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Speaker 1: Please, He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Welly here with Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and then Matt Mike Tomlin held his season ending press

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Speaker 1: conference earlier this afternoon. We will not hear from the

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Speaker 1: Steelers head coach, barring something unforeseen until the draft. I

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Speaker 1: run draft time again. It will see. Typically it's actually

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Speaker 1: the owners meetings, right Uh, you know, we're what they

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Speaker 1: call the NFL Spring meetings, but we don't know if

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Speaker 1: those are going to take place. Uh. They were canceled, right,

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Speaker 1: they were canceled last year. They didn't want to bring

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Speaker 1: all the the That was right when everything was was

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Speaker 1: starting to happen, right before shutdown, because it was right

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Speaker 1: after that's right after the Combine, like three weeks after

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Speaker 1: that is the end or the NFL Spring meetings. So

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Speaker 1: I was all ready to go to the NFL Spring meetings.

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Speaker 1: Last year. They were supposed to be at uh in Florida, Uh,

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Speaker 1: at the breakers, and um, well that got canceled. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and ever since ever since, Yes, the Combine was the

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Speaker 1: last big event for the Hopefully we get to go

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Speaker 1: back this year. But who's to say? But I guess

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Speaker 1: things are trending to kind of in the right direction. Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean I suppose yeah, Um, but what do you

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Speaker 1: lot about obviously, you know, things that went wrong, things

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Speaker 1: that Um, you know, what can we expect change of

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Speaker 1: those kind of things? And quite frankly, um, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna have those answers, you know two days after or

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Speaker 1: three days after. You know, he hasn't met with the

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Speaker 1: team yet. Really they had a virtual meeting yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: hasn't started having to sit down meetings with players as

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Speaker 1: we'll start to happen uh here over the next couple

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Speaker 1: of days and run into Friday. And you said the

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Speaker 1: facility was closed yesterday. Yeah, the facility was closed yesterday.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we would have been sitting in a

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Speaker 1: in a regular setting, Um, you know, I may have

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Speaker 1: asked the follow up questions, are those meetings going to

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Speaker 1: take place face to face this year? Or are they

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Speaker 1: you know, are they virtual meetings with each guy individually?

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Speaker 1: How's that gonna work? You know, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: this deal is doing. Maybe you do, but usually most

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Speaker 1: teams will sit down with each player. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: that's what he does, you know. And he has a

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Speaker 1: very frank conversation with even the free agent guys. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that workout. Maybe we can't because the cap situation, but

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Speaker 1: That's when those conversations take place, right right, And it's

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Speaker 1: obviously a very important piece of the process too. I mean, um,

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Speaker 1: having that communication over out there, airing all grievances in

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Speaker 1: a way. Maybe hey, we'd like you to you know,

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Speaker 1: mean all those type of things, or boy, you came

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Speaker 1: a long way. It's not all bad, right right right?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I assume they will be happening.

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Speaker 1: they'll have Mike Tomlin will have similar meetings with the

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Speaker 1: week and that's when you you know, if you're going

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Speaker 1: more changes or retirements or coaching changes. Well, there will

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Speaker 1: that you know, essentially said that, you know, to keep

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Speaker 1: be you know, foolish, and they're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: not what the Steelers do. No, no, nor should they.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that's even a good recipe in

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Speaker 1: they have a process. Yeah, they have a process. They'll

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Speaker 1: just like the Steelers. Yeah, they rely. They overpaid for

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Speaker 1: It's one thing for one thing about that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: One thing for markis palency to do it to take

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Speaker 1: Wednesday's off because of his bodily situation. He's been here

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Speaker 1: practice Wednesdays. I need to maintain a like and you're

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Speaker 1: because it's just then you gotta spend extra time doing

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Speaker 1: I don't want I don't think he's worth that much money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially the success you've had to that position. And every

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Speaker 1: year there's more and more great receivers. Now there's a

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Speaker 1: lot Like I saw a thing yesterday where they were

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Speaker 1: going to be available this year. Yeah, so they're saying, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the wide receiver market is recession proof, is it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's interesting. I wish I read it

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Speaker 1: but maybe it's even three now. Alan Robinson and Sammy

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Speaker 1: Watkins made so much ridiculous money. Sammy Watkins got nineteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year and he couldn't stay healthy then,

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Speaker 1: you know, like nineteen million a year and he was

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Speaker 1: getting paid Antonio Brown money at that time, and he

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Speaker 1: was the best receiver in the league, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I wonder when these guys hits. I mean, some of

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Speaker 1: them might end up getting franchised. With the wealth of

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Speaker 1: paying big money to a receiver. That's the thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: year after year drafting these guys. They don't all have

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Speaker 1: if they're all Washington or better, and they're a day

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Speaker 1: can still have a cheap wide receiver room, that's great

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Speaker 1: because it's you know, to get into that to dip

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Speaker 1: an average you know player, an average starter is fifteen

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Speaker 1: just a you know, a blip in the radar because

426
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: of the global pandemic. It's not like it's a trend

427
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: where everyone is saying we're not going to games anymore,

428
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: which was the case in two thousand eleven. That's where

429
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's when all the digital stuff was starting

430
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: to happen, and you know, they were there's some uncertainty

431
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: there in regards to the revenue streams. This is different well,

432
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: and and now the digital people are the ones that

433
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: are spending most of the money trying to get involved

434
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: in you know, broadcasting of the games, etcetera, etcetera. But again,

435
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: if it's a you know, two thirds majority or something,

436
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: you only need nine no votes from the owners, uh

437
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: to scuttle it. You know, I could come up with

438
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: nine knows, you know, the in the normal suspects. So well,

439
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: that's where you needed Dan Rooney in the room to

440
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: uh help negotiate to something like that, because it's just

441
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: not good for the league. I I agree with you.

442
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: Um again, we're of the same mind. I'm just a

443
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: little bit more skeptical about it. Enough people caring about

444
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: the go to the league and not only serving their

445
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: own self interests. But you know, let's hope. Yeah, I'm

446
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: with you and and thought about it from that angle.

447
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: But if you are the Patriots Bengals, you know, long

448
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: list of teams that have a lot of caps, based

449
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: need a lot of stuff, and teams are gonna be

450
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: cutting good players and no one else can afford them. Well,

451
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: you get good pretty quick, right at least at least

452
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and then then it comes down to you know, your

453
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: that that team's ability to um, you know, pick out

454
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: the good apples from the bad ones out of the

455
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: out of the big box. So but again, you know,

456
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm still hopeful. Uh, but after watching that Brown's playoff game, um,

457
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: and things happening that I couldn't imagine that I was

458
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: seeing what I was saying. You know, I kept thinking

459
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: of Jack Buck. I can't believe what I just saw.

460
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: I thought of that line about six times from the

461
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: opening snap of the game. Yes. Um, So anyway, Bob,

462
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: Matt and I were just having a conversation here in

463
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: regards to what the Steelers main priorities should be in

464
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: terms of their own guys, who to bring back who,

465
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: you know, whatever, how they should prioritiz prioritize that. And

466
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: to me, um, I guess maybe too both of us here,

467
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: uh number of priority number one should be trying to

468
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: figure out a way to keep Bud dupris. Yeah, I mean,

469
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: and you know, but the only thing with that is,

470
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: you know I think that it um that that only

471
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Speaker 1: happen and then you know fantasy land, um, because I mean,

472
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't see how the arithmetic

473
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: works out. I just don't. Um. Uh, if you guys

474
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: can come up with something, I'll be willing to listen.

475
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: But you know, you're looking at a potential situation where

476
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: the Steelers are in a position where they're cutting players

477
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: just to get compliant, let alone have any money to spend. Uh.

478
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: So I believe that in today's NFL um especially number

479
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: one picks. If you look at number one picks now

480
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: that their first contract, you know it's four years plus

481
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: the option, so that's five. I think that the way

482
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: they look at things now is the second contract is

483
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: when you have to cash out, because contracts are usually

484
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: four years free agency, so you're already done five plus four,

485
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: that's nine. If you're still in the leg after that

486
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: and you're not a quarterback, you're on the downside. You're

487
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: not going to cash out then. So for a guy

488
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: like Bud dupre Um, if I was his agent, I

489
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: would be telling him, this is the one where you

490
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: have to make your money. Well, his problem is though

491
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: he's coming off of a knee injury. I get it, Um,

492
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know though that even that would mitigate

493
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: his number low enough for the Steelers to do something

494
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: unless he's willing to do a one year, proven deal.

495
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: And that's what I saw something last week or two weeks,

496
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Now they all run together, but the

497
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: top free agents coming available on the market, and there

498
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: was some speculation about, you know, what kind of contract

499
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: they would get. In the contract I saw for bub

500
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: was one year at ten million dollars. Now that sounds

501
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: cheap because because of the knee issue. Yeah. Um, but

502
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: you know again for the other thing that you can't

503
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: you can't only you can't be so myopic in your

504
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: view of the future that you're only looking at correct

505
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: And I get that, And you know, I don't know

506
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: to me though, I think with that way that that

507
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: defense is structured, the way the team is structured, Uh,

508
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: the way you know you've only got your quarterback potentially,

509
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, assuming he comes back for one more year. Um,

510
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, you you kind of got to go all

511
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: in next year, one last time with that group if

512
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: you can. I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but

513
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: again you know I'm gonna keep going back to the arithmetic. Um, well,

514
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Matthews never my strong superob so no, but I mean

515
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: bringing Ben back, that's whatever hit Um Now, you know,

516
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: extending it and you know those kind of things, how

517
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: much that mitigates the cost um, you know, and then

518
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: trying to sign but two is what I mean I'm

519
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: not saying, Okay, I just don't see those things coming together. Um,

520
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't. Now. I hope I'm wrong. Uh. And and

521
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: you know there are some things, you know, and the

522
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: some variances in the universe or whatever, and you know,

523
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: something's happen, some black holes move around. I don't know

524
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: whatever it's gonna take that those things could become realistic.

