Speaker 1: Yet we're rolling live from the Farmland Fresh Dairy studios.
Speaker 1: This is serial Killers.
Speaker 2: This is Serial Killers. I'm Scotty b oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: our friend Ben Mendelkerr is here.
Speaker 1: Hi. How's it going.
Speaker 2: We met Ben in Austin last month during the iHeartRadio
Speaker 2: Podcast Awards and his podcast Watch. What Crappens was up
Speaker 2: for was a pop Culture Best pop Culture.
Speaker 1: Best pop Culture Podcast, and they won.
Speaker 2: We did not, So we've invited a winner on the
Speaker 2: show today because we're just a bunch of giant losers.
Speaker 2: And this is going to be an interesting hybrid type
Speaker 2: of podcast because we're going to start it off as
Speaker 2: a Serial Killers and then I have to get the
Speaker 2: hell out here because I have an appointment. So we're
Speaker 2: going to turn it into a bowl chat where you
Speaker 2: guys will just chat and chat and chat about all
Speaker 2: things Bravo that I know nothing about and board games.
Speaker 3: He also likes board games, So down to talk board games.
Speaker 2: Oh I wish I didn't take that limited edition board
Speaker 2: game home that General Mills sent us. You know General
Speaker 2: Mills made uh yeah, the Lucky Charms mouse Trap game.
Speaker 2: But what Yes, it's Lucky Charms Mousetrap and it's with
Speaker 2: Lucky the Leprechaun instead of the Yeah, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: stole it from my daughter Cooper.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you guys could have played it.
Speaker 1: It's probably it's probably better to be with Cooper.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, so let's get rolling because, uh this
Speaker 2: cereal is well. First of all, what cereals do you like?
Speaker 2: You a sugar guy or you were like, what do
Speaker 2: you like?
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, I'm at a place in my life where
Speaker 1: I have to eat healthy cereal like Cashee, the Cashee
Speaker 1: herty O's or whatever it's called, like the hearts. It's
Speaker 1: like barely has any flavor and it purports to be
Speaker 1: good for my heart. But I grew up eating honey
Speaker 1: nut cheerios. That was like my go to. Then I
Speaker 1: had a period of time where I ate life and
Speaker 1: I've always loved Special Ki plainly. Last week, I have
Speaker 1: to say this may be TMI, but I feel like
Speaker 1: this is a place for sharing.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: Last week I had my first baby's first colonoscopy. I
Speaker 1: I had to have a low fiber diet and they
Speaker 1: said popped ry cereal and I said, I am eating
Speaker 1: Special K this week. Congratulat I so much Special K.
Speaker 1: I had it for like breakfast, I had it for
Speaker 1: lunch because I love Special K.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and me being the big boy that I am,
Speaker 2: refused to callon oscy and I just pooped in the
Speaker 2: box the call of guard. You know that thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two different. I think it's I feel like
Speaker 1: it's two different. Yeah, I guess kind of is.
Speaker 2: When my doctor said it was fine, and I'm all good,
Speaker 2: So let's move on and need some healthy, crappy cereals.
Speaker 2: So the one that I werelling to do one today
Speaker 2: because this is abridged, the one that I chose for
Speaker 2: us because you like healthy, is going to be a
Speaker 2: disgusting cereal good this is This is one of the
Speaker 2: Magic Spoon serials. Have you heard of them?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I haven't, But I like this hot daddy
Speaker 1: on the on the front.
Speaker 2: What is that clip art you caught?
Speaker 3: Where's that cana cana?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a muscle daddy on the front.
Speaker 2: So okay, So Magic Spoon is a line of cereals.
Speaker 2: It started off just being sold on the internet. You
Speaker 2: saw ads on Facebook all the time.
Speaker 3: Like your podcast never was. So we're sponsored by farm
Speaker 3: Lane for Daies think you so much Harmly Fresh dairies.
Speaker 2: Oh can you eat cow's milk? Drink cows milk?
Speaker 3: Perfect amazing, But like they sponsored a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: stuff because they're like they're really leaning into like millennial
Speaker 3: focused advertising. So they were on a ton of podcasts
Speaker 3: like you want a Healthy Cereal Magic Spoon, but not
Speaker 3: Cereal podcasts now. I think it's because we've trashed I
Speaker 3: think four out of five of them.
Speaker 2: See, that's the one thing. I don't really think that
Speaker 2: a cereal company could sponsor us because we would just
Speaker 2: crap on them if we didn't like it, you know,
Speaker 2: you know we we like to tell the truth and
Speaker 2: tell things how it is, and if it's not good,
Speaker 2: we're gonna say it's not good. So anyway, Magic Spoon
Speaker 2: started as just internet only. Now you can get them
Speaker 2: at Target, Walmart, big supermarkets and everything. And these are
Speaker 2: like ten dollars a box.
Speaker 1: Ten Well, Cereal has gone up in general, Mike, cos
Speaker 1: it has, it has, so you have to that's a
Speaker 1: lot of money to spend for not a lot of flavor.
Speaker 2: Right, so this this is cinnamon roll flavor. We have
Speaker 2: not had very good experience with Magic Spoon. Cereals. This
Speaker 2: is probably like the six or seventh one, and I
Speaker 2: think only one of them we did not spit out.
Speaker 1: Okay, do they all have like some sort of muscled
Speaker 1: ad on the front they all things?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all have the strange box, aren't like that?
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have any.
Speaker 3: I know, I think one of them has like Ursula,
Speaker 3: but like their version of ursula, like a weird.
Speaker 1: It's ever like a gay that's working on the graphic Yeah, yes, right, yes,
Speaker 1: and then it is canvying.
Speaker 2: And the bag is like only three quarters full. So
Speaker 2: after all that, it's ten bucks for seven ounces of nothing.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it.
Speaker 1: Looks nice, yes, yeah, like the meaning like the it
Speaker 1: looks like the graphic design person definitely was like they
Speaker 1: just got out of college.
Speaker 3: They've got their first job. They're working at Magic Spoon.
Speaker 3: They're doing the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying.
Speaker 2: And I could tell you. The problem that we always
Speaker 2: have with Magic Spoon is it it goes. It starts
Speaker 2: off okay, and then once you have it in your
Speaker 2: mouth for more than about five seconds, it turns to
Speaker 2: complete horse craft.
Speaker 1: I've had Zeal do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has that weird taste.
Speaker 1: Because it's grain free. Why are they proud that it's
Speaker 1: grain free.
Speaker 2: I guess gluten free people like them or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go back to the formula of Fresh
Speaker 2: Dairy's fridge.
Speaker 1: I'm going to inspect their their word, their word jumble
Speaker 1: in the back.
Speaker 3: It's also too much like I mean, this is unappealing
Speaker 3: to me, Like, give me three words, not twenty seven.
Speaker 1: It's very moonshine. They have moonshine. This is a word here.
Speaker 4: It's a young hip cereal.
Speaker 1: Oh pardner, that's spelled in the dialect version partner not partner.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to see if we have any Andrew.
Speaker 2: He won't let me.
Speaker 1: I found moonshine, young moonshine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect, there's probably a better off with moonshine. But
Speaker 2: we're using Farmland, Fresh Areas organic whole milk today.
Speaker 1: Oh so, Ben, I'm excited, don't be Oh you already
Speaker 1: milks mine? I milk.
Speaker 2: It's it smells. It smells a little bit like a
Speaker 2: cinnamon roll.
Speaker 1: It's giving cinnamon right. It's looking yeah, it's looking vaguely
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to mat they.
Speaker 2: Look like fruit loops, but not fruity colored.
Speaker 1: It looks a little bit like you've got honey smacks
Speaker 1: in there. Almost.
Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, okay, not bad, right, Yeah, keep chowing.
Speaker 2: This one might not turn.
Speaker 1: I don't right right, my first bite is probably fine.
Speaker 1: It's nice. It has more flavor than my cashi. I
Speaker 1: feel like you.
Speaker 3: Failed us on this one, Scott. I was expecting bad.
Speaker 3: I got somewhat decent.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's not bad.
Speaker 1: In fact, I like the airy texture.
Speaker 2: It is an interesting texture.
Speaker 3: I kind of like your podcast gets sponsored by Magic
Speaker 3: Spoon after.
Speaker 1: We invite Magic Spoon to be a sponsor of Watcher Craps.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's not spectacular, it's not incredibly sweet.
Speaker 2: It tastes healthy, and it doesn't have that that after
Speaker 2: Stevia slash bean crap taste that we get usually from
Speaker 2: these type of cereals. So it's not horrific.
Speaker 1: I would dare to say, I actually like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, I like.
Speaker 3: It shockingly decent. I do you know a rating skill? No, okay,
Speaker 3: so what we do is a bowl is like a
Speaker 3: full star. A spoon is like a half a star.
Speaker 2: Up to five balls. Yeah, so I'm simply going to
Speaker 2: give it two balls because it's not as bad as
Speaker 2: I thought, but I don't love these type of cereals.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it three bowls in a spoon,
Speaker 3: Like it's really not bad for a cinnamon cereal. She's
Speaker 3: it's a nice alternative. Yeah, I think I like three
Speaker 3: bowls in a spoon. Yeah, I think that's I think
Speaker 3: that's just right. It's like, it's not a top tier.
