:15.680 A good question? What do you guys think about? Like 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:19.240 just I know you mentioned Drake may is like it's 1:12:19.240 --> 1:12:21.800 an incomplete grade on and I agree with that. I 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:27.720 think because he's just not surrounded by better players, like 1:12:27.960 --> 1:12:30.479 just just starting with the ones on the old line, 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:32.920 starting with the ones with the wire Receiven tight ends 1:12:33.000 --> 1:12:35.439 and just let's let's just see what we got, because 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:37.760 I mean, we know what we know what PRIs set is, 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:41.000 we know what Bailey is. Like, I'm still shot Bailey 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:43.960 is still on it on the roster after that game 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:47.839 against the Panther, playing against guys who's gonna work at Walmart, 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:52.479 Like that's been unacceptable. And also because of Joe Joe 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:55.360 milsaying his skill set like put him I want to 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:58.599 see him with the one wide receivers in old line, 1:12:58.680 --> 1:13:01.240 just see what we got, because I I do believe 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:05.280 some players really just shine when they already surrounded by 1:13:05.400 --> 1:13:06.880 just better players. 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:08.559 And what do you. 1:13:08.600 --> 1:13:12.639 Guys think about the d overall against the Eagles one yesterday? 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:14.280 And I go there. 1:13:14.640 --> 1:13:16.479 All right, thanks to Corey, thanks for the call. Look, 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.240 I I you're preaching the choir about Drake Bay getting 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:22.000 some reps with the Ones, and I want to reiterate 1:13:22.040 --> 1:13:23.800 that to me, him getting reps with the Ones has 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:25.800 nothing to do with him starting Week one, Like we're 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:28.400 not We're right, we're too far past that point the 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:32.639 door never you said this earlier about like the offensive line, 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:34.920 and we're kind of at that point. We're at the 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:37.360 point now where Drake May starting early on in the 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:39.439 season or week one is off the table, Like it's 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:43.240 too late. He is not playing Week one against against Cincinnati. 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:46.120 What I'm more looking at it now is, okay, you 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:48.880 know he's been in here since May, since the draft 1:13:48.960 --> 1:13:54.160 rooking Mini camp ota is mini camp, training camp, preseason game. 1:13:54.960 --> 1:13:55.800 Where's he at? 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:56.080 Like? 1:13:56.120 --> 1:14:00.639 Can we just get a barometer of a met stick 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.160 to try to like measure up of where is he 1:14:03.800 --> 1:14:08.080 is he only is he not even close? Is he 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:11.200 seventy five percent? There is the eighty ninety whatever? I 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:14.120 don't know because of who he's working with and what's 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:16.479 going on around him. So if you can get him 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:18.479 some reps in practice with the ones towards the end 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:21.360 of training camp here and going into the regular season 1:14:21.360 --> 1:14:24.519 before they really need to give everything to Jacoe Brissett 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:27.080 because he's gonna be playing in the games. Let's give 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:30.679 him some opportunities now. Again, not to even talk about 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:33.320 him starting, but just to get to a point where 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:36.160 we can feel like we have some information about where 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:38.800 he's at. Maybe they're looking at the preseason games as that, 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:42.120 and maybe you know, this week, tomorrow and next Thursday, 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:43.760 we'll get like a really good look at him in 1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:46.240 the preseason. He'll play thirty snaps or something like that, 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:48.880 and that's where we'll go. But you're preaching to the 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:51.120 choir with that want to do three up, three down? 1:14:52.160 --> 1:14:53.360 Yeah, Well go one, we're calling up. 1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:57.240 Well, we'll get down in a second. Let's do three up, 1:14:57.240 --> 1:14:59.280 three down. We'll do the ups first and then we'll 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:00.960 take some of these other calls that are coming in 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:03.680 and then we'll go go to the downs. This is 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:06.479 sort of like a for me, this is kind of 1:15:06.479 --> 1:15:10.000 like going back to the last like week, right, Like 1:15:10.360 --> 1:15:11.840 I don't want to base it off of just one 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:15.680 practice or whatever. It's obviously the preseason game too, but 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:19.559 so let's call it the last like week of Patriots. Okay, football. 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:21.680 I weighed the last couple of days a little more, 1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:22.599 but that's fine. 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:25.479 My number one up, Pop Douglas. Yep, I think the 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:28.960 Pop Douglas has come alive. No more red non contact jersey. 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:34.120 He's been At times he's been literally unguardable, like like 1:15:34.240 --> 1:15:36.280 just especially in the slot on like the quick hitting 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:40.360 stuff over the middle. He's been truly a breath of 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:44.880 fresh air, like actually explosive, energetic receiver and has been 1:15:44.920 --> 1:15:48.720 opened a ton and and Kobe Brissett just continues to 1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:50.599 feed him like he's like, all right, this is obvious 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:53.200 that I'm going where I'm going with the football here. 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:55.640 I really excited what I've seen. How to pop. I 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:57.800 still think that the two biggest things though with him 1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:00.360 not to make everything all, you know, constantly go negative 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:04.080 on everything. What's his early down roll? Yeah, first and 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:05.760 ten from the twenty five and they want to run 1:16:05.800 --> 1:16:08.360 the ball, Like, what, how does he get on the field? 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:11.160 What's how does he factor into a twelve personnel? Is 1:16:11.200 --> 1:16:13.240 it just we're gonna put him out in the field 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:15.080 and we're gonna have him run jet sweeps and things 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:17.679 like that, and that's how we're gonna avoid him having 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:21.040 to block anybody for real? Or that's fine, But what's 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:24.200 his early down roll and how do you feed him 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:26.400 and keep him healthy? Right? Like that does that's a 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:28.600 big thing too. But in terms of actually on the 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:33.040 field with these with the production on the field in practice, 1:16:33.320 --> 1:16:36.000 Pop Douglas has been on the rise for sure. 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:38.920 Yeah, he's been excellent. Matt Dolff had a great line 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:41.240 that he's no longer wearing on contact jersey, but it 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:43.879 doesn't really matter because nobody can touch him anyway. Yeah, 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:45.760 the way he's running routes, he's been excellent. It's just 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:47.479 how he gets on the field and how he stays 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:49.320 on the field, that's the only question. If he stays healthy, 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:51.000 he can be a thousand yard receiver. But he's gonna 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:51.439 stay healthy. 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:52.679 Yep, all right, who's number two? 1:16:53.760 --> 1:16:56.040 I'm gonna say so, I'm gonna replace Pop in mind 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:57.599 because I had like a fourth, So we'll can't pop 1:16:57.600 --> 1:17:01.120 for you. Okay, I'm gonna say Matthew Judo, Okay. I've 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:04.599 been really impressed with him. He's been good. He's had 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:07.639 a couple of good practices at good practice yesterday. He's 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:11.639 clearly very involved, very engaged. He's playing with a ton 1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:14.800 of effort for a guy that's in his situation. I mean, 1:17:14.840 --> 1:17:16.320 you wouldn't know it. You would think the way he's 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:19.840 practicing right now. The contract situation was solved, and from 1:17:19.920 --> 1:17:24.360 where we were three weeks ago, that's something. Now, what 1:17:24.400 --> 1:17:26.720 this ultimately turns into in terms of his future, I 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:30.280 don't know, but boys, he had a good week and 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:32.839 a half of camp. Just objectively as a football player, 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:34.519 he's done everything you want to say. 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:38.759 Yeah, I really like his energy that he is coming back, 1:17:38.840 --> 1:17:41.439 Like I feel like when the contract stuff, really when 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:44.240 s really hit the fan with all that, he didn't 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:47.120 feel or seemed like Matthew judont to me in terms 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:49.400 of his energy and what he was bringing to the 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:53.640 table and that respect looks like he's back into that mindset. 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:56.400 Almost makes you wonder if there is something that's been 1:17:56.479 --> 1:17:58.840 agreed to in handshake agreement about. 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:00.599 It We've been saying that for weeks, like maybe it's 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:00.960 coming at. 1:18:00.920 --> 1:18:02.960 The end of camp or something. I don't know, Like 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:04.960 it's just odd that all of a sudden he just 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:07.840 is on board, you know, Like, yeah, I still know 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:10.080 if he's fully on board, Like sometimes I look at 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:12.120 him and I still feel like a little bit of 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:18.200 trepidation from him. But he's certainly much much better. His 1:18:18.240 --> 1:18:20.320 attitude is much better than where it was the beginning 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:25.439 of camp. So that's Number one for you is Judon, Yeah, okay, 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:28.840 Number two for me is Jeremiah Farms. I just wanted 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:30.479 to give him a shout out for the game last week. 