525
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: But as as we sit here talking about this right now,

526
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't see the numbers. And

527
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, the thing about Ben is if you're gonna

528
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: bring Ben back, I also think you have to be

529
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: able to, um surround him with what he needs to

530
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: have a chance to be effective. And you're looking at

531
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: that offensive line that I think, um, it's gonna have

532
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: at least two out of the five that aren't there. Yeah,

533
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: well that means your line is getting cheaper though. Yeah.

534
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: But isn't any good then? Or is it? Is it

535
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: what he needs? If he's getting rid of the football

536
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and two point three seconds doesn't need to be is good? Uh?

537
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Again, but you know, I

538
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: don't know if if I'm willing to go through another

539
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: year of that offense like that. Well, the offense needs

540
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: to change. Yeah, no matter, no matter what, no matter

541
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: who comes back. I mean, and if you let me

542
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: ask you, guys this, Okay, you bring Ben back, you

543
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: want to run the ball better. So to me, at

544
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: least to some degree, that means more under center? Can

545
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: he can his lower body handle that doing what you

546
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: have to do under center, the moving around, and then

547
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: when it's time to throw, he's got to up back. Um,

548
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: can his knees handle seventeen weeks of that? I don't

549
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: know the answer, but these are things to me that

550
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: have to be at least investigated before because then otherwise

551
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: the plan is just doomed to fail. Yeah, and even

552
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: not even that specifically, can the lower body hold up

553
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: for the whole marathon? Anyway? I mean, it doesn't matter

554
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: what you ask of him, because it really I don't know. Uh,

555
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: it kind of hit me. Um when that's when that fumble,

556
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: the stepping over his head. I mean, Ben's an athletic guy.

557
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he was moving very robotically after that ball. Um,

558
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: And so that to me, because I don't believe for

559
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: a second that he didn't care or you knows, Manchlanting

560
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: going after the football, because I know that you know,

561
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: he won't quit on anything, you know, a play whatever,

562
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: And so seeing him move like that indicated to me

563
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: that that's the best he can move. You really see

564
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: a Bob to that point when it's something he's not

565
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: scripted to do, you know, like when he has to

566
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: be an athlete, when he's when it's you know, not

567
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: even necessarily you know, scrambling or throwing on the run.

568
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: He's done those things a million times. But like something

569
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: unorthodox like that play, he looks like an old man,

570
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, right, because let's not forget he's

571
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: the guy who tackled Nick Harper in the open field

572
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: and saved that playoff game. And oh five, you know

573
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: that I still say there aren't there in that At

574
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: that year, there weren't five quarterbacks in the NFL that

575
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: makes that play. And I think five is a huge overestimation. Um.

576
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: And so you know, as I said, I've seen him,

577
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: um make those kinds of athletic plays that now he doesn't,

578
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: and I believe it's because he can't. And when people

579
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: say why don't they sneak quarterback? Sneak more, go back

580
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: and watch that. That's why sure, I mean, you know,

581
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: and so um, so that's that's that's another thing. And again, um,

582
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: all of this has to be uh you know, I don't.

583
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I think that it's a very very specific, indelicate recipe.

584
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like making a chocolate soufle.

585
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Somebody bounces his foot in the kitchen and the thing falls. Um,

586
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: if you're gonna plan on the way, you're putting together

587
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: the pieces for one whatever they might be. You know,

588
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: I think all of these different things have to be

589
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: analyzed in wade. Um. And who knows, maybe Ben makes

590
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: the decision for everyone else. I don't know what's gonna happen.

591
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: I really don't. And I also don't put a lot

592
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: of weight in whatever players might or think immediately after

593
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: a game like that wild card game, wild Card round

594
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: game against the Browns, because that's just you know, I mean,

595
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you don't even want to live anymore, let alone play

596
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: football anymore. So, UM, I have no idea what it's

597
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: gonna be. But I do believe that that's the that's

598
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: the lynchpin piece. You gotta know what he wants to

599
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: do and what you want to do with him. So

600
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: if you outside of that, uh, it's it's really all speculation.

601
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: So if you're the art rooining the second, do you

602
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: put a timetable on Ben, Hey, Ben, we need a

603
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: decision by this time, or do you do you go

604
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: to them and say, hey, we're making this decision for you. Well,

605
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that's that's something that I don't I

606
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't feel even qualified to speculate one because I

607
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I don't know what they think. I mean,

608
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not qualified. You know, watching game on TV,

609
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't make me you know, a personnel

610
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: guy and understand, uh to the degree you need to

611
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: have an understanding to make a call like that on

612
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: a player like that. I mean, this isn't all due respect.

613
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: This isn't deciding whether you want to keep Jay Ron

614
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Elliot or not. Right. You know, I've always explained that

615
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: to people, Like somebody said, I said, look at he

616
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: to me, because of the position that he plays, because

617
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: of what he's meant to the franchise, he deserves the

618
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: opportunity to do this his own way, but not at

619
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: the expense of the organization. In terms of, hey, you

620
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: can't we can't wait for a decision on this until April.

621
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: You have to let us know, you have to let

622
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: us know before that. But because he's a quarterback, you

623
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: don't go to him and say, hey, hey, Ben, you're done. Um.

624
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: And somebody said, what about they did that with Troy,

625
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I'll do respect to Troy Paula

626
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Malo and what he meant to the franchise. He's not

627
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And your point the other day to Dale

628
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: was well, Troy doesn't run well anymore. He can play

629
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: his position. Well. Ben can still play the position. But

630
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: to your point, you have to design what you're doing

631
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: around his skill set as it currently stands. And that's

632
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: what we don't know. We don't know, and no one

633
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: will ever tell us. I'm sure when they put a

634
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: game plan together, what can we no longer ask Ben

635
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: to do? And that's really the answer. If it's a

636
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: long list, then the time has come. If it's you know,

637
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean I would guess. And again I'm watching it

638
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: on TV. A lot of that shocked one is because

639
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: of what Ben can't do. I would think, um, and

640
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, uh, and so you know, and then there

641
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: are so many things that branch off the bend decision,

642
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: because if you're bringing Ben back for a year, you're

643
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: gonna change the offense, it doesn't make much sense to me.

644
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm not and I'm not saying the offense doesn't need

645
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: to be changed, but I'm not doing it. I'm not

646
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: changing the offense, you know, blowing it up and in

647
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: last year, last year with a thirty nine year old quarterback,

648
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 1: I mean that that makes no sense. You're not gonna

649
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: teach him and you're not going to ask him to

650
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: learn a new offense. Well even if you and I

651
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: don't even think it would be that difficult for him

652
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: to learn it. But what about everybody else? And then

653
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, developing the rapport and you know those kinds

654
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: of things that you need between a receiver, between receivers

655
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: and a quarterback. Um, that kind of timing, you know,

656
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: you're not gonna um you know, the Vulcan mind meld

657
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff that he's able to

658
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: do with some of these guys. That all kind of

659
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: goes out the window if you're changing everything. So, UM,

660
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: I just think the ben pieces is the first piece

661
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: you gotta have. And UM, I would think that in

662
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: his exit interview, and again I'm just making this up

663
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: as I go along here, Fellas I don't know anything more.

664
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: But maybe Ben's exit interview happens in our Rooney's office

665
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: with Mike Tomlins and and and Kevin Colbert even and

666
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, Ben, what are you thinking? You know, let

667
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: him talk a little bit and listen. Uh, you have

668
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: your ideas, um about what you would like to see.

669
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: But I mean I think you you give him, um,

670
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: I would say the benefit of the doubt, but the

671
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to voice you know, his feelings and um and

672
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: the other players write those other guys, yeah, for the

673
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: most part. Um, you know you're going to tell them

674
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: what you think they can do or can't do, and

675
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: you know, moving forward how that all fits together. But

676
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: with this guy. But again, though, I don't feel you

677
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: give any player carte blanche to dictate. Um. If if,

678
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: if it's unanimous among everyone in that room except Ben,

679
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: that he can't play anymore. And I must say again

680
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm just using this as an example. Then that he can't,

681
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: then you just move on. UM. But you know, I

682
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't believe that's the case. I mean,

683
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: and that's not what Mike Tomlin said. You know, Mike

684
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: Tomlin was asked by our colleague Mike pursuit after the game.

685
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: Can Ben still play at a high level? And Mike

686
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: Tomlin said yes. So you know, whether he's saying that

687
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: just publicly or you know, he could have he could

688
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: have you know, yeah, he could have couched that answer,

689
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: but he was definitive yes. So you know, I think

690
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: we know where the head coach stands on that. But

691
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: what needs to be in place too, Yeah, you have

692
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: to help him out. You have to build your offense

693
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: and and everything that you do this offseason around his talents,

694
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: what he can do and still do well. Example, can

695
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: we get there right? Because again, UM, you know, the

696
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: the two things to me that UM seemed to be

697
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: the biggest issues with that would be UM the other

698
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: changes that are going to be forced on this team

699
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: by the cap and the fact that and that goes

700
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: along with that you really can't fix everything with one

701
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: draft class. Okay, so UM, and there's no money to

702
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: spend on free agency. Okay, So there's that. Uh. The

703
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: other thing is I just believe that if you want

704
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: to get back to UM, you know what Bill Coward

705
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: called in two thousand and four, re establishing the mindset,

706
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: he's got to be under center more and is he

707
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: physically capable? Is will his body allow that to happen? Um?

