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Speaker 2: joining us so one of the topics of the week

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Speaker 2: has been the tanking in the NBA. So I think

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Speaker 2: sometimes you have to take a telescope and flip it.

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Speaker 2: I am pro tanking because here's what we both would

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Speaker 2: agree on. What's happening in America. There's a lot more options.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of streaming services, there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: watch tiktoks and platforms. We're at a distracted nation and

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Speaker 2: so what I'm about to say, everybody knows over the

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Speaker 2: last ten years events do really well. Baseball found this

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Speaker 2: out when they started doing, you know, baseball games in

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Speaker 2: a cornfield, Baseball games in Europe, home run derby World

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Speaker 2: Series actually do really well. It's that minutia. It's the

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Speaker 2: regular season that hockey, NBA and baseball can struggle. That's

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Speaker 2: why I believe dynasties. I believe the opposite of what

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Speaker 2: Adam Silver does. Football doesn't matter, College and pro football

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Speaker 2: don't matter. It's once a week, World Cup doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: every four years, Olympics don't matter. But in Monday through

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Speaker 2: Friday sports long regular season. Now, the David Stern approach

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Speaker 2: works better because a distracted nation isn't tuning in parody

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Speaker 2: they're not going to tune in parody, so I want

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Speaker 2: that's my first take. My second take is what makes

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Speaker 2: the NFL great is Mike Rabel and the Patriots can

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Speaker 2: spend two hundred and seventy million and go from unwatchable

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Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. Now, they got some breaks along

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Speaker 2: the way, and they weren't as good as Seattle. You

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Speaker 2: can't do that in the NBA. I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: with the Bulls, can't you can't trade people. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if a franchise is like, listen, we want to get

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Speaker 2: rid of an aging star, and the bull are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: love to, but they're young.

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Speaker 1: They don't they'd have to. They wouldn't know how.

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Speaker 2: To cobble together enough players or bring in a third

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Speaker 2: Way to go from bad to good is the Spurs.

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Speaker 2: You tank and get Stefan Castle, You tank and get Wemby.

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Speaker 2: Then you make another because they're very inexpensive for the

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Speaker 2: your you know, you're a darn fox or you and

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Speaker 2: we go from like twenty four wins to thirty eight

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Speaker 2: can solve tanking outside of taking away draft picks, which

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Speaker 2: in the next year, how they've been awful for three years.

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Speaker 2: So I guess my take is dynasties. We could start

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Speaker 2: with either one. Dynasties actually make much more sense now

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Speaker 2: And I'm okay with tanking if the rules currently disallow

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Speaker 1: Do that now. Okay, So as always there, there's there's

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Speaker 1: They are sitting players in the fourth quarter of games.

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Speaker 2: But I think the Utah fans, who almost have a

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Speaker 2: So you can play the young guys, compete as much

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Speaker 2: Utah has been bad for several years. What's another twelve

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Speaker 1: the sport. They love hoopin'. They're still great players, competitive

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Speaker 1: it less exciting, yes, because I like to see them

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Speaker 1: and then that has led to you've got to defend

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you and I agree. I said this last week.

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Speaker 2: So I think, I don't know if I said this

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Speaker 2: I just I'm watching right now a great documentary. I'm

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Speaker 2: Apparently the ABA, I didn't know this, had a huge

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Speaker 2: it's hockey without the helmets. It's just Haymakers guys laying

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Speaker 2: right unless you were a diehard. Basketball was the cool sport.

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Speaker 2: It was the Afros, it was the dunking. That's why

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Speaker 2: the ABA became a threat to the NBA. The NBA

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Speaker 2: that was rigid. There was limitations sadly on how many

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is baseball made these changes, and

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Speaker 2: That's the dirty little secret this business. But I think

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, in twenty years maybe since the Florida

431
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Speaker 2: Gators won back to back. Remember they had Corey Brewer,

432
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Speaker 2: Yo Kim Noah Jojok. That was a really good team

433
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: and then we went out. How many years it was

434
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Speaker 2: until the Yukon Championship. You're like, this isn't this isn't great,

435
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: But that Yukon team one, and I'm like, shit, there's

436
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Speaker 2: seven NBA guys they're like playing. They're long, I mean

437
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: they got they got like the Saban Alabama teams. You're like,

438
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: they have sixteen NFL guys playing the Yukon Team's like

439
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: that's when I went, Okay, this the transfer portal and

440
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: all this stuff we're starting to see now, like this

441
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: is really like it was when I used to watch

442
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: Latner and Bobby Hurley and Grant Hill. You're like, there's

443
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Speaker 2: like four NBA guys on this team and two guys

444
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: off the bench will be NBA guys next year. So

445
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Speaker 2: I think you're I think it works with you. The No,

446
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: you don't get a top four pick, but picks five

447
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: through fourteen are going to be starters in the NBA. Now,

448
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily, but we had drafts where it was

449
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Speaker 2: Anthony Bennett was the number one pick. I mean, we

450
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Speaker 2: had the Victor Oladipo draft. You're like, I'm not sure

451
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: there's a guy in like three out of four drafts.