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:35.679 Mostly Yeah, five quarterback pressures, awes sack, two stuffs, two 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:38.519 drawn holds on back to back plays in that game. 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:40.400 He was everywhere. He was the best player on the 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:42.320 field for the Patriots defense in a game where they 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:46.080 dominated defensively. He was excellent. He's on the team. I 1:18:46.120 --> 1:18:48.840 don't think that's the question. Yeah, he's gonna make the team, 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:51.839 and maybe they have something with him there. He can play. 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:56.240 I wouldn't necessarily put him over the nose all the time. 1:18:56.400 --> 1:18:59.000 I think he's more better stuited to play three technique 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:00.920 and the type of scheme that they want to run. 1:19:01.560 --> 1:19:03.720 But I was really impressed with him on film and 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:06.559 during the game live too, and I just feel like 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.679 he's he's a menace, Like he's really stepped up. We'll 1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:11.960 see what it looks like in the regular season. And 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:14.320 I'm not trying to tell you that it's one for one. Oh, 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:17.040 don't worry about Christian Barmore. Now, it's fine, But I 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:19.240 do feel like they needed somebody to come out of 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:21.879 the woodwork a little bit step up for Christian Barmore, 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:24.160 and Jeremiah Farms has taken that opportunity. 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:26.559 All right. So this one mine's basically based off of 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:31.760 practice yesterday. Yeah, kickoff unit. They gave the Eagles hell 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.280 and and look this rule. So you this rule is 1:19:35.320 --> 1:19:37.760 too new for me to know if this is more 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:40.400 the Eagles being bad at it or the Patriots being 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.280 good at it. But they had what six kickoffs during 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:45.160 that period? Yeap one ray Kwon Ricmillan comes down the 1:19:45.200 --> 1:19:48.720 field force as a fumble. They had another didn't like 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:51.160 that too much where they well get to that. They 1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:55.680 had another where they like line drives squibbed it and 1:19:55.800 --> 1:19:58.080 the the way the ball is spinning and where it 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:01.760 landed relative the returners. The returner was so disoriented he 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:04.200 picked up the ball and along the sideline. His next 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:06.240 step was out of bounds at the two yard line, 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:09.800 so you set the defense up at the two, and 1:20:09.800 --> 1:20:11.479 then they had another squib kick that looked like it 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:13.600 was gonna do the same thing, and I think the 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:15.960 Eagles just the frustration boiled over because he got a 1:20:16.000 --> 1:20:18.479 little bit of a shoving match there. Chapping happened right 1:20:18.520 --> 1:20:20.040 in front of Robert Kraft while he was live on 1:20:20.080 --> 1:20:24.200 the Sports Hub, which made for good radio. But yeah, 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:28.000 it was they. I think they threw some things that 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.839 the Eagles that the Eagles weren't expecting, and that's encouraging. 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:32.880 And even on kick return too, ray Quan McMillan did 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:36.200 a big block. Jamichael Hasey laid somebody out, which he's 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:36.840 not a big guy. 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:39.360 Yeah, that's what it seemed to me like the Eagles 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:43.559 were reacting to. Is ray Kwan McMillan leveled somebody and 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:46.840 it was maybe he was maybe at one percent and 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:49.439 everybody else was at one hundred. Fine, yeah, no, I'm 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:51.200 gonna say it's a bad thing. I'm I think that's why. 1:20:51.240 --> 1:20:52.600 No, But then you had that other one where it 1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:54.760 was like a perfectly placed squib kick, because some people 1:20:54.800 --> 1:20:56.680 will say, well, why not just let it roll out 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.000 of bounds if it's that close to the sideline. One 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:02.040 those low kicks, you don't have as much time to 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:04.120 react and you maybe lose track of where you are 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:06.719 on the field. Yeah, the other thing that's important to remember, 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:10.439 if the ball goes into like directly into the end 1:21:10.479 --> 1:21:13.360 zone or through the end zone, it's a touch back 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:17.000 to the thirty. If the ball lands in the landing 1:21:17.120 --> 1:21:20.400 zone then goes into the end zone and you kneel 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:23.679 on it or whatever, the touchback only goes to the twenty. 1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:28.080 So where the ball was rolling, it wasn't necessarily going 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:29.600 to roll out of bounds. It was probably going to 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.000 roll into the end zone just inside the pipeline. So 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:35.439 you probably want to feel that because you don't want 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:38.000 to start all the way back at the twenty. But again, 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:39.479 I don't think the guy knew where he was on 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:41.240 the field because the ball got to him so quick 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:45.080 and he's running, sprinting to get there that he steps 1:21:45.080 --> 1:21:48.920 out of bounds. So Patriots kickoff unit came ready yesterday. 1:21:48.920 --> 1:21:49.360 They were good. 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:54.559 Jeremy Springer up. Sure sounds like some of those things 1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:58.479 where maybe things that they wanted to try out schematically, right, 1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:01.160 like squid kicks and things like that. That's not something 1:22:01.160 --> 1:22:03.320 you did. The players are just doing on the flyout. 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:07.160 They've been that. That's that's a call. Yeah, and it's 1:22:07.280 --> 1:22:08.880 They're not the only team that's tried that. I mean, 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:10.960 this is We've seen a lot of teams try these things. 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:13.880 But it just I thought the execution was really good yesterday. 1:22:14.040 --> 1:22:17.360 Okay, there you go, Jemy Springer up. I love it. 1:22:17.600 --> 1:22:18.040 Uh. 1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:22.519 My third is Leyden Robinson. Okay, I think Laban Robinson 1:22:22.560 --> 1:22:26.320 has been the best of the rest, if you want 1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:27.800 to call him that. I hate to call it that way, 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:30.640 but like, yeah, take Andrews and on WHENU and like 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.000 you know, you know this the stal warts out of it, right, 1:22:33.040 --> 1:22:35.880 like the the entrenched starters out of it, looking at 1:22:35.880 --> 1:22:38.200 that next wave of offensive linemen of who might be 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:40.320 able to step up and push for playing time and 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:44.080 uh maybe make this thing better. Yeah, Leyden Robinson, I 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:46.240 thought it was great in the game last Thursday night. 1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:51.040 Really showed well, very physical, played through the whistle, finished 1:22:51.040 --> 1:22:53.800 blocks in the run game, held up well in pass 1:22:53.840 --> 1:22:56.200 pro gave up just a hurry and pass protection and 1:22:56.240 --> 1:22:58.120 a lot of snaps. He actually played I think the 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:02.639 most snaps out of anybody on the team offensively last week. 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:04.759 And then it was okay yesterday, won a couple reps 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:07.120 in one on ones against the Eagles, who kind of 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:09.479 dominated the one on ones and two v twos. I 1:23:09.479 --> 1:23:12.479 thought Leyden Robinson was was solid. It's hard to tell 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:15.760 with the second unit in practice because there's a lot 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:19.080 going on around him that's not very good. But he's 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:23.640 been okay so far. And I know I didn't put 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:25.800 him on the downs list, but cityso has been a 1:23:25.840 --> 1:23:28.439 little bit on my radar. I didn't think he was 1:23:28.479 --> 1:23:30.519 great in the game last week, kind of was playing 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:33.320 a little out of control and just missed some blocks 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:36.719 and things like that. And it wasn't great yesterday either. 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:40.000 I didn't feel like against the Eagles. So, whether it's 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:43.080 on Window going out to right tackle, whether it's Leyden 1:23:43.160 --> 1:23:49.000 Robinson starting to compete more levely, you know, So has 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:52.160 kind of been entrenched there at left guard since day one. 1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:55.000 Maybe Leyden Robinson starts to push him a little bit. 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:58.479 Maybe that, you know, makes both guys better, right, Hopefully, 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.960 iron sharp and iron. So I've liked what I've seen 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:04.479 from Laydon Robinson. I think they may have found it's 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:08.920 easier to find interior guys later in the draft, like 1:24:08.920 --> 1:24:11.439 on when he was a sixth round pick, Dave Anders undrafted, like, 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:14.000 it's easy to do that. So maybe they found something 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:15.920 with Laydon Robinson as a fourth round pick. 1:24:16.479 --> 1:24:19.680 Yeah, yeah, he's he's shown some progress, and then the 1:24:19.760 --> 1:24:21.360 question is just when and how do you get him 1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.439 in the lineup because the interior has been fine? And 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:26.120 are you moving Michael and Wennu what happens when Cole 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:29.120 Strange comes back? It's just moving pieces. But he looks 1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:30.519 like a guy that will probably get some run at 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:31.200 some point this year. 1:24:31.280 --> 1:24:32.320 Yep, all right, who's your third? 