1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase that Lee. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: It's the Phillies Show. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 3: Hi, everybody, Rubinamara Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. Today we 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 3: are going to project the Phillies twenty twenty six opening 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 3: day roster, and we're doing it. This episode's posting on 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: Monday morning, and we're doing it because a week from 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: today the Phillies play their last Grape Rud League game, 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: and then March twenty six, just a few days later, 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: is opening Day against the Rangers at Citizens Bank Park. 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: And there are a few jobs. 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 3: Up for discussion, up for grabs, and two of those 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: jobs are on the bench. We've got a backup catcher, 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: We've got the fourth bench bat, the fourth and final 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: bench bat. And so I say we start there, Guys, 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: what do you think this is? 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 4: This is when things got really nervous for me. Why 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 4: why it took us was very tight. 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 5: It's funny you said that, ruben U. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: I once did a story way back when about the 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: final week of camp and how nerve wracking it is. 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: It was for like the twenty fifth man and I 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: one of the people I talked to was the late 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: great John Vukovich, who spent his whole career as the 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: twenty fifth man. And he said, you wake up in 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 2: the middle of the night seeing snakes. 26 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: What did you see, Ruben. 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 4: He's not right. I saw. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 6: I probably saw scorpions for me now, I mean, listen it. 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 6: It did keep you up at night, There's no question 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 6: because back then, you know, playing in Triple A is 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 6: very different than it is in the Major than than 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 6: Triple A back then. But I will tell you it 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 6: was the difference between heaven and hell. There's no question 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 6: about that. It's heaven and hell and so many things 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 6: that are associated with being in the big leagues as 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 6: opposed to being in Triple A. Never did you ever 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 6: want to be, you know, on that train back to 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 6: Triple A. But sometimes you had to grin and Barrett 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 6: and I grinned and beard it a lot of times. 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 6: And it's a very nerve wracking part of the part 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 6: of your career, you know about it. 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: One thing I think a little bit has changed from 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: the time you played is the they turn these rosters 44 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: quite often these days. Guys are up and down, you know, locally, 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: up and down the Northeast Extension. You know, when I 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: worked in New England, they were up and down route 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: ninety five going to Boston. It just seems like these 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: front offices, you know, make a lot of moves, a 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: lot of transactions that that that roster is almost like 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty thirty one, thirty 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: two spots deep. So if if you are laying awake 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: looking at snakes this week and you are going to 53 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: go to Lehigh Valley, you can't let it bring you 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: down because you need to go there and perform, because 55 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: you could be rather quickly, and if you do the job, 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: you could stay. 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: So let's go ahead. A question, no question about it. 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 6: It's all about, uh, whether you have options, you don't 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 6: have options. There's a lot of things that are associate 60 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 6: with it, and uh outrights and that sort of thing. 61 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: But uh, no doubt about that. 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 6: These next uh, these next you know, six days are 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 6: really frightening. 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's start. Let's talk bench. We're gonna start 65 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: with the bench. We know ed Mundo Sosa is on 66 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: the team. We know Auto Kemp is on the team. 67 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: He's going to platoon in left field with Brandon Marshall. 68 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: Though he has not had a great spring out of camp, 69 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: has really struggled this spring. 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, Alert Alert Alert, Oh alert. 71 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Wait hold on, wait, wait, Ruben, do you say alert? 72 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 5: Hold on? 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 6: I love Auto Camp and I know that he can 74 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 6: do some damage against lefties, but he has struggle. We 75 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 6: talked about the numbers punched out a bunch of times 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 6: so far this spring. And yes, he's feeling healthy and 77 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 6: I love the guy, and I hope he makes the 78 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 6: ball club and gets his act together and starts swinging 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 6: the bat well this night last week. 80 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: But think about this for a second. 