1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Good Monday morning, and as Verdict with Center, Ted Kruz, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson with you and Centator, We've got a lot 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: to chat about, especially when it deals with what's happening 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: with Israel and Iran. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: It is day five of Israel's war with Iran, and 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: the entire world is watching with bated breath. Israel is 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: scoring major victories, taking out senior Iranian military leadership, doing 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: massive damage to Iran's nuclear facilities. We're going to break 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: down exactly what has happened. We're going to talk also 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: about the missiles that are flying back into Israel, about 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: the Israeli civilians who are being wounded, who are being 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: killed as a price for this war. We're going to 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 2: talk about the risks that American servicemen and women are 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: facing in the Middle East, and the risk all of 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: us are facing here at home, of the potential for 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: Iranian terrorism, and the question everyone is asking, what's next? 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: Where does this go? More than once I've had teenagers 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: at home ask is this World War III? The short 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: answer is no. But we're going to break down why 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: all of that on today's Verdict. 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really important show. 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: I want to also make sure you guys, remember hit 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: that subscribe auto download button and share this podcast on 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: your social media wherever you're listening right now. We've also 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: had so many of you that have asked the question, 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: how can I help people in Israel? And we've been 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: telling you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: and the work they are doing is incredible. They are 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: deploying bomb shelters as we speak to help keep people 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: safe in Israel. When things get bad, that is when 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: they step up and protect families and loved ones. And 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: if you want to get involved and stand with the 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: people in Israel right now, you can do it by 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: giving food and shelter to Jewish families that are under threat. 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: As I said, they're building bomb shelters for children, They're 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: helping survivors of the attacks that we're witnessing right now, 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: and they are doing it daily. Your gift of only 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: forty five dollars will help support life saving work by 39 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: providing food, shelter, and so much more. I was speaking 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: with the CEO of IFCJ and she was talking about 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: just how hard it is for so many families in 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: Israel right now and what they're doing on the ground 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: and the bomb shelters that are needed. And she said, 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: very simply, if you can help stand with the people 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: in Israel that are under attack, they are doing everything 46 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: they can to support them and to give the bomb 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: shelters that are needed. So step up and help right 48 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: now if you can at all eight eight eight four 49 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: eight eight IFCJ that's eight eight eight four eight eight 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: four three two five. You can also give online at 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org. Every dollar helps, don't wait be the 52 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: difference IFCJ dot org or eight eight eight four eight 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: eight IFCJ. So senat her, this started, as you mentioned, 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: five days ago, and let's go back to what caused 55 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: this to have happen and remind people how we got here. 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: Well, in many ways, I think this was inevitable. It 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: is inevitable because the Iyatola has set out a clear 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: objective of acquiring a nuclear weapon. President Trump had given 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: the Iyatola a sixty day deadline, a sixty day deadline 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: to cut a deal, and the deal that the President 61 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: was demanding was complete. Dismantlement I led a letter of 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: fifty two Republican senators saying, we agree with President Trump 63 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: that the only acceptable outcome is complete and total dismantlement, 64 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: every Iranian centrifuge being dismantled. Why because the Iranians have 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: proved they are liars, and if they keep enriching uraniums, 66 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: they will use that to try to develop a nuclear weapon. 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: And given that these are theocratic lunatics who chant death 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: to America and death to Israel, I believe they want 69 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon because they want the ability to use 70 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. And so on day sixty one, Iran 71 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: announced we will not dismt even a single centrifuge, and 72 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: we're going to build more. We're going to keep enriching, 73 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: which was essentially a gigantic middle finger to President Trump, 74 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: but it was also telling Israel, hey hit us now, 75 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: because we're going to keep going until we get a nuke. 76 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 4: And Israel did not need to be asked twice. 77 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: This attack was launched on the sixty first day, the 78 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: day after the expiration of President Trump's deadline. And listen, 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: what we've seen in the last five days has been 80 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: a massive attack from Israel that is highly targeted. As 81 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: of June fifteenth, Israel had struck more than seven hundred 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: and twenty military targets in Iran. These air strikes are 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: largely intelligence driven. Their precision strikes on infrastructure, on military leaders, 84 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: on mobile military targets. And part of the reason Israel's 85 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: able to do so is that Israel has almost complete 86 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: dominant of the airspace because they've degraded Iran's air defenses. 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: And so in the last five days, who have they 88 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: taken out? Well, Israel has taken out Major General Hossein Salami, 89 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 2: who was the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps 90 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: the IRGC. They've taken out Major General Mohammad Bagheri, who 91 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: was the chief of Staff of the Armed Forces. They've 92 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: taken out Major General Golam Ali Rashid, who was the 93 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: head of the katam al Anbia Central Headquarters. They've taken 94 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: out Brigadier General Amir Ali haja Zades, commander of the 95 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: IRGC Air Force. They've taken out Ali Shamkhani, who's a 96 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: close aid to the Supreme Leader and the former Iranian 97 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: Navy commander. They have taken out Amir Ali hajid Adeh, 98 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: commander of the IRGC Airspace Units oversaw ballistic missiles. They've 99 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: taken out Brigadier General Kosrav Hasani, the IRGC Intelligence Airspace 100 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: Force chief deputy. They've taken out Mohammed Mehdi Taranji, who's 101 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: a physicist and president of the Islamic Azad University in Tehran. 102 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: And they've taken out Fari dun Abbasi, former head of 103 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. This is massive. This 104 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: is decapitation of the senior military leaders in Iran. They've 105 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: also had targeted strikes on bases, and we're going to 106 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: go through that in a minute. But the effect of it, 107 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: the leaders that Iran would turn to to say wage 108 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: war against Israel, they're all taken out and it was 109 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: almost instantaneous. Now, the other thing that has the Iranians 110 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: completely freaked out is the intel Israel knew where each 111 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: of those leaders were. They took them all out within 112 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: hours of each other. I mean, it was almost instantaneous. Now, 113 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: you got to note the Iranian their leaders were all 114 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: set around in predictable places on the sixty first day. 115 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: They did not think Israel was going to act. That 116 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: that was a wrong prediction. And you combine that with 117 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: massive degradation of the air defenses and and multiple attacks 118 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: on basis nuclear facilities and also missile launch sites and 119 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: Israel's opening salvos of this attack have been incredibly effective. 120 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: You look at the effectiveness of this, and I do 121 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: have to just say, honestly, wow, the intelligence work that 122 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: they'd just been sitting on, as you mentioned, Israel is 123 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: truly mind blowing. 124 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: But there's also I think. 125 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: A debt of gratitude the world owes Israel for stepping 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: up and doing what needed to be done. 127 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: Would you agree, absolutely yes, and listen, Iran wants a 128 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. The Iyatola refers to Israel as the little Satan. 129 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: He refers to America as the great Satan. And I 130 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: got to say, as an American, I think Americans should 131 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: be grateful that Israel is taking out not just these leaders. 132 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 2: And mind you, the IRGC are the same people who've 133 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: taken out two different hits on President Trump. Have hired 134 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: assassins to try to murder President Trump. They've hired assassins 135 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: to try to murder Trump's former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. 136 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: They've hired assassins to try to murder Trump's former national 137 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: security advisor John Bolton. And these nuclear weapons, it is 138 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 2: a massive favor to the United States to take out 139 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: the facility, So, for example, the Natan's facility, which is 140 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: the main uranium enrichment facility. The United Nations Nuclear Chief 141 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: Raphael Grossi told the Security Council that the above ground 142 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: section of Theaton's facility was totally destroyed. He said all 143 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: the electrical infrastructured, emergency power generators were destroyed, and he 144 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: said the section of the facility where uranium was enriched 145 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: up to sixty percent, that was destroyed. Satellite imagery confirms 146 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: that the pilot fuel enrichment plant was destroyed and buildings 147 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: across the facility were damaged. There also reports that electricity 148 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: is down into Tons's lower levels, which is where centrifuged 149 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: centrifuge is used to enrich uranium are stored. That was 150 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: massively effective. And you know one thing I want to say, 151 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: so on Twitter, look, most people, certainly people who are 152 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: focused on protecting America's national security, are celebrating what's happening here. 153 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: But I will say there's some voices on Twitter who 154 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: have decided that what America First means is that we 155 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: retreat from the world and we don't actually stand up 156 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: to our enemies. And I'm here to tell you that 157 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: is not America first. Listen, I am someone who is 158 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: reluctant to put US servicemen and women in harm's way. 159 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, President Trump is also in his 160 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: first term, he did not invade foreign countries. Indeed, he 161 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: ended two wars. But at the same time, it is 162 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: worth remembering Donald Trump has never been an isolationist. In 163 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: his first term, Donald Trump inherited from Barack Obama. ISIS 164 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: had to caliphate the size of the state of Indiana, 165 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: and Trump utterly decimated that caliphate. He destroyed ISIS. Trump 166 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: took out General Solimani, the former head of the ira GC, 167 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: and he also took out al Baghdadi. Trump's actions were 168 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: never those of an isolation or said. I will say, 169 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: some of the folks who are throwing rocks attacking the president, 170 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: attacking the president saying President Trump is not America first, 171 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: because he's supporting Israel and standing up and stopping Iran 172 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: from getting nuclear weapons, I will say. The President had 173 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: an interview in The Atlantic where here's what he said. 174 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 4: Quote. 175 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: Well, considering that I'm the one that developed America first, 176 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: and considering that the term wasn't used until I came along, 177 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: I think I'm the one that decides that for those 178 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: people who say they want peace, you can't have peace 179 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: if Iran has a nuclear weapon. So for all those 180 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: wonderful people who don't want to do anything about Iran 181 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: having a nuclear weapon, that's not peace. I got to 182 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: say I agree with President Trump. He is exactly right, 183 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: and America first means peace through strength and stopping Iran 184 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: from getting a nuclear weapon keeps us out of war. 185 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: How close do you think we really were? And that's 186 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: one of the questions I've been asked. If I've been 187 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: asked at once, it's a hundred times to dealing with 188 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: the real possibility of a nuclear Iran or an Iran 189 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: that was willing to go after Israel the way that 190 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: Israel has described it, it was way closer than it 191 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: should have ever been. 192 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: Well, that's right, and I'll tell you what you should 193 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: listen to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Att and Yahoo when 194 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 4: he explains what their intelligence showed here, give a listen. 195 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 5: You know, I just want to press you on the 196 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 5: intel on the nuclear part. Less than two months ago, 197 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 5: the new Director of National Intelligence, Tulsa Gabbert, testified on 198 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 5: Capitol Hill, saying that everything had been suspended since two 199 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 5: thousand and three and had not restarted. That the nuclear 200 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 5: program had not been restarted by the Iranians. So did 201 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 5: something change from end of March until this week? Was 202 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: the US intel wrong? 203 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 6: The intel we got and we shared with the United 204 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 6: States was absolutely clear, was absolutely clear that they were 205 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 6: working in a secret plan to weaponize the uranium. They 206 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 6: were marching very quickly. They would achieve a test device 207 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 6: and possibly an initial device within months and certainly less 208 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 6: than a year. That was the intel we shared with 209 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 6: the United States. I think we have excellent intel in Iran. 210 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 6: I think we've proven that, and that is something that 211 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 6: we couldn't possibly accept, whether it would be six months 212 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 6: or twelve months or thirteen months as immateial. Once they'd 213 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 6: go that route, it's too late, and we will not 214 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 6: have a second holocaust, a nuclear holocaust. We already had 215 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 6: one in the previous century. The Jewish state is not 216 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 6: going to have the Locaust admitted on the Jewish people. 217 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 6: It's not going to happen. It's never again, is now, 218 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 6: and we have to act now. 219 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: Senator. 220 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: The idea of a nuclear holocaust the way that he 221 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: just described it is one that I think everyone should 222 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: just step back and really think about. And then there's 223 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: this second aspect of this, which is, if there's any 224 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: foreign policy doctrine that has been very clear in the world, 225 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: it is Iran saying that they want to destroy Israel 226 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: from the river the sea, death to Israel. It is 227 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: their foreign policy. It is clear. They're not lying about it. 228 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: Believe them when they say they want to annihilate Israel. 229 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 4: Well, and look the Ayatola. 230 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: The Islamic result revolution in Iran succeeded in nineteen seventy nine, 231 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: and the Iranian regime since that time has been the 232 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world. The 233 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: Ayatola has paid for Hamas provides. Iran provide over ninety 234 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: percent of the funding for AMAS, over ninety percent of 235 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: the funding for Hespola. They fund terrorists who murder Israelis. 236 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: They found terrorists who murder Americans. General Solimani, who Trump 237 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: took out in the first term, was directly responsible for 238 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: the murder of over six hundred American service men and women. 