Speaker 3: It's definitely no special k No, it's not a honey
Speaker 3: nut cheurio.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have like the indulgent fun of a
Speaker 1: frosted flake or like a cover above. I feel you
Speaker 1: on that, but it's actually like quite tasty, and I
Speaker 1: really do enjoy this airy texture. But would you go.
Speaker 2: Pay ten bucks a bocks for this? Or are you
Speaker 2: just gonna buy honey nut curios for a dollar ninety
Speaker 2: nine when it's on sale you ten dollars?
Speaker 1: Ten dollars may actually knock it down, spoon.
Speaker 2: Oh, look at that. I don't do it by pricing.
Speaker 2: But you know the.
Speaker 1: Value is not great. But if we weren't considering value.
Speaker 4: I mean you can it's your rating.
Speaker 1: I guess you know. I know I'm still gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna rate it based on you know, because sometimes if
Speaker 1: someone were to serve it to you, if you're at
Speaker 1: someone's house and they're like, here's some cereal, you're not
Speaker 1: considering values. I'm gonna Keep'm gonna keep it out of
Speaker 1: three bowls on this moon.
Speaker 2: And this actually was served to us by one of
Speaker 2: our listeners, Matt sent this to us, so we didn't
Speaker 2: pay for it. So what the hell.
Speaker 1: I'm finishing my entire my entire cup of cereal.
Speaker 2: That's I'm very impressed.
Speaker 4: For a party. Get you actually can take the match, Yes.
Speaker 2: Please do, but make sure you guys take a picture first,
Speaker 2: so listen, I get a bell. I'm so sorry. This
Speaker 2: is a day where I just have a lot of
Speaker 2: my plate. I feel like Andrew today were so busy,
Speaker 2: so busy, lots of meetings, lots of schedule things. Uh
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go. You guys, do what you want. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, feel free to dive into some of
Speaker 2: the old rantid cereal. I won't do that, you know,
Speaker 2: Try what you want, Maria. Yeah, that's yeah. It's been
Speaker 2: sitting there for months and months and months, and it's
Speaker 2: probably opened. The bag is ripped open. So just enjoy
Speaker 2: the staleness. All right, so thank you so much. Thank
Speaker 2: it was pleasure, absolutely pleasure to you.
Speaker 3: And next time he comes back, we'll do a full episode.
Speaker 3: But now we'll go into more of a bull chat.
Speaker 3: Hey do your thing great, you have a mic.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to take over this mic. Here.
Speaker 3: All I do is press the stop record button.
Speaker 2: Well, you just press the stop and then just title
Speaker 2: it with this keyboard here, okay, and then enter and
Speaker 2: it'll save it.
Speaker 1: I'll sunday. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I take my little cups here for Oh wow, you're
Speaker 3: actually taking things home.
Speaker 1: That's a surprise. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nice, Okay, great, bye Scott, Bye Scott, we'll miss you.
Speaker 2: You guys can just go ahead talk.
Speaker 4: I think I forgot something.
Speaker 3: Okay, well great, awesome, okay, So a huge fan of
Speaker 3: the podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Ten out of ten, thank you.
Speaker 1: And you've been doing it for ten years twelve years? Twelve? Yes,
Speaker 1: oh wow, that is a whole bag of marshmallows, I can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wild. Yeah, we've been doing watcher crappings for twelve years.
Speaker 1: We started in yeah, twenty twelve. Wow, which is wild.
Speaker 3: I know it's crazy. So, like, what made you want
Speaker 3: to start like did you and Ronnie just hit it
Speaker 3: off immediately?
Speaker 1: Like where'd you guys meet? Yeah, So I used to blog.
Speaker 1: That's like my origin story is blogging. I started a
Speaker 1: bloger twenty years ago with my friend and the blog
Speaker 1: it was called tv Gasm, and we used to write
Speaker 1: recaps of TV and at that time, no one was
Speaker 1: doing TV recaps and so it was like it became
Speaker 1: it really blew up and wound up actually selling the blog,
Speaker 1: which is wild. That was really the peak of like
Speaker 1: what everyone was like, Wow, blogs, What's this new exciting
Speaker 1: thing that's gonna be here forever. So we were able
Speaker 1: to cash. So then we were now like official bloggers
Speaker 1: and we were like, you know, we were working. We
Speaker 1: were bought by Beata Murray Productions, which did like the
Speaker 1: Real World and the Challenge and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: so now we needed to like build out our blogging
Speaker 1: staff and so we had we sort of like put
Speaker 1: out the word like, hey, submit to write, and so
Speaker 1: Ronnie he submitted and his sample was really good. So
Speaker 1: he started writing for TV gasm. And he lived in
Speaker 1: La so I'd met him a few times and he
Speaker 1: was really cool, really funny. So that's how we met
Speaker 1: and then fast forward to twenty ten or eleven or so,
Speaker 1: and I had left TV Gasm, I'd started a new blog,
Speaker 1: and that new blog, I had started to blog about
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives, and I got hired to host a
Speaker 1: web show about the Real housewives called Housewives Hodown and
Speaker 1: naturally I love that title. Yes, And so my job
Speaker 1: as the host was that I always had to bring
Speaker 1: on guests, and so I would bring on Ronnie because
Speaker 1: I knew that he was covering the Real Housewives at
Speaker 1: TV gasm and he's funny also, yeah, and so I'd
Speaker 1: bring him on and we just had like a lot
Speaker 1: of fun doing it. And also my friend Matt, I'd
Speaker 1: bring him on, and the three of us always had
Speaker 1: like really good chemistry. And then the web show, the
Speaker 1: network that the web show was on, just went down,
Speaker 1: and so but we still really enjoyed doing what we did.
Speaker 1: So we thought, like, let's start a podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I feel like you were early
Speaker 3: to the podcast game, like twelve years ago, like nobody
Speaker 3: was doing podcasts yeah, or if they did, it was
Speaker 3: like a we don't really know how to get it.
Speaker 3: Hope for the best, like maybe we'll find it some
Speaker 3: place like there were.
Speaker 1: Definitely were podcasts enough that there was you know, the
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts store Ateah that time, it was like there
Speaker 1: was a podcast action on iTunes and there were podcasts,
Speaker 1: but it was really Cereal that made podcasting like a
Speaker 1: thing that like everyone particular like Mainsture, it made it mainstream.
Speaker 1: He made a thing that like a viable form of
Speaker 1: entertainment for people. So yeah, we were I think maybe
Speaker 1: about two years before Cereal. Cereal, Yeah, we started podcasting.
Speaker 1: We invented it.
Speaker 3: I think you were actually the first podcast yeah for sure. Yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: we came up with the word wow. Love that. So
Speaker 3: what Housewives did you like? Would you say?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 3: I know Diamond touched on it, but what's like your
Speaker 3: favorite version of the Housewives.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always loved Ronnie. Ronney has always been my
Speaker 1: absolute favorite, like number one. Like I just I think
Speaker 1: Rony is It's just perfection and I've always loved it.
Speaker 1: I don't love the new cast. I just don't think
Speaker 1: that they have the right energy.
Speaker 3: The only one I've seen is this new one, and
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, I was kind of like,
Speaker 3: I don't really know what's going on here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Bravo cast it to be like,
Speaker 1: look at these these like five fabulous or six fabulous
Speaker 1: women that you can be friends with, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be friends with my real housewives. Now.
Speaker 1: I want to laugh at their delusion. I want to
Speaker 1: like see them and say, how do these people exist
Speaker 1: in a real world? How do these people go to
Speaker 1: a restaurant and act like this? That's what I go.
Speaker 3: For for a real housewife.
Speaker 1: Same, I don't go for like this is the real
Speaker 1: New York like this is I want to like, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I just want to sit and watch fashion influencers.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I curse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't give a fuck. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: Like when I watch reality TV, I feel like I
Speaker 3: grew up in reality TV, like Flavor of Love, legit,
Speaker 3: Like that was my eighth grade high school experience was
Speaker 3: Flavor of Love. So for me, I'm like, the more delusional,
Speaker 3: the better. So when it's not and you're trying to
Speaker 3: make me feel who is coming through on this mic?
Speaker 3: This is the fun part about these studios. We don't
Speaker 3: know how they work. Hey Diamond, I can hear you
Speaker 3: in here? Oh, I can hear you in here? No, no,
Speaker 3: I can hear you, can hear you.
Speaker 1: She doesn't get it. You're a guest on Serial Killers
Speaker 1: at the moment.
Speaker 3: Hold on, maybe I move one of these two.
Speaker 1: I don't know about touching these yea.
Speaker 3: So this controls like all of New York in here,
Speaker 3: and so I'm just casually like great, yeah, now, oh great,
Speaker 3: it's fixed, amazing, exciting, great, Okay, so we're back to
Speaker 3: the show. Amazing, show, fabulous, fun, little technical difficulties.
