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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined has always buy our bar gas.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Chad Ryland's been better than Joey Slide.

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Speaker 1: He I wouldn't say that it's close. He has one

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Speaker 1: more make but sly hit of a live kick with

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Speaker 1: fifty seven yard of a one on.

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Speaker 2: I had the kickers overalls the down it really Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And so you still think this is an issue, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's I put Chad Ryland on here just to mess

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Speaker 2: with you. I'm not talking about it. I don't.

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Speaker 1: So you didn't watch the kickers, You're just.

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Speaker 2: Going not even one bit no kicking yesterday and the

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Speaker 2: joint practices.

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Speaker 1: So we can't with nothing in the last two days.

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Speaker 2: Nothing the last two day. Oh yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can't critique the kickers from yesterday's joint practice with

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Speaker 2: the Eagles. We are are We have other things to

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Speaker 2: talk about that are much bigger than the kicker with

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Speaker 2: this team right now. Evan Lazar, Alex Barth Patriots Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two with you for the next couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: We're obviously going to talk about yesterday's joint practice. We'll

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Speaker 2: get a little bit more into tomorrow night's preseason game

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Speaker 2: against the Philadelphia Eagles as well. Do three up, three down.

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Speaker 2: That's sort of the show for you today, And of

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Speaker 2: course we'll take your lovely calls and emails. Eight five

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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's go places. And after yesterday,

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Speaker 2: alex I cracked open a nice bud Light after that practice.

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Speaker 2: just give me a second to get something off mych here.

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Speaker 1: Go for it.

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Speaker 2: You know how I do this, right? Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: here's my opening monologue, my opening take of the show

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Speaker 2: about yesterday's practice for the Patriots offense. I would love

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Speaker 2: to come in here and just let it roll off

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Speaker 2: and just say, you know what, the Eagles, I look

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Speaker 2: this up. They are right now in some places have

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Speaker 2: the third best odds to win the Super Bowl this year,

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Speaker 2: third best odds in the league behind the Chiefs and

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers to win the Super Bowl. The

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Speaker 2: Patriots are in that conversation, but for the number one

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Speaker 2: overall pick right there on the other side of the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: So there's a part of me that doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: completely kill them for what happened yesterday, because this is

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Speaker 2: two teams that are moving in very very different directions

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Speaker 2: and are in very very different places and their roster development.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles came into this practice yesterday and my first

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Speaker 2: thought as these teams were running onto the field is like,

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Speaker 2: there's Jalen Hurts, There's Aj Brown, There's Devonte Smith, Jordan Davis,

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Speaker 2: There's Saquon Bark Jordan Davis, there's Jalen Carter. Like you know,

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Speaker 2: there's all these studs on that side of the football,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, the Patriots just don't match up well

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Speaker 2: against this team. This is a team that is very

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Speaker 2: very good against a team that's rebuilding, and there's definitely

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Speaker 2: some truth to that, but I can't completely let it go,

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Speaker 2: like I can't completely sure let the Patriots off the

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Speaker 2: hook that easily. And I also want to just put

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Speaker 2: the caveat on this by saying, this does not necessarily

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Speaker 2: mean that Drake may is going to be a bust

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Speaker 2: and Rod Mayo is going to be out of a

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Speaker 2: job in two years and all of this is terrible,

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Speaker 2: right and gonna go up in flames. It's one day.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean anything about the long term future

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Speaker 2: of what they're doing here. With that being said, I

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Speaker 2: want to read a few stats from you from the

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Speaker 2: charting that I did to practice yesterday, just to set

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Speaker 2: the scene what this was like for the Patriots offense yesterday,

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Speaker 2: which frankly was a bleep show, an absolute bleep show

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Speaker 2: some bad offense in summers. I don't love comparing because

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Speaker 2: it's hard, it's hard to get, but.

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Speaker 1: I gotta ask this. I don't know yesterday wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: There were days in twenty two that felt worse to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree, but this is yesterday was worse

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Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about after the show. Duce and

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Speaker 2: I were in Green Bay last year for the joint practices,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay last year was like encouraging pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially on one of the days. It feels like

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Speaker 2: it felt like the Patriots were able to the offense

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Speaker 2: was able to make some plays down the field. You know,

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Speaker 2: DeVante Parker over Russell Douglas I think was like the

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Speaker 2: big play in that late portion of practice when it

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Speaker 2: was like full team will been on eleven.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, anyways, here's some numbers for you. Give me numbers, Drake,

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Speaker 2: I almost said mac Jones because we're just talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Drake May and Jacoby Brissett drop back to pass forty

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Speaker 2: two times in practice yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, let me let me run this through the buttons.

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Speaker 2: Okay, forty two times. Yeah, they were sacked fourteen times.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen times.

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Speaker 1: You want the percentage on that, it's about a third, right,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly a third? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's also from

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Speaker 1: what I've seen that that number might be conservative compared

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had fourteen. I practice, sacks are always

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Speaker 2: a gray area. Yeah right, you're not tackling the quarterback

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Speaker 2: or Jacoby Brissett would squeak out or whatever. I had

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Speaker 2: fourteen Jacoby Brissett. Now both Now, one of them was

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Speaker 1: And just for the record, for reference, the highest sack

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Speaker 1: rate in the league last year is just over eight percent.

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Speaker 1: The Jets in Miami were tied.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacoby Brissett. One was his fault, one wasn't. Okay,

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Speaker 2: two interceptions on twenty four passes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those definitely not his fault. He hit

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Speaker 1: Austin Hooper right between the numbers. Austin Hooper caught it

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Speaker 1: that hit him and he just went right up in

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Speaker 1: the air. And I'm not blaming the safety. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter no he threw it. I'm just describing the play

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Speaker 1: so people understand what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the maybe the worst part to me

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Speaker 2: and imagine being worse than fourteen sacks on forty two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually don't know what you're gonna say here.

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Speaker 2: Nine penalties? Oh yeah, yeah, nine penalties?

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Speaker 1: Was it? There were three or four false starts.

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Speaker 2: Get false starts?

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Speaker 1: They had an ineligible man downfields and eligible jayvon Baker

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Speaker 2: Looked like a legal hands to the facer face mask

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Speaker 1: I just remember four like there was flags ever see

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Speaker 2: There was flags everywhere, and some of it, yes, was procedural,

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Speaker 1: No, the procedural stuff I worry more about, yeah than

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Speaker 1: the other stuff.

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Speaker 2: To the point where Gerrod Mayo at one point went

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Speaker 2: the air like this, like what are we doing? Because

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Speaker 2: they couldn't they just like couldn't even get plays.

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Speaker 1: Off Shanhanshry Okay.

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Speaker 2: Then they also had three botch snaps exchanges, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: ball just hit the ground immediately. And then there was

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Speaker 2: one with Jacoby Brissett where I think he was trying

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Speaker 2: Jets sweep and the ball hit the ground. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: he had to just dive on it like a grade

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Speaker 1: I think that was the case of being sped up

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Speaker 1: because the way the offensive line was looking. I don't

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Speaker 1: nine penalties, three botch snaps? Wait, fourteen plus two plus

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Speaker 1: nine plus five? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, on how many snaps?

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Speaker 2: Forty two dropbacks?

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Speaker 1: Right, so you've encounted for thirty so far.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Then here was Drake May's last two minute. And

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Speaker 2: this this part really gets into all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Is just like, Okay, you had a bad day, you

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Speaker 2: were playing a really good team in practice, and you

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Speaker 2: got your butts kicked. All right, it happens. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is the part where it starts to I get to

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Speaker 2: the point where these things are going to irk me

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Speaker 2: like that. Now I'm mad. Now, now I'm mad. Drake

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Speaker 2: May's final two minute in yesterday's practice, they put him

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Speaker 2: Antonio Mafi at center against the Eagles, starting defense, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what are we trying to accomplish with that? So he

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Speaker 2: goes sacked by Nolan Smith, who goes right around Calvin

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Speaker 2: Anderson at left tackle for like at second two point

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Speaker 2: four seconds or something. Ridiculous sack by team. I wrote

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Speaker 2: team because there was multiple eagles in the backfield that

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Speaker 2: I'm not actually one hundred percent sure who.

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Speaker 1: Touched the team meeting at the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, complete pocket collapse.

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Speaker 1: Couple of those, but a couple of those yesterday.

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Speaker 2: But an incomplete pass on a comeback round to Kaishan

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Speaker 2: Body that stood no chance. He threw the ball, you

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Speaker 2: know it was. It was wide right, but Kaishan Budi

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Speaker 2: was covered. The ball had to come out instantly. At

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Speaker 2: this point he sped up.

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Speaker 1: He put it well, I know, talking about the one

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Speaker 1: he put like well into the sideline. Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was I call it a throwaway.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was borderline throwaway.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a throwaway. I actually didn't even

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Speaker 1: think it was a target.

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Speaker 2: And then on the last play for Drake Mason, right

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Speaker 2: now he's over three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on the last.

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Speaker 2: Play he goes four and out, Nikobe Dean comes in

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Speaker 2: up the middle, blows up the running back on the

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Speaker 2: way to the quarterback and sack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we have three sacks and four play span and

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Speaker 2: one incomplete pass against the Eagles starting defense against the

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Speaker 2: Patriots twos, which I still don't really understand. Why what

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Speaker 2: the point of that is. So my guess where I'm

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Speaker 2: getting at with this is, first of all, you know,

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Speaker 2: I have to be innocent till proven guilty. I have

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Speaker 2: to give them the benefit of the doubt, the coaching staff,

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Speaker 2: the front office that I can't come on this show

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Speaker 2: in May. Yeah, already screaming about the offensive line before.

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Speaker 2: I did that for both of us, before the pads come.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not in a position to do that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: have to watch it first.

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Speaker 2: I have to give them that courtesy that let's put

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Speaker 2: the pads on, let's see what it looks like.

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Speaker 2: they just put him in front of the ones, And Okay,

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00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 2: I hear you all on that. But to say sit

436
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 2: here and say he's he's so far away, like he's

437
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: he's not even close to playing yet, I just don't

438
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: know how you could say that, because does he even

439
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 2: have a chance to go through a progression right now?

440
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: Like could he really have a chance at going one, two, three,

441
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: and like hitting a backside dig route right now.

442
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: The few times he's done he's the few times he's

443
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 1: had that, he has done it. Yeah, but it's just

444
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,479
Speaker 1: so few and far between that you don't know if

445
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: it's a consistency thing or why.

446
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: I am sure that there are things pre snap and

447
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: within the first couple beats of plays where he needs

448
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 2: to be found master or if he's not quite there

449
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 2: yet mentally in terms of configuring things and setting mike

450
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: points and all that kind I'm sure there's a bunch

451
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff going on where if he

452
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 2: was a little bit further along in that capacity, maybe

453
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: he would be able to get them into better positions

454
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 2: to run plays more successfully. I am allowing for that completely,

455
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: but that's hard to ask for a rookie quarterback like that.

456
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen from ninety nine percent of rookie quarterbacks.

457
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 2: What I'm seeing out of him in practice right now

458
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: is that it's incomplete, like it's I don't know what

459
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: he is. I'm hoping that we're going to see a

460
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: little bit more tomorrow night, and maybe that will give

461
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: us an indication of where he's at. But right now.

462
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: I just mentioned the hurry up, like that hurry up

463
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: was worthless, like it didn't teach us anything, he didn't

464
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: get anything out of it. And that part, to me,

465
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: is even more worrisome than the fact that it might

466
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,719
Speaker 2: not be great upfront for the first you know, for

467
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: this season, or even the entire year. Maybe I was

468
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: gonna say September, but maybe even in the entire year.

469
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: He's at a point now where the conditions, the environment

470
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: is just not conducive for him to be developed in

471
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Speaker 2: a way that we can come out tangibly and say

472
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: when people ask me, where's Drake May at right, I

473
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: honestly couldn't tell you.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got to ask. I did a mail

475
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: bag last night on ninety eight five the sports sub

476
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: dot com, and I was asked, I'm trying to find

477
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: the exact question, is Drake May's future in trouble since

478
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line is struggling, And I said, it doesn't

479
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: have to be. It doesn't have to be because this

480
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: should not be Drake May's offensive line, like they should

481
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: go out and improve it. I'm talking long term. I'm

482
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: not talking about DJ Humphries. I'm talking about after this

483
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: year now, his timeline may be delayed, which I think,

484
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: Evan is what you're talking about, that we're not going

485
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: to get an answer on him. We're not going to

486
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: get a referendum on him as soon as we maybe

487
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: otherwise would because the offensive line doesn't allow that. But

488
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: if they handle this correctly, and I don't love the

489
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: spot they've put Drake Man to begin with, I think

490
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: it's very clear where I stand on that in terms

491
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: of the investments they made in the offensive line this

492
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: offseason or lack thereof, they can still go out and

493
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: make those investments and get them a line and put

494
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: them in a position to succeed. But that also comes

495
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: with delaying the timeline, and that means dealing with pressure

496
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: from the media, from the fans, perhaps inside the building

497
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 1: to get Drake made going because if they put him

498
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: behind this offensive line, I don't think it's gonna look

499
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: good now, and I think it's gonna hurt him. So

500
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: it is tough that you don't know right now, and

501
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: the reality is, at least as I see it, we're

502
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to go through maybe an entire year

503
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: that we just don't know that we can't say whether

504
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: or not he's good or bad, because we're not going

505
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 1: to get the full picture. And if he goes in

506
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: early and struggles, then you look at, well, is this

507
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: doing lasting damage? So what you're saying, yeah, it's tough,

508
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: and you might go into next off season with quarterbacks

509
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: still essentially an unknown. I don't think you can go

510
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: out and at a guy but well, or are we

511
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: building this is Drake May the guy we can build

512
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: this around, like you might go in with that because

513
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: of where the offensive line is at.

514
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it feels to me as though there's

515
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: one thing coming from the team right now about Drake May.

516
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: And we had Alex Van Pelt addressed the season ticket

517
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: holders on Sunday and I was there asking him questions.

518
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: Mike Reeves tweeted out the exact quote, and he was

519
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: very complimentary of Drake May's said that, you know, they've

520
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: cleaned up his footwork, he's going through progressions a lot

521
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: faster than maybe they expected, like all these kinds of things.

522
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not calling him a liar. I'm just saying

523
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could tell. And they obviously

524
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: have a knowledge of the game and a knowledge of

525
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: what's going on out there. That's double that of the

526
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: people in this room, right right. But the point of

527
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: being is that he is at a point now where, well,

528
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: first of all, they're asking him to play within the

529
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: pocket in practice. I asked him this about I asked

530
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: him about this yesterday, and he said, in practice, you

531
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: can't really simulate all the off script improvisational stuff like

532
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna break out of the pocket, spin move

533
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: a sack and then get out on the perimeter and

534
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: start making things happen with my legs, Like that's not

535
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: really what we're the goal of practices, Like, that's not

536
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: what we're really trying to do in practice. So they're

537
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: already making him play a little bit left handed and

538
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: work on things he's not necessarily good at yet or

539
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: not necessarily all the way there yet with so it

540
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: was always going to be bumpy as he kind of

541
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: goes through this developmental phase of his career. But they

542
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: also are putting him in an environment where the people

543
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: in front of him can't block for him, and frankly,

544
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: like the receivers haven't really been giving him a ton

545
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: of separation either, because their best receiver in terms of

546
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: separation all that is pop obviously he gets all of

547
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: his reps with Jakobe were sett and the starters. Hunter

548
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: Henry has been out there the last couple of days,

549
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: but he gets all of his reps which Kobe were

550
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 2: set and the starters. Those are your best pass catchers,

551
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: and Drake may doesn't throw to either of them right now.