708
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the condition of his knees. UM.

709
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: But he certainly didn't look very nimble going after that

710
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: loose ball, and so you know, maybe he can do it, um,

711
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: but maybe you know, eight games into a season doing it, um,

712
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: he's he's incapacitated. I don't know. UM. Again, these are

713
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: not easy decisions, but they are significant ones. And I

714
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: just I just don't know any easy way, simple way, UM,

715
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: to find the answers to these And even if you

716
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: think you found the answers to these questions, I don't

717
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: know if they're correct. And I don't know if it's

718
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: possible to know if they're correct until you actually in

719
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: a live it. You can believe or think or hope,

720
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: but do you know, And I don't believe there's any

721
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to medical issues, there's no way

722
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: of knowing, not for sure anyway. That is Bob Labriola,

723
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: the editor of Steelers Digestion Steelers dot Com. We appreciate

724
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: Bob stopping by as he has done all year. Maybe

725
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you couple of times during the off season. Bob.

726
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it. For your weekly sessions with

727
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: us here, we're gonna we're gonna miss those. There's nothing

728
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: like Bob dropping some knowledge on us from his vast

729
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: experience of covering I just say many years, I just

730
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: vast experience. But hopefully we'll get to see you in

731
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: person a little more here soon, Bob, and get back

732
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: to uh regular coverage of of a an NFL season

733
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: and including training camp and all those good things. But

734
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: I can't wait for that. But we do appreciate you

735
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: stopping by as you've done all season. It's been fun.

736
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: I have to admit it was an interesting season. That's

737
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: you could definitely say that about it, and I will

738
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: be honest. You know, it was one where you hope

739
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: that there's a division championship, you you hope that they

740
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, um and so you know, both of

741
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: those things happened. But that that end, that was just

742
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: just brutal. Yeah it was. But we're gonna take a break.

743
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson, um Dale, Lali, you're listening to

744
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Your tunes about

745
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: Drive on Home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation

746
00:42:20,840 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: railro welcome back up Dale while here with Matt Williamson.

747
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: This will be a quick segment. Could he took Bob

748
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: way over time? But before you leave, but some good

749
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: stuff there from him and and it's gonna be interesting.

750
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: I'd love to be a fly on the wall during

751
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: those Roethlisberger discussions. You know how that all goes down? Um,

752
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean part of me might I can envision that

753
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: that conversation even without Ben, I mean Tomlin and Kevin

754
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: and offensive staff all sitting together, going, man, I can't

755
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: believe we got this much out of he can't play anymore,

756
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: or if we get a little bit of running game

757
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: we might win. I think that fixtures a lot of

758
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: the issues. I mean, I still see I see a

759
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: quarterback with thirty three touchdown passes and ten interceptions, which

760
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: again was like you know that that's you know, that's

761
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: good quarterbacking. That's that's good enough. Know they get you

762
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: said this a lot this week, Like how many times

763
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: this offseason did we say if you could get C

764
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: plus B minus level quarterbacking, this team should compete And

765
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: they did they Yeah, just yea, because you know, people

766
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: figured out that you couldn't run the football. Yeah, And

767
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: to me, that's that's problem number one. Fixing that you

768
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: fix that, and everything else kind of falls into place.

769
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know that you necessary. I do disagree

770
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: with Bob there that you can't run the football out

771
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: of the shotgun. Yeah, I didn't want to go down

772
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: that road and establish the last creamage. You are things

773
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: that you can do even if you even if you

774
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: go with the pony, you know, and and and you know,

775
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: set the quarterback up three yards in the in the

776
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: backfield and snapping the ball there the running backs still

777
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: essentially running out of an eye type formation. You know.

778
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: I think there are ways to everybody's doing that now.

779
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: Everyone's doing that now. But to Bob's point too, though,

780
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: I bet he couldn't hold up going behind center, probably

781
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: not seven step drops. And but nobody does that anymore, right,

782
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that's required. Yeah, I mean, that's just

783
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: not today's football. So I think he can fix this.

784
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: You're not, again, he goes back to you, You're not

785
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: going to see the Steelers line up with a fullback

786
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: in a running back and run the ball and at

787
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: the five times a game. It's just not gonna happen.

788
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: That we're gonna do it right. Yeah, nobody in the

789
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: NFL does that right, right, So that part doesn't really

790
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: worry me. But him holding up worries me. Yeah, but

791
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: that was a question mark coming into this season. Can

792
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: he hold up? And he did? He did, but he

793
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: went out there every snap. But again, if he if

794
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: he's not. We talked about this last offseason. Do you

795
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: want Ben Roethlisberger leading the league in past attempts as

796
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: he did in as he would have done this year

797
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: had he played the last game of the season. No, No,

798
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: that's the flaw because you can't run the football. So

799
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: to me, it all comes back to can you run

800
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: the football more effectively? I don't disagree. I mean that's

801
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: Bob's point is on that in terms of how do

802
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: we go about building what we need? We need to

803
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: know this answer from Ben or tell him our answer,

804
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: you know whatever it is that that needs to be

805
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: set number one. Maybe you don't want banner, you might,

806
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: you know different, maybe have a different styleline you're gonna

807
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: employ whatever, you know, whatever, but you have to know.

808
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: You have to know. But if you're gonna be if

809
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: you bring him back in an elway like fashion, or

810
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: if you bring in a new guy, the problem still

811
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: remains the same. To your point, you're gonna need a

812
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: running game one way or the other. If it's Rudolph,

813
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: if it's starn Old, if it's Wentz, if it's Ben.

814
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: You need a running game. You can't put it all

815
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: in the quarterback for Watson, right, so right, Yeah, you

816
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: need a running game one way or the other. You

817
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: need to, to Bob's point, establish re establish a line

818
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I don't care how you do it, but

819
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: you need to be able to run the football, at

820
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: least give the threat of running. Yeah, you can't be

821
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: the worst thing. You can't be the worst in the

822
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: league at it. You gotta make defensive play different. You

823
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: gotta be able to take advantage of lighter boxes. You

824
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: gotta check door, run whenever they're trying to take away that,

825
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, And you gotta throw deep. You know, you

826
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: gotta be able to threaten the whole field. And to me,

827
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: you know the deep stuff. I saw him throw deep

828
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: plenty last Sunday. I mean, he was driving the football

829
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: down the field. It's not like you want to worry

830
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: about the arms, Draight, Not like he can't do it, right,

831
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't know that he controls the football like he

832
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: used to. And some of the interceptions were mind boggling,

833
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, does he not see like you

834
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: used to, see the field like you used to. I

835
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: can't believe that, you know, a couple of those. I mean,

836
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: the tip balls are a problem. I'm not sure that's

837
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: gonna go away. You know, if you're if you if

838
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna stick with that short passing game. Yeah, but

839
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: if you do, and we had a long conversation about

840
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: this earlier in the year, if you're at least throwing

841
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: the ball in the field, the ball comes out with

842
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: a different trajectory, a different arc. They don't get tipped

843
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: as much. And you know, pass rushers don't just sit

844
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: there knowing they can't get home and bad passes down.

845
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how the defense is gonna play. Yeah,

846
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: it was gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

847
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to the drive here on

848
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We got up playoff games coming up

849
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: here this weekend, four of them. Uh. We get some

850
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: still some fantasy stuff to do here with that, so

851
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: we will take a look at who's in who's out

852
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: this weekend? Um, and starting maybe developing a plan for

853
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: fantasy heading into the UH the divisional round of the playoffs.

854
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: Will do that. Right after This is the Drive with

855
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 1: Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home of the Black

856
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. We're back in. It's time

857
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: for the Fantasy Football Focus today. Matt will take a

858
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: quick look here at the injury reports. What's going on

859
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: with the teams here? UM Ronald Jones for Tampa Bay

860
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: with a quad injury, did not practice on Wednesday. That

861
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: was an odd situation. Did he hearn't even warm ups

862
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: or I wasn't quite sure, quite clear what happened there,

863
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: but he didn't play at all. Well for for you

864
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: know that that's again you have a backup planet running back. Yeah,

865
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: right right, amazingly enough. Again, we thought about a million times.

866
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: If Connor's your backup plan, Okay, okay, if he's my

867
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: only plan? Oh no. Um, Denzel Ward back for Cleveland.

868
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: He's activated off the COVID list. That doesn't move the

869
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: needle though for me and what I think about what's

870
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: going to happen in that game, it's better than what

871
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: will be without him. I would think and get a

872
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: whole full week of practice to get back into shape,

873
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: which I think is big. But boy, I think that

874
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: back seven is in for a long day. Yeah, I

875
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: believe that as well. Um, in terms of some of

876
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: the other injury stuff. Um, looking here, Aaron Donald Ribs,

877
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: according to a Sean McVeigh, with his rib injury, will

878
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: be ready to go against the Packers. That's huge. They

879
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: have to have him. They have to have him, and

880
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not but he's absolutely gonna play. Um,

881
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: they're missing their center Green Bay, and you know, he

882
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: could reach some havoc. I mean, he's obviously he could

883
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: reach some havoc even if they have their center. Goffs.