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:34.479 My third, Romandro Stevenson. 1:24:34.680 --> 1:24:37.240 Yeah, I just think he's. 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:41.040 Moving really well. Anybody who watches this show or any 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.519 of my shows knows one of my big pet peeves 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:45.600 with the team. One of my biggest pet peeves with 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:48.880 the team the last few years was the over usage 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:51.320 of Vermandra Stevenson. And I don't mean that to say 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:54.360 he's a bad player, because he's not. But any of 1:24:54.360 --> 1:24:56.599 these running but you look at these running back dominant teams. 1:24:56.600 --> 1:24:58.800 They always fall off late in the year because in 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:02.400 the modern NFL it's just so hard to maintain that level. 1:25:02.439 --> 1:25:04.920 And Stevenson was top ten in touches two years ago. 1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:07.200 He was top ten in touches last year before he 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:09.479 got hurt. And he told us at the end of 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.880 the twenty twenty two season that it was getting to him, 1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:17.599 like physically, the workload was impacting him. And you know, 1:25:17.680 --> 1:25:19.479 he missed what month month and a half at the 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:22.559 end of last year, with so a little extra time 1:25:22.560 --> 1:25:25.439 to kind of heal up, take care of his body 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:27.960 things like that. I think he said he didn't lose weight, 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:31.840 but redistributed it less body fat, more muscle, whatever it is. 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:35.719 He looks a little more lean, and he's just getting 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:37.360 in and out of cuts a little quicker. Things like that. 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:39.600 He's got a little extra something in his step. He 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:42.920 just looks healthy again. And I think that's good because 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:44.599 I think you're gonna see a better version. I've said 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:48.519 this before. If it's one hundred and eighty touches versus 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:51.080 two fifty, and I'm just using round numbers here, but 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:55.240 like it's not that necessarily I want him touching the 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:57.679 ball less because I think he's bad, but I think 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:01.320 you get more bang for your buck. I think ultimately 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:03.920 those one hundred and eighty or two hundred touches have 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:06.759 more value than two fifty the four to five touches 1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:09.240 a game that could maybe go to another running back. 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:11.680 Those add up by the time you get to like 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:15.599 Thanksgiving in December and into January. They have Antonio Gibson now, 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:17.760 who I think is a strong second option who I 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:20.479 think the coaching staff will be willing to use. So 1:26:20.960 --> 1:26:23.000 I think they're in a better position to manage his 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:25.200 workload better. I still think he's gonna be an important 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:26.600 part of the offense. I still think he's gonna be 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:28.920 very involved. But you know, I go back to the 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.080 Bailey's Appy game in twenty twenty two against the Lions 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:33.120 where they were up three scores with like three or 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:35.800 four minutes to go. Game's over, yeah, and they're just 1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:38.120 running half back dive or duo or whatever it was 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.920 with Ramondre Stevenson, and he's taking big hits, and it's like, 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:44.599 can Kevin Harris not do this? Like he doesn't need 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:46.360 to be taking these big hits and the game is over. 1:26:47.720 --> 1:26:49.639 I feel like He's gotten a good chance to heal 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:52.640 up after two very rough years, and I think that 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:53.800 bodes well for him this season. 1:26:53.960 --> 1:26:56.839 Yeah, he's looked good, and I feel like Antonio Gibson 1:26:56.840 --> 1:26:58.599 has looked as advertising. 1:26:58.160 --> 1:26:59.000 He's looked pretty good too. 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:03.320 Yeah. Yes, I think both those guys are trending in 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:06.479 the right direction for the season. And Ramano Stevenson to 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.160 me just looks a little bit more like he was 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:11.439 a couple of years ago breaking tackles. You know, in 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:14.200 that preseason game, he bounces one outside, breaks the tackle 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:16.760 eleven yards, Like those were the types of runs that 1:27:16.760 --> 1:27:20.200 he was making two years ago, you know, in twenty 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.200 two at the beginning, and then in twenty one even 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:25.000 when he was getting those opportunities, and then last year 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:29.719 his yards after contact numbers plummeted. They were just terrible, 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:32.360 like a full yard less than what it was the year. 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.080 And I think it was just physically he was worn down. 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:37.360 Yeah, and you know some of that was like he 1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:39.680 was getting contacted earlier in the play. And I have 1:27:39.760 --> 1:27:41.919 all the fancy next gen stats that I could probably 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:45.599 like rid him a blame of everything from last year, 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:50.120 right with his production, but his yards per his yards 1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:54.559 per carry average. Ye, just the raw number was one 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:59.120 yard less exactly, and then his yards after contact was 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:02.120 one yard less exist So there you go. He wasn't 1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:06.479 breaking tackles the last year. He wasn't finishing runs last year, 1:28:06.520 --> 1:28:08.160 and I hopefully he's getting back to that way. 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:09.240 I think you might see him He had a good 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:10.920 stiff arm in the in the preseason game. But I 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:14.120 think you might see him start running around guys more 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:16.280 as much as through them, just because he looks a 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:18.040 little quicker and it keeps you healthier. 1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:20.080 So yeah, see, I love it. All right, let's do downs, 1:28:20.120 --> 1:28:22.280 then we'll answer the calls and we'll talk about tomorrow night. 1:28:23.000 --> 1:28:27.160 My number one down uh to me? Right now, the 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:31.960 three most important figures in the Patriots organization are all down. 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:36.400 Elliot Wolf, Grod Mayo, Alex van Pelt. We gotta be better, 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:39.760 Elliot Wolf. The tackles are on you, okay. We've been 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:42.360 talking about it since March. I gave you a chance, 1:28:43.320 --> 1:28:46.240 I gave you my trust. I said, I will allow 1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:49.000 you to show me that chuk sikora For is going 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:51.200 to be viable, and show me that Mike on When 1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:54.839 is a right tackle. I was skeptical, but I allowed 1:28:54.840 --> 1:29:00.400 for it not working. Right, your plan's not working already 1:29:00.400 --> 1:29:02.720 back to right tackle? On when who's already back to 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:06.280 right guard? You lied to me? Okay? I feel hurt 1:29:06.360 --> 1:29:10.559 by that. Okay, down, Drod. Mayo to me is down 1:29:10.920 --> 1:29:15.360 mainly because I feel like it's a little Felger and Mazzie, 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:18.439 But I kind of agree with them on this. I've 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:22.519 like stopped deflecting blame to AVP. Like he gets up 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:24.360 there and he and they ask him about the reps 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:26.400 for the quarterbacks and he's like, well, that's like an 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:27.240 AVP question. 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:29.519 I think Alex van Pelt's the head coach of the offense. 1:29:29.560 --> 1:29:30.880 I think it's that kind of setup. 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:33.000 And he said that, but like, you guys still need 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:35.200 to be on the same page. Well, like the communication 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:37.559 still needs to be there of why this is happening. 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:40.320 Or what I would say is, at what point, if 1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:43.160 it's clearly not working, does Mayo go to Alex van 1:29:43.200 --> 1:29:45.000 Pelt and say, I'm the head coach? Change it? Yeah? 1:29:45.200 --> 1:29:45.320 Right? 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:48.360 At what point? And in addition to the quarterback reps 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:50.080 with the offensive line? I wonder if there's a point 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:52.360 Mayo goes and says, I don't know what you're doing Like, 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:55.240 I've given you a chance to try this. Put Mike 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:57.880 back out at right tackle, get Lane Robinson in there, 1:29:58.080 --> 1:29:59.960 get the rookie in a left tackle, or get Calum 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:02.439 Anderson and left tackle, Like you need to do something different. 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:03.880 This group isn't the answer. 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:08.400 Yeah, it whether he wants it's fair. And I actually 1:30:09.120 --> 1:30:13.320 I understand where he's coming from with the offense. He's 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:15.880 not an offensive guy, right, He's a green head coach. 