552
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: Usually he gets a Kashawan Boody, the rookies, you know,

553
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: Polk Baker, and then maybe some combination of like Rager

554
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: Thornton will mix in there as well with him. That's

555
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: usually the guys in the that tight end. It's pet Way,

556
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: will Cox, you know, those types of players. No offense

557
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: to any of those guys. But that's not necessarily helping

558
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: him out either. So I know that people think that

559
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: I'm making excuses for him, probably you know the anti

560
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: Drake made people hear a bunch of excuses. But to me,

561
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: it's not even that I don't know if he's good

562
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: or bad, like it's incomplete, like I I wish I

563
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: could give you a judgment, like I wish I could

564
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: sit here and tell you. And this to me is

565
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: problematic because we're headed in a direction now where he's

566
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: probably gonna sit a while in his rookie season. If

567
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: he sits a while in his rookie season, once you

568
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: get in season, all those reps in practice are gonna

569
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: be going to Jcobe prisct' because he's got to getting

570
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: ready to play the game on Sunday, so they're just

571
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: not there. So these this was his opportunity to show

572
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: real development from start to finish a training camp. And

573
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: now hopefully we get to see him more, like I

574
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 2: keep saying in the preseason games, and then I could

575
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: get on on the film and really grate out the

576
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: film and see exactly how it looks with the ability

577
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: to watch it back. But it's disappointing. It's frustrating that

578
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: we are at such an incomplete impast this far into

579
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: camp with Drake May that we just don't really know

580
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: what he is yet. And there's you can see it

581
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: with the eyes that you know he's got physical tools,

582
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: he's got ability, he's got size, all the things we

583
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: knew already. I feel like we've learned no new information

584
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: about him, and I shouldn't be saying that like we

585
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: should have. We should have learned a lot of new

586
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: information about him, and I feel like we have none

587
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: at this point in training camp, and that to me

588
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: is even more worrisome than the fact that they can't

589
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: block the Eagles front on August thirteenth or whatever it was.

590
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean agree with all that. I

591
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know much. Add I get it.

592
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just the known

593
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: as frustrating. It doesn't mean Drake May is bad. It's

594
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: just frustrating from the outside looking in, Like because I

595
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: think people hear that and think, oh, that means Drake

596
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: May isn't good. That's not necessarily case. We just we

597
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: don't know what he is. Like you said, we haven't

598
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: learned anything about him.

599
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: Is this the whole handling of Drake May in the

600
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: whole summer that this has me has me irked at

601
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: this point.

602
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean I was irked about it back in March.

603
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: I'm kind of.

604
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: It's griding my gears because it's not even just about

605
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: the offensive line though, Like I'm not talking about the personnel.

606
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: I'm talking about how they've handled how they've managed his

607
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: reps and handled his routine on a day to day basis.

608
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: He doesn't play in the preseason game he got I

609
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: believe like half as many reps yesterday as Jacoby Brissett

610
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: did in a full eleven on eleven's. Yeah, he doesn't

611
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: get any opportunities with the ones. The door was never

612
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: open at all for him to make a push ever.

613
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: And I'm not even just talking about week one. I

614
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: don't know how you can look at where we're at

615
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: right now and expect him to play before Halloween like

616
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: this is now. We're at the point where it's gonna

617
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: go behind closed doors here soon and they're gonna have

618
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: to see some real progress from him and then and

619
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: behind closed doors settings, yeah, for the next couple of

620
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: weeks months that to the point where maybe he can

621
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: play in like the second half of the year, you know, right,

622
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: And that that to me did not need We didn't

623
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: need to get here, We didn't need to get to

624
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: this point.

625
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: Well, when they didn't add a tackle in the offseason,

626
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: they kind of decided it.

627
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 2: But I don't even think it's just about the tackle.

628
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: Like in practice, he's in a red non contact orts.

629
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: He's not gonna get hurt.

630
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: But I think some of the trepidation is in Gid

631
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this after the first preseason game.

632
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: They don't they are worried about their ability to protect him,

633
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: so they're hesitant to play them. And if you know

634
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: you're hesitant to play them this year at all, why

635
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: overly drill him in practice?

636
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: Because I think you need to find out what you have.

637
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: You need to find out what you have, like, you

638
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: need to find out if this guy that you drafted

639
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: third overall really is the future.

640
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I think they and I think they understand that. I

641
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: also think they're like, legitimately, they want to make sure

642
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: jakober Set is competitive this year. They don't want to

643
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: take anything away from Jacoby Brissett.

644
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: I think that's the wrong way to approach it, That's

645
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: all I'm saying. They why not give him any opportunities

646
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: with the ones in practice? It makes no sense, especially

647
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: when you know that the backup offensive lines of train

648
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: Wreck right now. Just to give him the opportunity to

649
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: actually go through a play at in a proper manner

650
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: consistently and like maybe strings some positive plays together, we

651
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: get into these hurry ups every single time in practice

652
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: when they put him in the two minute and he

653
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: can't move the ball.

654
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been it's been rough.

655
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like what are we getting out of that?

656
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: And I get it. You want to give jacobyber Set

657
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: opportunities to get him ready to play and all that.

658
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: Jacoby b be fine. He's made forty eight starts in

659
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: the NFL. He's thirty one years old. Like, if you

660
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: give Drake May six reps a day with the starters,

661
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: it's not going to make jacobyber Set go from Tom

662
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Brady to Zach Wilson. Right, He's gonna be who he's

663
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: gonna be, right, And I just that to me is

664
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: the biggest thing is it's not so much about let's

665
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: open the door and let's see what it looks like

666
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: with Drake May in terms of him starting, it's mostly

667
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: just for his development. It would help his development to

668
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: actually be around pieces that function at a decent level

669
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: so that he can sit back there and actually go

670
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: through progressions and go through the offense and move the

671
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: ball and grows he have some confidence about what he's

672
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: doing out there. It's it's been going all the way

673
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: back to Thursday's preseason game. Then we can we can

674
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: move on from this going back to Thursday's preseason game

675
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: to now, all of this handling of the quarterback has

676
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: made no sense to me.

677
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: No, I look, I don't understand the plan. I don't

678
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: understand I don't I don't want to say I don't

679
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: see the plan. I do see the plan. I don't

680
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: like on all the offense line. I don't even understand

681
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: what the plan is. I guess a quarterback, I understand

682
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: what the plan is, but it doesn't I said when

683
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: they moved on for mac Jones that there's less to

684
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: be learned there. And I hope that even though it's

685
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: a new like Bill's not in charge anymore, still a

686
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: lot of the same people. I hope they learn their

687
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: lesson from the mac Jones saga. I do wonder if

688
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: this is maybe too much of an over correction.

689
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: In terms of them being so slow with it.

690
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Just so careful, or maybe they're just being so careful.

691
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it has nothing to do with mac Jones. Maybe

692
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean pack away Aaron Rodgers sat multiple seasons Short

693
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: and Loves at multiple seasons, like maybe it's some of that,

694
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: but it just feels like they're they're handling with kid gloves,

695
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: and I think it and I I'm the one the

696
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: whole mac Jones that are pounding the table. You need

697
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: to take it, you need to make it as easy

698
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: as possible for the quarterback. Saying the quarterback needs help

699
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: is not a dirty thing. The more you help your

700
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: quarterback along, the better. And I still believe all of that,

701
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: but a certain point you got to put the kid

702
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: on the field.

703
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder my fear isn't necessarily that they're over

704
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: correcting from mac Jones. My fear is the first thing

705
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: that you said, Yeah, which is that.

706
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: The second thing I said, the packaway thing.

707
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: No, my fear is the thing that you said about

708
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: that they want Jacob Brissett to be viable this year,

709
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: and like they're more concerned about well winning games in

710
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: the short term with Jacoby Brissett as the quarterback than

711
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: they are about developing.

712
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: That could be that could so I was actually thinking

713
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: it the other way. This could be a chicken or

714
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: eg thing. Yeah, they're so set on stringing Drake may

715
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: along slowly that that's why they're more invested in Jacoby

716
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: Brissett because they know that. I didn't think of it

717
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the way you're saying. I'm more meant it the other

718
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: way that the hesitance with Drake may maybe why they're

719
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: more invested in Jacob Breseet because they know he's going

720
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: to start at least call twelve games this year.

721
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just the whole handling of his reps. I'm

722
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: not in his how they're walking him through this whole thing,

723
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: like let's take all the other pieces around it off

724
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: the table, like the offensive line, all this stuff, all

725
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: the way through. How they've just handled his development, I'm not.

726
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: And I also wanted to take off like footwork and mechanics,

727
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: and because I think that some of those things have

728
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: shown some improvements. I think his footwork does look better

729
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: in some instances, and I think his motion is tightened

730
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: up a little bit. His front arm now they're having

731
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: him bring that front arm closer to his to his

732
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: body Brady's style, like Brady would put the towel underneath

733
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: his front arm and keep his arm. His mechanics are faster,

734
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: more compact. His shotgun drops actually have been a lot better,

735
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: you know, a lot more in rhythm. Like his three

736
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: step hitches right now out of shotgun is actually looks

737
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: good and looks how it should to my eye at least.

738
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: So I think that they've made progress with some of

739
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: the mechanical and technique work that they've done with him.

740
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: It's more about the handling of the reps and who

741
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: he's playing with and when he's playing in preseason games

742
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 2: and things like that that I just can't fully wrap

743
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: my head around, Like was that koe Brissett went out

744
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: there last Thursday night and he also played what five

745
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: to six players or something like that. Was Were those

746
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: five six plays for koe Brissett meaningful in any sort

747
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: of way? Did they help him in any sort of way?

748
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Why not go back to last Thursday night and start

749
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: draaking May from the beginning of the game. If you

750
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: only want him to work with the top offensive line,

751
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: I get it. You don't want to put the kid

752
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: back there against a shaky offensive line and get him

753
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: killed in a preseason game. Then start him with the

754
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: ones last week, give him two series full series with

755
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: the ones, and give him those opportunities, because Brissette will

756
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: get him in the second and third preseason games, and

757
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 2: he got him yesterday in the joint practice. So it

758
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: just it feels like all these different things, I'm starting

759
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: to second guess a lot, and that to me is worrisome.

760
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 2: But I want to turn the page because we could

761
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: talk another forty five minutes about all this. So take

762
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: some of these phone calls and emails, and we got

763
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of emails rolling in as well, and then

764
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: we have some other things we wanted to get to.

765
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: But let's get to the phone lines, because these guys

766
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: have been waiting. Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?

767
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: Hey?

768
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: How you doing? Guys good?

769
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: How are you good?

770
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: So every year I make my fantasy team name something

771
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 4: to do with the Patriots. This year is very niche.

772
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: It's the Manhattan Project Nice. I don't think anyone is

773
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: going to get it, because no one in my fantasy

774
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 4: is from is from New England. But you know, I

775
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: think that I think it's.

776
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: A good one.

777
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: I know that you guys discussed, you know, the offensive

778
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: coaches having a come to Jesus meeting about the offensive line,

779
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: and obviously that's the offensive line needs to be addressed.

780
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: But do you think that, you know, after playing the

781
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: Patriots defense every day and being able to kind of

782
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 4: adjust your game plan to them, and playing the Panthers

783
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: stadium maintenance workers that they trotted out there during the

784
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: preseason game, you know, after getting their butts sticked by

785
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: the Eagles and a good defense, do you think that

786
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: this is going to kind of make a VP realize

787
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: the changes that he's going to need to make, not

788
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 4: to like in game adjustments, but just the philosophy of

789
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: this offense and how he's going to shape game plans

790
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 4: right from the start rather than you know, adjusting on

791
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: the fly to a defense, but you know, the core

792
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 4: philosophies that he's trying to implement because of the person

793
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: that he has.

794
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the question, Jeff, And we love the

795
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: fantasy football name. So it's a good question. It's the

796
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: game plan offense versus just trying to get yourself your

797
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: house in order, you know, to run things. You mentioned

798
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: earlier the continuity factor, and there's basically two there's a

799
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: fork in the road, and there's two ways that things go.

800
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: They can throw it all out and start putting throw

801
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: all the on the freaking floor on the and then

802
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: start putting them back up on the whiteboard. Or they

803
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: can just put their head down and say we're gonna

804
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: trust our stuff, like we're gonna trust ourselves, our coaching,

805
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: our system, and that in the coming weeks and months,

806
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: this will get better. Right if we stick stick to

807
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: the process and we stick to the plan, this would

808
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: get this will get better, and my gut tells me

809
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: that they are gonna go with the stick to the

810
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: process version at.

811
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: Least to start. It doesn't mean they're gonna start seventeen games,

812
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: but yeah, for first week or two.

813
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: My gut tells me that because if you read up

814
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: about these West Coast coaches and this offense and this

815
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: system and things like that, they'll all tell you, especially

816
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: in the run game, it takes a while for the

817
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: outside zone stuff to start to really stick and like

818
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: come to fruition because it's it's a rhythmic dance. It

819
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: needs to be drilled, it needs to be sequenced. It

820
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: all needs to be worked on over repet you know, repetition. Repetition.

821
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: Repetition is so big with this coaching tree that it

822
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: seems unrealistic me that they would just go out there

823
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: and throw it all away and say we need to

824
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: start completely from scratch, because my guess is in their

825
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: head they're saying, by a midway point this year into

826
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: year two, it'll start to come together, like it'll it'll

827
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: start to click, you know. And if you go back

828
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: and you look at some of these places, Sam Fran,

829
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: you know, Green Bay, Tennessee, even I think is a

830
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: good example when the floor was there and Tennessee as

831
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator. It takes time to run this kind

832
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 2: of scheme. So my guess is that they're gonna stick

833
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: their head in the dirt and just pray that it works.

834
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I also think it doesn't help that there's not there's

835
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: not a clear fix. Yeah, if it was in some

836
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: people might say it's Mike win wint right tackle. It's

837
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: probably as clear as you get, but.

838
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: They have too many there's too many holes at this point.

839
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: Right, So you're moving one guy off position and you're

840
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: putting a rookie in the lineup. That's not even if

841
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: you think it's better, and I think it might be better,

842
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: but it's not a clear fix, you know what I

843
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: mean by that?

844
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: It has a higher ceiling.

845
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: It has a higher ceiling, but it's not there's not

846
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: an obvious all right, Well, we'll put this guy in

847
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: for this guy and we're good.

848
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

849
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that makes it tougher to just

850
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: make the change like that. I'm with you. I think

851
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the starting offensive line for at

852
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: least the first few weeks, and maybe there's some in

853
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: game adjustments. Again, Bill used to do this where he'd

854
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: rotate one spot during a game and you get like

855
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: a sixty to forty split. Remember Cole Strange did that

856
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: his rookie year. I remember he rotated with but yeah,

857
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: he only played like sixty sixty five percent of his

858
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: first few games, maybe something like that. But I don't

859
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be sweeping change between now and week one.

860
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: So as bad as everything wants, last year, and I'm

861
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: not trying to say that it may it fixed all

862
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: their problems or anything like that, but last year they

863
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: felt pretty good, even though it didn't work out this

864
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: one right with Trent Brown at left tackle right like

865
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: he was an NFL left tackle, So moving Mike Onnuenu

866
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: to right tackle to fix that problem made sense because

867
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: they had a guy on the left side that they

868
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: felt was okay. In this situation, bold tackle spots are

869
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: an issue. And then if you move Landon Robinson up

870
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: into the starting lineup, now you have a rookie right

871
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: guard that you're not one hundred percent certain about either.

872
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: So now you have three issues bas rightly.

873
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: And and the other one would be just putting Kane

874
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: Wallace back in at left tackle. That's what I would do.

875
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: That's what i'd move Mike Winu. That's what I would

876
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: But that's also you're putting a rookie career right tackle

877
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: in college at left tackle, and that's not a gart

878
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: that's hardly guaranteed fix either. Look, I think Caan Wallace

879
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: can be a serviceable right tackle in the NFL, like

880
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: starting caliber, I don't know about all pro, but like

881
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: a starting caliber, decent right tackle. But that's that doesn't

882
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: mean that's going to translate to the other side.