Speaker 1: By the way, should I be like looking at the
Speaker 1: camera like well we talk or looking at some times
Speaker 1: I look at that and I'm like, I don't. Then
Speaker 1: I feel like i'm too It's like NPR, like the
Speaker 1: NPR skit on SNL. I never saw that. Oh sorry baby, sorry.
Speaker 3: But yes, flavor of love. I want delusional I love
Speaker 3: delusional reality people. I don't understand the trend of trying
Speaker 3: to make them normalized, like they.
Speaker 1: Are not normal. It's I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: is that it's like it's shortsighted attempts to you know.
Speaker 1: I think in the past few years, there's been obviously
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about giving terrible people platforms in
Speaker 1: American culture and and the and the dangers that come
Speaker 1: with that, which is I think a totally important thing
Speaker 1: to discuss, and it's also very valid. We do not
Speaker 1: want to be giving terrible people platforms because it's way
Speaker 1: more insidious than we ever expected the ramifications of that.
Speaker 1: That being said, for the Real House delusions, how about
Speaker 1: we do more public service announcements like please don't like,
Speaker 1: let's watch these people make fun of them and like,
Speaker 1: let's not take any lessons from them. Okay, like let's not.
Speaker 1: And I think what happened was that Bravo may have
Speaker 1: tried to like pivot a little too hard into like
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we don't we want to give like
Speaker 1: fresh exciting faces a platform. Instead, it's like yeah, but
Speaker 1: like make them delusion, make sure they're still delusional.
Speaker 3: Yes, you have to cast a delusion otherwise, like why
Speaker 3: are we doing a show? Yeah, there's no point.
Speaker 1: We need to be able to make fun of them,
Speaker 1: Like I just don't think that I'm tuning in to
Speaker 1: to feel like these people are my friends. That being said,
Speaker 1: I I have watched Tomorrow Night's Summer House, and I
Speaker 1: can't say anything because it's embargoed, but I was definitely
Speaker 1: watching along like they were my friends. I was sitting
Speaker 1: there like with like my like my chin on my
Speaker 1: on my wrist, just like giggling. Like every time Page
Speaker 1: Disorbo made a joke, Page, I'm like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: she's not talking to you, Ben right. So I can
Speaker 1: aspire and I can blur those lives.
Speaker 3: But just once the summer comes around, they tape in
Speaker 3: New York. You haven't been invited to a Summer House party.
Speaker 1: A years ago. I went to the Summerhouse in season two.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, so Ronny and I would watch for Crappins.
Speaker 1: We do live shows, and the very first big live
Speaker 1: show we ever did was here in New York City,
Speaker 1: and that was during season one of Summerhouse, and we
Speaker 1: invited Kyle Cook and so Kyle came with Amanda and
Speaker 1: Christina Gibson who was on season one came, and Steven
Speaker 1: who was on season one and two came. So the
Speaker 1: four of them came to our live show, which is
Speaker 1: really cool. And as it happened, after that live show,
Speaker 1: I was going out to the Hamptons because my friends
Speaker 1: have a house there which is very boogie, and I
Speaker 1: was like a step into the boogie life. And so
Speaker 1: I told them. I was like, yeah, I'm going out
Speaker 1: to the Hamptons this weekend. They're like, oh, you gotta come
Speaker 1: to the house. You gotta come house. I was like yes.
Speaker 1: So we went to the house and like, were they filming?
Speaker 1: They were filming. I'm proud to say I was fully
Speaker 1: edited out of the footage deemed worthy. Damn. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was great. It was so fun to be in
Speaker 1: the summerhouse. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They tried to do a reality show once years ago.
Speaker 3: We're good Diamond, thank you the show. They tried to
Speaker 3: do reality show years ago, and so like we were
Speaker 3: miked for a scene and I was like, oh my god, Like,
Speaker 3: where is this gonna go?
Speaker 1: Wait? What was the reality show that you were at? Oh?
Speaker 3: I can hear you again?
Speaker 4: Can I do these things?
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means? What does take out
Speaker 3: of Q means? Oh, that's also doctor Brad, the foot
Speaker 3: doctor from my feet are killing me. Oh, you never
Speaker 3: know who's gonna stop y.
Speaker 1: Does he do foot massages? Can I get a message?
Speaker 1: Probably it's probably like insulting he's a doctor? Yeah, so true,
Speaker 1: so true? Can I get a ful massage? Make it hurt?
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. I hear you do something with me?
Speaker 1: Can I get a fit massage? Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is a scary board. Sorry, we've learned things now.
Speaker 1: Yeah we should have known.
Speaker 3: I'm not Union. I can't touch the board. Oh okay, sorry,
Speaker 3: not a party, sag Aftra, thank you. So yeah, they
Speaker 3: micd us. It was supposed to be a whole scene
Speaker 3: and we were at a restaurant and I was supposed
Speaker 3: to like bring up the scene if it was for Summerhouse. No,
Speaker 3: this was for like the reality that they were going
Speaker 3: to do of the Morning Show. Oh yes, like we
Speaker 3: had cameras filming for like two weeks.
Speaker 1: Never when this is a real basically yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was like I just remember sitting in the restaurant.
Speaker 3: I had to bring up like the plot because I
Speaker 3: was Elvis's assistant, So I had to one of the
Speaker 3: people we were out with, like she was planning her
Speaker 3: own show, and they were.
Speaker 1: Like, you have to say the line like Elvis is counting.
Speaker 3: On you, likely in the middle of like this lunch
Speaker 3: that's going nowhere. I had to be like, you better
Speaker 3: not mess up because Elvis is really worried about this show.
Speaker 3: No wonder why it's on the cutting room floor, like
Speaker 3: no drama whatsoever. Commercial break, commercial break.
Speaker 1: I should have flipped the table, Yeah, you should have.
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting. So I've I've never been a
Speaker 1: reality star, but i have I've like flirted with the
Speaker 1: experiences like I was at I was at the Summer House. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did. A huge Big Brother fan even though the show,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a terrible show. You're you know, you're safe.
Speaker 1: But like Big Brother, what they used to do is
Speaker 1: they would have like, uh, it's called media Day, and
Speaker 1: they would invite members of the media into the Big
Speaker 1: Brother House. This is like a like maybe like a
Speaker 1: week or two weeks ahead of the season to promote
Speaker 1: the show. They'd invite members of the media into the
Speaker 1: Big Brother House and you'd spend the whole day there
Speaker 1: and have like the Big Brother experience. And so you do,
Speaker 1: like you'd all be in the house together. You do
Speaker 1: like a Head of Household competition. You do like a
Speaker 1: Veto competition. There's nominees all this stuff, and you're micd up.
Speaker 1: You go into the diary room and at the end
Speaker 1: they edit together a little episode. And so it was
Speaker 1: obviously a dream come true for me to be in
Speaker 1: the Big Brother House. I got to go in because
Speaker 1: my friend Joe Adallion, who was a TV writer or critic,
Speaker 1: he like like sort of sponsored me. He said, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Ben's going to write something for whatever the publication was
Speaker 1: that maybe it's like the rap I don't know, some
Speaker 1: bizarre fine. So I got to go in and it
Speaker 1: was so fun and I got to like be like
Speaker 1: pretend to be a reality star for a day. It was.
Speaker 1: It was so fun getting micd up, you know, and like,
Speaker 1: so I did it two years in a row. In
Speaker 1: the first year, I did it like as if I
Speaker 1: were playing Big Brother, which was I was like pretty chill.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make a splash. And when I
Speaker 1: watched the DVD, I was like, not on it. They
Speaker 1: had me. I was like for like one diary room
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's so wrong. So the second year,
Speaker 1: I was like reality star and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is how it happens, because you get that bug. Because
Speaker 1: I went in the second season and I was like
Speaker 1: loud and brash. I didn't care who overheard me strategizing.
Speaker 1: I was like and I was all over that DVD
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, people like I
Speaker 1: don't know I was like, I was the bane of
Speaker 1: people's existences and I'm in my mind I was Everyone's
Speaker 1: probably like, oh man was very nice. You watch it
Speaker 1: back and you're like, sorry, excuse me, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I just want to make a strategy.
Speaker 3: Strategy with you?
Speaker 1: Can I make strategy? But like I totally could see
Speaker 1: how that bug for like screen time, Yeah, takes over.
Speaker 3: For sure for I. Like, so I am a huge
Speaker 3: Survivor fan, so r I was like.
Speaker 1: I'm two episodes behind.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched anything since forty The episodes.
Speaker 1: Are so long right now, Like I watched the first
Speaker 1: two episodes of this season and they're both two hours long.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we don't, Like it's a lot.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what fans always wanted, but now
Speaker 3: that they got it, it's like, did we really need it?
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard and like they have added so
Speaker 1: many convoluted things, especially in the beginning of the season. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, people are going to go on a journey
Speaker 1: and they go up to a mountaintop and one person
Speaker 1: gets this, and one person gets that, and then this
Speaker 1: there's this type of immunity in this advantage. That advantage
Speaker 1: too much. Just let me play what in the movie itols.
Speaker 1: That's fine, get.