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:18.599 He's first year head coach. And I actually kind of 1:30:18.680 --> 1:30:21.120 like that he knows his limitations, right, Like he knows 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:24.160 that he's not trying to coach offense, Like he knows 1:30:24.160 --> 1:30:26.400 that that's not his side of the football. But to 1:30:26.479 --> 1:30:28.240 your point, like the buck stops with him at the 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:30.920 end of the day, and when things aren't working, it 1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:34.320 is his job to supervise the people that he put 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:36.920 in charge to run things. And right now I don't 1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:39.439 feel like he's being a very good supervisor, if that 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:44.080 makes sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, And then AVP. I don't 1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:45.920 know what's going on with the quarterbacks. I don't know 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:48.479 why Drake may is not playing in preseason games. I 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:50.400 have no idea what's going on with the offensive line. 1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:53.120 That's a train wreck. All of it just seems like 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:57.920 a mess right now. The procedural penalties that the nine 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:01.240 penalties I said yesterday, the bots as this is not 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:04.840 gonna cut it, this is this is not it. So 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:05.679 he's on the down most. 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:07.320 Yeah, so I kind of phrased this differently. I was 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.280 just gonna say, like the plan, Yeah, the plan on offense, 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:14.240 going back to march, going back to free agency and 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:16.880 all of it. Yeah, the things we spend hours about 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:20.719 on the show in terms of the tackles and things 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:23.960 like that, like the personnel plan is coming up short 1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:24.360 right now. 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.240 I have a very simple rule. Do you and I 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:28.960 spend a lot of time on this kind of stuff. 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:31.920 We're probably a little bit more educated on it than most, 1:31:32.360 --> 1:31:34.719 But we are not coaches and we are not general managers. 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:37.800 If we can see the train and we're standing on 1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:39.439 the tracks and the train is coming and we can 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:42.759 see it coming and they can't, that's a problem because 1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:47.160 you and I are not general managers. We're not Elliott Wolf. 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:49.960 We weren't raised by our father, who was a Hall 1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:51.960 of Fame general manager and has been in the league 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:54.760 for twenty years scouting, right, and we're not Drod Mayo, 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:57.040 who is a pro bowler and then a head coach. 1:31:57.080 --> 1:31:59.599 And we're not at that level. We get that here. 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.360 Some people think we don't, but we get it. We're 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:04.439 not on their level. But so have us. 1:32:04.439 --> 1:32:06.400 Simpleton, you're telling me all those hours I've logged on 1:32:06.479 --> 1:32:08.519 mad and mean nothing. Yes, that's fair. 1:32:09.479 --> 1:32:13.760 If us simple folk down here can tell you that 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:18.519 this tackle depth chart ain't gonna work in an NFL game, 1:32:19.160 --> 1:32:21.000 then you should know it's not going to work. And 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:24.040 now if you're gonna sit here and tell me be patient, 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:28.160 Calvin Banks Junior's coming, Will Campbell's coming, Like that's gonna 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:30.680 be the plan. We're gonna worry about this next year. 1:32:31.200 --> 1:32:33.599 I hear you. But you still need to be at 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:36.519 a point where you're functional enough at the rest of the. 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:39.720 Audiene stop gap. You know who they need. Ironically, and 1:32:39.800 --> 1:32:42.200 I kind of wrote this last night in my mail bag, 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:44.000 and I'm actually curious what you think of this. Yeah, 1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:46.639 and I know we got a couple more calls to get, 1:32:46.640 --> 1:32:48.639 so I'll try to be quick with this. But somebody 1:32:48.720 --> 1:32:52.200 asked me, is it an organizational failure? The Patriots have 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:54.519 need at least one starting tackle since twenty nineteen and 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:59.400 refused to address it. And yes, yes, and no, I 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:01.439 don't know that they refuse to address it. I think 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:02.639 this all goes back to eighteen. 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:05.800 In eighteen, so Nate Solder leaves after the twenty seventeen season, 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:08.280 right yep. In eighteen, they draft Isaiah Win to be 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:11.200 the left tackle, and they signed Trent Brown as or 1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:13.800 they trade for Trent Brown whatever it was, as an 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:16.880 insurance plan, and Isaiah Win blows out his achilles in 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:20.080 the preseason. Trent Brown gives them really good left tackle 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:21.439 play in twenty eighteen. 1:33:21.720 --> 1:33:23.920 All right, they move on from Brown. We drafted Isaiah Win. 1:33:24.720 --> 1:33:27.280 I don't necessarily blame them for not adding another tackle 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:29.479 in that window because you used a first round pick 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:32.439 on this guy, and the goal was for him to 1:33:32.439 --> 1:33:33.880 be the left tackle and they wanted to give him 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:37.479 a chance. So that's nineteen. That's twenty. They bring Trent 1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:40.080 Brown back, and this is where you maybe go to 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:42.960 the organizational failure of it. Beyond the player development of 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:47.599 Isaiah Win. Trent Brown almost became a binkie. They couldn't 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:50.559 quit Trent Brown. We have Trent Brown as an option 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:52.560 in our back pocket, and I kind of understand it, 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:55.360 and I get it, and well that's going. They didn't 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:57.280 do that for nothing. They did it because they had 1:33:57.400 --> 1:33:59.920 They needed to address quarterback, they need to address receiver, 1:34:00.280 --> 1:34:03.040 they needed to address corner, and they basically were able 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:07.439 to continuously say, we have Trent Brown for now, we 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:12.080 have other significant needs. Let's address the other significant needs, 1:34:12.120 --> 1:34:14.439 and we have Trent Brown in our back pocket. And 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:16.720 what you're seeing that they don't have a Trent Brown now. 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:22.200 They continue to address other needs. Quarterback, receiver, were needs. 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:25.000 They addressed those, they try to address them a receiver 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:27.560 to a bigger extent. In terms of free agency, I 1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:29.800 think they went all in on Calvin Ridley and maybe 1:34:29.880 --> 1:34:33.000 let some other free agents go, but there is no 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:35.439 Trent Brown to come save them. And I think that's 1:34:35.479 --> 1:34:37.840 why they're in this spot now because maybe it was 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:39.560 supposed to be Riley Reef, maybe it was supposed to 1:34:39.600 --> 1:34:43.000 be Calvin Anderson, the guys they signed last year. That 1:34:43.760 --> 1:34:45.280 that to me is how they ended up in this spot. 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:49.200 They didn't have that veteran in their back pocket. Maybe 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:51.600 the veterans they thought they were gonna have chookes of 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:54.760 corps for were never realistically going to be on that level. 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:58.800 Yeah, that's a really a fair point with Trent Brown 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:03.320 because I almost couldn't quit him either, because when he's on, 1:35:03.600 --> 1:35:06.080 he's When he's on, he's great. Yeah. His tape is 1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:09.040 like top twenty left tackle in the NFL. 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:10.640 And I think it was always there was never a 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:13.160 ton of competition because teams didn't want to deal with him. Yeah, 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:15.800 and there was always a lot like they were just 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:16.880 they were perfect for each other. 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:20.040 Yeah. Yeah, and he's not a bad player when when 1:35:20.040 --> 1:35:23.040 he's mentally locked in and he's focused. So it is 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:24.880 you see it and you're like, okay, you know, I 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:26.760 if we can keep him on the rails, like I 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:28.640 get it the one and let me. 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:31.120 Just that's not necessarily me saying they should have resigned 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:33.680 Trent Brown. Yeah, but it's how did we get to it? 1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:36.479 Because I think that that relationship was done both ways. 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:38.000 It was done both sides. 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:39.719 When he went out and I think it was Dakota 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:42.000 Randall it when he was yetness and still like that. 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:44.120 You can't give that interview and then come back. 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:47.680 Right, yeah that, but how did we get here? 1:35:48.040 --> 1:35:48.240 Yeah? 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:52.000 I think a lot of it is they Isaiahen didn't work. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:53.760 You can say they picked the wrong guy, they failed 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:56.719 to develop him. Whatever you want to call that, Isaiwen 1:35:56.720 --> 1:35:58.960 didn't work. They were able to lean on Trent Brown 1:35:58.960 --> 1:36:01.479 where they fixed other whole on the roster, and then 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:04.400 the clock ran out on Trent Brown before they were 1:36:04.439 --> 1:36:07.120 able to actually get that next tackle in place. So 1:36:07.280 --> 1:36:10.320 my one, if you want to call that mismanagement of 1:36:10.479 --> 1:36:14.720 assets or you know, a lack of addressing, that's semantics. 