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Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on

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Speaker 1: the Fish Strips podcast once again. I'm Eli Sussman partnered

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Speaker 1: up with Lewis Adiel Weiss to take you down Aisle

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Speaker 1: three of Marlin's off season shopping series here on the

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Speaker 1: pod that we still have a couple more weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: We have a couple of previous editions of the series

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Speaker 1: that you could check out on the same feed wherever

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Speaker 1: of the exercise. But for the second straight week, we

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Speaker 1: get ambushed by an update on Miguel Rojas. Last week

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Speaker 1: is when Miggy himself it explained that him and the

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Speaker 1: Marlins were close to finalizing a contract extension on top

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Speaker 1: of the one that he already had for the second time,

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Speaker 1: already under this new front office, getting an extension and

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Speaker 1: now here recording on Wednesday. By the time you guys

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Speaker 1: of this new extension that takes him all the way

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Speaker 1: through now twenty twenty three. He was ready under contract

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two at a five point five million

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Speaker 1: dollar salary. They're going to attack on an additional year. Overall,

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Speaker 1: it's two years and ten million, but it's really only

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Speaker 1: one new year of money. It's only four point five

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Speaker 1: million of new money going to Miguel Rojas. We talked

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Speaker 1: about him on top of the previous pod, and I

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Speaker 1: think he threw some numbers back out there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all things considered, Lewis, I'm surprised by how team friendly

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Speaker 1: these terms are. It seems like a bargain, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We were kind of just discussing that before we came on,

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Speaker 2: additional fifteen million. And not to say that Miguel Rojas

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Speaker 2: may have had an offer out there from the Marlins

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Speaker 2: that would have given him, say twenty to twenty five million,

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Speaker 2: but another sick to eight million dollars could be a

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Speaker 2: money's not necessarily a deal breaker here. I just kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it surprises me a little bit. I thought

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Speaker 1: in just the release point that I think you could

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Speaker 1: have both in valuable roles for this bullpenser really tiing

433
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Speaker 1: it up in middle relief. So not not the super

434
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Speaker 1: sexy name, but the way that he performed this past year,

435
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Speaker 1: and someone that I think, despite putting up that monster

436
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Speaker 1: war number that he did, he's more realistic probably than

437
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Speaker 1: someone like Eglesias.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah. He he is definitely a fun kind of pitcher

439
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Speaker 2: in the sport, especially you know, as I mentioned with

440
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Speaker 2: the failed starter T shirts. And you know, he reminds

441
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Speaker 2: me a little bit too as far as makeup goes

442
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Speaker 2: of like a Yllin Floro. You know, he's not really

443
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Speaker 2: throwing a change up the way that Flora is, but

444
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: he's like a two seam slider guy, I think primarily

445
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Speaker 2: and Floro for most of what he does. You know,

446
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: his success is predicated on the ability for him to

447
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Speaker 2: generate a lot of movement on his two seamer and

448
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: the cutter that he throws. And a guy like Chafin

449
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: is that way. You know, you miss a lot more

450
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Speaker 2: bats this year. And you have to give him credit

451
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Speaker 2: to for pitching a lot of high leverage situations this

452
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Speaker 2: year with the Cubs when they were competitive before they

453
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Speaker 2: all fell apart, and they were quietly over the last

454
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Speaker 2: couple of years, been among the better, if not more

455
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Speaker 2: under the radar believers in the sport. I'm definitely a

456
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Speaker 2: fan of his. I get what you're saying with Blier

457
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Speaker 2: with that similarity where maybe there is some trepidation about

458
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Speaker 2: bringing him in just because you know the growth lefties

459
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: who throw from funky arm angles. But Chafen does have

460
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Speaker 2: the ability to miss more bats, and I think depending

461
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Speaker 2: on how Donnie kind of does his matchups. And again,

462
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Speaker 2: don Manningley doesn't always have the best track record with

463
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Speaker 2: relief pitching. We saw it in LA and a little

464
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Speaker 2: bit this year, it could work. I mean, you know,

465
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Speaker 2: relievers are the most volatile position in a sport, so again,

466
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Speaker 2: you never know. But he would definitely be a lot

467
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Speaker 2: cheaper than Iglesias. I just think Iglesias is the more

468
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Speaker 2: sure thing. But if you're really looking to upgrade the

469
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Speaker 2: team and you don't want to and say we want

470
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Speaker 2: to invest in a position player like a shortstop, you know,

471
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Speaker 2: I know we just extended Rojas, or we just want

472
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Speaker 2: to get a guy like a Castianos eventually, then maybe

473
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Speaker 2: you kind of Chaffin is like a fallback option where

474
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Speaker 2: you know you can let a Glaciers get paid elsewhere,

475
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Speaker 2: and Chaffin kind of just further solidifies a bullpen that

476
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Speaker 2: you know needs some more support another name that I had,

477
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Speaker 2: and chances are I don't think he's going to go here,

478
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Speaker 2: just because he's so entrenched with the one organization that

479
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Speaker 2: he's been with since about two thousand and nine as

480
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Speaker 2: far as his major league career goes, and I like him.

481
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Speaker 2: I think this year he kind of had a research

482
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Speaker 2: Although part of me was saying as I was getting

483
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Speaker 2: ready for this episode tonight, like this may be the

484
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Speaker 2: last hurrah fer him as a great reliever, and it's

485
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Speaker 2: Kenley Jansen. I'm a big Kenley Jansen fan. I think

486
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Speaker 2: he's among the more under the radar relievers. I always

487
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Speaker 2: kind of think he's like Clayton Kershaw in the bullpen,

488
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Speaker 2: where the run prevention was elite, but the value that

489
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Speaker 2: both of them have amass relative to when they're pitching,

490
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Speaker 2: it's still among the upper echelon for their respective positions

491
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Speaker 2: in this era. Jansen is a sub twenty war reliever, which, again,

492
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Speaker 2: if you can be a great reliever for a prolonged

493
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Speaker 2: period of time that you know, you can kind of

494
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Speaker 2: throw that metric out. But he kind of got hurt

495
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Speaker 2: as far as value goes by just pitching a daughter

496
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Speaker 2: stadium a stadium that is historically pitcher friendly. But even

497
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Speaker 2: with that said, I mean, it's still major league kiders,

498
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Speaker 2: and you got to get major league kidders out regardless

499
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Speaker 2: of the fact that it's a sport predicated a failure.

500
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Speaker 2: Jansen quietly put together tow point three war this year.

501
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Speaker 2: He you know, the strikeouts came back up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He had eighty six k's and sixty nine innings. He

503
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Speaker 2: had a two to twenty two ERA, and even in

504
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Speaker 2: this like air quote decline that he had from twenty

505
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Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty, he still had a one twenty two

506
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Speaker 2: ERA plus he had a three sixty six fit, one

507
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Speaker 2: hundred ninety five strikeouts, and one hundred and fifty nine innings.

508
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Speaker 2: You know, if that's decline, then you know, most people

509
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Speaker 2: would take that for a bullpen guy, you know, ninety

510
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Speaker 2: eight percent At the time. Some of the rankings kind

511
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Speaker 2: of as far as statcats goes, speak to his resurgence.

512
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Speaker 2: The average exit velocity guys weren't swearing him up. He

513
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Speaker 2: was in the ninety ninth percentile on average exit velocity

514
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Speaker 2: and a hard hit rate ninety seventh percentile and fastball

515
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Speaker 2: spin and a lot of that too. As the cutter

516
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Speaker 2: expected slugging ninety seventh percentile, ninety second percentile, and weighed

517
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Speaker 2: on base expected the ra barrel percentage. Fastball City kind

518
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Speaker 2: of rebounded a little bit, to be fair, though it

519
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: was still in the forty three percentile after being in

520
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: the twenty six percentile last, but we even saw it

521
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Speaker 2: points in the early going of the season. He started

522
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Speaker 2: to incorporate a sinker more because he's kind of been

523
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Speaker 2: like the National League's Mariner Rivera in the Sun said,

524
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Speaker 2: he's been a cutter specialist for the majority of his career,

525
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Speaker 2: but the sinker was playing a lot more. He was

526
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Speaker 2: up to ninety eight at points this year at the sinker.

527
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Speaker 2: The slider he'd been using a lot more often so,

528
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Speaker 2: and the cutter kind of regains some velosity. He was

529
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Speaker 2: more consistently ninety three to ninety five than he was

530
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Speaker 2: ninety to ninety two in the previous years. You know,

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Speaker 2: ninety five became more commonplace than the ninety twos that

532
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Speaker 2: we were seeing the last couple of years with Jansen.