884
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: The interesting one there, Golf is huge in that situation, Um,

885
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: because I just don't know what else they you know what,

886
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: what's the backup plan? If you don't, I would assume

887
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: Golf's gonna start because he was good enough to play

888
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: this past week. It looked like he was struggling a

889
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: little bit of course. Um. But what's interesting to me

890
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: is obviously golf could have played this past week and

891
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: they chose not to. You know, they went with Wolford.

892
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they think Wolford is better than golf

893
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: or golf starting jobs in jeopardy next year or anything

894
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: like that. But they seemed rather comfortable to use Wolford.

895
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: And it's a bit of a curveball. What if he's healthy,

896
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Does there a chance he starts? Yeah? I bet not.

897
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Golf Golf fully practiced yesterday. But if when

898
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: you watched him, and they even talked about it on

899
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: the Bread broadcast, you said, you know, one out of

900
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: every four or five of Golf's passes because of the

901
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: thumb issue, floats out of his hand. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

902
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: That's not good. I'm sure there's some kind of weather.

903
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna be like. But he's got

904
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: small hands too. That was one of the knocks on

905
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: him to begin with. I would think he really struggles

906
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: to control the ball. So I mean, if he starts,

907
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: could and if Wolford's healthy, could he come in and

908
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: spell him? Yeah? Could they end up using both? Are

909
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: they just gonna try to run the football because that

910
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: works against the Packers. I think that's the plan. Yeah.

911
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean when we get the fantasy stuff tomorrow, I

912
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: think Acres is appealing. Yeah, And we'll we'll do some

913
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: of the DFS stuff here in in a minute. But

914
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards Hilaire was limited at Wednesday's practice. Um, I

915
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: don't know that I rushed him back necessarily, because, yeah,

916
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: you should be able to run the ball with Levy

917
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: on bell against Cleveland's front. Would think so, and the idea.

918
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think Kansas City can score

919
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: sixty if they want. I think so too. But I

920
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: mean it's the second round playoff game. It's the time

921
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: to rest people. No, you're not. You're not resting him.

922
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: But if he's not and he's not a superstar, no,

923
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: it's I'm not rushing him back. I mean here, they

924
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: won the they won the Super Bowl last year without

925
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: superstar running backs production on the position. Uh, Taysom Hill

926
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: didn't practice on Wednesday with him. That's actually maybe a

927
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: good thing for New Orleans, you know. Less, Lettavius Murray

928
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: didn't practice with a quad injury. Um Beasley with the

929
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: knee was limited on Wednesday for I think that all

930
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: year from what I understand, Yeah, that's gonna be Yeah,

931
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: and Diggs was limited as well, but he obviously played

932
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: through that. That That was an oblique he played through it

933
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: last week, as did Beasley with his knee issue. But um,

934
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: you know that that situation with them, they're a little

935
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: banged up at that. But that doesn't necessarily I don't

936
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: think it changed the whole act a lot. John Brown

937
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: didn't a thing last week, but he dressed, he played,

938
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: played the whole game right. And Gabriel Davis is a factor,

939
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: and they use Isaiah McKenzie a fair amount. Um, they'll spread,

940
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 1: they'll they'll spread things out on you and then yeah,

941
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, run the quarterback. I think the Ravens are

942
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: decently equipped to handle that, just because they have so

943
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: many corners. But that's tough on anybody. You go empty

944
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: and Alan can be a running back without running back

945
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: in the field, that's hard to deal with. I mean,

946
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna be an interesting game to watch for from

947
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: that respect, because both teams are gonna try to do

948
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. Yeah. Absolutely, I didn't realize

949
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: this either, but Alan's numbers versus man coverage are much

950
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: better than zone and that's a pretty man heavy team.

951
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: I could see a lot of points that game period. Yeah,

952
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, Lamar was talking, Lamar Jackson talking this week,

953
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: saying he's never played in the snow before. Yeah, it

954
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: was a little startling, but then you think about he

955
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: grew up in Florida, he played in Louisville. He hasn't

956
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: been a league that long. They don't get a lot

957
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: of snow in Baltimore. No, but you better get used

958
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: to it though. He plays anesty North and hopefully he's

959
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: playing a lot of playoff games in his career. One

960
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: interesting thing I knew about him is a lot of

961
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: people gave him a hard time for his passing his

962
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: rookie year, which I understand. It's not great, It's never

963
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: gonna be great, but he admittedly struggled with the NFL

964
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: ball much more than other people do. So I mean, now,

965
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: he's obviously used to it. But you haven't heard of

966
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: frozen one. It's a little different. It's a little different. Uh.

967
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: Looking here at the DFS rankings for this weekend. According

968
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: to Rhodo World, they have Jackson is the number one quarterback. Yeah, boy,

969
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: I have a hard times. I have Patrick Mahomes number two.

970
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: I think Mahomes gonna have a smash Dad, Josh Allen three,

971
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: Tom Brady four, Aaron Rodgers five, Baker Mayfield six, Drew

972
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: Brees seven, year of golf, eight, John Wolford nine, and

973
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill ten. Yeah. Okay, like wow, interesting with ten quarterbacks.

974
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: So for I just think if you're gonna rank, you know,

975
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, those guys will all potentially play. It

976
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: takes snaps. I'm not so if you're you know, if

977
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: you're looking at a DFS situation and go, I could

978
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: I could start Taysom Hill at quarterback. Maybe he scores,

979
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: and then I can I can load up, you know,

980
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: take Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Michael Thomas, and Alvin Kamara

981
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: right right and falls the n zone twice and you're good. Yeah.

982
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's a definitely interesting something you could do.

983
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: I know that I would recommend it. But I don't

984
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: know that Rogers is set up for a big day.

985
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a difficult. Yeah. Ramsey on atoms, you know,

986
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: we have found that work on as usual here and

987
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: they were they were showing the stats since week eleven

988
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: of they put it the receiver closest to Ramsey and

989
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: the numbers were minuscule, and it was all the top guys. Okay,

990
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: and you know, all these different guys and I mean

991
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: he's the best corner league in my opinion. The toughest thing, though,

992
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: is that Rogers gets rid of the ball so quickly

993
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: and it gets there so fast that he doesn't need much. No,

994
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: he doesn't watch at all, but I think it's a

995
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: tough and uphill climb for Adam. No doubt it'll probably

996
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: be fine, but I mean not great running back. They

997
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: have Alvin Kamara number one. I guess that makes sense

998
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: cam Akers number two. I thought I was being a

999
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: little sneaky there. If they can to be lower on

1000
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: some people with J. K. Dobbins three, Nick Chubb four,

1001
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones five, Trump could do well. He could, Yeah,

1002
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: as long as they keep the game semi close. Uh

1003
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: Jones five, Kareem Hunt six. I think Hunting might end

1004
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: up playing a bunch of snaps in this one, because

1005
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in catchup mode. Devin's Singletary seven. I'm

1006
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: not a Singletary fan, but took Moss out of the equation. Gone. Yeah,

1007
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: and Alan's gonna still run the ball a lot, but

1008
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean if he gets five more carries than he

1009
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: would have and he catches a few balls, right right? Yeah? Okay, Yeah,

1010
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean I'm fine with them. Uh, Ronald Jones eight.

1011
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: I don't know the health thing. Yeah, that's a problem.

1012
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: He gets in the doghouse quick to this one block

1013
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: and then he gets that down, you know. Uh Clyde

1014
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire nine. If he plays, if he plays, if

1015
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: he dresses, I would take him over a couple of

1016
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: guys you have had him. Latavious Murray ten, Leonard four

1017
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: Nette eleven. I think I played over. Depends on It

1018
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: depends on what you It depends on what you know

1019
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: going into Saturday or end of the weekend. Jamal Williams thirteen. Yeah,

1020
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: he gets touches. I wonder if A. J. Dillon's a

1021
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: thing now because he played that one week just because

1022
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: Williams was out, but he looked good. I still think

1023
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: they like Jamal Williams and they used him in very trustworthy.

1024
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: That catches the ball. Yeah, great in protection. Uh fourteen

1025
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell, Jamal Williams wouldn't be a terrible stealer. No,

1026
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm a super cheap connor like deal fourteen Levy on

1027
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: Bell fifteen Malcolm Brown, Yeah, a wide receiver. This one

1028
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 1: goes twenty deep, which is who probably needed Tyreek Hill one. Yeah,

1029
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Stefon digs two. You think get Humphrey? Is he gonna

1030
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: get Humphrey a lot though, because when you go to

1031
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: those three and four wide receiver sets, Humphrey goes inside. Yeah,

1032
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: he often does so then maybe you're getting Peters and

1033
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: double move him. Yeah, because I think I think easy

1034
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: game from DAGs though. Yeah, that's a good group of corners.

1035
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: Davante Adams three. I mean he'd be in a vacuum.

1036
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: He's won for me any week, but that's a Ramsey stuff.

1037
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Chris Gobwin four. Is he clearly your favorite? Buck Evans

1038
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: scores like every week. Michael Thomas five. I don't trust Thomas.

