Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simone.
Speaker 2: And I'm Tory Deal and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Toy, was this like the spiciest and also most emotional
Speaker 1: episode of the season so far?
Speaker 2: I mean it, listen, it was up there, but knowing
Speaker 2: where it goes, I cannot give it, you know, but.
Speaker 3: It was a long I love this season.
Speaker 4: Nuh.
Speaker 1: It just keeps getting spicier and spicy. I love it
Speaker 1: so much. Now, something that hasn't gotten as spicy TJ's wardrobe.
Speaker 1: I just have to shout out though. I really did
Speaker 1: like the gray jacket he wore and the hat combo
Speaker 1: in this week's elimination. It really made his eyes pop.
Speaker 1: Looked beautiful, TJ. Well done. Now, usually we do a breakdown,
Speaker 1: but this is a really juicy interview. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff covered, a lot of topics. So I
Speaker 1: think we're going to just jump into the gold star
Speaker 1: and the timeout so that y guys can hear from
Speaker 1: our guests. Sound good, Toy, Absolutely, who's your gold star?
Speaker 3: My gold star is FESSI and I'm gonna tell you why,
Speaker 3: oh please? He kept me out. He kept me out
Speaker 3: of that elimination.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that if he hadn't approached the conversation
Speaker 2: with Mikayla, my ass is going in, so I gotta
Speaker 2: give it to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, that's absolutely fair. Who is your time out?
Speaker 1: I believe? Oh god, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Can you go first?
Speaker 1: I'll go with my gold Star. So it is a
Speaker 1: tie for me in gold Star. Mikayla for conquering her
Speaker 1: fear like that just a beautiful moving story, Like I
Speaker 1: love to see that so much, and I love the
Speaker 1: way everybody kind of rallied around her. Just amazing. And
Speaker 1: also Tyler, because Tyler is still holding it down with
Speaker 1: his protecting of Alyssa, even him being like, do you
Speaker 1: need space in this time? Do you want me to
Speaker 1: ask people to stay out of the room while you
Speaker 1: take space? Like that's just like a good person, a
Speaker 1: good friend, a good romantic partner. Those are the qualities
Speaker 1: you guys should be looking for. I'm not saying date
Speaker 1: a Tyler, you guys, I don't know enough about him.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that when you were evaluating Tory your show answers,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding anybody, when you're evaluating your partner, that is
Speaker 1: an amazing quality to have. So gold Star goes to
Speaker 1: Tyler and Mikayla for time out. Somebody did make me mad.
Speaker 1: And then you know what I forgot?
Speaker 3: Who was at Josh for voting in Wes.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was Josh and his dramatics. You were right, Josh,
Speaker 1: you get the time out? What on earth? Talk it
Speaker 1: like if he doesn't sit out somewhere.
Speaker 2: I mean that it really did make it. It felt
Speaker 2: very emotional for me. I understand, like how hard it
Speaker 2: is to have to go in there and say somebody's name,
Speaker 2: and you know we're getting closer to the end, But like.
Speaker 1: Have you ever cried over saying somebody's name? No, that's
Speaker 1: what I thought, But I.
Speaker 3: Think Mi Anie depressant stopped me from doing that.
Speaker 1: Like I think if I was.
Speaker 3: I think if I wasn't on them, I think I'd
Speaker 3: be crying more.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like stand in it. Also, when
Speaker 1: he like patted West on the back literally right after
Speaker 1: he voted him. If that is not a Bible story,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is like, sirih Josh, just you
Speaker 1: voted the man in. We get it feels bad, Yatta,
Speaker 1: but get over it. But I mean, but he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be Josh if you weren't crying, So like, on one hand,
Speaker 1: you love it because that's Josh. It's on the other hand,
Speaker 1: it's like, come on now, yeah, I mean, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a shitty situation to be put in.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, I feel bad for Wes, like it sucks, Like
Speaker 2: it really does suck.
Speaker 3: To see him go.
Speaker 1: I would have loved to see him in the final
Speaker 1: I really like, yeah, I really. I hope he doesn't retire.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be back West and we need you.
Speaker 1: I think I give him some time. I think and
Speaker 1: hope that Wes will be back. But for the people
Speaker 1: that are still here, we have some dynamic personalities and
Speaker 1: one of them is a guest on today's episode. And
Speaker 1: let me tell y'all, I mean, she has thoughts, she
Speaker 1: has opinions, but she does not have a notebook. This
Speaker 1: time we are talking about Mikayla. You guys are not.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is probably the spiciest episode of this
Speaker 1: podcast that we have done, certainly this season and in
Speaker 1: a while. She is the epitome of the motto don't overthink,
Speaker 1: just overshare. She's gonna give you exactly what she's feeling thinking,
Speaker 1: And we have a visit from a surprise special guest
Speaker 1: as well that you won't want to miss. So grab
Speaker 1: your snacks, do your things, get your popcorn, get cozy,
Speaker 1: put on those little house socks that make you feel good,
Speaker 1: and stay tuned because we're coming up with an interview
Speaker 1: with miss Michayla from Survivor right after this. This person
Speaker 1: was on two seasons of Survivor.
Speaker 2: She was originally on the Challenge Spies, Eyes and Allies,
Speaker 2: and we didn't get to see enough of her there,
Speaker 2: but this season we are surely seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: her in terms of competition, gameplay and incredible confessionals.
Speaker 3: Welcome McKayla Bradshaw.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for coming on the show, girl.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling good so far?
Speaker 5: I tend to do better the second time, and all
Speaker 5: I had to do was not be out first, so
Speaker 5: I'm the winner in my book.
Speaker 1: All you had to do was not bring a notebook, Mikayla,
Speaker 1: and not let I didn't bring a pen, I didn't
Speaker 1: bring up.
Speaker 5: I said, y'all not gonna catch me with nothing, right right,
Speaker 5: I'm literate as far as I'm so glad that you
Speaker 5: left the school's pleasant home because it's been so good
Speaker 5: watching you navigate through this game, making money moves, being
Speaker 5: sort of this powerhouse, which I think even when and
Speaker 5: to be fair, by the way, if I didn't say
Speaker 5: it on Aftermath when you came on from your first
Speaker 5: season of challenging Spies Lines and Allies, the more guests
Speaker 5: I had on afterwards because obviously you were on the
Speaker 5: first episode that we did, because I mean, you're basically
Speaker 5: out during opening credits you did get played Mikayla and
Speaker 5: Spies Lies, and you one hundred percent got played, And
Speaker 5: I'm mad for you, but I'm so glad to see
Speaker 5: you here showing us what you can really do.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, we all have learning lessons in life,
Speaker 1: but we don't get fooled twice. Dude, listen through you
Speaker 1: and you didn't.
Speaker 2: I really think that, Like, there's not many people who
Speaker 2: go out first and make an impact that lasts the
Speaker 2: way that you have.
Speaker 3: And then also.
Speaker 2: Everybody already knew what they were dealing with when you
Speaker 2: came on the show. Like your first challenge Daily on
Speaker 2: Spy SI's Allies, you came in second place. You were
Speaker 2: this close to winning, so like you being the competitive
Speaker 2: force that you are, and us even seeing glimpses of
Speaker 2: you this season with you running with that box on
Speaker 2: your back when we were still in teams and being
Speaker 2: in front of literally all the guys, and then obviously
Speaker 2: we're not going to get into this daily challenge yet,
Speaker 2: but absolutely murdering it. Like your athletic abilities speak for themselves,
Speaker 2: and now we finally get to see them because you're here.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, I appreciate it means a lot coming
Speaker 1: from you. I couldn't tell if there were sarcasm there.
Speaker 1: We'll find out later in this episode. So, Michayla, before
Speaker 1: we get into the breakdown of what happened this episode,
Speaker 1: because there was a lot. I feel like there was
Speaker 1: a lot of emotions, a lot of feels, a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of things. But multiple challengers who we've
Speaker 1: had on the podcast have said, and it's sort of
Speaker 1: apparent in watching you, is that you very much read people.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean just read people with like shade,
Speaker 1: you do that too, which is funny, but you read,
Speaker 1: you assess people, you analyze people, And so I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'd love to play just a little game where we
Speaker 1: get a sense of what does Mikayla think, right and
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna just throw out a name, and I
Speaker 1: just want to know without any spoilers, because we don't
Speaker 1: know obviously, you guys know what happened season. I have
Speaker 1: made Tori swear to not tell me things because I
Speaker 1: want to watch it as a viewer and not know
Speaker 1: what happens. So without giving spoilers, we're going to play
Speaker 1: little game. I'm just gonna throw out a couple of
Speaker 1: names that you and I want you to give me
Speaker 1: one adjective that in Mikayla's challenge assessment that you have
Speaker 1: about that player. Sound good? Sounds good? All right, Let's
Speaker 1: start with bananas. Bananas two words. A chap came to mind,
Speaker 1: and then special and special was a ephemism. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: he's a special one. He's a special one. What about
Speaker 1: john Ay? Johanna is actually really nice, she's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, I don't have one word. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a yeah, I've noticed. It's all right, we'll allow for two.