533
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Speaker 2: But he's the one concern I may have with him

534
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Speaker 2: other than the age, is the walks. He averaged nearly

535
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Speaker 2: five walks for nine innings, which again is the highest

536
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Speaker 2: such mark he's had since his rookie year. But even

537
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Speaker 2: in that rookie year, he had a sub one ERA

538
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Speaker 2: in like twenty innx pitch and he was striking out everybody. So,

539
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's among the better relievers that I've seen

540
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Speaker 2: in my lifetime watching baseball. But I mean, I still

541
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Speaker 2: think that he's still just a presence, even if you

542
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: know he's not the same victory he once was. I mean,

543
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Speaker 2: a two twenty two URA in your thirties, let alone

544
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Speaker 2: your mid thirties. You know, that speaks to just how

545
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: good that he's been, and there's still questions surrounding him.

546
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he would get deal wise, if

547
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: you were to leave the Daughters, I think it would

548
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: have to take a multi year deal. I think if

549
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: he goes back to LA it's a one year incentive

550
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: lated deal. But you know, what's your take on a

551
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: guy like you know, ken Ley? Do you think he

552
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: would make a lot of sense in Miami or do

553
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: you think that, you know, he's so entrenched with that

554
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: franchise in LA that they'll find a way to bring

555
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: him back somehow.

556
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Speaker 1: He's been such a victim of the Dodgers, like constant

557
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: success where he's always in the postseason, he's always pitching

558
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Speaker 1: important moments. And there's been at least one of those

559
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Speaker 1: playoff runs where I think when they made it to

560
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: October that Dave Roberts didn't have a whole lot of

561
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Speaker 1: faith in him, Like he wasn't closing games in one

562
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: or two particular playoff runs, and that sticks with people.

563
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: You kind of undersold it. The career that he's having

564
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: is incredible. It is like it's not that far away

565
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: from being in Hall of Fame consideration for how good

566
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: he is and how important situations that that he's pitching in.

567
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Speaker 1: It really has been an awesome career and everybody has

568
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: to make this sort of transition when the pure v

569
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: low starts to slip, how exactly you're going to counteract that,

570
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Speaker 1: And I mean, he did a pretty interesting job of it.

571
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Speaker 1: You point out the walks, I mean, that's that's one

572
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: thing that ultimately there's there's a certain threshold where that

573
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: just becomes a big hindrance. Like if he walks as

574
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Speaker 1: many as he did this past season, you play out

575
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: that that same scenario again and he probably allows more

576
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: runs and he's not quite as as as trustworthy as

577
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Speaker 1: it was this year. But it is hard to see

578
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Speaker 1: him like going to another uniform after being with the

579
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Speaker 1: Dodgers all this way and being so good with them

580
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: all this way. But it's I mean, it's fair to

581
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: bring him up just because the Dodgers have We're gonna

582
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Speaker 1: mention it at least one of them. I think later

583
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Speaker 1: in this episode, they have a gajillion free agents. They

584
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: have so many like players that I've been making a

585
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: lot of money that are still good enough to continue

586
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: making a lot of money on their next deals. They're

587
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Speaker 1: not going to be able to keep all of them.

588
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to make some choices. They are going

589
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: to be some of these players that are on the

590
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Speaker 1: market and that the Marlins could realistically pry away by

591
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Speaker 1: making a fair offer. And he might be one of them.

592
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fair one to bring up. I

593
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Speaker 1: would not be I'd be surprised though, if he ends

594
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Speaker 1: up with a different team.

595
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Speaker 2: But it's it's.

596
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Speaker 1: Important to bring him up, and I guess that that

597
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: does it for the relievers. We can transition to the Bats.

598
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Speaker 1: I think that's what a lot of people are eager

599
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: to talk about anyway.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, if you want to go first, go ahead.

601
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Speaker 2: I had a few names, but I want to hear

602
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: what some guys that you may have. I'm sure there

603
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: will be some more crossover as well.

604
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Speaker 1: I'll start with someone that I've brought up. I've been

605
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: bringing this guy up since like May before. He's finally

606
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: a free agent. Eduardo Escobar, who started this year with

607
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, got traded into the Brewers midway through the year.

608
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: As he's one of these guys. It continues a theme

609
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Speaker 1: that I've mentioned on the previous episodes that I really

610
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: think it's important for the Marlins who get a bat first.

611
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Veteran infielder that can play at least third base and

612
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: second base or even shortsop would be a plus. And

613
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: that's probably not Escobar, but he plays those other two

614
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: spots where he's versatile and he just rakes, and he

615
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: rakes in important situations. He is I pulled it up,

616
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: runs batted in. It's we know how many how much

617
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: noise there is in this stat but if you go

618
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Speaker 1: back to twenty nineteen top third basement by RBI totals,

619
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Speaker 1: it's Rafael Devers, Nolan Aronado, Manny Machado, Jose Ramirez super

620
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Speaker 1: duper stars all of them, and then number five is

621
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Speaker 1: Escobar in RBIs ya a third baseman. He's been pretty

622
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Speaker 1: durable with a small exception during that time, and he

623
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Speaker 1: just piles up extra bass HiT's. He really a surprising

624
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Speaker 1: number of triples. That's what sticks out for me when

625
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I looked at his stats, too, is how many triples

626
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: he has for a guy that's not especially fast and

627
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: who's not really that young anymore. He's going to his

628
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: age thirty three season. He's he's surprisingly he's better than

629
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Speaker 1: you think. He's been under the radar because of just

630
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: some of the teams that he's been on in his

631
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: career with the Twins and then with the Diamondbacks, but

632
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: he was pretty important to the Brewers down the stretch,

633
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Speaker 1: like he was one of the most impactful bats when

634
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: the rest of their offense was drying up. For a

635
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: lot of his career, he's just been pretty considerably above

636
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: league average in terms of WRC plus, and he also

637
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: has like a pretty it kind of comes and goes

638
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: his contact skills where he's had a couple of years

639
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: where he's throughout his career he's been above league average

640
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: in avoiding strikeouts, but this past year it's spiked up

641
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I'll be curious to see what

642
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of deal he gets. I remember three years ago

643
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: when he was going to be a free agent, at

644
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the last minute, he took like a three year, twenty

645
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: one million dollar extension from the DBAX. I have to

646
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: imagine that the length of the deal is down this time.

647
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: I would think he's attainable for a two year deal.

648
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: And this just goes back to the fact that I

649
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: have my questions about Brian Anderson's writing this coming off

650
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery I got. I don't want to just hand

651
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: an everyday job to Jazz Chisholm. If this team has

652
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: those super high expectations, they got to make sure that

653
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: he's cleaned up his defense and that he's healthy for

654
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: the start of the year. I love him as someone

655
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: who is versatile and who has now had an opportunity

656
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: to be on a couple of contending teams, who just

657
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: hits as simple as that, and he's someone that this

658
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: is not an anomaly. You know, He's had several of

659
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: the seasons of his career two point six War, three

660
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: point three War in the past that I like him.

661
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: I just I wanted them to trade for Escart during

662
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: the season when everybody was going down with injuries for

663
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: the Marlins early in the year. They didn't do that.

664
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: But he's going to be on the open market now,

665
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: and I just think he's He's a high floor player.

666
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: He definitely makes them better. I'd much rather see him

667
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: than Joe Panic. I'd much rather see him than is

668
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: san Diez. It's that type of role, but somebody that

669
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: can really make an impact in that role.

670
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Eli. I don't own it or have any

671
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: markings on my body as far as piersings or tattoos go.

672
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: But if there's a baseball stat that I would get

673
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: tattooed on me, it is on base percentage. And I'll

674
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: preface it by saying this, I'm a big at war

675
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: O Escobar fan. The one concern I have with him is,

676
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I like the contact skills. I believe he's

677
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: only had one season in his entire career where he

678
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: struck out more than a hundred times. He is a

679
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: career three or nine OBP guy. And again, I don't

680
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: expect everyone to have a four hundred on base but.

681
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: It's he's a Battle League averagetrator for the majority of

682
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: his career, although last year he was slightly above league average,

683
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: and he did host a three forty two in his

684
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: short stint with the Brewers, which is encouraging.

685
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: The one thing is that scares me about having a

686
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: guy like that, and I don't think he would play.

687
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd play one hundred and twenty hundred and

688
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: thirty games, but I wouldn't, you know, lock him into

689
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: one position every day just because I think that the

690
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: good you know, he would appreciate a little bit in value,

691
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: just because he doesn't get on base the way that

692
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of want guys in the Marlins too.

693
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: And the one issue I think that really plagued us,

694
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 2: other than you know, not being able to really hit

695
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: incredibly with men on the fact that we shoran so

696
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: many runners, is the fact that EDWARDO. Escobar is a

697
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: kind of low opp guy. But like you said, his

698
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: ceiling is relatively high, not like MVP level high. But

699
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: when he's good, he's an excellent complementary piece on a team.