883
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would do too, because I I

884
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: feel like that was when they were at their best

885
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: in this camp for those couple of days. And granted

886
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: those couple of days were very fleeting and they very

887
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: long ago at this point in terms of camp days,

888
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: but those first couple of days and pads with Cad

889
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: and Wallace at left tackle, they looked okay. Yeah it

890
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: wasn't I'm not telling you it was the nineties Cowboys,

891
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: but they looked okay, and then they were serviceable. They

892
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we got back into practice after

893
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: a day off and Vederian Lowe was at left tackle

894
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: and Kayden Wallace was with the twos, and it never

895
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: went back, and I didn't understand at the time. I

896
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: didn't know what Kaden Wallas did to be essentially be

897
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: demoted at that point of the summer. Yeah, it just

898
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: it didn't make any sense then. It doesn't make much

899
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: sense now, all right, Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty?

900
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 4: What is up? Guys?

901
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Hey?

902
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 5: So I was thinking maybe the plan coming into the season,

903
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: and this may still be the plan. It's sort of

904
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 5: break man like like the Chiefs treated Patrick Mahomes, where,

905
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: you know what, We're just essentially gonna sit the kid

906
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 5: for the entire year. Maybe we'll give him a game

907
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 5: or a game or two, because you know, his rookie year.

908
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 5: They they were still only playing sixteen games. And I

909
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: was on record, I've been on record, I've been on

910
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 5: board with him starting week one. But Evan, I listened

911
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 5: to the whole cast yesterday and I'm starting to uh

912
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 5: to what I'm thinking. I'm walking that back and you know,

913
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: until they get this line settled, I mean I might,

914
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 5: I might be on board with him sitting almost the

915
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 5: whole season, you know, barring something happened to Jacobe Verssett.

916
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 5: But do you guys think at a point like at

917
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 5: a certain point where they're maybe mathematically eliminated. Well, let's

918
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 5: just say that that is the plan. We're sitting them

919
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 5: practically the whole year. But if they do get to

920
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 5: a point where they're mathematically eliminated, do you think they

921
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: just say through it, Let's let's get it. Let's have

922
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 5: him get his experience. Now, a little bit of experience,

923
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 5: and just cross our fingers, hold our breath and hope

924
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 5: the freaking kid doesn't get hurt. And I'll take it

925
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 5: off the here and thanks for as always.

926
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, appreciate you listen yesterday.

927
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: The last thing is the key there.

928
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I look at I agree with everything that

929
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: he said about that piece of it, because I'm at

930
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 2: you mentioned it earlier. I was Drake made the doors

931
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: open for week one. I am so far from that at.

932
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: The spit told him.

933
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: They they are so not even close to ready for

934
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: him that I am now at the point where I

935
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: I probably look at it now and say, does he

936
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: start the last couple of games of this year just

937
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: to get his feet wet in the NFL and make

938
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: a couple of starts to go into year two with

939
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: some experience. I think Patty mentioned Patrick Mahomes right, he

940
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: started his last game his rookie season.

941
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: Which means, yeah, they already finished.

942
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was a Week seventeen game and now

943
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: would be a Week eighteen game for the Patriots. I'm

944
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: at the point where that that is now on the table.

945
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: But as much as I'm changing my tune on that,

946
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't want it to come across that it's because

947
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: of Drake May. I'm changing my tune to that because

948
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: a because of the dumpster fire that is going on

949
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: on the offensive line right now, but B because I

950
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: feel like Dave mishandled the whole situation at this point

951
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: where he's not going to be ready any sooner than that. Yeah,

952
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: And that that's the part that I want to hold

953
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: them accountable for, is that this did not have to

954
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: get to this point like he should have been able

955
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: to start earlier on in his rookie career. He should

956
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: have he should have been able to start at some

957
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: point as a rookie and play meaningful games as a rookie.

958
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: And that's not going to happen now. I don't And

959
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: if I had to say today on August fourteenth, that's

960
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: not gonna happen.

961
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: It can change. But no, I'm I'm with you. I'm

962
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm more annoyed about the line thing because I think

963
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: the lack of reps is a product of the offensive line.

964
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I Gerdmeo said that was the least part of it,

965
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: So that's the part that bugs me. But to to

966
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: to Patty's point, there, does he just play you know,

967
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: one or two games at the end of the year,

968
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: you see where he's at. Maybe throw him in blowouts,

969
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, during the season. I think I don't. I

970
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: think Mahomes played in a few other games, like where

971
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were up big. And may be wrong on that,

972
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: but it all comes down to whether or not they

973
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: think they can keep them healthy. Because what would be

974
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: a true nightmare scenario, No, Mahomes only played that one game, Okay,

975
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: what would be a true nightmare scenario is you get

976
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: to that point late in the year where like, okay,

977
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in after you've already I don't

978
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: want to say stunted his development, but delayed the timeline,

979
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: and then he gets hurt, and now does he miss

980
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: time next year? And now he's just so far behind

981
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: schedule that you know you're gonna be getting to the

982
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: point where you got to decide on his fifty year option,

983
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: and you may not have a full picture of what

984
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: he is, so it it makes sense, but you have

985
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: to be able to protect him. And are they gonna

986
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: get there at some point this season? I don't know.

987
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I just don't know.

988
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: And it should be able to for one game where

989
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: you can scheme it up and you can get the

990
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: ball out of his hands quickly, and you can move

991
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: the pocket and all these kinds of things one game

992
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: in January, when you've had seventeen weeks to try to

993
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: figure out this the offensive line to get it to

994
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: be representable. They should be able to play him for one.

995
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: Game their games in starting in December, just looking what

996
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: helps them. There aren't any real dominant pass rushes in here. Colts, Cardinals,

997
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: the Bills of a good pass rush, but that's mostly interior.

998
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm assuming von Miller's Cook Chargers and then Bills again, So.

999
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: The Bills, I mean Everysso that's true. Yeah, but I

1000
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: hear you, like, yeah, it's.

1001
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: Well, I was just looking like I forgot if like,

1002
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: for instance, the the I know most of the schedule,

1003
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: but like the rams are at the end and they've

1004
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: got some some dogs and pasts the Dolphins there at

1005
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: the end, Guys like Jalen Phillips.

1006
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: Like a week team jam against the Bills, who here

1007
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: very easily could have everything locked up that they can

1008
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: possibly lock up.

1009
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they will.

1010
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe seeding, but like they're not going out there

1011
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: playing for play their lives in that game. Maybe that

1012
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: that's a point where they can they can get them

1013
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: in there, and it's one of the you know, those

1014
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: four corner offense games for Buffalo.

1015
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: That but like you said, like you said before, you

1016
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: can scheme ways around it. And that's what kind of

1017
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: confuses me so much about the preseason handling of it.

1018
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: There's immense value in him just going out getting the

1019
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: line pre snap, making the reads, making the communications, and

1020
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: then you can just have him hand it.

1021
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: Off, yeah, or throw a ball into the flatter screen.

1022
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: Right like you don't need to call your full playbook.

1023
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Just give them the experience of going out there, and

1024
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: you can certainly mitigate his chances of getting hit, rollouts,

1025
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: things like that. So I understand not putting him out

1026
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: there and having him run like a four he its offense. Yeah,

1027
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: I totally understand that and not running some of these

1028
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: more complex calls that have two even three cut routes

1029
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: in them that take more time. Like, yeah, don't put

1030
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: him out there and have him do that. I'm with

1031
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: you on that. You can go out there and hand

1032
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: it off. If he's getting hit, handing the ball off,

1033
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: there's much much, much bigger problem.

1034
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't have because Bailey's Appy played in that

1035
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: game just fine the other night for the lion's share

1036
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: of it. And that's the other part that I think

1037
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: is so frustrating, because I agree with you one hundred

1038
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: percent about what you said that procedurally, he could get

1039
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: into a game and just kind of go through the

1040
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: motions of what it's like to call the play in

1041
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: the huddle, to get to the line of scrimmage, make checks,

1042
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: make alerts, you know, whatever the his cans, you know,

1043
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: if it's a run, pass, whatever, and hand the ball

1044
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: off thirty times that you can do that. The other

1045
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: thing I would say is is that was there any

1046
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: better team in the preseason that they'll face then the

1047
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers practice squad, Right, he was gonna play a

1048
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: bunch of bumps, Like if they put him in the game,

1049
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: with tomorrow night against the Eagles, and the Eagles play

1050
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: some of their guys, Like, he's gonna be facing a

1051
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: team that's that's loaded defensively and especially on the defensive front.

1052
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: So that was the opportunity. The opportunity was to play

1053
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: him against the freaking Panthers, right, like the third string

1054
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: defensive line. Like what, at what point, there's no Zappi

1055
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: was fine? Like Zappi is pressured on like thirty percent

1056
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 2: of his dropbacks in that game. It wasn't anything. Alarm it.

1057
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything. It wasn't Dallas.

1058
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: Well, but they didn't know that going in. They may

1059
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: have thought it was gonna be worse than that.

1060
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: They thought it against Carolina's practice squad, they thought was

1061
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: gonna be worse.

1062
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: Well, well, here's the thing. They kept the group the same,

1063
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: So maybe they were encouraged by what they saw just

1064
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: just reading teaies.

1065
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, it's officially back to school season and

1066
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1067
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1068
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1069
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Speaker 2: Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the New

1072
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Speaker 2: England Patriots. All right, let's get to some of these

1073
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 2: emails and we'll do three up, three down.

1074
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: We got a few more calls too.

1075
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: We do have a few more calls. I'll get you

1076
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: guys in a second. So this is an email from

1077
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: David in Maine. First question, based off of everything that

1078
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: everybody's hearing and what he's you know, listening to and

1079
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 2: us and things like that, the offense is bad because

1080
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: of the offensive line and specifically the offensive tackles. Yes,

1081
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: And he's just wondering if that notion is correct that

1082
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: this is all the offensive line. I wouldn't say it's

1083
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: all the offensive lines ever, all one thing, right football.

1084
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: I thought yesterday, you know, we haven't talked a ton

1085
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: about Jacob Brisett his day.

1086
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: He's had a tough couple days here.

1087
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: His accuracy has been sporadic. Yeah, the last couple of days,

1088
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: I thought he had some opportunities. And this is where

1089
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 2: I kind of get fired up about not giving Drake

1090
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: may some of these reps because I did think yesterday

1091
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: that Jacobber said, had some clean pockets and had some

1092
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: ability to push the ball down the field. He was

1093
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: just missing throws. He missed a wide open Austin Hooper

1094
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: for what would have been a really nice touchdown down

1095
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: the field. Hooper ran like a seam splitter against his

1096
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: too high structure, looked like quarters and just shot right

1097
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: up the middle of the defense through the zone and

1098
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: was behind the defense and was open in the end zone,

1099
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: and Jacobyber said, overshot him. He threw a ball behind

1100
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton that Darius Slay ended up getting a hand

1101
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 2: in late into the passing window or into in between

1102
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: you know, the catch point, and that should have been

1103
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: out in front of Taekwon Thornton and should have been caught.

1104
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: He threw one to Jalen Rager in the two minute

1105
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: that was complete that Rager caught but was wrong shouldered right.

1106
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: He like made rigor adjusted to it. It's kind of

1107
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: like the throw Zappy made to Kaishon Booty in the

1108
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: preseason game last Thursday night, where it was one of

1109
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: those like no no yes plays right where it was

1110
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: like he threw it inside when it should have been

1111
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: outside and the corner jumped it, but the corner missed

1112
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: it and I couldn't break it up. There's just those

1113
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: like little things there with his ball placement where it's like, yeah,

1114
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: that throw was where it should have gone, the reads

1115
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: are where he should be going, his eyes are and

1116
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: feet are in the right place. As he's generally accurate,

1117
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: but there's just times with Jakobe Brissett where I'm left

1118
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: wanting a little bit more where You're just like, if

1119
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: that was just a little bit of a better throw there,

1120
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: then they have a big play or they have a

1121
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: yards after catch opportunity. I'll give you another example. Yesterday,

1122
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: they ran a I believe it was like a leaked

1123
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: type of play where Austin Hooper kind of snuck out

1124
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: on the wheel route and it worked like there was

1125
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: it kind of was like a busted coverage for the

1126
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: Eagles and he was wide open. Instead of hitting him

1127
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: in stride, Austin Hooper had to go up and high

1128
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: point the ball and adjust to the ball in the air,

1129
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: and the safety came over and tapped him down. If

1130
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: that ball hits Austin Hooper in stride, then he's up

1131
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: the sideline and he's running with it. These are just

1132
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 2: the little mini things, like minor things which Kobe Weressett

1133
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: with his ball placement that if he just had a

1134
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: little bit more class like it was just a little

1135
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: bit better that they these plays would hit for more

1136
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: explosives or bigger plays down the field and things of

1137
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: that nature. So I think there's a little bit of

1138
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: that going on with the first team offense right now.

1139
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: That his ball placement's been kind of sporadic over the

1140
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: last couple of days, and it was in the preseason game,

1141
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: I felt like a little bit too. And then the

1142
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: other thing was outside of Pop Douglas, their receivers, I

1143
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: don't think we're uncovering all that consistently.

1144
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: Most of their catches were contested catches.

1145
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: Hooper was getting open a little bit, and I think

1146
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: that speaks to the tight end in this offense viable

1147
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: option and Hunter Henry should be a viable option. And

1148
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: Pop came alive in the in Jacoby Brissett's two minutes

1149
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: and his hurry up at the end of practice. Pop

1150
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: made a few catches to get them down the field

1151
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: in that instance, But other than that, it does it

1152
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: still doesn't feel like there's a ton of explosives down

1153
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: the field, like deep opportunities. A lot of it is

1154
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: underneath stuff and check downs and passes into the flat

1155
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: or quick outs or whatever.

1156
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I would just say to

1157
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: the original question, like how much of this is the tackles.

1158
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Everything's always a little bit of everything, but like the

1159
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: tackles are the biggest issue, I would also say, I

1160
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: think some of these other issues the offense, you know,

1161
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback and the receivers. You can't develop timing if

1162
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: you can't get the play set up. Yeah, and we

1163
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: saw them handle this last year in past years by

1164
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: running more seven on seven's in practice and taking the

1165
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: line out of it. They haven't necessarily done that this year.

1166
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: I think they want to drill the offensive line as

1167
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: much as possible to try to get it figured out.

1168
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: But ultimately, what it comes down to is there's not

1169
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: as the I've been as many opportunities to develop chemistry

1170
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: in the passing game, and you're seeing that.

1171
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. The second part of David's question is about all

1172
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: the cap space that they have. The Patriots are about

1173
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: forty two million dollars right now under the cap, which

1174
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: I believe is number one in the league. He's just

1175
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: asking if it rolls over, and yes, one hundred percent

1176
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: of the cap space rolls over year to year, so

1177
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: they will be able to roll over all this space

1178
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: into next off season. So he said, you know, they

1179
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: paid you on, they obviously can pay jud On if

1180
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: they want to pay Youdon. Yeah, but the biggest thing

1181
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: to me with the cap space is that once they

1182
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: missed out on Calvin Ridley, and it didn't seem like

1183
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: they loved the rest of the free agent market this offseason.

1184
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 4: Right.

1185
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: It seemed to me as though they said, instead of

1186
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: overpaying in free agency for like C plus talent, let's

1187
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 2: just keep the war chest and we'll keep the cap space,

1188
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: will roll it into next off season and then hopefully

1189
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five we make some splashes.

1190
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: DK met Calf.

1191
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually don't mind the approach because we learned

1192
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: our lesson in twenty twenty one, where you go out

1193
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: and you pay like overpay for guys you know, Johnny Smith,

1194
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 2: Nelson Aguilar, like those players, and then you're like stuck

1195
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: with that core for like two or three years cap wise,

1196
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 2: and then that puts you into a tight spot.

1197
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: It would bother me less if they just paid Judon. Yeah,

1198
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: just game him through this year. Just put a band

1199
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: aid on a game through this year and then you

1200
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: can part ways. But meanwhile, he was awesome in practice

1201
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: yesterday and he's going one hundred and ten percent. He's

1202
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: totally bought in. He's giving them every reason to pay him.

1203
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah for whatever, that's that's totally fair.

