Speaker 1: Look out. His only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a boost bart and I love film. As
Speaker 1: Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, for every minute you are angry,
Speaker 1: you lose sixty seconds of happiness, which is actually what
Speaker 1: the subtext to the Nick Cage Angeline, the Jolie film
Speaker 1: Gone in sixty Seconds was about the cars they were stealing,
Speaker 1: where actually people's joy. It was surprisingly deep that film,
Speaker 1: when you think about it. That's a good point, Ralph
Speaker 1: Waldo Emerson. It doesn't get the credit it deserves. Every
Speaker 1: week I invite a special guest over. I tell them
Speaker 1: they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life
Speaker 1: through the films that meant the most of them. Previous
Speaker 1: guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Jamila Jamil and even
Speaker 1: Bed Crambeles. But this week it's the amazing actor a musician,
Speaker 1: Ben Barnes. Head over to the Patreon at patron dot
Speaker 1: com forwards slash Breck gold Steam, where you geting next
Speaker 1: to twenty minutes of chat with Ben. We talk about
Speaker 1: beginnings and endings. He tells me an amazing secret. You
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Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slash
Speaker 1: Breck Golds Team ted Lasso Season two is now available
Speaker 1: in full on Apple TV Plus. You can watch the
Speaker 1: whole thing in one go. Plus you can see Soulmate
Speaker 1: season one on Amazon Prime watching both. Why not a
Speaker 1: bit of fun in it? So Ben Barnes, All Ben Barnes,
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? No, I'm not. He's really here. Ben
Speaker 1: Barnes is a brilliant actor. You know him as Prince Caspian.
Speaker 1: You know him from Westward, from The Punisher, you know
Speaker 1: him from Shadow and Bone. He's also a singer. He's
Speaker 1: got his own album out Songs for you. You should
Speaker 1: listen to it. It's fucking great. We recorded this on
Speaker 1: Zoom about a four week ago, and I've never met
Speaker 1: him before. Ah. We had so much fun together. He
Speaker 1: was so brilliant. I really think you're gonna love this one.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. I very much hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy episode one hundred and sixty nine of Films
Speaker 1: to Be Buried with Hello and welcome to Films to
Speaker 1: be buried with it is I Brett Goldstein, and I
Speaker 1: am joined today by an actor. He's a west Welder.
Speaker 1: He's a shadow and boner. He's the principal of Narnia.
Speaker 1: I think he is a man from Sutton and he
Speaker 1: now lives in la He's a hero to many, a
Speaker 1: legend to most, and also he's fit. Please welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, the brilliant mister ben Burns. You you you
Speaker 1: said Bono. Within thirty seconds of this, that's the quickest
Speaker 1: I've got to it. It's over. I did have a
Speaker 1: thought that you know, groups of fans of shows often
Speaker 1: have have names, and I toy died the idea of
Speaker 1: calling them my shadow and Bonus. But then I I've
Speaker 1: resisted the urge to even say that until this moment.
Speaker 1: That's the first time I said it, because you did it.
Speaker 1: It starts here, the shadow and it was a very
Speaker 1: nice thing. You've got to be the Shadow and Bonus.
Speaker 1: I would be loud and proud of that. You're going
Speaker 1: to get the credit for that. Now. I'll take it
Speaker 1: on the Twitter. I'll take it. Yeah. You deserve it,
Speaker 1: no regrets, you deserve it. Thank you man. It's lovely
Speaker 1: to have you this is the first time we've ever met. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so far, it's going great, it's going very I appreciate
Speaker 1: you doing this now. I I've been aware of you sometime,
Speaker 1: Ben Bars. You worked with friends of the podcast, Will
Speaker 1: Porter in Prince Caspian. Yeah, and one of my best
Speaker 1: one of my best pals. He just took me. It
Speaker 1: took me out actually for a lot of really lovely
Speaker 1: birthday dinner. Mine not his eyes, and he's about fifteen still,
Speaker 1: but it was He's a lovely, lovely, lovely, lovely man.
Speaker 1: That's a lovely man. But then you know what I
Speaker 1: was what I mean, Look, I've seen you a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. You're a very good actor, but you do
Speaker 1: something that I really really like, and you did it
Speaker 1: in Westworld, which is I think it's very brave. You
Speaker 1: play like a bad type, a bit of a bad
Speaker 1: type in West World, and I think you do it.
Speaker 1: You're very sort of charming in it, but you also
Speaker 1: don't at all shy away from the like really unpleasant,
Speaker 1: sort of sleazy, sort of unattractive parts of that character.
Speaker 1: And I always think that that's really I don't think
Speaker 1: a lot of actors do it. I think it's really cool.
Speaker 1: And really brave because you're not protecting yourself as a
Speaker 1: You're not sort of like, there are people who play
Speaker 1: bad guys, but they play them like yeah, but you
Speaker 1: love them because they're so charismatic and fun and cool,
Speaker 1: like you allow in the parts that are like no,
Speaker 1: he's genuinely unpleasant as well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty brave. I like it. Thank you,
Speaker 1: that's really nice. I've sort of found myself as a weird,
Speaker 1: odd little niche in the last sort of five or
Speaker 1: six years are playing these people who are slightly reprehensive
Speaker 1: or either that they're sort of psychotic or evil or
Speaker 1: villainous or just or just guilty of just general douche baggery.
Speaker 1: But but and I don't, and you're right, and I never,
Speaker 1: I never. I've also, I'm fully aware of how incapable
Speaker 1: I am of making character particularly kind of like cool
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but I will I do. Whilst
Speaker 1: whilst I'm not afraid of the like of the like grim,
Speaker 1: gross parts of it, I am quite protective of the
Speaker 1: humanity of them, because I'm quite a sort of quite
Speaker 1: a soft, hopeful, desperate to be happy kind of person.
Speaker 1: And so I think that that gets a little bit
Speaker 1: infused into all of those characters. And like you described
Speaker 1: on Westward, when they asked me to come back for
Speaker 1: a second season and it was it felt like such
Speaker 1: a privilege to be asked to sort of scratch away
Speaker 1: at the character a bit and look at his I
Speaker 1: know it sounds a bit I was raised by psychiatrist
Speaker 1: and psychotherapists, but a little bit scratch away his relationship
Speaker 1: with his with his dad. You see his relationship with
Speaker 1: his dad, and you peel away the onion a bit
Speaker 1: and you see why he's so fucked up and why
Speaker 1: he's behaving like such a knob all the time to everyone,
Speaker 1: and because there are always reasons, always, and those things
Speaker 1: really interest me. I love that. Let's look, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what what we're always trying to do on ted Lasts.
Speaker 1: It's that thing of it, and it's when you're a
Speaker 1: bad guy. Almost never thinks they're a bad guy and
Speaker 1: they think that they're doing so yeah, and you play
Speaker 1: play all that. I just think it's great, But I
Speaker 1: also I think I'm trying to think of examples. I
Speaker 1: don't want to name it. I don't want to name
Speaker 1: in shame, but I can. I can think of people
Speaker 1: who play bad guys, and you're you're almost like you're
Speaker 1: not a bad guy. You're just fucking great, Like you're
Speaker 1: just so entertaining and like it's you're you're not allowing
Speaker 1: that character to be ugly. I suppose, whereas I think
Speaker 1: you do, you do that as well as all the
Speaker 1: charm and everything. Anyway, that's my open handmail to you,
Speaker 1: to your face. That is from my section fan mail.
Speaker 1: Do you not do that? You? You you are playing
Speaker 1: something which is entirely lovable from start to finish, even
Speaker 1: though that's not what it's supposed to be on the page.
Speaker 1: And you can't help it. You can't help it at all.
Speaker 1: And now and now suddenly everyone in the world wants
Speaker 1: to hug you like Teddy Bear, and this makes you uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: So maybe we've revealed how limited my abilities are. So
Speaker 1: Ben Burns, you live in la You've lived here ten years,
Speaker 1: I believe, and yeah, coming up on that, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: do you feel at home here? Is it still wild?
Speaker 1: How much of this? Because you how old were you
Speaker 1: when you did Prince Caspian? I was about twenty five,
Speaker 1: and that was like the biggest thing that happened. I
Speaker 1: thought you were good and that was like quite a
Speaker 1: long time ago to your face. No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah, yeah, you were doing maths. Yeah, quite right.
Speaker 1: I will never tell. Yeah, I'm very comfortable here. I
Speaker 1: do miss my friends and family, and you know, just
Speaker 1: in London, I missed that a lot, but also very
Speaker 1: lucky to have a kind of sort of lifestyle and
Speaker 1: job which takes me on adventures and takes me, you know,
Speaker 1: keeps me interesting and and you know, I think at
Speaker 1: least half of the time I'm not sort of at home.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a particular kind of lifestyle
Speaker 1: which I never imagined for myself and would certainly not
Speaker 1: curate if I did anything else for a living on purpose.
Speaker 1: But I do love that it is part of my life.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you this and we again, if you
Speaker 1: don't want too, we can cut it. Before we started
Speaker 1: recording this podcast, you tell me something that was very
Speaker 1: interesting to me, you said, I said, is there anything
Speaker 1: you're worried about talking about? And you said something like,
Speaker 1: I used to worry so much about that stuff, and
Speaker 1: now I'm very happy to talk about myself. And I
Speaker 1: wondered what had happened to lead you to that, if
Speaker 1: I may so, I think I think it was a
Speaker 1: combination of things, but it was I think, very very
Speaker 1: early on, I had some quite aggressive interactions with with
Speaker 1: with press, you know, doing sort of basically nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: a few plays and bits and pieces, and then and
Speaker 1: then doing them the Nannia films, and suddenly people I'm
Speaker 1: interested in you in your life. And I remember having
Speaker 1: this conversation when I was about twenty five, and the
Speaker 1: journalist sort of said to me, you have to answer
Speaker 1: these kinds of questions if you want to do this
Speaker 1: for a living, and I, at twenty five, full of vim,
Speaker 1: said no, I don't. I can keep anything I want
Speaker 1: to for myself. And I still fervently believe that in
Speaker 1: that sort of freedom of choice, but it sort of
Speaker 1: it tightened me and closed me off a bit to
Speaker 1: feel a bit defensive. I think when talking about stuff,
Speaker 1: and I've I've done so many years of you know,
Speaker 1: just sort of just by virtue of the way film
Speaker 1: and TV interviews work. I think as well, like you're
Speaker 1: being asked about characters and things that you didn't necessarily right.
Speaker 1: But I think what happened was I think the pandemic
Speaker 1: sort of kicked in, and we all spent a year
Speaker 1: in a bit sitting around wondering what kind of people
Speaker 1: we want to be and where we fit in if
Speaker 1: we're not allowed to do the things we do on
Speaker 1: a regular basis and don't have the things that we
Speaker 1: have to look forward to regularly to keep us on
Speaker 1: the wheel and facing forwards, and who do we care about?
Speaker 1: And what do we care about? And I wrote a
Speaker 1: lot of music in that time, and it was something
Speaker 1: I'd wanted to do for about twenty years. I'd started
Speaker 1: to do it about twenty something years ago and it
Speaker 1: had fallen apart. And I've done it as part of
Speaker 1: my career all the way through. I've always kind of
Speaker 1: done that, but always in someone else's voice. I think
Speaker 1: I've always even when I was a kid at school,
Speaker 1: I did snarchs attribute concerts and Stevie Wonders, Soul Nights
Speaker 1: and things like that, and I would love it so much.
Speaker 1: And then in my films, I've played street buskers, Americana
Speaker 1: folk street buskers, and I played a crap rock star
Speaker 1: in in a in a comedy, singing sort of like
Speaker 1: new Romantic stadium rock crap. But it was never met me,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's just the clock ticked down
Speaker 1: on having to make something of my own that was
Speaker 1: that was sort of me that I haven't played. It's
Speaker 1: sort of obvious to sort of think, well, if you
Speaker 1: spend twenty years pretend to be other people, at some
Speaker 1: point you're going to want to do something that's yours.
Speaker 1: But I hadn't really thought about it until the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and then I wrote a sort of collection of songs
Speaker 1: which show I've just released, and it's sort of it's
Speaker 1: sort of freed up the style of interview the way
Speaker 1: I've been talking about it, people asking me about me,
Speaker 1: not about you know, sort of sordid details of your
Speaker 1: life or anything, but just interested in me and what
Speaker 1: it takes to make something from myself and that and
Speaker 1: that really like just sort of freed me up to
Speaker 1: be the most to feel sort of the most me
Speaker 1: I could feel, which I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: felt a bit, particularly during the pandemic, felt a bit
Speaker 1: floaty and disconnected and all of that. I think most
Speaker 1: of the people that I know felt a little bit
Speaker 1: dis associated for a lot of it. And and so
Speaker 1: I think I'm just sort of trying to relish feeling
Speaker 1: like me again a bit that is really interesting, And
Speaker 1: I've just remembered something which makes this sort of big
Speaker 1: revelation you've had and this feeling of freedom a sort
Speaker 1: of a shame, because I forgot that I should have
Speaker 1: told you. I should have told you before I listen
Speaker 1: to you. You've died. You've died, so listen. Good that
Speaker 1: you had that feeling of freedom very very briefly. But
Speaker 1: in this moment, now, in this very dead I am dead. Well,
Speaker 1: I've just dis well. Like I said, I actually found
Speaker 1: out a while back, and I forgot to tell you.
Speaker 1: You are, in a way the grim Reaper. How did
Speaker 1: you die? Well? It being the case that I've listened
Speaker 1: to your podcast before, and I know that in about
Speaker 1: an hour's time, you're going to make it try and
Speaker 1: sound as grim and disgusting and foul as possible. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna challenge you that's not my vibe. I'm gonna challenge
Speaker 1: you by saying the truth, which is that I hope
Speaker 1: that I died very peacefully and comfortably and old, surrounded
Speaker 1: by love loved ones squeezing my hand gently, or do
Speaker 1: I know you're going to say, I have to have
Speaker 1: died in this minute now. No, no, no, you you
Speaker 1: you you can die like this. This is taking place
Speaker 1: in this sort of timeless zone, so you can be
Speaker 1: as old as you want you. I would like to
Speaker 1: be one hundred, because when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: thought that's how would you live to Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: a letter from the queen and then and then loved
Speaker 1: ones around your bed and one of them squeezes your
Speaker 1: hand to death. One of them squeezes my hand to death. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's they love me so very much that they crush
Speaker 1: my fingers, which causes I'm not getting called into this
Speaker 1: lured into your quite I mean quite a horrific death,
Speaker 1: really squeezing and loving, and I barely noticed it, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I slipped off into the into the never after,
Speaker 1: is what I did. Do you worry about death, Ben Bands?
Speaker 1: I used to worry about death a lot. I was
Speaker 1: definitely that that kid who actually probably didn't didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it very much because it was it
Speaker 1: just feels a bit overwhelming, and I think it still does,
Speaker 1: even though I think through your life you obviously can't
Speaker 1: but have more experience with it and be exposed to
Speaker 1: it more and and and the reality of it your face.
Speaker 1: With the reality of it, that perspective is brought much
Speaker 1: closer to your to your face. But I still, you know,
Speaker 1: I still put it in the category of of sort
Speaker 1: of infinity and time and all those kinds of things
Speaker 1: that I will never have a handle on, and so
Speaker 1: it doesn't really serve me to think about it too much.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I probably a fearful I think
Speaker 1: of death. That's I'm a very I think hope. It's
Speaker 1: probably one of my defining characteristics in the one is
Speaker 1: the one thing you can't be hopeful. I can't find her.
Speaker 1: I don't seem to be able to find hoping. But
Speaker 1: I will say that there are things that along the
Speaker 1: way that have made me feel so much more alive
Speaker 1: that it sort of becomes and I know people have
Speaker 1: said this to you before, but it will becomes so
Speaker 1: much more pressure. It will becomes so much more pressures
Speaker 1: for the fact that you know it's did it's temporary.
Speaker 1: Do you do you imagine anything happening after you die?
Speaker 1: Somebody once I wish I could remember who, But somebody
Speaker 1: once said to me, what do you remember before you
Speaker 1: were born? And I said nothing? And they said, that
Speaker 1: doesn't stand to reason that you probably won't feel or
Speaker 1: know anything after you're gone, And that's to me so far,
Speaker 1: is the best argument that's been put forward. And I'm open,
Speaker 1: I'm open, but but do you know what I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about that. You know, obviously hate that one. I
Speaker 1: hate that there was nothing before so there's nothing after,
Speaker 1: because then I also think, yeah, but when you're born,
Speaker 1: like humans in particular are the least, you know, born
Speaker 1: with anything. The only thing they can do is find
Speaker 1: a nipple, right, that's literally all the babies. Yeah, giraffe
Speaker 1: is up and walking in fifteen minutes, and horse, Yeah,
Speaker 1: horses are carrying people raising their own kids by a week,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like yeah, yeah, so when
Speaker 1: it was yeah, so when you so when people say like,
Speaker 1: what did you know before you were born, it's like nothing,
Speaker 1: You didn't know anything because when you were born, the
Speaker 1: only thing you knew was find a nipple. So it's
Speaker 1: like when you died, you know a lot more by
Speaker 1: that point. So maybe this blank nothing this you're fully
Speaker 1: it's a lot more going on. That's my new theory
Speaker 1: I just come up with. Yeah, sorry, I'm still stuck
Speaker 1: on the on the sort of like the no more
Speaker 1: more of the sort of like main thrust of human
Speaker 1: existence to find the nipple, doesn't you know? I know
Speaker 1: people for whom that doesn't change very much as they
Speaker 1: go through life. I think absolutely doesn't. That's still. That's
Speaker 1: still is. Everything else is just sort of gravy around
Speaker 1: that in it. I've got count sweep and bans. There
Speaker 1: is a heaven and it's great and it's it's it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's got all your favorite it's
Speaker 1: got your favorite thing. And what's your favorite thing? Oh
Speaker 1: I think it's so yeah, I think it's guys, there's
Speaker 1: got to be music. Yeah, well then this, this heaven
Speaker 1: is filled with music. There's music everywhere, except doing screenings
Speaker 1: when it would be inappropriate. But there's music everywhere. You
Speaker 1: sit on music, you sleep on music. There's music in
Speaker 1: the trees, and it's lovely. Everyone's very excited to see you.
Speaker 1: They're all big fans, but they want to talk to
Speaker 1: about your life. I want to famous. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like comic. It's like welcome to the other after a
Speaker 1: quick photo. Oh yeah, okay, no one knows who the
Speaker 1: fuck you are. But so then you turn up you're
Speaker 1: a stranger. So people are like, who are you? Let's
Speaker 1: talk about your life through film? Oh yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: you're right as much better. The first thing they ask
Speaker 1: is what's the first film you remember seeing Ben Barnes?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? This was one of the ones
Speaker 1: that I struggled with the most to have one answer,
Speaker 1: because when people sort of say, oh, yeah, don't you
Speaker 1: remember your first time you ever ate a banana? Or
Speaker 1: I remember being born? Now you don't? You don't never
Speaker 1: remembers anything before they're about six, I reckon. So this
Speaker 1: was actually one I struggled with. I certainly remember sort
Speaker 1: of seeing the disneys of Sword in the Stone and
Speaker 1: Robin Hood and all that very early on, and the
Speaker 1: Never Any Story and Flight the Navigator and The Labyrinth,
Speaker 1: those sort of like early quests. Early eighties things were
Speaker 1: very Those are definitely those, those are the ones that
Speaker 1: were around, but I couldn't put my finger on what
Speaker 1: the first one was, Like I remember, well, let's go
Speaker 1: with flatting and Navigating because you ever talks about that
Speaker 1: on here for a while. What a what a movie? What? What?
Speaker 1: I'll say? What an eighties movie? My favorite part of
Speaker 1: that of that film definitely was when he gets to
Speaker 1: space Camp and he goes to his room and this
Speaker 1: and there's all these like sort of NASA things on
Speaker 1: his bed. He's got the space man ice cub and
Speaker 1: he's got his jumpsuit and it's all like laid out
Speaker 1: in this like perfect way on his like perfectly made bed,
Speaker 1: and it's all he gets. Its basically a welcome pack.
Speaker 1: That that is the most. That is my most vivid
Speaker 1: memory from that film. And I haven't seen it since
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I can still remember that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that says about anything, if it
Speaker 1: says anything about me, but that is that. That is
Speaker 1: the frame of the film that I remember the most.
Speaker 1: That is interesting. You like you like you like free?
Speaker 1: If you like you like a swagbag, that's what that's
Speaker 1: what you like? A T shirt? You like some merch? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how ironic. I've just released my own merch for my music. Now.
Speaker 1: It's not about much. It's it's about It's not about much.
Speaker 1: I think it's about it's about it's worried about it,
Speaker 1: about going there, and I think it's welcoming and it's
Speaker 1: loving the way it's sort of set out and I
Speaker 1: think that that it's like it's like doing nice things
Speaker 1: for people. Do you remember when you saw your early
Speaker 1: films thinking I want to do this, I want to
Speaker 1: be an actor. No, that I think that came. That
Speaker 1: came much much later, mid teens. I think it's because
Speaker 1: I was sort of quite good at quite a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but not very good at anything, and I
Speaker 1: think I felt a bit invisible and a bit sort
Speaker 1: of like lost, and a bit like I needed to
Speaker 1: sort of pick something. And I think that obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: this is this is an industry that you go into
Speaker 1: and you and then you're you are sort of seen,
Speaker 1: you're literally on this on a stage, and I think
Speaker 1: it was something that I could maybe devote myself and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe trying to get get good at. I think
Speaker 1: I think, I think I think it was just about
Speaker 1: trying to sort of focus on one thing, but I
Speaker 1: was I was never really able to do that because
Speaker 1: I was sort of too interested in lots of things.
