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Speaker 1: Welcome to this Evening's classic episode. Do you guys remember

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Speaker 1: Princess Diana feels like a little softball?

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Speaker 2: But well, I mean I didn't know her personally, but

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Speaker 2: she certainly loomed large in my childhood's on like the news,

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Speaker 2: you know. And then of course her tragic demise was

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Speaker 2: a massive media frenzy that you just could not be ignored.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I recall a lot of positivity reported on

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Speaker 3: her in her life, at least here in the US,

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Speaker 3: but I know throughout the rest of the world and

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Speaker 3: in a lot of places, even in Great Britain, there

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Speaker 3: were other things swirling about her in the news and

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Speaker 3: in the rumor mills, and her death caused such, you know,

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Speaker 3: a shock to the system, I think globally. There were

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Speaker 3: so many things written about it and you know, proposed

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Speaker 3: about why her death occurred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly reframed the way the world thought about Paparazzi.

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Speaker 1: Born on July one, nineteen sixty one, dead in a

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Speaker 1: horrific car crash only age thirty six on August thirty first,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. People are still wondering, speculating about exactly

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Speaker 1: what happened. And here in our classic episode from twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: We dive all the way.

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Speaker 4: In from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 4: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 4: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: A production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul, Mission Control deck, and most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here so cheer. You know

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know

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Speaker 1: a bit of a British episode for us today, we're

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Speaker 1: going across the pond Pip as they called it in

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Speaker 1: the Transatlantic Times. Not many people say over the pond

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Speaker 2: Helly ho sure, Yeah, that's all I got. I love

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Speaker 2: pit Pip. People need to bring that back.

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Speaker 1: I've I've been tremendously instrumental in bringing back tut tut,

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Speaker 1: such that some of my friends banned me from it

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Speaker 1: for a few months.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There are times when, in a serious, somber moment in

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Speaker 1: someone's life, Matt, they don't need to hear the phrase

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Speaker 1: tut tut. It's as unhelpful as saying I told you so,

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Speaker 1: or that reminds me of a thing that happened to me,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's just a verbal stand in for a finger wag,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit Yeah, I feel maybe a little aw

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Speaker 1: shuxi too, you know, like if a kid is scared

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Speaker 1: of a thunderstorm or something, it's like tut tied. I

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Speaker 3: I've definitely experienced a few. It's not erroneous tut tuts,

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Speaker 3: but just tut tut that appear out of nowhere and

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Speaker 1: Oh, really, like in the wild, in the field, in.

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Speaker 2: The field, Wait, doesn't Pooh Bear say tut tut? It

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Speaker 2: looks like rain Oh, I don't know it is? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tut tut is a small admonishment or disappointment.

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Speaker 3: That's That's exactly where I've been hearing it. I've got

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Speaker 1: Uh, dude, your kid's so cool.

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Speaker 3: You're so cool for bringing the Pooh man, bringing the.

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Speaker 2: Poop kind of bring the Pooh dude.

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Speaker 1: None of my heroes wear pants. It's true. Why are

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Speaker 1: we talking about British nomenclature and terminology. It's a great question.

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Speaker 1: We can answer it now. It's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a downer answer. It turns out that on August thirty first,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, Diana, known as the Princess of Wales,

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Speaker 1: died in a Parisian hospital as the result of injuries

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Speaker 1: from a car crash. This is something that our fellow

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Speaker 1: listeners have been asking us about for I mean, since

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Speaker 1: we were originally video only.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and our video did cover some of the main

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Speaker 3: things we will be discussing today, but we in this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna get weird. Her driver was a guy

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Speaker 3: I was fourteen at my parents' house. I know that

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Speaker 2: I was probably in the neighborhood of fourteen. I remember

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's strange. It's for a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the UK or in the Commonwealth, the impact of the

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Speaker 1: tragedy was similar to that of nine to eleven or

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Speaker 2: But Diana was like a symbol, right, I mean, she

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Speaker 3: And both of these instances have another thing in common,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely good point, well said. So here are the facts.

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Speaker 1: She's not born the Princess of Wales. Diana is born

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Speaker 1: Diana Francis Spencer on July first, nineteen sixty one. She's

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Speaker 1: already part of the long running one percent of the UK,

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Speaker 3: Everything's fine, keep gone yea yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, right right, don't ask questions. So Diana was a

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Speaker 1: a very hamilton esque move, Charles had previously been engaged

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Speaker 1: They were wed five months after announcing their engagement at

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Speaker 1: People loved it. People all about the aristocrac and the

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Speaker 3: Can't just say, at the risk of being agists that

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Speaker 3: my mind personally a little bothersome, but you know, who

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Speaker 2: Just for the record, anybody wants to know the code

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Speaker 2: or the formula's half your age plus seven. Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: the official okay to date.

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Speaker 1: I feel that people, and this is not a ding

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Speaker 1: on you, man, but I feel I've heard that before,

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Speaker 1: and often when i've heard it, recite it that way.

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Speaker 2: Well, then, first of all, I'm being tongue in cheek

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Speaker 2: But I agree with you, Ben. When someone really says

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when someone knows the intricacies of a

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Speaker 1: Of people think it's based just on the weight, but

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Speaker 2: You didn't want any quayludes in your sprite?

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Speaker 1: No, No, shout out to Church's chicken and shout out

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Speaker 2: But did you know that seven up used to have

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Speaker 3: I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: I knew about cocaine and coca cola, but I did

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Speaker 1: Opium as well, was quite common in a lot of

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Speaker 3: Let's just switch gears, guys, let's talk about just jogg.

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Speaker 3: We'll just go for the rest of the episode and

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Speaker 1: But not sprite. It was seven up. So so speaking

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Speaker 1: of fantastic segues. Uh, the Diana and Charles marriage produces

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Speaker 3: You know, there's money in it.