Speaker 1: What about Chris Liar? You got one word right there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way always? Or was it not
Speaker 1: a moment? One? Why? Because I can smell foolishness. It's
Speaker 1: my nostrils are very attuned to it because I work
Speaker 1: in corporate man and Chris some some people just look sketchy,
Speaker 1: and how they moved, they're just they're just there. Their movements,
Speaker 1: their body language just exudes lack of trustworthiness. And that
Speaker 1: was him.
Speaker 5: And then I just noticed little little things like, you know,
Speaker 5: I'll tell one person a piece of information and then
Speaker 5: you see how it travels and how it changes. And
Speaker 5: I noticed people had negative perceptions whenever Chris was a
Speaker 5: part of their chain of communication, and it's like, but
Speaker 5: you're not saying anything to me though, right noted?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he just do you prove? He proves how
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: When you were like, just want to go back a
Speaker 2: challenge when we were swinging from the top of those
Speaker 2: trucks against each other, did you know did you know
Speaker 2: that Chris was the root of that plan while we
Speaker 2: were there?
Speaker 5: I did not know that, but I figured that it wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't surprised when I found out it was him.
Speaker 5: I found out it was him in the.
Speaker 1: House, but it wasn't surprising at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And was that like a part of just adding
Speaker 2: to this because obviously this episode we really see it
Speaker 2: kind of blow up. It's yeah, you know, we get
Speaker 2: this introduction of you saying you don't trust him, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, now you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know you guys, we have this mind. It's obvious, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just spiraling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an obvious thing. And then for me, I
Speaker 1: think that they showed this like we had a little
Speaker 1: come to Jesus meeting after Chris one, and it's like, look,
Speaker 1: you throw people under the bus. Like now I can
Speaker 1: pull out all my receipts because I know this. Not
Speaker 1: everybody has seen it.
Speaker 5: But if we're going to move forward, then you need
Speaker 5: to acknowledge what you did right and then move forward.
Speaker 5: He's used so many words to skirt around it, but
Speaker 5: in the confessional it was like I just I acknowledged
Speaker 5: what I did.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you weren't. I was a conversation. You
Speaker 1: did that. So it's it's interesting. It's like I would
Speaker 1: say liar and I would say fake. Okay, yeah, those
Speaker 1: are his What words would you use to describe FESSI?
Speaker 1: I like Betsy, what we would I describe athletic? He's
Speaker 1: very athletic. Okay.
Speaker 5: At the end, you know what I would also say,
Speaker 5: I don't know some word that means nice on.
Speaker 1: The inside but doesn't know how to articulate it. I
Speaker 1: kind of agree with that about fest, like he can
Speaker 1: come across a certain way, but he's actually like a
Speaker 1: low key he's a person. Yeah, yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: you that. What about doctor Desi.
Speaker 5: Dei, My first thought was interesting. I think there's a
Speaker 5: lot to and I'm gonna spind it this way.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to Desi that people don't
Speaker 1: look into because how she presents. I think she presents
Speaker 1: in such a palatable way that it's easy for people
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, but I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of depth two I don't know, to her her story
Speaker 1: and her personal experience, And yeah, I think, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the that thing. I think she's interesting. I think I
Speaker 1: think it was interesting to me to know that I
Speaker 1: was in the secret Garden this whole time. I've never
Speaker 1: heard that turn while I was on the self. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think with me, Dessie and Chanelle, honestly,
Speaker 1: we are so different. Mhmm. And it's I think it's
Speaker 1: difficult unless you get to know each of us individually.
Speaker 1: I think it's difficult to know how different we really
Speaker 1: actually are. And so that's why I say Desie is interesting, okay,
Speaker 1: because that's yeah, when she started digging deep, just like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of differences. Yeah, oh, I look forward
Speaker 1: to find they have more about those differences. I definitely
Speaker 1: want to circle back on that tour names for you,
Speaker 1: particularly relating to this episode. First one is Josh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is why we need videos. This is why we
Speaker 1: need video a face face Josh extram it can be extra.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, like like I like something like extra, like a
Speaker 2: side of walk, like extra, like a side in the movie,
Speaker 2: like extra, like over the top, like a good extra
Speaker 2: bad extra.
Speaker 1: I like, I think I think he can be a
Speaker 1: little over the top but still love fool Like.
Speaker 5: I like me some Josh, I love me some Josh.
Speaker 5: But some of the stuff I watched, I was like, now,
Speaker 5: why are you find if you put.
Speaker 1: The battle on, thank you, he'd be good on Real
Speaker 1: Housewives like like right, but like Mole, I agree, I
Speaker 1: adore Josh, Like yes, but everything you just said right,
Speaker 1: like you threw the man in why are you over
Speaker 1: here crying time? Giving him a kiss? Judas is scariot,
Speaker 1: Like what do you say if you don't take him?
Speaker 1: Peter and Paul behind it's down right like you did this.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, Wes was talking a whole lot
Speaker 1: of smack. But I wonder if that confessional was done
Speaker 1: after prior to him knowing or after come on all right,
Speaker 1: Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, yes absolutely, because you see Josh telling Wes in
Speaker 2: the sand. Wes had no idea obviously, and then after
Speaker 2: we have to go do our interviews and we have
Speaker 2: to catch up an episode or two.
Speaker 3: For sure he was talking shit after the fact, Like.
Speaker 1: So you do you think that he was really Because
Speaker 1: that's a good point, toy, because when we see Wes
Speaker 1: on the treadmill, right, and then we see Josh like
Speaker 1: talking to Wes and sort of being like this bro
Speaker 1: thing happening, and it looks very much like like Josh
Speaker 1: is more into it than Wes, right, So it does
Speaker 1: kind of And then we cut to the confessional where
Speaker 1: Wes is like, I'll never let job never see Josh's arrival.
Speaker 1: I'll never see are you saying that the energy in
Speaker 1: the house was very much that Wes was equally as
Speaker 1: supportive of or friendly with Josh, And it wasn't until
Speaker 1: after he found out about being voted in by Josh
Speaker 1: that his energy ship.
Speaker 2: I think that, at least from my perspective, I think
Speaker 2: that was evident just by how Wes reacted.
Speaker 3: It wasn't anger, it was sheer disappointment. It was sad.
Speaker 3: It was like why, It was like why.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like fuck you, like you're never gonna So
Speaker 2: I think when he took it true.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, but is that because Wes thinks
Speaker 1: everyone believes everything he says? Yeah, because I also get
Speaker 1: that vibe from Wes A little yea.
Speaker 5: One thing I can say, And Wes was putting on
Speaker 5: some form of a front in the game, right to
Speaker 5: the whole Greens team.
Speaker 1: He tried to make it appear like he was on
Speaker 1: the outs with all of its nobody had his back,
Speaker 1: you know, xyz Elep. And if he didn't believe that,
Speaker 1: then he was uncomfortable with you me.
Speaker 5: So maybe, you know, if somebody else was in earshot
Speaker 5: of the conversation with Josh, that could have impacted how
Speaker 5: he was interacting in that one moment, But.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I can't remember ever seeing besides them running on a
Speaker 5: treadmill together, which they did sometimes. Beyond that, I never
Speaker 5: actually saw with my own two eyes bem hanging out together,
Speaker 5: so I didn't realize that they had a close relationship
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Just well, I also think that you know, it was
Speaker 2: a long time coming for them. There were rivals for
Speaker 2: a while back there. You know, they were gunning for
Speaker 2: each other a lot in were the world's too, So
Speaker 2: I think there's.
Speaker 3: A long history of trying to climb back up.
Speaker 2: And I think the way Wes looked at this game
Speaker 2: obviously like everybody's in their own groups with Big Brother
Speaker 2: and then Survivor and then the Vets, and then I
Speaker 2: think Wes did kind of latch onto himself and look
Speaker 2: at Josh as this person who was.
Speaker 3: Out of everybody there somebody that would have his back.
Speaker 3: So I think I think that's kind of the way
Speaker 3: Wes played it.
Speaker 2: And I definitely think Wes popped over into the dungeon
Speaker 2: more often than people may be recognized, which was that
Speaker 2: like bottom bed room where Bananas stayed, and Josh said,
Speaker 2: you know, Michelle.
Speaker 3: Would be down there, I'd be down there, like, you know,
Speaker 3: why was.
Speaker 1: He so mad when I asked him if he's going
Speaker 1: to move to the dungeon.
Speaker 3: Then I don't know, because I think that was a
Speaker 3: fair question. I think that was a fair question. I do. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was a lot for him, I think.
Speaker 3: But to this daily challenge or I do have another
Speaker 3: name before we do one more name?