239 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: And to give you a sense of the level of 240 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: hatred from from the Iranian radicals, and I want to 241 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: draw a distinction between the theocratic zealots. That that is 242 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: is the Ayatola and the Malas versus the Iranian people. Look, 243 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: the people of Iran before the revolution, Iran was a 244 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: relatively secular country. They were an ally of America. That 245 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: they were in many senses pro America. And it was 246 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: the radical Jihadis that took it over, that that twisted it. 247 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: And they've been horrible to the people of Iran. And 248 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: so I think there are a great many people in 249 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: Iran who yearn to be free from from these theocratic 250 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: lunatics who've dominated the and who engage in torture and 251 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: murder and suppression of their own citizens. But the former 252 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: here's an amazing fact, the former head of the Iranian 253 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: nuclear program, who has some time ago gone to meet 254 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: his maker, and many say at the hands of the Massad, 255 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: the Israeli intelligence services. He had written in his last 256 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: will and testament that he wanted the following words written 257 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: on his tombstone. Here lies a man who sought to 258 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: annihilate Israel. Now, Ben, what kind of level of bilious 259 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: hate do you have when the only thing you want 260 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: to be remembered for is I am a bigot and 261 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: an anti Semite. And I want to murder as many 262 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Jews as possible. That's the sum total of my life. 263 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: And listen, this is where a lot of Democrats and 264 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: and and a lot of folks who are isolationists, they say, well, 265 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: what business is it of ours if Iran has a 266 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. I believe if the Ayatola had a nuclear weapon, 267 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: the odds are unacceptably high that he would use that 268 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. And I want to draw contrast to North Korea. Look, 269 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,359 Speaker 2: Kim Jong un, dictator of North Korea, has a significant 270 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: nuclear arsenal that was a result of catastrophic policy mistakes, 271 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: most notably by Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton went to Kim 272 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: Jong UN's father, Kim Jong Il, and said, hey, let's 273 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: cut a deal with you. We'll flow tens of billions 274 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: of dollars for you in exchange for you promising not 275 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: to make nuclear weapons. And Kim Jong il said, hey, 276 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: great idea. I'll take your deal. And he took the 277 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: tens of billions of dollars and he used them to 278 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: develop nuclear weapons. And so now we've got a crackpok 279 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: dictator on the Korean peninsula with nuclear weapons that periodically 280 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: goes off and threatens to fire the nuclear weapons at America. 281 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: You know, Trump famously calls calls Kim Jong un rocketman. 282 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: The one thing that that is a very dangerous part 283 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: of the world because Kim Jong un is megale maniacal, 284 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: He's unpredictable. But but there is one thing we know, 285 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: which is that he values staying in power, and he 286 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: knows if God forbid, he ever used a nuclear weapon 287 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: that day his regime would be over. So hopefully you 288 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: can have some modicum of rational deterrence. Uh with Kim 289 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: Jong un. The problem with the Ayatola is he is 290 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: a theocratic zealot. He glories in death and suicide, and 291 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: so the Iyatola knows if he detonated a nuclear weapon. 292 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: He knows that that that his regime would instantly fall, 293 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: that massive Iranian deaths would would result. The problem is 294 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: if if he was able to murder millions of Jews 295 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: or millions of Americans, he just might be willing to 296 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: take that trade with religious zelotry. The ordinary cost benefit 297 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: analysis does not work, and so I think if he 298 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: had a nuclear weapon, we could find out for sure 299 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: with a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv or New York 300 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: or Los Angeles. 301 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: There's Also another aspect of this, Iran is excellent at 302 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: using terrorist organizations. Yes, fund them, they give them, weaponry, 303 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: they train them. I mean, there are countless examples of 304 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: Iran using extremist groups. If they also got this technology, 305 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: there's what's the guarantee they wouldn't hand it over to 306 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: somebody like that. 307 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look that's the problem. Do they have a 308 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: reliable ICBM that could carry a nuclear weapon from Iran 309 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: to Manhattan? 310 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 4: Probably not, although they're trying to develop them. 311 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: They have an ICBM program, and it's worth noting you 312 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: do not need an ICBM to get to Israel from Iran. 313 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: A ballistic missile is sufficient. An intercontinental ballistic missile is 314 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: designed to travel much further. One hundred percent of the 315 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: reason Iran has an ICBM program is to carry a 316 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: nuclear warhead to America. Israel's not the target of their ICBMs. 317 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: America is But I would note also they would not 318 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: need an ICBM to do it if they could get 319 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: it on a ship or a container and detonate it 320 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: in a port anywhere in America, or I'll tell you 321 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: one enormous risk, they could put it in a satellite 322 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: that is orbiting over say, the Eastern Seaboard and detonate 323 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon, which would set off an EMP and 324 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: take down the electrical grid. I'll tell you, I've seen 325 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: the projections. An EMP that took down the electrical grid 326 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: could result in, over time, millions of deaths in America. 327 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: That's the kind of vulnerability we're facing. And so my view, 328 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: President Trump is exactly right when he he says that's 329 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: not peace. We're not going to find out what a 330 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: world with an Iranian nuke is like. And I'll tell 331 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: you I spoke with President Trump this weekend and I 332 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: told him I thought he was doing a fantastic job, 333 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: and he was agreeing. He said, look, he gave I 334 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: ran every option to avoid this, and they didn't want to. 335 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: They wouldn't take a deal, they wouldn't agree to give 336 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: up their centrifuges. And I'll tell you what I told 337 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: the President. 338 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you. 339 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: Said you talked to him this weekend, before this is 340 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: before and enduring, this is all this is happening. 341 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: Correct? 342 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, no, I talked to him. You and I are 343 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 2: talking right now. It is twelve twenty five am Sunday night, 344 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: Monday morning. I talked to him about two o'clock Sunday afternoon. 345 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: All right, so you said that he said that he 346 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: offered him a deal. That's being just either just completely 347 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: disregarded by the media. Are severely underreported that he was 348 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: trying to get a deal done and they refused to 349 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: do it. 350 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: That's what the sixty day deadline was. He gave him 351 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: sixty days to cut a deal, and the deal had 352 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: to be complete dismantlement. And they basically told him go 353 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: jump in a lake. We don't want a deal, we 354 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: want a nuclear weapon. And so you know, Trump said, 355 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: all right, And I will say there were some early 356 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: reports from the administration that the administration didn't know anything 357 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: about it, and Trump very quickly corrected that and stead, 358 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: of course we do about it, which is exactly right. 359 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: And listen asking where does this go from here. I 360 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: don't see any outcome that results in American boots on 361 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: the ground. I don't see any outcome that results in 362 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: American soldiers fighting in Iran. What we're doing right now, 363 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: we're assisting the Israelis. We're assisting the Israelis in intel, 364 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: We're assisting the Israelis in surveillance. Israel Is engaged in 365 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 2: targeted military strikes within Iran. Iran is responding by firing 366 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: a barrage of ballistic missiles at Israel aimed at civilian targets. 367 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: So they're landing missiles in Tel Aviv. And I will say, 368 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: in terms of escalation, I'm worried that we will see 369 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: very significant casualties in Israel. I was speaking with a 370 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: friend of mine this evening whose mom is in Jerusalem 371 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: right now, and he said his mom, in five days 372 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: has gotten very little sleep because every night at two 373 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: at three in the morning, the sirens go off and 374 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 2: they have to rush to a bomb shelter. So he said, 375 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: she has not slept, slept very much for five days. 376 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: Because that's constantly happening. There is a real risk of 377 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: there've already been significant casualties, but they could be much higher. 378 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: And listen, the government of Israel knows that. But the 379 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: casualties from these missile strikes are are are relatively small 380 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: compared to the millions of Israelis who could die with 381 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: an Iranian nuclear attack. And and and so that's why 382 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: the government is acting to stop that. But I'll tell 383 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: you what I also said to the president. I said, 384 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: thank you in particular for making absolutely clear to Iran 385 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: the overwhelming consequences if they attack American servicemen and women. 386 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, that note that he put out there was 387 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: very clear because he's saying, hey, hey, we weren't involved 388 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: in this, and we're going to. 389 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 3: State that clearly. This is Israel doing their thing. 390 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: But if you think for a moment that you can 391 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: use us to justify attacking Americans anywhere in the world, 392 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: there will be hell to pay if you do that. 393 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 394 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: Look, I think if Iran carries out a significant strike 395 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: on American servicemen and women, then I think America, if 396 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: they think the bombs coming from Israel are bad, I 397 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: think they will face massive retaliation. And then that's called deterrence. 398 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: We want them not to strike our servicemen and women. 399 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, that's the difference between Joe Biden, 400 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: who was so weak he couldn't deter anything. It helps 401 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: that our enemies are afraid of the commander in chief. 402 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: That's where actually in the debates about foreign policy, those 403 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: who argue for isolationism get it wrong, because if you're 404 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: so terrified to engage with your enemies that then you 405 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: end up causing more war. 406 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 4: I think Reagan was right. 407 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: I think Trump is right that when you're strong, when 408 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: you tell your enemies, if you attack and kill Americans, 409 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: your military leaders are going to die. What happens is 410 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: most of the time they say, you know what, We're 411 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: just not going to attack, and you end up avoiding 412 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: war because they're scared of the commander in chief. 413 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: So where does this go from here? 414 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: And this is where everybody's saying, Hey, look, we want 415 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: an off ramp, right, like, that's something we do want. 416 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: We want this, we want to protect lives. But at 417 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: the same time, Israel is I think making it very 418 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: clear we have no choice but to do this, and 419 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: we're doing the world a huge service by doing it. 420 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Israeli government is talking on a time 421 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: frame that this could last another week or two. They're 422 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: engaged in massive bombings and at some point, you know, 423 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: at some point the question is how much ordinance do 424 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: they have, how much capacity do they have to keep bombing, 425 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: and how many targets do they have. 426 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: I will say also. 427 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: One of the most significant sites is Fordau. Now Fordau 428 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: is a nuclear bunker that is built into the side 429 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: of a mountain and it's built deliberately to make it 430 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: very difficult to strike, to carry out an airstrike, and 431 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: it's where much of their nuclear research is being conducted. Now, 432 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: there were reports on Sunday that Israel carried out a 433 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: strike at FORDAU, but at least based on publicly reported material, 434 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: Israel does not have sufficiently effective bunker buster bombs to 435 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 2: be able to take out the deep underground laboratories at FORDAU. 436 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: And so one of the open questions is, to the 437 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: best of my knowledge, the only military that has those 438 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: bombs is the United States. We have really big bunker 439 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 2: busters that are made to take out deep, deep underground 440 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: facilities like the ford Ale nuclear facilities, and so one 441 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: open question I have for a long time called for 442 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: the United States to make those bunker busters available to Israel. 443 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: I think taking out ford Ale makes a lot of sense. 444 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: I think if Israel does it. And by the way, 445 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: I'll point out, look, Israel is a small country. Israel 446 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 2: is about the size of the state of New Jersey. 447 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: And they are fighting against our enemies, our enemies who 448 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: a pledge they want to murder us, and they're doing 449 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: so at great risk to themselves. But but and so 450 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: that is something to be grateful for but understand they're 451 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: taking out Around's nuclear capabilities is very very good for 452 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: America because it makes America safer. And I think if 453 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: Israel finishes the job of taking out their nuclear capability, 454 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: I think this these attacks likely end within the next 455 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: couple of weeks. 456 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: You look at Donald Trump saying we can probably get 457 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: a deal done. Is that after we accomplish the mission. 458 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: If you're reading between the lines here, I mean you've 459 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: spoken with them. Is this a that we got to 460 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: allow our ally Israel to do what they need to 461 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: do in that timeframe as well? 462 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: So listen, I'm skeptical that Iran will ever ever cut 463 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: a real deal. I don't think you can negotiate with 464 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: crazy and I think these people are crazy. 465 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 4: And and so. 466 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that would enhance American 467 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: security massively is to see the Iyatola fall and to 468 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 2: see the Mullas lose power, to see different leadership come 469 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: to come to Iran. I think that would make Israel 470 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 2: much much safer. I think that would make America much safer, 471 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 2: and I think that would make the Iranian people better off. Now, 472 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: let me be clear, I'm not advocating that we send 473 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: in a bunch of American soldiers to make that happen. 474 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 2: I am advocating that we use maximum pressure and economic 475 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: sanctions to pressure the regime in a way that might 476 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 2: encourage this regime to fall, because I think that they 477 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: have demonstrated that they are are homicidal and murderously directing 478 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 2: their urges towards killing Americans, and so removing people from 479 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: power who are trying to kill Americans makes America safer. 