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Speaker 1: There's money in it always. So despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: You know, more than a few folks would hear about

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Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting? The divorce is desirable. Y'all are making

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Speaker 1: Just your your relationship is old, yeller. Where at the

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Speaker 1: Herod's department store. As a matter of fact, he owns

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. He owns a yacht that Dodi

437
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Speaker 1: and Diana are hanging out on and they leave the

438
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: yacht kind of a vacation excursion thing, and they arrive

439
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Speaker 1: in Paris.

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Speaker 3: And they're hanging out in Sardinia and they decide to

441
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Speaker 3: take off. So Diana leaves in a private jet earlier

442
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Speaker 3: on that same day, and she arrives in Paris with

443
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Speaker 3: Dody and they're just planning to stop over briefly on

444
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Speaker 3: their way to London. In Paris, and you know, they

445
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: spent nine days together on that yacht and they were

446
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Speaker 3: hanging out in the French and Italian riviera, just having

447
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: a really good time together, spending some time. And you

448
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: can see lots of photos surrounding this time of them

449
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: from paparazzi and the like, because you know, whenever, even

450
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Speaker 3: though she was outside of the of royalty, she was

451
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: still one of the most photographed humans on the planet. Now,

452
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Speaker 3: their plan was to stay at the Ritz Paris. This

453
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Speaker 3: is another property like all the Herods that Dodie's father owned,

454
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Speaker 3: and they dined at a place called Ritz El Espardon.

455
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Speaker 3: I don't know how to say that correcton and Diana.

456
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Speaker 3: We know this unfortunately because of autopsy and because of

457
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Speaker 3: you know, just records. But Diana had dover soul vegetable

458
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Speaker 3: tempora and an asparagus omelet, and that ladies and gentlemen

459
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Speaker 3: would prove to be her final meal.

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Speaker 1: They were continually hunted by the press. If you've ever

461
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Speaker 1: read Watershipped Down, there's a fantastic mythology that the rabbits

462
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Speaker 1: and that story have about being the prince with a

463
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Speaker 1: thousand dedamies, you know, And they were in a kind

464
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Speaker 1: of watership down situation. They were always being pursued by

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Speaker 1: serious journalists, by tabloid journalists, by freelance photographers and so on.

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Speaker 3: It was terrifying. That's a terrifying thing. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can't say that I know what that's like, but

468
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Speaker 3: I can imagine because you're using the word hunted. Yeah,

469
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Speaker 3: and I would agree that that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll say hounded, but it's a synonym at that point, right.

471
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Speaker 1: So now we return to a man named Henri Paul,

472
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Speaker 1: an employee of Al Fayed's Paris Ritz. He is the

473
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Speaker 1: deputy head of security at the hotel, and he has

474
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Speaker 1: been entrusted with the task of driving a rented black

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four Mercedes Bins S two eighty to elude

476
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Speaker 1: the press. The idea is this, that they're going to

477
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Speaker 1: send a decoy car out first, and that the photographers

478
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: and the press gang will follow that car, and then

479
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: the chauffeur, Paul, will take Dodi and Diana to an

480
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: apartment owned by Dowdy's father nearby, and they will spend

481
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Speaker 1: the night in that apartment, not in the Ritz, before

482
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Speaker 1: they continue to London. So this car, the car they're

483
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: actually in, has four passengers, the driver, Dody and Diana

484
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Speaker 1: in the back, and the guy Trevor Rhys Jones, a

485
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Speaker 1: member of the Fayed family security team, riding shotgun. It's late,

486
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Speaker 1: it's around twelve, it's after twelve twelve, twenty twelve, twenty

487
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: three or so. They're they're driving, and it turns out

488
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: the decoy did not work as well as they want.

489
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: The press is onto them. Picture people in motorcycles like

490
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: hauling their keysters off and swerve in Tokyo drift style,

491
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: while there's another person on the back of the motorcycle

492
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: leaning out at weird right angles to try to catch

493
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Speaker 1: the Mercedes in action, hoping against hope that one of

494
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Speaker 1: the tented windows is for some reason rolled down. Because

495
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Speaker 1: if you can get these people's faces in a photograph,

496
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Speaker 1: you have you know, you have paid your rent for

497
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Speaker 1: a month or so, you know what I mean, Because

498
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: unlike the people in the Mercedes, they had jobs and

499
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Speaker 1: mortgages stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys remember the Paparazzi mission and that Grand

501
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: Theft auto game. I think it was the one in

502
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: Los Santos, the most recent one. Yeah, you had to ride,

503
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Speaker 2: you had to do some very similar stuff. It was

504
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 2: like all about you know, literally stalking people on you know,

505
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: tailing them in cars, riding alongside with motorcycles that you

506
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Speaker 2: do in a game like that. But yeah, I mean

507
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: it's really really nasty stuff, right, Yeah, like more than

508
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: just invasion of privacy, literally putting people at risk.

509
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, which comes into play later because the driver loses

510
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 1: control on Repaul loses control of the Mercedes at the

511
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Speaker 1: entrance to the Pont de l'Alma tunnel. The car strikes

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Speaker 1: the right hand wall of the tunnel. It swerves to

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Speaker 1: the left of the two lane road before it collides

514
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Speaker 1: head on with one of the pillars, I think the

515
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Speaker 1: thirteenth pillars supporting the roof of the tunnel. At this time,

516
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Speaker 1: it's traveling about one hundred and five kilometers per hour

517
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Speaker 1: sixty five miles an hour. The reports will say between

518
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Speaker 1: sixty and seventy. The initial reports said one hundred and

519
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: five miles per hour, but surprise, surprise, somebody was lying

520
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: to sell more papers in.