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:16.679 At that point, I'd argue it's more of an asset 1:36:16.760 --> 1:36:20.120 of mismanagement of assets than a refusal to address. 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:25.000 But sure, I guess it's not even a pushback on that. 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:29.439 It's just more I agree with the philosophy or the 1:36:29.520 --> 1:36:32.760 point that you and I do. Drive have been doing 1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:36.720 the draft together for how long. Every single draft we've 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:39.519 ever covered together, tackle has been in need, right, every 1:36:39.560 --> 1:36:42.639 single one, Because I think nineteen was probably the first 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:45.680 full draft we covered together. Yeah, and it was a need. 1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:48.519 Then they drafted Yadnika just in the third round of 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:51.400 that draft. It's been a need for every single draft 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:55.120 since twenty nineteen. I'm not necessarily asking them in that 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:58.280 span to take a first round pick again after they 1:36:58.360 --> 1:37:00.519 took one with Isaiah Win And we're kind of giving 1:37:00.600 --> 1:37:05.120 that leash to Isaiah win but they they probably should 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:07.040 have used another top one hundred on a tackle. 1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:09.280 Probably, well they try again, So they tried Yadney could 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:13.320 just had injury issues, not top one hundred, but they 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:16.240 took two and twenty twenty one was Michael in the 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:18.599 sixth round. One was Mike and Winu who was never 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:20.640 going to be a left tackle, but he was a 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:24.240 guard in college, right, he's a guard? The other or 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:27.960 when did they draft Justin Huran? That was yes, so 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:30.320 because they also drafted didn't they draft William Sherman that 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:34.120 year too? Was okay? So like Justin Ran, you could 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:36.040 argue a guy maybe they gave up on too soon 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:39.400 because he was serviceable. He was probably never long term, 1:37:39.520 --> 1:37:42.599 but they tried, they they and I that's that's why 1:37:42.600 --> 1:37:46.280 I go back to how much do you realistically try? 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:49.400 What is the window where it's acceptable to use a 1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:52.800 premium ass set on a player after using a first 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:57.439 round pick at that position? Like when does he to? Okay? 1:37:57.680 --> 1:37:59.760 So fair and so I but what did they what 1:37:59.840 --> 1:38:02.240 did they do in twenty two before the draft? But 1:38:02.320 --> 1:38:05.000 I look at twenty two, Yeah, and you know where 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:05.600 I'm going with this? 1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:07.559 Yeah, Cole Strange. 1:38:07.800 --> 1:38:10.400 But but if they had drafted Tyler Smith instead of 1:38:10.439 --> 1:38:11.880 col Strane and we're not in this mess. 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:13.639 What did they do in twenty two before the draft. 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:15.080 But was their first personnel moved. 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:19.240 That offseason trading Shack Mason. No, they traded for Trent Brown. Oh, 1:38:19.840 --> 1:38:21.200 I think that was twenty two, right, They. 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:24.200 Traded Patform back for him. Might have been, which is 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:26.719 kind of my point. They they always they they wanted 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:29.040 to address Oh was twenty one, but they had him. 1:38:29.320 --> 1:38:32.640 I think they Yeah, they maybe they resigned. Yeah, So 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:35.360 March twenty first, they re signed Trent Brown to a 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:36.760 two year, fourteen million dollar deal. 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:39.519 Yeah. Right, And and we had talked a lot before 1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:42.400 they resigned him. We thought he was gone, yeah, because 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:43.759 it hadn't gone well the year before. 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:44.920 We thought he was gone. 1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:47.080 He went to the Raiders and then the Raiders cut 1:38:47.160 --> 1:38:48.000 him and they brought him back. 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.439 They they traded for him in twenty one. 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:53.120 Or they traded for him from the Raid, right, but 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:53.600 he was in. 1:38:54.080 --> 1:38:56.040 It was in the last year of his deal. Yeah, 1:38:56.160 --> 1:38:57.720 and we thought he was gone. He was gone. He 1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:00.240 was gonna go chase big money again. They wanted to 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:03.439 address guard. They wanted to address receiver Taekwon Thornton, right, 1:39:03.520 --> 1:39:05.560 they wanted to address other things. So what did they do? 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:08.280 They went back out and they re signed Trent Brown. 1:39:09.400 --> 1:39:11.080 The twenty two draft. That's really where it hit. 1:39:12.200 --> 1:39:13.880 Twenty two would have been the time. You're right, twenty 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:15.519 two would have been time to address it. But I'm 1:39:15.560 --> 1:39:17.800 telling you that's what I think addressing it was was 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:18.679 trading for Trent Brown. 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:21.439 Okay, So on the same note, I guess we can. 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:23.160 I can just kind of talk about. 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:24.599 This even Oh, that's right, we're doing ups and downs. 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:28.400 Yeah, second down here, just the entire offensive tackle depth chart, 1:39:29.000 --> 1:39:31.559 just from top to bottom. I think A quarters four 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:33.840 has been the probably the best out of the group. 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:38.400 And that's saying best very very lightly. But he's been okay. 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:43.160 He's been fine at right tackle. A left tackle, whether 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:45.920 it's Vaderian Low or Calvin Anderson who's been wrapping at 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:48.320 left tackle for the most part. With this twos has 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:51.920 been terrible. They had Caden Wallace. It seemed like Kayden 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:53.519 Wallace was on a fast track and he was in 1:39:53.600 --> 1:39:56.400 a good spot early on in camp. That has completely 1:39:56.560 --> 1:39:58.880 that train has slowed completely down, And I don't know 1:39:58.920 --> 1:40:02.080 what's going on with that? So your top four tackles 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:07.040 right now, of low a core four Anderson Wallace, I 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:11.519 can confidently say that I maybe think they have one starter, yeah, 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:15.160 in a core four, and then like one like Wallace 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:17.800 is still kind of an unknown, so I'll give him that. 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:20.240 That is, I think Walls could be a starting caliber 1:40:20.360 --> 1:40:22.880 level player, but only at the position that chooks a 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:24.040 core for places right, So. 1:40:24.439 --> 1:40:28.840 They have no left tackle. They have no depth at 1:40:28.920 --> 1:40:31.799 tackle because I don't think that Vederian lower Calvin Anderson's 1:40:31.840 --> 1:40:34.120 even capable depth at this point. 1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:37.080 I think Calvin Anderson's a decent swing. 1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:39.120 I don't think you have to see him trying to 1:40:39.160 --> 1:40:44.599 block Nolan's That's fair. Uh So their tackle situation exactly, 1:40:44.720 --> 1:40:47.479 I'll I'll give you guys the credit because I wasn't 1:40:47.520 --> 1:40:50.600 able to on them on March exactly where all of 1:40:50.680 --> 1:40:54.360 you thought it would be. On August fourteenth, their tackle 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:56.640 situation is where it is. 1:40:56.720 --> 1:40:59.080 You know. I mean, I couch my takes more than anybody. 1:40:59.160 --> 1:41:01.160 I put more qualified and my takes and anybody give 1:41:01.200 --> 1:41:03.080 myself away to weasel out of being wrong. I did 1:41:03.160 --> 1:41:05.599 not do that on that take. That take, I pounded 1:41:05.640 --> 1:41:05.960 the table. 1:41:06.320 --> 1:41:08.120 I gotta be protect myself a little bit. 1:41:09.720 --> 1:41:13.240 My second down U Chad Rown? Oh no, I just 1:41:13.400 --> 1:41:16.280 I think he let Joey Slide catch up Joey Slid. 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:18.599 So Joey Sides jacked by the way Joey size Hugh 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:21.280 So we talked to Joey sly the other day. Yeah, 1:41:21.400 --> 1:41:23.519 super nice guy. We spent a lot of time talking 1:41:23.520 --> 1:41:26.040 about golf. Some of it out relates to kicking, but 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:28.840 just also kind of golf. Okay, don't too long on this. 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:31.920 You talked them for fourteen minutes. It was absurd, It's great. 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:33.880 We had great, We had a great. 1:41:33.920 --> 1:41:34.920 Cop looked over. 1:41:34.880 --> 1:41:37.200 Three times and Joey Slide was still talking. 1:41:37.760 --> 1:41:38.800 Yeah, he was enjoying it. 1:41:39.360 --> 1:41:42.280 I think that was the longest non quarterback press conference 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:42.719 of the summer. 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:46.800 What is your problem with that? Me, Bob Socy, Brian Hines? 1:41:46.800 --> 1:41:47.519 Who else was there? 1:41:47.720 --> 1:41:47.760 For? 1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:49.439 Good conversation with the guy? 1:41:49.640 --> 1:41:50.880 So Joey Slide. 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:54.479 After thirteen minutes of talking golf, yeah, somebody asked him 1:41:54.479 --> 1:41:56.519 about the kickoff and he talked like, yeah, you know, 1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:58.160 he compared it to golf. He was like, I used 1:41:58.200 --> 1:41:59.760 to be the driver, the big leg kick it through 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:01.920 the end. Now you getta get the wedge out and 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:04.280 drop the ball in there, and it's more strategic, and 1:42:04.360 --> 1:42:06.599 he kind of threw in at the end. And also, 1:42:06.640 --> 1:42:08.320 I know I might be in a position tackle more. 1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:10.960 I'm excited for that and I'm ready for it. Didn't 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:13.280 say he's okay with it, said he's excited for it. 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:15.400 He gain big dude. I'm like, of course you're excited 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:19.360 for You're gonna take somebody's head off. Anyway, he had. 