1039
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: He had a good game last week. He scored his

1040
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: first touchdown of the year last week. I just don't

1041
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: consider him a Tier one guy. Maybe I will get

1042
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: next year. Well, when you look at the other the

1043
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: rest of these guys, maybe that's correct because they have

1044
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Marquise Brown six. He's come on, well, I but he's

1045
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of dabous white he is he is,

1046
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: it might not be the best game for him. Uh

1047
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: seven is Mike Evans Evans higher, I'm fighting something. I'd

1048
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: have him ahead of Marquis Brown. Yeah, Jarvis Landry eight,

1049
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna get targets, getting a targets. I don't love that. No,

1050
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever owned a in any fantasy

1051
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: or DFS or anything I've ever done. But uh, Antonio

1052
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: Brown nine. They thrown the ball. Robert Woods ten. Cops

1053
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: a little banged up, so maybe that works. Well, he's

1054
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna see Alexander Yeah eleven. How about Alan Lazard? Yeah,

1055
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: being the number two with Ramsey being the one, he

1056
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: could get a few extra targets. Cooper Cup twelve. Again,

1057
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: I hope he's he's fine, but you should do well.

1058
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: Gabriel Davis thirteen. Wow, it seems rich. I think so too.

1059
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins fourteen. Okay, he could blow up. Oh he could. Yeah,

1060
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: he's a high upside definitely. And you know again on

1061
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: Brown hasn't been mentioned yet. Yeah, well he he's not

1062
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: even he's not even on the list. Let's put it

1063
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: that way. Emmanuel Sanders fifteen. That's bad. Richard Higgins sixteen. Yeah,

1064
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley seventeen. Damn me, he gets targets. I mean

1065
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: he's not either, but but he's going to see a

1066
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: lot of Humphrey. He's gonna see a lot of Humphrey. Yeah,

1067
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: that's a bad matchup. That's a bad matchup for him.

1068
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 1: Marquez Valdez Scantling. He seems to have gained a little

1069
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: trust lately, but Lizard still the two. Yeah, nineteen is

1070
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: McCool Hardman. I don't trust that at all. Twenty is

1071
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: Deonte Harris. They like him, but I can know that

1072
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: he in a big game. I mean, yeah, I don't

1073
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: know that. I could say, oh, I'm gonna start Deonte

1074
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: Harris and hope, I hope you gets seven catches again

1075
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, I mean that might have been very

1076
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: came that came out of nowhere, right, And I know

1077
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: they like him, but he may not catch up all

1078
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: this week. Uh tight ends obviously, Kelsey one, Andrews two,

1079
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: Rob Tony in three. Yeah he should be. I mean

1080
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good matchup. He could run. I mean

1081
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: they like him, yeah, I mean I've come around on it.

1082
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to bet he scores this weekend. I

1083
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, I mean if it's a fifty fifty,

1084
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: I would say I would put a buck on. Yes. Yeah,

1085
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper four it's fine, is this so low. Yeah.

1086
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Jared Cook five. I don't trust him much either, ye,

1087
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee. Six, we're I mean, this is how bleak

1088
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: comes with uh. Seven is Gronk Wow. I think he's

1089
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna block a lot. Eight is Dawson Knox. Dawson Knox

1090
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: is a bad player. He sees the field a lot.

1091
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's super cheap and we put our

1092
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: dfs to mar think about it, just to load up

1093
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: other places. Nine is Cameron Braid. Yeah, they use them. Yeah.

1094
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: Tennis Gerald Everett. I always liked them. He's one. He's

1095
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: a free agent. I mean he could go to a

1096
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: new team and be useful, not right now. And eleven

1097
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis. I mean you're almost locked in here to

1098
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: starting one of those top three guys in fantasy. You

1099
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: might have to just start there and go for a while. Yeah,

1100
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: because it was just like or you know, yeah, because

1101
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: you're just gonna get shut out. Otherwise you're gonna be

1102
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: hoping to get two catches for twenty five yards and

1103
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: hope the guy falls in the end zone. It's yeah.

1104
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: Really defenses Packers number one one, I agree with that.

1105
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: I do too. I think the Rams are gonna play

1106
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: as slow as possible first one to twenty. If they

1107
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: can play that way. Two is the Rams. It's the

1108
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: best defense left. It's the best defense left. But you're

1109
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: not going to get the Rogers a lot. He's not

1110
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: gonna throw interceptions. He's not gonna throw interceptions. You're not

1111
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna get sacks. I mean, that's the number one scoring

1112
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: defense in the league versus number one scoring offense in

1113
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: the league. That doesn't mean number two d to me, Donald, Like, okay,

1114
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: so would you take the next couple of defenses here?

1115
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: Threes the Chiefs. I gat to the Browns credit. They've

1116
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: been putting up a lot of points and whether they're

1117
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: losing by a lot of but if you force if

1118
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: you force them into a shootout where Mayfield us to

1119
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: throw the ball thirty or forty times sacks or more? Yeah,

1120
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: ensue Yeah, yeah, okay, uh fours the Saints. That's how

1121
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: I was sitting there, to the Saints, but Tampa Zoe's

1122
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: coming around, it is, but Brady will take some sacks.

1123
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: Saints second best, and they destroyed, destroyed the Tampa Bay

1124
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: Buccaneers both times they played. And speaking Evans, Lattimore always

1125
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: gives him a hard time, and that's why he was

1126
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: ranking maybe. Yeah, I mean I think he's in his

1127
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: head or he never he never does well against the Bucks. Uh.

1128
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: Five is the Ravens defense. I mean it's a good

1129
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: d I just think there's be a ton of points.

1130
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: They just aren't many great. I don't get any of

1131
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: these options. Seven is the Bills, Um Lamorrow takes some sacks, Yeah,

1132
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: Lamaral takes some sacks, and if they can stop the run,

1133
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: put some balls in harms way too. I mean, I

1134
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: I think i'd start the Bills over the Ravens. Yeah,

1135
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: I think they should be a little higher, right, Bills

1136
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: rushed pass are reasonably well. Yeah. And eight is the Browns. Yeah,

1137
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: I think we have to put to pick the Packers

1138
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: tomorrow then, no matter what they Yeah, I mean I

1139
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: think I sent you a line up last night that

1140
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: I put together, and I tweaked it a little bit

1141
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: and tried to stack some chiefs. But I did use

1142
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: the Packers defense, even though it was the most expensive.

1143
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, again, is more of a tomorrow conversation or

1144
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: later in the week conversation. But unless it's way more

1145
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: than the others. Seven, the other seven you were just

1146
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: hoping for a couple of points. And the thing is

1147
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: in DFS you can take negative points if they get Yeah,

1148
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: you don't want to do that. Start nothing. I mean

1149
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: if you don't think that, if you don't think the

1150
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: rams are gonna break twenty points or twenty four points,

1151
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: then you're yeah, because once you get over thirty, that's

1152
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: when you start getting negative. Yeah, you go a forty

1153
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: you're taking you know, that might be our strategy to

1154
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: start with the packer dy and then work backwards. Yeah. Wow,

1155
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: those other seven are hard. It's gonna be a tough

1156
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough weekend to again. I think,

1157
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you can work out a chief stack

1158
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: that's appealing. It's appealing because the other ones aren't all that.

1159
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna stack browns. Are you're gonna stack

1160
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: bills against them? I don't love stock and packers against

1161
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: a really good You certainly don't want to stack rams

1162
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: that Ravens bills game. I think could it be fantasy goodness,

1163
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a lot of It's gonna be

1164
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks running with the Yeah, that's the problem. You

1165
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: know which one which quarterback to your start and then

1166
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's good Andrew's day. Maybe knocks because's

1167
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: a little bit cheap and worth it. I don't know.

1168
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: I got to think about that some more. Yeah, it's

1169
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna be there's no good option there, but that's gonna

1170
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: do it for the Fantasy Football Focus will come back tomorrow. Maybe, yeah,

1171
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: tomorrow we'll pick our DFS lineup and I get that

1172
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: set locked in. Uh, he has Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolli.

1173
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

1174
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on Home of the Black and

1175
01:05:36,680 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lully here

1176
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson and Matt I want you to put

1177
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: on you were GM. Let's put on your coaching hat.

1178
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: You're Mike Tomlin. All right, having these meetings with the

1179
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: potential free agent. Sit down, young man, this is you.

1180
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: So you sit down with Bud Dupree and you're saying, Bud,

1181
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: we love you, We love you very much. What's your

1182
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: favorite food. We'll make that the cafeteria meal. You can

1183
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. You know, why don't you take

1184
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: a little less and hang out with us for a

1185
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: couple more years. You really like t J. You and

1186
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: t J really you guys make a really good team.

1187
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: And boy, we stuck with you through thick and thin,

1188
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: and we saw the greatness in you when we picked

1189
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: you and helped develop it. And I would hate to

1190
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: see you go somewhere else and you know, not continue

1191
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: on that upward plan. And you know you're coaching staffs

1192
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: if you've got a lot out of you, and you

1193
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: could also mentor high Smith and he could cut your

1194
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: snaps down a little bit and maybe we would come

1195
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: out with the package. We're all three of you guys

1196
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: will be on the field once in a while. Why

1197
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: don't you give us a three million dollar discount? I'm

1198
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: looking here at the spot track is they're they're estimating

1199
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: his average salary what he's gonna make at sixteen point

1200
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: six million a year, Okay, which does not sound unrealistic

1201
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, and the guys that they compare him

1202
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: to our d Ford five years eighty five million dollars

1203
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: salary that he contracted. He saw Olivier Vernon five years

1204
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: eighty five million dollars. I'd rather Budd than Vernon, but

1205
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: Verdon's played well. Chandler Jones five years eighty two and

1206
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: a half million dollars and Darius Smith four year sixty

1207
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: six million dollars. Here's the thing, Bud Dupree and Za

1208
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: Darius Smith played college football together. Those guys are tight. Yeah,

1209
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: so if you could say to Bud, hey, Bud, we'll

1210
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: give you four years at sixty six point five. And

1211
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: Darius had his big years first year in Green Bay

1212
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: last year, just so he could go tell him, hey,

1213
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: I'll give you a little I get a little bit more.