1204
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: They probably should pay Jude On and hopefully will here

1205
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 2: soon and they can do that with their cap space

1206
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: and all that. But just lasting on the cap space

1207
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 2: like it obviously didn't work out with Brandon Nyuk, but

1208
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: that's a great example of Brandon Nyuk all of a

1209
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: sudden becomes available potentially via trade in the middle of August,

1210
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: which almost never happens, but it did happen in this instance,

1211
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: and now suddenly they had It's so easy for the

1212
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 2: Patriots now to just cut the check and acquire Brandon.

1213
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: I you it isn't a problem. Whereas if they were

1214
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: up against the cap because they spent all this money

1215
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: in free agency and you know, got rid of all

1216
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: of it, all the cap space, then all of a sudden,

1217
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: now we're in a conversation about how do you move

1218
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: the cap space around and how do you figure it

1219
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: out to get him on the roster. Same could be

1220
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: true if it's at the deadline or something like that.

1221
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: That a you know, CD Land DK, that Calf you're

1222
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: one of your guys, comes available at the deadline. Now

1223
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: you have some wiggle room. So I don't mind that

1224
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 2: they they they held serve with the cap space because

1225
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 2: I feel like they will be better used in future management.

1226
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: Regardless of you know, what happens this year, It'll be

1227
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: better used in future times. All right, let's see here, Uh, okay,

1228
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about the offensive line and how

1229
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: bad it is. Obviously, so I'm trying to read these

1230
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: emails while hosting the show, which is not good radio.

1231
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: Take the call and well we're answering the call. You

1232
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: can read the emails and figure out which one.

1233
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good idea. All right, Brad is in Ohio.

1234
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: What's up, Brad? Brad you're on the air. O. Hey,

1235
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: how's it going, Brad?

1236
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 6: How you got doing today?

1237
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: Good?

1238
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Good?

1239
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 6: I was wondering. I agree with you guys so much.

1240
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 6: I just think that Drake's being not used properly. I mean,

1241
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 6: we've got to get this guy some reps. I mean

1242
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 6: He's got the throwing ability that Jacoby Marys just doesn't

1243
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 6: or Jacoby Bursett I'm sorry, doesn't have. And you know,

1244
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 6: I mean proving this in practice, he's out playing him.

1245
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 6: So what what on earth are we We're actually gonna

1246
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 6: sit him on the bench. I mean, I know, the

1247
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 6: offensive line is the trocious and we don't have tackles.

1248
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 6: And Kyden Wallace shouldn't be on the left side. He

1249
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 6: proved that in the preseason game. But on the right

1250
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 6: side he looked good and Landon Roberts did, so we

1251
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 6: got three really effective right guards. And you know, I'm

1252
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 6: just really confused about our offensive line, and you guys

1253
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 6: are so on to the you know, the fact about it.

1254
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 6: What do you think I mean? And who's the better

1255
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 6: receiver Thornton or reagor running Rowls hands. I mean, there's

1256
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 6: so many problems. I just thought, you know, at first,

1257
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 6: I was optimistic. Now I'm kind of looking at the

1258
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 6: season and the future, like what's Jared Mayo doing. I'm confused.

1259
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 6: I guess maybe any insight.

1260
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks Bratt, thanks for the call. I understand

1261
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: I understand all your everybody that's a Patriots fan. I

1262
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: totally understand all your frustrations with what's being told to you,

1263
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: and we're just telling you what we see. We're not

1264
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: trying to kill anybody. We're not trying to be negative.

1265
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: If we could come out here and say they had

1266
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: a great day yesterday against Eagles, we would we would,

1267
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: you know. With the with the offensive line, I feel

1268
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 2: like we've beaten that drum a little bit to death

1269
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: at this point. I still feel like that the best

1270
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: thing to do at this point with their offensive line

1271
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: is to elevate Kid and Wallace to left tackle with

1272
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: the top group and just sink or swim with with

1273
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: some of the younger players that they have in this roster.

1274
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: You know, city so second year guy Caden Wallace at

1275
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: right or left tackle, excuse me, just let the rookie

1276
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: kind of learn on the fly, trial by fire, and

1277
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna have bumps in the road and it's not

1278
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: gonna be pretty at times, I'm sure, but it also

1279
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: is not gonna be pretty. Evederian Lowe is the starting

1280
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: left tackle either, So I'd rather go with the guy

1281
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: that has developmental upside and that you're invested in as

1282
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: the future. Enter the Raiger Thornton question. Yeah, I think

1283
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting one because not to hype

1284
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: up either player, like either one of them is anything

1285
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: special necessarily, but it's interesting to be because they seem

1286
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: to be fighting for the same role in the offense

1287
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: and sort of the same roster spots result. So I

1288
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: had them both on my last fifty three man roster

1289
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: projection and I had Booty as the oddoan out, so

1290
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: you can go that direction. But either way, only one

1291
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: of those guys is actually gonna see real playing time

1292
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: in games. It seems to the seesaw to me like

1293
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: which one looks better in terms of playing receiver. Obviously

1294
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: we know Rager can return, but in terms of actual

1295
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: receiver play, there's Rager days and there's Thornton days, and

1296
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: it kind of just goes back and forth a little bit.

1297
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: But isn't that the tiebreaker? What else can you do?

1298
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: And I thought Jalen Rager looked really good as a

1299
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: kick returner yesterday against the Eagles.

1300
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: So.

1301
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: I still think Rager has the edge. I still have

1302
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: Booty on because he gives you something different, and I

1303
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: know there's some overlap with Jalen Polk, but if they

1304
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: want to ease the rookie, and especially if Kendrick Bourne

1305
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: is going to start on PUP, I just think it

1306
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: makes sense to have Booty on the roster.

1307
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the biggest reason why I had him off.

1308
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: Was more stylistically. I always think I used this analogy

1309
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: a lot, but I always think of receivers and cornerback rooms.

1310
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: Like basketball teams. You know, you have one through five,

1311
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: and you want to have a point guard, shooting guard,

1312
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: small forward, power forward, center. You don't want five centers, right,

1313
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: you didn't, but you also don't want five point guards.

1314
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: So you want to have different types of skill sets

1315
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: and different types of body types, you know, inside outside guys,

1316
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: you know, different skill sets in general, and to me,

1317
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: kish on Booty, it has the same exact skill set

1318
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: as Bourne, Osbourne, Polk Baker, like all those guys kind

1319
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: of play the game the same way. Similar build, similar

1320
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, inside outside versatility, similar route tree, like all

1321
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: of it. So he's the fifth receiver if you keep him,

1322
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: he's the fifth receiver on the team that plays that way.

1323
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: And you have Borne, who when he's healthy, is going

1324
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:47,479
Speaker 2: to play well.

1325
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: So I put Booty on, but with the idea that

1326
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I exactly wrote this, But you're

1327
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: going to have to open up a roster spot form

1328
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: when he comes off pup.

1329
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, mat right, But you're gonna have just for the

1330
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: long term, yeah, because Bourne's gonna play at some point.

1331
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: So you have Bourne who's gonna play, yeah, you have

1332
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: Osborne who is gonna play, yeah, and then you have

1333
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: the Bolt the rookies who are also going to play.

1334
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: So we're keeping Kaishan Boudi on the roster to be

1335
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: a game day scratch.

1336
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's basically he's just giving I basically kept

1337
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: him because I think he's the best depth option until

1338
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: Kendrick Born comes back. Okay, you're saying long term, when

1339
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: Kendrick Borne comes back. I mean, if somebody else gets hurt,

1340
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: maybe you keep me, keep a bunch of wide receivers.

1341
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: But the idea would be like, he's just keeping that

1342
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: spot warm Untilkendrick Born.

1343
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: Comes Okay, fair enough, Yeah, it could go either way.

1344
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: They would. I would say, if I had to lean

1345
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: one direction with Raager and Thorton, I would read slight

1346
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: Rager right now. The returnability is there, and I do

1347
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: think that he's a little bit more consistent in practice

1348
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: in terms of his receiver play taekwons is his speed

1349
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: plays more like Taekwon's a faster guy, and he his

1350
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: vertical like his third level speed is better than Jalenragers

1351
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: to actually get down the field and make those plays happen.

1352
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: But Rager it seems to me like a little bit

1353
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: more consistent and well rounded. So I'd go slight lean

1354
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: towards Rager on that one. I wanted before we do

1355
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: three up, three down and talk about Thursday night, I

1356
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: want to do talk about the defense a little bit

1357
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: from yesterday because I realized we got into an hour

1358
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 2: into the show of me screaming about the offense podcast

1359
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: and I didn't talk at all about the defense full disclosure,

1360
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: do just to watch the defense, and I watched the offense.

1361
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: I watched the defense perfect.

1362
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: So I'm going to react mostly to what you're telling me.

1363
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: But what I saw out of the defense, at least

1364
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: on the whole when I was able to kind of

1365
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: look over there, was that they were definitely holding their

1366
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: own more than the Patriots offense was, and it kind

1367
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: of went exactly how you would expect this to go. Now,

1368
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: with that being said, I looked over a couple of times,

1369
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: and Jalen Hurts was throwing dimes to AJ Brown down

1370
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: the field, where I was like, yeah, those two guys

1371
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: are still really damn good and that's gonna happen every

1372
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: once in a while. But I was wasn't looking over

1373
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: there and seeing play, you know, tons and tons of

1374
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: plays down the field for the Eagles. But he threw

1375
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: one to AJ Brown that I did catch into like

1376
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: the honey hole in his zone coverage where he just

1377
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 2: like feathered it over Alex Austin and dropped it in

1378
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: a bucket to AJ Brown like an in stride to

1379
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: AJ Brown, where I just was like, holy hell, like

1380
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: that that right there is like a Pro Bowl caliber

1381
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: quarterback and one of the best receivers in the league

1382
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: just being too good, like you can't defend that, you know,

1383
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: type of thing. But in general, what you know, who

1384
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 2: stood out on the defensive side of the ball.

1385
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: So I thought Matthew Judon had a really good practice.

1386
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: He was Hurts his pressure quite a bit, some of

1387
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: those stories he made he made under duress. I thought

1388
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Patriot's pass rush was good, Judon was good, Gonzalez was better.

1389
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: He was really good against AJ Brown in one on ones,

1390
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: which stood out, and then they put him more on

1391
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith in team Yeah, and he was solid. I

1392
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: thought he had a definitely that not if he'd had

1393
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: that day going up against the Patriots receivers, I'd be

1394
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: a little more worried. But to have the day he

1395
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: had against a J. Brown Defontet Smith, you feel pretty

1396
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: good about it. I thought BYL. Peppers had a pretty

1397
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: good day. You know, he was going up against Dallas Goddard,

1398
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: had a couple of really physical pass breakups. So you know,

1399
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: three of the best players on the defense obviously, no duh.

1400
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: I'd say the one guy under the radar Marco Wilson. Yeah,

1401
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: was competitive throughout the day, and he's one of the favorites.

1402
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: I think he might be the favorite at this point

1403
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: for that second boundary spot as long as Jonathan Jones

1404
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: out opposite Christian Zalez, and that obviously still a roster

1405
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: spot even when Jones comes back. So I those were

1406
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: the guys that mainly stood out to me. You know,

1407
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: a couple others in there here or there, but but

1408
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: Judon was a force, and I thought the defensive front

1409
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: as a whole represented well. There were just some times

1410
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: that they got pressure and Jalen Hurts made a play anyway,

1411
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: and I know that, Like, I think the number was

1412
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: like twenty four to twenty seven or something for Jalen Hurts,

1413
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: and people say, how did the defense look so good?

1414
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: When he completed that many passes? A lot of those

1415
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: were like two yard checkdowns. Yeah, a lot of those

1416
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: were him just getting the ball out to get the

1417
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: ball out. And that's the difference between him and a

1418
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: guy like Kober Sat or Drake May. He's under pressure,

1419
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: he was able to then handle it and make something

1420
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: happen because that's what goold quarterbacks do, even if that's

1421
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: something wasn't exciting, but they pressured him a ton yesterday.

1422
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my biggest takeaways as there was a

1423
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: lot of heat on the quarterback.

1424
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminds me. Sorry, you remember the

1425
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: Week one game last year where he played decent even

1426
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: though like they were in his face the whole game. Yeah, yeah,

1427
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: it was kind of like that.

1428
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's I think Jalen Hurts are really good.

1429
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: I think Jalen hurt is going to bounce back this year.

1430
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 2: And he looked like he was going in that. It

1431
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: looks like he's on his way to that based off

1432
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: of what we saw yesterday. The other thing I would

1433
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 2: just say about what I saw defensively, I agree with

1434
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: you with Christian Gonzalez, and I know this is becoming

1435
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: a storyline with Christian Gonzalez. He is so far down

1436
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: the list of the people I'm worried about with this team,

1437
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: and I understand that people are just trying to be objective,

1438
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: and he has given up more catches in this camp

1439
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: than I feel like he did as a rookie last year.

1440
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 2: But then I went back and looked at my notes

1441
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: from the Green Bay joint practice yesterday, and he gave

1442
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: up some plays to Christian Watson in those practices in

1443
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Yeah, so maybe I'm just misremembering him so

1444
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: not completely, but like overrated his rookie camp just maybe

1445
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: a little bit in my eye, in my top of mind.

1446
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: And then they got into the regular season and he's

1447
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 2: going toe to toe with AJ Brown and Tyreek Hill

1448
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: and Garrett Wilson and he's the rookie of the month. Right, Yeah,

1449
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 2: so I get that. Yes, I agree that he's probably

1450
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: given up more catches in this camp than I was expecting.

1451
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: And I would also say I totally understand that people

1452
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: don't want to crown him yet off of four games

1453
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: or really three and a half games from his rookie season.

1454
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: But to me, he's one of those guys where when

1455
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: the lights turn on for real, like he'll turn on

1456
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: for real and right now in practice, he just kind

1457
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: of goes to the motions a little bit at times,

1458
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: which I don't love, but like it just is his

1459
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: personality and he's just not one of these he doesn't

1460
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: he's not necessarily like one of those tie law type

1461
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: of corners where it's like nobody ever completes a pass

1462
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: on me ever, right, Like, he's not necessarily his demeanor.

1463
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: So I thought that yesterday he showed well against those

1464
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: two receivers, and if that's the type of guy that

1465
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: you're getting in game, and when I say show well,

1466
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: I feel like he also turned it up maybe a

1467
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: notch because he was going up against AJ Brown and

1468
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna treat

1469
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: this like it's live, like this is real, and it

1470
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: felt like he turned it up a little bit, and

1471
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty decent. What did you see

1472
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: and what have you thought of Keon White?

1473
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: So far didn't stand out as much. I mean, he

1474
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: was part of the pressure, but didn't I wouldn't say

1475
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: he took over like maybe you were waiting for him

1476
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: to do that wasn't bad, But I wouldn't. It wasn't

1477
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: doesn't like immediately come to mind when I think of

1478
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: the best players.

1479
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's someone that I'm is a little bit

1480
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: on my radar because I hear a lot of you know,

1481
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: the people in the media tent saying that he's had

1482
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: this great summer. And I'll fully admit that we take

1483
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: an approach with us with us coverage wise that I

1484
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: watch the offense most of the time for most of practice.

1485
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: But he is someone that I'm still waiting to see

1486
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: some of that finesse out of. And he can go

1487
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: through blocks, and I have no doubt about that, he

1488
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: can press blocks. I have no doubt about, you know,

1489
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: standing up guys and things like that. I just don't

1490
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: see him get off blocks a ton.

1491
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: You're you're still really on this take. I just I

1492
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's saying he's going to be a top

1493
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: five pass rusher in the league.