Speaker 1: Cassidy delusional. I was waiting for that one. Who Okay,
Speaker 1: please do explain. I think she just it's one of
Speaker 1: those people that is out of touch with reality, like
Speaker 1: her observations and her awareness of her own self does
Speaker 1: not match, uh, what everybody else experiences. And then she
Speaker 1: just makes those stories in her head and just run.
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, give us an example. So Michelle, Cassidy,
Speaker 1: Chris and Sebastian had a four people survivor alliance coming
Speaker 1: into the game. Mhm right. They were the one talking
Speaker 1: about were strong, strong, And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know y'all the people who stopped me in the back
Speaker 1: of the most it's survivors. I don't know none of y'all.
Speaker 1: I know I know Michelle a little bit, and all
Speaker 1: you do is stuff people in the back. So you
Speaker 1: know that's cute, But that and that's why you don't
Speaker 1: see me talking the first three episodes. I'm eating and
Speaker 1: looking uh people, Right, I don't trust them, like, that's
Speaker 1: what that was. I didn't know any of them.
Speaker 5: So but as as as numbers start whittling down, even
Speaker 5: though all the survivors are there, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: Cassie's on the bottom and there's a strong People alliance.
Speaker 5: But Michelle is here and and this that and the
Speaker 5: third and y'all have your four and y'all left me,
Speaker 5: Dessie and Chanelle out And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: because we didn't sit here on the bottom waiting to
Speaker 5: get chopped off, and we started mixing and mingling and
Speaker 5: doing what we need to do to get what we
Speaker 5: need to get. Now, all of a sudden, you're at
Speaker 5: the bottom of the survivor alliance and everybody else's strong
Speaker 5: women that my girl, No, you you played yourself.
Speaker 1: And you have all these episodes to figure it out
Speaker 1: and to readjust and we'll see if you choose to
Speaker 1: do it or not.
Speaker 2: I think, and I think ultimately, like I had conversations
Speaker 2: with Cassidy in our room. You know, obviously I throw
Speaker 2: her in the second week, and she was like really
Speaker 2: upset about that.
Speaker 3: And I think that she was assuming that.
Speaker 2: When she when the game shifted and went individual this
Speaker 2: was pivotal because she was assuming she had already gotten
Speaker 2: close with me, she had already gotten close with Michelle,
Speaker 2: and obviously Alyssa was there as well. I think she
Speaker 2: kind of assumed, girl wise, that like the hour was
Speaker 2: gonna shift, like the opportunity I had was going to
Speaker 2: be directed shots at you guys, and it was the
Speaker 2: complete opposite. So when she realized that the game was
Speaker 2: shifting around her, even though she was trying to build relationships,
Speaker 2: I think she was just.
Speaker 3: Kind of bitter about that.
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe it comes off as because I'm
Speaker 2: not defending her. I think I'm more just trying to
Speaker 2: understand where she could have come from.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I didn't think of I didn't think
Speaker 1: of it that way.
Speaker 5: But even thinking of it that way, how long did
Speaker 5: it take to recognize, Oh wait, that's not what's happening.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like we all had to pivot when
Speaker 1: the game went.
Speaker 5: Individual, like y'all had just thrown me in, and then
Speaker 5: there's a conversation like let's work together, just like please.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't opposed to the idea.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I don't, look, I need some evidence
Speaker 5: before I, uh jump in this same thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: you know, it's just every I think everybody has to
Speaker 5: adjust in these games and figure different things out and realize,
Speaker 5: you know, every day something can shift.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like, instead of being adaptable and shifting,
Speaker 1: she chose to play the victim and woe is me
Speaker 1: and you know, going to elimination against tiny people and
Speaker 1: then come out and then talk for three days about
Speaker 1: oh my arms and I did so much.
Speaker 5: And it's just like, girl, it'll probably be better for
Speaker 5: you to act like it's not it doesn't bother you
Speaker 5: at all, and then change your social game a little
Speaker 5: bit instead of drawing more attention to yourself.
Speaker 1: Every time you come back and annoying every woman. But
Speaker 1: that's just my perspective.
Speaker 3: I've thoroughly enjoyed hearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thoroughly enjoy hearing the way you go about
Speaker 2: because you look at it very much like a game,
Speaker 2: like you really do.
Speaker 3: It's like straight analytical over there.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and it's not it's not personal, but it's like,
Speaker 5: but I think it was as work.
Speaker 1: And you know where I got this from. It's Casey.
Speaker 5: So coming into my little first season of the twenty
Speaker 5: four hours of the challenge. Even though it was only
Speaker 5: one episode, it was a lot of days because it
Speaker 5: was in the heat of COVID and it was driving
Speaker 5: me crazy to be in that house because I was
Speaker 5: going in there like like I am in real life,
Speaker 5: like these are humans when I want to get to
Speaker 5: know people, and I was just picked eating on everybody's
Speaker 5: energy and seeing things happening and filling these walls.
Speaker 1: And it was because I was approaching people.
Speaker 5: I was approaching things like an interpersonal relationship, like how
Speaker 5: I deal with people at home. If I meet you
Speaker 5: on the street and I like you and we want
Speaker 5: to connect, That's how I was approaching it, and that
Speaker 5: that posture is what allowed me to get taken advantage
Speaker 5: of throwing into elimination. And my feelings were so hurt
Speaker 5: about it that I couldn't get my mind together.
Speaker 1: To perform wealth and Elimination. So it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna operate as though this is work. I'm here
Speaker 1: for a check, I'm clocking in. All I need to
Speaker 1: do is see what's happening. Naviget around did stay off
Speaker 1: the way and when I have to play, what is
Speaker 1: what you're saying spieslies and allies hardened you to the game.
Speaker 5: You can say harden you. You can just say, look,
Speaker 5: I know what it is. And there's a difference, like
Speaker 5: there's a difference between how people are or how I
Speaker 5: am with people in real life and then what I
Speaker 5: expect of them when I meet them in that environment.
Speaker 5: Like my expectation going into this season is anybody I
Speaker 5: meet in this environment they want to get themselves to
Speaker 5: a final.
Speaker 1: They want to win, and if it ever looks like
Speaker 1: I'm in the way of that, they will turn against
Speaker 1: me and just leave it there instead of commenting like,
Speaker 1: oh I like this person, we can be friends. No,
Speaker 1: so it don't matter if people be like, who do
Speaker 1: you put your ball in? I don't care.
Speaker 5: I don't care what the fall in. I care that
Speaker 5: the ball was in. I'm gonna do something different today.
Speaker 5: You know, what do you think happened in the nomination?
Speaker 1: Right? Do you think they nominate you? I don't care.
Speaker 5: I care that they nominated me, and I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: in and if I do, I go in, I come
Speaker 5: back and out. If I don't go in, great that
Speaker 5: means I have to do something different. And I just
Speaker 5: didn't I didn't take anything personally.
Speaker 1: This time, and I didn't try to make things about me.
Speaker 1: It's just like, okay, just be here tomorrow. It seems
Speaker 1: to be waiting. Is that the same thought process you
Speaker 1: had when you were having deliberations with FESSI about voting
Speaker 1: in toy because we saw just not even twenty four
Speaker 1: hours before, you guys sort of made an alliance where
Speaker 1: Tori saying, hey, I'm not gonna vote for you. Guys.
Speaker 1: You know da da da, and you're like cool, and
Speaker 1: then it shows, like you know, in the SpongeBob character voice,
Speaker 1: not even twenty four hours later, you want to see
Speaker 1: you talking to Bessi being like you want to throw
Speaker 1: in toy? So is that was that your mentality or
Speaker 1: your approach there?
Speaker 5: It's my thing is you have to consider all the
Speaker 5: options at all times. Right, words are cheap until there's
Speaker 5: action to back it up, and somebody not like for me,
Speaker 5: if there's a thousand.
Speaker 1: Options of people to throw in in nine hundred you
Speaker 1: don't have connections, Well, it didn't cost anything for that
Speaker 1: person to make that decision.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: Loyalty for me comes in when there's a cost, and
Speaker 5: then you still choose to do something that is an
Speaker 5: alignment with what we said, or is in my favor,
Speaker 5: then it's like bad.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like I didn't I tell I
Speaker 1: took words at face value with the grain of salt.
Speaker 1: A lot of people when the game switched and it
Speaker 1: said no more teams, there was a lot of conversations
Speaker 1: that happened. So if I would have been like, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody who said they want to work with me wants
Speaker 1: to work with me. The math on math like that
Speaker 1: you got to throw a ball and you have to
Speaker 1: nominate something. So that's really what it was. And I
Speaker 1: considered options all the time, and that's gonna be evident
Speaker 1: any time and help to make a decision. They haven't
Speaker 1: shown all my secret hopper vote selections, but it was
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones in that hopper room. Everybody got it.