1214
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: I got a little more than you did. Yeah, yeah,

1215
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean I would. I would open with that and

1216
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: say here's a little something for you too, I mean,

1217
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: your your buddies. A. Darius might get a kick out

1218
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: of it. You might get a kick out of letting

1219
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: him know. Yeah, there's rumors that they this is what

1220
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: I plan to talk about. But there's rumors that they

1221
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: may move on from Preston. I hope they wouldn't call

1222
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: Bud then. Yeah, I can see that happening. Is Preston

1223
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: Smith's not He's not worth it. He's not that tier. No,

1224
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: he's not. I don't know. It'll be tough to bring

1225
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: him back. And Bought had a lot of good points.

1226
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean making the numbers work is really tough, but

1227
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: I think to your point, you gotta try like crazy. Yeah,

1228
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: you gotta see what you gotta see if you can

1229
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: make it happen. Um again, a lot so much depends

1230
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: on what the cap comes in at. And that's what

1231
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: you tell Bud when you sit down on them, like, hey,

1232
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: we don't we have no control what the cap is

1233
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: going to come come in at. If it comes in

1234
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: higher than a D seventy million, yeah, give us a call.

1235
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: We'd like to get you right. Uh, Vance McDonald, you

1236
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: sit down with Vance McDonald. He's got a six and

1237
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: a half million dollar option. I think this is an

1238
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: easy one. Advance. You've been a you've been a trooper

1239
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: or force. We've done everything we wanted to you know,

1240
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: wanted from the position. Um. But you're getting up in age.

1241
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: We're tight on bucks. We're gonna let you go. And

1242
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Dale, you know we would like to

1243
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: bring you back, but it can't be at that number.

1244
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: We can give you two if that interests you. The

1245
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: door is open, and we'd love you to retire a stealer.

1246
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean he's thirty one years old, which

1247
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: is an old and tight end years. No, but he's yeah,

1248
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: but you can't pay him six and a half million dollars.

1249
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: Just can't think you can. We need that money. Sorry,

1250
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, And I don't know what you do with

1251
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: that position without him, But I can live with Rader

1252
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: and Ebon maybe or somebody else a two million dollars

1253
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: a year, whether that be McDonald or whoever. Yeah, you

1254
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: can find that guy. But you can find that guy.

1255
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: You can find that guy. Alejandro Villaneueva, Oh man, you've

1256
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: been a trooper. You're you're gonna be one of the

1257
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: my favorite guys, the coach of all time. But um

1258
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: might need to get on with your life's work, son,

1259
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys want to work for

1260
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,879
Speaker 1: you someday, and I'm sure somebody will offer your contract elsewhere.

1261
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: But speaking as your friend, I think it would be

1262
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: best for you to go, you know, start a business

1263
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: somewhere or whatever. You know, doll become Senator Villaneueva. Don't

1264
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: you go, Congressman in villenuis right. We don't want your

1265
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: blocking Carl Lawson anymore. Don't you uh take over to

1266
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: run the state of Pennsylvania. Matt Feiler, That one's tough.

1267
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: All right, twenty nine years old. I guess my conversation goes, Matt,

1268
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: what do you want to come back? Write it down

1269
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: his piece of paper, slide it over, and then I'll

1270
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: call you back whenever I go to to my people,

1271
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: because I don't know what his price doesn't people are

1272
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: people gonna want to pay him as a right tackle?

1273
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, right, missed a little time. Seem

1274
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: better a tackle than guard. See. I just think somebody's

1275
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: gonna make him an offer to be their right tackle.

1276
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to afford it, right, I

1277
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: mean it kind of reminds me of Howard when he left.

1278
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna make him an offer. Like we've made this

1279
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: mistake at times too, like when we start talking about

1280
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: free agency and then free agency opens and they're like, wow,

1281
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: that was much more that. Of course he took it,

1282
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And he could be one of those

1283
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: guys you know yeah. I mean he made three point

1284
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: to five million this year. Um, he's gonna make somebody's

1285
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: gonna give him at least five million a year. Finney

1286
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: got uh two years at nine millions something like that.

1287
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: He's a better play, Yeah, he can play tackle someone

1288
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: might give him six and a half, right, you know

1289
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 1: you can't afford that, Mike Hilton another one. Love, you

1290
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: be curious what it would take to keep you. But

1291
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna dedicate ourselves to Sutton ahead of you

1292
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: because of you need to tell them because you're a

1293
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: little guy, you know. I mean, you know it's you've

1294
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 1: done an awful lot of good stuff here. If we

1295
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: could get you back at the right price, that would

1296
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: be wonderful. I'm not just sure how that can work, right,

1297
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: I agree, some things we have to fall through the cracks,

1298
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: and you know, um yeah, yeah, I think so. Um

1299
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: let's go to Sutton. Let's stock contract. Yeah, I think

1300
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: you start that conversation. He's he's reached a point now

1301
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: where he actually on a spot track. Will list of

1302
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: market value for guys who are they think are going

1303
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: to have a market. Yeah, yeah, Cam Sutton will have

1304
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: a market. Yes, I mean maybe the average fan. Last year,

1305
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: at this time there was there would not have been

1306
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: a market for Cam Sutton. Now they're looking at the

1307
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: market for Cam Sutton being seven point two million dollars

1308
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: a year. That's a going right. I think he's worth it.

1309
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: Here are the guys that compare him to Justin Coleman

1310
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: who got four years thirty six million dollars, Tavon Young

1311
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: who've got three years twenty five point eight. Boys backs

1312
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: are expensive, Bobby McCain who got four years twenty seven.

1313
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: He's better than all these guys. Anthony Brown who got

1314
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: three years fifteen and a half. That's what you're gonna

1315
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: have to pay him. Yeah, I don't know. I mean

1316
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: I sit him down with a deal like that and say, hey,

1317
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: you want to sign it right now before you test

1318
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: the waters. Yeah, they're saying, they're saying three years twenty

1319
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: one point four million forms up from three at nineteen,

1320
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: And see if he says yes, Yeah, I mean you're

1321
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,919
Speaker 1: gonna be our nickel. You know, you might be Hayden's

1322
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: replacement as soon as this year if he starts to

1323
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: fade or um, you're gonna play a lot. Yeah, I

1324
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna play as much as you did this year,

1325
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: if not more. Gonna be the equation probably, Yeah, I

1326
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: mean that's what the going rate is. That's that's a

1327
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: tough one to tough build a swallow. But yeah, I

1328
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: mean he's a sending player. Ju Juice, Miss Schuster J June.

1329
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna make a lot of money. We're glad you

1330
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: started your career here, but you're not gonna end it here.

1331
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: Good riddens. He's not gonna say that. Yeah, it's been

1332
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: a great run. Give me a big hug, Go make

1333
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money and tear it up for your

1334
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: next become a TikTok star somewhere. Yes, that's what floats

1335
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: your boat. Do whatever makes you happy. Uh, James Conner, James,

1336
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: you're not our number one guy anymore. What I can

1337
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: offer you is a minimal deal. I would suggest you

1338
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: go test the waters. There's a lot of the running

1339
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: backs from your class have already signed. Maybe there'll be

1340
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: a team out there that will give you a starter money.

1341
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: If not, come back and we'll give you two and

1342
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: you'll play a lot. But we're probably gonna draft the

1343
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: guy really high that we hope will be the one. See.

1344
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: I would I would tell him. I wouldn't tell him

1345
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: that he's not the starter necessary, but I would say, hey, James,

1346
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: we like you. We like what you do when you're

1347
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: on the field. Um, when you're on the field, Um,

1348
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: we know that you know injuries or injuries. Uh, We're

1349
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna add another high profile running back to the room,

1350
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: and we want you to share carries with that guy.

1351
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: And you know, we value you in that respect. We think,

1352
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, we think you can be very successful if

1353
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: we limit your touches to a hundred fifty a year

1354
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: and on a two year deal. Yeah, we'll give you,

1355
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, give give us a chance. You know, we'll

1356
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: give you, you know, two years, a four million or

1357
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: something like that. We know it's probably not what you want.

1358
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: But you made seven dollars this year. Yeah, I mean,

1359
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: it's a bumps. You're gonna get a bump, but it's

1360
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: not gonna be a big bump. It's not gonna be

1361
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be six million dollars that you know.

1362
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: Look here at his market value. It's not going to

1363
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: be you. You know, if somebody makes you a crazy

1364
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: offer and want you to be their starter, have at it.

1365
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: I just don't know who would do that. Here's his

1366
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: here's his according to spot track, five point four million

1367
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: dollar average salary. Nobody's giving him that with the Falcons

1368
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: or the Dolphins or someone like that. Here's a problem

1369
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: the guys that they compare him to, Tevin Coleman, who

1370
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: got two years eight point five Now he's been hurt

1371
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: that Kareem Hunt two years twelve million. Much better player. Yeah,

1372
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon was a much better pity sign al, Right,

1373
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 1: Giovanni Bernard got two years nine point seven million from

1374
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: the Bengals. That's a bad contract and he can't Yeah,

1375
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna get I'm sorry. Is a spot player, right,

1376
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he's a much different style than Connor. Yeah.

1377
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: I don't think those are very good comparables. No, I

1378
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: don't think so good. But I don't think that's a

1379
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: good Any of those are good comparables. Kevin Coleman, because

1380
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: there were some questions about him. But yeah, but they

1381
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: gave him too much money. Yeah, they overpaid for him

1382
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: from a guy who had been a part time player.