700
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if the Marlins gave him, say

701
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: a two year deal, and he puts a twenty eighteen

702
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: esque season together where he's got a eight twenty four ops.

703
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: We'll take that every day for seven to twelve ten

704
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. You know. I think a contract

705
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: on the upper end that he'd get is maybe what

706
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: a guy like Avias sale Garcia got from Milwaukee. His

707
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: former teammate was about two for twenty I believe. And AVIASL. Garcia,

708
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: while he struggled a little bit last year, and he's

709
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: actually a guy I have on my list, we don't

710
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: really have to spend too much time on him, Minie

711
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: Miggi as he is. He put up a pretty good

712
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: year last year where he played good defense in right field.

713
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: He hit for power, you know, nearly a five hundred slug.

714
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: Escobar improved as far as his play doesn't been goes

715
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: a little bit with Milwaukee, but I see him kind

716
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: of Escobar kind of getting a deal in the market

717
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: of what a guy like Garcia got. And one of

718
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: the the pluses too, is the fact that Escobar did

719
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: at points I believe they started games for them at

720
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: first base in the postseason, So he added another position

721
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: to his tool kit as far as where he can

722
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: play and move around. He's a player. I mean, if

723
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: you're in a league average dephensive player with the ability

724
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: to play every position in the infield, you're gonna have

725
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: some form of value to another team. I think on

726
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: a good team, he's a complimentary piece for a team

727
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: with the Marlins, he'll probably get a lot more playing

728
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: time than you'd ideally want for him, but it you know,

729
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: I think you lose some of what makes him so

730
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: great if he plays a little bit too much. But

731
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, if the

732
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: Marlins bring him on, I would kind of hope it's

733
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: after they maybe bring on some bigger names of the

734
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: position player front, because I think in that context he's

735
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: a great compliment to like what could be an improved

736
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: lineup should we sign on Nick Castianos or some of

737
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: these other guys that will touch on and you know

738
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: now in future episodes that just you know, he definitely helps.

739
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: He gives me some Adam duval vibes. Where I know

740
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: the overall stats, uh, you focus on the OVP, I

741
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: know you and I get that too, But with Duvao,

742
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the Marlins were they really did benefit from him.

743
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: He was in a similar sense, he was really overstretched

744
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: in his role, Like they were really relying on him

745
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: every day, especially when a couple of the outfield injuries

746
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: piled up, and that's not what you want. But I

747
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: think just there are some a lot of intangibles that

748
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I like about him, a lot of situational stuff that

749
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: you're yeah, you're right. I mean, we're gonna touch on

750
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: some more exciting names that are gonna be a little

751
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: price here. And if he's the big prize of the offseasoneach,

752
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: people will naturally be disappointed. Yeah, yeah, I just I

753
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: see a potential fit.

754
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: No, I would again, and like I said, I think

755
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: when I when you mentioned him, I thought of the

756
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen Nationals, who kind of I mean, they had

757
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: won Soto, and they had starting pitching Canama, Strasburg and

758
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: Corbin and Scherzer, but they also won with complimentary guys

759
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: Charley Castro, Yan Gomes, Ryan Zimmerman at that point wasn't

760
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: an everyday player, you know, or he was, but he

761
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: kind of just his role further diminished as you know

762
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: the season the following seasons ensued, but they won with

763
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: complimentary pieces, and I think that would be what again,

764
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: like I said, is what would make Escobar even more

765
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: attractive is if he's a nice compliment to an improved lineup,

766
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: should we make the moves and should you know, some

767
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: guys in our firm system continue to improve and you know,

768
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: eventually see success at the big league level. I touched

769
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: freequently on Avid Garcia. You know, I thought, you know

770
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: that first year Milwaukee wasn't great. But this year, you know,

771
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: in a twenty ops one twenty ops plus the defense

772
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: they kind of fixed if we If you look at

773
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: him earlier, this year, he was a lot bigger, especially

774
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: like in Detroit and Chicago, they kind of people kind

775
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: of compared him to like Michuel Cabrera as far as

776
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: the face and the swing. But you know, in Tampa

777
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: he was he was a great everyday player. And this

778
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: year in Milwaukee he played great defensive the corner outfield spots.

779
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: He sluck four ninety, he hit twenty nine home runs.

780
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: A guy who you know, if you need some security

781
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: in the outfield, especially in like right field, because you

782
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: don't know where Gary Cooper's gonna play if there's no

783
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: university DH not a bad option to have. I'm kind

784
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: of so anxious to just mention this guy because again

785
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: I've you know. Obviously I follow you on Twitter, and

786
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: most people on Twitter who follow Fish Drives see that

787
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: the trade for Jose Ramirez trade is train is in

788
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: full swing. Everybody wants him to go. Obviously, you're not

789
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: gonna be in this episode because he was a seven

790
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: War player essentially in twenty twenty one, and he's been

791
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: up close to that for the last couple of years.

792
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: The security blanket if we don't acquire him, And again,

793
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: the chances of this happening are probably sub five percent,

794
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: and he is a little bit more expensive, but he's

795
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: another third baseman. The Marlins don't know what they're gonna

796
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: get moving forward out of Brian Anderson because in I

797
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: just kind of become he's almost like our Grady. Sorry's

798
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: more light where he has tools, but he's just never

799
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: on the field enough to fully display them. And again,

800
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: I'll probably be called crazy for this by everybody who listens,

801
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: and maybe by you, but listen, I don't care about

802
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: the science stealing scandal anymore. I would not be opposed

803
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: should the team call the Astros after the World Series

804
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: they are missing, They're gonna be losing Korea. There's just

805
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: no chance that he resigns Alex Bregman playing third base

806
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: for the Marlins every day is not something I'd be

807
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: opposed to. I think you have three years left before

808
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: he said the hit free agency, so should we pick

809
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: up a book with the contract? I don't think he'll

810
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: be as expensive. He's set to make thirteen million next year,

811
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: and then it jumps up in twenty three and twenty

812
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: four to thirty and a half million per season. Compare

813
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: the last two years after twenty nineteen, where I believe

814
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: he finished second in the MVP voting to Mike Trout.

815
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: He's been an above add player and I actually it's funny.

816
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: The best comp that I could find for him twenty

817
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 2: twenty to twenty twenty one, and for those who aren't aware,

818
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: he slash two sixty one three fifty three four point

819
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 2: thirty one in that time seven eighty five seven eighty

820
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: four ohps. Bryan Anderson twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two

821
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: sixty three forty three four to sixty seven one fourteen

822
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: ops plus for both in that time. I think Bregman's

823
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: upside is obviously a lot higher. Anderson may have a

824
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: slight edge on defense and in those in their respective

825
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: to year spans Anderson was the better player by value creup.

826
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: But we also have to remember that Bregman had a

827
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: quad injury this year. He only played in ninety one games.

828
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: He put up two point one Baseball Reference war this year.

829
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: But he's you know, he's consistently a guy who put

830
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: the ball in play. He doesn't swing in miss He's

831
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: in the ninety seven percent with rate. He even in

832
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: an off year, which would be a pretty good year

833
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: for most of their basement around the sport, seventy seven

834
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: percent on the walk rate, ninety fifth percentile and k rate.

835
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't hit the ball as hard as most guys.

836
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: But and maybe you could say he's getting lucky. I

837
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: believe he's below league average and averagising velocity, but the

838
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: results have kind of shown themselves for a while. I

839
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: think he's an excellent player. Maybe for thirty million, you

840
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: don't love him so much because you're expecting four to

841
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: five wins, you know, bare minimum for a guy like

842
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: that if you're paying him that kind of money. But

843
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: I still think, like Miami Need is a true blue

844
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: star in the lineup every day, and I think Alex

845
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: Bregman is that. I also like the fact that like

846
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: he While he may not be the defensive stal Wars

847
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: that Anderson is, a third has the ability to play shortstop.

848
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: He's played some second base, and the metrics have kind

849
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: of become a little bit kinder to him. He's the

850
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: last couple of years he's greated slightly above average at

851
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: third base, and I think he's a lot ranger than

852
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: people give him credit for. Again, I'll just end it

853
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: by saying, I'm a big fan of Bregman, regardless of

854
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: what kind of went down in twenty seventeen and maybe

855
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: in the years that followed. I don't know. I mean

856
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: the Marlin Steine stall and if they're not going to

857
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: sign somebody and we don't, you know, shell out the

858
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: necessary prospects to acquire a Jose Ramirez, Alex Bregman has

859
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: to be somebody circle on that board in the off season.

860
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: You don't need to sell me on Bragman as a

861
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: player of I just on his availability. I don't see

862
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: any scenario where they end up trading him right now.