1494
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like I'm on the take because in

1495
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 2: order for him to take this leap that I keep

1496
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: hearing about, you can't just be a pure like it's

1497
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: you can't just be a power rusher, like. He has

1498
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: to have other tools in his tool belt for him

1499
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: to be as good of a player as I hear

1500
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 2: some people think that he's going to be if even

1501
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: if like you know, I think last week we mentioned

1502
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,879
Speaker 2: like Trey Flowers. Yeah, like even to get to trade flowers,

1503
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to be more actually tangibly productive than

1504
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: what I've seen in practice. Like I just I feel

1505
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: like he's a linear athlete, and those types of guys

1506
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: that don't move well laterally and don't have a ton

1507
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: of wiggle or finesse or whatever you want to call

1508
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: it or fluidity with their movements, those are guys that

1509
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: get eat up a lot by blocks. Like you're just

1510
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: gonna get kind of run into the line of scrimmage

1511
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: and he just kind of gets swallowed, you know. Half

1512
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: the time, I'm just not there with Keon White. I

1513
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 2: don't know. I hear a lot of hype about him.

1514
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: I want to be there. I want to see it.

1515
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: I want to be like this guy is gonna take

1516
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 2: over for Judaan and like make Judon expendable and just

1517
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: trade out.

1518
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's like a takeover for Judon guy.

1519
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: I don't think they have that guy. I guess ideally

1520
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: be joshu Ja. For me, it's like Tetrikwi's a little

1521
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 1: bit older, contracts almost up, Like it's more that role

1522
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: for me, Like he's more of that kind of player.

1523
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, Corey is in Charlotte. What's up? Corey? Hey?

1524
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 4: How you doing?

1525
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: A good question? What do you guys think about? Like

1526
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 3: just I know you mentioned Drake may is like it's

1527
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: an incomplete grade on and I agree with that. I

1528
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 3: think because he's just not surrounded by better players, like

1529
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: just just starting with the ones on the old line,

1530
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 3: starting with the ones with the wire Receiven tight ends

1531
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: and just let's let's just see what we got, because

1532
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 3: I mean, we know what we know what PRIs set is,

1533
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 3: we know what Bailey is. Like, I'm still shot Bailey

1534
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 3: is still on it on the roster after that game

1535
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,839
Speaker 3: against the Panther, playing against guys who's gonna work at Walmart,

1536
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 3: Like that's been unacceptable. And also because of Joe Joe

1537
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: milsaying his skill set like put him I want to

1538
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 3: see him with the one wide receivers in old line,

1539
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 3: just see what we got, because I I do believe

1540
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 3: some players really just shine when they already surrounded by

1541
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 3: just better players.

1542
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 4: And what do you.

1543
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 3: Guys think about the d overall against the Eagles one yesterday?

1544
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 3: And I go there.

1545
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: All right, thanks to Corey, thanks for the call. Look,

1546
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: I I you're preaching the choir about Drake Bay getting

1547
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 2: some reps with the Ones, and I want to reiterate

1548
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: that to me, him getting reps with the Ones has

1549
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 2: nothing to do with him starting Week one, Like we're

1550
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: not We're right, we're too far past that point the

1551
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 2: door never you said this earlier about like the offensive line,

1552
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: and we're kind of at that point. We're at the

1553
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: point now where Drake May starting early on in the

1554
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: season or week one is off the table, Like it's

1555
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 2: too late. He is not playing Week one against against Cincinnati.

1556
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: What I'm more looking at it now is, okay, you

1557
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: know he's been in here since May, since the draft

1558
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: rooking Mini camp ota is mini camp, training camp, preseason game.

1559
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: Where's he at?

1560
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: Like?

1561
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: Can we just get a barometer of a met stick

1562
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 2: to try to like measure up of where is he

1563
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: is he only is he not even close? Is he

1564
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: seventy five percent? There is the eighty ninety whatever? I

1565
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: don't know because of who he's working with and what's

1566
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: going on around him. So if you can get him

1567
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: some reps in practice with the ones towards the end

1568
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: of training camp here and going into the regular season

1569
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 2: before they really need to give everything to Jacoe Brissett

1570
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: because he's gonna be playing in the games. Let's give

1571
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 2: him some opportunities now. Again, not to even talk about

1572
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: him starting, but just to get to a point where

1573
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: we can feel like we have some information about where

1574
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: he's at. Maybe they're looking at the preseason games as that,

1575
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: and maybe you know, this week, tomorrow and next Thursday,

1576
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: we'll get like a really good look at him in

1577
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: the preseason. He'll play thirty snaps or something like that,

1578
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: and that's where we'll go. But you're preaching to the

1579
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: choir with that want to do three up, three down?

1580
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well go one, we're calling up.

1581
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get down in a second. Let's do three up,

1582
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: three down. We'll do the ups first and then we'll

1583
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: take some of these other calls that are coming in

1584
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: and then we'll go go to the downs. This is

1585
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: sort of like a for me, this is kind of

1586
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: like going back to the last like week, right, Like

1587
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to base it off of just one

1588
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 2: practice or whatever. It's obviously the preseason game too, but

1589
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 2: so let's call it the last like week of Patriots. Okay, football.

1590
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: I weighed the last couple of days a little more,

1591
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: but that's fine.

1592
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: My number one up, Pop Douglas. Yep, I think the

1593
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas has come alive. No more red non contact jersey.

1594
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: He's been At times he's been literally unguardable, like like

1595
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: just especially in the slot on like the quick hitting

1596
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: stuff over the middle. He's been truly a breath of

1597
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: fresh air, like actually explosive, energetic receiver and has been

1598
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 2: opened a ton and and Kobe Brissett just continues to

1599
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: feed him like he's like, all right, this is obvious

1600
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 2: that I'm going where I'm going with the football here.

1601
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 2: I really excited what I've seen. How to pop. I

1602
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: still think that the two biggest things though with him

1603
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: not to make everything all, you know, constantly go negative

1604
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: on everything. What's his early down roll? Yeah, first and

1605
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: ten from the twenty five and they want to run

1606
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: the ball, Like, what, how does he get on the field?

1607
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: What's how does he factor into a twelve personnel? Is

1608
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 2: it just we're gonna put him out in the field

1609
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have him run jet sweeps and things

1610
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 2: like that, and that's how we're gonna avoid him having

1611
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: to block anybody for real? Or that's fine, But what's

1612
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: his early down roll and how do you feed him

1613
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: and keep him healthy? Right? Like that does that's a

1614
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 2: big thing too. But in terms of actually on the

1615
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: field with these with the production on the field in practice,

1616
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas has been on the rise for sure.

1617
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been excellent. Matt Dolff had a great line

1618
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: that he's no longer wearing on contact jersey, but it

1619
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,879
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter because nobody can touch him anyway. Yeah,

1620
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: the way he's running routes, he's been excellent. It's just

1621
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: how he gets on the field and how he stays

1622
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: on the field, that's the only question. If he stays healthy,

1623
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: he can be a thousand yard receiver. But he's gonna

1624
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: stay healthy.

1625
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, who's number two?

1626
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say so, I'm gonna replace Pop in mind

1627
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: because I had like a fourth, So we'll can't pop

1628
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, I'm gonna say Matthew Judo, Okay. I've

1629
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: been really impressed with him. He's been good. He's had

1630
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: a couple of good practices at good practice yesterday. He's

1631
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: clearly very involved, very engaged. He's playing with a ton

1632
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: of effort for a guy that's in his situation. I mean,

1633
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know it. You would think the way he's

1634
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: practicing right now. The contract situation was solved, and from

1635
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: where we were three weeks ago, that's something. Now, what

1636
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: this ultimately turns into in terms of his future, I

1637
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: don't know, but boys, he had a good week and

1638
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,839
Speaker 1: a half of camp. Just objectively as a football player,

1639
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: he's done everything you want to say.

1640
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like his energy that he is coming back,

1641
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: Like I feel like when the contract stuff, really when

1642
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: s really hit the fan with all that, he didn't

1643
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: feel or seemed like Matthew judont to me in terms

1644
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: of his energy and what he was bringing to the

1645
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 2: table and that respect looks like he's back into that mindset.

1646
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: Almost makes you wonder if there is something that's been

1647
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 2: agreed to in handshake agreement about.

1648
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: It We've been saying that for weeks, like maybe it's

1649
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: coming at.

1650
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 2: The end of camp or something. I don't know, Like

1651
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: it's just odd that all of a sudden he just

1652
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 2: is on board, you know, Like, yeah, I still know

1653
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: if he's fully on board, Like sometimes I look at

1654
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: him and I still feel like a little bit of

1655
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: trepidation from him. But he's certainly much much better. His

1656
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 2: attitude is much better than where it was the beginning

1657
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: of camp. So that's Number one for you is Judon, Yeah, okay,

1658
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 2: Number two for me is Jeremiah Farms. I just wanted

1659
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: to give him a shout out for the game last week.

1660
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 2: Mostly Yeah, five quarterback pressures, awes sack, two stuffs, two

1661
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: drawn holds on back to back plays in that game.

1662
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: He was everywhere. He was the best player on the

1663
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: field for the Patriots defense in a game where they

1664
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: dominated defensively. He was excellent. He's on the team. I

1665
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 2: don't think that's the question. Yeah, he's gonna make the team,

1666
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,839
Speaker 2: and maybe they have something with him there. He can play.

1667
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily put him over the nose all the time.

1668
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: I think he's more better stuited to play three technique

1669
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: and the type of scheme that they want to run.

1670
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 2: But I was really impressed with him on film and

1671
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: during the game live too, and I just feel like

1672
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 2: he's he's a menace, Like he's really stepped up. We'll

1673
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: see what it looks like in the regular season. And

1674
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to tell you that it's one for one. Oh,

1675
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 2: don't worry about Christian Barmore. Now, it's fine, But I

1676
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 2: do feel like they needed somebody to come out of

1677
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,879
Speaker 2: the woodwork a little bit step up for Christian Barmore,

1678
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah Farms has taken that opportunity.

1679
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: All right. So this one mine's basically based off of

1680
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: practice yesterday. Yeah, kickoff unit. They gave the Eagles hell

1681
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: and and look this rule. So you this rule is

1682
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: too new for me to know if this is more

1683
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: the Eagles being bad at it or the Patriots being

1684
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: good at it. But they had what six kickoffs during

1685
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: that period? Yeap one ray Kwon Ricmillan comes down the

1686
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: field force as a fumble. They had another didn't like

1687
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: that too much where they well get to that. They

1688
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 1: had another where they like line drives squibbed it and

1689
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: the the way the ball is spinning and where it

1690
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: landed relative the returners. The returner was so disoriented he

1691
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: picked up the ball and along the sideline. His next

1692
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: step was out of bounds at the two yard line,

1693
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: so you set the defense up at the two, and

1694
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: then they had another squib kick that looked like it

1695
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: was gonna do the same thing, and I think the

1696
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: Eagles just the frustration boiled over because he got a

1697
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: little bit of a shoving match there. Chapping happened right

1698
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: in front of Robert Kraft while he was live on

1699
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: the Sports Hub, which made for good radio. But yeah,

1700
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: it was they. I think they threw some things that

1701
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,839
Speaker 1: the Eagles that the Eagles weren't expecting, and that's encouraging.

1702
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: And even on kick return too, ray Quan McMillan did

1703
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: a big block. Jamichael Hasey laid somebody out, which he's

1704
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: not a big guy.

1705
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it seemed to me like the Eagles

1706
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: were reacting to. Is ray Kwan McMillan leveled somebody and

1707
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 2: it was maybe he was maybe at one percent and

1708
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: everybody else was at one hundred. Fine, yeah, no, I'm

1709
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 2: gonna say it's a bad thing. I'm I think that's why.

1710
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: No, But then you had that other one where it

1711
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: was like a perfectly placed squib kick, because some people

1712
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: will say, well, why not just let it roll out

1713
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: of bounds if it's that close to the sideline. One

1714
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: those low kicks, you don't have as much time to

1715
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: react and you maybe lose track of where you are

1716
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, the other thing that's important to remember,

1717
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: if the ball goes into like directly into the end

1718
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: zone or through the end zone, it's a touch back

1719
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: to the thirty. If the ball lands in the landing

1720
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: zone then goes into the end zone and you kneel

1721
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: on it or whatever, the touchback only goes to the twenty.

1722
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: So where the ball was rolling, it wasn't necessarily going

1723
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: to roll out of bounds. It was probably going to

1724
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: roll into the end zone just inside the pipeline. So

1725
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: you probably want to feel that because you don't want

1726
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: to start all the way back at the twenty. But again,

1727
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't think the guy knew where he was on

1728
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: the field because the ball got to him so quick

1729
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: and he's running, sprinting to get there that he steps

1730
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: out of bounds. So Patriots kickoff unit came ready yesterday.

1731
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: They were good.

1732
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: Jeremy Springer up. Sure sounds like some of those things

1733
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: where maybe things that they wanted to try out schematically, right,

1734
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: like squid kicks and things like that. That's not something

1735
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 2: you did. The players are just doing on the flyout.

1736
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: They've been that. That's that's a call. Yeah, and it's

1737
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: They're not the only team that's tried that. I mean,

1738
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: this is We've seen a lot of teams try these things.

1739
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: But it just I thought the execution was really good yesterday.

1740
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, Jemy Springer up. I love it.

1741
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

1742
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: My third is Leyden Robinson. Okay, I think Laban Robinson

1743
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: has been the best of the rest, if you want

1744
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 2: to call him that. I hate to call it that way,

1745
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, take Andrews and on WHENU and like

1746
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, you know this the stal warts out of it, right,

1747
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: like the the entrenched starters out of it, looking at

1748
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: that next wave of offensive linemen of who might be

1749
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: able to step up and push for playing time and

1750
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: uh maybe make this thing better. Yeah, Leyden Robinson, I

1751
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: thought it was great in the game last Thursday night.

1752
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: Really showed well, very physical, played through the whistle, finished

1753
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: blocks in the run game, held up well in pass

1754
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: pro gave up just a hurry and pass protection and

1755
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: a lot of snaps. He actually played I think the

1756
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: most snaps out of anybody on the team offensively last week.

1757
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 2: And then it was okay yesterday, won a couple reps

1758
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: in one on ones against the Eagles, who kind of

1759
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: dominated the one on ones and two v twos. I

1760
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: thought Leyden Robinson was was solid. It's hard to tell

1761
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: with the second unit in practice because there's a lot

1762
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: going on around him that's not very good. But he's

1763
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 2: been okay so far. And I know I didn't put

1764
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: him on the downs list, but cityso has been a

1765
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: little bit on my radar. I didn't think he was

1766
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 2: great in the game last week, kind of was playing

1767
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: a little out of control and just missed some blocks

1768
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 2: and things like that. And it wasn't great yesterday either.

1769
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like against the Eagles. So, whether it's

1770
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: on Window going out to right tackle, whether it's Leyden

1771
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: Robinson starting to compete more levely, you know, So has

1772
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 2: kind of been entrenched there at left guard since day one.

1773
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: Maybe Leyden Robinson starts to push him a little bit.

1774
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: Maybe that, you know, makes both guys better, right, Hopefully,

1775
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: iron sharp and iron. So I've liked what I've seen

1776
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: from Laydon Robinson. I think they may have found it's

1777
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: easier to find interior guys later in the draft, like

1778
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: on when he was a sixth round pick, Dave Anders undrafted, like,

1779
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: it's easy to do that. So maybe they found something

1780
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: with Laydon Robinson as a fourth round pick.

1781
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's shown some progress, and then the

1782
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: question is just when and how do you get him

1783
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: in the lineup because the interior has been fine? And

1784
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: are you moving Michael and Wennu what happens when Cole

1785
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: Strange comes back? It's just moving pieces. But he looks

1786
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: like a guy that will probably get some run at

1787
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: some point this year.

1788
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, who's your third?

1789
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: My third, Romandro Stevenson.

1790
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think he's.

1791
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: Moving really well. Anybody who watches this show or any

1792
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: of my shows knows one of my big pet peeves

1793
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 1: with the team. One of my biggest pet peeves with

1794
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: the team the last few years was the over usage

1795
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: of Vermandra Stevenson. And I don't mean that to say

1796
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: he's a bad player, because he's not. But any of

1797
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: these running but you look at these running back dominant teams.

1798
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: They always fall off late in the year because in

1799
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: the modern NFL it's just so hard to maintain that level.