521
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Speaker 2: An enclosed space. No less, that kind of speed as

522
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: bad news.

523
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Speaker 1: You can see photographs of the Mercedes and it looks ugly.

524
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: You would think that everyone in there died instantly, especially

525
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: people in the front. Witnesses reported seeing smoke, and there

526
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: were a ton of witnesses. They also reported that the

527
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Speaker 1: area was swarming with photographers and they were all over

528
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: the car in motorcycles and other automobiles. Before the Mercedes

529
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Speaker 1: enters the tunnel. This meant that as the victims lay

530
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Speaker 1: in the vehicle, the press actually arrives before any emergency survey.

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Speaker 1: And this is where, this is where we can look

532
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Speaker 1: at the media in an antagonistic way, because a lot

533
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Speaker 1: of these folks, a lot of these photographers panicked. They

534
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: ran to the crash, you know, drop their motorcycles, run

535
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: out of their cars, and they start tugging on the doors,

536
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Speaker 1: trying to save the lives of these again, human people

537
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: who have just been in a terrible car accident. Within

538
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: other photographers stand back, waiting, hoping against hope that someone

539
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: pulls open that door of that Mercedes. Because sure, you

540
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: can pay rent for a month or two if you

541
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Speaker 1: get if you get someone's face in a photo, but

542
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: if you get the face of a dying princess, you

543
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: might be set. I mean, that might be a book

544
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: deal for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is horrific.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's grim all around, because there's gonna be hope,

547
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: you hope that there's a certain amount of guilt on it,

548
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: anyone who was pursuing that vehicle once once it crashes,

549
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: and the feeling of oh no, I need to help,

550
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: what have I done? Kind of thing. But you're right,

551
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: the self preservation in this self, the desire to, like

552
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: you said, pay a mortgage, something we hit on early

553
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: on in this it's such a strong desire, strong need

554
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: to you know, pay for rent, pay for whatever, to survive,

555
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: that it overtakes and that's what happens.

556
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Speaker 1: Or maybe they were just they were just competitive, you know,

557
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: it was a cutthroat industry. They didn't want other people

558
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Speaker 1: to get the shot.

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00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Could be that too, either way.

560
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: Police later go on to seize film from seven different

561
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Speaker 1: photographers on this scene. Six of them are French, one

562
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: of them's from Macedonia. The cops ultimately take twenty rolls

563
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: of film, which have not been seen as morbid.

564
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Speaker 2: As it may sound, kind of a good thing to

565
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: have so many photographs snapped of a scene as it happened,

566
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Speaker 2: as it took place in terms of solving the coman

567
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Speaker 2: out that it was any mystery as to what happened,

568
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: but right in terms of like evidence that could be

569
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Speaker 2: entered into the you.

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Speaker 1: Know, that's a good that's a very good point. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't know how much of it was kept from

572
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Speaker 1: the public. We just have in this case of the

573
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: confiscated stills. We just have the statements of the people

574
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Speaker 1: who said their stuff was stolen.

575
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: But there are a few images that you can find.

576
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: Yes, there are there are you can see the car

577
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Speaker 1: when it's on the back of a tow truck.

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00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and there are a couple shots. This is

579
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Speaker 3: the one I'm just gonna shoot. Oh, there's there are

580
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Speaker 3: a couple of shots in particular that look to be

581
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Speaker 3: from the a car that is in front of their

582
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: vehicle that's shooting in and you can see the driver

583
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: and Trevor Reese Jones. Yeah, and you can kind of

584
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: see Princess Diana's the back of her head, but you

585
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: can see just from there that there's flash photography happening

586
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: in the vehicle in front of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, flash photography. That's gonna be that's gonna be a

589
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: huge part too, because we have to remember this took

590
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Speaker 1: place in the late nineties.

591
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Speaker 2: So what happens.

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Speaker 1: We've got the scene of this car accident swarming with photographers,

593
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Speaker 1: some helping, some not, and where are the police?

594
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: So it takes the police ten minutes to arrive, and

595
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Speaker 3: then the ambulance five minutes after that, So fifteen minutes

596
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: and Henry Paul and Dodi Fayed were both dead or dying.

597
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: They died at the scene. Princess Diana was conscious and

598
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: she was in shock. She was removed from the car

599
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: at one am, and when she was moved, she went

600
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: into cardiac arrest, but was successfully resuscitated there on the scene.

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Speaker 3: She was in the ambulance by one eighteen and left

602
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: the scene around one forty one, and then finally she

603
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Speaker 3: made it to the hospital at around two six am.

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Speaker 1: Fayed and Paul were both declared dead at the scene

605
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: of the accident. Their bodies were not taken to a hospital.

606
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Speaker 1: They were taken to a mortuary in Paris, the Institute

607
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: Medico Legal Diana's internal injuries. Although she looked relatively okay

608
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: on the exterior, her internal injuries were extensive. Her heart

609
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: had been physically displaced to the right side of the

610
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: chest from impact, and this tore the pulmonary vein and

611
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: the pericardium. This means that despite lengthy resuscitation attempts, including

612
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: internal cardiac massage and emergency room work, the Princess of

613
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Wales passed away at four a m on August thirty first.

614
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: An anaesthesiologist named Bruno Rio announced her death at six

615
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Speaker 1: am at a news conference held at the hospital, and

616
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Speaker 1: thus it came to pass that by dawn, bodyguard Trevor

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Speaker 1: Rhys Jones was the only survivor of the accident, and.

