Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to will gay f Daily
Speaker 1: with Meet Your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,
Speaker 1: Today's conversation with our faith in house doctor, doctor Jonathan
Speaker 1: Metzel is one that I think is needed. We are
Speaker 1: living at the intersections of so many causes for anxiety,
Speaker 1: for worry, for stress, and I don't think that we
Speaker 1: are talking about these issues like mass shootings happening multiple
Speaker 1: times a week and you know, temperatures being recorded in
Speaker 1: places that are well above or below normal, that we
Speaker 1: are really talking about the fact that people, our lives
Speaker 1: have been upended since twenty nineteen, and what that really
Speaker 1: means as a collective right, not just on an individual basis,
Speaker 1: and that we're looking and searching for things to bring
Speaker 1: us stability and make us feel quote unquote normal, whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck that looks like. And so today it's conversation
Speaker 1: with Jonathan kind of moves in the same way that
Speaker 1: my conversation last week with Jennifer Tobb did, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, how are we all really doing and what
Speaker 1: are the methods in ways that we can deal with
Speaker 1: the very real reality that there's a lot of incredibly
Speaker 1: wild shit that continues to happen, and it feels some
Speaker 1: days that you're trying to walk through a Category five
Speaker 1: hurricane right and head to work right like that's normal,
Speaker 1: and just be able to continue to go about your
Speaker 1: regular day to day as if there is in catastrophe
Speaker 1: literally lurking around every corner, at every gas station, at
Speaker 1: every dance studio, at every school, place of worship, what
Speaker 1: have you. And so we get into a really good
Speaker 1: conversation also about a documentary that I watched called Take
Speaker 1: Your Pills XANAX on Netflix that is about this trend
Speaker 1: in numbing and how it has risen over the past
Speaker 1: several years by astronomical numbers. So coming up next, dear friends,
Speaker 1: my conversation with our good, good doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am
Speaker 1: always thrilled because we have so many issues that are
Speaker 1: facing the country, Jonathan. And you know, as everyone was
Speaker 1: alerted over the weekend, New York Times ding ding over
Speaker 1: everyone's phone. Even though I try not to watch the
Speaker 1: news and take a little bit of a break, mass
Speaker 1: shooting takes place, killing now eleven people in California before
Speaker 1: we can even get the names down of the people
Speaker 1: that have died in that tragic mass shooting, another mass
Speaker 1: shooting happens in California, killing seven people. And in the
Speaker 1: midst of all of that, I'm trying to really understand
Speaker 1: how we are all managing and coping with the times
Speaker 1: that we are living in. And so I found myself scrolling,
Speaker 1: you know, through Netflix, looking at documentaries because that's what
Speaker 1: I do on Netflix, and I came across one called
Speaker 1: Take Your Pills zanex and you know, it's a whole
Speaker 1: documentary about the rise of zanex. Use the you know,
Speaker 1: it talks about COVID, it talks about anxiety with Generation C,
Speaker 1: it talks about all of these things. And so I
Speaker 1: just like, are we missing the conversation, which is the correlation, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: between what we are being forced to consider as normal
Speaker 1: in our society, in our day to day and then
Speaker 1: the availability of prescription drugs that are essentially meant to
Speaker 1: numb and that is what people need in order to
Speaker 1: get through. Like, are we missing We're having all of
Speaker 1: these separate conversations and I'm asking, are we missing the integration?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's just think of the moment we're living in.
Speaker 1: We're living in a state of such constant stress, and
Speaker 1: it was always the case, but the pandemic has really
Speaker 1: brought this, I think, into the light in a way
Speaker 1: that I think we just have never coped with before.