Speaker 3: Do that too too much? I so season thirty seven
Speaker 3: and thirty eight, I was actually I made it to
Speaker 3: finals casting like I was about to beat on it
Speaker 3: and I got cut. But it was like you had
Speaker 3: to stay isolated and by yourself for the casting, and
Speaker 3: I disliked that immensely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put you in a hotel, right, yeah that's
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like a full week of just like by yourself.
Speaker 3: You eat by yourself, you go to like producers meetings
Speaker 3: and you're just there.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, what am I doing? This is scary? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's they gotta like get you through that. So that
Speaker 1: way the didn't know if you're really My friend went
Speaker 1: through that and he got all the way to the end.
Speaker 3: And then yes, Scott bowting, Yes, no, okay, I can
Speaker 3: hear you though. Hey Scott, you're on speaker now.
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm sorry to interrupt. I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 5: but I now have like a film on the top
Speaker 5: of my mouth. I've already had to drink two bottles
Speaker 5: of water because whatever this cereal did to me, So
Speaker 5: I might have to.
Speaker 1: Amend my rating.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Oh wow, so you called into amend your rating? Okay,
Speaker 3: go for it. Yeah, sure, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I gave it two balls. I need
Speaker 5: to drop it down a spoon to a ball in
Speaker 5: a spoon because of the after effects.
Speaker 1: That's all a film on your mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems a little critical. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I don't feel the film.
Speaker 1: I don't have the film. No, no, I don't.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it interacts with my salaiva differently than it
Speaker 5: does with yours. But if it happened to me, it
Speaker 5: could happen to others, so they lose a spoon.
Speaker 3: It's well, thank you so much, Scott. We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Take care. No bye, Wow, that's so bizarre. I don't
Speaker 1: have any but I wonder I've been sort of sipping
Speaker 1: this coffee. Maybe the coffee, the acid in the coffee
Speaker 1: is dissolving the film.
Speaker 3: I've literally had nothing.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that cereal and.
Speaker 3: It's been bad. Like the chocolate one is like not it,
Speaker 3: not it? But that was decent. Yeah, I like a
Speaker 3: decent one. But anyway, reality people not for me, no,
Speaker 3: maybe one day, who knows, But for right now, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's fun to visit. It's fun to visit
Speaker 1: the world. Like I love seeing you know, I live
Speaker 1: in La I love encountering a reality show shoot. I
Speaker 1: feel like one of the most special things that ever
Speaker 1: happened to me is that I once went to a
Speaker 1: bar and Audrina was filming a scene for The Hills, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I got to be there. I
Speaker 1: got to see a scene from the Hills being filmed,
Speaker 1: Like that's that was at that time. That was the
Speaker 1: dream to be somewhere and they were filming for The
Speaker 1: Hills and I got to see her on a date
Speaker 1: with Ryan Cabrera and I.
Speaker 3: Was that was peak two thousands right there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you don't even know what a dream
Speaker 1: that was for me. Wow.
Speaker 3: So that one was fully scripted, though.
Speaker 1: So I think it was largely scripted. So from my
Speaker 1: understanding of it was that the scenes and the scenarios
Speaker 1: were scripted, but they what they actually said in them,
Speaker 1: It was it was like it was like not scripted interactions.
Speaker 1: I think that like that's a a thing with reality
Speaker 1: TV I believe, is that obviously there's a good amount
Speaker 1: of scripting and manipulation. But I think like the worst
Speaker 1: reality shows are like truly all scripted, where where they're
Speaker 1: really like their lines and there's all of it. It's
Speaker 1: lines and you can tell and you can tell yeah,
Speaker 1: because if these people were good actors, they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing reality TV.
Speaker 3: So accurate right completely, Like yes, they definitely have. And
Speaker 3: this is what I try and explain to people, especially
Speaker 3: when it comes to like Real Housewives. There are storyboards,
Speaker 3: like they know that point like this character throughout the
Speaker 3: season is going through a divorce, So how is the
Speaker 3: divorce going to interact with this?
Speaker 1: Yes? And how do we get from point A to
Speaker 1: point B? And I've been told that like like, for instance,
Speaker 1: certain shows, there's a show I heard about that a
Speaker 1: producer like I think it was Jersey Delicious, Like I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, wow, Okay, it's like they decide they know
Speaker 1: where they want the show to go and then they
Speaker 1: work back where it's like, okay, how can we get
Speaker 1: the characters to get to this place? Got it? And
Speaker 1: so there is that, But I think that the best shows,
Speaker 1: if it is scripted, like highly scripted, you don't see
Speaker 1: the scene. So I actually really think the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: are top tier because the interactions often feel very organic,
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff they say in the confessionals
Speaker 1: like you know it's planned, or like you also can
Speaker 1: tell if maybe they said something and the producer said
Speaker 1: that was really good. Can you kind of just like
Speaker 1: say it like this instead or build tighter Like sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll have them re say something.
Speaker 3: It's a show at the end of the day, so
Speaker 3: you want the best product.
Speaker 1: But what I don't like is when it's literally just
Speaker 1: so obvious that like this has been something that's been
Speaker 1: written and these people like got a lot of the
Speaker 1: a lot of like a lot of the shows on
Speaker 1: E are like that are really high scripted, and they
Speaker 1: sit there and they're like doing singsong e. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like watching a sixth grade play and they're like
Speaker 1: the other day, I was really upset with when she
Speaker 1: said that. It makes me wonder, like is she even
Speaker 1: a friend? I don't know?
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so there was a show me and my
Speaker 3: friend Miranda love watching one season. Wonder reality shows like
Speaker 3: only one season give me the worst of the worst.
Speaker 3: So Tinsley from the Housewives Right the Diamond was obsessed
Speaker 3: with she had a show one season two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a highlight or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, have you ever seen it?
Speaker 1: Uh huh? It is so bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we're talking scripted, like there's just that random
Speaker 3: woman Devora God, I forgot about that. Oh I've watched
Speaker 3: it at least three times. Like that is we watch it?
Speaker 1: You know. The thing is that it's fantastic. It's the
Speaker 1: celebrity reality shows that are the that are the biggest
Speaker 1: defenders because celebrities actually have an image that they're trying
Speaker 1: to protect and they so they are very like is
Speaker 1: always highly high scripted, which is why I generally don't
Speaker 1: watch the celebrity reality shows. But sometimes there are somewhere
Speaker 1: like despite the scripting, like the weird shit comes through,
Speaker 1: like Whitney and Bobby Brown when they had their show
Speaker 1: that was like you were you cannot script Whitney Houston
Speaker 1: asking Bobby Brown to like wipe off a dingleberry from
Speaker 1: her ass, or Paula Abdul like sobbing through her show.
Speaker 3: I never liked either of those, but I do remember
Speaker 3: the Whitney Houston one, the scene when they're in I
Speaker 3: think the Las Vegas strip mall and they're like trying
Speaker 3: on glasses and doing like the head bobbing thing. Ten
Speaker 3: out of ten.
Speaker 1: Those are both Bravo shows actually, which is the craziest
Speaker 1: part really Bravo shows. There was like obviously the I
Speaker 1: think the first big or maybe the first ever celebrity
Speaker 1: reality show was The Osbourne's, which was such a big
Speaker 1: team And I remember when that show ended and they
Speaker 1: they did like a bit where it was like clear
Speaker 1: that they were like saying lines that were and I
Speaker 1: was like, I could not believe it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was all.
Speaker 3: I thought, you guys were really doing these things.
Speaker 1: The Osborne's was such a thing. I think people forget
Speaker 1: about that it was such a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an early yeah, the first of its
Speaker 3: kind in like the family style reality show that doesn't
Speaker 3: didn't really exist before then.
Speaker 1: It was part of the first wave of a reality TV.
Speaker 1: It was like you know, in that first from two
Speaker 1: thousand to like two thousand and four or five, Yes,
Speaker 1: that all those all everything was being thrown at the wall.
Speaker 3: This Surreal Life was my other personal.
Speaker 1: Favorite love Surreal Life.
Speaker 3: That one also didn't feel scripted, like I can't. It
Speaker 3: just felt like these people truly didn't know how they
Speaker 3: got into this house, Yeah, and why they were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder like, at what point did scripting become more,
Speaker 1: like when did it really start to take over? Because
Speaker 1: I know for sure by two thousand and five there
Speaker 1: was a lot of scripting because I used to be
Speaker 1: a segment producer on a show called Reality Rundown on
Speaker 1: the Fox Reality Network. Oh okay, and so I'd have
Speaker 1: to watch these awful reality shows, like a Ted Nugent
Speaker 1: show or like just these random you've seen the worst
Speaker 1: of the worst. Yeah, there was a show like Amy
Speaker 1: Grant and like not good, not like Three Wishes or something.
Speaker 1: It was like Amy Grant's like fixing Communities. I love that,
Speaker 1: but just not Amy Grant. I was so happy to
Speaker 1: do an Amy Grant show, but it was the show.
Speaker 1: And there's like Lisa Lobe had like a dating show,
Speaker 1: all these weird things.