863
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: And as you said, with the contract, that was my

864
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: first time actually looking at that huge jump in his contract.

865
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: As you said, thirteen thirteen thirteen annual salaries these three

866
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: year times, it jumps to thirty from thirteen to thirty

867
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: and a half. I don't know if there are very

868
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: many deals in Major League history that do that, So

869
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I can't. I don't think the Marlin's under

870
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: any circumstances, are going to be able to accommodate a

871
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a year guy, especially as as you said,

872
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: that is now a couple of years removed from being

873
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: capital a Alex Bregman being the guy that was seemed

874
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: to be are e merging as their very best player,

875
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: and now and now somebody that's in a weird spot.

876
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: I like the thinking outside the box. I would just

877
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: wonder exactly what it would take for the Astros to

878
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: shop him, and it would make me a very unique

879
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: deal to bring him over, especially given that money complication

880
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: that's going on there. Maybe I'll stick with another trade candidate.

881
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: Which one should I go to? I have a couple here.

882
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: I'll touch on Steven Duggar, who with the Giants posted

883
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: a two point one war this year, who did not

884
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: have much of a major League track record at all

885
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: prior to this year, but like so many guys on

886
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: the Giants, he reached a new level. Whatever magic that

887
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: they're doing with their training and their hitting instruction, it

888
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: kind of graced everybody, including him, And he had this

889
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: streak that I guess you would compare to like the

890
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Brins sanity stretch, because as someone that just have much

891
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: of a major league track record, all of a sudden,

892
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: through a lot of in early June, he had this

893
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: stretch where he was opsing like eleven hundred for three

894
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: to four week stretch and he ended up spending a

895
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: lot of time this past year in the minors. And

896
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: that's the reason why it stuck out to me that

897
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: he didn't get a whole lot of just a half

898
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: season's worth of major league playing time, mean he had

899
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: to put up to war he is. For people that

900
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: don't know he is a center fielder, He's a pretty

901
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: genuine center fielder and at least this year grated out

902
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: fairly well defensively in that regard.

903
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: Who is He's.

904
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: About to turn twenty eight years old, he still has

905
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: four years of club control beyond this year, and with

906
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: the Giants, they have a couple of their key position

907
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: players coming up for free agency that we expect to

908
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: come back. And I don't think they're gonna be able

909
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to hold onto all these guys heading into next year,

910
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: there's gonna inevitably be some sort of trades to clear

911
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: space on their roster. He's a guy who I believe

912
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: is gonna be out in minor league options next year,

913
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: despite spending most of this year in the minors, So

914
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: they either have to believe in him wholeheartedly, or he's

915
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: the guy that I would expect to be on the

916
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: trade market with all those years of control, earning that

917
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: league minimum next year before he's finally arbitration eligible. And

918
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: he just has a little bit more of a track

919
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: record than some of the other young, controllable center fielders

920
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: that people have brought up as like potential Marlins targets,

921
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: like the fact that he least has close to one

922
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: hundred games this year where he's done a good job.

923
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: And the particular split that I dug up on him

924
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: that I liked was that the way that the Giants

925
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: used their hitters this year and platooned everybody, they had

926
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: everybody h with a few exceptions like on days they

927
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: weren't starting a whole lot of pinch hitting appearances, And

928
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: you look at dugger splits and so overall he put

929
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: up a pretty pedestrian line, slashing two fifty seven, three

930
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: thirty four thirty seven, only a few percentage points above

931
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: the league average in terms of WRC plus. But you

932
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: split it between games when he was starting and coming

933
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: off the bench. When he was coming off the bench,

934
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: he was like an automatic out when he was in

935
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: their starting lineup. Let me see if I have that here,

936
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: he was opsing eight nineteen, So you get a number

937
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: that is goes from a solid to great for an

938
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: up the middle player. For again, that's a genuine center fielder.

939
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: He for all his power when he was starting, but

940
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: they really miscast him in this kind of like hybrid role.

941
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: Just to that's kind of how the Giants have it

942
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: set up with the Marlins. You know, they're more traditional

943
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: with the kind of roles that they have. If all

944
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: else falls through, like in their search for a center fielder,

945
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe they end up spending a lot of their money

946
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: on a corner guy. I think this is someone that

947
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: I certainly like more up the middle than some of

948
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: their other internal options, and just given like all the

949
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: bodies that they have on the roster, given that he's

950
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: out of options and some of the real questions about him.

951
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: I don't think they'd have to give up much to

952
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: acquire him. It'd be a pretty small trade. It'd be

953
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: pretty low risk for someone that I think could has

954
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: another gear that he could find as an actual everyday player.

955
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like a fringe big league reliever that maybe

956
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: saw some time on a roster and another low level

957
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: prospect just because of the amount of control. I mean,

958
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one was the first year where he wasn't

959
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: above average offensive player. You know, the opiate be on

960
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: base was solid for a guy who played didn't play

961
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: every day. But the defense is probably the one thing

962
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: that sticks up to me the most. Obviously Marlin Spark

963
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: will it won't suppress offense the way that San Francisco does,

964
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: But you know, to be a plus defender in the

965
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: center field and a ballpark like that where you could

966
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: kind of just leave Hayesus Sanchez and Brian de la

967
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: Cruz in the corners, should you not sign a big

968
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: name corner outfielder in free agency? I think you know

969
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: makes sense. The question is are there sophomore slumps for

970
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: a guy like De la Cruz in the waiting? Is

971
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: a guy like Sanchez set to regrets despite an encourage

972
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: showing in twenty twenty one after a twenty twenty where

973
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: he really didn't impress that much. And then if the

974
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: worst case scenario is that and then Duggar coincidentally doesn't

975
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: hit along with them, then you're looking at another outfield

976
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: where you're kind of scratching her head, wondering, where is

977
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: my offense on a consistent basis. I, you know, I

978
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: get definitely a nice option where you don't want to

979
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: spend a lot of money, but if you want to

980
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: spend a little bit of money on an outfielder who

981
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: I think better profiles as a corner guy because the

982
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: defender metrics don't love him, although I do have my

983
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: concerns about him, I think, you know, we're getting in

984
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: the We're getting to the point as far as value

985
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: goes in this series where you're getting quality big leaguers,

986
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: but you're not getting the guys at their respective positions

987
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: wherever they may play. Mark Canna is a guy that

988
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: I've always liked, a Rule five guy. With Oakland, he's

989
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: played now seven or eight seasons in the big leagues,

990
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: and he's played everywhere, first base, third base, at times,

991
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: every outfield position. He's been a pinch hitter for them

992
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. It shouldn't be slept on.

993
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: You had three ninety three on base percentage. Mark Canada

994
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: is kind of become a very good everyday player. And

995
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: Oakland's not the easiest place to hit. It's a dilapidated

996
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: stadium that's had plenty of problems. The only concern I

997
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: may have for Canna over the last couple of years

998
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: is slug is below four hundred. I believe he's slugging

999
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: like three ninety three if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, three

1000
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: ninety three slug in two hundred games since twenty twenty.

1001
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: That being said, he has a three sixty six on

1002
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: base percentage in that spin. That works when even if

1003
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: you're not slugging, you know, five hundred, it's a one

1004
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: fifteen oh ps plus. You'll take that from a guy

1005
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: who you don't even need to pay to play every day.

1006
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 2: I don't know who'll give him two three years. I mean,

1007
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: he's still put up two and a half war even

1008
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: despite a so you know, he had minus eleven defense

1009
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: to unsaved, so he wasn't the best defender in the outfield.

1010
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: Seventy seven walks this year, though, he put up a

1011
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: three D fifty eight OBP. Like, the guy is getting

1012
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: on base, and you know, not to quote moneyball too much,

1013
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: but that is something that's important. The totality of his

1014
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one, though, and twenty nineteen

1015
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: is definitely an outlier in comparison to these last two years.

1016
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: He's twenty seven percent above league average. Since the start

1017
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen, he's got a three seventy seven on

1018
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: base percentage. He's walked in thirteen percent of his plate

1019
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: appearances since then. Uh yeah, I mean, I don't think

1020
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: it'll take a lot to get him. But the one

1021
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: thing I think that's played is Marlins lineup, And I

1022
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: think guys can learn from watching a hitter who is

1023
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: a lot more selective. You know, guys like a Jazz

1024
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Chisholm and such can learn to that. Hey, Like, we

1025
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: can get the starters more if we kind of work

1026
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: them a little bit and force them to throw a

1027
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: lot of pitches. And Canada takes his fair share of walks,

1028
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: So you know, a guy like Jazz Chizzen, like I said,

1029
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: could learn from him. Even a guy like de la Cruz,

1030
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: who he hit, but he wasn't walking a lot at

1031
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: the outset of his career. Is definitely a lot more

1032
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: of a free swinger. But Kana exudes a degree of

1033
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: patients that I think has been largely absent in the

1034
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: Marlins lineup for a while.