Speaker 1: But but it started to be it was sort of
Speaker 1: through music actually in it, and then it was sort
Speaker 1: of you know, musical than the song part sort of
Speaker 1: got stripped away and it became about storytelling, and then
Speaker 1: I found a love of that latterly interesting. What's the
Speaker 1: film that scared you the most? Do you like being scared? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. And I said I would never do a
Speaker 1: horror film, and I've literally just finished work on a
Speaker 1: horror Gammo doctor is doing an anthology horror series called
Speaker 1: The Cabinet of Curiosities. It's a bit sort of Black
Speaker 1: mirrorsh but instead of tech, it's it's all sort of
Speaker 1: horror tropes, and I've just finished it this week. I
Speaker 1: was a very creepy, creepy, scary episode of it, with
Speaker 1: all manner of grizzly things and and a really terrifying
Speaker 1: and really terrifying ending. Oh great, and I and I
Speaker 1: purposefully asked the directing a team to mess with me
Speaker 1: as much as possible and to stop me at doing
Speaker 1: any acting, because I call him and said, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this twenty years, but I haven't really played anyone
Speaker 1: that's sort of scared a lot, and it's not a
Speaker 1: genre I'm very familiar with. When I was looking down
Speaker 1: your list, I looked up like the hundred scariest films ever,
Speaker 1: and I've seen about two of them, so I was
Speaker 1: like well, it's not on this list. So I was
Speaker 1: getting into bang bits of wood together and play horrible
Speaker 1: scream at me during takes if possible, just to sort
Speaker 1: of just to sort of like mess with me. And
Speaker 1: I did not like it, and I still won't watch anymore,
Speaker 1: but I will watch that. But but one of the
Speaker 1: things that he was asking me about kind of play
Speaker 1: some sounds, and I suddenly had this memory of the
Speaker 1: film the Return to Oz, which is the sequel to
Speaker 1: The Wizard the most ter the Wheelies. These these creatures
Speaker 1: work sort of they look like sort of human circus clowns,
Speaker 1: but they've got wheels instead of hands and feet and
Speaker 1: they squeak. So the director on one of the things
Speaker 1: because it requires me to be scared of things that
Speaker 1: I that aren't really there a lot this this this
Speaker 1: job I've just done, and so he would he he
Speaker 1: would play on speakers the sounds of the Wheelies during takes,
Speaker 1: just to fuck with me and mess with me. And
Speaker 1: it worked, and it was horrible. And then I remember that,
Speaker 1: you know that that sort of Alice in Wonderland, the
Speaker 1: thing of her falling down. I think it's Dorothy or
Speaker 1: Dorothy's or whoever it is falling down this sort of
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, but there's hands grabbing at her in this
Speaker 1: horrible sort of gropy way, and it just those two images. Again,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in so many years because why
Speaker 1: would you put yourself through that again? But those images
Speaker 1: are really really stuck with me. It's bananas return to us.
Speaker 1: It's fucking like when you watch it, you're like, I
Speaker 1: cannot believe this. There's a Disney film that got made
Speaker 1: for kids. It's so scary. No, someone was on someone
Speaker 1: was on some drugs. Yeah, yeah, there's heads in fucking
Speaker 1: in There's a whole cabinet of heads. It's scary. Shit,
Speaker 1: it's horrible. It's although when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: can't tell you what film scared me the most. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I saw that when I was probably quite young,
Speaker 1: But as a little kid, I remembered this story and
Speaker 1: maybe I remember it and maybe it's just because my
Speaker 1: dad has told it to me and about me two
Speaker 1: various people in front of me many times. Which is
Speaker 1: that I think on about my sixth, fifth or sixth birthday,
Speaker 1: I was on a one of those Channel fairies and
Speaker 1: it was my birthday and there was a little screening
Speaker 1: room on the on the Fairy and they were playing
Speaker 1: a role that was the witches. And there is the
Speaker 1: moment in the middle the film for anyone who hasn't
Speaker 1: seen it, where the witches removed their wigs and gloves
Speaker 1: and they cut and skin and they look pretty gruesome.
Speaker 1: And at that point in the film, I'm apparently, according
Speaker 1: to myth legend, i waltzed down This is very apparently,
Speaker 1: this was very out of character. But it waltz down
Speaker 1: to the front of I hate speaking public, speaking as myself,
Speaker 1: by the way, you should notice about me. So scared
Speaker 1: of it, so scared of it, and walked down to
Speaker 1: the to the screen at the front, turned around and
Speaker 1: said in the most precocious way possible, well this is
Speaker 1: a bit too scary, isn't it, and walked out. My
Speaker 1: dad doesn't run after me, because because even like you've
Speaker 1: just left, I'm going to make a seek. So I'm
Speaker 1: jumping overboard. Good day. Yeah. So I have never told
Speaker 1: anyone that, but my dad had told lots of people.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you're so scared of talking as yourself?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, I mean I sort of understand,
Speaker 1: but do you know way well, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: in my new found of revelation about about not being
Speaker 1: so worried about it. Maybe I'm maybe I'm not anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know quite what it is. Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: too long, sort of doing it in front of people
Speaker 1: as someone else. But I do get even on the
Speaker 1: wrap of a film or something, when that in the
Speaker 1: thirty seconds you have to say thank you to a
Speaker 1: crew that I'm so grateful for my my heart just
Speaker 1: goes a bit too fast, my palms go a bit sweaty,
Speaker 1: and I'm not quite sure my words get jumbled up,
Speaker 1: And I don't know why that is. Because I'm very
Speaker 1: comfortable doing this with you. I'm very comfortable in any
Speaker 1: sort of social situation. But when it's suddenly you're sort
Speaker 1: of when it's there's a pressure on it expected. What
Speaker 1: expectation is the mother of all fucking horror, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, whenever you're sort of
Speaker 1: expected to say something, I can sort of clam up
Speaker 1: and get a bit tight. I think I've just sort
Speaker 1: of realized that it's actually not I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: necessarily being about because you can just go thank you
Speaker 1: very much, and keep it very short. But I think
Speaker 1: it's about sort of letting people's perception of who they
Speaker 1: think I am down. Not being charismatic enough or not
Speaker 1: not you know, not being eloquent or charming enough. Not
Speaker 1: being enough, I think is what's fueled a lot of
Speaker 1: that stuff over the years for me, of which I've
Speaker 1: now managed to sort of let go of it. You
Speaker 1: are enough, that's the title of this episode. What's the
Speaker 1: speaking of? Speaking of crying, what's the film that made
Speaker 1: you cry the most? Are you a cryer? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: like a good cry. The film that made me cry
Speaker 1: the most, and it made me cry for about three days,
Speaker 1: almost NonStop, because I think I saw it just too
Speaker 1: young was Spartacus. Oh really, it's a very specific reason,
Speaker 1: which was when you get to the end of the film,
Speaker 1: Kadison and Tony Curtis are forced to fight to the
Speaker 1: death on penalty of death, obviously that they're they're both
Speaker 1: going to be crucified unless they fight to the death,
Speaker 1: in which case only the victor will be crucified and
Speaker 1: the other one will be killed by their best friend
Speaker 1: and the catharsis of this a word that I didn't
Speaker 1: know at eight or whenever I saw it, that sort
Speaker 1: of unbearable pressure and tension, and the fact that they
Speaker 1: both love the other so much that they can't bear
Speaker 1: to be the one that would put them through the
Speaker 1: agony of the cruisefixion, and so they actually fight harder
Speaker 1: for it. There was something in my eight year old
Speaker 1: at whatever however I was brain that just had a
Speaker 1: schism and I could not bear the idea that anyone
Speaker 1: could come up with this. And I remember this, I
Speaker 1: do remember. I remember being in tears for days about it. Inconsolable. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry for your less What
Speaker 1: is the film that you love? It's not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: most people don't like it, but you don't give a
Speaker 1: fucking shit what anyone says. You will stand by this film.
Speaker 1: Sister Act two. I love Sister Act two. Thank you
Speaker 1: back in the habit, Yes please. There are moments of
Speaker 1: Sister Act two that I will pull up on YouTube
Speaker 1: at any given opportunity. Tea when when Lauren Hill sings
Speaker 1: a bit of eyes on the sparrow, the organ or
Speaker 1: the or the sort of like joweful, joyful at the end,
Speaker 1: I think I just loved Lauren Hill's voice so much,
Speaker 1: and it's it's so much more exciting than the first one.
Speaker 1: And it follows all the all the proper sort of
Speaker 1: like traits of those kinds of cheesy films when they
Speaker 1: take the robes off at the end, and the dancing
Speaker 1: and the mum turning up and all of that, and
Speaker 1: and locking father Creasy or whatever in the cupboard with
Speaker 1: the salami. Come on, come on, I won't hear a
Speaker 1: word against it. Lawless, it's flawless. It gave us Lauren Hill.
Speaker 1: It's flawless. You can have that. Thanks. Wait, does that
Speaker 1: mean I've not been able to have anything so far? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Up to now, up to now, none of them have
Speaker 1: been allowed through. But this way, I didn't realize it
Speaker 1: was a challenge. It didn't realize there was a challenge,
Speaker 1: gentleman to it. Nor did I. But until this moment,
Speaker 1: and we're bay learning. Everyone else has got every film
Speaker 1: they've ever said through, but you so far? Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1: This has been quite a strict process of either way.
Speaker 1: But some reason it's a most bigger filter. I think
Speaker 1: it's good. I looked for a list of films that
Speaker 1: you said I mustn't talked about and thought, I need
Speaker 1: to mention several of these pooing your system, and the
Speaker 1: system is fighting back. What's the film you used to love,
Speaker 1: you loved it, you've watched it reasonably, You've gone now no,
Speaker 1: I don't like this no more, but for your own reasons.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there are lots of those, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't think of them. But what I could think of
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite films of all time. And
Speaker 1: I've got a collection in my home of eighties movies
Speaker 1: post original posters of eighties movies that I've thought I
Speaker 1: just loved and have a connection to, some of which
Speaker 1: are on your list of things and not to talk about.
Speaker 1: But one of them is The Princess Bride, which I
Speaker 1: think is one of the greatest films ever made, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest films. However, it's one of those films
Speaker 1: that I that I'll peddle to people and say, this
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest films ever made. You what
Speaker 1: do you meet? What do you mean you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: I'll say, because my cast, especially of my cast of
Speaker 1: the show that I do when Netflix got they're in
Speaker 1: their early twenties. Mainly some I haven't seen it. They
Speaker 1: watched it and sort of came back, and a couple
Speaker 1: of them came back and said, yeah, I got about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and I didn't really somebody get it. So
Speaker 1: I went back and watched it again, thinking maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it's date, maybe it's a bit dated, maybe it doesn't
Speaker 1: quite hold up. It absolutely fucking does. It's brilliant, and
Speaker 1: they're wrong. Brilliant, they're wrong. So there's a film that
Speaker 1: does hold up, which is I think what you asked?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I like? You flipping the question?
Speaker 1: I'm going to let that through. It was jaky, brilliant,
Speaker 1: but I'm letting it through because I love the Princess Bride.
Speaker 1: I feel it one O one, which I did used
Speaker 1: to watch as a kid in the day. I think
Speaker 1: it's not anymore. I always wanted to go on that
Speaker 1: and this is about as close as I'm ever going
Speaker 1: to get, and I'm going to enjoy it. But whatever
Speaker 1: say that, only this is seeming to take that format. Now,
Speaker 1: what is the film that means the most to you,
Speaker 1: Ben Brans? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but because the experience you had around seeing it, that
Speaker 1: will always make it meaningful to you again. There are
Speaker 1: a few, but this film is is is very good,
Speaker 1: but it only sort of makes it into the pantheon
Speaker 1: of my one of my favorites because of what Which
Speaker 1: was the film that I saw on my first ever
Speaker 1: date I ever went on? Was and And I realized
Speaker 1: my mistake after the fact. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: there weren't more people in my life to tell me
Speaker 1: that this film was setting well, just setting unreasonable standards.
Speaker 1: Was bas Lehman's Romeo and Juliet came out in the cinema,
Speaker 1: and the day it was released in the cinema was
Speaker 1: my first ever opper date. I took someone on. Wow,
Speaker 1: how old were you? I don't know, probably probably fifth
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen, Okay, And what happened on the day
Speaker 1: it was It was actually wonderful. It was actually wonderful.
Speaker 1: She was a sweetheart and and I it's actually quite
Speaker 1: quite sad, again working against the comedy of your podcast format.
Speaker 1: But she we dated for a few months, I think,
Speaker 1: and just hung out and watching films at each other's houses,
Speaker 1: and it was so innocent and lovely. And I found
Speaker 1: out that she I think she went on a gap
Speaker 1: here and an accident passed away and I read it
Speaker 1: in the local paper and I remember and I remember
Speaker 1: that night watching thinking about it and watching M and
Speaker 1: Juliet again and I sort of sort of separate it
Speaker 1: in my head from that. But that's so fucking tragic.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah, it was. It was a weird thing.
Speaker 1: I've actually never had told him on that, but it
Speaker 1: just so you hadn't seen it for like a couple
Speaker 1: of years when that happened. Yeah, it'd been Yeah, it
Speaker 1: had been probably it was probably yeah, for four years
Speaker 1: or something. It was. We went touch anything, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and then then and then a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: one of my best pals took me to the secret
Speaker 1: cinema version of it where they do bits of it
Speaker 1: lighter and everything, and yeah, that was. That was quite
Speaker 1: But that helped reframe it a little bit. It was raining,
Speaker 1: it was raining, and night we saw it and it
Speaker 1: was it was you know, and I think so, I
Speaker 1: think it helped it. Yeah, it helped reframe it a
Speaker 1: little bit. But it's definitely has that association in my mind.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. It's a fond it's a fond
Speaker 1: memory because it was a very long Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: see that. It seems sort a beautiful thing as well.
Speaker 1: What what's the film you most relate to? Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is stupid because I'm sure there are millions and
Speaker 1: that that I probably I was thinking, it's got to
Speaker 1: be something sort of a a bit romantic, cute grantee
Speaker 1: or something. There's gotta be something that I've probably Sammy Hannah.
Speaker 1: I was. The thing that jumped to mind was the
Speaker 1: opening scene of Swingers, John Favreau calling the girl back
Speaker 1: forty two times and getting increasingly more pathetic with each one.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I've found it incredibly relatable, not
Speaker 1: because it's something I particularly done, but just something that
Speaker 1: I feel like I understand better than I understand and
Speaker 1: the other scene from a film. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know why that. I don't really know why that's my answer,
Speaker 1: but it is. And you're just gonna it's they're my answers.
Speaker 1: So that's that's all I tell you. I fully accept
Speaker 1: that answer, and I think it is a very relatable scene,
Speaker 1: and I'm definitely I've definitely done that via text. I've
Speaker 1: definitely sent a text into I fucking then sent another text.
Speaker 1: Stop sending texting it. Yeah, and then it reads like
Speaker 1: a mad, insane novel when they finally look at it.
Speaker 1: I think it's also more curious to that question. I'd
Speaker 1: be more curious what other people think, what the film
Speaker 1: they think is that they've seen that reminds them of
Speaker 1: me the most, You know what I mean. I think
Speaker 1: as an act, I'm always curious. I'm always curious to
Speaker 1: know what people would you know, people say, what do
Speaker 1: you want to do next? I don't know what do
Speaker 1: they want me to do next? It's sort of right,
Speaker 1: because you know, because that's a part of it, isn't it.
Speaker 1: The truth is the relate what film you mayst relate to.
Speaker 1: It is the question most people struggle with, which is interesting,
Speaker 1: and you get many varied answers, but I don't. I'd
Speaker 1: say probably five guests that I've had in all the
Speaker 1: time have an answer like that. Most people go, I
Speaker 1: really struggled with this one. Yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's one of those ones that
Speaker 1: you it's because the one i'd most want to get right.
Speaker 1: And I think I'd need much more time to look
Speaker 1: through all films I've ever seen and be like, oh yeah, that,
Speaker 1: But it didn't just come to me. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because yeah, maybe if you're taking it as like,
Speaker 1: what's the film that defines me as a and that's
Speaker 1: too bigger? Yeah yeah, yeah, the most intimate question in
Speaker 1: a way. Yeah, anyway, tell me this, Ben Barnes. I
Speaker 1: think this is why people were tuned in what's the
Speaker 1: sexiest film you've ever seen? I do enjoy having both
Speaker 1: my names every question. It's a lot of people do
Speaker 1: that with my name because it's alliterative in it, and
Speaker 1: I enjoy you doing it. But I enjoy you doing it,
Speaker 1: I think more than anyone ever. Maybe I thought I
Speaker 1: have to get if you have to get your badge,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Sexiest film? So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the film I sort of remember being the sexiest film
Speaker 1: was each of Mama Tambien correct, great, moving on and
Speaker 1: then and then more recently I saw a film called
Speaker 1: The Handmaiden correct, which is I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm allowed to find it. So it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be sexy, but it is very sexy. It's
Speaker 1: very sexy. It's got the sexiest tooth failing scene in
Speaker 1: the cinema history in cinema. Yeah, yeah, you'd be hards
Speaker 1: to find a sexy, a tooth failing scene, but in in,
Speaker 1: just in case you were going to sort of not
Speaker 1: agree with me so quickly and readily, which luckily he did,
Speaker 1: because those are very sexy films. I had a more
Speaker 1: peg answer ready, which was that the film that has
Speaker 1: the date the date that I would most like to
Speaker 1: go on in it, which is quite sexy, which is
Speaker 1: the Karate Kid, preferably with Elizabeth Shoe. Actually still what
Speaker 1: happens in the date, they go to golf and stuff
Speaker 1: in that beautiful yellow retro car that Miss Maggie has
Speaker 1: given him, and they go to golf and stuff, and
Speaker 1: he's sort of putting his arms around and helping her
Speaker 1: put away, and they're having delicious looking at you know,
Speaker 1: fast food, and they're just giggling a lot, and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just it just was not an experience
Speaker 1: that I was having when I was watching that film,
Speaker 1: and I wanted I wanted it. That's very very sweet.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sweet, traveling, Bone is worrying what I dones
Speaker 1: what it's a film you found arousing that you weren't
Speaker 1: sure you should, And Bones, I just realized that the
Speaker 1: karate Kid was my answer to that one, because I
Speaker 1: was going to say the karate kid and then you
Speaker 1: were going to go, what No, I just this is
Speaker 1: like going yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I was going
Speaker 1: to explain that sort of subverting the question of making
Speaker 1: it sweet, and now I've ruined it by offering it
Speaker 1: too early. But what I like is what we're doing
Speaker 1: here is a deconstructed version of that bit yeah no,
Speaker 1: which is very very la It's like a deconstructed taco
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, it's stop at it. We do it backwards.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's good to work. Yeah, it's better this way. People.
Speaker 1: What we've done is we've given you. We've given you
Speaker 1: all the ingredients. You get to make the meal yourself
Speaker 1: in your head. I'll give you the answers, and you
Speaker 1: provide the question. It is the Jeopardy version of it.
Speaker 1: I love it. What is the Christ is troubling boner.
Speaker 1: I'll take Troubling Shadow and bonus for five hundred. What
Speaker 1: is objectively the greatest film ever made? Not your favorite, necessarily,
Speaker 1: but the greatest. It is one of my It is
Speaker 1: absolutely one of my favorites. And I know that the
Speaker 1: answer is not interesting to have had it so many
Speaker 1: times before, but is back to the future. I've got
Speaker 1: the original poster there. I just think it's perfect. And
Speaker 1: I've always it's always been the answer that I have
Speaker 1: given about my favorite film. I will say this, this
Speaker 1: horror show that I just finished my Coast was Crisp
Speaker 1: and Glover, who was in the film. Obviously, how is it?
Speaker 1: How he's wonderful. Yeah, he's wonderful. He's totally eccentric and
Speaker 1: loves films and making films and being you know, sort
Speaker 1: of collaborating on it. That loves, you know, playing characters.
Speaker 1: I think didn't didn't have the gumption to talk to
Speaker 1: him about about it, but it was still thrilling to
Speaker 1: sort of just just to hear his voice actually just
Speaker 1: quite it. It's just probably the film I've seen the most.
Speaker 1: So ah, you can have that. Of course you can
Speaker 1: have it. You can have that way. And what we'll
Speaker 1: do go back and anyone who said it already in
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty I'll delete them out of the podcast.
Speaker 1: The only actually I'm gonna yeah, Buddy Peace is the producer.
Speaker 1: When when you listen to this, could you do that? Please?
Speaker 1: Shouldn't get you long? What what is um? What's the
Speaker 1: film that you could or have? What's the most? Over
Speaker 1: and over again, Ben Burnes. I always think of one
Speaker 1: of them. I don't know what. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the film is. I've watched the most, probably one of
Speaker 1: the ones I've already mentioned, but I was My metric
Speaker 1: is always like that one that like when you're like
Speaker 1: in a hotel somewhere only just sort of turn on
Speaker 1: the TV just to have some noise, and then it's
Speaker 1: it's twenty five minutes into the film, but you just
Speaker 1: sit and watch it anyway. I've got a lot of those,
Speaker 1: I think. But you know, there's something also. I know
Speaker 1: I completely avoid the aren't the question about how you
Speaker 1: where you see yourself in it? And I'm not necessarily
Speaker 1: even sure which character, But there's something about notting Hill
Speaker 1: that I can't I find unavoidable. I just love it,
Speaker 1: unashamedly love that film. And I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: hug on on Julia Roberts or somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 1: but I do love it. And there's something sort of
Speaker 1: very londonly about it, which I which I love, and
Speaker 1: something at the Hollywood coming into London, which I understand.
Speaker 1: But it's just I love the structure those rom coms.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to find a rom com with that
Speaker 1: kind of just simple concepts and structure for literally for
Speaker 1: fifteen years, you know, I just I just I love
Speaker 1: I love the format I've seen. I watched a lot
Speaker 1: of kinds of films except Torah app but I think
Speaker 1: those sort of wrong comes when they're done well, sort
Speaker 1: of Richard Curtis style. Are my favorites? Interesting? Interesting? You
Speaker 1: haven't found one in fifteen years? As well? I think
Speaker 1: they're very, very very hard to get right. I think
Speaker 1: I think I've seen a lot that have been made
Speaker 1: in the last sort of ten years, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them are not very good. One or two that
Speaker 1: cut through, but I was not offered them disgusting. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they were thinking. We don't like to
Speaker 1: be negative, do we, Ben Burns, you and me are
Speaker 1: united on that, Yeah, I hope FC. But what's the
Speaker 1: worst film you've ever seen? So? I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's the worst film I've ever seen because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it since our small But there was a sort
Speaker 1: of running joke in my family that we were once
Speaker 1: traveling somewhere and we watched a film, because I think
Speaker 1: we were sort of stuck somewhere or something and that
Speaker 1: you can only get the TV. And it's a film
Speaker 1: called Basil, which stars Christy and Slater, and it's a
Speaker 1: sort of a period Victorian esque kind of a film.
Speaker 1: And it was completely shit, suffering from the main crime,
Speaker 1: main cinema crime of being very very boring. And I
Speaker 1: remember my dad saying, I think that's the worst one
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, and I said, I agree, I think
Speaker 1: that's the worst one. And then and then, in anticipation
Speaker 1: of this, I watched the trailer again online and it
Speaker 1: looks suspiciously like a film version that I did of
Speaker 1: Dorian Gray, which I think most people would contend is
Speaker 1: the worst film I have been involved with, or one
Speaker 1: of one of at least even that looks very very beautiful,
Speaker 1: and there are good things about it, and it's often
Speaker 1: on telling it Christmas and people tell me that they
Speaker 1: love it, but we didn't quite sort of hit. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about it? I said, honestly, handem, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I have no skin in the game
Speaker 1: of this feeling about because I loved making it. I
Speaker 1: loved that the producers and the director and Colin Firth
Speaker 1: starring Colin Firth, who is one of my favorite humans listeners.
Speaker 1: He just held up a mug that said Keep Calm
Speaker 1: and Love Colin Firth, given to me by Colin Firth,
Speaker 1: because you see, you're the only one who would bloody
Speaker 1: drink out of it. So and then I found that
Speaker 1: you can buy a keep Calm and Love Bam Barnes
Speaker 1: mug online, so I sent it to his wife because
Speaker 1: Shananigan's for the purposes of shnanigans. But he's a wonderful
Speaker 1: human And we had a brilliant time making it, and
Speaker 1: I think we thought we were making something that was
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps a little bit edgier, and I think I
Speaker 1: think I think it tried maybe to sort of be
Speaker 1: a bit edgy and make some changes and also tried
Speaker 1: to sort of please lovers of literature and faithful lovers
Speaker 1: who who were hoping for a sort of faithful adaptation
Speaker 1: of of of the book and everything. And I think
Speaker 1: that sometimes you know, you can do everything right, it
Speaker 1: all in the right sort of order, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: quite capture the sort of zeitgeist of what that adaptation
Speaker 1: needs to be for this generation or whatever. It just
Speaker 1: got very also you know, I was twenty six or
Speaker 1: something and that was the last time I read a
Speaker 1: review because it was very poorly reviewed, very mean, very
Speaker 1: very mean about me. And now I'm able to use
Speaker 1: those criticisms actually, especially for younger actors, when they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know that so and so wasn't the best thing
Speaker 1: about this film or whatever, and I think you think
Speaker 1: that's a bad review, I'll show you a bad review, mate,
Speaker 1: and I'll whip out the Daily Mail's review of Dora
Speaker 1: and Gray, which the most scathing review of any acting
Speaker 1: forms in history, I think. But it definitely like knocked
Speaker 1: me off kilter at the time, maybe think maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not made of sterne enough stuff to do this, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a bit sensitive. But then actually it just served
Speaker 1: to sort of emboldened me and make mysel and actually
Speaker 1: want to be bolder in my choices maybe or more
Speaker 1: it may be double down, maybe more committed to to
Speaker 1: to to making a success of this and being the best,
Speaker 1: you know, just being the best actor I can be anyway,
Speaker 1: And do you avoid all things? Then? Do you avoid avoid?
Speaker 1: Oh press, do you avoid social media? Yeah? It was
Speaker 1: I just had I was working on the third Narnia film,
Speaker 1: in Australia and I flew to Toronto for the for
Speaker 1: the for the film Festival, and the earned reviews came
Speaker 1: out that that day and I had I had wanted.
Speaker 1: I had to fly from Australia to Toronto and back
Speaker 1: again in in a day and a half or something,
Speaker 1: and so I was upside down and inside out at
Speaker 1: that point. And I think that that just a reviews
Speaker 1: coming at that time, it just it really knocked me.
Speaker 1: It really knocked me. But it's but it's um, you know,
Speaker 1: as I say, I think there are great things about it,
Speaker 1: and really I'm still really proud to have done it.
Speaker 1: I'm very proud to have been cast in it with
Speaker 1: those people and you know, to have been trusted with
Speaker 1: that story. Do I think I'm a better actor now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That you know you're fucking twenty six ers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's mad. Yeah. Interestingly, the horror thing that I've just
Speaker 1: had has a salt couple of little elements of it
Speaker 1: that made me think maybe this is, you know, another
Speaker 1: go to And I got asked to do the audiobook
Speaker 1: actually Adoring Great last year or the even before, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I get to sort of have
Speaker 1: another go here. As well, but yeah, still very proud
Speaker 1: to have been involved in it. And and and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, all all these moves that we make, you know,
Speaker 1: make us the person that we are. And I'm I'm
Speaker 1: proud of the person I am so so I think, um,
Speaker 1: I watch it? Do I have? I do? I watch
Speaker 1: it often? No really good answer, I'm so. I think
Speaker 1: it's absolutely right not to read anything. But I think
Speaker 1: it's hard. I'm impressed hard lesson Yeah, yeah, yeah, any
Speaker 1: way to learn it? Of course, that's the only possible way,
Speaker 1: you think is in the fire and get before you know,
Speaker 1: not to touch it. Yeah, I definitely definitely experienced that
Speaker 1: in God, I should never look and I shouldn't have looked. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the film you're You're funny, ben Burns, You've been
Speaker 1: funny and stuff. What's the film that made you laugh
Speaker 1: the most? I think the film that has made me
Speaker 1: laugh the most number of times is this is spinal Tap? Correct?
Speaker 1: You've got a few of these completely right? Oh brilliant.
Speaker 1: Well again, these are the ones that my my, my, my,
Speaker 1: my collection of eighties posters. This is this is one
Speaker 1: of them. I get. Probably one of the films I've
Speaker 1: watched the most, certainly the film that if people haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, I will. I will immediately put up something
Speaker 1: or start quoting it, or I'll be unsufferable talking about it.
Speaker 1: But it's just endlessly quotable. I mean, it's funny. It's
Speaker 1: the first second before you've even got any actors in it.