Speaker 3: Oh, Morosa had a random one on like a public
Speaker 3: access channel that people forget about.
Speaker 1: I love a Morossa. I love her so much.
Speaker 3: She's a great reality villain.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 3: I think she plays it extremely well, like she knows
Speaker 3: she has to be a character, but at the same time, like.
Speaker 1: So good at it, Like she's been doing that for
Speaker 1: twenty years being Amerosa and I met her once and
Speaker 1: like I just felt so connected to her. She was
Speaker 1: the best, Like we were just like we liked hugged.
Speaker 1: We just became friends and like I don't know if
Speaker 1: she still follows me on Instagram. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't know if she still remembers me. But like
Speaker 1: I loved her, I loved I loved Amerosa.
Speaker 3: My question is just say Beverly Hills now, we talk
Speaker 3: about like acting being too much, it kind of taints
Speaker 3: the formula of the show. I feel like the Beverly
Speaker 3: Hills now is just all actresses. Like I don't know
Speaker 3: when that started, but I just don't feel like it
Speaker 3: has sort of moved into like soap opera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm okay with that because it does
Speaker 1: represent a certain kind of miliea of nice word yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I invented that too with podcasting.
Speaker 3: Wow, the originator of a word no.
Speaker 1: But because there is like what's so interesting about Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills is that there's this there is this like group
Speaker 1: of people who were all like either child stars or
Speaker 1: soap stars or just sort of like this mid pack
Speaker 1: tier of actors you know that are like they're not
Speaker 1: quite D lists, because I think reality stars are now
Speaker 1: the D list. Yeah, but they're like they're definitely not
Speaker 1: A lists and they're not really B lists. Like it's
Speaker 1: like they do soaps, soaps pretty much, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: go back home. And then they're also connected. There's a
Speaker 1: they're all connected. There's this an incestuous group of David
Speaker 1: Foster and O J. Simpson and they and the Kardashians.
Speaker 1: They all are connected. This all they're all really like
Speaker 1: bound by that O. J. Simpson murder if you really
Speaker 1: look at it, they're all connected to it.
Speaker 3: If there was one person then in the LA circle
Speaker 3: that you think could be on that show, Like, so
Speaker 3: there is no Teresa, there is nobody moving the plot forward.
Speaker 3: Do you think that show needs someone like that there?
Speaker 1: I would like that. I think it needs it. I
Speaker 1: think it needs like someone I think it needs a
Speaker 1: little bit of an agitator disrupt her. You know, Brandy
Speaker 1: was that for a little bit, and then.
Speaker 3: I think she leaned too hard into being an actress
Speaker 3: and then didn't work for her.
Speaker 1: For Brandy Landville, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she really just kind of, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: fought her own hype and that's kind of what led
Speaker 3: to the downfall.
Speaker 1: Well, Brandy's downfall is that she's completely spiraling in the
Speaker 1: wake of this whole thing going on with the girl's trip, Ye,
Speaker 1: with the allegations with her and Caroline, and you know
Speaker 1: she we've seen Brandy she's she's a mess, but like
Speaker 1: she's sort of Brandy and she's like she's and Caroline
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to deal with that, Like
Speaker 1: she's clearly Brandy was doing the Brandy thing and Carolina
Speaker 1: did not want it whatsoever, which is totally within Caroline's
Speaker 1: rights and Brandy. I think it seems like without seeing
Speaker 1: the footage, knowing that Brandy should have just been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I went too far and I'm really sorry. I should
Speaker 1: have respected Caroline's boundaries. I thought that, like it was
Speaker 1: gonna be funny, but instead she's been out of control
Speaker 1: on social media, like going after Bravo, doubling down, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Brandy, no, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Like this sense just get over it, like say you're sorry.
Speaker 1: You're sorry, move on, say your save your reality career.
Speaker 1: But now she's going to be like untouchable.
Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe she'll wind up, does Foctor reality still exist.
Speaker 1: It turned into Nagio. What yes, I'm so sorry, what yes?
Speaker 1: It turned into nat Giou in two thousand and seven
Speaker 1: or eight.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe she'll get a nice dating show. The Naccio
Speaker 3: will make a show for her something.
Speaker 1: I guarantee that, Like, you know, she's proven now that
Speaker 1: she's a liability and now she's I think joining Beth
Speaker 1: neew the reality reckoning. I don't know what's nice for Brandy,
Speaker 1: but it's fingers crossed for the only fans money. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's probably the next up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to feel bad, But at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: like I don't know something about I just think that
Speaker 3: she just watching that show and just seeing her come
Speaker 3: back and beyond these things. It's again it felt like
Speaker 3: very much a character, like she knows she has to
Speaker 3: be an agitator, which there's a natural way to do it.
Speaker 1: And she was. I don't say she was doing a
Speaker 1: good job. I mean she was. She did really good
Speaker 1: job on The Traders. She was on Watched the Traders.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 3: God, is the Traders that good?
Speaker 1: It's better than you could ever imagine. Really, okay, I
Speaker 1: mean better like you don't even investing. Watch both seasons.
Speaker 1: Season two was phenomenal. Season one was great as well.
Speaker 1: Just go watch season one, then watch season two, then
Speaker 1: you will you will never be happier. I've converted so
Speaker 1: many friends to it, people who don't watch reality TV.
Speaker 3: I've heard it's like an escape room meets, Like there's
Speaker 3: so many fun little puzzles that they do and sort of.
Speaker 1: It's really like the game Mafia. You ever played Mafia?
Speaker 1: I love Mafia.
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just it's Mafia. It's literally it's like watching
Speaker 1: reality stars play Mafia.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: All it is. It's all it is. It's literally like
Speaker 1: you have a large cast and you know, some of
Speaker 1: them are traders, the rest are faithful, and the traders
Speaker 1: are murder are quote unquote murdering the faithful, and the
Speaker 1: faithful are trying to find the traders. And that's all
Speaker 1: it is. And they throw in competitions. The competitions don't
Speaker 1: really make sense because they don't do anything. They just
Speaker 1: throw them in because some executive was like, well, we
Speaker 1: need to show something for the trailer. We need action,
Speaker 1: but like yeah, we need action, but like we don't
Speaker 1: need it, Like it doesn't have any consequence to the
Speaker 1: strategy or the implications or anything, but like who cares.
Speaker 1: The competitions are fun, but they're useless, unnecessary. The show
Speaker 1: is so good in yeah, yeah, I'll watch that one.
Speaker 1: You will love it.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Catan board games, whitch your favorite board game?
Speaker 1: My favorite board game of all time is a game
Speaker 1: called Concordia.
Speaker 4: Shut.
Speaker 1: Do you know that I love Concordia?
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, Concordia is the love that game. It's all
Speaker 3: the best elements of Catan. Yes, where it's like you're
Speaker 3: never bored, meaning like you're always picking something up and
Speaker 3: there's some so much fun strategy involved.
Speaker 1: Concordia is such a brilliant game because the strategy is
Speaker 1: deep and the choices are hard, and it's really tense
Speaker 1: and the rule set is really small. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: play like a ton of board games, and like, I
Speaker 1: love games with tons and tons of rules, like Catan
Speaker 1: is often considered a gateway game because that's the first
Speaker 1: time you get your bite of like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: what board games can be. It's not just monopoly, it's
Speaker 1: not just you know.
Speaker 3: Sorry, currency, there's strategy, there's so many control and you're like,
Speaker 3: I remember So I played Catan for the first time
Speaker 3: ten years ago, twenty fourteen, big big moment in my life.
Speaker 1: I played it and I was like, I did not
Speaker 1: know a board game could be this utterly amazing. In fact,
Speaker 1: I did not know a game could fill me with
Speaker 1: these emotions. I was at a bachelor party weekend in
Speaker 1: Lake Tahoe, and all I wanted to do all weekend
Speaker 1: along with play Catan. I just want to play it
Speaker 1: over and over and over, like I just I could
Speaker 1: not get enough. It was like can so relate? It
Speaker 1: was like the world opened up to me. And then
Speaker 1: I started researching other board games and I got into
Speaker 1: the board game hobby, and Concordia is like a great
Speaker 1: next step. Although you can play, I've played it with
Speaker 1: people who've never played real like strategy strategy games, and
Speaker 1: that one's so good, but like there is such a
Speaker 1: world of games out there you don't know.
Speaker 3: Diplomacy is the one that I really want to play,
Speaker 3: but I heard it takes an entire day and I
Speaker 3: just don't know if I have it in me.
Speaker 1: So I used to be scared of that too. I've
Speaker 1: actually never played Diplomacy. The other thing I hear about
Speaker 1: diplomacy is that it ruins friendships.
Speaker 3: So I want to play it though, Like I'm into that,
Speaker 3: Like I want to watch people strategize, like that brings
Speaker 3: me joy.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm still not sure about diplomacy. But what
Speaker 1: I will say is when I first heard about diplomacy,
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, it's a game, but it takes
Speaker 1: six hours, and it's like, what, that's insane. Now I
Speaker 1: will now play a game that will be like twelve
Speaker 1: hours long, and it's fine, Right, It's fine because like,
Speaker 1: who cares if it's twelve hours. You're to be able
Speaker 1: to spend twelve hours with your friends playing a game
Speaker 1: where you're all doing something together. Given that, like going
Speaker 1: out to dinner with your best friends, that'll be like
Speaker 1: a two hour experience. So to be able to spend
Speaker 1: twelve hours with your with your.
Speaker 3: Favorite people with that yelling at each other, yeah, hoping
Speaker 3: to your best reality villain self without a needing.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, you really can do that, diplomacy is obviously legendary.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy a game called Twilight Imperium. If you're
Speaker 1: talking about an epic game, I've never heard of this.
Speaker 1: It's a game that you have to gather at like
Speaker 1: ten am and you're gonna play it till midnight. Wow,
Speaker 1: and that's great. That's a big epic space game. I'm
Speaker 1: not even like a space sci fi guy. But you
Speaker 1: have like your spaceships and you build up your fleet
Speaker 1: and you go attack people. It's really fun.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of this game, Twilight Imperium.
Speaker 1: It's a big one in the hobby. A really good
Speaker 1: strategy game is one called Brass Birmingham or Brass Lancaster,
Speaker 1: Lancaster Great Games or like economic simulators. Okay, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of that one. Oh no, this I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: There's a in there's so many.
Speaker 3: I tried playing. So they had a Catan Settlers of America. Okay,
Speaker 3: the rule book was way too big, Like I was confused.
Speaker 1: All right, well you know sometimes well they're I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's like a video that might help. I try.
Speaker 3: It's usually the same three people, like they're really getting
Speaker 3: off on just one of those three. Someone's making money.
Speaker 1: There's always like someone like sitting on like a wide shot,
Speaker 1: a static wide shot, being like and they do like
Speaker 1: a sing song any thing when you move your thing.
Speaker 1: Now you do this, play a card and then you
Speaker 1: take the action. They're trying to They always try to
Speaker 1: do like a newscaster voice, and it's like, but what
Speaker 1: happens is always the same things. You start like getting
Speaker 1: lulled asleep.
Speaker 3: You have a good audiobook voice.
Speaker 1: I feel like you get in. Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'll keep podcasting.
Speaker 1: It's great. Listen. If someone wants to pay me to
Speaker 1: do the audiobook. That way, I can say I actually read,
Speaker 1: because I'm actually be like literally reading the book. Do
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Speaker 3: They're books, chefs.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: Let me think, what other games do you like?
Speaker 1: Ticket to Ride? So I okay, yes, Ticket to Ride
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 3: Europe is the better version.
Speaker 1: Europe is the better version. It's also a simple game. However,
Speaker 1: that being said, so Ticket to Ride would also fall
Speaker 1: under the Gateway game thing. And the thing is with
Speaker 1: Gateway games is they're always great. I just played Catan
Speaker 1: again like three weeks ago, and so, like, I still
Speaker 1: play my Gateway games, and it's always I love playing them,
Speaker 1: especially bring new people into the hobby. But what happens
Speaker 1: is as you explore these games, For me, my experience
Speaker 1: is that you sort of you find games that build
Speaker 1: upon those that are just even deeper and richer. And
Speaker 1: so while Ticket to Ride is great and I always
Speaker 1: will have fun playing it, like, there are is like
Speaker 1: a world of train games that takes ticket to ride
Speaker 1: and just like it's like on.
Speaker 3: Crack and get passengers on the train? How is the
Speaker 3: train moving a game?
Speaker 1: There are elements actually and then there's so like while
Speaker 1: Ticket to Ride is great, like I want some more
Speaker 1: meat on the bones. So and there are these games
Speaker 1: I play a whole genre of games that they're very niche,
Speaker 1: but I'm making it my mission to make them not niche.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to train these games because
Speaker 1: I think they're great and I think that they they're
Speaker 1: actually more accessible than their reputation is known for the genre.
Speaker 1: It sounds to an outside of the genre, sounds wacky.
Speaker 1: It's they're called eighteen x X games, which sounds very desultory.
Speaker 1: What it sounds like porn in eighteen xx. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a series of train games that all seem to
Speaker 1: take place in like the eighteen hundred's okay, so is
Speaker 1: so like one game is called eighteen thirty one, game
Speaker 1: is called eighteen forty one, games called eighteen twenty two,
Speaker 1: so they just call them all eighteen xx. Great, So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it just sounds like porn. It sounds like
Speaker 1: barely legal porn. Yeah, but it's actually just a they're
Speaker 1: just economic train games.
Speaker 3: And saying it's an economic train game on the box
Speaker 3: doesn't sound as fun as eighteen xx.
Speaker 1: Maybe get that like.
Speaker 3: Random person who's walking in and like, ooh dirty trains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they are like great they take those are
Speaker 1: like all day games. They're all long. Some people say
Speaker 1: I can play one in three hours.
Speaker 3: Google what this box looks like for an eighteen xx.
Speaker 1: They're not like, so let's see what's a good box?
Speaker 1: Look up like eighteen twenty two MX. These names are
Speaker 1: really they just fly off the tip of the tongue.
Speaker 3: Eighteen twenty two MX.
Speaker 1: That's the one that takes place in Mexico and has
Speaker 1: a nice, a nicer box.
Speaker 3: Oh this looks fun, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Isn't it? Isn't that pretty? I like it? Well, I
Speaker 1: chose that one because I like the color scheme. Which
Speaker 1: is so okay, here's my this is the elevator pitch
Speaker 1: that I do. I'm now looking at the camera because
Speaker 1: now I'm no longer a dressing you. I'm addressing America.
Speaker 1: I've been addressing you the entire time I've been sitting
Speaker 1: here hiding behind my camera like this. But now, okay,
Speaker 1: imagine ticket to Ride. Okay, And for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: Ticket to Ride is basically like you have a map
Speaker 1: of America or Europe or Europe or many other places.
Speaker 1: Actually actually a new Ticket to Ride legacy that came
Speaker 1: out that's supposed to be great. Okay, But you're making
Speaker 1: these routes. You're making train routes. There's train tracks that
Speaker 1: reach across the map, and you're trying to connect like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like maybe La to like Phoenix or something,
Speaker 1: or like New York to Pittsburgh, and you're just you're
Speaker 1: putting these little pieces on and when you put up
Speaker 1: enough pieces on the track, you've made your connection and
Speaker 1: you get points. Right. That's the that's the gist of it.
Speaker 1: And so imagine Ticket to Ride. And imagine if I'm watching,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Andrew is doing really well. I
Speaker 1: would like to invest in Andrew, and if he does well,
Speaker 1: I mean to get a kickback. Like I've just bought used.
Speaker 1: I bought us, like you have a stock, like you
Speaker 1: have shares. You are a public company. There are ten
Speaker 1: shares of Andrew, and I'm gonna buy twenty percent of
Speaker 1: Andrew because I believe he's playing Ticket to Ride really well.
Speaker 1: And then you do do really well, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just got five dollars off of that, because not
Speaker 1: real dollars to game dollars. I got five dollars because
Speaker 1: your performance was so good. Wow. And now it's like
Speaker 1: I'm not only caring about what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: I care about what you're doing, and maybe I want
Speaker 1: to help you do well because I mean to get
Speaker 1: a kickback. And that is sort of an overly simplistic
Speaker 1: view of what AIGHT and XX games are, which is
Speaker 1: that like you are building a map, yeah, building routes,
Speaker 1: but you're investing in people and in your stuff and
Speaker 1: I love that. The way that the decisions unfold from
Speaker 1: that is it's remarkable. It's like my favorite thing.
Speaker 3: I can see a lot of fights starting from that,
Speaker 3: because if like I'm choosing to invest in you, but
Speaker 3: like I'm not investing in someone else, like I could
Speaker 3: see that causing some controversy.
Speaker 1: You can get some controversy there. You can block people's routes,
Speaker 1: you can destroy their trains, like.
Speaker 3: I am one hundred.
Speaker 1: It's really like it's not for everyone, but I think
Speaker 1: it's for more people than people realize. And there's a
Speaker 1: there is like math involved, Like that's where people get
Speaker 1: turned off. It's like because you have to calculate, Like okay,
Speaker 1: because you get money for the routes, like on my
Speaker 1: route from you know, Trenton, New Jersey to Philadelphia is
Speaker 1: gonna get me thirty dollars or whatever, and I've got
Speaker 1: to divide that amongst all the shareholders. But you just
Speaker 1: got a calculator. Yeah, it's easy, like whatever type it
Speaker 1: in and divide. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Usually I'm not the math guy. I leave that to
Speaker 3: someone else, but there's always someone at the table does
Speaker 3: the math for sure. I'm good at Catan is nice
Speaker 3: because I can resource draw, like oh my god, here's
Speaker 3: your brick, Like that's easy for me.
Speaker 1: What's the best part about Catan is I think all
Speaker 1: the table talk is really fun, like all the like negotiating,
Speaker 1: like that's so fun and you know you can just
Speaker 1: do it for hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, last do you like the expansions of Catan? So
Speaker 3: I don't actually own any of the expansions. I'm possible
Speaker 3: to play the tabletop version. You always have to play
Speaker 3: it on Steam. It is not fun in person.