Speaker 2: My question is like, and you know what, listening to
Speaker 2: the way you're describing it, it makes sense. You know,
Speaker 2: of course there's a bunch of people who's willing to
Speaker 2: work with all of us when we're in there.
Speaker 3: Words only give so much. Actions speak louder.
Speaker 2: So knowing that, like I had power those first two weeks,
Speaker 2: was that because obviously you're going to sit at that table,
Speaker 2: you're gonna consemplate, You're going to think, was that the
Speaker 2: original reason why you eventually switched your vote to go
Speaker 2: another way? Was it because I looked out for you
Speaker 2: or was there another factor that made you kind of
Speaker 2: know myself off.
Speaker 1: From thirty man?
Speaker 5: It was it was Bessie's explanation, because when I sat
Speaker 5: down at the deliberation, it was like, I've never made
Speaker 5: it this far in this game before.
Speaker 1: This is a difference that I'm not used to.
Speaker 5: Bessy has gone far in games several times, right, so
Speaker 5: I know when I'm out of my depth. And I
Speaker 5: appreciated that he was just honest and transparent. He wasn't
Speaker 5: playing games.
Speaker 1: And the way he broke it down because I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: tell me how people play it at this juncture, and
Speaker 1: he broke it down real simple, was like, here's the
Speaker 1: two options you can do. You can you can make
Speaker 1: waves and you can throw people in or that type
Speaker 1: of thing, or you can use this as an opportunity
Speaker 1: to build trust with certain people. And if you build
Speaker 1: trust with people that are likely to win, it protects
Speaker 1: you further than saving people that are likely to lose.
Speaker 1: And I was like that math makes sense. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: try it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, even after that, it was a day
Speaker 1: by day thing for me, because again, my experience in
Speaker 1: these games is I trust people faster than I should
Speaker 1: because I do that in real life, and then people.
Speaker 5: Stab me in the back. And so my thing was
Speaker 5: I'm not going to I'm gonna be slow on expending
Speaker 5: trust and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Just watch it out and see how people moved and
Speaker 1: then we'll just see how that goes. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: really it was Becy's explanation of things. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I also want to go back to the reason why
Speaker 2: you had power in the first place, which was this
Speaker 2: incredible challenge.
Speaker 3: That literally nobody wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And I mean, Mikaylo, you and I were up there
Speaker 2: the first two times alone, I mean the first time alone,
Speaker 2: and we were like, dude, it was it was brutal.
Speaker 2: I was almost up there crying with you just because
Speaker 2: it was cold. But talk talk us through like what
Speaker 2: it was like to be scared and go through with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was so.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that I was afraid of heights. I
Speaker 5: know that I don't like doing things that don't make sense.
Speaker 1: So like, don't sit waiting in a line, getting on
Speaker 1: a roller poster, letting it take me up in the
Speaker 1: air and then drop me down. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't do it.
Speaker 5: Like getting paying money getting in an airplane to go
Speaker 5: up and then jump out, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: So I'm don't do it. But really I don't like heights.
Speaker 5: And I didn't know until I got up there and
Speaker 5: I was like, ooh, this is not comfortable. But in
Speaker 5: my mind, I'm like, all right, you do it once.
Speaker 5: You're just gonna do the same thing over and over.
Speaker 5: Get over it once and it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: And that second time it was not fine, and I like, Lord,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do because it's just it's
Speaker 1: like your mind is telling you like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: there's a purpose behind doing it. You know what you
Speaker 1: need to do, move forward, and it's physically possible, you're
Speaker 1: not going to die, but your emotions are like I
Speaker 1: don't feel good about this. I don't like this, and
Speaker 1: your gut is gonna not like you know, It's just
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it was a lot of dissentence
Speaker 1: for me, and I'm not used to having that because
Speaker 1: I just normally moved in a way that's in alignment
Speaker 1: with myself. But did you have that same feeling though
Speaker 1: or trepidation around because I see you doing that on
Speaker 1: this platform and to me, now, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it looked fun, but it looks like better than
Speaker 1: it did. It looked better than some It looked more
Speaker 1: enjoyable perhaps than some of the other challenges, certainly that
Speaker 1: have been done the past, and even some of the
Speaker 1: other dailies that have been done this season. So we
Speaker 1: see you freak out there. Did you freak out when
Speaker 1: you were strapped to the side of a semi pulling
Speaker 1: Tory's hair?
Speaker 5: I was a little nervous about that one. But with
Speaker 5: that one, we were only about ten feet off the
Speaker 5: ground maybe, And I mean we were strapped into something
Speaker 5: so I could trust in the cloth right three three
Speaker 5: strands time?
Speaker 1: Guess what you're on the side of a semi trust ma'am.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I was scared over cements versus you
Speaker 1: know what it was? It was a it was there
Speaker 1: was a competitive nature to that one also, like going
Speaker 1: against somebody else having a very clear like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: have a mission that I can focus on. I'm going
Speaker 1: from here to here. I'm trying to slap these things,
Speaker 1: like all the little technical parts of what you.
Speaker 5: Needed to do, and the fact that you had opposition.
Speaker 5: It gave me something else to focus on. And once
Speaker 5: I got comfortable in my highness, you know, the second
Speaker 5: time for me, it was actually fun.
Speaker 1: The first time was a little scary until I got
Speaker 1: used to it. The second time it was fun. But
Speaker 1: this is like, it's you and you You're choosing to
Speaker 1: run and jump off of a platform into the Croatian Ocean,
Speaker 1: which is cold, and it's already cold and rainment. So
Speaker 1: it's like, there's nothing about that that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think the coldest elevated people's fear of it?
Speaker 1: Toy like? Yeah, Like it.
Speaker 3: Was actually freezing.
Speaker 2: They had production running over to us putting towels one
Speaker 2: in between.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw those jackets, y'all looked like Hogwar.
Speaker 1: It looked like the additional school of Hogwar too out
Speaker 1: with those songs like capes on basically over your eform
Speaker 1: go back with listeners, go back and check go plus clause.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it looked like they were in Hogwart.
Speaker 6: But I'll say one thing because Toy did help me
Speaker 6: out of that challenge with her counting strategy because that
Speaker 6: first that first jump, it was a little hard and
Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know what I said.
Speaker 1: To you, but I was like, I'm scared. He was like,
Speaker 1: you want me to count, you know? And that got me.
Speaker 1: I am So were you guys counting and then just running?
Speaker 1: What were you doing? Were just like five, two, one go?
Speaker 2: And you can literally hear me saying go at the
Speaker 2: very first round that we do together. But ultimately listen, like,
Speaker 2: and I'm grateful you brought that up because I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to bring it up, like not going to steal
Speaker 2: shine on your win, and you did all the work
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: But what I will say is like, you know you
Speaker 3: don't Mikayla.
Speaker 2: You are truly and I have said this throughout the
Speaker 2: season of this podcast, you were truly one of the
Speaker 2: best female competitors, if not the best, on this season.
Speaker 2: You have an unbelievable athletic ability. Why would I not
Speaker 2: want to try to beat you at your best? And
Speaker 2: you know, like, there's no way I'm beating you in
Speaker 2: a long jump. Weren't you like a didn't you do track?
Speaker 2: Like you're a beast and high jump like oh well, no,
Speaker 2: wonder okay, like you you know, like you don't want
Speaker 2: to see somebody who's who's who? This is her time.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see him go out like that.
Speaker 3: I'm a competitor, like, if it's my thing, I want
Speaker 3: to shine on my thing.
Speaker 1: Oh we saw that a couple episodes, Tory, when you
Speaker 1: snuck off and didn't give Sebastian the answers. We definitely saw.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, Mikayla, it's so bad. Not only
Speaker 1: is she not give the answers. When she figured out
Speaker 1: one of them, she slowly steps back into the water
Speaker 1: and tells the group nothing mind you. They had all
Speaker 1: agreed beforehand that they would tell each other. She slowly
Speaker 1: sat up and then just disappears into the way.
Speaker 2: I guess everyone was mad at me, but I needed
Speaker 2: to win that in order to leverage to not be
Speaker 2: thrown in this week.
Speaker 3: So literally it all happens the way I had to hope.
Speaker 1: I will say, something I noticed, is, Mikayla, when you
Speaker 1: did uh, it wasn't when you. It was when Tory
Speaker 1: lost the round against you. So it's before you like
Speaker 1: won one and it was when you were crying the
Speaker 1: round where you were just really like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to run, and then you finally did and you got
Speaker 1: the thing. You see Tory in the water cheering with
Speaker 1: such excitement when you grabbed the baton, which is really
Speaker 1: cool those moments of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I felt that way the whole time, like
Speaker 5: you know when I hesitated to jounp that one time,
Speaker 5: Dandy and Tori in the water with cheer, and then
Speaker 5: the guys on the other side were when I was hesitating,
Speaker 5: people were yelling you, yeah, TJ trying to tell me
Speaker 5: I'm at times, but no I'm not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was waiting for TJ to say that time.
Speaker 1: Thing when you won, I actually cried damn you, like
Speaker 1: because there was just a moment of you pushing through
Speaker 1: that fear that was so beautiful and I know will
Speaker 1: resonate with so many people because everyone gets scared of
Speaker 1: something and so you pushing through it multiple times and
Speaker 1: then just seeing how like if they had cut out
Speaker 1: the part of you crying, we would have never known
Speaker 1: the struggle because you made it look easy.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: When you grab the baton, you made it look easy,
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is such a story for
Speaker 1: kind of life. Social media things like that, you see
Speaker 1: people achieving these great things and you kind of go, oh, well, damn,
Speaker 1: they're doing that, and they make it look easy, but
Speaker 1: you don't know the internal struggle that happened on the inside.
Speaker 1: Not that we're going to church today, but that really
Speaker 1: like it was a really special moment and a well
Speaker 1: deserved win. And I also have to say, of all
Speaker 1: the people we've had on the podcast this season, so
Speaker 1: many have come on and said, Mikayla is a threat,
Speaker 1: MICHAELA is a force, like your name has come. We
Speaker 1: haven't like delved into it because so far in the
Speaker 1: season we haven't gotten to see that much. But so
Speaker 1: many challengers who were there put so much respect on
Speaker 1: your name. They totally made up for what Kells and
Speaker 1: everybody else to you because you are forced to reckon.
Speaker 7: Answer my oh, I can't oh all things happen because
Speaker 7: we haven't seen kills back since.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, next question, So sorry that just took my
Speaker 1: breast away for a moment. We're gonna take a quick break,
Speaker 1: but don't worry, we'll be right back after this. So
Speaker 1: everybody coming into this episode is kind of disliking Chris,
Speaker 1: right because we see Chris doing some craziness in the
Speaker 1: past episode where he's clearly again like in this episode
Speaker 1: throwing his survivor teammates under the bus, he kind of
Speaker 1: looks a little weak. It's a whole mess. But then
Speaker 1: this week we get to see a bit of a
Speaker 1: softer side, right, Like we get to see his feeling,
Speaker 1: his feelings of insecurity, his feelings of inadequacy from just
Speaker 1: other things in his life. How did watching that make
Speaker 1: you feel? I felt like Chris maybe has taken some
Speaker 1: acting classes, and it just doesn't it doesn't strike me
Speaker 1: as as genuine, Like when I look when I listen
Speaker 1: take away, how hard he had to squeeze his eyes
Speaker 1: for the tears to come out, and I just listen
Speaker 1: to the words he was saying. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this reminds me of when I walked on to a
Speaker 1: sports team in college and I practiced hard and didn't
Speaker 1: get to play. That's because you weren't at the level
Speaker 1: of the coleted athlete. That's not a life challenge, that's
Speaker 1: not a hardship. That means that the bar is here
Speaker 1: and you are not there. Like nothing happened to you
Speaker 1: in that moment.
Speaker 5: So I do believe that at this point in the
Speaker 5: game he likely felt very alone and stuff, but that
Speaker 5: was based on his own doing, and I think it
Speaker 5: was all his little scheme and whatever he was doing
Speaker 5: in the background.
Speaker 1: I think that was catching up to him. But I
Speaker 1: I saw so much in the first part of the
Speaker 1: game that it is difficult for me to trust the
Speaker 1: that he is the victim of something. But I can
Speaker 1: believe that. You know, it's lonely when you isolate yourself,
Speaker 1: when you stab so many people in the back and
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be around you like that, Yeah that
Speaker 1: feels lonely, and you're missing your wife and your kids
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, that feels lonely. But that's called consequences
Speaker 1: of your actions. I would feel very lonely if I
Speaker 1: did those same things too. So if those were Chris's
Speaker 1: real feelings, great, but they're genuinely times like I'm like,
Speaker 1: you must be a paid actor because this is very
Speaker 1: this is very bolded and beautiful and beautiful.
Speaker 2: Do you think that, Like, you know, obviously Chris, your
Speaker 2: feelings on him are pretty clear, But what do you
Speaker 2: think about Michelle throwing Cassidy's ball into the hopper during
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 1: That makes me wonder why Cassie is so focused on
Speaker 1: the strong girl alliance because her bestie buddy, her best body,
Speaker 1: and Michelle played that so well in her commentary. By
Speaker 1: the way, Michelle was cracking me U, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie because she was like, Cassidy is focused on that
Speaker 1: strong girl liance and pretty sure I'm not. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's those moments that flying under the radar is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was always my strategy, like you're like good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't look at me like great. No. First of all,
Speaker 1: I love Michelle's confessional they are funny. I have to
Speaker 1: give her, I have to give her credit. One thing
Speaker 1: I'm not is a hater. I'll tell you about yourself
Speaker 1: all day, but when you do something good, I'm bragg
Speaker 1: on you. You know.
Speaker 5: I don't resonate with the way that she plays a
Speaker 5: lot of times I think sometimes she does unnecessary stuff.
Speaker 5: And again, there are times where if you're working with well,
Speaker 5: this is how I work.
Speaker 1: If I'm working with people and the situation gets a
Speaker 1: little hairy, I want to find a way to protect
Speaker 1: my group. My first thought is not when you throw
Speaker 1: darts and cut the legs out of my own people,
Speaker 1: and I'll just fear that tomorrow. Yeah, that's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a different style of moving and that's where me and
Speaker 1: Michelle don't all but I think it's go ahead. Well,
Speaker 1: so I hear your point on that about like you
Speaker 1: feel like Michelle when things get a little rickety, she
Speaker 1: kind of goes into how do I protect self preservation mode?
Speaker 1: Very quickly, right, and like how do I throw the
Speaker 1: alliance to the team. But Desi kind of made a
Speaker 1: statement where she felt like you were considering the same
Speaker 1: thing in this episode when you were considering voting in
Speaker 1: toy because it seemed that Tory kind of grouped you
Speaker 1: all together despite your differences, as you know, the Strong
Speaker 1: Girl alliance, if you want to call it that, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell my kids it was Destney's child because
Speaker 1: by when you were running to do that e limit
Speaker 1: that daily like the pose, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: Desney child. But anyway, so, but Desi felt like you
Speaker 1: were potentially doing the same thing by breaking the truths
Speaker 1: or whatever that you guys had all kind of agreed
Speaker 1: to with Tory the day before. How do you differentiate
Speaker 1: between that move and what Michelle tends to do great
Speaker 1: questions very easy.
Speaker 5: Michelle's alliance would Cassidy started before the game started. Okay,
Speaker 5: this let's work together thing, that was less than twenty
Speaker 5: four hours. That was words only, right, So that's the difference.
Speaker 5: And for me again, I'm going to evaluate all options.
Speaker 1: I will talk through things.
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean I'm sold on something just because I bring
Speaker 5: it up, like I'm bringing it up to get your
Speaker 5: thoughts and opinions. But it's not selfish for me to
Speaker 5: think through the options. It's it may be a reflection
Speaker 5: of like her fear right when she goes into when
Speaker 5: she gets nominated. Let me take the smallest person, even
Speaker 5: though it's cutting on my team and Amanda. My ball
Speaker 5: didn't go on Amanda, even though Amanda's ball with on me, right,
Speaker 5: because I saw value and Amanda staying in the game.
Speaker 1: I don't care if she was a vet or not, right,
Speaker 1: So you know that was a at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, there's there's everybody's going to look out for
Speaker 1: their on it. To some degree, my consideration of Tory
Speaker 1: wasn't about like who she gonna go against. It was, hey,
Speaker 1: this is how the math works. On the girl's side
Speaker 1: of this chest. Somebody gonna have to go. Somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: go in. One of us gonna end up in. Whoever
Speaker 1: us is not willing it is gonna end up in.
Speaker 1: Might will bite the bullet early or find a way
Speaker 1: to push it so the numbers are in our favor early,
Speaker 1: then wait till the end and potentially we go against
Speaker 1: each other. That that was the mindset. So you know
Speaker 1: that's myself. It's just if you scared, say you scared,
Speaker 1: that's my selfishness. You scared that you might end up
Speaker 1: against Tory. That's what it is. I mean, elimination. So
Speaker 1: many tips. Wait, you were giving tips? Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: now we can't let the Johnny go out like this.
Speaker 1: You got the don't be kick, You got the no
Speaker 1: that she can't breath, she can't fight like And now
Speaker 1: we understand why Michayla went to hair pulling in that
Speaker 1: she's different.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: She is, she is true, she's she's just she's built
Speaker 2: for it. You're either built for it and or you're not.
Speaker 2: And she's just one of those players that just is. Like,
Speaker 2: no matter who goes up against Mikayla and anything, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a dog fight.