Speaker 1: Rob Bryan is introducing it and he does this thing
Speaker 1: where he folds his arms and then just sort of
Speaker 1: lets them. It's so uncomfortable that he sort of lets
Speaker 1: them hang down, and it makes it. I cannot watch
Speaker 1: that without laughing. And nothing's happened yet, a film wasn't
Speaker 1: even started yet, and it's yeah, it's just it's genius.
Speaker 1: It really is, Ben Burns, You've been an absolute joy.
Speaker 1: I've loved talking to you. However, when you were one
Speaker 1: hundred years old, you had a birthday card from the
Speaker 1: Queen who is who was at the time about one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety. For a nice bird to send a card.
Speaker 1: It was very scrawly writing, but I believe it was
Speaker 1: from her herself and she did the post. You're a
Speaker 1: bit tired. You went to bed and your loved ones
Speaker 1: you said, gather around, gather around your loved ones gathered
Speaker 1: around and your your great great great granddaughter, took your
Speaker 1: hand and in a peak of madness, squeezed your hands
Speaker 1: so hard, using so much despair because you loved me
Speaker 1: so very much. Yeah, squeezed it so hard that it
Speaker 1: snapped in twenty five places. She screamed. Everyone started screaming
Speaker 1: around you. Right, Oh, God, what am I done? We
Speaker 1: were screaming, no, I okay, us, oh your loved ones.
Speaker 1: It is just so distroy, God, what we've done. And
Speaker 1: there was blood and then the blood got infected and
Speaker 1: you had set the instant sepsis and it spread through
Speaker 1: your body quite quickly, to be fair, and then and
Speaker 1: then you were just choking on the infection. And then
Speaker 1: people are screaming. Everyone was screaming, and you died. It
Speaker 1: was one of the least peaceful debts I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And I hear this, I hear this chaos. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's going on in that house in ben Bounds? Has
Speaker 1: it sounds like a massacres happened. All your loved ones.
Speaker 1: They run out of the house, screaming like they've been
Speaker 1: in a horror. I've got a coffee on me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm like, drag it upstairs and go where
Speaker 1: it's Ben Barns. Well, detective friend, Ben's Ben Barns. Where
Speaker 1: is he? Now? Go up the stairs and there you
Speaker 1: are and your body has exploded. It from the instant
Speaker 1: de fucking everywhere. It's everywhere, on the walls, on the
Speaker 1: it's disgusting, and also in a floating through the winter,
Speaker 1: they're already eating on your rutting flesh. I'm like, get
Speaker 1: out of here, scram and I scrape off all the
Speaker 1: bits of you I can. I put you in the coffin.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking it's I'm having to wear industrial gloves.
Speaker 1: It's gross. Even I'm guing to stout by it. It's
Speaker 1: a mess. It's like I've made a fucking pool of
Speaker 1: cess in this coffin. Anyway, it's full full and there's
Speaker 1: only really enough room for me to slide one DVD
Speaker 1: into the gloop across to the other side. And on
Speaker 1: the other side. It's a movie night every night, and
Speaker 1: one night it's your movie night. What film are you
Speaker 1: taking to show everyone in heaven when it's your movie night?
Speaker 1: Ben Burns, Please, I've piked the bear. There have a night.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, I challenged you. It's like I sat.
Speaker 1: I was like I went to a comedy show and
Speaker 1: sat in the middle of the front row, thinking this
Speaker 1: would be fine. I hate I hate I hate you
Speaker 1: for that hate. How you died. Listen, I'm so sorry. Listen.
Speaker 1: It was. It was screaming. Made my peace, all of them.
Speaker 1: It was quick, though, it was quick. Okay, what film
Speaker 1: are you taking with you? I am taking with me arguably,
Speaker 1: And when I argue me, I mean arguing with myself
Speaker 1: because it's impossible to answer what the favorite film ever is,
Speaker 1: but the one I would most like to share with,
Speaker 1: the one I most like, show People, the one that
Speaker 1: has brought me probably the most joy. When Harry met Sally,
Speaker 1: Oh fucking perfect answer. I almost feel bad about how
Speaker 1: you died with that answer. But I'm not in charge
Speaker 1: of those things. So I'm up. I'm up in, I'm
Speaker 1: up in in heaven. I met Sally. I'm having a
Speaker 1: lovely time. Yeah, you're having anyone's going, anyone's goings, bringing
Speaker 1: this brilliant, brilliant choice, brilliant, brilliant choice of film for
Speaker 1: us to all watch. The Thing probably the probably the
Speaker 1: best choice all the hundred. You're the best person if anyway,
Speaker 1: just before we settle down to watch this lovely film,
Speaker 1: how did You Die Again? Ben Birds? What a joy?
Speaker 1: Now I assume you would like people to listen to
Speaker 1: your album. Is that what we have to look forward
Speaker 1: to next from you? Yes? What's it called. It's called
Speaker 1: Songs for You and it is five songs that I
Speaker 1: wrote at that piano and then had some brilliant, brilliant
Speaker 1: producing people help me make a more shiny sounding with exciting,
Speaker 1: brilliant musicians from around the world sort of contributing their
Speaker 1: bits during the pandemic, which is kind of thrilling and amazing.
Speaker 1: And now it's this sort of little it's this little
Speaker 1: record which is just going to be everywhere and it's
Speaker 1: it's brilliant. Yeah, people have been The first one came
Speaker 1: out a few weeks ago, and people sending me you know,
Speaker 1: just actually, I think one of the things I love
Speaker 1: the most just this this this this girl's dancing in
Speaker 1: a kitchen and this big smile on her face to it.
Speaker 1: And then people have been doing sort of pole dancing
Speaker 1: or ice skating routines, or doing a sing cover of it,
Speaker 1: or drawing something from the music video or whatever, just
Speaker 1: like just just feeling like I think something about me
Speaker 1: doing it at forty rather than at nineteen when I
Speaker 1: first tried, is making people go I can, well, maybe
Speaker 1: I can just do my thing now, and that feels
Speaker 1: good that I love that. Congratulations, congratulations on your album.
Speaker 1: That's fucking huge. I hope that more and more people
Speaker 1: love it. I have loved talking with you. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your time, and good luck with everything, Have a
Speaker 1: wonderful time in heaven and love to you. Good day,
Speaker 1: sir cherrybody. So that was episode one hundred and sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Head over to patreon dot com forwards Las Brett Goldstein
Speaker 1: for the extra twenty minutes of chat, secrets and video
Speaker 1: with Ben. Go to Apple Podcast. Give us a five
Speaker 1: star rating, but don't talk about the show. I don't
Speaker 1: care about that. Talk about the film that means the
Speaker 1: most to you and why it's a lovely thing to read,
Speaker 1: helps with numbers, something like that. I don't really know
Speaker 1: why I keep saying this bit, but apparently I should.
Speaker 1: So there you go. You don't have to do it.
Speaker 1: If you want to do it, do it. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I don't, honestly, honestly, if it's
Speaker 1: in don't bother, but you can anyway. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much to Ben for doing the show, Thanks to Scrupious
Speaker 1: Pip and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to Buddy Piece
Speaker 1: for producing it, Thanks to ACAS for hosting it. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Adam Richardson for the graphics and needs to lead
Speaker 1: them for the photography. Come and join me next week
Speaker 1: where my special guest will be someone else amazing. You
Speaker 1: know it will be everyone's amazing. They're all good. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't bookshit guests. I hope you're all well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. So that is it
Speaker 1: for now. In the meantime, have a lovely week, and please,
Speaker 1: now more than ever, be excellent to each other.