452
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Speaker 2: You're like, this is just nobody here.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I could, I completely agree, And so I

454
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Speaker 1: just I again, I think that there's just I think

455
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Speaker 1: that that's one thing I think, Uh, the pick protections

456
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Speaker 1: on trades are little this you could trade a first

457
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Speaker 1: round pick, but it's top twenty protected. It's it's like

458
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Speaker 1: shrink that way down. Like because right now, Utah they

459
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Speaker 1: the reason that they need to tank so aggressively is

460
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Speaker 1: because if they pick outside of the top eight, it

461
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Speaker 1: goes to Oklahoma City, like Sam Presty would get Sam

462
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Speaker 1: Presty could get the ninth pick in this draft. Like

463
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Speaker 1: so like like you tell us, like we need the pick,

464
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Speaker 1: but also like the go to the league. We can't

465
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Speaker 1: give Sam Press the another top ten you know, so

466
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Speaker 1: like so like, I just I just think that those

467
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Speaker 1: types of things, uh, the league needs to do. They

468
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Speaker 1: they they they need to do it. And I think

469
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Speaker 1: I think overall the products will improve. But again, to me,

470
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Speaker 1: the biggest one is still style of play and figuring

471
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Speaker 1: out Like and and Katie hates when people talk about

472
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Speaker 1: this because he thinks that people are doing it from

473
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Speaker 1: a place of just looking for something to bitch about.

474
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Speaker 1: I honestly think that these guys have just gotten too good.

475
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Speaker 1: They're they're they're too good at hitting twenty three footers

476
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Speaker 1: like the whole league. Can shoot thirty five percent, like

477
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Speaker 1: the whole league. Yeah, I like Kevin Durant shooting threes.

478
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Speaker 1: I don't like Ant shooting them. Correct, I like Queen

479
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Speaker 1: shooting them. I don't like Ant shooting.

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Speaker 2: There are players who are catch and shoot guys. Clay

481
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Speaker 2: and kd are built for it. But when Russell Westbrook

482
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Speaker 2: decides I need to take five, that's bad television. Correct,

483
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Speaker 2: It's exactly.

484
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Speaker 1: And like again back in the day, And it's not

485
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Speaker 1: that it's not that you go. You put on a

486
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Speaker 1: game from the nineties when I'm a child, and I

487
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Speaker 1: got Michael Jordan's jersey on my wall, like it it is.

488
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Speaker 1: They're not running as hard, they are not as fast,

489
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Speaker 1: like it is not. But they had one guy who

490
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Speaker 1: would shoot threes. Steve Kurr, you're the three point shooter.

491
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Speaker 1: John Paxson, You're the three point shooter. Now everyone does it,

492
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Speaker 1: and so it's just the game is you got to

493
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Speaker 1: you gotta evolve. You got to evolve with it with

494
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Speaker 1: the caliber of your athletes.

495
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Speaker 2: So I thought this was and listen, everybody's banging on

496
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Speaker 2: the All Star weekend. It's they're just you know, it's

497
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Speaker 2: like this. The truth is the Pro Bowl was always

498
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Speaker 2: dumb because, like Steve Young says, he never got hit

499
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Speaker 2: harder than the Pro Bowl because the old lineman didn't

500
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Speaker 2: want to block.

501
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Speaker 1: Like it was dumb.

502
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Speaker 2: The Baseball Star Game was cool. Then there's Inner League

503
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Speaker 2: play it's not as cool. I think the truth of

504
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: the matter with the NBA guys is they make so

505
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Speaker 2: much money now they just don't want to play the

506
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Speaker 2: game munch and I get it. I don't want to

507
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Speaker 2: beat up on the NBA guys. We can it's it's

508
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: I like the sport, I really. I mean, I'm watching

509
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Speaker 2: an ABA documentary and I think it's thrilling. I think

510
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Speaker 2: it's fantastic. The Lebron topic is interesting because I said

511
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: it last week. Is I like my movies. I don't

512
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: want my actors to and like Marlon Brando or my

513
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: musicians and like Elvis, I don't want to see a

514
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: chem in a Raptor's jersey. I don't like that. And

515
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: I do think the last great sports documentary never done