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Speaker 3: As you can imagine, an investigation ensued, a large investigation,

619
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Speaker 3: and one person who will become one of the primary

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00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: I guess sources of information and speculation after this is

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Speaker 3: Mohammed al Fayed, Dody's father. He came forth, He came

622
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: out publicly and stated that his son, Dodi and Diana

623
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Speaker 3: were both murdered by the British royal family, and he

624
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: started using all of his influence to try and find

625
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 3: whatever evidence he could find that this was the case.

626
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: A billionaire is now facing the royal family, which is.

627
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Speaker 1: Honestly going to be one of the few forces that

628
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: would be effective in presenting a counter argument. Yeah, you

629
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Speaker 1: know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And eventually al fay d totals up around one

631
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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five very specific claims that support his

632
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: belief that it was indeed an inside job by the

633
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Speaker 3: royal family.

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00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: The French government follows up on each of Fayed's claims

635
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: al Fayed's claims to the best of their ability. This

636
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: quickly becomes the most expensive road accident investigation in all

637
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Speaker 1: of French history, counting the time before the invention of

638
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the automobile. Autopsy reports from the mortuary mentioned earlier found

639
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: that the driver on Repall had been impaired while operating

640
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: the vehicle. At point one seven to five grams of

641
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: alcohol per milliliter of blood. He was around three point

642
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: five times over the legal limit for driving in France. Additionally,

643
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: there were antidepressants in his system if you believe that autopsy.

644
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: There was also paint on the car which showed that

645
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: the Mercedes had made grazing impact with a white vehicle

646
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: later identified partially due to the chemical composition of the

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00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: paint as a Fiat Una. This French judicial investigation last

648
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: eighteen months. It concludes in nineteen ninety nine, and it says,

649
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: here's what happened. We looked over what you're claiming, mister

650
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: al fa Ed. The crash was caused by the chauffeur Henrepall.

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00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: He lost control of the vehicle at high speed because

652
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Speaker 1: he was intoxicated. We have made a six thousand page

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Speaker 1: report on this and someone's like, oh, cool, publish it

654
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Speaker 1: and they're like none, Yeah, they never did. But British

655
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Speaker 1: law has to be involved too. This is a former

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Speaker 1: member of the government, really, so The way British law

657
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Speaker 1: works is it requires an inquest to be held whenever

658
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Speaker 1: there's a sudden or unexplained death, and this leads us

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Speaker 1: to something called Operation Paget or Operation Paget, depending on

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Speaker 1: how you want to go with it. The Metropolitan Police

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Speaker 1: prepare a report eight hundred and thirty two pages long.

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Speaker 1: This one is published, it's made available to the public.

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Speaker 1: You can read it now. It has sixteen chapters. It

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Speaker 1: goes into what they see as the sixteen broad categories

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Speaker 1: that al Fayed is raising when he says there's something wrong.

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Speaker 1: They were essentially looking at the stuff that al Fay

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Speaker 1: had said would be inconsistent with an accident, a pure

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Speaker 1: chaotic interaction of chance and tragedy, or consistent with MI

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Speaker 1: six having ordered the assassination. And after this operation concluded,

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Speaker 1: they handed it over to a British inquest and six

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Speaker 1: years after demise, Michael Burgess, who was then the coroner

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Speaker 1: for the Queen's Household. The British Queen's Household held the

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Speaker 1: inquest two thousand and eight. Inquest wraps up a United

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Speaker 1: Kingdom jury with eleven members, finds that Henri Paul, the

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Speaker 1: driver of the Mercedes at the time of the crash

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Speaker 1: was culpable due to his gross negligence and that yes,

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Speaker 1: his blood alcohol level was cartoonishly high, three times higher

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Speaker 1: than a reasonable driver should have. Yeah, and they also

679
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Speaker 1: found that paparazzi, specifically photographers, were partially responsible for the

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Speaker 1: fatal car accident by driving dangerously, driving recklessly, by possibly

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Speaker 1: distracting an already inebriated driver with flash photography, which goes

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Speaker 1: on to be incredibly important. The coroner for this was

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Speaker 1: a guy named Lord Justice Scott Baker, and he described

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Speaker 1: these verdicts as the equivalent of manslaughter in a criminal court,

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Speaker 1: which is important. That means someone dies due to maybe negligence,

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't have the best intentions for them, but

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Speaker 1: you're not trying to kill them.

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Speaker 3: At least, yes, And in this case is the driver

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Speaker 3: who wasn't trying to kill them as well as the paparazzi.

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Speaker 3: So no one was like fully attempting to murder anyone, right,

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Speaker 3: that's what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the French police cleared photographers are being directly linked

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Speaker 1: to it. But again, the Royal Court of Justice in

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Speaker 1: London heard multiple eyewitnesses talk about blocking cars that were

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Speaker 1: allegedly being used to try to slow down the Mercedes

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Speaker 1: or funnel it, you know, the way like you funnel

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Speaker 1: cattle to a slaughterhouse, into certain roots that they can predict.

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Speaker 1: They found the same thing. As far as the death

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Speaker 1: of dol de Fayed. They said, you know, it's drunk driver.

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Speaker 1: It's a drunk driver. It's a tragedy. The paparazzi is unethical,

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Speaker 1: but this is not murder. However, it should be no

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Speaker 1: surprise that some people still believe there's more to the story.

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Speaker 1: Quite a few people in Britain, here, in the US, Canada,

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Speaker 1: and around the world are convinced that the official explanation

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Speaker 1: is either somehow inaccurate or purposely a cover up. More

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Speaker 1: than twenty years after the fact, this conspiracy seems to

707
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Speaker 1: continue growing. It raises some fascinating points. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: them after a word from our sponsor.