Speaker 1: What the which one?
Speaker 3: Like the city is in Cities and Knights and Seafarers.
Speaker 3: So I've done big not fun. I've played them both.
Speaker 1: I have. I mean I have that the five and
Speaker 1: six player expansion, but I've played Seafares, which was fun,
Speaker 1: but it just is like a bigger map, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Cities and Knights. I played it once and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, And some people say that's the best
Speaker 1: way to play it.
Speaker 3: It's the only way I play it, really. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: the engine, and it it changes the whole game, right,
Speaker 3: like because you're now there's like an extra thing you
Speaker 3: have to worry about pirates, which is like what you
Speaker 3: have to worry about, like where everybody else is going.
Speaker 3: There's tiles that you're flipping over. So much more fun,
Speaker 3: way better game.
Speaker 1: That's what everyone says. But I do enjoy the purity
Speaker 1: of just Catan for sure.
Speaker 3: Sometimes fun to go back to the original the og
Speaker 3: And yeah.
Speaker 1: I've definitely heard that once you do Cities and Knights,
Speaker 1: like you just sort of that like that just becomes
Speaker 1: the way you play.
Speaker 3: It's a deeper strategy for sure. And then Original Catan.
Speaker 3: I don't know, especially with new timers, it's like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say it's easy to kind of manipulate the game,
Speaker 3: but it's a little easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's the other thing is that I
Speaker 1: like the purity, and I also am afraid that if
Speaker 1: I went to Cities and Knights it might ruin the
Speaker 1: basic game for me. And then I like having the
Speaker 1: base game as like this special, like clean experience there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: My friend Josh who got me into Katan probably literally
Speaker 3: the same time as you, he refuses to play any expansion.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm only sticking with Catan. There's way better
Speaker 3: games out there than Katan. I'm gonna stick with you O,
Speaker 3: like just that keep it simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I play expansions for like literally every
Speaker 1: other game, but I just with the Catan. I keep
Speaker 1: it classic. I want the classic Catan experience. Let me
Speaker 1: think of what.
Speaker 3: Other ones I like.
Speaker 1: I know I would love to know what other games
Speaker 1: you're you're playing, and.
Speaker 3: There's one I really I own, Like I bought this
Speaker 3: one off today. I was so prepped and ready for it.
Speaker 3: The rules were impossible, and I'm telling you I tried,
Speaker 3: I really tried. But this was supposed to be like
Speaker 3: Mafia meets like a Concordia, like it fit all the
Speaker 3: things that I wanted currencies involved. There's like a little
Speaker 3: wheel something AD some.
Speaker 1: Like huh something a D but social deduction? Yes? Was it?
Speaker 1: Was it a the box of a camel or something AD?
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, it's futuristic like twenty thirty seven
Speaker 1: or something. Imperial maybe I don't know. There is a
Speaker 1: game called Imperial twenty thirty that one, oh that one,
Speaker 1: wait that was that's nothing, But that one has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with Mafia, right.
Speaker 3: So the same by this game thinking that it was nothing,
Speaker 3: Actually that one's sort of close to Yeah, that one
Speaker 3: with the alien wait let me see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imperially, by way, there's twilet imperium this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the same. That's the same. Designers can actually no
Speaker 1: way mm hmm huh.
Speaker 3: And this game is easy to learn. You've played this
Speaker 3: so I.
Speaker 1: Played it once many years ago, and I could not
Speaker 1: wrap my brain around it. But I think that now
Speaker 1: I would because that one's supposed to be like diplomacy
Speaker 1: and Catan sort of mixed together. Yes, And that one
Speaker 1: so that one has the idea, right that you are
Speaker 1: investing in companies and the companies go and they go,
Speaker 1: they attack each other on a map whatever. That's the
Speaker 1: same concept as the eight and XX game. That one
Speaker 1: actually takes from the eight and xx genre and adapts
Speaker 1: it to diplomacy because in AH and XX you're investing
Speaker 1: in companies and those companies build the rails, and in
Speaker 1: that game, the companies do the map stuff.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I need to learn this one, Like.
Speaker 1: This is I've I've been meaning to revisit that because
Speaker 1: I played it in like twenty sixteen or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but now that I know the eight and xx genre,
Speaker 1: I think i'd have a better I would be better
Speaker 1: able to wrap my brain around how that game works,
Speaker 1: because it's really hard to think, like you want to
Speaker 1: think like, oh, this is my company, this is me
Speaker 1: as a player, but it's actually no, you're investing in
Speaker 1: that company and you want that company to do well,
Speaker 1: but you pull out of it. God, it's not doing
Speaker 1: well and go to a different company.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll need to set up a board game night
Speaker 3: for sure, because you and I would love to also
Speaker 3: like take you to one of the board game stores
Speaker 3: and show you the games that you might like.
Speaker 1: I'd love to show you, like bring you into the
Speaker 1: hobby in like I know I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm here in New York City, I
Speaker 1: go to the Complete Strategists that's on Never heard of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's right by the Empire State Building. It's like thirty
Speaker 1: third and like fifth Avenue something like that. And then
Speaker 1: there's a there's a place down by NYU, but it's
Speaker 1: like very small and cramped. It's called like something grounds Hidden.
Speaker 3: No, it's a coffee shop. We have one in Hoboken.
Speaker 3: It's not as funny either. Do you get can you
Speaker 3: like bring? Is it like b yo?
Speaker 1: Well, the Complete s Tragist is just a board game shop.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, great, The one by NYU is like a
Speaker 1: coffee shop whatever with board games, with board games. There
Speaker 1: a lot of board games, but you can buy board
Speaker 1: games there too, But like the one, uh, the Complete
Speaker 1: Tragist has a really a huge selection.
Speaker 3: I love that. The problem is my apartment. I'm in
Speaker 3: a one bedroom. I'm like really trying to find places
Speaker 3: to put these board games.
Speaker 1: Well, what games do you have? You got Imperial twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm Imperial twenty thirty. I have Diplomacy. I buy
Speaker 3: them thinking like, oh, I'm going to set this up
Speaker 3: and then nobody is investing with me for you know,
Speaker 3: my six hour journey to play Diplomacy.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you if you do like a little bit
Speaker 1: of research or you go to board game geek, you
Speaker 1: could probably find a Diplomacy game to play. There are
Speaker 1: people out here, there are people in Manhattan or in
Speaker 1: New York City or Hobo again, that will be that
Speaker 1: it would be down to play. To play see, I
Speaker 1: guarantee play it. It just seems so perfect.
Speaker 3: Like I love the thought that like afterwards, after you strategize,
Speaker 3: then you find out like where people are attacking.
Speaker 1: So you like all of that. Do you like attacking games?
Speaker 1: Do you like deception?
Speaker 3: I love that. That's like my favorite thing because I
Speaker 3: like being able to kind of just do your own thing.
Speaker 3: Usually it's very for me. I have a very simple strategy.
Speaker 3: I usually just go in and very nice and then
Speaker 3: like hopefully get ahead and then it's like over and
Speaker 3: I'm done.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean your Survivor fans. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: backstabbing and all that stuff that is miammo. Do you
Speaker 1: have you played Secret Hitler? That is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite of the social deduction guys. So good,
Speaker 1: that one is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yes, Quarantine that's how like I got through with my friends.
Speaker 1: Did you play? Have you played Dead of Winter?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh? Dead of Winter is one of my all time favorites. Okay, again,
Speaker 1: it's not like the setting is not something that gets
Speaker 1: something excited, but it's, uh, it's a game where it's
Speaker 1: a cooperative games. We're all playing together and it's a
Speaker 1: zombie apocalypse and it's wintertime and we're in like a
Speaker 1: we're in like a town. It's being overrun and we
Speaker 1: have to like we have to like basically survive, but
Speaker 1: one of us is potentially a trader and working with zombies,
Speaker 1: not necessarily working with the zombies, but working against us.
Speaker 1: Like they have their own agenda. Everyone has a private agenda,
Speaker 1: and everyone's private agenda makes them look like they're the trader,
Speaker 1: and they're sometimes there isn't even a trader in the game.
Speaker 1: It depends on the draw of like your ear agendas,
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to work together to achieve a
Speaker 1: goal for the colony, but the trader maybe subverting that
Speaker 1: and it is that sounds wonderful, so fun. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite games. It is a brilliant,
Speaker 1: super super fun game. I've never had a bad game
Speaker 1: of it. It's always been like just just great. I
Speaker 1: did the Mansion one where it's like you're in a
Speaker 1: mansion mansions of madness. Yes, I never played that.
Speaker 3: Got Italian. Not great.
Speaker 1: It's not my style of game.
Speaker 3: I didn't really understand what I was doing. I was
Speaker 3: in a basement. Somehow I got out of the basement.
Speaker 3: I was very confused, and then we won, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't Yeah, this isn't connect.