Speaker 3: Bro strategy is good. It will get it will hopefully
Speaker 3: keep you out of.
Speaker 2: Elimination when it when it turns into a dogfight with MICHAELA, it's.
Speaker 3: A straight up dog fight.
Speaker 1: Like basically, if you're going to be on a challenge
Speaker 1: and you're listening to this podcast as you should be,
Speaker 1: start building an alliance with Mikayla next. I don't know
Speaker 1: what season y'all are gonna be on together, but just
Speaker 1: it's good in your best interest, build it now so
Speaker 1: then you can call back on that time you brought
Speaker 1: her a Starbucks or whatever, be like, remember girl in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, I did that, so please numbo me in.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, now, why do you think Cassidy
Speaker 1: had so many balls in the hopper? Cause she's going
Speaker 1: very simple, you know, you know sometimes you know.
Speaker 5: Like like like Josh putting the ball on West, it
Speaker 5: hurt its feeling so much you really had to.
Speaker 1: Think about it. Contemplate people were going in on like Cassidy.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't see a bitch cat. But mckayl literally
Speaker 1: just like threw her phone like it was just a
Speaker 1: quick vote, okay, Like and that's that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's who did I make Castie? No
Speaker 1: made it. Listen, that's why I didn't want to nominate Cassie.
Speaker 1: Now we be in hotest because Casside the easiest person
Speaker 1: to get the balls. But if you think you said that,
Speaker 1: we think you said that then so that.
Speaker 5: That was my thought process, Like if you you want
Speaker 5: to if you're really trying to think a step into
Speaker 5: a head and protect people that maybe are going to
Speaker 5: protect you, you just got to think about, Okay, who
Speaker 5: can my people be?
Speaker 1: And then also like what is the house most like
Speaker 1: me to do? Curiosidy, what's the house most like to do? Tyler? Wait?
Speaker 1: Why do everybody hate Tyler? Now? At this point, by
Speaker 1: the way, and by the way, his curls were also
Speaker 1: beautiful in this episode. Just have to shout out Tyler's hair.
Speaker 1: But why why did everybody vote for Tyler? Tyler is
Speaker 1: so nice and so sweet and he is just the
Speaker 1: most chill presence him, answered Basian, I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: justliked Tyler and Sebastian those types of people.
Speaker 5: He just got vote because he didn't really have any strategy,
Speaker 5: no connection. He was just there, you know, for a
Speaker 5: long period of time. And then next thing, you know,
Speaker 5: all the Big brother girls were gone because for whatever reason,
Speaker 5: they thought it was smart to go against the Saviva
Speaker 5: girls in the elimination.
Speaker 1: So then they got decimated. And then it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Tyla's got the least connections in the house. That's easy.
Speaker 1: He can't do anything about it. And so he just
Speaker 1: ended up in that situation because he wasn't being proactive
Speaker 1: or thoughtful in the beginning or middle of the game.
Speaker 1: But I think trying to be been his relationship Michayla.
Speaker 1: He was trying to wipe somebody out on the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: going down the wrong road. You foked on the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: You got three six, five days a year to get
Speaker 1: some get some lady parts. Oh god, getting the lady
Speaker 1: parts in the challenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it definitely distracts people.
Speaker 1: I can say that from experience. Say, Toy, do you
Speaker 1: know anything, Well, Mickayla, what did you think about Tory
Speaker 1: and Sebastian's relationship in the house. First, Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: be an. I was like, now, Sebastian, you didn't watch
Speaker 1: the show right these guard your heart, buddy. I know
Speaker 1: you're a little fisherman in the sea, but you don't
Speaker 1: know about that one.
Speaker 5: But over time I would just be watching him and
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait a minute, y'all actually kind of like
Speaker 5: each other.
Speaker 1: And then it was so cute. I just thought it
Speaker 1: was a cute at saying, so I just leave peep
Speaker 1: in and then he cuddling, and then he would tell
Speaker 1: me like we haven't kissed yet, but I'm working on it.
Speaker 1: She's making me weight, and I'm like, oh, she's got mortals, dude,
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 3: I was like you said, I have been around the ring.
Speaker 1: I was not trying to just jump in again.
Speaker 2: And again he was really sweet, like Sebastian, Like you said,
Speaker 2: he was one of those people that has a legitimate
Speaker 2: heart of gold. Like but Michael would walk by us
Speaker 2: all the time and she'd be like, you're gonna end
Speaker 2: up barefoot and pregnant, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, or a bad thing. I don't know what
Speaker 3: that means.
Speaker 1: It is not a good thing. Don't think because your
Speaker 1: ankles are swollen because you have been pregnant. Back to bag,
Speaker 1: that's what that means. I don't want swollen feet. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I feel like I'm gonna dream about that tonight,
Speaker 1: and not by my own way. I feel like you
Speaker 1: just you got married. You married, I did, I did.
Speaker 1: You don't be barefoot and pregnant. You take that, get
Speaker 1: the away from me, Satan, Nope, absolutely not. I have
Speaker 1: a fur dog, a fair child that is fifteen, and
Speaker 1: that is good enough for me. Well, I'm more likely
Speaker 1: to go back to a challenge than I am to
Speaker 1: have a kid. So and that that's a lot. What
Speaker 1: was it like? Also? I said that about doing reality TV,
Speaker 1: that I would never do it, and then look what happened.
Speaker 1: So let me just yeah, not talk. What was it
Speaker 1: like watching the two eliminations both of you guys that day?
Speaker 1: And how long? I mean, I guess we knew it
Speaker 1: was timed, but it felt like it went by so fast,
Speaker 1: Like it felt like both of those were pretty like
Speaker 1: over instantaneously. What was it like watching it? Thank you? Okay?
Speaker 1: I would say, wait, yeah, wait, hold is its Big
Speaker 1: Tea leaving? Yeah, Big Tea, come here, Big Tea? Like
Speaker 1: taking the podcast? How are you? Thank you?
Speaker 3: How are you fa good?
Speaker 1: Good? Duh? You look lovely? What are you up to?
Speaker 4: Just often make acts of mind jealous and have dinner
Speaker 4: with them?
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. I love that for
Speaker 1: you looking so fabulous, Big Tea. Our house cooking going.
Speaker 4: It's going really well. I made seventy eight dumplings last night.
Speaker 4: I was up to like in the morning just literally
Speaker 4: just like sharping up my skulls and then hopefully going
Speaker 4: to be a personal shaft.
Speaker 1: So that's the Oh my gosh. I love that. We
Speaker 1: are cheering for you all the way, Big Tea. Now
Speaker 1: you know that, Okay, So I know that Michaela staying
Speaker 1: at your house in London right now, right she's saying
Speaker 1: her place and so you heard. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you heard about how she is when it comes to alliances,
Speaker 1: but you have to build it early. Are you letting
Speaker 1: Michaela stay at your house now so you guys have
Speaker 1: a strong alliance for when you compete together again on
Speaker 1: a challenge. Absolutely, I mean she did it. I said
Speaker 1: to her, welcome to the UK alliance. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it very smart, always someone it's normally just
Speaker 1: me and Kyle and that alliance, so.
Speaker 3: I'm also I.
Speaker 1: Love it so much. I was looking at clips of
Speaker 1: Aftermath yesterday for something, Big T and I came across
Speaker 1: all the clips of you, including one of you just
Speaker 1: playing a grand piano and then another one of you
Speaker 1: eating snacks in the middle of the recording. So great.
Speaker 1: We love you, we miss you, We cannot wait to
Speaker 1: see you back on our challenge screens.
Speaker 4: I miss you guys as well, and hopefully I podcast
Speaker 4: of you guys without.
Speaker 1: So good. I love you guys. Bye.
Speaker 4: I'll see that.
Speaker 3: My face hurts from smiling.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm sure that you always all laughs. Like
Speaker 1: to be a fly on the wall. I want to
Speaker 1: be at that slumber party because I am sure it
Speaker 1: is just last nonsense and really good food. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Big TV cheffing it up. Sorry mcade. So does this
Speaker 1: mean you would never vote Big T in because you
Speaker 1: guys have a stronger you have an official UK alliance.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Lord has in store. You
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 3: Listen if you heard it here. Mikayla needs actions before
Speaker 3: she as so. I think that this is something that
Speaker 3: will have to wait to see. She wants to see
Speaker 3: the ruthlet. She wants the proof in the pudding.
Speaker 1: In the pudding. Yeah, Michaela, we know what your strategy
Speaker 1: was around the voting and who you why you wanted
Speaker 1: to put vote Alyssa in so because you figured the
Speaker 1: house of built Cassidy in, but we didn't really get
Speaker 1: to sees who did you actually want to come back
Speaker 1: into the house, between both the guys and the girls
Speaker 1: to come back, I wanted she wouldn't be in a
Speaker 1: position to do anything about being thrown in, like so
Speaker 1: it's not like she would have come back with a
Speaker 1: vengeance or anything like that. But I liked Lissa. She
Speaker 1: was pleasant. I knew that we weren't aligned with each other.
Speaker 1: I didn't trust her from a gameplay perspective, but personality wise,
Speaker 1: we were in the same room. She's cool. I know,
Speaker 1: she like Tyler. You know. Yeah, so I like to listen.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to do with her winning, but you know,
Speaker 1: and for the guys, did you want to see come back?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been mad if Wes would have came back,
Speaker 1: to be quite honest, Like, I didn't have anything to
Speaker 1: do with throwing him in. And I feel like at
Speaker 1: that point in the game, like again, everybody had to shift.
Speaker 1: So I was at a place with the guys that it's.
Speaker 5: One girl winner and one guy winner. And at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, I think every guy's fear is
Speaker 5: getting to a fine on them being dragged down by a.
Speaker 1: Girl if it happens to be a pair of situation.
Speaker 1: So in an end, I was happy about going to
Speaker 1: individuals instead of teams, and I had no aims on
Speaker 1: the guy side. I wanted to just make sure not
Speaker 1: to create any problems. So most of the time I
Speaker 1: let the guys pick the guys and just left it
Speaker 1: that back, you would have run a final with any
Speaker 1: of the guys, basically you be happy to yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 2: I did find interesting from from this episode and going
Speaker 2: to the last one, the last episode FESSI. This is
Speaker 2: the first time Fesse gets in power and I'm sitting
Speaker 2: with him and he has conversations in the house saying
Speaker 2: he would go big, he would put a Wes or
Speaker 2: Bananas in if he had the power.
Speaker 1: But I was in the power with him.
Speaker 2: But then this time around, he has the power and
Speaker 2: you're with him, and he still doesn't throw into West
Speaker 2: or Bananas. I'm like wondering when that shift happened. I'm
Speaker 2: wondering if he was the one that got in Josh's
Speaker 2: ear to.
Speaker 1: Say Wes's name.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what I'm wondering, Like, because you see a
Speaker 2: whole different approach his gameplay has a different approach this week,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, where where was the ship?
Speaker 1: Very interesting?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm like, or was he just saying that
Speaker 3: to Chris right, I think.
Speaker 1: As a shield shield last week and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not voting big because Tory that's the only reason
Speaker 1: why this. Yeah, he had more of the power. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think That's conversation.
Speaker 5: With me was very genuine, And I think from how
Speaker 5: I saw people moving, Josh was the one moving sturdy
Speaker 5: from the beginning. He had some type of relationship with
Speaker 5: just about everybody, so it was just amount of time
Speaker 5: before he was going to turn on somebody because he
Speaker 5: had relationships with everybody. So I don't think his idea
Speaker 5: came from Bessie at all. I think that was genuinely
Speaker 5: Josh's idea.
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know Josh deep deep deep,
Speaker 1: but I like the bit of Josh that I know
Speaker 1: of him outside of the game.
Speaker 5: And I genuinely don't think his decision to vote in
Speaker 5: West was like an attack at West. I think it
Speaker 5: was him thinking, so like, this is the best chance
Speaker 5: I've got to get to a final. I want this
Speaker 5: to be my season, this is this is my focus,
Speaker 5: and it just came to a point where he did
Speaker 5: what he felt like was best for his game, right,
Speaker 5: and it hurt a personal relationship, like it was just
Speaker 5: a choice that he made. But he doesn't have to
Speaker 5: make that choice anyway, because who of the men? Who
Speaker 5: of the men is there besides Tyler who gets thrown
Speaker 5: in all the time, and at this point, like who
Speaker 5: is there? Who's there that he doesn't have relationship with Corey?
Speaker 1: That's fair, yeah, and that eventually is gonna start happening
Speaker 1: right where it just you get smaller and smaller, and
Speaker 1: that's really you know, yeah right, yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: attributed to. That's just the space of the game. And
Speaker 1: all his friends left, so he got turned on somebody. Right,
Speaker 1: Do you guys think Wes is really retired? No?
Speaker 3: Me either, And like I'm saying that hoping that he's not.
Speaker 2: So like same, like listen, I get it go, like
Speaker 2: you know, but I feel like everybody everybody who.
Speaker 3: Said they retired, see T had a moment. I know
Speaker 3: that there's other challengers. They always fucking come back eventually.
Speaker 2: Like not always do not always You're back in some capacity,
Speaker 2: but then you want.
Speaker 1: To podcast, you do the aftermath. Yeah, they were like,
Speaker 1: we'll keep her clothing. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You're still in the world, Devin, You're still in the world.
Speaker 1: That's true. I am still in the world. And look,
Speaker 1: I know first and private school in Kansas City is expensive.
Speaker 1: So Wes having a baby is all the more reason
Speaker 1: why he needs to come back to the challenge. But
Speaker 1: but if it is his last time, it was beautiful
Speaker 1: seeing him sort of say it's farewell and hearing TJ
Speaker 1: call him an icon and sort of like acknowledging all
Speaker 1: that Wes has contributed to the game, which is great.
Speaker 1: I do hope he comes back, and I think it's
Speaker 1: Tiffany said it best recently on the podcast that it
Speaker 1: really is like that toxic X and you were like,
Speaker 1: I am done with this relationship. I have learned and grown,
Speaker 1: and then they call you back and you're like, you
Speaker 1: know what, they seem different, Maybe we should give this
Speaker 1: a shot and then and so it's hard for people
Speaker 1: to stay away, I think for that very reason. So
Speaker 1: hopefully we will get to see some more of Wes.
Speaker 1: I also want to know because Mikayla, you are definitely
Speaker 1: not short of strong perspectives. Cassidy's speech I saw Chanelle
Speaker 1: making a face. I saw I think Michelle making a face.
Speaker 1: I saw Desi making a face that Desi even said
Speaker 1: Cassidy always got some words. When Cassidy did her speech
Speaker 1: at the end of elimination, what are your thoughts about
Speaker 1: Cassidy saying, Hey, there's some girls who haven't been down
Speaker 1: there like they need to come down. They see me
Speaker 1: as weak. Speak on that a little bit, if you will.
Speaker 1: Cassidy's speeches. Why Cassidy get balked? She need to learn
Speaker 1: how to be quiet and sit down. You didn't even
Speaker 1: say quiet, You said, can you put the emphasis back
Speaker 1: be quiet?
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, becquired, it's a requirements to close your mouth.
Speaker 5: But that's just it's just a it's just a reflection
Speaker 5: of not reading the room. It sounds good on TV,
Speaker 5: but we gonna we y'all saw the preview the next
Speaker 5: y'all saw the preview, say coming home next time on y'all.
Speaker 1: We had to do that in my first season the challenge.
Speaker 1: Actually pretty sure that wind still smells like olive oil
Speaker 1: to this day. It was a hot ass mess. It
Speaker 1: definitely got my ass kicked in it. So yes, I
Speaker 1: know that's gonna be fun to watch, not fun to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah so so so, probably you won't be making speeches
Speaker 5: before you got to get.
Speaker 1: Feel you have to have a lot to bat. I
Speaker 1: feel like the speeches really only work well for two
Speaker 1: types of people, and correct me if I'm wrong, ladies.
Speaker 1: I feel like the speeches work well for people who
Speaker 1: really don't care if they win or lose, like kind
Speaker 1: of almost have no expect there's no expectations on them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they're just kind of
Speaker 1: talking because they know whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Or the people who know they're almost impenetrable, like they
Speaker 1: can talk, they line up one by one and they
Speaker 1: will systematically kind of like taking it like a Laurel right,
Speaker 1: like a Laurel in her prime can say whatever and
Speaker 1: has said with ever and then we'll just look at
Speaker 1: you with no emotion, and you comes up to her
Speaker 1: and it's like gone right. But then you see other people,
Speaker 1: even really strong competitors, who just go in compete. They
Speaker 1: make mental notes, but they don't say anything, even like
Speaker 1: a toy Toy runs her mouth in other ways, but
Speaker 1: she doesn't really say much when she goes in there
Speaker 1: and white people out. She just takes that mental note,
Speaker 1: absorbs it and goes back. And so it's interesting when
Speaker 1: people who don't have the legs to stand on a
Speaker 1: Cassidy and Amanda, and I think Amanda does it for
Speaker 1: entertainment honestly too, but like do a lot of talking
Speaker 1: without you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, Also to give to Ca Cassidy some credit, she
Speaker 2: just came out of her second elimination with you know.
Speaker 1: She did, but it involved patchwork and not saying it
Speaker 1: wasn't hard. But as someone who personally doesn't like eliminations
Speaker 1: and didn't ever want to go in and has never
Speaker 1: actually had to really compete in an elimination, out of
Speaker 1: that record, you know, I always go would I walk
Speaker 1: away from that or would I be like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know what, like I'm gonna give it a go. Now.