516
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Speaker 2: is a thirty for thirty on Michael Jordan's days with

517
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Speaker 2: the Wizards, and I just don't think you can get

518
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Speaker 2: the video because MJ has some connection to the league

519
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: and you can't get the video. But it was like

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Speaker 2: players hated him. I went and watched them twice. It's

521
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Speaker 2: the last thirty for thirty. If you got guys to talk,

522
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: it would be fantastic. The Jordan Wizard's mess. But I

523
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Speaker 2: was thinking about this when I was driving home the

524
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Speaker 2: other day, because I said, I like Lebron, this would

525
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Speaker 2: be so great if you just said I'm out in

526
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Speaker 2: your Like, oh my god. He ended like Brady. You're

527
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Speaker 2: like Brady was still like a top seven quarterback. You're

528
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Speaker 2: like Britty could have won if he had the right roster.

529
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Speaker 2: He could have probably gotten to a conference championship, maybe

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Speaker 2: a super Bowl. And Lebron could too, except for now

531
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: he's so expensive, and now Luke is expensive. But I

532
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: was thinking Michael Jordan's Wizard's years did not ding to

533
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Speaker 2: the enth degree. Michael Jordan he is as big now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he hasn't played in thirty years. And my

535
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Speaker 2: teake is is Lebron gonna say no to fifty million

536
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: dollars or whatever he makes a year. You get to

537
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: a point, like people always say, broadcasters stay on too long.

538
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: If I was Dan rather making blankety blank or Tom Broca,

539
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: I do it until my teeth fell out. It's easy.

540
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: You're reading a prompter. They don't make you travel as

541
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: much when you're old. The money's amazing and it gives

542
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: you something to do. And my wife's gonna not gonna

543
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: let me hang around or old. They should be born,

544
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, like get away from me. I got my friends.

545
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Speaker 2: So I look at Lebron and I think, what if

546
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Speaker 2: Lebron Pray played four years his last year we averaged thirteen,

547
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: is it the worst thing in the world.

548
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Speaker 1: No, of course not. I mean we yeah, like if

549
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Speaker 1: he's going to do fifty million a year, Like at

550
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Speaker 1: some point there's maybe a bad return on investment for

551
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Speaker 1: a team in terms of like what you get on

552
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: the court, but not what you get in terms of jerseys,

553
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: attendance and all of it. Because he's he's box office man.

554
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: He is by and he and Lebron plays.

555
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Speaker 2: I went to the legitimate industry best player on the

556
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Speaker 2: floor for fifteen minutes by.

557
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Speaker 1: Far, absolutely, absolutely, and like and people would want to

558
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Speaker 1: pay to see it, like people out here in New

559
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: York when they were playing the Knicks and the nets

560
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: back to back. It was like, hey, I haven't taken

561
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Speaker 1: my kid to see Lebron. Like it was like the

562
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: talk of the office, and like multiple people went, hey,

563
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Speaker 1: they got it. We can still get our kids, Like

564
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Speaker 1: my kid has seen Lebron. He's six. Like it's unbelievable

565
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: when you think about just like the range of years

566
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Speaker 1: that you know, you've been able to, like the generations

567
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: that have been able to see this guy. What I

568
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: just am. I don't know what Lebron is going to do. Obviously,

569
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Speaker 1: I have no real connection into his camp in any way,

570
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: shape or form. I just will be floored if he

571
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Speaker 1: just ups and retires, Like if he just says I'm done.

572
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Speaker 1: He it's I think he will want the farewell tour

573
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Speaker 1: like every city people talking about it. He's a he

574
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Speaker 1: loves the attention. He's a showman. I don't I don't

575
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: judge him for it, So I I don't. I don't

576
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Speaker 1: know if he's gonna give us four more years of it,

577
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Speaker 1: even though he clearly physically could. But I don't think.

578
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Speaker 1: You know, he was asked at the All Star Press

579
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Speaker 1: conference today again we're recording this on a Sunday, you know,

580
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Speaker 1: like do you are you closer to knowing yet? And

581
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: he was like, when I know, you'll know right, we'll see.

582
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna say, I think he's gonna go

583
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Speaker 1: to Cleveland end and end there. I think I think

584
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Speaker 1: he's gonna go play for the Cavs next year and

585
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: and that, and that'll be the sign off that he'll he'll, he'll, he'll,

586
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Speaker 1: he'll end where it started. He's a so much of

587
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Speaker 1: this has been about. It feels like he's almost filming

588
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: a documentary, like like the Bronni stuff we've talked about,

589
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: like felt like a five to ten minute portion of

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Speaker 1: the lebron doc. And if he ends in Cleveland, I

591
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: think it would be pretty cinematic. By the way, I

592
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Speaker 1: am strongly.