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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 1: What if Diana's car accident wasn't an accident at all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for people who believe that Princess Diana's death was

712
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Speaker 3: the result of a homicide or a conspiracy rather than

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Speaker 3: an accident, it goes all the way to Buckingham Palace

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Speaker 3: to Royalty, and you know, you wonder well, why in

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Speaker 3: the world would somebody want to take you know, the

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Speaker 3: former Princess Diana out. She's no longer in your hair,

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Speaker 3: she's no longer doing anything, she's not representing you anymore.

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Speaker 3: Why would you want to take her out?

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is so Game of thrones. There's the idea

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Speaker 1: that Diana was secretly pregnant with do de Fayette's kid,

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Speaker 1: as well as engaged to him, and that the British

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Speaker 1: Queen was, wait for it, royally poded by the idea

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Speaker 1: of a Muslim child being associated.

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Speaker 2: With the family as a racist angleton somehow, yeah, right, right.

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Speaker 1: Somehow they were. They were like, look, it's all well

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Speaker 1: and good, we live in an integrated society, but no

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Speaker 1: Muslims in the inner circle. There's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: evidence to support that. It's more like an attitude people

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Speaker 1: assume the royal family would have.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Then there's the one that Charles needed his ex wife

732
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Speaker 2: dead to somehow clear the way for this new marriage.

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Speaker 1: And many of these claims would have faded off of

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Speaker 1: the mainstream radar probably were it not for Dodie's father,

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Speaker 1: Muhammad al Fayed. He remains convinced to this day in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen that the British Royal family or the forces

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Speaker 1: under their command murdered his son. There's something interesting here,

738
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Speaker 1: because you know, we have to be very human again

739
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Speaker 1: and remember that no parents should ever have to bury

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Speaker 1: their child. So of course you want to find for

741
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Speaker 1: such a horrific catastrophe to occur. So you'll hear people say,

742
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Speaker 1: sometimes diplomatically, sometimes in a somewhat callous manner, that this

743
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: man is just grasping its straws because he can't believe

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Speaker 1: that something as simple and chaotic as an accident could

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Speaker 1: have taken his child's life. But then we see these

746
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: strange breadcrumbs people have put together, and we're going to

747
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Speaker 1: give you a couple of those to hear and to

748
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Speaker 1: hear what you think, and we'd love to hear from

749
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Speaker 1: you afterwards as well, to let us and your fellow

750
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Speaker 1: listeners know where you find yourself in this story. Diana,

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Speaker 1: Princes of Wales, may have predicted her own death, at

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Speaker 1: least that's what her former butler Paul Burrell believes. When

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Speaker 1: he came forward in two thousand and three, he claimed

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Speaker 1: that the princess had given him a note a dated

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Speaker 1: signed note ten months before death as an insurance policy,

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Speaker 1: was written two months after her nineteen ninety six divorce

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Speaker 1: from Chuck. Diana claimed in the note she believed there

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Speaker 1: was a plan for an accident in my car, brake

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Speaker 1: failure and serious head injury to clear the wave for

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Speaker 1: her ex husband to marry their son's nanny, Tiggy leg Bork.

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Speaker 1: This letter is not universally accepted. It's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of press. Came forward in a book that the butler wrote,

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Speaker 1: But there are people who will claim that Burrell, as

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Speaker 1: her longtime butler, knew her handwriting well and was capable

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Speaker 1: of forging it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and at that point, it's who do you believe?

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Speaker 3: That's really what it comes down to you.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, you know, what would a DNA

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Speaker 1: test be worthwhile on that thing, because I would assume

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily prove anything since they were probably in

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Speaker 1: close contact.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting in whoever has handled it since then, who

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Speaker 3: knows how it was kept? But also, you know handwriting analysis.

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Speaker 3: I haven't actually seen a full investigation into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. There are other there are other

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Speaker 1: big claims too.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well, just the last thing with that is

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Speaker 3: that just because she was she had some fears about

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Speaker 3: her ex husband with this other person, does not mean

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Speaker 3: that he killed her for this reason. And I don't.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those tough it's a tough thing.

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Speaker 1: Just because her personal belief was there, even if it

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Speaker 1: was her sincere personal belief, it doesn't mean that that's

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Speaker 1: what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's a fantastic point. I think that's something that many

787
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Speaker 1: of us accidentally clays over. But if we're thinking critically,

788
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Speaker 1: then we have to we have to acknowledge that. We

789
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Speaker 1: also have to acknowledge a lot of the I would

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Speaker 1: say the bulk of the conspiratorial claims on all fa

791
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Speaker 1: Ed's part concern secret connections to m I six the

792
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Speaker 1: Intelligent Services is are is essentially that the royal family

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Speaker 1: wanted his, his son, and and Princess Diana dead, but

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Speaker 1: that you know, the Queen's not going to be out

795
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Speaker 1: there with a sniper rifle. You know, Prince Charles isn't

796
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Speaker 1: gonna show up in like a weird mech or something

797
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Speaker 1: or pop tires. So they say am I six did

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Speaker 1: their dirty work.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, and it let's just let's game here, really, fast.

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Speaker 3: If you are going to murder a former princess and

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Speaker 3: her lover, you cannot make it not look like an

802
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: accident because it will be such a high profile case

803
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Speaker 3: immediately no matter how the death occurs. If if you

804
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Speaker 3: were going to take out a princess or royalty, you

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Speaker 3: would have to make it look like an accident.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's one of the other big things that

808
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: comes into play here because you got people talking about

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Speaker 3: I mean spy literally like the British people paying basically

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Speaker 3: with their taxes to have the princess murder.

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Speaker 2: But are there any theories surrounding like it with the

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Speaker 2: paparazzis or plants and they were trying to distract the

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Speaker 2: driver and trying to force them off the road, Like

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Speaker 2: do we have any concrete was there, you know, supposedly

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Speaker 2: any manipulation done with the car, any like tampering with

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've never really seen anything like any of

817
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Speaker 2: those claims.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, the claim is you don't have to tamper

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Speaker 3: with the car if you've got the driver on your payroll, right.