Speaker 1: Not my type of game where it's kind of like
Speaker 1: trying to like emulate a sort of like movie or
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't like that. There's a whole
Speaker 1: game like the former number one game Gloomhaven. There are
Speaker 1: all these games that are like campaigns and whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't want it, no too much. I want strategy, Yes,
Speaker 1: strategy always yes, and someone make an argument. There is strategy.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get it. But
Speaker 1: it's like storytelling, like I'm good, like well, Dead of Winter.
Speaker 1: What's good is that the storytelling sort of comes naturally
Speaker 1: and flows into it, which is really good. There's an
Speaker 1: amazing game that's out right now. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this would be your vibe or not, but it really
Speaker 1: blew me away. It's called Hegemony, And basically every player
Speaker 1: plays a different class in society. So the one player
Speaker 1: plays the working class, one player plays capitalist, one player
Speaker 1: plays middle class, and one player plays the state. And
Speaker 1: you're all working together to try to like not working together.
Speaker 1: You're all you're trying to advance your segment of society,
Speaker 1: but you have to rely on each other. So like,
Speaker 1: the capitalist class hires people from the working class. So
Speaker 1: but the capitalist class has to pay the working class.
Speaker 1: The working class needs the jobs, capitalists needs the labor.
Speaker 1: Middle class serve in the middle, the state needs to
Speaker 1: get taxes. Geez wi.
Speaker 3: Fun so fun, Yeah, okay, I'm in. Do you like
Speaker 3: Castle Burgundy?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah. Castle Burgundy is a classic.
Speaker 3: My friend Josh who got me into Catan, he's like
Speaker 3: huge he's I think number ten in the world for
Speaker 3: Castle Burgundy.
Speaker 1: Number ten in the world. Congratulations to Josh.
Speaker 3: He loves the Castle Burgundy. It love that one. He
Speaker 3: tried to get me into. Agricola.
Speaker 1: I like it great too, very intense.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I just forget that things are I need to
Speaker 3: do certain things.
Speaker 1: That's the fun of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Usually so intense leads to not like I luck myself
Speaker 3: into a win, like I haven't. I haven't Castle Burgundy.
Speaker 3: I could say, like, oh, I can maybe put some
Speaker 3: strategy down, like I can think ahead Agricola, It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know where this is going to go towards
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 1: It's I have some friends who are super into Gurricola
Speaker 1: and like that's like you can play it on like
Speaker 1: a super super high level. I don't play it like that.
Speaker 1: But I first of all, I enjoy just making a farm.
Speaker 1: That's what the game is. You make a farm and
Speaker 1: you have to feed your family peace. It's very peaceful
Speaker 1: and the most stressful game you could ever play. Like
Speaker 1: you're but like and you have little like animals that
Speaker 1: you know mate, and they.
Speaker 3: Make more vegetables.
Speaker 1: It's like the most delightful sounding thing and it's so stressful,
Speaker 1: but it's such a fun game. I just I don't
Speaker 1: play it very often, just because my friends are always like,
Speaker 1: want to play Agricola and like no, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to play my train game instead, don't play Agricola.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fine, But it's I don't know why I
Speaker 1: have an attitude about it because I love it and
Speaker 1: I own it and it's a great game.
Speaker 3: I need to get into the eighteen xx like you've
Speaker 3: you've sold me on it? Yeah, is it on? There's
Speaker 3: a website that you can play it on. You can
Speaker 3: play it online. Yeah, called h and xx dot games.
Speaker 3: Don't add three X.
Speaker 1: Don't add the third X. Who knows? Like it's important
Speaker 1: to learn the rules. I'm trying to think of a
Speaker 1: good resource to learning eighteen xx I YouTube, but there's
Speaker 1: like eighteen xx media content is a little rough. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, it's not that is not Like the
Speaker 1: best version of Board Game Con had a lot of
Speaker 1: like older men wearing like train caps, so it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so you know, like just so
Speaker 1: you're prepared. Yeah, I mean, but the board game Geek,
Speaker 1: which is the central hub for all board game things
Speaker 1: They do a video series called Game Night where they
Speaker 1: have a group of people that always play games, and
Speaker 1: they did one for a game called eighteen thirty, which
Speaker 1: is like considered to be like the king of all
Speaker 1: the eighteen xx games. It was like the one that
Speaker 1: really kind of kicks hard. This not kicked, it really
Speaker 1: broke through because this the first eighteen xx game. Comment
Speaker 1: like nineteen seventy two. Oh wow, So it's been around
Speaker 1: since the Vietnam War was still happening, it was before Watergate.
Speaker 1: It's been around for like fifty years, been around the block,
Speaker 1: but eighteen thirty is the one that like broke through
Speaker 1: and like made it what it is today. So Game Night,
Speaker 1: the video series Game Night, if you want, that's how
Speaker 1: I was first intrigued by it. Go check out Game Night.
Speaker 1: They play eighteen thirty and they they sort of guide
Speaker 1: you through it and you'll get some good general ideas.
Speaker 1: There's also this really like fun lady named Amby who
Speaker 1: does a she does a video called like board Game Blitz,
Speaker 1: and she's like very cheery, love that and she talks
Speaker 1: she loves talking about H and XX. So that's a
Speaker 1: good resource too. Done. I want to make some at
Speaker 1: and xx content for YouTube, but it's like it's not easy.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, then you gotta get the wide angle.
Speaker 1: And then I'm the guy talking about trains on the internet.
Speaker 1: Nice little side side hobby like I aspire, I aspire,
Speaker 1: I will obviously you can already tell. I'm always trying
Speaker 1: to bring people into aight and XX. I am into
Speaker 1: this game because it's so fun, and like, the more
Speaker 1: people that are into it means that there's more people
Speaker 1: I can play with. Yes, I'm very self interested for sure.
Speaker 3: The next time you were in town, please set up
Speaker 3: a day I will play eighteen XX.
Speaker 1: I would probably need a third or fourth person.
Speaker 3: Done, but I can get it.
Speaker 1: And we'll need like a table spit, We'll need some tables.
Speaker 1: We'll we'll fix because I will do this.
Speaker 3: I'm in. I'm one hundred percent, and I'm always down
Speaker 3: to learn new games. I am ready. I love everything
Speaker 3: you've mentioned about this game. It sounds like an elevated
Speaker 3: strategy game. I love Concordia. I'm in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not like Concordia at all, but it's.
Speaker 3: Not like that one.
Speaker 1: It's but it's more ticket to ride on steroids, on
Speaker 1: steroids and just like, you will never go back to
Speaker 1: Ticket to Ride after it. I have to say it's
Speaker 1: just so good in or you will hate it and
Speaker 1: you will say I can't believe Ben made me waste
Speaker 1: six to eight hours playing this game. Listen.
Speaker 3: I when a game takes out long to me, I
Speaker 3: feel like usually means the game is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one thing that I will warn you about
Speaker 1: is that the sort of like the last hour of
Speaker 1: it can be a little tedious. A lot of people
Speaker 1: just sort of stopped playing. They'll say, it looks like
Speaker 1: you're gonna win, so let's just say you won, which
Speaker 1: is sort of funny, and it's sort of you sort
Speaker 1: of like play the game until the bank runs out
Speaker 1: of money, and so sometimes you're sort of going through
Speaker 1: the motions. And especially it was late at night, it
Speaker 1: sort of has a weird, not great finale element to it.
Speaker 3: But who's one in the morning, You're like, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: The journey through it is so fun and so rewarding,
Speaker 1: and there's so much fun table talk, and there's so
Speaker 1: much so many fun like negotiatings, like negotiating negotiations, and
Speaker 1: the there's just so much depth to it. It just
Speaker 1: says it's the best.
Speaker 3: You got me, you got me, I am in. We
Speaker 3: will play eighteen.
Speaker 1: I never thought that this podcast would start with cereal
Speaker 1: and then somehow get to eight and XX. I'm actually
Speaker 1: blown away.
Speaker 3: This is why we were award nominated. Truly, just yeah,
Speaker 3: blessed the breath.
Speaker 1: By the way, substantial section dealing with reality TV and
Speaker 1: Real Housewives. Yes, I'm very impressed.
Speaker 3: I mean that's our Wednesday episodes. It's bull Chat, so
Speaker 3: we could just talk about whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed because you really hit like the three
Speaker 1: things that I love the most in life, which is food,
Speaker 1: reality TV, and board games. Yeah, it's like literally my
Speaker 1: three passions. Like I have a food newsletter, like I
Speaker 1: do watchracrap Ins, I do a food substack, and then
Speaker 1: I have and I do I do co host a
Speaker 1: small board game podcast. So this is literally my three
Speaker 1: my three creative outlets are right here on this podcast, right.
Speaker 3: Damn wow, bull Chat, we really hit them all. Well,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on. I'm sure next
Speaker 3: time you're in town will not only play board games,
Speaker 3: we'll do a full Serial Killers. Yes, we'll blow it up,
Speaker 3: so I'm looking forward to that. Well, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for coming, Thanks for having me awesome. Well bye guys,
Speaker 3: see you later. This wasn't live, but bye by