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Speaker 2: Recommending you watch the Amazon Prime doc in the ABA there.

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Speaker 1: I'll watch it. I'll watch it.

595
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm old and I knew about half of it.

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Speaker 1: When you see that, yeah, you know, I I absolute,

597
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Speaker 1: I'll eat it up, absolutely.

598
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: Because there's just a lot of things about race and uh,

599
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: it reminds you a little of live tour in the PGA.

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00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: Like basically basically the ABA said, Okay, let's go steal

601
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Speaker 2: their best player. They stole the MVP of the league

602
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: was Rick Berry.

603
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Speaker 1: They stole it. Can you imagine?

604
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Speaker 2: It feels like live the differences. Yeah, I mean it's like,

605
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: let's go get Brooks Kopka, let's go get Rory McElroy.

606
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: And we couldn't get Rory. We got Brooks. Brooks circles back.

607
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: It's just when you watch it, it gives you. It contextualizes

608
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the live PGA stuff where when you

609
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: get these upstart businesses when Uber when after tax he's

610
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: and eventually killed them. They were sued in San Francisco

611
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: to a great book. I mean, Uber got sued multiple

612
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: times by taxi associations. It's like, listen, live's got oil money.

613
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: But in the end, you know, I mean, the Masters

614
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: isn't run by the PGA, the US Open, is it

615
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: the British Open, And it's like there's a hole in

616
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Speaker 2: this thing, let's give it a run. So yeah, it's

617
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Speaker 2: you know, this week a story came out and Josh

618
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Pate does some stuff for us. He's really smart and

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Speaker 2: he said listen. Pete Tamil wrote an article on a

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Speaker 2: twenty four team college football playoff. I said, my favorite

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Speaker 2: part of it, I don't know if the numbers right,

622
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Speaker 2: I've said maybe sixteen feels right. My favorite part is

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Speaker 2: it reduces the importance of the committee. Like at some point,

624
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: like you know, oh TCU didn't get in, we're all

625
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: going to sleep at night twelve, you get it. I mean,

626
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: Miami almost didn't get in, and they could have easily

627
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: won the Natty. But I wonder because I love college football,

628
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: and you grew up more of an NFL guy, and

629
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Speaker 2: so did Nick write. But here's what's interesting. People really claimed, well,

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Speaker 2: the college football regular season, it just won't meet as much.

631
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: And then I watched Ohio State Michigan play, and I

632
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: watched myself over the last two years because I thought,

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Speaker 2: to myself, that's the criticism of college football in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: And I watched more because my take is I kind

635
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Speaker 2: of wanted to see, like I watched Miami when they went.

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Speaker 2: I saw Miami PLAYSMU half. You know, I watch a

637
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: lot of halfs of games, and a lot of times.

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00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: What we complain about, we are in a grievance society,

639
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Speaker 2: is that college football regular season ratings up. Actually, the

640
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: college football playoff ratings have been hit and miss because

641
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: we're not used to it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, different days. Yeah, that's right. You expanded twenty four.

643
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: It helps November, which is kind of a dead period

644
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: mid novent. So now November gets good, December's good. The

645
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: committee doesn't mean as much. And Miami and Indiana felt

646
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: like the NFL, it honestly did well.

647
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, Miami Indiana was incredible. That but I think

648
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: that would have been incredible.

649
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: But my point is because of the transfer portal, you

650
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: had so many pros on the field for both teams,

651
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: two NFL quarterbacks, and because now the Danny, the rosters

652
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: are older. So when I watched Miami in India, Miami's

653
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: running half zone, half man to man. You get twenty

654
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: three year old twenty four year old guys, not nineteen

655
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: twenty year old guys. So what's happened into college football is, oh,

656
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: it's more like the NFL, which is like saying, you know,

657
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: back in the eighties, I've got a prelude, it's more

658
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: like a Mercedes. That's a loss. The quality is better

659
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: saying college football is more like the NFL. I see

660
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: the ratings. We push back because we think there's a

661
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: big separation. What makes college football great, Danny, is that

662
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: of all college sports. It looks athletically most like its

663
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: professional counterpart, and now more so because guys are clearly

664
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: staying in college not one year, but two years when

665
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: they could be six round picks. So my take is

666
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: twenty four teams. The initial response is WHOA. If I

667
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: told you your twenty seven thousand dollars car was more

668
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: like a seventy seven thousand dollars car, you'd be like, absolutely,

669
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: college has become forty to fifty percent pro football, And

670
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: I don't know what's the downside of that.