81 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 6: They do have Dylan Moore and they have Garrett Stubbs 82 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 6: playing a couple of different positions. Now there is a 83 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 6: scenario sure where Dylan Moore and Stubbs makes the team 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 6: and they can option the other guy out until he's 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 6: ready to go, meaning Auto Kemp. I don't think that's 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 6: gonna happen, but if you want to, you know, there's 87 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 6: a scenario that that can happen. 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: I doubt it will. I just want to throw that 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 4: little piece of information out. 90 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: That's great stuff. 91 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: They're very intrigued by Camp's bat, even though he has 92 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: struggled this spring. If I had to wager, I'd say 93 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: he probably gets there as part of a platoon with 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: Marsh but you know, Stubbs did get out and left 95 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: field today. I think carrying purely three catchers is a 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: long shot. But I don't know if one week of 97 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: camp is enough for Stubbs to prove his versatility, even 98 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: though he has played the outfield in Houston in the past. 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: So it is a fascinating little little topic here whether 100 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: they could shuffle that. But all winter long, it's been 101 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: pointing toward camp making making this team. And you mentioned 102 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: Dylan Moore. I think he's on the team because Rob 103 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: Thompson has talked about how he wants that last guy 104 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: to be very versatile, and that is, you know, his 105 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: calling card, Dylan morris calling card, the versatility. Moore has 106 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: got an out in his contract. I think on the 107 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: twenty first Dela Cruz has really swung it very well 108 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: Brian Delacruz here in camp, but he doesn't have that 109 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: type of versatility and he does not have an out 110 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: until July, So that bench is there's still some intrigue there. 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: We know we know so Else is going to be 112 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: there because they love him and he's a he's a 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: good player. 114 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 5: He's a really good player. 115 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 6: He's a really good player. Maybe even a great player 116 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 6: for his role. And Todd, what do you think about 117 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 6: this whole? 118 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 5: Well? 119 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: You know, I yeah, I asked Rob Thompson just the 120 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: other day because day La Cruz has had a really 121 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 3: solid spring. You know, he played really well in winter ball, 122 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 3: He's played really well in the Great Fru League, and 123 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: so I kind of wanted just to make sure, you know, 124 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: sometimes obviously opinions change. You're still thinking that last bench bat, 125 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: somebody can play the infield, in the outfield, and he said, yes, 126 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: that is my. 127 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: That is my preference. 128 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: So I ad knowing like Jim just said, day La 129 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 3: Cruz has that out not until July leads me to 130 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: think that they will start him there. You know, Stubbs 131 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: Marshawan backup catcher. I think we all seem to agree 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: it's probably going to be Marshwan. You know, Stubbs has that. 133 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: Now. 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: What's interesting about this is if Stubbs doesn't make the 135 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: opening day roster, the Phillies would have to put him 136 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: on waivers. If he's not by anybody, there's a chance 137 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: he could be claimed, I guess as a backup catcher somewhere. 138 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: A lot of teams need catching. But if he clears 139 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: waivers by the Phillies, and the Phillies give him an 140 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: outright assignment to Triple A. He has enough service time 141 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: where he can elect to become a free agent, but 142 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: he has this split contract where he's going to make 143 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: five hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in Triple A. 144 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: So if Stubbs would elect free agency, he would forfeit 145 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: that contract and then he would look for another job elsewhere. 146 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: And there's no guarantee that uh, you know, I say 147 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: he signed with I'm just going to make up a 148 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: team the Twins, for instance, they might say, well, we're 149 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: not going to pay a five to seventy five in 150 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: Triple A. 151 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: We'll pay you two fifty. 152 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: Two fifty is what Zach Popp, the right handed reliever, 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: is getting get in his split contract. So it's kind 154 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: of an interesting decision that Garrett Stubbs would have to 155 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: make if he got to that point. So there's something 156 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: else to kind of for fans to think about when 157 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: you talk about, you know, possibly losing Garrett Stubbs if 158 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: he doesn't make the opening day roster. 159 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 6: Say, this isn't the personal stuff that people really don't understand. 