480 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: Well me also go back to something you mentioned earlier, 481 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: and this seems to clearly be part of Israel's strategy, 482 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: which is you go after and take out people that 483 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: are in essence holding down the people and silencing the 484 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: people in Iran in the leadership roles. That's part of 485 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: who they seem to be going after. That could be 486 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: huge for allowing what you just described actually happen a 487 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: revolution within Israel, or I should say within Iran. 488 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 4: Well and listen. 489 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: One of the conscious choices that it appears that Israel 490 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: made was not to target the Iatola himself. And I 491 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: don't have I have no classify information any way. Yeah, wow, 492 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: so I's that out of curacy, So I don't know 493 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: for sure. I have no classified information on this. But 494 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: I can give an educator guess, which is that taking 495 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: out the leader of a country through military force is 496 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: a significant step. Now, mind you, the Iyatola is perfectly 497 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: fine hiring Hittman to try to murder Donald Trump. So 498 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: the Iyatola has no problem doing it. And I have 499 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: no doubt that if the Iatola could could murder Prime 500 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: Minister net and Yahoo, he would do so in the 501 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: blink of an eye. 502 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 4: He has not been able to do so. 503 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: But I think the Israelis, given their success and taking 504 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 2: out everyone else, I think it's reasonable to assume that 505 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: they would have had a real prospect of taking the 506 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: Iatola out had they chosen to do so. My guess 507 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: is that they made a decision that taking out the 508 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: leader of the country could backfire, especially given that he 509 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 2: is also a religious leader, and you run into a 510 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: danger of potentially making him a martyr, and and and 511 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: it is not clear if you toppled him in those 512 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: circumstances you might get a younger, theocratic lunatic takeover instead. 513 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: Uh. 514 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: And so I think it is a reasonable decision for 515 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: Israel to say, rather than target the Ayatola directly, let's 516 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: take out every one of their top military officers that 517 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: they would use to prosecute a war. And by the way, 518 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: those are the same people they use to push down 519 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: and uprising to oppress their people and so degrading their capabilities. 520 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: It's what they've done with HESBLA, They've taken out their 521 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: top leadership. 522 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 4: It's what they've done. It's what they've done with Hamas. 523 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you. 524 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: On Saturday, Israel conducted a strike in Yemen, killing the 525 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: Huthi Chief of Staff Muhammad Abdul Karim al Gamari, who 526 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: was responsible for overseeing Huthi military operations and directing the 527 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: procurement and deployment of a number of weapons systems for them. 528 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: The Huthis are another arm of Iran, and so what 529 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: Israel has done is weakened Iran on every front, and 530 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: that oppressive infrastructure, their ability to wage war, their ability 531 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: to kill Israelis, their ability to kill Americans, their ability 532 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: to fund terrorism, and their ability to suppress their people, 533 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: all of those are substantially weakened. 534 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: That's a very good thing. 535 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: Final question for you on this as we move forward 536 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: through this week. I think it's pretty obvious the media's 537 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: obsessed with Donald Trump, somehow not standing with Israel or 538 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: trying to drive a wedge. Do you think there's any 539 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: chance at all that can happen, because in the early 540 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: questions it was almost like, you guys are idiots. 541 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 3: Come on. 542 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: I think President Trump has been the strongest pro Israel 543 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: president in the history of America. It's an exact contrast 544 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: with Joe Biden. Joe Biden was the most anti Israel 545 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: president in the history of America. The fact that they 546 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: occurred back and back, you want to talk about about whiplash. 547 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: You'll recall we did this podcast on when Bbe came 548 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: to Washington and I met with him for about two hours. 549 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 4: He is a good friend. 550 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: I have not spoken to bb since this war broke out, 551 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: although I did speak with the Israeli ambassador to the 552 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: United States on Thursday night, the night the war began. 553 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 4: Uh and and and listen. 554 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: Their successes are significant, but but they they have the 555 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: complete backing of of of the Trump administration, and that 556 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: is important. I do think that there are some voices 557 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: within the administration that are pressing back and and and 558 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: part of the reason I talked to to President Trump 559 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: today was to say, what you're doing is exactly right. 560 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: You're making America safer by allowing Israel to take out 561 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: Iran's nukes, and you're also protecting American servicemen and women. 562 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: Keep doing it, and and and he he agreed emphatically. 563 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: Don't forget. 564 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: We did a show Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. 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