1800
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: And Stevenson was top ten in touches two years ago.

1801
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 1: He was top ten in touches last year before he

1802
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: got hurt. And he told us at the end of

1803
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two season that it was getting to him,

1804
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: like physically, the workload was impacting him. And you know,

1805
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: he missed what month month and a half at the

1806
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: end of last year, with so a little extra time

1807
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: to kind of heal up, take care of his body

1808
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: things like that. I think he said he didn't lose weight,

1809
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: but redistributed it less body fat, more muscle, whatever it is.

1810
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 1: He looks a little more lean, and he's just getting

1811
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: in and out of cuts a little quicker. Things like that.

1812
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: He's got a little extra something in his step. He

1813
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: just looks healthy again. And I think that's good because

1814
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a better version. I've said

1815
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: this before. If it's one hundred and eighty touches versus

1816
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: two fifty, and I'm just using round numbers here, but

1817
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: like it's not that necessarily I want him touching the

1818
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: ball less because I think he's bad, but I think

1819
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: you get more bang for your buck. I think ultimately

1820
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: those one hundred and eighty or two hundred touches have

1821
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 1: more value than two fifty the four to five touches

1822
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: a game that could maybe go to another running back.

1823
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 1: Those add up by the time you get to like

1824
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in December and into January. They have Antonio Gibson now,

1825
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: who I think is a strong second option who I

1826
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: think the coaching staff will be willing to use. So

1827
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: I think they're in a better position to manage his

1828
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: workload better. I still think he's gonna be an important

1829
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: part of the offense. I still think he's gonna be

1830
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: very involved. But you know, I go back to the

1831
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy game in twenty twenty two against the Lions

1832
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: where they were up three scores with like three or

1833
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: four minutes to go. Game's over, yeah, and they're just

1834
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: running half back dive or duo or whatever it was

1835
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: with Ramondre Stevenson, and he's taking big hits, and it's like,

1836
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: can Kevin Harris not do this? Like he doesn't need

1837
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: to be taking these big hits and the game is over.

1838
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,639
Speaker 1: I feel like He's gotten a good chance to heal

1839
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 1: up after two very rough years, and I think that

1840
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: bodes well for him this season.

1841
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looked good, and I feel like Antonio Gibson

1842
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 2: has looked as advertising.

1843
01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: He's looked pretty good too.

1844
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, I think both those guys are trending in

1845
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: the right direction for the season. And Ramano Stevenson to

1846
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 2: me just looks a little bit more like he was

1847
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago breaking tackles. You know, in

1848
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: that preseason game, he bounces one outside, breaks the tackle

1849
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 2: eleven yards, Like those were the types of runs that

1850
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: he was making two years ago, you know, in twenty

1851
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: two at the beginning, and then in twenty one even

1852
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: when he was getting those opportunities, and then last year

1853
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 2: his yards after contact numbers plummeted. They were just terrible,

1854
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 2: like a full yard less than what it was the year.

1855
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: And I think it was just physically he was worn down.

1856
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know some of that was like he

1857
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 2: was getting contacted earlier in the play. And I have

1858
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,919
Speaker 2: all the fancy next gen stats that I could probably

1859
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 2: like rid him a blame of everything from last year,

1860
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: right with his production, but his yards per his yards

1861
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 2: per carry average. Ye, just the raw number was one

1862
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 2: yard less exactly, and then his yards after contact was

1863
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: one yard less exist So there you go. He wasn't

1864
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 2: breaking tackles the last year. He wasn't finishing runs last year,

1865
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: and I hopefully he's getting back to that way.

1866
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: I think you might see him He had a good

1867
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: stiff arm in the in the preseason game. But I

1868
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: think you might see him start running around guys more

1869
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: as much as through them, just because he looks a

1870
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: little quicker and it keeps you healthier.

1871
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, see, I love it. All right, let's do downs,

1872
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: then we'll answer the calls and we'll talk about tomorrow night.

1873
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 2: My number one down uh to me? Right now, the

1874
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: three most important figures in the Patriots organization are all down.

1875
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf, Grod Mayo, Alex van Pelt. We gotta be better,

1876
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf. The tackles are on you, okay. We've been

1877
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: talking about it since March. I gave you a chance,

1878
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: I gave you my trust. I said, I will allow

1879
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: you to show me that chuk sikora For is going

1880
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 2: to be viable, and show me that Mike on When

1881
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,839
Speaker 2: is a right tackle. I was skeptical, but I allowed

1882
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: for it not working. Right, your plan's not working already

1883
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 2: back to right tackle? On when who's already back to

1884
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: right guard? You lied to me? Okay? I feel hurt

1885
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: by that. Okay, down, Drod. Mayo to me is down

1886
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 2: mainly because I feel like it's a little Felger and Mazzie,

1887
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: But I kind of agree with them on this. I've

1888
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: like stopped deflecting blame to AVP. Like he gets up

1889
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: there and he and they ask him about the reps

1890
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 2: for the quarterbacks and he's like, well, that's like an

1891
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: AVP question.

1892
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: I think Alex van Pelt's the head coach of the offense.

1893
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I think it's that kind of setup.

1894
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 2: And he said that, but like, you guys still need

1895
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: to be on the same page. Well, like the communication

1896
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 2: still needs to be there of why this is happening.

1897
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Or what I would say is, at what point, if

1898
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: it's clearly not working, does Mayo go to Alex van

1899
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Pelt and say, I'm the head coach? Change it? Yeah?

1900
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Right?

1901
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: At what point? And in addition to the quarterback reps

1902
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: with the offensive line? I wonder if there's a point

1903
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: Mayo goes and says, I don't know what you're doing Like,

1904
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: I've given you a chance to try this. Put Mike

1905
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 1: back out at right tackle, get Lane Robinson in there,

1906
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: get the rookie in a left tackle, or get Calum

1907
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: Anderson and left tackle, Like you need to do something different.

1908
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: This group isn't the answer.

1909
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it whether he wants it's fair. And I actually

1910
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: I understand where he's coming from with the offense. He's

1911
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: not an offensive guy, right, He's a green head coach.

1912
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 2: He's first year head coach. And I actually kind of

1913
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: like that he knows his limitations, right, Like he knows

1914
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 2: that he's not trying to coach offense, Like he knows

1915
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 2: that that's not his side of the football. But to

1916
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 2: your point, like the buck stops with him at the

1917
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: end of the day, and when things aren't working, it

1918
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 2: is his job to supervise the people that he put

1919
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 2: in charge to run things. And right now I don't

1920
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 2: feel like he's being a very good supervisor, if that

1921
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 2: makes sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, And then AVP. I don't

1922
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: know what's going on with the quarterbacks. I don't know

1923
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 2: why Drake may is not playing in preseason games. I

1924
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 2: have no idea what's going on with the offensive line.

1925
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: That's a train wreck. All of it just seems like

1926
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: a mess right now. The procedural penalties that the nine

1927
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: penalties I said yesterday, the bots as this is not

1928
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: gonna cut it, this is this is not it. So

1929
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 2: he's on the down most.

1930
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of phrased this differently. I was

1931
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: just gonna say, like the plan, Yeah, the plan on offense,

1932
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: going back to march, going back to free agency and

1933
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, the things we spend hours about

1934
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,719
Speaker 1: on the show in terms of the tackles and things

1935
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: like that, like the personnel plan is coming up short

1936
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: right now.

1937
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 2: I have a very simple rule. Do you and I

1938
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on this kind of stuff.

1939
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: We're probably a little bit more educated on it than most,

1940
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 2: But we are not coaches and we are not general managers.

1941
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 2: If we can see the train and we're standing on

1942
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 2: the tracks and the train is coming and we can

1943
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 2: see it coming and they can't, that's a problem because

1944
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: you and I are not general managers. We're not Elliott Wolf.

1945
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 2: We weren't raised by our father, who was a Hall

1946
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 2: of Fame general manager and has been in the league

1947
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 2: for twenty years scouting, right, and we're not Drod Mayo,

1948
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: who is a pro bowler and then a head coach.

1949
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: And we're not at that level. We get that here.

1950
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Some people think we don't, but we get it. We're

1951
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 2: not on their level. But so have us.

1952
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Simpleton, you're telling me all those hours I've logged on

1953
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: mad and mean nothing. Yes, that's fair.

1954
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 2: If us simple folk down here can tell you that

1955
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: this tackle depth chart ain't gonna work in an NFL game,

1956
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 2: then you should know it's not going to work. And

1957
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 2: now if you're gonna sit here and tell me be patient,

1958
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: Calvin Banks Junior's coming, Will Campbell's coming, Like that's gonna

1959
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 2: be the plan. We're gonna worry about this next year.

1960
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: I hear you. But you still need to be at

1961
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: a point where you're functional enough at the rest of the.

1962
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Audiene stop gap. You know who they need. Ironically, and

1963
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: I kind of wrote this last night in my mail bag,

1964
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: and I'm actually curious what you think of this. Yeah,

1965
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 1: and I know we got a couple more calls to get,

1966
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 1: so I'll try to be quick with this. But somebody

1967
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: asked me, is it an organizational failure? The Patriots have

1968
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: need at least one starting tackle since twenty nineteen and

1969
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: refused to address it. And yes, yes, and no, I

1970
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: don't know that they refuse to address it. I think

1971
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 1: this all goes back to eighteen.

1972
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: In eighteen, so Nate Solder leaves after the twenty seventeen season,

1973
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 2: right yep. In eighteen, they draft Isaiah Win to be

1974
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 2: the left tackle, and they signed Trent Brown as or

1975
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 2: they trade for Trent Brown whatever it was, as an

1976
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: insurance plan, and Isaiah Win blows out his achilles in

1977
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 2: the preseason. Trent Brown gives them really good left tackle

1978
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 2: play in twenty eighteen.

1979
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: All right, they move on from Brown. We drafted Isaiah Win.

1980
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily blame them for not adding another tackle

1981
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: in that window because you used a first round pick

1982
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: on this guy, and the goal was for him to

1983
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: be the left tackle and they wanted to give him

1984
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: a chance. So that's nineteen. That's twenty. They bring Trent

1985
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Brown back, and this is where you maybe go to

1986
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: the organizational failure of it. Beyond the player development of

1987
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win. Trent Brown almost became a binkie. They couldn't

1988
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: quit Trent Brown. We have Trent Brown as an option

1989
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,560
Speaker 1: in our back pocket, and I kind of understand it,

1990
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and I get it, and well that's going. They didn't

1991
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: do that for nothing. They did it because they had

1992
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: They needed to address quarterback, they need to address receiver,

1993
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: they needed to address corner, and they basically were able

1994
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: to continuously say, we have Trent Brown for now, we

1995
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 1: have other significant needs. Let's address the other significant needs,

1996
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: and we have Trent Brown in our back pocket. And

1997
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 1: what you're seeing that they don't have a Trent Brown now.

1998
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: They continue to address other needs. Quarterback, receiver, were needs.

1999
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: They addressed those, they try to address them a receiver

2000
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 1: to a bigger extent. In terms of free agency, I

2001
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: think they went all in on Calvin Ridley and maybe

2002
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: let some other free agents go, but there is no

2003
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 1: Trent Brown to come save them. And I think that's

2004
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: why they're in this spot now because maybe it was

2005
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be Riley Reef, maybe it was supposed to

2006
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: be Calvin Anderson, the guys they signed last year. That

2007
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: that to me is how they ended up in this spot.

2008
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: They didn't have that veteran in their back pocket. Maybe

2009
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 1: the veterans they thought they were gonna have chookes of

2010
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: corps for were never realistically going to be on that level.

2011
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really a fair point with Trent Brown

2012
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 2: because I almost couldn't quit him either, because when he's on,

2013
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: he's When he's on, he's great. Yeah. His tape is

2014
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: like top twenty left tackle in the NFL.

2015
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 1: And I think it was always there was never a

2016
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: ton of competition because teams didn't want to deal with him. Yeah,

2017
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: and there was always a lot like they were just

2018
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 1: they were perfect for each other.

2019
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and he's not a bad player when when

2020
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 2: he's mentally locked in and he's focused. So it is

2021
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 2: you see it and you're like, okay, you know, I

2022
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 2: if we can keep him on the rails, like I

2023
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 2: get it the one and let me.

2024
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Just that's not necessarily me saying they should have resigned

2025
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: Trent Brown. Yeah, but it's how did we get to it?

2026
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: Because I think that that relationship was done both ways.

2027
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: It was done both sides.

2028
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,719
Speaker 2: When he went out and I think it was Dakota

2029
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Randall it when he was yetness and still like that.

2030
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 2: You can't give that interview and then come back.

2031
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Right, yeah that, but how did we get here?

2032
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2033
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is they Isaiahen didn't work.

2034
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: You can say they picked the wrong guy, they failed

2035
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 1: to develop him. Whatever you want to call that, Isaiwen

2036
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: didn't work. They were able to lean on Trent Brown

2037
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: where they fixed other whole on the roster, and then

2038
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: the clock ran out on Trent Brown before they were

2039
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: able to actually get that next tackle in place. So

2040
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 1: my one, if you want to call that mismanagement of

2041
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 1: assets or you know, a lack of addressing, that's semantics.

2042
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: At that point, I'd argue it's more of an asset

2043
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: of mismanagement of assets than a refusal to address.

2044
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 2: But sure, I guess it's not even a pushback on that.

2045
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: It's just more I agree with the philosophy or the

2046
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 2: point that you and I do. Drive have been doing

2047
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 2: the draft together for how long. Every single draft we've

2048
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: ever covered together, tackle has been in need, right, every

2049
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,639
Speaker 2: single one, Because I think nineteen was probably the first

2050
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 2: full draft we covered together. Yeah, and it was a need.

2051
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 2: Then they drafted Yadnika just in the third round of

2052
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 2: that draft. It's been a need for every single draft

2053
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 2: since twenty nineteen. I'm not necessarily asking them in that

2054
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 2: span to take a first round pick again after they

2055
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 2: took one with Isaiah Win And we're kind of giving

2056
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 2: that leash to Isaiah win but they they probably should

2057
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 2: have used another top one hundred on a tackle.

2058
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: Probably, well they try again, So they tried Yadney could

2059
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: just had injury issues, not top one hundred, but they

2060
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: took two and twenty twenty one was Michael in the

2061
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: sixth round. One was Mike and Winu who was never

2062
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 1: going to be a left tackle, but he was a

2063
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: guard in college, right, he's a guard? The other or

2064
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: when did they draft Justin Huran? That was yes, so

2065
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: because they also drafted didn't they draft William Sherman that

2066
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: year too? Was okay? So like Justin Ran, you could

2067
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: argue a guy maybe they gave up on too soon

2068
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: because he was serviceable. He was probably never long term,

2069
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: but they tried, they they and I that's that's why

2070
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: I go back to how much do you realistically try?

2071
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: What is the window where it's acceptable to use a

2072
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: premium ass set on a player after using a first

2073
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: round pick at that position? Like when does he to? Okay?

2074
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 2: So fair and so I but what did they what

2075
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 2: did they do in twenty two before the draft? But

2076
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: I look at twenty two, Yeah, and you know where

2077
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm going with this?

2078
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cole Strange.

2079
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: But but if they had drafted Tyler Smith instead of

2080
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 2: col Strane and we're not in this mess.

2081
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: What did they do in twenty two before the draft.

2082
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: But was their first personnel moved.

2083
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 2: That offseason trading Shack Mason. No, they traded for Trent Brown. Oh,

2084
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: I think that was twenty two, right, They.

2085
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Traded Patform back for him. Might have been, which is

2086
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: kind of my point. They they always they they wanted

2087
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: to address Oh was twenty one, but they had him.

2088
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 1: I think they Yeah, they maybe they resigned. Yeah, So

2089
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: March twenty first, they re signed Trent Brown to a

2090
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: two year, fourteen million dollar deal.

2091
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, And and we had talked a lot before

2092
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 2: they resigned him. We thought he was gone, yeah, because

2093
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:43,759
Speaker 2: it hadn't gone well the year before.