160 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 6: All that well, this young man, Garrett Stubbs, great kid, 161 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 6: great young man, personal player, good solid catcher, but he's 162 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 6: got to make a decision based on his family. He 163 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 6: just had a baby, and he's a guy that has 164 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 6: to figure out, Okay, do I stay in the organization 165 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 6: that I really that knows me well and they know 166 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 6: that if there's an injury, I'm gonna be the next 167 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 6: guy probably come to. 168 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: The big leagues. 169 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 6: It's all based on the fact that he may not 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 6: make the team, and should I continue to make the 171 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 6: kind of money at that. 172 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: Level pro rated. 173 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 6: Based on what I can do for my family? These 174 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 6: are all really important. Or should I roll the dice 175 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 6: and hope that my agent can hook me up in 176 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 6: a spot that's going to be, you know, really strong 177 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 6: for me and my family short term and long term. 178 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 6: There's so many things to think about and a lot 179 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 6: of personal decisions that have. 180 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: To be made under these circumstances. It's it's interesting stuff. 181 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: Staying in an organization where the people who make decisions 182 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: and the staff is familiar with you. It can be 183 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: beneficial to you because. 184 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 6: In the major leagues with the Phillies, why I never know, Yeah, 185 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 6: why I signed a you know, minor league contract because 186 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 6: I came back because I knew they knew me, and 187 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 6: I felt like there was there was a connection there. 188 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: They know your skill set, there's something you don't have 189 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: to go prove yourself in front of a new set 190 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: of eyeballs and a new analytics team. So and like 191 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: I said, the way these guys use rosters, you're only 192 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: a phone call away. So if he's not on the team, 193 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: it may be wove him financially and you know, opportunity wise, 194 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: maybe to stay here. 195 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: Right, So we think right now it's Marshawn over Stubbs 196 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: backup catcher and then probably Dylan more for that last 197 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 3: base spot. 198 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, based on what Topper's been saying about versatility. Yeah, 199 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: I mean, how many gloves does Dylan Moore. 200 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: Have he's got? I talked to him the other day 201 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: about this. 202 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: He's got obviously, he's got his first baseman's met, he's 203 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 3: got a third baseman's mit, he's got a middle infielders 204 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: gloves a glove, and he's got obviously his outfielders gloves. 205 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: So he carries all those positions. I asked him, I 206 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: did ask him. I said, so, are you like the 207 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: de facto emergency catcher goes, oh god, no, He's like 208 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: he wants no part of being the emergency catcher. So 209 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 3: I don't know who to be the emergency catcher if 210 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: something happened to two guys in one game. 211 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was kind of fun. 212 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: I was like, really, I said, I would just assume 213 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: you're a twenty twenty four Gold Glover utility utility player, 214 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: you'd be the emergency catcher. 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: Goes, No, that's not me, So it's gonna have to 216 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: be somebody else. 217 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 4: That's a tough one. 218 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 6: The only I guess the one thing that I would 219 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 6: say about this whole scenario is that as a GM. 220 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: You have to look at short term and long term scenario. 221 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 6: The one way that they can keep everybody, literally keep everybody, 222 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 6: is by having Garrett Stubbs make the team and send 223 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 6: Dylan Moore out. I know he's got an out unless 224 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 6: they feel like, you know, Dylan more will take a 225 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 6: job if they want to keep. 226 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: Everybody and keep all your assets. I don't think that's 227 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 4: going to happen. 228 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 6: Because I do believe and I and I believe in 229 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 6: this is that as a GM, particularly with the twenty 230 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 6: fifth or twenty sixth man nowadays, you want to allow 231 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 6: Rob Thompson the manager, to make that decision because he's 232 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 6: the one who's gonna be utilizing that player. 233 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: Great point. So okay, let's you know, it's it's it's 234 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: it's uh, it's Monday, and it's time for Manco and 235 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: Manco Best Week. 236 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: There's Jimmy crushing some za. 237 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 5: That's an out, that's a preview of later. 238 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: That's a that is a preview of later down in 239 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: clear wat. 240 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 4: I just love that artwork, man, it is just fantastic. 241 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: That is once so Manco Manco Best Week. As you know, 242 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: all season long, the first episode, every week we're gonna 243 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: be talking about the Phillies' best Phillies player, play, performance, 244 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: whatever we want, and this week is kind of a 245 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: unanimous one. 246 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: I feel like we're all. 247 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: We're all on the Alec Boom bandwagon. He hit two 248 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: home runs. What day was that Friday against the Orioles. 249 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: He hit one one day and two the next day, 250 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: So three and twenty, you know. 251 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: Two days and you yeah, So, I mean, Alec Bohm 252 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: has had a fantastic spring. It's been a big year 253 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: for him. Rubin Jim, We've talked about it all spring long. 254 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: He's coming with a great mindset. I talked to him 255 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: early in camp and then Jim, you just talked to 256 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: him the other day and what was what was kind 257 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: of his mindset? 258 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: Correct, great mindset. He knows he's been a human trade 259 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: room for the last two years, and he don't care. 260 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: He's digging in that batter's box. He's making adjustments, looking 261 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: to turn and get the bat out a little bit 262 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: more in front, rubin on mistake type pitches without losing 263 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: that ability to hit the line drive to right center. 264 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 5: I talked about the you know, the. 265 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: Knock against him that the power is not there, but 266 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: he still wants to maintain be the hitter there that 267 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: he is, because he doesn't want to be a guy 268 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: who punches out one hundred and fifty times while maybe 269 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: adding just that ability to capitalize maybe on a middle 270 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: end mistake more often. I think he's in a great mindset. 271 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: I think this is the biggest year of his baseball 272 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: life going into the free agency. Could you have a 273 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 2: great year, You're gonna be a very wealthy man and 274 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: the team is gonna benefit from from it. Here in 275 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, and I think he's in a good 276 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: spot swinging it well here in spring training. That leads 277 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: me to believe that maybe the most important baseball year 278 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: of his life is a good one. 279 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: I don't disagree with any of that. 280 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 6: And just to add to what you just said, Jim, 281 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 6: you know I was really barren down on him on 282 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 6: the defensive side of the ball lately. I mean there 283 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 6: was a time when the ball was hit to the 284 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 6: left side of the infield, particularly at third base, where 285 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 6: you had some jitters right you were worried about that 286 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 6: play was going to be executed and finalized. And I 287 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 6: don't have that feeling at all now. I have complete 288 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 6: trust in Alec Bohm on so many different levels. Got 289 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 6: to give the guy a lot of credit. I know 290 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 6: he takes a lot of heat. I know he was 291 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 6: benched at some point. I know there's a lot to 292 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 6: talk about him. But he's a good baseball player. And 293 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 6: there's not a lot of free agent talent out there 294 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: in the next free agent class, particularly a third base. 295 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: Oh my word, this man could be awfully he would. 296 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: He would not take a lot of heat if if 297 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: they bat at him sixth. It's that whole thing about 298 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: the cleanup spot. And he's not an ideal clean up guy. 299 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: But you know that's the whole reason he takes heat. 300 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: But you know, he's a pretty thick skinned guy. And 301 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: you know the defensive struggles early. I always talked about 302 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: it takes a young player a little bit of time 303 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: to believe he can do it and believe he belongs. 304 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: I think that was a big part of it with 305 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: his his defense, because for so long in the minor leagues, 306 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: everybody said, oh, he's you know, he's a he's a 307 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: he's a first baseman disguised as a third baseman. He's 308 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: not gonna stay at third base. He can't play at third, 309 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: but he's gonna end up at first base. And I 310 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: think that, you know, he ended up believing it a 311 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: little bit, and it took him a while to, you know, 312 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: believe that he belonged and can play that position. And 313 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: he's really with Bobby Dickerson's help and Larry Bowa's help 314 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: and the belief of the organization, he's become a good, good, 315 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: hot cornerman. 316 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: And all those guys really really root for him. They 317 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: want him to have a monster, monster year. There's no 318 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: doubt about it. So Alec Bohm, Hey, congratulations, you get 319 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: a you get a full pie this week, dude. 320 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: He's a full full pie, full large. 