671
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I think that if that ends up being

672
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the case, it's just going to take people a long

673
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: time to like years to understand it, because, like we

674
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: work in the business, you maybe know it a little

675
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: bit better than I do. How much is this guy

676
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: making from nil? How much is this guy making from nil?

677
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: Is that legal? Is there a cap? How does it work?

678
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: Who's on it's? It is new? It is confusing. And

679
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: I think that if we get to twenty four teams

680
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and the playoffs starts in November, so how long is

681
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: the regular season? Eight games? Six games?

682
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: Well, it would eliminate. So what it would really eliminate

683
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: is the silly conference championships. I don't want Miami Ohio

684
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: State play or Ohio State Michigan playing three times. They

685
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: play in the regular season. If they met again, that's fun.

686
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: I don't want them playing three times. I don't want

687
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: in Ohio State Michigan just throwing that at I don't

688
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: want a big rivalry game. I don't want anybody in

689
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: college football playing for a third time. And so that's

690
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: that happens in the NFL infrequently does feels a little different, but.

691
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like it's it's a it's an interesting

692
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: like they're going to play forever, and these conferences are

693
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: so big that you know, USC is playing Rutgers in volleyball.

694
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: It's that it is so football and basketball should have

695
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: their own thing and everything else should be geographical, and

696
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: then I think it would start to make a little

697
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: bit more sense to the rest of them.

698
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: Ever, NFL you play three times, you've only got thirty

699
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: two teams. College football you have one hundred and thirty five,

700
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: So it's much more rare in college than prol than

701
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: you would face three times or four times.

702
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Sure, I have no question the divisions and fewer teams,

703
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: all of those reasons I just college football is clearly

704
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: going through everything changed at once because they got so

705
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: late to they No, we're going to suspend you for tattoos,

706
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: We're going to suspend you for selling your jersey, We're

707
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: going to suspend you for autographs. It's all legal. And

708
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: then in an instant everything became legal, and then that

709
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: wasn't regulated at all. But it's a wildly popular sport.

710
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: And so like, more football is good? Yeah, like I

711
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: am here for more football. We've talked about this before.

712
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: Am I a little bit more bothered for like Notre

713
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: Dame in USC won't play. I am a little bothered

714
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: by it. I think because I think you talked about

715
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: earlier about events like I want I want. I want

716
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: games to matter. I want to care about games. So

717
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, when Michigan Ohio State happens,

718
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: and you know, Michigan wins and Ohio State loser, but

719
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: then Ohio State wins the National Championship, I'm like man

720
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: back in my day, that would have eliminated Ohio State

721
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: from the National Championship. And then they go on and

722
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: win it. So is that good? Well, I guess because

723
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: that means they won the championship or does that mean

724
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: Michigan fans care a lot about Michigan Ohio State. Ohio

725
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: State fans care a lot about it. But I have

726
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: to care a little bit less because it's that was

727
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: not an elimination game anymore. And I admit like it

728
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: makes me care about it a little less because it's

729
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: like I can just tune in for the playoffs, like

730
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about in the NBA, you can just

731
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: tune in for the playoffs. I don't want that to

732
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: happen to college fool. Yeah.

733
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: See, I My argument is the ratings are showing that

734
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: it's not happening. Is that people bitch.

735
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: But we didn't. We just love football though. We just

736
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: love football, and so anything that results in more football

737
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: we are going to watch. We are adding football, and

738
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: half we're addicted to football. Half of college football fans

739
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: went to the school. You don't have that in the NFL. Right,

740
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: you're rooting for a no doubt, a jersey or a team.

741
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: In college.

742
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: If you went to Iowa, you watch Iowa games. So

743
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: the pushback is, I won't care as much nonsense. You've

744
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: been watching an average Iowa team for thirty five years

745
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: and they've been average, so now you have a chance

746
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: to get into the playoff. So that's my take on

747
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: twenty four teams.

748
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: Now, the question is what I care as much? Okay

749
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: I did. If I didn't go to Iowa and I

750
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: didn't go to Michigan Ohio State. Am I less likely

751
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: to watch Michigan Ohio State if I have no allegiance

752
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: to it? So that's I think. I think that is

753
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: a worthwhile question.

754
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: But I think a gigantic part of college football fans

755
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: went to the school and so, like I just ran

756
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: into some Purdue people the other day and they're like,

757
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: they've been watching an average product forever. Now they're going

758
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: to watch it least. Well, no, they're gonna watch it

759
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: more because they could get into a twenty fourteen playoff,

760
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: meaning a four lost team is going to get in.

761
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: So to me, sports is like the longer you can

762
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: keep people interested. I mean, I think we forget five

763
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: years ago it was Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson, and

764
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: we knew it by October.

765
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Eighth, right, that no question, But like do we need

766
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: do we need James Madison to play Oregon?

767
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: They're playing anyway? Now, we just push it to the

768
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: end of the season, not the beginning. They're playing anyway,

769
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: because these colleges all need a seventh or eight home game.

770
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: So okay, but so but but we're calling we're calling

771
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: it a we're calling it a playoff game, and one

772
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: team's favored by four.

773
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: To The reason you're gonna have that is because nobody

774
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: wants to get sued. The NCAA is toothless. They don't

775
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: want to get sued by these conferences. So you're gonna

776
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: have again. I go back and say it sounds like

777
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: a bigger problem than it is. The first round. You're

778
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: going to have four games that are just every fifth

779
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: or sixth year. You'll get a Boise State over Oklahoma.

780
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: You will get an upset. Eventually you'll get one some

781
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: really good team will be dinged up, some llewy and

782
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: James Madison will have like a second round NFL quarterback

783
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: and a clever young Chip Kelly coach and they'll knock

784
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: them off and everybody will be like, oh, this is magic.

785
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: I've said this for years, Danny March madness. One seeds,

786
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: two seeds, three seeds, occasional, four seeds, this whole thing, sixteens,

787
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: fifteens for.

788
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: They don't win games. It's mythology. So we and especially now,

789
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be like what happened last year.

790
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm interested to see if the gambling odds

791
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: reflect it like that the teams at the top, because

792
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: the teams at the top of college basketball are so

793
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: damn good, Like Yukon is awesome, Michigan, Yeah, they're so good,

794
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: even Illinois, like the ones in the two seeds. It

795
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: feels like that the Elite eight could just be ones

796
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: in two seats. Like it feels like it's going in

797
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: a direction where it's gonna be a little it's gonna

798
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: be a lot shockier. Yeah.

799
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: So I actually, I'm I'm very optimistic about sports in general.

800
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: I have not watched more baseball in the last two years.

801
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm glued to it. All the teams

802
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: I care about are big. I think college sports because

803
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: the nil on transfer portal, I think you and the playoffs,

804
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: you have a broader pool of teams. I care. Why

805
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: I watched more college football in November this year, I

806
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: mean I monitored myself and I'm like, I wouldn't watch

807
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 2: these games because none of these teams are going anywhere

808
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: they're going to the sun Bowl now, it's like they

809
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: may get in. I mean, I watched seven Old Miss games.

810
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: I never like what am I doing well?

811
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean do I think that's just the product of

812
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: like I mean a it's part partly evolution. Athletes are

813
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: getting better, We're getting smarter sports science and all of it.

814
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: But there is so much money in all of these sports.

815
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: Like who were Carson Beck?

816
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: Right?

817
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: They asked them at the press conference. They're like, you know,

818
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: what classes do you go to? He's like, I graduated

819
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: two years ago. Like he's he's a millionaire playing college

820
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: football in his early twenties, not having to go to school.

821
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: He got a professional quarterback coach, he's got he's got

822
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: a trainer, you know what I mean. He's a professional athlete.

823
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: He just happens to be playing college sports. So I

824
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: think it raises the level of all of it. Like

825
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: we're just like the golfers, you know, I'm watching the

826
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: pebblech Pebble Beach program today. Scotti Scheffler had a bad

827
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: opening round, almost won the damn thing. Shoots a sixty

828
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: three on Sunday. He's unbelievable. He's the best player since Tiger.

829
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: He's it's insane how good he is. Like just like

830
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: generally speaking, across the board, the athletic talent seems to

831
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: be as high as it.

832
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: And let's end it with this because I think this

833
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: is interesting. The knock on Schefler. He's not that interesting, right,

834
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: He's he's.

835
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Got a lot of it. Not if you like golf.

836
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: I love watching him, Yeah, I mean, but he does

837
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: not a big personality. Yeah, yeah, And what have we

838
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: said about you know, the NBA, the players sometimes seem disinterested.

839
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: A reality of athletes across all sports. The richer you get,

840
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: the tedious is not as is not as consumable. And

841
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: the truth is with some of these golfers they can

842
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: play like eight tournaments and I mean they're so rich

843
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: private jet that there's you know, the NBA Michael Jordan

844
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: talks about they were all fighting for tiny slices of pie.

845
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: The ABA where they were getting I mean there's literally

846
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: in this Aba, Doc Danny, they're getting in fist fights.

847
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: And why because people are like, this is their last

848
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: chance to be professional basketball players.

849
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: It was like the you know, it was like the Colosseum.