2094
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 1: We thought he was gone.

2095
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 2: He went to the Raiders and then the Raiders cut

2096
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 2: him and they brought him back.

2097
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: They they traded for him in twenty one.

2098
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Or they traded for him from the Raid, right, but

2099
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: he was in.

2100
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: It was in the last year of his deal. Yeah,

2101
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 1: and we thought he was gone. He was gone. He

2102
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: was gonna go chase big money again. They wanted to

2103
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: address guard. They wanted to address receiver Taekwon Thornton, right,

2104
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,560
Speaker 1: they wanted to address other things. So what did they do?

2105
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: They went back out and they re signed Trent Brown.

2106
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 2: The twenty two draft. That's really where it hit.

2107
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Twenty two would have been the time. You're right, twenty

2108
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: two would have been time to address it. But I'm

2109
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 1: telling you that's what I think addressing it was was

2110
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 1: trading for Trent Brown.

2111
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 2: Okay, So on the same note, I guess we can.

2112
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 2: I can just kind of talk about.

2113
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 1: This even Oh, that's right, we're doing ups and downs.

2114
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, second down here, just the entire offensive tackle depth chart,

2115
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 2: just from top to bottom. I think A quarters four

2116
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 2: has been the probably the best out of the group.

2117
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 2: And that's saying best very very lightly. But he's been okay.

2118
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 2: He's been fine at right tackle. A left tackle, whether

2119
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 2: it's Vaderian Low or Calvin Anderson who's been wrapping at

2120
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 2: left tackle for the most part. With this twos has

2121
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 2: been terrible. They had Caden Wallace. It seemed like Kayden

2122
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: Wallace was on a fast track and he was in

2123
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 2: a good spot early on in camp. That has completely

2124
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 2: that train has slowed completely down, And I don't know

2125
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: what's going on with that? So your top four tackles

2126
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: right now, of low a core four Anderson Wallace, I

2127
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 2: can confidently say that I maybe think they have one starter, yeah,

2128
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 2: in a core four, and then like one like Wallace

2129
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 2: is still kind of an unknown, so I'll give him that.

2130
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: That is, I think Walls could be a starting caliber

2131
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: level player, but only at the position that chooks a

2132
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: core for places right, So.

2133
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 2: They have no left tackle. They have no depth at

2134
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,799
Speaker 2: tackle because I don't think that Vederian lower Calvin Anderson's

2135
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 2: even capable depth at this point.

2136
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: I think Calvin Anderson's a decent swing.

2137
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to see him trying to

2138
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 2: block Nolan's That's fair. Uh So their tackle situation exactly,

2139
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 2: I'll I'll give you guys the credit because I wasn't

2140
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 2: able to on them on March exactly where all of

2141
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 2: you thought it would be. On August fourteenth, their tackle

2142
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 2: situation is where it is.

2143
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, I couch my takes more than anybody.

2144
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I put more qualified and my takes and anybody give

2145
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: myself away to weasel out of being wrong. I did

2146
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 1: not do that on that take. That take, I pounded

2147
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: the table.

2148
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: I gotta be protect myself a little bit.

2149
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 1: My second down U Chad Rown? Oh no, I just

2150
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: I think he let Joey Slide catch up Joey Slid.

2151
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 2: So Joey Sides jacked by the way Joey size Hugh

2152
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 2: So we talked to Joey sly the other day. Yeah,

2153
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 2: super nice guy. We spent a lot of time talking

2154
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 2: about golf. Some of it out relates to kicking, but

2155
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 2: just also kind of golf. Okay, don't too long on this.

2156
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 2: You talked them for fourteen minutes. It was absurd, It's great.

2157
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 2: We had great, We had a great.

2158
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 1: Cop looked over.

2159
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 2: Three times and Joey Slide was still talking.

2160
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was enjoying it.

2161
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 2: I think that was the longest non quarterback press conference

2162
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 2: of the summer.

2163
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 1: What is your problem with that? Me, Bob Socy, Brian Hines?

2164
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: Who else was there?

2165
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 4: For?

2166
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:49,439
Speaker 1: Good conversation with the guy?

2167
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 2: So Joey Slide.

2168
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: After thirteen minutes of talking golf, yeah, somebody asked him

2169
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: about the kickoff and he talked like, yeah, you know,

2170
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: he compared it to golf. He was like, I used

2171
01:41:58,200 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 1: to be the driver, the big leg kick it through

2172
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: the end. Now you getta get the wedge out and

2173
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: drop the ball in there, and it's more strategic, and

2174
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,599
Speaker 1: he kind of threw in at the end. And also,

2175
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: I know I might be in a position tackle more.

2176
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm excited for that and I'm ready for it. Didn't

2177
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: say he's okay with it, said he's excited for it.

2178
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: He gain big dude. I'm like, of course you're excited

2179
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: for You're gonna take somebody's head off. Anyway, he had.

2180
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 1: They did this drill. Was this on Sunday?

2181
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty more seconds.

2182
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 1: They did this drill on Sunday where it was the

2183
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: four live field goals reach kicker like they've done at

2184
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 1: the end of each practice, get off your phone, listen

2185
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 1: to me. Nope, but they had like the entire team

2186
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 1: in a semi circle around the kicker just yelling at

2187
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: him and like jumping up and down his face, waving

2188
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: his arms. De Marcus Covington was really into it. Tetrika

2189
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 1: was really into it, and Sly was the better kicker

2190
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 1: that he's still perfect from fifty plus. Ryland I think

2191
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: is one for three from fifty plus in this camp.

2192
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: Ryland also had his first miss from the forty yard range.

2193
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: He missed a forty eight yarder.

2194
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so just as some of miss up because I'm

2195
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 2: falling asleep, Joey Sly right now, if you had to

2196
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 2: call it right now, Joey SLID's your.

2197
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: Kicker, I'd still maybe go look elsewhere. But between the

2198
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: two of them, I'd go Joey Slide.

2199
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with rolling with the Sly guy. I'm

2200
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 2: alright with it. He's got a big leg, He's gonna

2201
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 2: give him some distance. Like their offense is not going

2202
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 2: to be able to drive the ball consistently.

2203
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:24,720
Speaker 1: So what it comes down to right now between the

2204
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 1: kickers to me, do you want the guy that's more

2205
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 1: reliable from thirty to forty nine but that's his range,

2206
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 1: or do you want the guy that can step out

2207
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 1: maybe give you a fifty plus?

2208
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 2: What I like about Joey Sli's got a bigger leg, yep,

2209
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 2: and he's got a little bit more moxie. Yeah, you know,

2210
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 2: last year Ryland turned into a puddle. I saw that.

2211
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't need that again. I'll take the guy that's

2212
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 2: got a little bit more moxie and has a little

2213
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,560
Speaker 2: bit more leg. All right, done, Joey Sly, I'm with

2214
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 2: you all right, last one here for me, I would

2215
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 2: just say that in general, the cornerback depth is something

2216
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 2: that's creeped up a little bit. You know, we we've

2217
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 2: had a lot of data now of no Jonathan Jones

2218
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 2: and no Marcus Jones because of the injuries, and I

2219
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: think Jonathan Jones is mostly just veteran management. But regardless,

2220
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of Marco Wilson, Alex Austin, Isaiah

2221
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 2: Bolden that next group. I was hoping that group would

2222
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 2: be a little bit better. And then obviously when you

2223
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 2: supplement that with Gonzo being just okay in camp and

2224
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 2: not like dominant in camp, that probably doesn't help things either.

2225
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 2: Marco Wilson, I'm with you. I think you mentioned this

2226
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 2: earlier has probably been the best. Yeah, and I would

2227
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 2: now probably have him on my roster projection, which I

2228
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 2: haven't had him on yet. I think he's on for

2229
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 2: me now, but I'll throw Sean Wade into that too.

2230
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 2: I didn't mention him dial. You know, those guys, it

2231
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 2: just feels to me like there's still a little bit

2232
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure how deep they are anymore.

2233
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 1: So I always hate doing this, but it's more of

2234
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: a can't make the club from the top down. Yeah,

2235
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: Sean Wade missing these last few practices sucks because it

2236
01:44:56,439 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: felt like he was making real momentum, making a towards

2237
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: a roster spot. Now he's not out there the repping

2238
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden in the slot, which Wade's natural slot ability

2239
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 1: was the best, like the biggest thing he had going

2240
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: for him towards making the roster. This is just this

2241
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 1: is valuable time he's missing right here, and I think

2242
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: it's really gonna hurt his chances to make the team. Yeah,

2243
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything wrong, Like guys get hurt, it happens,

2244
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: but that's the reality of it. If you get hurt

2245
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: and somebody else steps up, that job might not be

2246
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: there when he come back.

2247
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would. Now if I had to

2248
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 2: redo my roster projection, I probably have Marco Wilson on

2249
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 2: and set Wade.

2250
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:30,280
Speaker 1: So I had I had Isaiah Bolden as the odd

2251
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: man out of my last one, I'm gonna switch those

2252
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: on my next one.

2253
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, really quickly before I take these calls

2254
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 2: and wrap a little bit of NFL news, JJ McCarthy

2255
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 2: out for the year. Torn meniscus, all right, so that's

2256
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 2: all right, full of meniscus repair, which means that he

2257
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 2: is now out for the year.

2258
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 1: So to relate it back to the pay and obviously,

2259
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, hoping the best for the hint for him

2260
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 1: and the Viking and all that whatever. To relate it

2261
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: back to the Patriots, because it is a Patriots show.

2262
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: This is it is gonna be interesting to see what

2263
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 1: happen with him in terms of his development. This is

2264
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 1: a valuable, valuable year. He is losing. Forget not playing

2265
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: in games, not being at practice. I'm sure he'll still

2266
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: be around and being the meeting rooms, but it's tougher

2267
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 1: to be engaged in that way. This is why you

2268
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 1: have to be so careful with Drake May when it

2269
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: comes to the offensive line.

2270
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 2: I didn't see the play exactly that he got hurt on.

2271
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 2: Did he get hurt on a contact injury or.

2272
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 1: It was I don't think anybody knows it was a

2273
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: practice thing, because coming out of the game, nobody was

2274
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: saying anything.

2275
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:25,600
Speaker 2: No.

2276
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I think it was in the game. I saw a

2277
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: report yesterday that at some point in the game he

2278
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 1: went to the sideline and said his knee felt weird. Yeah,

2279
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 1: and they're like all right, we'll run test. But he

2280
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: didn't take a big hit, he didn't get rolled up on.

2281
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: It was a very much it's football, and that's you know,

2282
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: you risk that with Drake May every time you put

2283
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: him out there, and you have to take that risk

2284
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: to when it's a cautionary tale. But I wouldn't even

2285
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: say caution Well, I guess it is the people. There

2286
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: are gonna be people who look at Drake May seven

2287
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 1: snaps and say, we'll say this is why you don't

2288
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: risk him. But I think it also shows you like

2289
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: this is this has the potential to massively alter his career.

2290
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: And people point to Joe Burrow. Burrow plaid three months

2291
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 1: before he tours ACL or before got hurt as a

2292
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: rookie towards ACL. That was his rookie, right, he played

2293
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: three months. He got enough data that you know, missing

2294
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: as much time as JJ McCarthy's gonna miss like he's

2295
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: behind now he's behind his development. This is another guy

2296
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:19,560
Speaker 1: like Drake May that is a project and it it

2297
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how this impacts and moving forward.

2298
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 1: Also good chance for Sam Darnold, who Minnesota's had a

2299
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: decent summer.

2300
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:31,560
Speaker 2: Okay, just my quick thing on JJ McCarthy. And this

2301
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 2: is not an Andrew Luck moment. Okay, I'm not rooting

2302
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 2: for injuries. I'm not happy that he's hurt.

2303
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: Well, according to you, Andrew Luck didn't retire because of jury.

2304
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:39,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying

2305
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 2: to like be an a hole about this, right, I'm

2306
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 2: not rooting for injuries. I'm not happy he's hurt, none

2307
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 2: of those types of things. But a part of me

2308
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 2: is a little bit okay with the fact that he's

2309
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 2: not gonna play this year. Because we said it on

2310
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 2: during the draft, I can pull the receipts. I remember

2311
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 2: saying this during right after the draft that because he's

2312
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 2: playing in Kevin o'c donald's offense with Justin Jefferson and

2313
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison, if JJ McCarthy got on the field early on,

2314
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 2: he was going to look better than Drake Man. Oh yeah,

2315
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 2: it was gonna be kind of like a Mac Jones situation,

2316
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 2: right and uh, and now, just if JJ, if Drake

2317
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 2: May was sitting and holding the clipboard for the entire year,

2318
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,759
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is having a good rookie season in Minnesota.

2319
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 2: As you like to say sometimes Alex, that would not

2320
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 2: have been good for the brand, all right, that would

2321
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 2: not have been ever said, yes, yeah, that would not

2322
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 2: have been good for the brand. That that would have

2323
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 2: been tough deal well, and so selfishly.

2324
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: I guess I we would have just had a deal

2325
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: with people that don't understand how Oh yeah, you throw

2326
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 1: at Justin Jefferson, you're gonna look pretty good. The Patriots

2327
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 1: don't have Justin Jefferson.

2328
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's take these calls. Jake is in Lemonster.

2329
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 2: What's up, Jake? Jake? You're there going once? All right?

2330
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 2: Call us back, Jake and we'll get you on the air.

2331
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 2: Sean is in Vancouver, what's up? Sean?

2332
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 7: Hey, Alex thought I was with you from the beginning

2333
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 7: about with the offensive line being a disaster preventing trick

2334
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 7: me from playing right away. And you know, but I

2335
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 7: don't see this as a team that's going to make

2336
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 7: the playoffs. So I don't think you have to wait

2337
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 7: till the last week of the season. If they could

2338
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 7: just get this offensive line sorted out, you know, be

2339
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 7: a week five, week six, whatever they do, that's when

2340
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:24,400
Speaker 7: they should play May because that's that's really the priority.

2341
01:49:24,439 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 7: We want to see. If May is the future, because

2342
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 7: this team isn't about now, it's about the future, and

2343
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 7: we need we need to find that out. So we

2344
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,640
Speaker 7: need to find out if this guy is real. I

2345
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 7: do have a question for you the guys though, how

2346
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 7: is Antonio Gibson looked in pass blocking because he's going

2347
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,680
Speaker 7: to be needed as a passing down back. I'll take

2348
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 7: it off the air, I think, good question.

2349
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Good questions on the first point, just real quick. Yeah,

2350
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 1: that's where I've been right. Once the offensive line set,

2351
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: that's what trick may and the problem is might take

2352
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 1: more than five or six weeks to figure this thing

2353
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 1: out at.

2354
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 2: This point, right I think that's where we're at.

2355
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: It might take you three months.

2356
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I like to do with you know, the

2357
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 2: first point that he made about kind of they're not

2358
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 2: gonna be playing We know they're not probably not gonna

2359
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 2: be a playoff team. Like it's not gonna do with wins, right,

2360
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 2: it was. It was more about protecting him and keeping

2361
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 2: him healthy and giving him a chance back there to

2362
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 2: succeed and all that kind of stuff. And right now,

2363
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:16,760
Speaker 2: it's hard to envision the offensive line coming together in

2364
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 2: the short term to make that happen. By week five

2365
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,920
Speaker 2: or week six, like he was saying in terms of

2366
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:26,120
Speaker 2: bit blitz pick up. For Antonio Gibson, I do feel

2367
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 2: like he's been used the route a lot more than

2368
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 2: blitz pick up. Yeah, And I wonder if that's something

2369
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 2: that a VP in this offense is gonna be a

2370
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 2: little bit different than they're The old guard was one.