321 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: A full large pie for Manco Manco. 322 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: So now all right, So we're gonna continue with our 323 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: opening day roster projections and these are all kind of set, 324 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: but we're gonna talk Philly's rotation, and this lines us 325 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: up to talk a little bit about. 326 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: The WBC uh Our five. 327 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: All of our World Baseball Classic coverage is brought to 328 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: you by our friends at Fox one, which is live 329 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: stream all your Fox favors together in one place, including 330 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: all WBC games over the next few weeks, and after 331 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: that the best MLB action all season long. So rotation, 332 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: we know, we know what it's going to be. Christopher Sanchez, 333 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: Jesus Lozardo, Aaron Nola and Yourew Painter, Taiwan Walker and 334 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler not too far behind. Tell you who's in 335 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: a good mood these days? It seems like Zach Wheeler's 336 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: in a good mood. He's i mean through through a 337 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: his first live ruben on Saturday here at bake Care Ballpark. 338 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: It went well, using good spirits. 339 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: Afterwards, I'll say he was in good spirits. He sent 340 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: ice cream up to the press box. 341 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: What No, No, it didn't get that taken to that point, Rubin. 342 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 7: But he is he's yeah, but I mean he just 343 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 7: looked like he's he in a really positive, upbeat frame 344 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 7: of mind. 345 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he never know like if he's hiding you know, 346 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: if he if he wasn't feeling great, man, he is 347 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: really hiding it well because he seems to be in 348 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: good spirits, like I said, just joking around, smiling, you know, 349 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: it was it was funny. So he comes out in 350 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: the field yesterday, Rubin, and you know, there's a lot 351 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 3: of fans, not a lot, but there's a good amount 352 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: of fans in the stands, and he gets a nice 353 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 3: round of applause, and and then he goes out and 354 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: he gets on the mount. He's warming up and I 355 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: think he punched out a couple guys, right, and he 356 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 3: got you got some cheers yeah from fans, And so 357 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: then afterwards we're talking to him, Rubin, and uh, Jim 358 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: afterwards goes, so, I mean, you know, he got some 359 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: cheers out there, did it? Did it mean anything to 360 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 3: you to to kind of get some some applause from 361 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: the fans, And that kind of pauses He go, yeah, yeah, 362 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: I guess so, and then Zach pauses and then dead pans, 363 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: looks at Jim and goes, did he clap for me 364 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: out there? 365 00:17:59,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Did he clap on me? 366 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 4: Jim? 367 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: I just I don't know what you said, but it 368 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: was I don't know what I said, but I just 369 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: kind of took it in. And that live bullpen session 370 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: had the feel of an event. There were fans here, 371 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: his three young kids were here with his wife, and 372 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: and he just you know, he's in the bullpen, he's 373 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 2: in full uniform, first time he saw a hitter since 374 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: the fifteenth of August. It had a real event feel 375 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: to it, and he just felt like, this is a 376 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 2: guy who can't wait to get back and make up 377 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: for some lost time those final two months last year 378 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: and missing October. He wants to reclaim that stuff this year. 379 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 6: Let's not marginalize the importance of this guys. Okay, this 380 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 6: is one of the best pitchers, if not the best 381 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 6: pitcher in the last five years in baseball, best starting pitcher, 382 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 6: no disrespect to like the Terri Schoobols of the world 383 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 6: and last five years of baseball. This guy is the 384 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 6: best starting pitcher I think in baseball. And so if 385 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 6: this guy is not in the rotation, is in the rotation. 386 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 6: I mean, it makes a difference. And so happy for him. 387 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 6: Came through a very very significant surgery, a lot of 388 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 6: questions about the future, his own personal health, all that stuff, 389 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 6: and the fact that he's doing well on that side 390 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 6: of the ball makes me happy for him and his family, 391 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 6: but also for the Philly fans. 392 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 4: The progression that he's had so far, that's got to 393 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 4: be great news for all folks involved. And it's very 394 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 4: possible you might seehim at the end of April. 395 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: Never yet, Yeah, no doubt so WBC. Christopher Sanchez, he's 396 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: with the Dominican right now. He pitched in the quarterfinal game. 397 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: He will not pitch again in the World Baseball Classic, 398 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: but he is going to remain with the team through 399 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: the end of the termin as far as they go. Well, 400 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: by the time this runs, they will have played the 401 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 3: United States. So Taiwan Walker just got back from Team Mexico. 402 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: He pitched pretty well on you know, really economical six 403 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: five innings, sixty pitches, scoreless, five scoreless innings. Aaron Nola 404 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 3: could pitch in the championship game for Team Italy on 405 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: Tuesday against either team Usa or the Dominican that is wild. 406 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 3: That is wild. He's had a great spring. And then 407 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: you've got Andrew Painter. Am I missing anybody? 408 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 6: Oh? 409 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Jesus, Sizzardo is going to pitch on Tuesday. 410 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 3: He was angling to pitch for Venezuela in the World 411 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: Baseball Classic, but he said, hey, listen, the Phillies just 412 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: kind of made this big commitment to me. I don't 413 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: know if I'm going to get the up downs I 414 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: need before opening day, so I'm going to hang back Harry's. 415 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: He expressed disappointment, but he also understands they just gave me, 416 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: you know, one hundred and thirty five million dollars. I'm 417 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: going to stay in clear Water. So and then of 418 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: course there's Andrew Painter in the rotation. 419 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Painters looked good. And then looking at that bullpen 420 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: shifting gears. Yeah, we figure there's one or wait, hold 421 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: hold on, hold. 422 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: On, just one second, hold on, I don't say one thing. 423 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 6: Let me just say one thing about there thing okay 424 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 6: for Venezuela got lit up a little bit by the 425 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 6: old Japanese folks. 426 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: Uh, and that was it. I thought that was interesting 427 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: to watch some of that game. 428 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: He did he did. 429 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: So wait, hold on, now, we gotta say from the 430 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: WBC through the World Series, to the World Cup, to 431 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: NASCAR and IndyCar with Fox one, you get it all live. 432 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: Start your seven day free trial today offers our subject 433 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 3: to change. Download Fox one today and stream the World 434 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: Baseball Classic live through Tuesday night Championship game Tuesday night. 435 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: Go to foxone dot com for complete terms and conditions. 436 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: Fox one is streaming now. All right, so now let's now, 437 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: let's go into the bullpen. 438 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I jumped a gun. I know you had 439 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 5: that fancy graphic. 440 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know they got we gotta use these, 441 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: We gotta use these great graphics here, Jims, come on, 442 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: we've we've dialed it up, all right. 443 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: So we got this. 444 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: There's a lot of things. You can do a lot 445 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: of things. 446 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: So we got the We get the first six spots 447 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 3: in the bullpen are lined up, locked up, and then 448 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 3: that leaves two jobs available. 449 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: And I should we go through the six guys that 450 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: have it. 451 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you got Deron Brad Keller, Jose al Varado, 452 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: Ryan Kirkering, Tanner Banks, Jonathan Bullen, Bowlan's the right hander 453 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: that they got. And then Matt Strom deal. And the 454 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: reason why we say he is a lock is because 455 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: he is out of options. You're not going to trade 456 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: for guy and then lose him in spring training. You're 457 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: gonna give him some run. He hasn't had a great spring, 458 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 3: but he's gonna make the team. So that has that 459 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: leaves two jobs available in the bullpen. 460 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: If not one, because I think had a really good spring. Uh, 461 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: and he brings that funky lefty side arm. 462 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 5: Look. 463 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I think he can really offer something. And 464 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: you know, with a week to go in camp, I 465 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: think right now he's kind of earned it. I mean, 466 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: I've I've seen things change quickly in the final weeks 467 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: of camp. Nineteen ninety seven, I've mentioned this before, but 468 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, Calvin Medora was sent to Triple A 469 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: in the final week of camp, and then two days 470 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: before they went north, he was summoned back to big 471 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: league camp because the Phillies put five pitchers on the 472 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: d L. Not only was he brought back to camp, 473 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: he was a nineteen d number two starter. So things 474 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: can change in the final week of camp. But I 475 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: kind of liked the way Backus is trending. 476 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Bacus has had a really nice spring throwing strikes. 477 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: It's gotten the last strikeouts. Hasn't walked a many guys. 478 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's might have walked one or 479 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: two guys all spring, but they and they love him 480 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 3: because he's lefty. 481 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: He's got that arm angle. 482 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: He gives hitters a different look that nobody, not very 483 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: many pitchers in all Major League Baseball are going to 484 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: give a hitter. 485 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: And as you know, like. 486 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: You know, that's that's that stuff is big. So I'm 487 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: putting Kyle backis Ruben, you got him on there. 488 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 4: Kyle's making the team. And my question is is a 489 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: Ryan Kirkering had enough reps to be ready to go? 490 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: That's that's a great question. 491 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: So Oriyan, as we know, he's been on the he 492 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: hasn't pitched the spring because he's had that Grade one 493 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: strained right hamstring. He threw a live right after Wheeler 494 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: did on Saturday. That was his second live. He is 495 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: going to pitch in a game on Tuesday. It might 496 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: not be a great free league game. It could be 497 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 3: a minor league game over at the Carpenter Complex. The 498 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 3: plan for Kirkering is to pitch three times before camp 499 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: breaks and then Rob Thompson said today, depending on how 500 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 3: he does hellieve it to be on the you know, 501 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 3: in the bullpen or not. 502 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, either on the IL or in the bullpen. 503 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 6: I mean, there's there is an argument to say, now 504 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 6: Matt Strom probably only pitched what once last spring, and 505 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 6: he was on the. 506 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 4: Major league roster opening day. I believe may see the 507 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 4: same sort. 508 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 6: Of thing out of Ryan Kirkering, just because they know 509 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 6: what he can bring to the table. But I mean, 510 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 6: if he really struggles in those three outings, they might 511 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 6: have to be thinking otherwise. I gotta believe that O'Ryan's 512 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 6: going to be on that club, but it's certainly something 513 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 6: to take a look at because he does they do 514 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 6: have maneuverability with him because they can put him on 515 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 6: the al or they can option him for a brief 516 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 6: moment because. 517 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: He has options and then bring him back if they 518 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: want to. 519 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 3: So just a thought, Yeah, that's and that's a great point. 520 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 3: That is definitely something to keep an eye. I say 521 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: Kirkering is a lock, but he does have to pitch 522 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: well in those those three games before the camp breaks 523 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: on March twenty third, so last that last bullpen job. 524 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: If Kirkering makes it if Bacus makes it. There's a 525 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: couple guys right now that are in line as Seth Johnson, 526 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: Chase Shugart who they got Sugart Shugart that they got 527 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: from the Oriols in the offseason. And then Zach Popp 528 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 3: was the he's signed to a big league deal. He 529 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: is out of options. Zach mccambelieve, Zach mccambley is the 530 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: Rule five kid. Those are the guys that are on 531 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: the forty man roster. So you always give those guys 532 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: and Edges a bunch of guys that aren't on the 533 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: forty man roster. But Zach Popp this spring five and 534 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: the third innings, six hits, four runs, two walks, five strikeouts, 535 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: shut Guart six and two thirds innings, three walks, four strikeouts, 536 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: three runs, Seth Johnson seven and two thirds innings, two runs, 537 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: six walks, five strikeouts. And then mcamberley's can't have somebody 538 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 3: who's not throwing strikes. 539 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Mccambley's numbers, Yeah, man, mccambley's. 540 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: Mccambley's numbers. 541 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: Six and two thirds innings, four hits, one run, five walks, 542 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: four strikeouts. So he's you know, walked a few guys 543 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: as well. 544 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: So well, we also have Maxwell Zar who's down right. 545 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: And Max Yeah, he's got an oblique so he is down, 546 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: so I would expect him Max. 547 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: Z Are probably would have been an inside track on that. 548 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 549 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 4: I think he would have been in the sidetrack. But 550 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 4: now he's hurt, probably not ready to go. 551 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 6: So I think unless he's healthy, If he's healthy, then 552 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 6: he's my he's my guy. 553 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Rob basically said he probably will not he 554 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: will not be ready to start the season, so you 555 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: can kind of cross him off off the list right now. 556 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: So of those guys, I guess, I mean, I mean, Ruben, 557 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 3: you've been in that spot. Does it really come down 558 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: to how they pitch in their final two or three 559 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 3: appearances in the last week? 560 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it as simple as that or other 561 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: factors at play? 562 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: So there's as a combination of those things. 