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Speaker 3: That's that's when he goes back to Henri Paul and

821
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Speaker 3: you know, did he or did he not have any

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Speaker 3: kind of contacts with the world of intelligence or with

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Speaker 3: you know, people who conduct espionage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Theorists as well as his friends and people who personally

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Speaker 1: knew him, will claim that he had extensive contacts in

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Speaker 1: the world of intelligence and spycraft. And they'll claim this

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Speaker 1: because of the nature of his employment at the RITZ.

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Speaker 1: The Ritz is a place where important people hang out.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have access there behind the curtain. Was

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Speaker 1: he in the pay of an intelligence agency? The evidence

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Speaker 1: to support this theory, or that purports to support this theory,

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00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: comes mainly from an unusual amount of money that was

834
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Speaker 1: found in his possession at the time of his death,

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Speaker 1: as well as his personal wealth, which doesn't People will

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Speaker 1: argue he makes more money than his position would imply,

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Speaker 1: and then the argument follows he was essentially framed for this,

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Speaker 1: or possibly drugged or had the results of his autopsy doctored.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I couldn't help it to.

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Speaker 2: The idea that he was not drunk of his own volition.

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Speaker 2: But he was not drunk of his own free will,

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Speaker 2: right right?

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00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: So another and his friends and family said he liked

844
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Speaker 1: a beer, but he you know, he would love to

845
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: have a night on town with the boys, but he

846
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Speaker 1: wasn't like a problematic drinker. Another allegation concerns the reliability

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Speaker 1: of the blood tests that were carried out. The French

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Speaker 1: investigator's conclusion that he was drunk was made on an

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Speaker 1: analysis of blood samples, and this was according to a

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Speaker 1: September nineteen ninety seven report. A British pathologist hired by

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Speaker 1: al Fayed challenged these results and the French authorities carried

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Speaker 1: out more tests, but every time they said, we see

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Speaker 1: that he is at approximately three three and a half

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Speaker 1: times over the limit and taking antidepressants. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: This is a point counterpoint opinion war between al Fayed

856
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Speaker 1: and the French government, or as he would say, the

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Speaker 1: royal family. There's another there's a more interesting angle though

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Speaker 1: than Henri Paul. We're not going to get the answers

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Speaker 1: for that, but maybe we can find out more from

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Speaker 1: Richard Tomlinson. Very interesting character. Reminds me of some of

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Speaker 1: the kind of wild West oss dudes we talked about

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Speaker 1: with the US and Intelligence services. Tomlinson worked for six

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Speaker 1: he was a He's someone who gave testimony to the

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Speaker 1: French inquiry in May of nineteen ninety nine. He said

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Speaker 1: under oath. Mind you six was involved in the crash.

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Speaker 1: The Security Service has documentation which will help you figure

867
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Speaker 1: out what's going on. You have to ask them. Furthermore.

868
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: I believe that Henri Paul was working for Security Services

869
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe six, I don't know. They were working for someone

870
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: one of the spook squads, and that this Trevor Rees

871
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: Jones guy was a contact for British intelligence. He goes

872
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: on to say I six was monitoring Diana before her death.

873
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: He told Mohammad al Fayed himself that Henri Paul was

874
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: an I six agent, and he said to the guy,

875
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: he said, Al Fay ed the death of Princess Diana

876
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: and your son mirror's plans. I saw a few years ago,

877
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety two for the assassination of then

878
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: President of Serbia, Slobodon Mololsovich. They used the strobe light

879
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: to blind his chauffeur. That was their plan.

880
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: Wow, and it's crazy too. You're talking about the strobe

881
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: light idea. That image you were talking about earlier in

882
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: the show, that is presumably one of these paparazzi images

883
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: that was taken through the front windshield of the car

884
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: incredibly close. It does look like you can see the

885
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: flashbulb in the driver's eyes, but he also has a

886
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 2: very odd look on his face, like a little doped

887
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: up looking.

888
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would concur with your assessment there, and it

889
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: does definitely feel strange. You got to remember that the

890
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: lens could be you know, pretty telephotos, so they could

891
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: Maybe the vehicle isn't as close as it appears. But

892
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: that flash, and that's the big thing here. The flash

893
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: is troublesome no matter how far away they are, if

894
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 3: it's coming directly in front of them.

895
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: And if you're a photographer, if you know anything about photography,

896
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: you probably wouldn't use a flash in that situation, would you.

897
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: What do you think from that far away? Like, why

898
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: would you use a flash in a tunnel? Like I mean,

899
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: I guess you would. If you're moving really fast, you

900
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: might need to use a flash to get to capture

901
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: an image and not be blurry. Yeah, still seems odd

902
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: to use it from so far away on glass, because

903
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: if you're shooting through you know a window flash is

904
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: gonna reflect and mess up your shot, right.

905
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: But ultimately your goal is to illuminate the interior of

906
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: the vehicle, right.

907
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: So initially m I six doesn't deign this worthy of response,

908
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: but a source in I six later confirms that there were.

909
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: In fact, this is interesting. Here's their problem with with

910
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: the guy's testimony. They say, no, of course, we had

911
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: no plans for that. Our own government cleared us after

912
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: their investigation. And this guy is lying about this crazy

913
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: Kokammi plant caused car accidents through strobe light weaponization, and

914
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you never did that, and they're like, well, yeah,

915
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: we did, but it wasn't with Slovodam Melosevich. So clearly

916
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: you can't believe this guy at all. That was a different,

917
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: sketchy European dude that we were trying to kill. Anyway,

918
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: this interview was over, so Tomlinson's claims were never officially corroborated.