850
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: It was brutal. There's guys laying on the floor, like,

851
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: look like they're unconscious, and so we're going to have

852
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: to own this. The downside of athletes getting richer is

853
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: to a percentage of them, and maybe it's not a

854
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: large percentage, but they get out their interests, they fall

855
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: in love with other stuff. They are athletically gifted, but

856
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 2: they don't care as much and they're not fighting over

857
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: a piece of pot when college kids come. I mean,

858
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams comes into the NFL as a multi millionaire.

859
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Thank god. He is so passionate, coachable, and intense. Our

860
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: football players, for whatever reason, still all of them seem

861
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: to care to a point. They're like they're obsessed. And

862
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: I think something we have to come to terms with

863
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: is that a if you have a big personality and

864
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: say the wrong thing, the media and social media platforms

865
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: kick the shit out of you. So players are now boring.

866
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 2: Players don't want to get repped. Kd's the rare athlete

867
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: that will go back and forth. Most of them hide.

868
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: And the second thing is they're generationally wealthy, and that

869
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: does things to people. You know, you're not fighting when

870
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: you wait. You know, it's like the old Marvin Hagler line.

871
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: It's hard to everyone's got a plan. Is they get

872
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: punched in the mount.

873
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: Or no, the one where it's like when you're waking

874
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: up in silk sheets, it's hard to get up for

875
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: the four am jog.

876
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know that was that I just did.

877
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: So I think that's part of that's part of the

878
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: growth and the reality of this generational wealth and college

879
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: players getting paid. You're going to get this percentage of

880
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: some players that don't give uhit as much.

881
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, I I don't even think that it's

882
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't see like not caring as a huge issue

883
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: in sports like I do they ratchet it up for

884
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: the playoffs, yes, of course yes, but but but some

885
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: of that I think is just the sport is hard. Like,

886
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, you have to you have to pace yourself.

887
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: You're playing eighty two basketball games and running multiple miles

888
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: a day and chasing around Steph Curry and Lebron and Wenby.

889
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: So it's it's a difficult thing to do. So like

890
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: some of it is just preservation, well for the human body,

891
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: to save it for the playoffs.

892
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: Well care the WNBA screws up. They don't haul anything

893
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: in the regular season. Their players all get hurt. The

894
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: playoffs show up and half the starters are banged up.

895
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they fix that.

896
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: The NBA is like, listen, we're not We're gonna call everything,

897
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: slow the game down. But in the playoffs, I mean

898
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: we saw guys stars getting hurt in the playoffs. The

899
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: w NBA screws it up that so many people get

900
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: hurt going. I mean, w NBA officiating is bad and

901
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm not Yeah, yeah, consumer one, you can turn it

902
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: on for ten minutes. It's because remember they also don't

903
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: jump over each other. It is a horizontal game. It's

904
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: the it was chippy ten years ago, nobody watched.

905
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's it's it is very physical whenever

906
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: you watch. And the officiating is I mean, like officiating

907
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: in the pros is pretty damn good. You go a

908
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: level below the pros, you notice it like you notice

909
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: it in college basketball, you notice it in the in

910
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: the w NBA. But yeah, let's sen these guys all

911
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: have I mean, Kayleb Williams entered the NFL and he

912
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: had a charitable foundation his own. He is a business man,

913
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, like Bryson. Now, obviously he's made a ton

914
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: of money from live and he's made a ton of

915
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: money from winning golf tournaments, but he legit. He said

916
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: he might be able to make as much money from

917
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: YouTube golf as he could the tour. And obviously I

918
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: haven't seen his books, but I have seen some of

919
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: his YouTube stuff. It's wildly popular, yes, with tens of

920
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: millions of views like his like you know, shoot whatever

921
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: they call it, the under fifty series or shoot fifty

922
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: series where they play from the front ties with a

923
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: partner on a scramble. It's so entertaining. So like, these

924
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: guys have a lot of ways to make money. Well.

925
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: Also the Rory McElroy win and it's it's the Masters,

926
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: it's his seventeenth try. I feel like we got more

927
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: of those in golf years ago. You Like, it felt

928
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: like in the seventies, if you want a tournament, you

929
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: pumped your fist, like you beat Jack, right. And then

930
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: came the Tiger thing, and TI was just a cultural phenomena,

931
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of Phil Mickelson's in a round,

932
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: and Tiger was just naturally competitive, so he pumped a fist.

933
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: There was no YouTube, you didn't have other ways. I mean,

934
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: he had the Nike Golf Association. But I feel like

935
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: that these golfers now can make so much money doing

936
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: so many things. I'm not getting as many pump your

937
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: fist moments or moments when I'm watching Rory at Augusta

938
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I watched every moment Sunday. I didn't

939
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: leave the TV. I was like, okay, commercial run get

940
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: you know. And so I do feel a little bit

941
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: like pro sports sometimes golf. I feel like years ago,

942
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: the pump fist ratio, the purses pre Tiger were smaller.