Speaker 1: I was worried about people touching people's faces because that
Speaker 1: was my first thought, Oh, they're going to claw somebody's
Speaker 1: face or knock somebody's face. That was my first concern.
Speaker 1: But it seems like production may have said don't do that,
Speaker 1: because nobody did that. I did that behind the scene,
Speaker 1: Oh did they We didn't see them? Well, we didn't see.
Speaker 2: Like when yeah, I mean it wasn't it like they tried.
Speaker 2: There was moments of like straight up beard gripping though.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I thought Wes's face was going to
Speaker 2: be pulled off. I was nervous.
Speaker 1: Yes, we heard that, but you know, like the cat
Speaker 1: claws in the face, like I was somebody gonna get
Speaker 1: caught out. But otherwise that that particular elimination looked fun.
Speaker 1: But I mean I was like, okay, that all right,
Speaker 1: two rounds, Like all right, like let's we can do that. So, yes,
Speaker 1: she's coming off an elimination. And not to take away
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 5: But like yeah, and I would say, I get what
Speaker 5: you're saying to because like a win is a win,
Speaker 5: and I believe that a win is a win.
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying to Devin.
Speaker 5: It's like like me, I won against Tiffany in basketball.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, like a win was a win. But you
Speaker 1: can't really come out of it, right, No, you got
Speaker 1: to humble yourself be like a whole right, it's not
Speaker 1: like you came or the thing that who was even
Speaker 1: let Manty and Tyler right where he still has the
Speaker 1: scars on his body from the harness so long from
Speaker 1: holding onto that or like some of these old school ones,
Speaker 1: like when it was what Naya and Carl Maria and
Speaker 1: she there, that was like a two hours long digging
Speaker 1: in the sand, Like that is something where you could
Speaker 1: be like, hey, the other ones is a win for sure,
Speaker 1: but maybe not a win that warrants a speech. People win. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: but I guess sometimes you get what you asked for.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's gonna get what she asked for. That's not
Speaker 1: a two for next week and the rest of this season,
Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: I think that, and I think that the rest of
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this season's been the best season
Speaker 2: I've been a part of it a long time, just
Speaker 2: entertainment wise, Like there's so many great characters on it,
Speaker 2: like so many just great personalities, so much great competition.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I think that next week is definitely going to be
Speaker 2: brutal and from here on out, like it's just gonna
Speaker 2: it's just gonna get stickier and stickier, like it's an
Speaker 2: epic season. But Mikayla, is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to leave the podcast with before we let you go?
Speaker 2: We don't want to take up too much more of
Speaker 2: your time. And uh, where can we follow you on
Speaker 2: social media?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: You can follow me at the michaela Be. My profile
Speaker 1: is private because I have a job, but as long
Speaker 1: as you're not a hater, I might and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will say I've enjoyed this season. It's been very
Speaker 1: interesting to like watch things back and see how things
Speaker 1: are going. But I'm I'm very happy also because.
Speaker 5: I feel like I was myself the whole time, and
Speaker 5: I think it can be so unnerving doing this type
Speaker 5: of stuff because you are playing a game, but you
Speaker 5: also are a human who has a life outside of
Speaker 5: the show, and it's like it's very easy to lose
Speaker 5: yourself in these environments.
Speaker 1: So I just appreciate that, you know, we're able to
Speaker 1: have our little I didn't have no paper, but I
Speaker 1: have a little religious books and I was able to
Speaker 1: get my Bible reading on and just having that center
Speaker 1: was very helpful for me. But also just being able
Speaker 1: to have a second chance and do this again, particularly
Speaker 1: at this point in life, was very helpful because the
Speaker 1: first time I played, I was physically in the most
Speaker 1: amazing shape, mentally a hot mess, and actually watching myself
Speaker 1: get eliminated. It reinvigorated me because I realized, like everybody
Speaker 1: sees me as this big threat, and on the inside,
Speaker 1: I feel like people like a sheep. And it started
Speaker 1: this process of just reclaiming my mind and my emotions
Speaker 1: and getting back on track. And I feel like this season,
Speaker 1: this is me with my mind intact. My body was
Speaker 1: actually the worst it has been. I was in a
Speaker 1: car accident before I was on the show, so most
Speaker 1: people like you saw me tour running around the house
Speaker 1: like every day. I had heat and pack ice pack,
Speaker 1: I had stretchy bands, I had everything. I was never
Speaker 1: running on a treadmill or anything. Like. The whole season
Speaker 1: was about conserving my physical energy as much as possible,
Speaker 1: doing what I need to do when I need to
Speaker 1: do it, but really trying to use my brain to
Speaker 1: keep me from having to use my body all the time.
Speaker 1: And that's because I like my body wasn't in the
Speaker 1: best shape. So I'm happy that there's ways for people
Speaker 1: to play differently. And it's kind of like like, even
Speaker 1: like a person like Big T, even even though I'll
Speaker 1: deal with Cassidy, I don't. I don't do the whole
Speaker 1: thing calling people weak. I think she's annoying and this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: yours you can have a strength in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways that can advance you in this game. It doesn't
Speaker 1: just have to be being good enough at a challenge
Speaker 1: to win a daily you gotta win an elimination. Preaching
Speaker 1: to the absolute choir, I was never known for being strong.
Speaker 1: And two finals, two finals completed, so I'm too so
Speaker 1: h mind over physical? Uh? Mind over? Yeah, mind over
Speaker 1: a lot. And the Little Prayer had a lot of
Speaker 1: things that helps. I did that too. It helped because
Speaker 1: God knows, we are so excited to see you back
Speaker 1: in action and to get to chat with you and
Speaker 1: to see how this game plays out. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: say you've cemented yourself as a challenger and also too
Speaker 1: coming in. You know, with the girls, we saw the
Speaker 1: glimpses of you. We did see in the early episodes.
Speaker 1: We saw such organization and steadfastness with the rookie girls,
Speaker 1: particularly the Survivor girls in targeting the vets. Now, the
Speaker 1: vets were like cockroaches. They kept coming back. But I say,
Speaker 1: of all the seasons we've had where there's been a
Speaker 1: large number of rookies. This is hands down the most
Speaker 1: impressive and the most organized we've ever seen rookies go
Speaker 1: at and unified at targeting vets sort of fearlessly. So
Speaker 1: props to you. Props to you Desi Chanel for remaining
Speaker 1: intact in Cassie. And I'm excited to see you know
Speaker 1: what comes of this season and when you and Big
Speaker 1: T are on a season together, because that'll be hilarious
Speaker 1: as hell to watch. So I also can it'll be funny. Well, look,
Speaker 1: I appreciated this has been fun and yeah, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to being the episodes tonight and the rest of them.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you again in the future.
Speaker 2: Yes, hopefully we get season three from mikaylat.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask Corey how he's missed the Weekly because
Speaker 1: somebody need to pay my bills. No, no, Devin, you
Speaker 1: a matchmaker. I am. That's my last note, Devin. Now
Speaker 1: you know my personality a little bit in the free database. No,
Speaker 1: I need more than that. Wait, I'll get you. I'll
Speaker 1: give you my number.
Speaker 3: I'll give you my number, girl, I need more than that.
Speaker 1: We'll get you in the free yes, girl, because we're
Speaker 1: in doubt. You're in Dallas, right, Yeah, plenty. I just
Speaker 1: need the right one, all right, right line, thank you,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll work all right, thank thank you have
Speaker 1: that in London. I yaill bye. Oh girl, that was hot.
Speaker 1: I knew it would be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I really respect the way she just just
Speaker 2: she just goes for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I think I'm i she has
Speaker 1: the makings of one of those like future unstoppable challengers.
Speaker 1: I think she is the one. Uh huh for sure.
Speaker 1: You better get on that alliance, Tory. I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: working on it a little, yes girl, yes girl. All right.
Speaker 1: So while you're working on your Mikayla alliance, where can
Speaker 1: others follow you and see everything else you're working on?
Speaker 1: Including your children's book? Where can they find you on social?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: You guys can follow me at Tory Underscore Deal. Just
Speaker 2: click the link in my bio. We'll connect you to
Speaker 2: everything that I'm working on, all my little fun projects.
Speaker 2: And yeah, obviously you can see us on the challenge
Speaker 2: and listen to us on the podcast.
Speaker 3: But Devin, where can they follow you?
Speaker 1: You guys can go to my website, Devin Simone. That's
Speaker 1: Den with y Simone with an i dot com. Scroll
Speaker 1: to the bottom. You will see my socials there. You
Speaker 1: can also follow me on my Amazon store and then
Speaker 1: when we go live, we can chat back and forth
Speaker 1: in real time. We can shop and have fun together.
Speaker 1: You can just google Devin Simone Amazon, it'll come up
Speaker 1: the stores called Devinsmone's Gift Closet. I should know that
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