1383
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how many teams need to back five and

1384
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: if they deep one, they'll just there's four starters in

1385
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: the draft or yeah, exactly, uh one that needs to back. Yeah,

1386
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: let's see here, who else? Zack Banner? Zack, how you

1387
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: feeling to get back to working out? And we got

1388
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: a deal here for you? Um, really good chance you're

1389
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: gonna be one of our starters next week or next year,

1390
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a You're gonna get a chance to compete.

1391
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna compete in both sides are available. Al's not

1392
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: coming back. I don't know the filers coming back. We

1393
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: would like to add some youth, but we know what

1394
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: you can do, and we've really been excited with what

1395
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: you've done in your Steeler unit. Came into you came

1396
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: into camp last year. It was great. We were ready

1397
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: to start you from the bat um. We're not gonna

1398
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: pay you superstar starter money. You know. I don't know

1399
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: what that number would be for him, but if you

1400
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: want to see one year deal, he signed a one

1401
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: year deal this year for one point seven five million,

1402
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: it has to be more than that though three So yeah,

1403
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can get him, give you more

1404
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: now than then we'll give you a good question. Two

1405
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: years of the same same contract you after corner two years,

1406
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: four million, if we take it. I would heartbeat if

1407
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: oo Dealer, he's you know, he's twenty seven years old,

1408
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: play both sides. I mean I would do that in

1409
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: Harpy with Steelers, I would if I'm him, I would

1410
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: ask for like six, but you've got no tape. You

1411
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: got no tap I mean, I don't know that other

1412
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: teams will give it to You've got You've got you know,

1413
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: thirty five snaps of tape, game tape out there. There

1414
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: was no preseason. You got hurting the opener, like you

1415
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: assigned another If you're him, do you assigned another one

1416
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: year deal? And you know, think your career was trending? Yes,

1417
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: because if like if chokes at the open market right now,

1418
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: he'd get six seven, eight, right, you know what I mean.

1419
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: But he's got a full full season of starts. I mean,

1420
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: like a Banner could have played a full year at

1421
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: chukess level and maybe it's even ben better. Maybe I

1422
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: would sign a one year deal at two two and

1423
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: a half trying to make eight next year, because that's

1424
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: not that for just but to stay healthy and start right. Yeah,

1425
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's the maybe some kind of

1426
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: option year next year. I think you can get him.

1427
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: Maybe you sign him to advance McDonald type. You're we'll

1428
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 1: sign you to a one year deal with two year

1429
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: deal worth you know, two million this year and we'll

1430
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: bump that the five next year. If you're you know,

1431
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: and your draft to tackle high and if he looks

1432
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 1: like a star, maybe you move on from Banner and

1433
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: him and Chooks as your starter. It feasible. Yeah, last

1434
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: guy thinks number be bigger, So that's kind of intriguing.

1435
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: Last guy is Tyson and Lulu made two point eight

1436
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: seven five this year. I think that's a short conversation. Yeah,

1437
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 1: you're a Steeler Son, you know, you're exactly You took

1438
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: that nose position and you've done everything we've asked you

1439
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: to do, yeah and better, And you know we we'd

1440
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: really like to limit your snaps, all three of you guys.

1441
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: We'd love to find a fourth guy to rotate in,

1442
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: maybe a younger dude. Um, you'd be a great mentor.

1443
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: In the meantime, you're playing at a really high level.

1444
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: We don't want to we don't want to break up

1445
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: that front. Let's come on back. Yeah, Yeah, I mean

1446
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: I think he'd be open to that. So I think

1447
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: there's some things that they can do here without. You know,

1448
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: Bud's the one that will break the bank. The rest

1449
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: of it I think you can do with a little

1450
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: bit of Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of

1451
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: those guys are real feasible. Yeah, I mean the ones

1452
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned yesterday, Sutton Band or a Lululu. That's where

1453
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: I start. I mean after the Betton converse and if

1454
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, if if if Connor gets money else for

1455
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: so Ba, you go find another veteran guy. WI. Somebody

1456
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: will somebody will be somebody that's in the same vein

1457
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: that's played Stembody on mark Ingramer. You know, you find

1458
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: somebody cheap somebody, Yeah, d one, he is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale, Lali. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: be back to finish up the show right after this

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Speaker 1: your tunes about Drive on Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale. I'll here

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Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson and Matt Um. I'm looking here at

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Speaker 1: the Steelers cap situation on spot track and with the

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Speaker 1: cap at a hundred and seventy they're they're estimating like

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Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy six million. Uh, the Steelers will

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Speaker 1: be thirteen point nine million over the cap at that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not that sounds terrible, like how can

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Speaker 1: you sign any these people you just talked about? But

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Speaker 1: that that includes having Vance McDonald on the roster. Um

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Speaker 1: you know, if you don't do that, you're gonna save

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Speaker 1: five million dollars in cap space. Yeah. If you know,

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Speaker 1: if if Pouncy retires and you're you know, you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: um taking eight million dollars off there, pretty close to

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Speaker 1: even just with those two Yeah, just those two moves. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, then you know, then things start to get

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Speaker 1: interesting after that. Um. You know we talked when we

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Speaker 1: talk with Bob earlier. Um, you know you mentioned Roethlisberg.

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Speaker 1: Then one thing we didn't talk about. There's adding a

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Speaker 1: year or two to his contract to help you down

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Speaker 1: this year. I mean that sounds scary, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean needs to play next year. Right. What you do

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Speaker 1: is you you you add salary. You just go to Ben.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really a phantom contract. Say Ben, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: give you a twenty five million dollar contract extension for

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Speaker 1: next year, but it's gonna be all salary. That allows

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Speaker 1: us to spread the bonus money over these next two seasons.

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Speaker 1: And the bonus money is twelve and a half million

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Speaker 1: dollars in signing bonus. There's nine point seven five million

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Speaker 1: in restructure bonus. That's where the big total comes out

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Speaker 1: with this. And you've got a fifteen million dollar roster bonus. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you can spread those over two years right when

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Speaker 1: the cap goes back up and six point two five

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Speaker 1: get you I mean, you're you're saving you know, if

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Speaker 1: you could savor and ten million dollars by doing that,

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't guarantee that he's, you know, the starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback two years from now or right if he falls

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Speaker 1: off but he's under contract. Yeah right, you know if

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Speaker 1: he get his money. Yeah, that sounds feasible. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, he could retire in nineteen that shows up

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Speaker 1: off the board, you know, right, he doesn't one way

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Speaker 1: or the other. You know, you're gonna save things. You

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Speaker 1: can do either we either you figure you've structured So okay,

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Speaker 1: if he comes he comes back, we're gonna save ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars this year. He doesn't. If he doesn't, then

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Speaker 1: we save nineteen million dollars. I'd have to find a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And then you have to find another quarterback, which is

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Speaker 1: the part of the problem with letting him go. Do

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Speaker 1: you really think Mason Rudolph your guy? Well, then then

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Speaker 1: you gotta pay for somebody else to Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I've heard some people say, nineteen million dollars will

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Speaker 1: get your Teddy Bridgewater, which basically it has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with Teddy Bridgewater. That does you no good, you know,

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Speaker 1: or you're trading up in the first round. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you go in and think Mason's your

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Speaker 1: starter no matter what. Yeah, you gotta go get him competition,

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Speaker 1: and the competition is going to cost you money and

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Speaker 1: or picks if it's Arnold Trade or something something along

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Speaker 1: those lines. Yeah. Um, I mean at worst, and people

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Speaker 1: are not gonna like to hear this at all, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, worst case scenario, I would go after a

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Speaker 1: Brissette or Winston, but they're gonna You're gonna, I mean,

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Speaker 1: for set, you're potentially gonna get into a bidding war

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Speaker 1: with the Patriots. I think you Yeah. I mean I

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Speaker 1: don't have anybody to look at those two as starters.

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Speaker 1: And you know, see, I think Belichick will with Brissette

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe given what they started this year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in Rivers for a year, or cam Newton,

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Speaker 1: any of that. I don't think starts anything this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Jamis Winston. It's risky. He couldn't. He couldn't,

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't play him over Taysom Hill this year? What's

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Speaker 1: that tell you? I know, I'm just one of the

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Speaker 1: options you have. I don't want the I don't want

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Speaker 1: the twenty million. I don't want the fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: million Bridgewater guy, though I have nothing to do with. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't make you any better. That just

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Speaker 1: spends your wheels. Yeah, I agree. Um, you mentioned Joe Hayden.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people were speculating about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would save some money. He is a fifteen and

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Speaker 1: a half million dollar cap hit next year. But if

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Speaker 1: you if if Mike Hilton and Cam Sutton leave, now

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Speaker 1: you've completely blown up even one leaves. Yeah, suggestion is

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Speaker 1: maybe you could cut hate. I mean I don't think

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Speaker 1: the defense could withstand it. I mean even Justin Lane

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Speaker 1: doesn't look ready. I mean if he looked like a stud,

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Speaker 1: then you're doing it. And now you're back in and

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Speaker 1: now you have to draft a cornerback and you know

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Speaker 1: what it means. You're not taking running back in a

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Speaker 1: second right the first round. All you're doing is all

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Speaker 1: you're doing is is you're you're you're putting fingers in

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Speaker 1: the dike and the springing holes everywhere else. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: reshuffling chairs on the Titanic. Um, I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: if you think he's declining, well then you have to

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Speaker 1: have that conversation. But I don't think he is not.