1035
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just about the walks, it's also the

1036
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: hit by pitches. He had twenty seven hit by pitches

1037
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: last year. He had ten in the shortened season the

1038
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: year before. He had eighteen the year before that, even

1039
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: though he didn't play every single day the entire year.

1040
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: So without even looking up he is, he's right up

1041
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: there with like the hit by pitch leaders over the

1042
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: past few years combines and when you do it year

1043
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: after year. We saw with Derek Dietrich like it's it's

1044
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: a skill. It is something that is kind of repeatable

1045
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: and that seems to be part of his approach at

1046
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: the plate at least. That's something that that ages well,

1047
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. That's probably age is better

1048
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: than any other skill. If that if you cried the

1049
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: plate and you get hit by left pitches, Anthony, that's

1050
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: going to continue. Anthony Rizzo is the guy that we

1051
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: brought him up on the last episode. They are neck

1052
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: and neck between those guys, and I like the versatility

1053
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: that he does have with he's played a bunch at

1054
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: all those outfield spots. He's played first base. Yeah, the

1055
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: defense is a pretty big question. That's something I'll have

1056
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: to dive into because by DRS, you know, he's been

1057
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: in the negative almost every year of his career. But

1058
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: that's not I'd have to dive closer to look as

1059
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: so whether we think he can actually hold up defensively

1060
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: in the outfields now going to what will be his

1061
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: age thirty three season. He's been a popular name that's

1062
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: been brought up around the Marlins by other readers of

1063
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: ours and listeners, and I understand why because he kind

1064
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: of fits that nice spot where he addresses a clear

1065
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: area of need that they have in patience, not just

1066
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: like getting on base, but also working really deep counts

1067
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: time after time. And the fact that we just think

1068
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: he'll be affordable.

1069
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1070
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: A fun fact is that he's represented by CAA, which

1071
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: is the same agency that basically had after Marlin's roster

1072
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: uses Brian Anderson Sandy al Contra, a lot of their

1073
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: young prospects coming up as well. Adam Duval used CAAA

1074
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: as well, So there's a lot of familiarity there that

1075
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: I think would be able to get him. I imagine

1076
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: a certain one year deal or one year with a

1077
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: big enough club option stuff to the end of it

1078
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: that it seems super realistic. So that's another one where

1079
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: we had an overlap. For sure, I did pick him out,

1080
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I thought that would make a lot of sense.

1081
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: Also on the free agent front, really there's not a

1082
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: whole lot that the free agent market has to offer

1083
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: at catcher, but we do have that one guy, Jan Gomes,

1084
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: who has been around a long time, what was most

1085
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: recently with Oakland, So I guess there were teammates pretty

1086
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: briefly Cana and Gomes in Oakland. But I mean people

1087
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Marlin fans will remember him more with the Nationals for

1088
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: a few years, including their World Series title with Cleveland

1089
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: before that. So he is head into his age thirty

1090
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: four season and he has just pretty consistently relative to

1091
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: other catchers, like you had to really change the whole

1092
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: calculation when you talk about catchers that offensively for a

1093
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: catcher through most of his career, he's been solid. He's

1094
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: been somewhere close to le gaverage this past year, almost

1095
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: exactly at league gaverage offensively, And it's a combination. It's

1096
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: more to do with power than it is to do

1097
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: with on base skills. He's not a super sexy option.

1098
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: He's never caught more, he's never played more. Oh, I

1099
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: should take that back kid one year early in his

1100
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: career where he was that true primary catcher in Cleveland,

1101
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: but that's way back in twenty fourteen. Like at this

1102
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: stage of his career, he is essentially someone that you mentioned,

1103
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of splitting catching duties down the middle. He's not

1104
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: even like a full fledged everyday type of guy. There's

1105
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: just not that many of them in baseball right now,

1106
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: and he is kind of the closest thing to that

1107
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: that will be for sure available in free agency. And

1108
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you always get scared about catchers in this

1109
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: age range because it could fall off really suddenly. But

1110
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he just gives you a pretty high

1111
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: floor offensively, just relative to other Marlins catchers. Marlins catchers,

1112
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: they were bad at everything this past year, absolutely everything,

1113
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: but especially with offense. That's the one pretty clear thing

1114
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: that there's room for improvement. And as someone that's just

1115
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: been around a while, and that has worked with like

1116
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: such a wide variety of elite pitchers. I think you would,

1117
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: more so than the average catcher. You would have some

1118
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: faith in his ability to continue working well with the

1119
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: young studs that are emerging with the Marlins that at

1120
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: least on that side of the ball, he could call

1121
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: a good game by a defensive runt saved. For most

1122
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,959
Speaker 1: of his career, he's rated out really positively in terms

1123
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: of throwing out base runners. That's kind of been up

1124
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: or down first career, I mean overall, kind of right

1125
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: around the league average first career in terms of deterring

1126
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: base dealers.

1127
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 2: And all that.

1128
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: It's it's not not a sexy name, but we just

1129
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: know that the Marlins have to do something with catcher

1130
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: because right now, presumably all the guys that they're bringing

1131
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: back have essentially no major league experience or like the

1132
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: smallest of samples that they need to do something on

1133
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: that regard. And we've mentioned already some trade candidates for

1134
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: them behind the plate. If if nothing else, this guy's

1135
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: going to be on the market, and I someone that

1136
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: at the stage of his career is not going to

1137
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: like require that really long deal. Just a no brain

1138
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: or upgrade for them, even if it doesn't change the

1139
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: direction of the franchise or anything.

1140
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: And then he does also have a slight connection with

1141
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: the organization too. I mean JP Andre and Cbo who

1142
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: briefly played with the Blue Jays as goams. I believe

1143
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: Gohames came up with Toronto. I'm not I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah,

1144
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: you're right about together. But you know, a catcher talking

1145
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: about another catcher of guys that can kind of feed

1146
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: off each other. Aaron Cba, you know, being there a

1147
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: lot during the season on site, he obviously did pre

1148
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: a post game. He was a guy who was around

1149
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: the team a lot, and I think is a very

1150
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: observant guy when it comes to just like the aspects

1151
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: of catching and a lot that it entails. I think

1152
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: that could be like a good guy that he could

1153
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: even go to. Not that he's necessarily an advisory role,

1154
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: but you know somebody that you can have casual conversation

1155
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: with about your position. And you know, Aaron Steva didn't

1156
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: have the sexiest big league career, but you know, he

1157
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: played in the major league, so he's got to know something.

1158
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: I mean, they're pretty close in age. I mean, it's

1159
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: not you know, it's not a bad fit. Any above

1160
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: average offense you get out of a catcher is a plus.

1161
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: And he you know what's great about Gomes is he

1162
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: kind of has a track record of being around successful teams.

1163
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: You know, he was with the Nationals in twenty nineteen,

1164
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: who was with Oakland. He's with Cleveland when they kind

1165
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: of ascended again to irrelevancy. And you know it was

1166
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: with Toronto before they further turned it around him too,

1167
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: So he's always kind of been on pretty good teams

1168
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: for the most part during the career. I like him.

1169
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: If you want to talk about a guy, I think

1170
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: that will command at money though, and You'm glad. I

1171
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: was going to mention it at some point because this week,

1172
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: but his second.

1173
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 5: Team that I've probably had three to five tweets now

1174
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 5: at this point where I've championed Kim Ang to open

1175
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 5: up the check book and say, Chris Taylor please, you know,

1176
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: I really want.

1177
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: You over here prepared with the photo of him.

1178
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm excited and I love you for that. But you know,

1179
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: we talked previously about it at water Escobar a guy

1180
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: who at times has been an above average hitter. But

1181
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: then you have Chris Taylor, who not only is an

1182
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: above average hitter but has a consistent track record of

1183
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: hitting in the postseason, and he plays all over the field.

1184
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: ELI this year seven games started at six different positions

1185
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: right field, center field, second base, third base, shortstop, left field,

1186
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: and I and he was about average to slightly above

1187
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: average at if not most of them, you know, all

1188
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: of them. I believe there were some spots where he

1189
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: was like slightly below average, but again he stopped playing

1190
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: there on an everyday basis, so it's okay. He You know,

1191
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: when ben Zober's was a free agent after he won

1192
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: the World Series with Kansas City in twenty fifteen, the

1193
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: general consensus surrounding him as utility players you know, further

1194
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: gain relevancy in the free agent market as being guys

1195
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: who you think could covet expensive, comfortable, multi year deals,

1196
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: is that, hey, these guys like could pretty much fit

1197
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: any team because it does not hurt to have a

1198
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: guy that can be an above average offensive player. Oh

1199
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: and oh yeah. The other thing is you can move

1200
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: all around the field, do everything you need him to do. Surprisingly,

1201
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: he's never played first base, so but I don't really

1202
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: think that would be an issue. We have lew In Diaz,

1203
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: so I think we're covered there. But Chris Taylor, you know,

1204
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: a one ten ops plus and that might not seem

1205
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: like a lot, but when you're playing in Doctor Stadium

1206
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: and you're playing on the National League West where some

1207
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: of the other ballparker you're playing in San Francisco, and

1208
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: you know Arizona, which is another it's a good hitter

1209
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 2: spart Colorado to be that, and you know San Diego,

1210
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: another ballpark where it's not necessarily easy to hit, to

1211
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: even be remotely above league average. But granted, he's done

1212
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: it now four years where he's getting a base at

1213
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: a three forty plus clip. Last year I believe he

1214
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: had a free eighty on base percentage. So he showed

1215
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: us what he could do even more with the with

1216
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: further play discipline. He had a three forty four OVP

1217
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: this year, two point seven war this year. I mean

1218
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: the As far as what I think he gets, it's

1219
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: for it's a zobrast like contract, But I would not

1220
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: be surprised if he's you know, somebody offers him sixty

1221
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: seventy million dollars to play for them all over the field. Again,

1222
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: I think he feels any team's needs. We have John Birdie,

1223
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: and John Birdie was a pleasant surprise in twenty twenty

1224
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: in that shortened season with the way that he was

1225
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: able to get on base. But you want sustain performance,

1226
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: I think Chris Taylor provides that with the knack for

1227
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: being able to move all over the field a lah

1228
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,479
Speaker 2: Keith Ernandez, Tony Phillips, with the offense thrown in there,

1229
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: and I mean, yeah, if the Marlins don't sign a

1230
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: big name shortstop, if they I mean, which you know,

1231
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: they don't really have incentive to now given that Rojas

1232
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: is locked up for the next two years. But if

1233
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: you know Carlos Korean doesn't get a call from the

1234
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: Marlins and we don't throw a blank checking him Verseet

1235
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: truffre storer Seeger, Chris Taylor has to be, if not after,

1236
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: someone that you pursue early in this offseason because just

1237
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: the performance alone with the position for utility is so

1238
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: valuable just keeping guys fresh. I think he's one of

1239
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: the main reasons why twenty seventeen onward, even though they

1240
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: had already won four straight divisions, but the Dodgers continued

1241
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: to succeed and kind of took that next step to

1242
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, three World Series appearances in the last four years.

1243
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: He was a massive part of that. I mean he

1244
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: hit three home runs. In Game five with the Championship Series,

1245
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: he hit a home run to off Alex Reyes, who

1246
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: had a pretty good year for the Cardinals, to win

1247
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: the wild card game. He believed he won a co

1248
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: NLCS MVP in twenty eighteen. So the tracker record of

1249
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: success is there, and I think it's about time he

1250
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: gets paid. And I really want the Mardins to be

1251
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: the team that pay him. I think again, he fits anywhere,

1252
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: but please come to Miami. Right, that's my last flee. Now.

1253
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: He's one of the poster children of the the like

1254
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: practice of elevating the ball and keeping it off the grounds.

1255
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: For his entire career, he has hit into twenty seven

1256
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: double plays. For someone that has played in parts of

1257
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: eight seasons. That's the kind of number that Albert Pooles

1258
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: puts up in like a single year back in his day.

1259
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: That like Miguel Cabrera. For as much as we love

1260
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Miguel Cabrera, that's kind of a number that he's hit

1261
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: in single individual seasons. You look at it at the

1262
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: launch angle that he puts on the ball like kind

1263
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: of just with one exception, really the shortened season in

1264
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty was a little bit higher than usual in

1265
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: terms of like straying away from that consistency. But almost

1266
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: every other season of his career, he gets the ball

1267
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: in the air enough and he really squares it up

1268
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: consistently enough in such a way that I think that

1269
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: travels that travels anywhere, including to lone depot park. That

1270
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: he is that very ultra rare super utility player that

1271
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: also hits for solid extra base power that he's going

1272
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: to hit over the fence, he's also going to hit

1273
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: it into the gaps, and he's the speed take advantage

1274
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: of that both on balls and play and just in

1275
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: terms of stealing bases as well at a a fishing clip.

1276
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: He is. You plug him into any team and he

1277
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: makes that team better. This past year was the very

1278
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: first time that he was an All Star, which surprised

1279
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: me because he's been flirting at like the same level

1280
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: for this past half decade now with the Dodgers. His

1281
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: postseason performance, that's just like the cherry on top. You know,

1282
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: he was the NLCSMVP back in twenty seventeen. He was

1283
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: it would have been a strong contender for that exact

1284
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: same honor this year if the Dodgers had somehow won

1285
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: the series. He was one of the few guys I

1286
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: was keeping them in the series, and that was carrying

1287
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: their offense at a time when Corey Seeger wasn't quite

1288
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: at that level, when Justin Turner was hurt on some

1289
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: of these other household names that have gotten who are

1290
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: about to get their big contractor have already gotten it,

1291
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: they weren't quite on that same level. And he's been

1292
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: able to do.

1293
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 3: That to Taylor.

1294
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 6: With a fly ball the deep left center field, Chris

1295
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 6: Taylor has hit his third home run up that night

1296
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 6: and becomes the eleventh different player in faceball history the

1297
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 6: three home runs in a postseason game.

1298
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: Chris Taylor.

1299
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: One of the few drawbacks with him is that he

1300
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: does strike out quite a lot, and especially like this year,

1301
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: in particular, down the stretch of this year, as I said,

1302
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: he was an All Star for his first half, and

1303
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: then towards the end of the year, they were a

1304
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: little worried about him because he went into a really

1305
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: deep slump for a lot of September when he just

1306
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: couldn't put his bat on the ball, there will be

1307
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: some streakiness with him. That's just nitpicking. I mean, there

1308
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: are so many guys already on this Marlins roster who

1309
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: are streaky as well that we kind of have penciled

1310
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: in to be either everyday players or close to that.

1311
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: It kind of just depends we know what exactly he's

1312
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: looking for in free agency aside from the biggest contract

1313
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: that's going to be the main objective for him. But

1314
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: in terms of whether he wants to continue being like

1315
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: this for utility guy or whether there's a particular position

1316
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: that he feels most comfortable at, at least for you know,

1317
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: this past year played a lot of center field and

1318
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: a lot of second base, and we know that center

1319
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: field in particular, that's where one of the voids are

1320
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: with this team as long as he's willing to play it,

1321
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: and then i mean the question becomes exactly what to

1322
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: do with him by the end of the contract, assuming

1323
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: it is perhaps a four year deal, he probably won't

1324
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: be an everyday center fielder four years from now. This

1325
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: is kind of the same conversation we had with like

1326
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: Starling Marte, where he was someone that was in the

1327
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: market going to be in line for a similar contract himself,

1328
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: but while the Marlins were in extension talks with him

1329
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: as a as a pending free agent, but with Taylor,

1330
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: just because he has so much experience on the infield

1331
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: as well, you feel like he'll get some value out

1332
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: of every single year of the deal. That's kind of

1333
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: what even though it's probably more on an annual base,

1334
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: the you're comfortable with.

1335
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 3: I like the.

1336
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: I feel like he will age pretty gracefully because of

1337
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: this approach that he has ever played in, because of

1338
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: like all the area, all the positions where he could

1339
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: spot him in just based on the team's needs.

1340
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, this may be a bit of like a

1341
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: hot take, but the Dodgers are a team that are

1342
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 2: even without you know, with a lot of the guys

1343
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: that they lose, you have to realize they're still going

1344
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: in the next year with another year. Justin Turner, Mookie

1345
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 2: Betts is there for a long time. Cody Bellinger is

1346
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: not going to put a w A put up at

1347
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: WRC plus a forty eight. Again, I just think what

1348
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: the adjustments. Even in the postseason, you saw that he's

1349
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: going to turn a corner, he's working on a swing.