563 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 6: Yes, they need to throw well, and I always like 564 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 6: to assess that those last few spots, you like to 565 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 6: assess them in the last week. We've talked about this before, 566 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 6: because everybody's pretty close to being ready to go, and uh, 567 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 6: you're talking about the big league lineups, especially when the 568 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 6: WBC goes away, So great time to assess those last 569 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 6: few guys, how nervous they are, how poised they are, 570 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 6: whether they're gonna throw enough strikes. The other four point 571 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 6: this is keeping as many assets as you possibly can 572 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 6: without losing them. That's why Zach Pop may be a 573 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 6: guy that will stay on this roster because he doesn't 574 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 6: have uh, he does not have options, and you stand 575 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 6: a chance to lose him if if you if he 576 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 6: does not make the roster. So he's the last guy, 577 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 6: he's the thirteenth guy. He's not going to pitch a lot. 578 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 6: Maybe you keep that asset just to make sure that 579 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 6: you keep as many bodies on the team as possible are. 580 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That makes a 581 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: lot of sense. So that's our projected opening roster. 582 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 5: We got it all figured out. 583 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: I mean we really we should be hired as consultants. 584 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 6: I do want to say one thing about the outfield now, 585 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 6: Adolas Garcia has not really performed all that well. I 586 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 6: have not seen like the you know, the solid contact 587 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 6: that you'd like to see out Adolis Garcia. But let's 588 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 6: go back again and talk and talk about Aaron Rowan. 589 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 4: Aaron Rowan had one of the. 590 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 6: Worst spring trainings I've ever seen a player have in 591 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 6: my lifetime, and came back and really played well during 592 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 6: that next season thirty home runs, one hundred RBIs or 593 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 6: eighty seven whatever it was before he parlayed then into 594 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 6: a long term contract. Sort of hoping that Adolas Garcia 595 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 6: gets his act going. I know it's tough sometimes when 596 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 6: you're making some adjustments, you have a new hitting coach, 597 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 6: you're talking to a lot of different people. At some point, 598 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 6: he's going to have to get it going. He's got 599 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 6: the ability to do it, there's no question about it. 600 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 6: But it's a matter of whether he whether or not 601 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 6: he can actually get it going, and I'm sure the 602 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 6: Phillies are hope hopefully he will well. 603 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: So and this is just a theory. 604 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: So I talked to him a little bit today and 605 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: he did really want to dig too deep into his 606 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 3: hitting in terms of you know what he's going through 607 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: right now. But we know that he's chased a crazy 608 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: amount the last two seasons, and the Phillies have really 609 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: been trying to hone him in. He has walked six 610 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: times this spring so far, he's only struck out twice. 611 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: I wonder I wonder if he's maybe in this little 612 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 3: caught between situation where he's just trying to like not 613 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 3: chase so much, not to chase so much, you know, 614 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 3: because I remember, you know, Nick Cassie's. 615 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: Talked about this a couple times in the past. 616 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: You know, he feels like he was so worried about 617 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: not chasing, he was just trying to like not chase, 618 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 3: not chase, not chase. 619 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: Maybe he's you know, not barrowing the ball up as much. 620 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: Who knows, But I just wanted to mention that he 621 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: has been getting on base a lot, for whatever it's worth. 622 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: Maybe there's something to that in terms of him what 623 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: he's working on this spring. 624 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 5: Too much thinking is enemy of good hitting. 625 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 4: I don't disagree that. 626 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: It's a great point, That's right. So guys, that was there. 627 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: You go. 628 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: So that that was our twenty or twenty six man 629 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six opening day roster projection A week to go. 630 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 3: Phillies break camp next Monday, March twenty third. Opening day 631 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: is Thursday, March twenty six. The Rangers, Phillies and the 632 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: Seagulls are They're circling us. Ruben Hope, I'll get poot. 633 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 4: On watch out watch watch out there for those worms. Guys. 634 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 4: They're dive bomb They're dive bombing for worms. 635 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna run out of here, Rubin. 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