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:22.679 They did this drill. Was this on Sunday? 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:23.960 Yeah, thirty more seconds. 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:27.640 They did this drill on Sunday where it was the 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:29.680 four live field goals reach kicker like they've done at 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:31.479 the end of each practice, get off your phone, listen 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:35.360 to me. Nope, but they had like the entire team 1:42:35.960 --> 1:42:40.080 in a semi circle around the kicker just yelling at 1:42:40.200 --> 1:42:42.519 him and like jumping up and down his face, waving 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:45.160 his arms. De Marcus Covington was really into it. Tetrika 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:48.559 was really into it, and Sly was the better kicker 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:51.680 that he's still perfect from fifty plus. Ryland I think 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:53.679 is one for three from fifty plus in this camp. 1:42:54.000 --> 1:42:57.000 Ryland also had his first miss from the forty yard range. 1:42:57.000 --> 1:42:58.160 He missed a forty eight yarder. 1:42:58.280 --> 1:43:00.680 Okay, so just as some of miss up because I'm 1:43:00.680 --> 1:43:05.280 falling asleep, Joey Sly right now, if you had to 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:07.280 call it right now, Joey SLID's your. 1:43:07.280 --> 1:43:10.040 Kicker, I'd still maybe go look elsewhere. But between the 1:43:10.080 --> 1:43:11.240 two of them, I'd go Joey Slide. 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:16.000 Yeah, I'm okay with rolling with the Sly guy. I'm 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:18.639 alright with it. He's got a big leg, He's gonna 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:21.040 give him some distance. Like their offense is not going 1:43:21.120 --> 1:43:23.000 to be able to drive the ball consistently. 1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:24.720 So what it comes down to right now between the 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:26.200 kickers to me, do you want the guy that's more 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:28.880 reliable from thirty to forty nine but that's his range, 1:43:28.960 --> 1:43:30.400 or do you want the guy that can step out 1:43:30.439 --> 1:43:31.519 maybe give you a fifty plus? 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:33.880 What I like about Joey Sli's got a bigger leg, yep, 1:43:33.920 --> 1:43:36.640 and he's got a little bit more moxie. Yeah, you know, 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:40.080 last year Ryland turned into a puddle. I saw that. 1:43:40.320 --> 1:43:43.400 I don't need that again. I'll take the guy that's 1:43:43.439 --> 1:43:45.960 got a little bit more moxie and has a little 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:49.560 bit more leg. All right, done, Joey Sly, I'm with 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:53.439 you all right, last one here for me, I would 1:43:53.479 --> 1:43:57.519 just say that in general, the cornerback depth is something 1:43:57.560 --> 1:44:00.360 that's creeped up a little bit. You know, we we've 1:44:00.439 --> 1:44:03.679 had a lot of data now of no Jonathan Jones 1:44:03.720 --> 1:44:06.080 and no Marcus Jones because of the injuries, and I 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:10.320 think Jonathan Jones is mostly just veteran management. But regardless, 1:44:10.600 --> 1:44:13.400 we've seen a lot of Marco Wilson, Alex Austin, Isaiah 1:44:13.439 --> 1:44:17.280 Bolden that next group. I was hoping that group would 1:44:17.280 --> 1:44:19.920 be a little bit better. And then obviously when you 1:44:20.080 --> 1:44:23.400 supplement that with Gonzo being just okay in camp and 1:44:23.520 --> 1:44:26.559 not like dominant in camp, that probably doesn't help things either. 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:28.760 Marco Wilson, I'm with you. I think you mentioned this 1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:30.920 earlier has probably been the best. Yeah, and I would 1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:33.240 now probably have him on my roster projection, which I 1:44:33.280 --> 1:44:36.240 haven't had him on yet. I think he's on for 1:44:36.360 --> 1:44:39.160 me now, but I'll throw Sean Wade into that too. 1:44:39.200 --> 1:44:41.760 I didn't mention him dial. You know, those guys, it 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:44.720 just feels to me like there's still a little bit 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:48.280 I'm not one hundred percent sure how deep they are anymore. 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:50.920 So I always hate doing this, but it's more of 1:44:51.000 --> 1:44:53.200 a can't make the club from the top down. Yeah, 1:44:53.320 --> 1:44:56.280 Sean Wade missing these last few practices sucks because it 1:44:56.439 --> 1:45:00.439 felt like he was making real momentum, making a towards 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:03.000 a roster spot. Now he's not out there the repping 1:45:03.080 --> 1:45:06.599 Isaiah Bolden in the slot, which Wade's natural slot ability 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:09.040 was the best, like the biggest thing he had going 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:12.000 for him towards making the roster. This is just this 1:45:12.120 --> 1:45:13.800 is valuable time he's missing right here, and I think 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:15.840 it's really gonna hurt his chances to make the team. Yeah, 1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:18.280 he didn't do anything wrong, Like guys get hurt, it happens, 1:45:18.360 --> 1:45:19.920 but that's the reality of it. If you get hurt 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:22.040 and somebody else steps up, that job might not be 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:22.960 there when he come back. 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:25.400 Yeah, I think I would. Now if I had to 1:45:25.479 --> 1:45:27.760 redo my roster projection, I probably have Marco Wilson on 1:45:27.840 --> 1:45:28.479 and set Wade. 1:45:28.560 --> 1:45:30.280 So I had I had Isaiah Bolden as the odd 1:45:30.320 --> 1:45:31.880 man out of my last one, I'm gonna switch those 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:32.519 on my next one. 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:35.840 I think, Yeah, really quickly before I take these calls 1:45:35.880 --> 1:45:39.000 and wrap a little bit of NFL news, JJ McCarthy 1:45:39.080 --> 1:45:41.559 out for the year. Torn meniscus, all right, so that's 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:46.200 all right, full of meniscus repair, which means that he 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:47.360 is now out for the year. 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:50.320 So to relate it back to the pay and obviously, 1:45:50.479 --> 1:45:51.960 you know, hoping the best for the hint for him 1:45:52.000 --> 1:45:54.479 and the Viking and all that whatever. To relate it 1:45:54.479 --> 1:45:56.280 back to the Patriots, because it is a Patriots show. 1:45:57.200 --> 1:45:59.720 This is it is gonna be interesting to see what 1:45:59.760 --> 1:46:01.760 happen with him in terms of his development. This is 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:05.559 a valuable, valuable year. He is losing. Forget not playing 1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:07.720 in games, not being at practice. I'm sure he'll still 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:09.920 be around and being the meeting rooms, but it's tougher 1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:12.800 to be engaged in that way. This is why you 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:14.840 have to be so careful with Drake May when it 1:46:14.920 --> 1:46:15.920 comes to the offensive line. 1:46:16.200 --> 1:46:18.240 I didn't see the play exactly that he got hurt on. 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:20.320 Did he get hurt on a contact injury or. 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:22.600 It was I don't think anybody knows it was a 1:46:22.640 --> 1:46:24.840 practice thing, because coming out of the game, nobody was 1:46:24.880 --> 1:46:25.360 saying anything. 1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:25.600 No. 1:46:25.680 --> 1:46:26.960 I think it was in the game. I saw a 1:46:27.000 --> 1:46:29.519 report yesterday that at some point in the game he 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:31.639 went to the sideline and said his knee felt weird. Yeah, 1:46:31.680 --> 1:46:33.680 and they're like all right, we'll run test. But he 1:46:33.720 --> 1:46:35.479 didn't take a big hit, he didn't get rolled up on. 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:38.600 It was a very much it's football, and that's you know, 1:46:38.800 --> 1:46:40.360 you risk that with Drake May every time you put 1:46:40.439 --> 1:46:41.800 him out there, and you have to take that risk 1:46:41.800 --> 1:46:45.360 to when it's a cautionary tale. But I wouldn't even 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:47.280 say caution Well, I guess it is the people. There 1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:48.880 are gonna be people who look at Drake May seven 1:46:48.920 --> 1:46:50.720 snaps and say, we'll say this is why you don't 1:46:50.760 --> 1:46:53.040 risk him. But I think it also shows you like 1:46:54.080 --> 1:46:57.880 this is this has the potential to massively alter his career. 1:46:57.960 --> 1:47:00.760 And people point to Joe Burrow. Burrow plaid three months 1:47:00.800 --> 1:47:03.680 before he tours ACL or before got hurt as a 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:07.320 rookie towards ACL. That was his rookie, right, he played 1:47:07.320 --> 1:47:10.519 three months. He got enough data that you know, missing 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:13.200 as much time as JJ McCarthy's gonna miss like he's 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:16.120 behind now he's behind his development. This is another guy 1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:19.560 like Drake May that is a project and it it 1:47:20.200 --> 1:47:22.280 it'll be interesting to see how this impacts and moving forward. 1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:26.600 Also good chance for Sam Darnold, who Minnesota's had a 1:47:26.640 --> 1:47:27.200 decent summer. 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:31.560 Okay, just my quick thing on JJ McCarthy. And this 1:47:31.680 --> 1:47:34.040 is not an Andrew Luck moment. Okay, I'm not rooting 1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:35.920 for injuries. I'm not happy that he's hurt. 1:47:36.080 --> 1:47:38.200 Well, according to you, Andrew Luck didn't retire because of jury. 1:47:38.320 --> 1:47:39.719 You know what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying 1:47:39.760 --> 1:47:42.080 to like be an a hole about this, right, I'm 1:47:42.120 --> 1:47:44.720 not rooting for injuries. I'm not happy he's hurt, none 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:46.960 of those types of things. But a part of me 1:47:47.680 --> 1:47:49.920 is a little bit okay with the fact that he's 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:53.040 not gonna play this year. Because we said it on 1:47:53.360 --> 1:47:55.719 during the draft, I can pull the receipts. I remember 1:47:55.800 --> 1:47:59.000 saying this during right after the draft that because he's 1:47:59.040 --> 1:48:01.880 playing in Kevin o'c donald's offense with Justin Jefferson and 1:48:01.960 --> 1:48:05.160 Jordan Addison, if JJ McCarthy got on the field early on, 1:48:05.360 --> 1:48:07.280 he was going to look better than Drake Man. Oh yeah, 1:48:07.560 --> 1:48:09.519 it was gonna be kind of like a Mac Jones situation, 1:48:09.720 --> 1:48:14.080 right and uh, and now, just if JJ, if Drake 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:16.479 May was sitting and holding the clipboard for the entire year, 1:48:16.880 --> 1:48:19.759 JJ McCarthy is having a good rookie season in Minnesota. 1:48:20.200 --> 1:48:22.200 As you like to say sometimes Alex, that would not 1:48:22.320 --> 1:48:24.280 have been good for the brand, all right, that would 1:48:24.280 --> 1:48:28.040 not have been ever said, yes, yeah, that would not 1:48:28.120 --> 1:48:30.200 have been good for the brand. That that would have 1:48:30.240 --> 1:48:32.880 been tough deal well, and so selfishly. 