919
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: It's just off the record six and alleged I six

920
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: members backing him up. However, he was imprisoned in nineteen

921
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: ninety seven for breaking the Official Secrets Act. He sent

922
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: a snopsis of a book that he wanted to write

923
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: about his career with Six to an Australian publisher. He

924
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: served six months of a one year sentence, got paroled,

925
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: and then immediately skipped the country. The inquiry concluded by

926
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: dismissing his claims. They said it was an embellishment. It's

927
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: not a lie, but an embellishment, and he said, you know,

928
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: they said furthermore, his embellishment is dangerous because it's one

929
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: of the primary reasons people have these theories still that

930
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: the British elite murdered one of their own. Tomlinson was

931
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: also arrested by French authorities in two thousand and six

932
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: when they were doing their inquiry into the death. French

933
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: police at the time seized computer files and personal papers

934
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: from his home in can and then eventually kind of

935
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: got away. They said he wasn't worth prosecuting. In two

936
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, he went ahead and published the book

937
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: The Big Breach. People describe him as kind of an

938
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: arrogant James Bond esque character.

939
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that seems about Ryan basing everything we know.

940
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: So he was allowed to return to Britain in two

941
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: thousand and nine get royalties from his book. They dropped

942
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: the threat of charges against him as long as he

943
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: had sort of a gentleman's agreement to stop exposing the

944
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: skeletons in the six Closet. They were like, stop talking

945
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: to the press, stop talking about your old job, which

946
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: you know naturally leads us to conclude that he probably

947
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: had something on him. You know what I mean. They

948
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't know what else you might.

949
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 3: Have, absolutely, because they basically just said, just leave it alone.

950
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: We'll leave you alone.

951
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: Let's just stop. That's crazy.

952
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: Let's do Let's do one Let's do one more thing.

953
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 2: Okay, you say one more thing.

954
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that Fiat you mentioned.

955
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 1: Heck, yeah, Fiat, that white, that white paint, real smoke,

956
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: show those things.

957
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: When I see white Fiat in print, I can't help

958
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: but think of the Starbucks beverage, the flat white, because

959
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: Fiat looks like flat on paper.

960
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: That's a I didn't know that was a of a

961
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: flat white.

962
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: No, Is it just milk? No, It's like an espresso

963
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: with milk on top of those like a little dot

964
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: of milk kind of So what about that white Fiat.

965
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: Well, there were witnesses who were there, obviously, there are

966
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: a lot of people who were in that tunnel at

967
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: the time, and seven of them said they saw a

968
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: white Fiat Uno, the one we mentioned earlier that may

969
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: or may not have made contact with a vehicle and

970
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: a motorcycle speeding out of the tunnel just seconds after

971
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: the crash, And there was a lot of testing afterwards.

972
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: The forensics basically confirmed that a white Fiat Uno collided

973
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 3: with the Mercedes carrying Diana Undti and everyone else, and

974
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: this collision was definitely a significant factor in the crash.

975
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: Now that's big, Yeah, that's really big. And then there

976
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 3: are other eyewitnesses who told the police that they saw

977
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: a powerful flash of light just seconds before the crash,

978
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: before the not they crash itself, like the impact flash

979
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: impact flash. Think about it this way, flash swerve impact, right,

980
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: which is you know that blinding that we were talking about,

981
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: which it most certainly would in a darkened tunnel like that,

982
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: if you had essentially headlights coming right at you all

983
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 3: of a sudden, there would be a blinding effect.

984
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. The police say they have been unable

985
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: to locate either the vehicles, either the Fiat or the motorcycle,

986
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: or identify the driver or the passengers. However, there's a

987
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: guy Jean Paul James Andenson who is closely associated with

988
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: this white Fiat Oh and we should we should point

989
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: out they might sound strange. They were able to find

990
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: a specific make, model, of car based just on a pigment.

991
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: They were able to find that because it was a

992
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: factory pigment from Fiat, so they were able to match samples.

993
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Together.

994
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: There are things like that that are occurring all over

995
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: manufacturing these days, where you could easily identify a certain vehicle,

996
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: a certain table even, or a pencil or any of that.

997
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: Still, don't print out ransom notes on your printer.

998
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: And he's supposed to use this magazine cutouts. That's what

999
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do.

1000
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: Any printer that, any printer that you can commercially buy,

1001
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: is going to have identifying pixels that are there for

1002
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: a reason. The world's probably a slightly better place that

1003
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: they're there. I'm not totally against it, to be honest,

1004
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: only slightly, slightly slightly. But so back to this guy,

1005
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: James Anderson, Jean Paul James Anderson, Uh, he is linked

1006
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: with this. He is linked with this White Fiat. People

1007
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: who believe there was a conspiracy, no homicide, are convinced

1008
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: that he was intimately involved with this. He had been

1009
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: threatening to write an expose a and explosive book. He

1010
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: had links with the Secret Service. Apparently he met with

1011
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: an author named Frederic Dard to discuss this book he said,

1012
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: would blow the lid off a conspiracy. And then he

1013
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: was found in a torched car, allegedly with two bullet

1014
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: wounds in his head. Wow, and the authorities ruled that

1015
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: it was suicide.

1016
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

1017
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: Dard also died.

1018
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: How do you torch your own car?

1019
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: You mean the junction man?

1020
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1021
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: So the so he and the author both died.

1022
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yep. And Mohammed al Fayed urged police to reopen

1023
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: the investigation into Anderson's death. But at this point it

1024
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: didn't happen. And you know this, this story goes on

1025
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: and on and on. Like the the British public. If

1026
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: you were listening to this in the United Kingdom, you

1027
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: are a member of the most one of the most

1028
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: heavily surveiled populations on the planet. There are more closed

1029
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: circuit television cameras or CCTV camps in the UK per

1030
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: person than there are anywhere else on the planet. So

1031
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: why didn't these catch more of the accident? That's one

1032
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: al fay Add's questions. It's a fair question. The problem

1033
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: is that's that number we just gave you about, you know,

1034
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: being the most highly observed or surveilled. It's it's tricky.