1350
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: Things are going to be a lot more fruitful for him,

1351
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: but for a team that's littered with the number of

1352
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: kind of great to above average big league players that

1353
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: the Dodgers have, Chris Taylor, to me, was the most

1354
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: important position player on that roster beyond Keiky Hernandez during

1355
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 2: these last four or so years, and he spent five

1356
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 2: seasons with them, four years, five seasons. Because of what

1357
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: we've kind of constantly beaten into the listener right now,

1358
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 2: and what baseball fans have seen and what La Fence

1359
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: didn't even I wouldn't even say it took for granted,

1360
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: because positional versatility is a thing that the Dodgers kind

1361
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: of preach. Because if you look at everybody on that roster,

1362
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: Bellinger could play every outfield spot. Turner played a lot

1363
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: of shortstop when he first came over to the Dodgers,

1364
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: played some second base, some first base. I mean, Gavin

1365
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: Lux played center fields for them in the playoffs. He's

1366
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: a good defender at short and second. He played some

1367
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: third base for them. Matt Baby, who is an average

1368
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: to slightly above averagehitor everywhere in the outfield except center field,

1369
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:49,520
Speaker 2: played first and third. But Chris Taylor just the consistent

1370
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: offensive performance and the way that they can rest guys

1371
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: and move guys around, and you know, his willingness to

1372
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: just go wherever Dave Robertson need in him there while

1373
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 2: being in La is what has kind of made him

1374
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: so important. And again, I know I said everybody can

1375
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: kind of do that. I mean, Mookie Bets can play

1376
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: second base if they need him to do right and

1377
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: he can play center field, and he can play shorts,

1378
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: and you can play right field as good as anybody.

1379
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 2: But Taylor just consistently performing as an above average offensive

1380
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: player and not playing one or two positions, at six

1381
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 2: positions and being serviceable to above average all of them,

1382
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: and hitting the way that he does. Again, that's why

1383
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: I think he's so valuable. I'm not you know, saying

1384
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: like Chris Taylor needs to have a plaque of Cooperstown.

1385
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll ever accrue the value to merit that,

1386
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 2: But I'm but just the importance to him cannot be overstated.

1387
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: To that, or to the importance for him to the

1388
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: Dodgers just cannot be overstated. So you know, anybody who

1389
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: gets him is going to be getting you know, they're

1390
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 2: going to be getting such an important part to a roster.

1391
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: I think that just lengthens your roster so much because

1392
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: he's like a band aid for everybody else. Just can

1393
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 2: just keep him fresh and help heal when guys are tired,

1394
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: you know, somebody's injured. Just he's a plug and play guy.

1395
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 2: You know, he's like, put me in, coach, you know,

1396
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 2: to quote the John Fogerd, he's on, I'm ready to play,

1397
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 2: and he's yeah and yeah. I love him so much.

1398
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: I just love his well. Yeah.

1399
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: One other factor to consider is that the Dodgers will

1400
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 1: be extending a qualifying offer to him that he'll reject,

1401
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: which will attract him to attach him to draft pick compensation.

1402
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: The Marlins wud have to give up their third overall

1403
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: pick this upcoming draft, so I should be in the

1404
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: second round of the draft, like in the fifties number.

1405
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: That's that's something that is, at least according to reports,

1406
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: they've kind of totally ruled out any qualifying offer players

1407
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: and since this rebuild started, because they like they believe

1408
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: so much in the draft their ability to get good

1409
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: value from the draft that they are unwilling to budge

1410
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: on that. In order to address immediate major league needs,

1411
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: they'd have to They have to evolve on that stance,

1412
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people expect them to

1413
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: because they understand, like, this is finally the stage of

1414
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: the rebuild where you need to take the major league

1415
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: competition seriously, and in order to do that, you'll you'll

1416
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: have to make those kind of like marginal sacrifices in

1417
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: your future in order to improve right away. So I'm

1418
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: not sure that would scare them away. What ultimately would

1419
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: scare them away, I think is if another team comes

1420
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: in with like a five year offer or he brought

1421
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: up DJ Lemayhew earlier in the pod, is it I mean,

1422
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: is it that crazy to think that he could get

1423
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: DJ Lamayhew money. I think probably just because he's not

1424
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: he hasn't reached that level of offensive amazingness that that

1425
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: Lomayhew did the previous couple of years. You just never

1426
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: know heading into them. All takes is one crazy team

1427
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: to like totally screw up the market for everybody else.

1428
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he le Mayhew's ceiling was like two

1429
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: very good years with the Yankees, but and one of

1430
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: them was you know, cut in thirds in twenty twenty.

1431
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I mean, yeah, he's not getting

1432
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars. I don't see him being a

1433
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: ninety hundred million dollar player, but you know, I could

1434
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,799
Speaker 2: put my head to the pillow, okay, knowing the Marlins

1435
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: gave him, say four for seventy sixty eight, if you

1436
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: want to give him, you know, say sixteen and a

1437
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 2: half million dollars over four years. But you know, before

1438
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: I get on one knee and ask Chris Taylor to

1439
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 2: marry me, we'll move on to another player who I

1440
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: don't you know, maybe the fit isn't perfect, and this

1441
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: is gonna be the last guy that I have. I've

1442
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: mentioned him before. I wrote a piece on fish stripes,

1443
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 2: I believe back in July or about why I thought

1444
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: he would make sense. Another guy who's kind of had

1445
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 2: a slight renaissance with San Francisco's analytics apartment. I think

1446
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 2: embracing lawn j Angle more because the strikeouts are up

1447
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 2: a bit, but you can offset it with his ability

1448
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: to just get on base at a crazy, crazy rate.

1449
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: Brandon Belt, I mean he had only you know, you know,

1450
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: he played ninety seven games in twenty twenty one. He

1451
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: still he did a career high twenty nine home runs.

1452
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: He had never hit more than eighteen home runs in

1453
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: any previous season with San Francisco. And again, some of

1454
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: that maybe the ballpark, his ability to kind of just

1455
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: get on base in an elite rate. But you know,

1456
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 2: he is a three seventy eight on base percentage this year,

1457
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: a five ninety seven second percentage I believe, a one

1458
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: sixty ops plus since the start of twenty twenty. And

1459
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: it's a battle full season slate of games. I mean,

1460
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: the numbers kind of speak to themselves. He's probably been

1461
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: among the three to four best offensive first basement in

1462
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: the sport two eighty five, three ninety three, five ninety five,

1463
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 2: thirty eight home runs, eighty nine driven in. He missed

1464
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: some time with a thumb injury. He didn't play in

1465
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: the Division Series, but and you know, you could argue

1466
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 2: that if he's there, the Giants maybe upset the Dodgers

1467
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: and win that series. Sure, But Brandon Belt, I mean,

1468
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: the defense too, has always been a good It has

1469
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: been a thing that people don't ever give him enough

1470
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 2: credit for. He's a good defensive first baseman. If I'm

1471
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 2: not mistaken, he I believe he may have a goal

1472
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: glove in his trophy case somewhere. I could be wrong

1473
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: on that one, but I don't see one.

1474
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: He was probably a finalist at some point.

1475
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: He may have been, but he's just steady, I mean,

1476
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: and the last couple of years are kind of like

1477
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: seeing him take his game to another level. I think too,

1478
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: like you talked about with Dugger, you take him out

1479
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: of San Francisco and maybe unlock a little bit more

1480
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 2: in the hit tool, just because he's not playing at

1481
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: in as spacious an outfield as San Francisco. As far

1482
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: as where he's hitting, I mean, Brandon, I mean, Brandon

1483
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: Belt would be a dream. You're not gonna play him

1484
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: in right field anymore. I think the days of him

1485
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: getting the occasional corner outfield start gone by as he

1486
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: approaches his mid thirties. But I think the hit tool

1487
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 2: has just gotten to the point where you can't not

1488
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: at least consider him even if Luenda is is there,

1489
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 2: even if you kind of have a guy like Garret

1490
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: Cooper and you have a guy like ag Ye, are

1491
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 2: still theyor I just think the offense is so elite

1492
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: at this point, And you could say elite just because

1493
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: it's I mean a one sixty ops plus like that's

1494
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: you know that can win you an MVP if you're

1495
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: doing that over the course of a full season, and

1496
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: he's kind of been that guy for like a year now.

1497
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: As far as the slate of games is concerned, I think,

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: you know, internally, they'll probably just stay with Lewins because

1499
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: San Francisco will probably give him a qualifying offer, and

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01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 2: you talked about it previously with Taylor. They may not

1501
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 2: want to give up you know, compensation picks. But I mean,

1502
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: it's alluring to see a guy who can put up

1503
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 2: a you know, near four hundred OVP at first base

1504
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 2: and give you serviceable defense. I think you'd sacrifice Lewin's

1505
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: gold glove defense for more offense than the way it

1506
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 2: Belt mean offenses were you know, the Marlins kind of

1507
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: we're most starved for as far as you know, any

1508
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: need is concerned. But I don't know. Brandon Belt wouldn't

1509
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: be a bad option at first base.

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01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: Very much in my mind, in that Kennley Jansen bucket

1511
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 1: where it's just hard to envision him being with another

1512
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: team yet he's just going to be a free agent.