1:48:33.160 --> 1:48:35.320 I guess I we would have just had a deal 1:48:35.360 --> 1:48:38.519 with people that don't understand how Oh yeah, you throw 1:48:38.560 --> 1:48:40.519 at Justin Jefferson, you're gonna look pretty good. The Patriots 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:41.519 don't have Justin Jefferson. 1:48:41.640 --> 1:48:44.280 All right, let's take these calls. Jake is in Lemonster. 1:48:44.360 --> 1:48:51.920 What's up, Jake? Jake? You're there going once? All right? 1:48:51.960 --> 1:48:53.519 Call us back, Jake and we'll get you on the air. 1:48:53.960 --> 1:48:55.639 Sean is in Vancouver, what's up? Sean? 1:48:56.760 --> 1:48:59.080 Hey, Alex thought I was with you from the beginning 1:48:59.120 --> 1:49:04.840 about with the offensive line being a disaster preventing trick 1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:07.720 me from playing right away. And you know, but I 1:49:07.800 --> 1:49:10.360 don't see this as a team that's going to make 1:49:10.400 --> 1:49:12.320 the playoffs. So I don't think you have to wait 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:15.360 till the last week of the season. If they could 1:49:15.439 --> 1:49:18.640 just get this offensive line sorted out, you know, be 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:21.519 a week five, week six, whatever they do, that's when 1:49:21.560 --> 1:49:24.400 they should play May because that's that's really the priority. 1:49:24.439 --> 1:49:26.519 We want to see. If May is the future, because 1:49:26.520 --> 1:49:28.479 this team isn't about now, it's about the future, and 1:49:28.760 --> 1:49:30.680 we need we need to find that out. So we 1:49:30.760 --> 1:49:32.640 need to find out if this guy is real. I 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:35.280 do have a question for you the guys though, how 1:49:35.439 --> 1:49:38.640 is Antonio Gibson looked in pass blocking because he's going 1:49:38.720 --> 1:49:41.680 to be needed as a passing down back. I'll take 1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:43.599 it off the air, I think, good question. 1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:46.200 Good questions on the first point, just real quick. Yeah, 1:49:46.280 --> 1:49:48.639 that's where I've been right. Once the offensive line set, 1:49:48.680 --> 1:49:51.280 that's what trick may and the problem is might take 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:52.920 more than five or six weeks to figure this thing 1:49:52.960 --> 1:49:53.360 out at. 1:49:53.280 --> 1:49:54.800 This point, right I think that's where we're at. 1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:56.639 It might take you three months. 1:49:56.720 --> 1:49:59.000 Yeah, as I like to do with you know, the 1:49:59.080 --> 1:50:01.280 first point that he made about kind of they're not 1:50:01.320 --> 1:50:02.880 gonna be playing We know they're not probably not gonna 1:50:02.880 --> 1:50:04.840 be a playoff team. Like it's not gonna do with wins, right, 1:50:05.120 --> 1:50:07.920 it was. It was more about protecting him and keeping 1:50:08.000 --> 1:50:10.720 him healthy and giving him a chance back there to 1:50:10.840 --> 1:50:13.040 succeed and all that kind of stuff. And right now, 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:16.760 it's hard to envision the offensive line coming together in 1:50:16.840 --> 1:50:19.320 the short term to make that happen. By week five 1:50:19.439 --> 1:50:21.920 or week six, like he was saying in terms of 1:50:22.000 --> 1:50:26.120 bit blitz pick up. For Antonio Gibson, I do feel 1:50:26.120 --> 1:50:29.519 like he's been used the route a lot more than 1:50:29.920 --> 1:50:33.040 blitz pick up. Yeah, And I wonder if that's something 1:50:33.160 --> 1:50:36.160 that a VP in this offense is gonna be a 1:50:36.160 --> 1:50:40.160 little bit different than they're The old guard was one. 1:50:40.600 --> 1:50:44.320 I don't know if it's gonna be. Bax didn't play 1:50:44.560 --> 1:50:48.120 under Belichick until they understood pass protection, right, they were 1:50:48.200 --> 1:50:51.599 not allowed on the field, especially in passing situations. Uh 1:50:51.800 --> 1:50:54.360 number two. The Patriots would use the back a lot 1:50:54.439 --> 1:50:57.599 more than some other teams and blitz pick up, especially 1:50:57.680 --> 1:51:01.200 recently once like James White retired and stuff. So a 1:51:01.280 --> 1:51:04.280 lot of teams, you know, especially in this West Coach tree, 1:51:04.920 --> 1:51:07.680 they want to reset things so that the back can 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:09.800 get into the pattern. Like whatever you have to do 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:12.800 to release the back and not force the back to 1:51:12.840 --> 1:51:16.160 stay in and blitz pick up, whether it's remiking, you know, 1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:20.080 whatever like to do that. We don't want the back 1:51:20.160 --> 1:51:23.200 to be in the backfield and blitz pick up as 1:51:23.280 --> 1:51:26.040 much as we can prevent that. Reid is huge and 1:51:26.160 --> 1:51:28.240 he reads huge on that is the running backs in 1:51:28.320 --> 1:51:31.960 Kansas City hardly ever pass block. They're always in the pattern, 1:51:32.240 --> 1:51:33.720 So I don't know how much they're gonna use him 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:36.680 in that, But I haven't necessarily watched specifically how he's 1:51:36.760 --> 1:51:39.080 picked up blitzes and how he's looked in that regard, 1:51:39.520 --> 1:51:43.080 but it hasn't been noticeably a problem either. I guess 1:51:43.080 --> 1:51:44.200 this is the other way to put it. 1:51:44.520 --> 1:51:47.720 Yeah, I would agree with you. I don't know that 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:49.800 he's had any like wow moments in pass pro, but 1:51:49.840 --> 1:51:52.120 there haven't been many times I've seen him totally blown 1:51:52.160 --> 1:51:54.679 aside me either, Like he's been serviceable, but he hasn't 1:51:54.720 --> 1:51:56.080 done in the ton Like you said, it feels like 1:51:56.120 --> 1:51:57.680 he's mostly been out in the pattern, and I think 1:51:57.720 --> 1:52:00.320 that's how they're gonna use him. And realistically, if they 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:02.439 reach a point where they're like, all right, we need 1:52:03.240 --> 1:52:04.720 the running back to be a part of pass pro. 1:52:05.040 --> 1:52:07.439 Ramondra Stevens is one of the better pass blocking running 1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:09.400 backs in the league, they'll probably just put him on 1:52:09.400 --> 1:52:10.280 the field more at that point. 1:52:10.439 --> 1:52:13.640 Yeah, Gibson and I actually really like that. So just 1:52:13.960 --> 1:52:15.360 we only have a couple more minutes. I don't want 1:52:15.360 --> 1:52:17.040 to get two bogged down in the next as the nose, 1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:19.599 but when you think about it's a numbers game, right, 1:52:19.680 --> 1:52:22.360 It's always a numbers game. And if the back is 1:52:22.479 --> 1:52:26.120 releasing in the pattern, then somebody has to account for 1:52:26.240 --> 1:52:28.360 him in coverage, like there's a there has to be 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:30.840 a player for player in coverage. So in theory, if 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:33.160 you always were releasing the back out of the backfield, 1:52:33.479 --> 1:52:37.080 then the backs guy cannot blitz all the time. Otherwise 1:52:37.160 --> 1:52:38.519 that's where you're just gonna go with the ball. It's 1:52:38.560 --> 1:52:42.200 gonna be easy to right. So that's how these other 1:52:42.280 --> 1:52:45.880 teams operate, is that if you're gonna blitz and we're 1:52:45.920 --> 1:52:48.160 gonna release the back, well, then we're gonna have five 1:52:48.200 --> 1:52:50.280 in the in the pattern, and you're only gonna have 1:52:50.320 --> 1:52:53.120 six guys in coverage, and there's gonna be somebody open, right, 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:56.400 And so we'll devise away that with hot routes and 1:52:56.439 --> 1:52:58.880 things like that that somebody's got to be open at 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:03.280 that point. So in theory, you shouldn't have to have 1:53:03.400 --> 1:53:05.760 the back pass protect all the time. Now, there's going 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:08.200 to be certain protections that they will, and you know 1:53:08.240 --> 1:53:11.760 there's certain instances where they will, but in general, a 1:53:11.840 --> 1:53:15.360 lot of these teams, you know, like the Floor I know, 1:53:15.600 --> 1:53:19.840 for a Fact and Shanahan are two guys that they 1:53:20.120 --> 1:53:22.200 want the quarterback in the center to figure out a 1:53:22.240 --> 1:53:24.080 way to get the back into the pattern at all times, 1:53:24.320 --> 1:53:28.160 Like just remight get it, Atlanta, Slide the protection this way, 1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:30.360 slide it that way, whatever you gotta do. We don't 1:53:30.360 --> 1:53:32.040 want the back just sitting back there and picking up 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:35.679 linebackers like it just doesn't help us as an offense. 1:53:36.320 --> 1:53:38.280 So I feel like AVP is going to be in 1:53:38.800 --> 1:53:41.400 more of that school. But we'll see. It's a good 1:53:41.479 --> 1:53:44.400 question and we'll see. But I hope to an extent 1:53:44.560 --> 1:53:47.960 that the days of Pierre Strong is just never going 1:53:48.040 --> 1:53:50.160 to get on the field because they can't pick up 1:53:50.200 --> 1:53:52.920 a freaking linebacker and blitz pick up or Kevin Harris, 1:53:52.960 --> 1:53:55.920 like you're mentioning the Lions game a couple of years ago, 1:53:56.040 --> 1:53:58.640 Ormandre is still in the game when they're up thirty points, Like, 1:53:58.840 --> 1:54:00.720 I hope those days are gone because I think that 1:54:00.920 --> 1:54:04.160 was a little an instinct, you know, archaic way of 1:54:04.240 --> 1:54:06.920 looking at it. I want to talk just to wrap 1:54:07.000 --> 1:54:08.240 up the show. I know you have one more call 1:54:08.520 --> 1:54:09.800 and we'll get to it, but I do want to 1:54:09.800 --> 1:54:12.920 give our takes on Tomorrow night really quickly. So what 1:54:13.360 --> 1:54:15.200 are you looking forward to tomorrow night? What are you 1:54:15.240 --> 1:54:18.400 expecting to see in terms of Drake May's participation. 1:54:18.520 --> 1:54:20.599 So this is the big question because Garrod Mayo at 1:54:20.600 --> 1:54:22.040 the beginning of the week said he's gonna play more, 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:24.200 He's gonna play more, He's gonna play more, and then 1:54:24.240 --> 1:54:27.400 the offensive line happened, and I wonder if that's a recalculation. 1:54:27.680 --> 1:54:29.880 I don't know that anything would surprise me at this 1:54:29.960 --> 1:54:32.400 point in terms of valid him not playing, I guess 1:54:32.440 --> 1:54:34.600 would surprise me him not playing at all, not playing 1:54:34.600 --> 1:54:37.440 a single snap. Beyond that, I'm kind of ready for anything. 1:54:38.280 --> 1:54:39.920 I like that you're kind of ready for anything. 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:42.240 Yeah, he could play five snaps, he could play forty. 1:54:42.680 --> 1:54:44.240 Both would make sense to me at this point. 1:54:44.360 --> 1:54:46.840 Yeah. I don't think he's gonna play a high volume 1:54:46.960 --> 1:54:49.320 like forty, you know, JJ McCarthy. I know it's a 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:51.480 bad example now that with the injury, but I think 1:54:51.520 --> 1:54:53.880 he played like thirty thirty three. Yeah, I think he 1:54:54.000 --> 1:54:56.879 was the most with thirty three out of the rookie quarterbacks. 