1035
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: It's number of cameras per person, but most of those

1036
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: are private, so they're not looking out on the street.

1037
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: They're looking out at the door of the business. The

1038
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: off license are whatever, which is their name for liquor

1039
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: stores that I that you know, so that they can

1040
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: identify a burglar. They're not there to monitor traffic.

1041
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the traffic monitors come much later. And we're still

1042
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: talking nineteen ninety seven, so you're absolutely right.

1043
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: So without without going into the entire we would have

1044
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: to do a mini series on all the screwy things

1045
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: about this tragedy. Without going into it entirely, I have

1046
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: to say, still, there's one big problem with this, which

1047
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: is that there are other more certain ways to kill anyone.

1048
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't be plastered all over the news and

1049
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: have a gazillion photographs of it.

1050
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: What do you mean, what an airplane crash?

1051
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, there would still be photos everywhere, but

1052
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to prove it would be it

1053
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: would be easier to just say, oh, it's an accident,

1054
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 3: I guess maybe, or I.

1055
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: Mean, you know the classic tales all this time movie devices,

1056
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: fake somebody's suicide. There was strife in this relationship. They

1057
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: could have written off a princess die suicide.

1058
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, say, I don't know, execute someone with bullets in

1059
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: a car and then burn that vehicle.

1060
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: Also true, and still not as weird as the guy

1061
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: who uh got who got as fixated locked up in

1062
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: a duffel bag.

1063
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1064
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: Suicide, Yeah, suicide is a huge cause of death for

1065
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: intelligence service operatives, it appears. But but yeah, I wonder

1066
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: about that too. It seems a little bit not not

1067
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: to be automatically dismissive. It seems first blush, kind of

1068
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: Rube Goldberg esque, you know, unnecessarily complicated. It's why play

1069
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: mouse trap? Why introduce all these other variables? There are

1070
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: other people on the street, it's a public street. Why

1071
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: flash strobe lights or other devices at people just in

1072
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: the hopes that there's a chance that it causes an accident,

1073
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: and then, furthermore, hope that there's a chance that of

1074
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: the four people in the car, one of the ones

1075
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: who dies will be the person you are quote unquote

1076
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: trying to get like, I can see the sides of this,

1077
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: I can see how the details are screwy, But what

1078
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: do you guys think.

1079
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely with you. Oukham's razor is pretty darn

1080
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: strong with this. Just the pressure that the proparazzi was

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Speaker 3: putting on the driver who was intoxicated or at least

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Speaker 3: his blood, especially when they tested his eye fluid, because

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Speaker 3: originally they were testing just you know, blood, they took

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Speaker 3: blood signals, they test that for blood alcohol. But then

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Speaker 3: they were using the I forget what they call. It's

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Speaker 3: not ocular fluid, but it's your eyes, and that gave

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Speaker 3: an even truer or in even harder to fake or introduce,

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Speaker 3: like falsely alcohol right because of the way it travels

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Speaker 3: through the capillaries and everything to get to your eye. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: once once that occurred, you can all in my mind

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Speaker 3: he was definitely drunk. The driver on re and the

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Speaker 3: paparazzi were definitely taking flash photographs, and they were definitely speeding,

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Speaker 3: and you put all that together, in my mind, you

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Speaker 3: get accident and and that to me is really all

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Speaker 3: you need. However, it's not that I'm not intrigued by

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Speaker 3: some of the some of the claims that Muhammad alf

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Speaker 3: I had had. They all though seem to be coming

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Speaker 3: or stemming from that Tomlinson character has he still has

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Speaker 3: the ghost apologies. Correct.

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Speaker 2: It's like you said, Ben, I mean, it's grief manifests

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Speaker 2: itself in all kinds of ways, and like you said, Matt,

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Speaker 2: one of them can be I need someone to blame

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Speaker 2: for this, and you can. It can become an obsession.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there's something at the other end of that obsession.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just an obsession, and it's like you're chasing ghosts,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're punching it shadows it.

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Speaker 1: Also, regardless of what we think about this personally, it

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Speaker 1: also absolutely does not help that for all all virtual, practical,

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Speaker 1: forget it all literal purposes, the royal family is above

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Speaker 1: the law, you know what I mean. Yeah, there are

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Speaker 1: no consequences and the you know, if if the pr

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Speaker 1: turns bad for them, they can just have like a

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Speaker 1: Megan Markle take over the celebrity news for a while

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Speaker 1: and then some of the underlings and m I six

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Speaker 1: will you know, will take the fall for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is life without consequences. That's so it's it's pretty

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Speaker 1: It absolutely doesn't mean that they were like, hey, why

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Speaker 1: let's fake a suicide and then it doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 1: one turned around is like, no, let's be weird with it.

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Speaker 1: It just means that. It just means that, unlike the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of people on this planet, they would not

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Speaker 1: go to jail for a murder. They just wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they would have plausible deniability no matter what.

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Speaker 1: Am I five and m I six do have licenses

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Speaker 1: to kill. Remember we did an episode on that that

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Speaker 1: was really depressing.

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Speaker 2: Not just a clever catchphrase. Yeah, it turns out.

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Speaker 1: And we're no different. But thank you for checking out

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Speaker 1: our show today. Folks, let us know where were you

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Speaker 1: Paul and Diana and Princess of Wells. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's an accident? Do you think there's more to the story.

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Speaker 1: If so, what and why? And that's our classic episode

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