Speaker 1: You know, I teach this big class COVID and society,
Speaker 1: hundreds of students in the class, and the first exercise
Speaker 1: we always do is I asked them go back to
Speaker 1: your pre pandemic self, whoever that was, and tell yourself,
Speaker 1: then something you know now that you didn't You didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Wow. Like percent of the students will say
Speaker 1: life as much, you know, life and change or end
Speaker 1: for you or somebody you know, or for society. So
Speaker 1: just before, like I just think people, I think people
Speaker 1: really feel like the students often say, we just took
Speaker 1: so many things for granted before, and not that it's
Speaker 1: just COVID, but you know, think of all the things
Speaker 1: we've had happened since COVID, George Floyd and war and
Speaker 1: all these other things, and it just feels like there's
Speaker 1: just stories and what we do, what we do as
Speaker 1: a species to protect ourselves. A lot of times in
Speaker 1: the face of this, which is we habituate, we normalize,
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we've done. And so just the
Speaker 1: amount of stress. I just feel like we were living
Speaker 1: in a way that just wasn't aware of mortality in
Speaker 1: a way that I think the pandemic really brought it
Speaker 1: into focus. And some people responded to that by storming
Speaker 1: the capital. Some people responded to that by wanting to
Speaker 1: hang Fauci or blame China. Some people responded that more
Speaker 1: many more people responded to that by just internalizing this
Speaker 1: kind of sense of existential dread. And so I just
Speaker 1: think that we're living in a moment where like life
Speaker 1: can change at any moment, and the pandemic it's not
Speaker 1: just oh, it's just because of COVID by itself, it's also,
Speaker 1: you know, it just feels like things are happening. And
Speaker 1: I see this even with these mass shootings that you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's like it didn't get the media attention it deserved,
Speaker 1: and it didn't get the media attention it deserved, but
Speaker 1: then there was another mass shooting like the next day.
Speaker 1: But also it's just that we're living with this kind
Speaker 1: of sense that something can happen in any moment, and
Speaker 1: I think that that is really really profoundly taking its
Speaker 1: tool on people and the mental health world for all
Speaker 1: that it's been trying to do, just cannot conceivably conceivably
Speaker 1: keep up with that, you know, talk to me about
Speaker 1: the fact that we are all collectively experiencing the fact
Speaker 1: that anything can happen at any moment, can change at
Speaker 1: any moment. Because you know, many people would say, well,
Speaker 1: that's life, right, like you can get hit by a car,
Speaker 1: you can you know, somebody can have a heart attack
Speaker 1: and drop dead. What is it that is unique to
Speaker 1: the experience that we are having now that has us
Speaker 1: all at this place of what I am saying is
Speaker 1: high alert, right, Like this high alert which is causing
Speaker 1: this high anxiety that never abates. And so how is
Speaker 1: that different? And I think that your question is a
Speaker 1: really good one. So if you could dig in between
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, right and and and just and and I'll
Speaker 1: move us not to twenty twenty, but twenty nineteen to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three where we are, how is it, you know,
Speaker 1: and how is it different than our understanding of mortality
Speaker 1: and how that has shifted. It's not just consciously paying
Speaker 1: attention to like life and death. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a global sense. And I would just ask people watching this,
Speaker 1: like do that exercise yourself. And it's not just about
Speaker 1: oh I feel like I could die at any moment.
Speaker 1: It's also think of all the other attitudes that have
Speaker 1: changed as a result of just the knowledge that there
Speaker 1: could be a global pandemic or that we're seeing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've we've had so many mass shootings. It's January. We're
Speaker 1: averaging like the highest number of mass shootings ever in
Speaker 1: recorded history. Um right now, like one point six mass
Speaker 1: shootings a day in this country. That all the you know,
Speaker 1: Russia invading Ukraine up ended the kind of social contract
Speaker 1: that we've had in place for many people's lives since
Speaker 1: World War Two about national borders et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So it was just a moment, and it's
Speaker 1: also a moment where a lot of bad guys seem
Speaker 1: to be winning. You know, a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are fascists who would have been marginalized in in not
Speaker 1: just in the US kind of voices, but you know
Speaker 1: orbon and Nitan, Yahoo and on down. So we're just
Speaker 1: seeing the rise of kind of a It just feels
Speaker 1: like a dark force. You know, in general, that is
Speaker 1: kind of a moment where kind of the safety nets
Speaker 1: of having neighbors and communities just doesn't feel quite as
Speaker 1: safe as it dating twenty nineteen, and so I would
Speaker 1: ask people, and maybe, you know, you could argue the
Speaker 1: other way, like, oh, maybe I appreciate my community more,
Speaker 1: or my colleague here at work started like growing chickens
Speaker 1: in his backyard and has we discovered farming and right
Speaker 1: now not a bad thing to have, like eggs for free.
Speaker 1: But so maybe it's the other thing that I would
Speaker 1: just ask people to do that exercise, right and to
Speaker 1: think about what attitudes have changed. And it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be about welcome death. I mean think about how
Speaker 1: different we might feel about work or about travel. I
Speaker 1: am in my head as I'm talking, as we're talking,
Speaker 1: like doing it. So I'm just like, I should just
Speaker 1: say it out loud because one of the you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, a lot shifted in my own
Speaker 1: personal life and in the world in general between twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen and now. But one of the things that as
Speaker 1: that has shifted but then continues to vacillate is my
Speaker 1: relationship to work. Right where I know, and people will
Speaker 1: laugh at this now, but like I used to work
Speaker 1: even more than I do now, Like it was just
Speaker 1: there was no there was no downtime, there was no
Speaker 1: off ramp. It was just the consistency of being a
Speaker 1: hamster on a wheel all the time with the pandemic
Speaker 1: afforded for me and also my mother's illness in having
Speaker 1: a benign brain tumor, was you know, the recognition of
Speaker 1: there is other things that are important, right, and like
Speaker 1: life is actually really fleeting and what am I racing
Speaker 1: to get to right and missing in you know, in
Speaker 1: the intrem and I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: have had that feeling right, And then what comes out
Speaker 1: of that is these terms like quiet quitting and the
Speaker 1: great resignation? Or is it that people recognize? And this
Speaker 1: is funny, Jonathan. The other day, I see this meme
Speaker 1: and it's been like it's gone viral since. Which is
Speaker 1: the lie of midlife and what that age actually is?
Speaker 1: Because if the average person, I think it, and it's
Speaker 1: an average white person, because I believe that it's like
Speaker 1: seventy for black people. But if the average person lives
Speaker 1: to be seventy eight, which is what I think, that
Speaker 1: life expectancy is now, then midlife is actually thirty six.
Speaker 1: So if mid so if mid if midlife is actually
Speaker 1: like thirty six or thirty seven. And we're talking about
Speaker 1: working until retirement age, which is sixty five, you are
Speaker 1: only actually affording yourself twelve years before you die, right,
Speaker 1: And how we have this warped kind of how we've
Speaker 1: had this warped kind of sense and relationship to rest,
Speaker 1: to ease to work and to leisure and family and
Speaker 1: all of these things, and how people are kind of
Speaker 1: pulling back and saying, wait a minute, what if the
Speaker 1: fuck am I actually doing? And think of the irony, right,
Speaker 1: because now the Republicans are, for example, in these in
Speaker 1: what it's going to be a ridiculous debt ceiling crisis,
Speaker 1: they're not just trying to get like social Security and Medicaid,
Speaker 1: but they're trying to push back the retirement age. And
Speaker 1: so it's just weird that, I mean, again, these are
Speaker 1: all these are all meta fights, right, but it's just
Speaker 1: weird that we're pushing back the retirement age at a
Speaker 1: time when like life expectancy is going down. So it's like,
Speaker 1: are you guys not seeing what's happening here? Like, but
Speaker 1: they do. But I think like they do, right, Like
Speaker 1: they do see what's happening. They don't. It's the fact
Speaker 1: that they don't care, right, Like people are just parts
Speaker 1: to be replaced, like pieces of a car that don't
Speaker 1: work anymore, right right, It's in a way it just
Speaker 1: fits into this narrative that we're telling here about the
Speaker 1: kind of disposability of life, which is such a deep
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, we didn't I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: a forum that used to be great called Twitter, and
Speaker 1: now it's just full of random crap for the most part.
Speaker 1: But I've been scrolling through just really for the Jonathan
Speaker 1: k Part soul Train video clips in the morning and
Speaker 1: for like random music video clips. Somebody there's this little
Speaker 1: guy who's saying, ain't nobody going to break my stride?
Speaker 1: And it was like a music video and everybody was
Speaker 1: like dancing and doing all this stuff, and I just thought, like, man,
Speaker 1: the eighties were so great, like we had no cares
Speaker 1: in the world, like you know, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: we just live in a very heavy time right now.
Speaker 1: It's not like we're doing soul Train or music video.
Speaker 1: I mean we are maybe or something like that, but
Speaker 1: it's just there's nothing. There's nothing outside of politics right now.
Speaker 1: There's nothing outside of this anxiety. Even when we try
Speaker 1: to create those spaces, it's kind of what it feels
Speaker 1: like a lot of times. And so no wonder people
Speaker 1: are taking a XANX or whatever. It's not like that's
Speaker 1: a issue. And you know, maybe this will lead to
Speaker 1: some societal changes one hundred years from now. Maybe the
Speaker 1: old structure that we have put in place here just
Speaker 1: wasn't working, or maybe countries with like I mean, strong
Speaker 1: strong men are going to come out ahead and dominate
Speaker 1: everybody else and we're back to like Attila the Hun
Speaker 1: and Genghis Khan days or something. Who knows, But it
Speaker 1: does feel like our planet is in the middle of
Speaker 1: a kind of transformation right now, and it's just hard
Speaker 1: to it's a hard scope to understand. But it's just
Speaker 1: not I guess what I'm saying is like it's we're
Speaker 1: beyond a therapy issue, even though people should get there
Speaker 1: for right, great, but they're bigger forces and so people
Speaker 1: shouldn't feel like they're crazy for feeling and subtled all
Speaker 1: the time. But that's like I want to stay on
Speaker 1: that for a second, because that's the thing is that
Speaker 1: I've been having. You know, last last week I had
Speaker 1: on UM my friend author and podcast Sir Jennifer tub
Speaker 1: and we ended up having what was not at its
Speaker 1: core a political conversation, which is what I was having
Speaker 1: her on to talk about white collar crime and all
Speaker 1: of these things, and it ended up being a are
Speaker 1: you okay? You know conversation, And what we pulled out
Speaker 1: of that was just like, actually, no, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing all of the things that I
Speaker 1: should be doing, meditating, working out, going on walks, connecting
Speaker 1: with family and friends. But if I actually drilled down, no,
Speaker 1: I actually don't feel okay. I feel deeply unsettled. I
Speaker 1: feel deeply unnerved. I feel a deep sense of worry
Speaker 1: and dread. And so if we know that so many
Speaker 1: people are saying and feeling that, and my therapist says
Speaker 1: the same thing, She's like, no, no, like, I see
Speaker 1: more people now, and it's more conversations about the collective,
Speaker 1: the collective experience and not just these individualized like issues.
Speaker 1: So then what, like, what is the way to feel
Speaker 1: better if we don't want to pop xanax because nobody
Speaker 1: wants to, like, because we're seeing the effects of what
Speaker 1: has happened for this long standing practice of just prescribing,
Speaker 1: prescribing prescribing. Then it has increased addiction, and then suicide
Speaker 1: rates go up, and it's just like we're in this
Speaker 1: awful fucking tornado. Well, I mean, I can just say
Speaker 1: psychiatry has been put in a position of being asked
Speaker 1: to treat issues that it only just to say it
Speaker 1: doesn't even scratch the surface of what's happening as an understatement.
Speaker 1: So certainly, I think anybody who needs help should get it,
Speaker 1: and there are mechanisms for help, and I do think
Speaker 1: therapy and medication in the right instance can be really important.
Speaker 1: But I would also say that therapy is not a
Speaker 1: treatment for like global geopolitical angst. You know, we just
Speaker 1: got to what we're feeling right now, um, And so
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, I think you're exactly right that, like,
Speaker 1: for example, the Great Resignation, it's almost a way of
Speaker 1: people saying in the old ways not working for me anymore,
Speaker 1: and I need to like pay attention. But then then
Speaker 1: what is working that kind of it's kind of the right,
Speaker 1: and and it's very unsettling, Like our world was built
Speaker 1: on a series of relationships that we just took for
Speaker 1: granted about supply chain and the flow of goods and
Speaker 1: information and safety that have just been shown to be
Speaker 1: much more fallible and kind of up for grabs than
Speaker 1: we ever realized. And so I just think that it's
Speaker 1: just causing different kinds of responses, and in a way
Speaker 1: it's on the flip side, I think it's also why
Speaker 1: you're seeing more people gravitate toward politicians who, I mean,
Speaker 1: try floating some one of these fascist dictators. Ten years ago,
Speaker 1: people would have just said, you know, no, we we
Speaker 1: vote for society for the most part. I mean not
Speaker 1: that that as in the case. But now people want dad,
Speaker 1: they want protection, they want to feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So in a way, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not surprising that we're seeing a return to a
Speaker 1: kind of like strongman strongman politics that I think is important.
Speaker 1: And I also really think it's important to be honest
Speaker 1: for Democrats to pay attention to in terms of what
Speaker 1: they're going to be up against in twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: with the way the GOP is going to play this,
Speaker 1: which is, you know it's going to be maybe Trump
Speaker 1: but de Santis and Pompeio and all these guys who
Speaker 1: kind of fit the mold of this deep need right
Speaker 1: now of like need somebody bossy to kick the acid
Speaker 1: of their side and protect us. And not saying the
Speaker 1: Democrats should like run a fascist white guy of their own,
Speaker 1: but I would say that they should be prepared for
Speaker 1: the kind of arguments that worked in twenty twenty not
Speaker 1: to work in twenty twenty four. I'm listening to everything
Speaker 1: that you're saying, and I'm like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is absolutely right, Like this is why you It's it's
Speaker 1: like you're walking in the desert and you're just looking
Speaker 1: at the mirage and you're going to as in my
Speaker 1: favorite movie, the American President said, you will. You know,
Speaker 1: people are so desperate for leadership that they will drink
Speaker 1: the sand right like, And that is that is what's happening.
Speaker 1: That is what maga is, that is what Trumpism is,
Speaker 1: that is what global fascism is about. It's that I
Speaker 1: feel like I have no control over my own life,
Speaker 1: over my own happenings, and maybe somebody from on high
Speaker 1: can get control and put things back in order in
Speaker 1: a way that makes sense for me. And also if
Speaker 1: somebody can't do that. You hate them, right, you despise them.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you, I'm saying you're in general and
Speaker 1: so weak. It's not a moment for like weakness. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and the Israeli left did not understand this. They thought
Speaker 1: that democracy was going to hold and it was a
Speaker 1: grave miscalculation. The elections, you name it anyway, anywhere this
Speaker 1: is happening, you know, India, Hungary, Pakistan. I mean it's
Speaker 1: a moment where people are kind of gravitating toward we
Speaker 1: want the protection of a feudal lord. And so for
Speaker 1: Democrats they should be thinking, like, is Biden that person
Speaker 1: right now? Who's going to be able to stand up
Speaker 1: to that? Or should they find I don't know, but
Speaker 1: what does But like, in all honesty, what does stand
Speaker 1: up to that? Look like you're talking about a you're
Speaker 1: talking about a collective global sense of lack of control, access,
Speaker 1: you know, safety and all of these things. What is
Speaker 1: the opposite of that? It isn't so if if if
Speaker 1: the right is about restoring the good old days of
Speaker 1: Jim Crow and the good old days of of of
Speaker 1: patriarchy and women being you know, shackled to their stove
Speaker 1: in their kitchen, with mother's helper in their in their
Speaker 1: apron If that is the good old days that they
Speaker 1: are harkening back to, that people are gravitating to white
Speaker 1: people are gravitating to, then what is the alternative because
Speaker 1: it's not the we're all in this together and like
Speaker 1: can fix it, because that's what Obama offered. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think a very clear counter narrative that has a very
Speaker 1: clear direct plan that is material and direct. Me, that
Speaker 1: would be my sense. I'm not a political strategist in
Speaker 1: any way, but I would just say that I would
Speaker 1: just say that it's just interesting with Maga, right, I was,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this all that recently, Like it
Speaker 1: was just some crap Trump made up like in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: right or whatever, and it's become like a moniker for
Speaker 1: a movement that it's just weird that maga is still
Speaker 1: even a phrase, right. I Mean, it was just some
Speaker 1: stupid stuff in the hat and when we first all
Speaker 1: heard it, we were like huh, you know, And now
Speaker 1: it's like the Maga movement is a term that's used
Speaker 1: all the time right to describe this, and so the
Speaker 1: Democrats kind of need a brand right now that that
Speaker 1: I think counters it, but has some kind of clearly
Speaker 1: articulated vision. You know, if we could, um, you know,
Speaker 1: resurrect General Norman Schwartz Coop or somebody like that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I like, I'm failing to see
Speaker 1: what the what the brand is to combat global anxiety
Speaker 1: and fear that is actually steeped in real shit. Like
Speaker 1: the difference between MAGA and the collective anxiety that people
Speaker 1: who live on Earth one are facing is the the
Speaker 1: implosion of Earth climate change that is like out of control,
Speaker 1: mass shootings that are happening like every like multiple times
Speaker 1: a week. You know, inflation that is out of control.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the grocery store and everything is up
Speaker 1: by you know, by five and six and seven percent, right,
Speaker 1: So like these are real concrete things that are out
Speaker 1: of control that you don't actually have control over. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know what the counter argument is to
Speaker 1: one that says I alone can fix this, and you
Speaker 1: just wanting the eye a lone person, even if you
Speaker 1: know that they're full of shit. You want to be
Speaker 1: lied to in this moment. And the thing with Democrats
Speaker 1: is that we don't actually lie in that way. They
Speaker 1: lie about other things, but they're not going to lie
Speaker 1: to you about the reality of the situation and say
Speaker 1: all is going to be okay. And if people want
Speaker 1: to be lied to, right, because the alternative is like
Speaker 1: either I numb myself with xanax or I numb myself
Speaker 1: with the lies of Trump. No one wants to feel
Speaker 1: the reality of what this moment is. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: but what we know what this moment is in terms
Speaker 1: of this, right, we know that people are looking for paternalism, right,
Speaker 1: this is a profoundly paternal moment. We know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of populist anger about inequality, income inequality, so we
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of uncertainty, so people are wanting
Speaker 1: to direct answers. We know there's a need to build
Speaker 1: structures reward cooperation and disincentivized competition. And so it's not
Speaker 1: like we don't know the script right now. And I
Speaker 1: would just say that recognizing what the script is would
Speaker 1: be like the first step toward trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to how to repute that. I mean, of course
Speaker 1: we're not going to run our own Trump, but I
Speaker 1: do think again, it's just really incumbent to not say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Biden beat Trump in twenty and therefore he can beat
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty four. It's it's really a different
Speaker 1: world right now. I mean, it is a profoundly different
Speaker 1: world right now than it was in twenty twenty. And
Speaker 1: so just recognizing this is I think a first step
Speaker 1: toward just trying to figure out and it's not just
Speaker 1: about Democrats winning. Obviously, we're talking about the globe right now,
Speaker 1: and really this is all going to end up. And
Speaker 1: maybe this is you know the movie Mars Attacks or
Speaker 1: all the all the movies where like society gets turned
Speaker 1: down and then people rebuild it, or you know, who
Speaker 1: knows where we're going? Who knows where we're going? I
Speaker 1: mean again, I've I told you before, Like think about
Speaker 1: the guy in year three of the Hundred Years War
Speaker 1: who said, man, finally this thing's coming to an end,
Speaker 1: but only history. You know, there's ninety seven more years, dude.
Speaker 1: So it feels like what at the beginning of some
Speaker 1: big transformations right now about resources, about the planet, about power,
Speaker 1: and so just that uncertainty. And I think the most
Speaker 1: important point, going back to your first point, is that
Speaker 1: people not feel gasolate by this, that it's okay to
Speaker 1: feel uncertain right now because there are forces that are
Speaker 1: acting on us that are different than they were in
Speaker 1: the Jonathan k Part Soul training clips where people could
Speaker 1: just boogie on down and have a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's where we are living in extraordinarily wild times. And
Speaker 1: I think that the best thing that our conversations have
Speaker 1: been able to offer, Jonathan is that you're not alone
Speaker 1: in feeling crazy and feeling scared and concerned. That there
Speaker 1: are a whole host of people that are feeling exactly
Speaker 1: the same way and acknowledging it and talking about it
Speaker 1: is part of like unpacking it to not feel like
Speaker 1: you're carrying that weight alone, Jonathan, as always, this is
Speaker 1: what this is turning into when I'm feeling a type
Speaker 1: of way. I appreciate you so so very much. Dear friends,
Speaker 1: stay safe, take careybody. That is it for me today,
Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke f as always, power to the
Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and
Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.