1513
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: The other teams will, it seems to have a chance

1514
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: to negotiate with him, so he can't totally rule it out.

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:30,560
Speaker 4: I was.

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01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: I didn't actually realize exactly how incredible both on base

1517
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: and the power was his past year. I thought it

1518
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: was only the power because that's that is always that

1519
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: about his home runs. I had that kind of memorized

1520
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: where even though he was even somebody that has been

1521
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: I would think pretty divisive among the Giants community because

1522
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: he's had a traditional power position and through a combination

1523
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: of his skill set but also just the ballpark, he

1524
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: hadn't hit that many home runs, and yet by a

1525
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: lot of stats, he's just been really valuable without doing

1526
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: it in a conventional way. The very last player that

1527
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: I'll touch on, he'd be a trade candidate from the Diamondbacks,

1528
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: Carson Kelly, who has been their primary catcher for most

1529
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: of the last three years. Before that is he was

1530
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: in that very unfortunate position of being Yadier Molina's backup

1531
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: and getting buried. And a lot of players have been

1532
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: screwed up throughout the last decade and a half just

1533
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: because they don't get to play behind Yati. And they

1534
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: freed him by trading him to the Dbacks early in

1535
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: that first year in twenty nineteen with the d Becks,

1536
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: he was on fire, one of the hottest hitters in

1537
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: the league. He came back down to earth since then.

1538
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: He was pretty off his game in twenty twenty, but

1539
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: then he had a nice rebound this past year. Something

1540
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: I've mentioned on the previous shows is if somebody had

1541
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: a strong year before the pandemic and they had a

1542
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 1: relatively strong year after the pandemic, I kind of just

1543
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: throw out twenty twenty for the most part, and he's

1544
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: done that. He has solid position slid power for the position,

1545
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: and he does draw a whole lot of walks as well.

1546
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: That just give him a pretty decent floor as an

1547
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: offensive player. At the same time, it's difficult to like

1548
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,839
Speaker 1: really covet somebody that's attached to how terrible the Dbacks

1549
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 1: were this past year like that was. I think anybody

1550
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: coming out of that mess might not be the same

1551
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: as they were going into it. I feel really bad

1552
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: for him. The way that the Dbacks are set up

1553
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: right now, there's still a few years away from digging

1554
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 1: themselves out of losing a million games, and they also

1555
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: have a couple of catchers that are major League ready

1556
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: that can kind of fill Kelly's shoes. So he's got

1557
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: three years left of team control, all in arbitration eligibility,

1558
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: and I think I bring up just because I'm pretty

1559
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: sure he'll be available, and as we're looking across Marlins

1560
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: will be looking at every conceivable route to address Catcher,

1561
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: and he just seems to be in that nice middle

1562
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: grounds where it's I guess it's okay to prefer some

1563
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: of these guys on short term deals where you're not

1564
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: taking a whole lot of risk, but with him, at

1565
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: least you get a few bites at the apple because

1566
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: of the arbitration eligibility, he still has left to go,

1567
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: and just because where the d decks are at and

1568
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: that they have some decent internal options, that the price

1569
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't think would be all that high to get

1570
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: him in terms of prospect capital only twenty seven years

1571
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: old terms twenty eight in the middle of next year.

1572
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: That certainly in the same way that Joan Gomes, he

1573
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: raises the floor considerably for what they have at Catcher,

1574
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: and they just need to be looking cast a really

1575
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: wide net at that position to try to figure it out.

1576
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: So he's a guy, he's a guy that, yeah, should

1577
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: be available, and.

1578
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, you know why I kind of compare him

1579
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: to a different, you know, not to say that they're

1580
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 2: the same player, but as far as where they lie

1581
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: in respect that their team's respective rebuilds is he kind

1582
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 2: of reminds me of a guy like Jacob Stallings. I know,

1583
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: the Mores have kind of been attached to it several times.

1584
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: Not as far as the overall skill set goes, though

1585
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: Stallings is. You know, he's a pretty good, the slightly

1586
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: above average major league catcher as far as what he

1587
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 2: provides offensively. But you look at their ages and I

1588
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 2: believe Stallins is already thirty or thirty one by the

1589
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: time the Pirates attempt to be competitive against Saying three

1590
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 2: to five years, you don't know what kind of player

1591
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 2: Stallings is going to be. If he's more of an

1592
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: accessory piece or he's still an everyday catcher. I mean,

1593
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 2: you most catchers don't play into their late thirties anyway.

1594
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: But I think a guy like Carson Kelly, who won't

1595
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: turn twenty eight until next July, is still a young

1596
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: enough to be you know, is somebody who, if he

1597
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 2: gives given a shot to play on a team that

1598
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:51,879
Speaker 2: I think has burgeoning aspirations to be better with, can succeed.

1599
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: And you know, he put up a one of seven

1600
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: ops plus as a catcher this year. You know, got

1601
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: he drew forty four walks in ninety eight games. If

1602
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 2: you can druss sty plus walks is a catcher over

1603
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: the course of a full season, say he plays one

1604
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: underd twenty five hundred thirty games, You'll take that. If

1605
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: the defense is good and he's not. You know, he's

1606
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 2: not an elite defender, but he's pretty you know, he's

1607
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: not the worst guy you can have back there. Granted,

1608
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: like you said, he is coming off catching among one

1609
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: of the worsher pitching staffs in the sport. But yeah,

1610
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,440
Speaker 2: I think though, like in relation to a guy like Stallings,

1611
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: in three to five years, you don't know if Carson

1612
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 2: Kelly is still gonna be a great catcher to where

1613
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: you don't know what you should have for him in

1614
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: Arizona once the Diamondbacks are competitive again. And I think

1615
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: now where you're trying to salvage the best maybe two

1616
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: to three seasons of his career out of Kelly, you

1617
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 2: want to put him on a team where he'll have

1618
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: a chance to contribute those good seasons to a team

1619
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 2: that wants to go to the playoffs. And obviously every

1620
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: team wants to be playoff bound at the end of

1621
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 2: every season, and they say that at the outside of

1622
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: spring training, but you know, you give true serum to

1623
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: people in the front office. They know that you're not

1624
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: going to compete every year. And I don't think the

1625
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks would do that next year. And I think Kelly

1626
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: couldn't merit a decent return. I don't think he would

1627
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: cost a whole lot, but he could give them maybe

1628
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 2: a player that helps him out later on and could

1629
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: address a need for the Marlins where we were, you know,

1630
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: sorely shorthanded as far as you know, commendable catching goes.

1631
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he would be a nice addition

1632
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 2: to the team. He'd have to learn a new pitching staff.

1633
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: That's always kind of a hard transition, but you know,

1634
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: he would have a chance to play every day as

1635
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: far as the catcher goes. And yeah, it would definitely

1636
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: be an upgrade from where we were. I mean this point,

1637
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 2: anything's an upgrade a catcher for the Marlins, but it'd

1638
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: be a guy who has some offensive upside for sure.

1639
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: You brought up Jacob style and if Craigmish, if you're

1640
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: still listening, at the one hour twenty four minute mark

1641
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: of this pot. Well, I'm sure we'll be covering Stallings

1642
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: on the next episode because he was just good enough

1643
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: defensively that he bumped himself up an aisle like he

1644
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: reached three war this past season. So he will be

1645
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: in Isle number four coming up next week here on

1646
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: this podcast channel. We'll cover him. We'll cover everybody else

1647
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: in that tier right above this one. But this has

1648
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,759
Speaker 1: been Ile three of Marlins off season shopping with Lewis

1649
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: Eddie Ois, I'm eli Susman. Be sure to check out

1650
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: the previous editions of this series as well. We still

1651
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 1: got a couple episodes ago. I think we'll do two

1652
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: more episodes of this after we'll do Ale four with

1653
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: guys between three and four War and then we'll cover

1654
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: the superstars. We'll cover the highest tier of guys that

1655
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: were even above that threshold. So still a couple more

1656
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: of these shows to go. As always, let us know

1657
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 1: if we missed anybody in this tier aside from the

1658
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: dozen or so players that we had covered, And just

1659
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: as a refresher the overlaps that we had we had

1660
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: Rush Sail see Yes, wed Mark Kanna and Chris Taylor Man,

1661
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: if they get just like two of those three this offseason,

1662
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: that would be a long that'd go a long way

1663
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: into making this successful winner for the Marlins. As we're

1664
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: by the next time we record, I think the World

1665
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: Series will be over and we will legitimately be in

1666
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: the full blown off season. So very much looking forward

1667
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: to that and coming up with a direction for the

1668
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: Marlins to go this winner. Thanks for listening, As always,

1669
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: make your subscribe to this pod wherever you get your podcast,

1670
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: and stay tuned for more Go Fish.

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Speaker 2: Take care.