2371
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna be. Bax didn't play

2372
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 2: under Belichick until they understood pass protection, right, they were

2373
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:51,599
Speaker 2: not allowed on the field, especially in passing situations. Uh

2374
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: number two. The Patriots would use the back a lot

2375
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:57,599
Speaker 2: more than some other teams and blitz pick up, especially

2376
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 2: recently once like James White retired and stuff. So a

2377
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 2: lot of teams, you know, especially in this West Coach tree,

2378
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,680
Speaker 2: they want to reset things so that the back can

2379
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 2: get into the pattern. Like whatever you have to do

2380
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,800
Speaker 2: to release the back and not force the back to

2381
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: stay in and blitz pick up, whether it's remiking, you know,

2382
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 2: whatever like to do that. We don't want the back

2383
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 2: to be in the backfield and blitz pick up as

2384
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 2: much as we can prevent that. Reid is huge and

2385
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 2: he reads huge on that is the running backs in

2386
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 2: Kansas City hardly ever pass block. They're always in the pattern,

2387
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much they're gonna use him

2388
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,680
Speaker 2: in that, But I haven't necessarily watched specifically how he's

2389
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 2: picked up blitzes and how he's looked in that regard,

2390
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: but it hasn't been noticeably a problem either. I guess

2391
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 2: this is the other way to put it.

2392
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I don't know that

2393
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 1: he's had any like wow moments in pass pro, but

2394
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 1: there haven't been many times I've seen him totally blown

2395
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,679
Speaker 1: aside me either, Like he's been serviceable, but he hasn't

2396
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 1: done in the ton Like you said, it feels like

2397
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 1: he's mostly been out in the pattern, and I think

2398
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna use him. And realistically, if they

2399
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 1: reach a point where they're like, all right, we need

2400
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: the running back to be a part of pass pro.

2401
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: Ramondra Stevens is one of the better pass blocking running

2402
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: backs in the league, they'll probably just put him on

2403
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 1: the field more at that point.

2404
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gibson and I actually really like that. So just

2405
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 2: we only have a couple more minutes. I don't want

2406
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 2: to get two bogged down in the next as the nose,

2407
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 2: but when you think about it's a numbers game, right,

2408
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 2: It's always a numbers game. And if the back is

2409
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 2: releasing in the pattern, then somebody has to account for

2410
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 2: him in coverage, like there's a there has to be

2411
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 2: a player for player in coverage. So in theory, if

2412
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 2: you always were releasing the back out of the backfield,

2413
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 2: then the backs guy cannot blitz all the time. Otherwise

2414
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 2: that's where you're just gonna go with the ball. It's

2415
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 2: gonna be easy to right. So that's how these other

2416
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 2: teams operate, is that if you're gonna blitz and we're

2417
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,160
Speaker 2: gonna release the back, well, then we're gonna have five

2418
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 2: in the in the pattern, and you're only gonna have

2419
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 2: six guys in coverage, and there's gonna be somebody open, right,

2420
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 2: And so we'll devise away that with hot routes and

2421
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 2: things like that that somebody's got to be open at

2422
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 2: that point. So in theory, you shouldn't have to have

2423
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 2: the back pass protect all the time. Now, there's going

2424
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,200
Speaker 2: to be certain protections that they will, and you know

2425
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 2: there's certain instances where they will, but in general, a

2426
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 2: lot of these teams, you know, like the Floor I know,

2427
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 2: for a Fact and Shanahan are two guys that they

2428
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 2: want the quarterback in the center to figure out a

2429
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 2: way to get the back into the pattern at all times,

2430
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 2: Like just remight get it, Atlanta, Slide the protection this way,

2431
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 2: slide it that way, whatever you gotta do. We don't

2432
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 2: want the back just sitting back there and picking up

2433
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 2: linebackers like it just doesn't help us as an offense.

2434
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 2: So I feel like AVP is going to be in

2435
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 2: more of that school. But we'll see. It's a good

2436
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 2: question and we'll see. But I hope to an extent

2437
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 2: that the days of Pierre Strong is just never going

2438
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 2: to get on the field because they can't pick up

2439
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 2: a freaking linebacker and blitz pick up or Kevin Harris,

2440
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 2: like you're mentioning the Lions game a couple of years ago,

2441
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:58,640
Speaker 2: Ormandre is still in the game when they're up thirty points, Like,

2442
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 2: I hope those days are gone because I think that

2443
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 2: was a little an instinct, you know, archaic way of

2444
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 2: looking at it. I want to talk just to wrap

2445
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 2: up the show. I know you have one more call

2446
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 2: and we'll get to it, but I do want to

2447
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 2: give our takes on Tomorrow night really quickly. So what

2448
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 2: are you looking forward to tomorrow night? What are you

2449
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 2: expecting to see in terms of Drake May's participation.

2450
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:20,599
Speaker 1: So this is the big question because Garrod Mayo at

2451
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of the week said he's gonna play more,

2452
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna play more, He's gonna play more, and then

2453
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line happened, and I wonder if that's a recalculation.

2454
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that anything would surprise me at this

2455
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 1: point in terms of valid him not playing, I guess

2456
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: would surprise me him not playing at all, not playing

2457
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,440
Speaker 1: a single snap. Beyond that, I'm kind of ready for anything.

2458
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 2: I like that you're kind of ready for anything.

2459
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could play five snaps, he could play forty.

2460
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 1: Both would make sense to me at this point.

2461
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he's gonna play a high volume

2462
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 2: like forty, you know, JJ McCarthy. I know it's a

2463
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 2: bad example now that with the injury, but I think

2464
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 2: he played like thirty thirty three. Yeah, I think he

2465
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,879
Speaker 2: was the most with thirty three out of the rookie quarterbacks.

2466
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 2: I don't expect him to play that much, but I

2467
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 2: do expect him to play enough that we have some

2468
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 2: tape to like dig into and I say we, I

2469
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 2: really mean them, yeah and you yeah, obviously me too,

2470
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I expect to have come away from this

2471
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 2: where we have like, okay, we have ten to twelve

2472
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 2: dropbacks of real dropbacks, not screens you know, or like

2473
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 2: third and ten dump offs into the flat, like actual

2474
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 2: quarterback plays. Last week we got one. We got one

2475
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 2: play action drop that went through Jalen Riger's hands. I

2476
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 2: think that they will try to get to about ten, twelve,

2477
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 2: fifteen of those this week. But I was dead wrong

2478
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: about how they were going to use the quarterbacks last week,

2479
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 2: so I couldn't. I don't. Maybe don't take my word

2480
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 2: for it, but that's what my gut tells me. The

2481
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,800
Speaker 2: other thing, I just really quickly, I want to mention

2482
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 2: I didn't think that the rookie receivers look great on

2483
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 2: film with their route running last week. It's just something

2484
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 2: that I texted you about it. I'm not like, well,

2485
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 2: I said def Con five earlier, red alert by the

2486
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 2: offensive line. This is like one or two, like def

2487
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 2: Con one or two. It's not something I'm like crazy

2488
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 2: worried about, right, But I just feel like Jalen Polk

2489
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 2: in particular, Jalen Polk's gonna have to have a PhD

2490
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 2: in route running right, Like he's gonna have to be

2491
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 2: an expert technician in order to uh to thrive in

2492
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 2: the league. Things like getting defenders off their leverage, eating

2493
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 2: up cushion against off coverage efficientcyy efficiency through the top

2494
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 2: of the route. Like I didn't love those elements of

2495
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 2: his game last week. It looked like it was moving

2496
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 2: a little fast for him the first time out, So

2497
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 2: maybe that slows down for him eventually. But he's got

2498
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 2: to think the game, like if he's got a corner

2499
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 2: that's eight yards off, he's got to eat up the space.

2500
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 2: Like you gotta come out of the blocks, man, Like

2501
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 2: you gotta come out of the blocks like Noah Lyles, right,

2502
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 2: you gotta get up on him. And then you got

2503
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 2: a maybe bad example because he did. He had to.

2504
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 2: He had to flying twenty in that one hundred meter,

2505
01:56:55,120 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 2: not the not the first, not the ten yard split.

2506
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 2: But you gotta come out of the blocks, and uh,

2507
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 2: you got to eat up the cushion, and then you

2508
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 2: want to get up on the toes right, and then

2509
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 2: you you make the brake happen at the top of

2510
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 2: the route. But if you don't get the defender to

2511
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 2: even think for a second that you might run by him.

2512
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 2: Then your toast like you gotta make the defender think like, Okay,

2513
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 2: this guy's got you gotta get him back on his heels.

2514
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah's and I'm either in my pedal or on back

2515
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 2: of my heels or my hips are opening up to

2516
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 2: the field like something has to happen there from the defender. Similarly,

2517
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 2: he ran a route a little quick out that the

2518
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 2: defender had outside leverage on him. He's like, you know,

2519
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 2: right shaded outside leverage, and he just ran right into

2520
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 2: the leverage. And I'm not saying that he should have

2521
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 2: optioned routed it or anything, but if you know that

2522
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna run it out and you're locked into a

2523
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:41,880
Speaker 2: route and you have outside leverage corner, you have to

2524
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 2: make a move at the line of scrimmage in your

2525
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 2: release to get him off the leverage right, like give

2526
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 2: a little fake to the inside or stem it up

2527
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 2: to the inside quickly and then come back to the outside.

2528
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 2: You gotta think the game. And I didn't really see

2529
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 2: that from him in that game in that film, and

2530
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 2: Javon Baker a little bit to that extent too, But

2531
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,880
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily expect Javon Baker to be at that level.

2532
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk's gonna have to be at that level. You know,

2533
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 2: Jacobe Myers was at that level, is at that level.

2534
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 1: You know.

2535
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:10,480
Speaker 2: The other comparison, Tyler Boyd, like Keenan Allen, like some

2536
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,640
Speaker 2: of the other names people throw out, Like, those guys

2537
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 2: are at that level, So I gotta see a little

2538
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 2: bit more they're out of Jalen Polk. I'm so torn

2539
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 2: on Jalen Polk. Like all the things that we talk

2540
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 2: about during draft season when it comes to receivers, this

2541
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,560
Speaker 2: one's like really giving me up at night. I'm so

2542
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 2: torn about what to think about him because you know,

2543
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 2: my typical preferences are separation, ability, speed, like all the

2544
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 2: Like Zay Flowers is like my guy, right, Like that's

2545
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 2: the type of receiver I look at and say, that

2546
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 2: guy's gonna translate, that guy's gonna be good in the league.

2547
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk does all the other things well, he catches

2548
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 2: the ball, well, he's physical, he's got some Alpha in him,

2549
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 2: and he's got kind of that a little bit of

2550
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 2: attitude to him. But he doesn't separate and normally I'm

2551
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 2: out on those types of guys, but I do see

2552
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 2: it with Jalen Polk, like how he could build himself

2553
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 2: into a good NFL receiver, but he's gonna have to

2554
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 2: refine his route running and be like an expert expert

2555
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 2: route runner in or to make that happen. So those

2556
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,600
Speaker 2: are a couple of things. Is there anybody else other

2557
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 2: than the quarterbacks that you're looking out for.

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01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:15,520
Speaker 1: That third string tight end battle? But we can take

2559
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 1: this call. I won't run it down third thing.

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01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 2: Third string tight end is more important than the caller.

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:24,120
Speaker 2: Nowchic tachical? All right, all right, John, You're more important

2562
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 2: than the third string tight end? What do you got?

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01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 8: I was actually kind of digging in here waiting to

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01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 8: see what parts was gonna say. Huge fan of both

2565
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 8: of you guys. I think my wife's sick of hearing

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01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 8: both your voices at this point. But I think kind

2567
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 8: of like my biggest takeaway from listening to your guys

2568
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 8: a show and the coverage and like the whole Drake

2569
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:46,080
Speaker 8: may experience and not to beat like Bill Belichick again

2570
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 8: because we've done that, but I just think it shows you,

2571
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 8: like how many years and how many years I've listened

2572
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,839
Speaker 8: to you guys talk about where they just never addressed,

2573
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:58,959
Speaker 8: like like glaring holes on offense, whether it's tackle, offensive

2574
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 8: line depth, receiver deaf like topping receiver talent. And I

2575
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 8: think it's like years and years and years of this

2576
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 8: like accruing and to the point where now you can't

2577
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 8: even get Drake May out in a preseason game because

2578
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 8: he's going to get his head ripped off. And like

2579
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 8: we saw in the joint practice yesterday, like you put

2580
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 8: him out there with twos, even against another team's number twos,

2581
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 8: Like it's not competitive. So I think people need to

2582
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 8: like I think you guys have done a good job

2583
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 8: of this. I can't listen to ninety five anymore, but

2584
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 8: like you need to pump the brakes and like, let

2585
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 8: Drake May develop so that way in two years we're

2586
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 8: not sitting around being like what happened to Drake May?

2587
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:33,520
Speaker 4: You sees ghosts?

2588
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:35,960
Speaker 8: He's leaning off his back foot, Like we just need

2589
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:37,879
Speaker 8: to calm down. But thank you guys, love listen.

2590
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:38,120
Speaker 4: To your show.

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02:00:38,240 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 2: Thanks John, thanks for the call. Well said, that's exactly.

2592
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:43,320
Speaker 2: That's a great way to end my first thirty five

2593
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 2: minutes of standing on the ledge at the Tobin Bridge

2594
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 2: that that's exactly where it's at right now, is patients

2595
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 2: like we are now yesterday. To me, first of all,

2596
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 2: just really quickly, I know we have to end. Yeah,

2597
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 2: but I listened to Badard on the way home last night.

2598
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 2: He like saw ghosts, like looks. It was like he

2599
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,520
Speaker 2: saw a dead person the way he was talking about

2600
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 2: practice yesterday. And I think it was genuine like he

2601
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 2: was Jenny.

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02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:08,720
Speaker 1: Was rattled by the ducks and horses question, but okay.

2603
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was genuinely rattled, and I was not quite

2604
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 2: that far, but I was in this. I think we're

2605
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:19,680
Speaker 2: all in a similar place where yesterday was a real

2606
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 2: wake up call to the fact that this team's got

2607
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:25,680
Speaker 2: a ways to go. And we watched a team in

2608
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 2: the Eagles, who I mentioned at the top of the show,

2609
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 2: have the third best odds in some places to win

2610
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty nine. Are one of those teams eight

2611
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 2: to ten teams, let's call it that that has a

2612
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 2: legitimate chance to win the Super Bowl. And you saw

2613
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 2: what that looked like, and then you saw what the

2614
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:43,480
Speaker 2: Patriots offense looked like, and all of a sudden, it's like,

2615
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 2: we need to take a big step back, right we've

2616
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:49,840
Speaker 2: been in the campgrind. We've been at every practice. It's

2617
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:52,360
Speaker 2: been a couple of weeks of this every single day,

2618
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,280
Speaker 2: almost being out there watching for two hours. I think

2619
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:57,400
Speaker 2: we all need to take a deep breath. We need

2620
02:01:57,480 --> 02:01:59,240
Speaker 2: to take a big step back, and we need to

2621
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:02,560
Speaker 2: realize that this is gonna this is gonna be a while.

2622
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 1: Are we going to, uh do Will Campbell check ins

2623
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 1: on the show this year?

2624
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 2: We might have to, and Luther Burden and we'll Travis Hunter,

2625
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:14,880
Speaker 2: Will Campbell cal we all need to. This was a

2626
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 2: wake up call yesterday and that and that's the great

2627
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,840
Speaker 2: way at the end of the show. So, uh, we'll

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02:02:19,880 --> 02:02:23,800
Speaker 2: be back next week, probably the same day, same time, roughly.

2629
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,280
Speaker 2: I would say this is kind of we're not sure

2630
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:29,840
Speaker 2: exactly when we'll be on during the regular season. We

2631
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 2: still got to work out what their the football schedule

2632
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,160
Speaker 2: is and all that kind of stuff. But for now,

2633
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 2: this is uh, this has been good. Uh, So we'll

2634
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:39,600
Speaker 2: probably be back next week around the same time, really quickly.

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Speaker 2: New England. Patriots. Enjoy the game tomorrow night. Hopefully we

2641
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Speaker 2: see more of Drake May and we'll see you guys

2642
02:02:59,360 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 2: next week.

2643
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:04,480
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