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Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio Special Operations, military news and

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Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community. Hello, everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Software Radio, Software Bradio on Time on Target.

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Speaker 1: We have a very special guest with us today, Dr

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Speaker 1: David Eagleman is going to talk to us about an

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Speaker 1: issue that's near and tad to a lot of veterans.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, tonight's are ringing in the years, I guess

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Speaker 1: I know audiologist called it by a different name, and

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Speaker 1: I found out that. But uh, it's it isn't a

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Speaker 1: laughing matter. I mean, a lot of us suffer with this,

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Speaker 1: myself included. I've been suffering with this ringing in the

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Speaker 1: years for over twenty five years. Uh. And so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna welcome Dr Eagleman to the podcast. Doc, thank you

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Speaker 1: uh an issue that probably affects more than a billion

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Speaker 1: it's fifteen percent of the population has this ringing in

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Speaker 1: of people who should wear hearing aids don't wear here aids.

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Speaker 1: And part of the reason is that it's socially embarrassing

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Speaker 1: for people. Nobody wants to feel old. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: feel like they've got something wrong, and so, um, one

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Speaker 1: of the advantages this has had for us is that,

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Speaker 1: as he said, it looks like a fitbit, and um,

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Speaker 1: no one even notices you're wearing it. And uh, with

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Speaker 1: our next product that's coming out for high frequency hearing loss,

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Speaker 1: someone one of our study participants just wrote to us

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Speaker 1: and said it's better than his six thousand dollar hearing

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Speaker 1: aids in terms of allowing him to understand speech. And

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Speaker 1: so I think this is I think this is just

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Speaker 1: a sort of a funny side note about social whatever

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Speaker 1: what allows people to to wear something, And it's just

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Speaker 1: been very useful. So you know, I hope anyone out

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Speaker 1: there who's suffering from hearing loss will we'll consider trying

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Speaker 1: this out. Yeah, and you know, for somebody who wears

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Speaker 1: hearing ages as well. Right now, I have my earbuds

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Speaker 1: in for that, you know, for the podcast, but I

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Speaker 1: wear them and it does help with the not only hearing,

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Speaker 1: but it does muffle a little bit of that tonight

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Speaker 1: is something. But you can't wear them to bed. But uh, this,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're like you. I didn't want to say

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Speaker 1: fitbit because I thought maybe that was a you know,

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Speaker 1: uh one of those. It's almost like a common down

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Speaker 1: now and but uh, you know, uh people would be

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Speaker 1: more apt to wear that than they would hearing it,

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Speaker 1: like you said, which is, uh, that's really cool. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Doc, I really want to thank you. I

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Speaker 1: know you have other appointments to do today, but this is,

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Speaker 1: like I said, this is a near and dear issue

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Speaker 1: to myself and other veterans. Hearing loss is no joke,

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Speaker 1: and ringing in the ears, especially at night, like I said,

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Speaker 1: when you're trying to sleep, is really really difficult, and

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Speaker 1: this is something that could possibly work for a lot

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Speaker 1: of our fellow veterans. And and again Neosensory dot Com,

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Speaker 1: Dr Eagleman, before we let you go, is there anything

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Speaker 1: you'd like to add? You know, I'll just I'll just

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Speaker 1: add two things, which is, um, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the things we've been doing on the website is we

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Speaker 1: have these uh you know, people write in endorsements, but

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Speaker 1: they're verified through a third part of company. So if

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Speaker 1: anyone's curious, you can see the experience that other people

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Speaker 1: have had with this. And so but you know, I'll

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Speaker 1: just mention one other things, which is this is a

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Speaker 1: method for pushing information into the brain via patterns of

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Speaker 1: vibration on the skin. And so we actually have several

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Speaker 1: other things going on um where we feed in not

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Speaker 1: only hearing information, but other kinds of projects like you know,

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Speaker 1: for example, as you're flying a drone, we can feed

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Speaker 1: in the pitch y'all role, orientation and heading of the

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Speaker 1: drone directly into the skin and into the brain that way,

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Speaker 1: and people can come to sort of be one with

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Speaker 1: their drone. We're doing all kinds of military applications that

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Speaker 1: are very cool with this. You can see infrared. For example,

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Speaker 1: we can hook up an infrared camera and you feel

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Speaker 1: the infrared information on your wrist. Things like this have

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Speaker 1: been very cool for us. But what what we're you know,

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Speaker 1: what we're constrating on now, just from the point of

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Speaker 1: view of the company and how it runs, is is

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Speaker 1: this issue of hearing. But I think, especially for those

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Speaker 1: in the military, you'll be seeing more and more of

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Speaker 1: us as we're doing these other projects. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna ask if there's a lot more applications that you

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Speaker 1: could use that that Risks band for it, and it

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Speaker 1: sounds like yeah, yeah, we actually have seventy seven zero

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Speaker 1: applications under development right now. And so actually, if anyone's

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Speaker 1: curiously when you go to the website, you can click

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Speaker 1: on the developers link and see all kinds, or you

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Speaker 1: can click on the blog link and see all the

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Speaker 1: different things that we're doing. Yeah, but our main thing

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Speaker 1: in this context, you know, hearing and and the ringing

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Speaker 1: of the ears that so many people have. Well, that's great,

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Speaker 1: And again to all our listeners out there, we we

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Speaker 1: definitely recommend you guys checked the sout Neil Sensory dot com.

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Speaker 1: Dr David Eagleman, Doc, thank you very very much for

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Speaker 1: joining us today. We appreciate your time, uh and all

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Speaker 1: the work you're doing to help our fellow veterans. And again,

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Speaker 1: if you check out the website, they're they're offering a

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Speaker 1: veterans discount and if this can help with hearing loss

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Speaker 1: or your tonightus, all the more power to all of

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Speaker 1: us because we could all use a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a help, you know, wherever we can get it. But

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Speaker 1: before we go, and uh, we want to thank our

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Speaker 1: our guests today, Dr David Eagleman, Doc, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today. We really appreciate your time,

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Speaker 1: and you know I'm gonna check out your website as

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Speaker 1: soon as we're done here. I would like to get

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Speaker 1: a little relief as well. Terrific. All right, well, thank

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Speaker 1: you Stephen. To everyone listening, thank you so much for

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