943
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: It really mattered if you want Tom Kite could beat

944
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: Jack Nickle. It really mattered for your net worth and

945
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: your comfort. I think those days are especially with the

946
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: guys going to live now, some will parachute back. I

947
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: just think there's so much money with these golfers. The

948
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: purses are big, there's not as many pumped your fist

949
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: moments where I'm where it's palpable for me as a viewer.

950
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: I know they're gonna eat either way and fly a

951
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: private JETI though they're definitely.

952
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Gonna Yeah, they're definitely gonna eat. They all you watch

953
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: the No Swing thing on or Full Swing on Netflix,

954
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, like everybody has a private jet

955
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: and it's either the one that they pay for or

956
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: the one that they put like a little patch on

957
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: their shirt and then they get the jet for free.

958
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're all flying. And I forget which golfer

959
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: it was that said it, but like he's like, yeah,

960
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, like my game isn't like dialed in right now.

961
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: This course doesn't fit fit for me, Like at a

962
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: pre round press conference was a couple of years ago.

963
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: I forget who it was. People could look it up

964
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: and they're like manly. So he's like, yeah, like I

965
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: He's like realistically, he's like, I don't have any shot

966
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: to win this golf tournament. And so the reporter asked

967
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: the follow up question. He goes, so why do you

968
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: show up? And he goes, because they give out a

969
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: shitload of money for twentieth. It's like it's like, yeah, man,

970
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: you can fly there in a private jet and probably

971
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: bank three hundre k for finishing sixteenth. Like it's a really,

972
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: really really good way to spend a weekend.

973
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I still love the majors. I love the

974
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: British Open, I love the US Open especially.

975
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: It's all listen, I'm a golf nut. I love it

976
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: all but yeah, but yeah, but again it's it's just

977
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: but events, right, the majors, the players Championship, Oh, Scheffler

978
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: is making a charge on Sunday at Pebble like it

979
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: gets you to it gets you to tune it on.

980
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: And when you don't have something like that, we have

981
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: so many different options that it's harder to capture the

982
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: consumer's attention like I used to as a kid, and

983
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: you change, like as a kid. The NBA All Star Game,

984
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: partly because I went to the one in Cleveland in

985
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven with my dad and so I'm eleven

986
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: years old and it was the NBA at fifty and

987
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: all the stars that I think the NBA at All

988
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: Star Game was like, I was like, this is the

989
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: coolest thing in the world. A Vincet Carter's in the

990
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: Dunk Contest, Kobe's in the Dunk Contest, like all my guys.

991
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, and then you grow up

992
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's not for me anymore.

993
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you outgrow it by the way, you know, We're

994
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: the contest started the ABA, the three point shot, the

995
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: ABA innovation.

996
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: But again, and I do really think and I know

997
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Adam Silver wasn't asked quite about He was asked a

998
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: lot of things at that press conference. But the end

999
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: seasons are they should change the rules for the end season. Yeah,

1000
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, like aggressively tinker with your product,

1001
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: but make the games counts. Like you don't need to

1002
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: do it in the G League, Like just these players

1003
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: are smart though they can. Baseball has the advantage they

1004
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: do it in the minor leagues. They have a huge advantage,

1005
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: which being able.

1006
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: To so they use a pitchclock. For I sat next

1007
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 2: to a GM in Richmond, Yeah, and I was flying

1008
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: cross country. He was the GM of the Richmond We talked.

1009
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, yeah, we've on this pitchclock for two years.

1010
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: He said it will take twenty minutes off a game,

1011
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: and it was like almost thirty. So he's like, it's great.

1012
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: It speeds it up. He goes, I'm a baseball guy,

1013
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: but it's funny. Go YouTube. Now it's the Cubs, so

1014
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: you love them dearly, but go YouTube the Cubs Cleveland

1015
00:52:58,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: World Series.

1016
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: Watch how slow baseball. It's like, oh no, listen, man,

1017
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: I remember that. That is one of the most tense

1018
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: sporting events of my entire life. So like I was

1019
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: in the rain delay in Game seven, I was like,

1020
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: this game could last nineteen hours and I would be launched.

1021
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I've always said I had a real

1022
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: love hate relationship with baseball because one of one's sixty

1023
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: two is just meaningless. Yes, and so they needed to

1024
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: do things to make the product better, and they have,

1025
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: to their credit, they've done a great job. Great job Danny,

1026
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: as always Colin, great job by you. The volume