1:54:56.920 --> 1:54:59.000 I don't expect him to play that much, but I 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.200 do expect him to play enough that we have some 1:55:01.360 --> 1:55:03.920 tape to like dig into and I say we, I 1:55:04.040 --> 1:55:07.280 really mean them, yeah and you yeah, obviously me too, 1:55:07.880 --> 1:55:10.960 But yeah, I expect to have come away from this 1:55:11.080 --> 1:55:14.160 where we have like, okay, we have ten to twelve 1:55:15.120 --> 1:55:19.280 dropbacks of real dropbacks, not screens you know, or like 1:55:19.440 --> 1:55:22.400 third and ten dump offs into the flat, like actual 1:55:22.600 --> 1:55:26.960 quarterback plays. Last week we got one. We got one 1:55:27.040 --> 1:55:30.160 play action drop that went through Jalen Riger's hands. I 1:55:30.240 --> 1:55:33.160 think that they will try to get to about ten, twelve, 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:36.360 fifteen of those this week. But I was dead wrong 1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:38.240 about how they were going to use the quarterbacks last week, 1:55:38.280 --> 1:55:40.480 so I couldn't. I don't. Maybe don't take my word 1:55:40.560 --> 1:55:43.960 for it, but that's what my gut tells me. The 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:46.800 other thing, I just really quickly, I want to mention 1:55:47.480 --> 1:55:49.760 I didn't think that the rookie receivers look great on 1:55:49.920 --> 1:55:53.240 film with their route running last week. It's just something 1:55:53.280 --> 1:55:56.400 that I texted you about it. I'm not like, well, 1:55:56.440 --> 1:55:58.760 I said def Con five earlier, red alert by the 1:55:58.880 --> 1:56:01.560 offensive line. This is like one or two, like def 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:03.480 Con one or two. It's not something I'm like crazy 1:56:03.560 --> 1:56:07.560 worried about, right, But I just feel like Jalen Polk 1:56:07.600 --> 1:56:10.800 in particular, Jalen Polk's gonna have to have a PhD 1:56:10.920 --> 1:56:12.680 in route running right, Like he's gonna have to be 1:56:12.760 --> 1:56:16.200 an expert technician in order to uh to thrive in 1:56:16.280 --> 1:56:20.080 the league. Things like getting defenders off their leverage, eating 1:56:20.160 --> 1:56:24.560 up cushion against off coverage efficientcyy efficiency through the top 1:56:24.640 --> 1:56:27.240 of the route. Like I didn't love those elements of 1:56:27.320 --> 1:56:28.960 his game last week. It looked like it was moving 1:56:29.000 --> 1:56:31.400 a little fast for him the first time out, So 1:56:31.520 --> 1:56:33.640 maybe that slows down for him eventually. But he's got 1:56:33.760 --> 1:56:36.960 to think the game, like if he's got a corner 1:56:37.280 --> 1:56:40.360 that's eight yards off, he's got to eat up the space. 1:56:40.760 --> 1:56:43.360 Like you gotta come out of the blocks, man, Like 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:46.920 you gotta come out of the blocks like Noah Lyles, right, 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:49.480 you gotta get up on him. And then you got 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:52.240 a maybe bad example because he did. He had to. 1:56:52.520 --> 1:56:54.920 He had to flying twenty in that one hundred meter, 1:56:55.120 --> 1:56:59.120 not the not the first, not the ten yard split. 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:02.360 But you gotta come out of the blocks, and uh, 1:57:02.600 --> 1:57:04.240 you got to eat up the cushion, and then you 1:57:04.360 --> 1:57:05.920 want to get up on the toes right, and then 1:57:05.960 --> 1:57:07.760 you you make the brake happen at the top of 1:57:07.800 --> 1:57:10.280 the route. But if you don't get the defender to 1:57:10.400 --> 1:57:12.760 even think for a second that you might run by him. 1:57:13.120 --> 1:57:16.320 Then your toast like you gotta make the defender think like, Okay, 1:57:16.440 --> 1:57:18.440 this guy's got you gotta get him back on his heels. 1:57:18.560 --> 1:57:20.800 Yeah's and I'm either in my pedal or on back 1:57:20.840 --> 1:57:22.440 of my heels or my hips are opening up to 1:57:22.480 --> 1:57:26.120 the field like something has to happen there from the defender. Similarly, 1:57:26.200 --> 1:57:28.360 he ran a route a little quick out that the 1:57:28.440 --> 1:57:30.800 defender had outside leverage on him. He's like, you know, 1:57:30.920 --> 1:57:33.800 right shaded outside leverage, and he just ran right into 1:57:33.840 --> 1:57:35.400 the leverage. And I'm not saying that he should have 1:57:35.440 --> 1:57:37.640 optioned routed it or anything, but if you know that 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:39.560 you're gonna run it out and you're locked into a 1:57:39.640 --> 1:57:41.880 route and you have outside leverage corner, you have to 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:43.440 make a move at the line of scrimmage in your 1:57:43.480 --> 1:57:45.440 release to get him off the leverage right, like give 1:57:45.480 --> 1:57:47.680 a little fake to the inside or stem it up 1:57:47.680 --> 1:57:49.960 to the inside quickly and then come back to the outside. 1:57:50.200 --> 1:57:53.480 You gotta think the game. And I didn't really see 1:57:53.520 --> 1:57:55.680 that from him in that game in that film, and 1:57:55.800 --> 1:57:57.720 Javon Baker a little bit to that extent too, But 1:57:57.760 --> 1:58:00.880 I didn't necessarily expect Javon Baker to be at that level. 1:58:01.360 --> 1:58:04.400 Jalen Polk's gonna have to be at that level. You know, 1:58:04.520 --> 1:58:07.240 Jacobe Myers was at that level, is at that level. 1:58:07.840 --> 1:58:08.000 You know. 1:58:08.040 --> 1:58:10.480 The other comparison, Tyler Boyd, like Keenan Allen, like some 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:12.640 of the other names people throw out, Like, those guys 1:58:12.720 --> 1:58:14.800 are at that level, So I gotta see a little 1:58:14.800 --> 1:58:18.880 bit more they're out of Jalen Polk. I'm so torn 1:58:19.080 --> 1:58:22.160 on Jalen Polk. Like all the things that we talk 1:58:22.200 --> 1:58:25.120 about during draft season when it comes to receivers, this 1:58:25.240 --> 1:58:27.560 one's like really giving me up at night. I'm so 1:58:27.720 --> 1:58:30.240 torn about what to think about him because you know, 1:58:30.440 --> 1:58:35.840 my typical preferences are separation, ability, speed, like all the 1:58:36.000 --> 1:58:38.720 Like Zay Flowers is like my guy, right, Like that's 1:58:38.760 --> 1:58:40.680 the type of receiver I look at and say, that 1:58:40.800 --> 1:58:43.240 guy's gonna translate, that guy's gonna be good in the league. 1:58:43.520 --> 1:58:46.520 Jalen Polk does all the other things well, he catches 1:58:46.560 --> 1:58:50.160 the ball, well, he's physical, he's got some Alpha in him, 1:58:50.160 --> 1:58:51.520 and he's got kind of that a little bit of 1:58:51.520 --> 1:58:55.720 attitude to him. But he doesn't separate and normally I'm 1:58:55.800 --> 1:58:58.640 out on those types of guys, but I do see 1:58:58.680 --> 1:59:01.000 it with Jalen Polk, like how he could build himself 1:59:01.040 --> 1:59:03.760 into a good NFL receiver, but he's gonna have to 1:59:03.840 --> 1:59:06.040 refine his route running and be like an expert expert 1:59:06.120 --> 1:59:08.560 route runner in or to make that happen. So those 1:59:08.600 --> 1:59:10.600 are a couple of things. Is there anybody else other 1:59:10.680 --> 1:59:12.760 than the quarterbacks that you're looking out for. 1:59:13.560 --> 1:59:15.520 That third string tight end battle? But we can take 1:59:15.520 --> 1:59:17.720 this call. I won't run it down third thing. 1:59:18.320 --> 1:59:20.440 Third string tight end is more important than the caller. 1:59:20.560 --> 1:59:24.120 Nowchic tachical? All right, all right, John, You're more important 1:59:24.120 --> 1:59:25.560 than the third string tight end? What do you got? 1:59:28.080 --> 1:59:29.840 I was actually kind of digging in here waiting to 1:59:29.840 --> 1:59:32.960 see what parts was gonna say. Huge fan of both 1:59:32.960 --> 1:59:34.560 of you guys. I think my wife's sick of hearing 1:59:34.600 --> 1:59:38.280 both your voices at this point. But I think kind 1:59:38.320 --> 1:59:40.560 of like my biggest takeaway from listening to your guys 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:42.600 a show and the coverage and like the whole Drake 1:59:42.680 --> 1:59:46.080 may experience and not to beat like Bill Belichick again 1:59:46.080 --> 1:59:48.360 because we've done that, but I just think it shows you, 1:59:48.560 --> 1:59:51.000 like how many years and how many years I've listened 1:59:51.040 --> 1:59:53.839 to you guys talk about where they just never addressed, 1:59:54.720 --> 1:59:58.959 like like glaring holes on offense, whether it's tackle, offensive 1:59:59.040 --> 2:00:02.760 line depth, receiver deaf like topping receiver talent. And I 2:00:02.840 --> 2:00:05.680 think it's like years and years and years of this 2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:08.200 like accruing and to the point where now you can't 2:00:08.240 --> 2:00:11.080 even get Drake May out in a preseason game because 2:00:11.080 --> 2:00:12.600 he's going to get his head ripped off. And like 2:00:12.640 --> 2:00:15.280 we saw in the joint practice yesterday, like you put 2:00:15.360 --> 2:00:17.840 him out there with twos, even against another team's number twos, 2:00:17.880 --> 2:00:20.880 Like it's not competitive. So I think people need to 2:00:21.080 --> 2:00:22.400 like I think you guys have done a good job 2:00:22.480 --> 2:00:24.840 of this. I can't listen to ninety five anymore, but 2:00:25.960 --> 2:00:27.640 like you need to pump the brakes and like, let 2:00:27.760 --> 2:00:30.760 Drake May develop so that way in two years we're 2:00:30.760 --> 2:00:32.640 not sitting around being like what happened to Drake May? 2:00:32.720 --> 2:00:33.520 You sees ghosts? 2:00:33.800 --> 2:00:35.960 He's leaning off his back foot, Like we just need 2:00:36.040 --> 2:00:37.879 to calm down. But thank you guys, love listen. 2:00:37.720 --> 2:00:38.120 To your show. 2:00:38.240 --> 2:00:40.600 Thanks John, thanks for the call. Well said, that's exactly. 2:00:40.840 --> 2:00:43.320 That's a great way to end my first thirty five 2:00:43.360 --> 2:00:45.760 minutes of standing on the ledge at the Tobin Bridge 2:00:46.240 --> 2:00:49.120 that that's exactly where it's at right now, is patients 2:00:49.440 --> 2:00:53.840 like we are now yesterday. To me, first of all, 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:55.880 just really quickly, I know we have to end. Yeah, 2:00:56.080 --> 2:00:58.360 but I listened to Badard on the way home last night. 2:00:58.520 --> 2:01:00.400 He like saw ghosts, like looks. It was like he 2:01:00.480 --> 2:01:02.520 saw a dead person the way he was talking about 2:01:02.560 --> 2:01:04.960 practice yesterday. And I think it was genuine like he 2:01:05.080 --> 2:01:06.440 was Jenny. 2:01:06.280 --> 2:01:08.720 Was rattled by the ducks and horses question, but okay. 2:01:08.760 --> 2:01:12.920 Yeah, he was genuinely rattled, and I was not quite 2:01:13.160 --> 2:01:15.560 that far, but I was in this. I think we're 2:01:15.600 --> 2:01:19.680 all in a similar place where yesterday was a real 2:01:19.800 --> 2:01:23.640 wake up call to the fact that this team's got 2:01:23.720 --> 2:01:25.680 a ways to go. And we watched a team in 2:01:25.760 --> 2:01:28.320 the Eagles, who I mentioned at the top of the show, 2:01:29.000 --> 2:01:31.040 have the third best odds in some places to win 2:01:31.120 --> 2:01:33.480 Super Bowl fifty nine. Are one of those teams eight 2:01:33.560 --> 2:01:35.280 to ten teams, let's call it that that has a 2:01:35.360 --> 2:01:38.040 legitimate chance to win the Super Bowl. And you saw 2:01:38.120 --> 2:01:40.360 what that looked like, and then you saw what the 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:43.480 Patriots offense looked like, and all of a sudden, it's like, 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:46.360 we need to take a big step back, right we've 2:01:46.360 --> 2:01:49.840 been in the campgrind. We've been at every practice. It's 2:01:49.920 --> 2:01:52.360 been a couple of weeks of this every single day, 2:01:52.480 --> 2:01:55.280 almost being out there watching for two hours. I think 2:01:55.320 --> 2:01:57.400 we all need to take a deep breath. We need 2:01:57.480 --> 2:01:59.240 to take a big step back, and we need to 2:01:59.280 --> 2:02:02.560 realize that this is gonna this is gonna be a while. 2:02:02.680 --> 2:02:05.680 Are we going to, uh do Will Campbell check ins 2:02:05.720 --> 2:02:06.400 on the show this year? 2:02:06.880 --> 2:02:11.000 We might have to, and Luther Burden and we'll Travis Hunter, 2:02:11.120 --> 2:02:14.880 Will Campbell cal we all need to. This was a 2:02:14.920 --> 2:02:17.440 wake up call yesterday and that and that's the great 2:02:17.440 --> 2:02:19.840 way at the end of the show. So, uh, we'll 2:02:19.880 --> 2:02:23.800 be back next week, probably the same day, same time, roughly. 2:02:24.240 --> 2:02:27.280 I would say this is kind of we're not sure 2:02:27.320 --> 2:02:29.840 exactly when we'll be on during the regular season. We 2:02:29.920 --> 2:02:32.280 still got to work out what their the football schedule 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:34.160 is and all that kind of stuff. But for now, 2:02:34.240 --> 2:02:36.160 this is uh, this has been good. Uh, So we'll 2:02:36.160 --> 2:02:39.600 probably be back next week around the same time, really quickly. 2:02:40.040 --> 2:02:42.320 Before we wrap here, Bridgestone, the official tire of the 2:02:42.360 --> 2:02:45.440 New England Patriots, was proud to partner with Sullivan Tyre, 2:02:45.720 --> 2:02:49.360 New England's headquarters for quality Bridgestone Tires. Visit Sullivantyre dot 2:02:49.440 --> 2:02:52.560 com to find a location near you and easy to drink, 2:02:52.600 --> 2:02:55.120 easy to enjoy bud Light, the official beer sponsor of 2:02:55.240 --> 2:02:57.480 New England. Patriots. Enjoy the game tomorrow night. Hopefully we 2:02:57.520 --> 2:02:59.320 see more of Drake May and we'll see you guys 2:02:59.360 --> 2:02:59.720 next week. 2:02:59.800 --> 2:03:04.480 But thank you for downloading this podcast. 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