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Speaker 1: From what I've seen this year, he's not young. He's

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Speaker 1: not young, and so I think you ride that out

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Speaker 1: with him and you stick with it in another year. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think there's other ways that you can do this.

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Speaker 1: Um just looking here, Uh, you know, maybe you could

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Speaker 1: do it some kind of restructure on Cam Haywards. But

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Speaker 1: right now Cam Hayward is again that contract. His base

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Speaker 1: salaries only four and a half million dollars next year

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Speaker 1: because they kind of did this already with him. He's

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Speaker 1: got a six million dollar roster bonus, which you know

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Speaker 1: that that kicks that number up, and his signing bonus

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Speaker 1: counts to four four million dollars. So if you if

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Speaker 1: you reduce that that base salary this year, now that

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Speaker 1: that number goes up in future years, risky that it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna save you enough money this year because

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Speaker 1: that base salaries only four and a half million dollars

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Speaker 1: to make that worthwhile considering his age. How about like

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Speaker 1: at the Castro you see, they've already restructured him. Uh

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Speaker 1: so he's got a he's already got a five point

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Speaker 1: five million dollar of his salary from next year is

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Speaker 1: part of the restructure. His his base salaries only eight

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Speaker 1: point seven five but he's got a five and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollar structure bonus in there's obviously Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know who to it. I'm just thinking anyone else

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Speaker 1: because he's got he's got three point three million dollars

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Speaker 1: in restructured bonus. I mean, they've restructured a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys, and they don't know as many go to

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Speaker 1: guys to restructure. Could your restructure Hayden Nelson? Hayden's already restructured.

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Speaker 1: Nelson's already restructured. I mean again, you're just kicking it down.

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Speaker 1: Cut Vince Williams, Well, now you're saving uh, basically four

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Speaker 1: million dollars on the cap. Because I think that's a consideration.

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Speaker 1: It's a consideration. But is it you know, is somebody

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Speaker 1: on the roster ready to replace him? Do you think

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Speaker 1: Splaine is that guy? Do you draft one? Then? Potentially,

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Speaker 1: I mean, could you get Williamson for two million and

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Speaker 1: cut Vince for four and say no, not even only

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Speaker 1: saved two. I don't know if that's worth doing it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, if you think Splaine can

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Speaker 1: be Vince Williams and Williams are basically the same, which

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're far off. If you think that

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Speaker 1: that's Robert Splaine is Vince Williams. Now you can do

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Speaker 1: that right and throw a fourth rounder in the manage

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Speaker 1: and draft somebody to do that. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can count on Gilbert or Allan anymore, certainly

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Speaker 1: not Allen noh and Gilbert's you know, gotten hurt the

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Speaker 1: last two years. I would consider cutting Williams because I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Williams or Williamson would get picked up

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Speaker 1: for a while. You know, you may be a month before,

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Speaker 1: it might be July and you call those guys up

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Speaker 1: and say you want to sign a one year deal

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Speaker 1: for a million and come back and run it back,

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Speaker 1: you know, and just for insurance. Yeah, I would consider

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Speaker 1: that for him. Um, outside of those guys, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the roster is really kind of top heavy right now.

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01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: It's a little scary because you've got you got Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: with the with the forty one point five million dollar

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Speaker 1: cap hit. You've got Hayden with a fifteen point five

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Speaker 1: seven five, you've got to it with a fourteen point nine.

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Speaker 1: You've got Hayward at fourteen point five five, You've got

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Speaker 1: Nelson at fourteen point four. You've got de Castro at

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Speaker 1: fourteen point essentially for a team point three. And then

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Speaker 1: what is going to come in with that rookie deal

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Speaker 1: at ten million? Ebron is is eight and a half

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Speaker 1: million next year. UM, I'm not cutting Debron either. That

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Speaker 1: saves you six million dollars. That's yeah, you can't cut

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Speaker 1: him in vance. You can't. Yeah, you can't get rid

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Speaker 1: of them both. Um, one or it's one or the other.

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Speaker 1: And if I had my you know choice, you take

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Speaker 1: the guy who's the better receiver. Yeah, I'm sure it

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01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: doesn't do you anything. But can you extend Boswell? They

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Speaker 1: just did that. Um, he's making four point seven. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to keep him forever. I mean, if you kick

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Speaker 1: the can down the road with him, would that be

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01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: He's gotta he's got a three million dollar salary, so

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Speaker 1: you can you can save a little bit there, you

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Speaker 1: can save two. Yeah, something to consider. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's worth considering their team right now is

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01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: a little scary. Yeah, I mean, and they built this

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Speaker 1: this reason because everybody when when they when they were

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Speaker 1: looking down the road, nobody saw COVID. Don't know, we

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Speaker 1: talk over during it, and so you know, you thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the CAP's gonna go up to two d one, we'll

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Speaker 1: have all come, you know, we'll have cap space. And

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Speaker 1: then COVID hit the combine when the nobody nobody was talking,

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Speaker 1: COVID S C B A was the big talk. Then.

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Speaker 1: I bet if you asked Omar and you know cat people,

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Speaker 1: they were said, oh, the cap will be two fifteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were here in anywhere to thirty, you know, and

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01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: betting money is coming in. I mean, which makes me

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01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: think maybe it still will, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like if the cap goes off, all of these problems

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01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: go away. Right now, they're on the they're on the

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Speaker 1: books with the guys that they have from their top

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Speaker 1: fifty one million dollars. So if it comes in and

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Speaker 1: a hundred nine, they're okay, they're fine. Yeah, I mean

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01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna make they gotta make a few moves, but okay,

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01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 1: so you don't you don't pick up McDonald's option. Now

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01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: you're now you're under the cap, and that goes to something,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, Um, I still think it's a really

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Speaker 1: good chance. It's a two hun kradish. Maybe it's just

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01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: wishful thinking by me, but it just seems there's so

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Speaker 1: much money that this lead generates if one year out

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Speaker 1: of fifty is a little down. The other thing about it, too,

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Speaker 1: is they're gonna have six million dollars and roll over

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Speaker 1: cap space from this year, so that's gonna get factored

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Speaker 1: in as well. There's there's a lot of stuff here,

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Speaker 1: and they get the draft picks signed to them, they

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Speaker 1: have the first one pick that you know, they have

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01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: a good, big draft class. Possibly Yeah, So I mean

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01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: those guys are cheap. Those guys are cheap. So there's

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01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, some of these lower contracts are gonna come

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01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: off the books that you know, maybe, I mean, you're

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01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: getting your chooks, a core force, a starting tackle you

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01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: got in for less than a million. He's you know,

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01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: if Justin Lane turns out to be you know, if

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01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: you do decide that you're moving on from Haydon when

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01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: justin Justin Lane cost you a million dollars, Yeah, I

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01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 1: wish we were more confident in him. You know, Benny

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01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Snell next year cost you a million dollars? Can you

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01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: better spend that money somewhere else? Maybe he's gone. What's

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01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Samuels cost? Uh, he's called could be million right there? Um,

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01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: you know Kevin Dotson is nand against those those are

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01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: those are good things are going. You know you need

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01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: to do You need some of these guys to be hits.

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01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: You need them to be players. Um. And it looks

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01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: like a good draft class. I mean so far obviously,

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01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 1: but they need another one. Yeah. Interesting, This would be

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01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: a weird offseason, but that obviously the Bend decision and

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01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: the cap number are the two headlines. Yeah, and we'll

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01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: see how this goes. But certainly worth It's gonna be

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01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: an interesting offseason, There's no doubt about that. And we'll

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01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: see where this all goes. But folks, they're better at

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01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 1: this than Dale and I are. Oh they Yeah, they

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01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: have a much better idea of what they they haven't

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01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 1: played in place. This isn't taking them by surprise. No, Well, man,

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01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 1: we just finished the season. We gotta do this. I've

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01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: been talking about this stuff all year long. It's all

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01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: they've been doing, right, yeah, and they've COVID's been around

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01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: for a while now. I mean, that was a curve

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01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: ball that the leagues out of the deal with. But

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01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: now they they're gonna adjust to it. Yeah, they'll they'll

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01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: figure it out. That's what they get paid to do,

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01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: and they're they're paid handsomely to do it. So, um,

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01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: one last thing here, we heard the the Kevin Colbert

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01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: rumors again heat it up today. That's not happening, folks.

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01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: I can't. He's under contract with the Steelers through the draft. Uh.

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01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: The Allions have not asked for and nor would they

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01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: get permission to talk to him at this point. And

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01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 1: if they did, as as the report said, make him

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01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: an offer, that would be tampering. Yeah, he can't do that.

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01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not speaking for him, but I don't

1707
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: know why he'd be interested in going from here to there.

1708
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,560
Speaker 1: This is home, his sons on the staff. You know,

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01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: that's a disaster there. I supposedly he was considering retirement

1710
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: a year ago or at least you know, there's a

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01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: reason he's going year a year. Do you want to

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01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: go to Detroit and try that? And mass I don't

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01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: know either, but I know that's not happening. So anyways,

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Speaker 1: I know what is happening, and that's the end of

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Speaker 1: our show. He is Matt Williamson. Uh, appreciate his time.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time with Bob Labbruary Aldo stopping by

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01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: as he's done all season long, Force on Wednesdays. Appreciate

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01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: that Jacob's efforts here keeping us on the air, and

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01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: we appreciate you listening to this edition of The Drive

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. I'm Dale Lally. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow.