WEBVTT - The First Trump-Harris Presidential Debate

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, they're both seating cats and dogs, So execute the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel not gonna be around in two years, and transgender

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<v Speaker 1>surgeries on illegal immigrants in prison. And we are barely

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<v Speaker 1>now scratching the surface of the first and maybe only

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<v Speaker 1>presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>You still have it up. The headline you just saw?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it the hill? You just told me the headline

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<v Speaker 1>they already have. As we're kind of summing up here

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<v Speaker 1>what we just witnessed, you said they were kind of harsh. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this might be the way, it might be the consensus,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were the first to say it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Just questioning whether or not Trump could have done himself

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<v Speaker 2>in in the same way Biden did with his performance

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<v Speaker 2>at tonight's debate, and it was a head scratcher. I

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<v Speaker 2>think for a lot of people watch. I've never said

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<v Speaker 2>what is he talking about? More than I've ever asked

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<v Speaker 2>myself when watching a debate. It just it went into

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<v Speaker 2>so many different bizarre and unexpected places that it did

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<v Speaker 2>leave me perplexed, and I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>watching were also confused. In moments by what was actually happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, obviously you weren't alone, because, like I said, we

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<v Speaker 1>noticed one of the top trending topics, I think number

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<v Speaker 1>one or number two all night was what is he

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? Donald Trump had a bad night? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's not just us saying that. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be and we keep several screens up and it's the consensus.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we see Fox News lead with he had

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<v Speaker 1>a bad night, off night, missed opportunities. She was strong.

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<v Speaker 1>When they're saying that, then you know what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>night it was, and she did what she had to

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<v Speaker 1>do tonight. I mean it's hard to it was almost

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<v Speaker 1>like she was beating up on the guy. Were used

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<v Speaker 1>to seeing beat up on people, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know the thing I've seen come out

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<v Speaker 2>about Kamala was, you know, some people liked it and

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<v Speaker 2>some people felt distracted by it, and some people were

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<v Speaker 2>concerned it could come off as condescending. But we always

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<v Speaker 2>look at how the other presidential candidate is looking or

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<v Speaker 2>reacting to Because the mics were turned off when the

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<v Speaker 2>other was speaking, but she also looked confused, and from

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<v Speaker 2>what I just said, that might have been a fair

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to some of the things he was saying, but

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<v Speaker 2>she was smiling a lot and looking a lot. So

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<v Speaker 2>there have been memes already made all across the internet,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure throughout the day of her confusion or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, sir, what are you saying? So the memes

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<v Speaker 2>are abound. That's one of the big headlines coming from

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<v Speaker 2>her in reaction to Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was feeling what we were all here.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, correct, So it was a shared experience, I think

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of folks. And then the other commentary

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<v Speaker 2>and Fox News, we did watch some of what they

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<v Speaker 2>had to say was and this isn't surprising at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did go on the offense against ABC News,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that there was not enough follow ups. Kamala was

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<v Speaker 2>asked about her flip flopping on several issues. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>answer or at least explain her switch and position, and

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<v Speaker 2>ABC didn't hold her accountable. So there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of finger pointing in that direction that they were holding

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<v Speaker 2>Trump accountable and they were harsh with him, but weren't

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<v Speaker 2>giving Kamala Harris the same treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that is true. That is undeniable, and we

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<v Speaker 1>maybe need to hit on that because we well more

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<v Speaker 1>than most hogues have insight and know the two moderators, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>who have been longtime friends of ours, so we can

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<v Speaker 1>give some insight into that. But let's go back and

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<v Speaker 1>ask you actually before I get to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the top and just them coming out. Yeah, you just

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that you saw some reaction and some people are

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<v Speaker 1>taking issue with her mannerisms or how she was speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to him. What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was just the memes, like you know, her

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<v Speaker 2>facial expressions when he was talking. They're there, are they're everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and there a lot of them are positive, they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're commiserating where they're saying. This is what I This

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<v Speaker 2>is what my teacher looked at me when I told her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what happened to my homework last night. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it wasn't negative towards her, just reacting to

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<v Speaker 2>her reaction throughout the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>The folks are so savvy these days, and everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>someone on their staff these days that's under twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>years old just to I know what's going on online.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder she knew exactly what she was doing, and

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<v Speaker 1>she had been told and been coached to do this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>When he starts rambling to where when you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't understand what he's saying, the country also is

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<v Speaker 1>looking at him, and just do and you you start

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<v Speaker 1>something like that that goes that kind of viral and

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<v Speaker 1>gets people talking that stuff might be a fact these days.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point, the Harris team had asked that the

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<v Speaker 2>microphones not be turned off, that there could be a

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<v Speaker 2>real debate, that there could be interruptions and people could

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<v Speaker 2>see how each candidate was reacting to the other. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that she lost that the rules were in place that

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<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't be able to talk or react to him verbally.

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<v Speaker 2>So she kind of nailed it visually her you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't have to say anything. She was saying it

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<v Speaker 2>with her face, she was saying it with her eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>And in a way, those pictures, those lasting images, are

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<v Speaker 2>being spread across the internet. In a way, perhaps if

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<v Speaker 2>she were able to have said what she was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have had the same impact.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't there were times I almost felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, oh, come on, VP, Harris, give him a break,

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<v Speaker 1>like to the point it was almost like a knockout,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's like there was a TKO at some point

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<v Speaker 1>I said it to you. Are we watching? I really

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<v Speaker 1>want this to end. I just this needs to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>You felt almost sorry for him, the way you felt

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for Joe Biden. And it's a different way, like

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<v Speaker 1>she gave him a look that my sister I'm used

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<v Speaker 1>to her saying sometimes just bless his heart, like she

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<v Speaker 1>it was almost just I feel bad. He's rambling. He

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<v Speaker 1>was all over the place, and there's some stuff about

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<v Speaker 1>him we're used to seeing. He was just he fell

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<v Speaker 1>for everything she baited him into.

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<v Speaker 2>He took the bait, and he then and then he went,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went so much further with it. For me,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, initially, I felt like Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>was leading a little bit too much with emotion, too

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<v Speaker 2>much of a deliberate attempt to pull on the heartstrings

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<v Speaker 2>of America at times, and that was I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, please don't go there, Please don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump actually seemed very measured and very much in control,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I thought, Okay, here we go. This is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be interesting. And pretty quickly for me, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>went off the rails when he started talking about Haitian

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, stealing and eating dogs and cats

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<v Speaker 2>and other pets, and and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that long.

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<v Speaker 2>He completely lost me. At that point, I actually was like,

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<v Speaker 2>am I what am I hearing right now? And what

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<v Speaker 2>am I listening to? And how was this a presidential debate?

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<v Speaker 2>And but it went from bad to worse like that

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<v Speaker 2>was where for me, like it just completely started to unravel.

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<v Speaker 2>And he did not. He didn't regain his composure after that.

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<v Speaker 1>I never did. He never seemed to get his footing.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've seen him ramble, we've seen we're almost used

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<v Speaker 1>to him being a certain way. I'm not sure I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen him this off, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, and I have to say, Kamala, you know

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<v Speaker 2>some of these lines were clearly rehearsed, and we obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the candidates go into a very intense practicing mode, and

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<v Speaker 2>we heard she actually had the stage replicated and really

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<v Speaker 2>was prepared, and you could tell she had some doozies

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<v Speaker 2>that I wrote down. And I think probably one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorites was he was fired by eighty one million

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<v Speaker 2>people people, and clearly he's having a hard time processing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she just landed a lot of planes at

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<v Speaker 2>his expense, and it's almost he knew it he's a

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<v Speaker 2>smart man. He felt it, and I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>just it wasn't his night. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how high the bar was for her tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>like what she needed to necessarily do. There's all these

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<v Speaker 1>polls out that still a third of the folks think

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<v Speaker 1>they need to know more about her before they vote

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<v Speaker 1>for They're still getting to know her. She hasn't done

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<v Speaker 1>a one on one sit down interview, she hasn't done

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference, all these things where people are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to learn something about her tonight. So I don't whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the bar was, she exceeded that sucker with his assistance, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he both some of them seemed going in. It's coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the camps that the strategy was let the other

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<v Speaker 1>one do most of the talking, and that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be beneficial for our camp. Just let the other

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<v Speaker 1>one talk, and tonight he was the guy she just

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<v Speaker 1>let talk and she never did. Look the prosecutorial background

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about, they are trained, they know what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>they know how to handle all kinds of folks and

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<v Speaker 1>almost I mean, this was a knockout. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what else to say here, Robes, this is not it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even a policy This is just on optics, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is just on handling the moment. He wasn't up

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<v Speaker 1>to the task and to all that's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. He's talking about people eating dogs. Were you

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the screen like what, yes, how is this relevant?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And then saying if Harris is elected president, Israel

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<v Speaker 2>will be gone in two years. He absolutely blamed Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I mean, it was,

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was. It's one thing to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to point your finger at at what a candidate has

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<v Speaker 2>done or contributed, but to make outlandish claims like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, we're used to some of those types of

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<v Speaker 2>comments from Trump, but this actually was. It exceeded what

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<v Speaker 2>I had heard from him before. It didn't work, It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't land, It wasn't believable. It was almost laughable. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where you started to, as you point out, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even feel sorry for him, because that's not that it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work, and you know he Look, we see politicians

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides of the Aisle fear monger. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge part when you see any campaign ad. This

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<v Speaker 2>is this has been going on since the beginning of time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gotten worse. But tonight, get Trump played off of

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<v Speaker 2>that handbook where he was absolutely saying, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>world's basically going to end if he is an elected president,

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<v Speaker 2>and we saw Kamala Harris take on a much more

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<v Speaker 2>positive It was a little at times was it felt

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<v Speaker 2>a little too cheerleader esque, but she did stay positive

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, and she was building, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a new vision. Let's not go back in time, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's been their campaign strategy. But tonight on the stage

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<v Speaker 2>it worked, you know, and I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>into policy we even got, or any real substantive answers

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<v Speaker 2>we got from any of the questions asked, So it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really about policy or substance, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>style and temperament, yes, and reaction and the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>pivot and to not get rattled that you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think sadly that's where we are in these debates. Almost

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<v Speaker 2>it's less about even learning anything and more about observing

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<v Speaker 2>and watching, and I guess that is an important part

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<v Speaker 2>of leading a country and being president and trying times

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have the right temperament.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. With what we saw in the debate and

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<v Speaker 1>the news alert that just came across. The election is

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<v Speaker 1>probably settled. Just came across as we are recording this,

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<v Speaker 1>that Taylor Swift has endorsed Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think that's a big surprise. This is

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<v Speaker 2>for anybody's done. She saying that, in fact, seeing Tonight's

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<v Speaker 2>debate is what has convinced her to weigh in publicly. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor Swift has two hundred and eighty plus million Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>followers and she just told all of them how she feels. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you could argue, right robes that maybe this will mobilize

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<v Speaker 2>and young folks will be engaged because Taylor Swift, but

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<v Speaker 2>you got another segment of the population that will be

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<v Speaker 2>also just as motivated to be anti anything that Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Swift does. The problem is, anytime any entertainer or actor

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<v Speaker 2>makes a statement, it usually ends up backfiring in said

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<v Speaker 2>entertainer's face. However, Taylor Swift is a completely different entity altogether,

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<v Speaker 2>so I will withhold judgment as to how she may

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<v Speaker 2>fare or the impact of her endorsement.

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<v Speaker 1>They go well to your point. Yes, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise there, but it's funny that just came across. But

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go back for you at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>We should have played some kind of a game as

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<v Speaker 1>we were watching tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And missed opportunity. Apparently there were bingo cards and drinking

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<v Speaker 2>games set out for so many There are a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of prop bets that were available, but the first one

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<v Speaker 1>would have been for me, will they shake hands? Yep, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>what do what would your answer have been? We know

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<v Speaker 1>what they did. They did shake hands, but well.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris walked straight over to uhpace former President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>She did. She was a yeah, she she went for it.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted I think to be on record obviously as

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<v Speaker 2>doing so, because I have to say, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I must have been just not paying attention. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not realize that those two had never physically met before ever,

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<v Speaker 2>which is remarkable and kind of hard to imagine. That's strange.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was the first time they ever met face

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<v Speaker 2>to face in person, and it was awkward and actually

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<v Speaker 2>she you know what this is when you could really

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<v Speaker 2>tell she was nervous. She she tried to say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what did she try to say?

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<v Speaker 1>She said Harris at first, right, and then she tried something.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice to meet you, but yeah, and then she just stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was like, oh, no, how's this going to go?

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<v Speaker 2>But that is a nerve wracking thing to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course at the end, he just walked off

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<v Speaker 2>the stage. There was no handshake, there was there was

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<v Speaker 2>no there was nothing. I don't think there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a second date.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how it started to your point, at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>we were also saying, like, somebody please get this this

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<v Speaker 1>lady a glass of water. She seemed nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, she had that dry mouth. We know what that's

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<v Speaker 2>like in broadcasting. I have been nervous many many times,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just need a glass of water. I think

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<v Speaker 2>of Marco Rubio as well. I feel for anyone like

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<v Speaker 2>you get nervous, immediate dry mouth, and so yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>kept My daughter was watching in an apartment nearby, my

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one year ol daughter, and I was like, get

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<v Speaker 2>that woman a glass of water. She needs some water.

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<v Speaker 1>We started out with the like, oh, she's nervous and

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to be off. And then they started out

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<v Speaker 1>with talk about the economy, and that's where Trump felt

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<v Speaker 1>strong at least, and he actually made a decent the

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<v Speaker 1>run spot run line he had about the economy, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was good, I'm gonna get you a I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get a maga hat like you all are riding my

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<v Speaker 1>coattails kind of a thing. He started out strong. It

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<v Speaker 1>kind of went downhill after the first ten fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, after that, but that was his strongly. I said, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he were about to have a fight night. And it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't develop after that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was a complete reversal. It wasn't about

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<v Speaker 2>face from what the first five minutes and then it Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it did not go well for the former president after that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know everyone was saying, and you know, his

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<v Speaker 2>advisors were telling him, do not take her bait, do

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<v Speaker 2>not take her bait. And he couldn't resist. He he

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<v Speaker 2>was very much trying to defend his position. But then

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<v Speaker 2>he would just take it into tangents where I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>what the original conversation or question or reaction was. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually forgot how we got there or how he brought

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<v Speaker 2>us to a place of no return. In many moments,

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<v Speaker 2>it was very confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh look about doad here. You remember what he called

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutors at in Georgia Fawnny, Yes, Fannie Willis.

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<v Speaker 2>That was that was a square on the being go Barr.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually not the mispronunciation of her name, but

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<v Speaker 2>just that he would bring her up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Central par I gotta text from a friend

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<v Speaker 1>who was watching a very keen political observer and she

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<v Speaker 1>just sent a funny text that I did not have

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<v Speaker 1>the Central Park five on my Bengal card tonight. That

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<v Speaker 1>there were things that just came out of like what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening at times and look and part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we need to address here and that

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<v Speaker 1>we would never dream of trying to be critical of

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<v Speaker 1>our friends and former colleagues, but they are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get some criticism that they already are getting for not

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<v Speaker 1>holding I guess Vice President Harris's feet to the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess it perpetuates his notion robes that folks

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<v Speaker 1>feel that the media is left leaning and a supportive

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<v Speaker 1>of Democratic candidates, and tonight didn't do a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>to help people who have that criticism that notion already.

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<v Speaker 2>There is already and we know this having been in

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<v Speaker 2>and being a part of those newsrooms. I've been in

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<v Speaker 2>network news for twenty plus years and certainly was aware

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<v Speaker 2>of the criticism. And I think many people behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>not just the two. Moderators are also very aware of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been a part of political interviews where you

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<v Speaker 2>do your due diligence to make sure. I always felt

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<v Speaker 2>like the measure of a good interview. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest one I probably had was Hunter Biden. And if

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<v Speaker 2>I had people on the left and the right both

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<v Speaker 2>angry at me, both thinking I didn't do my job right,

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<v Speaker 2>then I figured I did do my job right. That

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<v Speaker 2>was always the measure of success. But you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be hearing and we've already seen it three against one

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<v Speaker 2>that ABC News was there to promote and to lift

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<v Speaker 2>up and make and help make Kamala Harris look good.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's true I didn't see or hear tough questions.

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<v Speaker 2>The only tough one I heard was when Lindsay Davis

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<v Speaker 2>asked Kamala Harris about how she shifted positions dramatically, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think and then Kama said, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>through all of those and explain them, and then she

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<v Speaker 2>never did. That's when the moderator has to follow up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we always say it's not the initial question,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the follow up. And so that's where you're trained

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully prepared and prepped, and you have to hold

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<v Speaker 2>not yes if there's an outright lie. Of course, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that Lindsay did a great job fact checking

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump about something he said about abortions, which we

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<v Speaker 2>can get into. But you have to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>if someone doesn't answer the question, even if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have time to force them to, you try to get

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<v Speaker 2>them to acknowledge. Well, you never answer the question, just

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<v Speaker 2>at least have that button on it. So people listening remember,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, Yeah, they didn't answer that question. That

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the most important and maybe one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most important questions of the night, was about her Vice

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 1>President Harris changing her position on several items, including most

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<v Speaker 1>importantly fracking.

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Cracking was there in Pennsylvania, which is a huge issue there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really important. That was a really important question,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was asked but never answered, and when it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't answered, it an answer wasn't insisted upon by the moderator. Well,

0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.760
<v Speaker 1>that is that we have seen. We have seen both

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<v Speaker 1>of these folks prepare. We have been there with them

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<v Speaker 1>as they prepare for these the job. This is an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous and almost impossible job. But you you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>a stage this big, with the stakes this high, with

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<v Speaker 1>as heated as things are, you don't want people to

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to give anybody any more fuel to

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<v Speaker 1>criticize that you're leaning one way. And unfortunately this didn't help.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hate some of the heat that's going to come.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, they're good folks, and we know they're

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<v Speaker 1>good folks.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're solid journalists, and we both know them well

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<v Speaker 2>and know that their intention was to be fair and

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<v Speaker 2>to ask the tough questions. But that is a whole

0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of pressure, especially when you know, you saw the

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<v Speaker 2>impact of the last debate with President Biden former President Trump,

0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the impact that had, and then the pressure of doing

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<v Speaker 2>this on September tenth, just obviously and probably most likely

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<v Speaker 2>the one and only debate between these two. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous amount of pressure. I know Fox News is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get a second debate in October, but and I'm

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.159
<v Speaker 2>sure President Trump is probably very happy to oblige, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not after this. I don't know he had said

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<v Speaker 2>before he would.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but her campaign apparently has already come out now

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<v Speaker 1>kind of jokingly maybe, but say hey, let's do it

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<v Speaker 1>again in October. Okay, we'll see. Do they need to

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<v Speaker 1>does she need to? No, she hasn't done a press

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<v Speaker 1>commerce and she has not done a one on one

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<v Speaker 1>interview since she became the nominee. And she's doing just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that going to come back and bite.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she nailed it tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>So and but the right will say she nailed it

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<v Speaker 2>because the left leaning press allowed her to.

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<v Speaker 1>And you make a very good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And because she hasn't done Sorry, no, she hasn't done

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<v Speaker 2>that one on one interview where it's just been her

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<v Speaker 2>and someone who is going to hold her feet to

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<v Speaker 2>the fire, where there isn't, you know, another candidate to

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<v Speaker 2>deflect or to you know, try and put something on them,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead having to truly answer for your record. This

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody who's been in the White House for the

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<v Speaker 2>past four years and certainly was a senator before that attorneyship.

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<v Speaker 2>There's plenty to talk to her about where she stands

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<v Speaker 2>on things and how her positions have evolved over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was the she had a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>knockout lines. I thought one to your what you were

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<v Speaker 1>just saying there. She when she's said, quote, I am

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<v Speaker 1>not Joe Biden. Yes, I'm not Donald Trump. I bring

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<v Speaker 1>a new generation of leadership. She lumped those two guys

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<v Speaker 1>to yether. It was insulting in a certain way when

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<v Speaker 1>it was a nod, and it's like she she gave it.

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<v Speaker 1>She responded to a lot of groups, we're just tired

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing a bunch of old white men in office,

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<v Speaker 1>and she lumped them together. I'm not either one of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys. I'm something else. She almost says, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a Republican or a Democrat. I'm something else. That I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was a great line. She delivered that thing perfectly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it landed for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It did. It landed for me too. I wrote that down,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what, I didn't think about it in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of saying I'm not an old white man. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually but but that is she she did put that

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<v Speaker 2>in your brain without actually saying it, which was pretty

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>pretty brilliant on her part. And you know a couple

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:48.359
<v Speaker 2>of times she she started, she backed away from it.

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 2>But I think she talked about her being from a

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<v Speaker 2>middle class family a little bit too much for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't think any of us at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we want to hear someone who's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to answer a question authentically, I don't need That's great

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 2>when you were taking you had your an acceptance speech

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 2>at the Democratic National Convention, tell your story, that's great.

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>But I was happy to see she backed away from

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>that a little bit because that becomes it feels pandering,

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>It feels too prepared and too packaged in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>So and that's something that Trump's always, you know, been

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<v Speaker 2>good at. He just shoots from the hip, and you know,

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:26.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever he's saying, you know, it's not some carefully prepared

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that an advisor told him to say, because that's

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 2>not him. So at least what you see is what

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you get. And that's part of what people like about him,

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 2>that he is somebody who seems to be authentic. At

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<v Speaker 2>least he says what he feels in the moment, whether

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.399
<v Speaker 2>you like it or not, whether it's offensive or not,

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.199
<v Speaker 2>he says what he thinks. So, yes, she started to

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<v Speaker 2>go down that road, and I think got off it

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly.

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>But he was not sharp. He was not on message tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, something I think everybody's She started blowing up

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<v Speaker 1>when he made the comment having with she is allowing

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<v Speaker 1>or is in favor of transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. Yeah, now that sounds completely wild and far fetched,

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds completely like, where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 1>It does come from a place, and in fact, it

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 1>comes from a place of fact. He didn't deliver that

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>message well, so it sounded like a crazy thing. But

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>this is from a I think it was an ACLU

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>questionnaire she filled out when she was first running for president,

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and there was a question about care for non binary

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.919
<v Speaker 1>folks who are in the prison system, including illegal immigrants,

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and a part of that care could include anything having

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<v Speaker 1>to do with gender, having to do with transgender care

0:25:56.119 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and surgeries, and it was lumped in there. Her response was, yes,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it's based in fact, right, But the way he delivered

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 1>it out of nowhere, I'm not even sure what the

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>question he was asked. And then out of nowhere he

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>says something like that, which without context just sounds absolutely bonkers. Right,

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>And there's no evidence that anybody who's been held in

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the detention center is teaching any of these services. But

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>it was that kind of thing to where there's a

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of what he said, and he has like a

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of history and facts and numbers about the account

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>on his side, but the way he's delivering the message

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>sounds so erratic and wild and at times just confusing.

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and exactly, And he did the same thing in

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the abortion conversation that they had, because you know, he

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 2>started off describing and talking about how he wanted it

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 2>to be, you know, in the power of the states,

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>and that's clearly you know, in line with most Republicans.

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 2>They want the federal government to have less power, the

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>states to have the right to decide what's best for

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>their people and let them vote what they want. So

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>he was on the right track, but then he starts

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 2>talking about how Democrats want to execute and he used

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the word execute babies, referring to a late term abortion

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>or a partial birth abortion. And Lindsay Davis, this is

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 2>what I referred to earlier, nailed it when he finished it.

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>She just said to him, there is no state in

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 2>this country where it is legal to kill a baby

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>after it's born, which ended that. But it was just

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a statement where he just he took it too far.

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>And then even if you were with him or you know,

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>what he was saying was true and what he wanted

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 2>to do with Roe V. Wade and what he was

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>able to accomplish, but then takes it to a point

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>where it's just it becomes I hate to say ridiculous

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to a stern statement like that, but

0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:01.239
<v Speaker 2>it was just false. And Lindsay Davis rightfully corrected him

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>on that.

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And again that was I don't know how he I

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know what happens now, I don't. I don't think

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 1>the reaction we've seen so far is similar to what

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>we saw from after President Biden's performance at that debate.

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 1>We haven't seen that necessarily to that that for alarm

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>type situation for Republicans. But it was a bad night.

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It was a really really bad night. And they're not

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>going to get a lot of opportunities to go after

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Vice President Harris on this type of scale, with this

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>type of viewership. They just aren't. She has proven with

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 1>her speech, with the interview with CNN with her running mate,

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and now on stage with Donald Trump that she's up

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>to the task.

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Now what, Yeah, I don't know. And then do do

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 2>we see do we see how does Trump do damage

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 2>control tomorrow? I mean, what what do we what do

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 2>we see or do we anticipate? It's hard to know.

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I also do want to point out that something else

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 2>that Kamala Harris was also perpetuating that she wasn't called on.

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Donald Trump called her on it, but she

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>kept bringing out Project twenty twenty five, and I think

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>we have to She knows good and well as to

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.959
<v Speaker 2>the Democrats, and President Trump has said it over and

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>over again that he had nothing to do with the document.

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 2>In fact, tonight he said he'd never even fully read

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>the document, and yet they constantly, in a fear mongering way,

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>pin that on him and make people very concerned about

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>what could happen if he's elected president and constantly bring

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>up Project twenty twenty five even though they know that's

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>not true. And I didn't hear. I didn't hear the

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>moderators reiterate that or call her on it, or say

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>that is in fact not true. He defended himself, yes,

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>but I did not hear the moderator or.

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Was she brought it up at least twice that question.

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I heard it twice as well, And that was something

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to point out too, because they did not

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>call her on that, and that was outright false.

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>All in all, we had anticipated this moment for the

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>past couple of weeks. We've been planning our time around it.

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>What did you think?

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>You know? What it was? I was thinking about it,

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>even from someone who lives somewhere else, who doesn't live

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>in this country, and it was kind of embarrassing because

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>it just it just felt I mean, it could have

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>been worse. I'll say that much. It could have been worse.

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I was happy to see there wasn't as much name

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>calling or there was There wasn't the petty and maybe

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>that's because of the mic situation that they weren't allowed

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>to interrupt and so they were allowed to cool down

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 2>a little bit before they decided to speak. So I

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>was at least that was It could have been worse.

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>And I guess that's sad to say that that's where

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the bar is for me, But I just I think

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people saw the temperaments of these two

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and I think that can help in making a decision policy.

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I got anywhere with either one of them.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I learned anything new, and in fact,

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>if anything, I was more confused, which is not the

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>point or purpose of these things. And they've become theater,

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and they've maybe they've always been theater, but that theater

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>was on full display, and I too wanted it to end.

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>It just felt icky at times, and it just felt

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 2>like bizarre in a lot of moments. And I didn't

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>walk away feeling good about our political process, but I

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>haven't in a long time.

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>That is a good way to put it. At some point, yes,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 1>we talked about who the two people are, the history

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that's there, but at points I feel like I'm hearing

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>the same old speeches. I'm hearing the same old lines,

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing the same old stuff. I'm hearing nothing new.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I see different people, but I'm not hearing a lot

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that's necessarily new. I know we have history on one

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>side of the ticket that a lot of people are

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>excited about, and then a lot of people excited about

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe turning the page, a lot of people citing it,

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe about going back to what they feel were better

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>times at economic times with Trump, I.

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, did you even hear anything about the economy

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>that much like taxes?

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>It was the first ten minutes when he was doing well, and.

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shifted, but like you know, the truth is, it's

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 2>the economy stupid. That's always what people say. That's traditionally

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.239
<v Speaker 2>why people they vote with their wallets. In a lot

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>of ways, you might have a social issue that you're

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>impassioned about. But oh my god, wait, I forgot this.

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 2>When one of the last questions was about climate change,

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>neither one of them talked about climate change or it

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>was I was confused. I forgot we were talking about

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>climate change because it turned into Ukraine. I believe at

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>one point.

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't it feel didn't it feel like it was a

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>throwaway question we have to ask about climate change?

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>It?

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we run out of time. We got to get

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>this in just to say we're on the record with it.

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is how it felt, and that's exactly how

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the candidates treated it as well. You know, it's it

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>is just this. It's just you know, it's it's I heard,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>as I have in so many other debates and all

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the campaign commercials that most of us are subjected to

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 2>these days. But it's all about if this other person's elected,

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>your life is going to be in hell. And that

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>is basically that's what we heard tonight. Is what we

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>hear every time, and it's why we all become so

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I think we just even disassociate from it because it

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 2>just is. It's bs and we all know it. We're

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>all smarter than we're treated. I think in these moments,

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I think we're treated as I don't know, easily manipulated

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>when I if you, if you go and look on

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the internet, no one's buying it. So I don't know

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>how we choose who we vote for these days, because

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 2>it's it is a minefield. But if you vote for

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 2>the other candidate, you're gonna step on a land mine.

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, that's where we are, well, Venezuela on steroids,

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 2>this is where we're headed. Then I did just pop

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>back in my head. We're Venezuela on steroids. Oh it's tough.

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, you know, And I want to say

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>in defense one more time of Lindsay and David and

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>even of ABC News. Hey, you and I spent a

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>long time a networks and I think I speak for you.

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Correct me if I'm wrong. But there's never been a

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>single meeting I have ever been in, or a single

0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>boss that's ever had a conversation with me about doing

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>something favoring one side or another when it comes to politics,

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to favor democrats, to lean left has never ever occurred.

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 1>So people always think there's a concerted effort. And now,

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, there are a lot of folks

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>in the building, and I have been in meetings where

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I got twenty people in there and seventeen of them

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 1>think the same way. And maybe you have to get

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>them out of that sometimes liberal thinking. But they're not

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 1>doing that intentionally. But there is not a concerted robes

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 1>And if you've seen it, please let me know. A

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>concerted effort by networks or media companies at least I've

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>been associated with that are trying intentionally and a concerted

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.240
<v Speaker 1>effort to shift a narrative.

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Now, that is absolutely true. And I've always said that

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I've never felt pressured or even nudged or a suggestion

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>even made that I don't ask a question or I

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 2>go live or on someone because of their political affiliation.

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>That's never happened. And in fact, I feel like there

0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 2>was almost even a pressure to do the opposite, to

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 2>make sure we are aware of any potential bias and

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and and make sure we go in the other direction.

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 2>And I'll you know, I've always appreciated this too, just

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 2>with my upbringing, and I can speak for myself that

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>knowing and loving people who have different political beliefs than myself.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Has always helped guide me. And I've always leaned on

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>those folks in my life who I love and respect

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to know, Hey, is this a fair question? Is this

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>taking it too far? Is this not going far enough?

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of us journalists absolutely do

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>what we can to make sure that we try to

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 2>be as fair as possible. And and that goes without saying.

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I know David, I know Lindsay, and I know both

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 2>of them hold those same standards for themselves and each

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and every day. I mean, David and I have had

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>conversations about it, so I know that they prepared and

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 2>did their best. And anytime you're put in that position,

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>in that big of a seat, in that where the

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 2>stakes are as high as they are, you're always going

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>to get criticism always, and it just comes with a job.

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's part of that's part of what we do.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's not easy. It's not easy when the world's watching.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>If those two were on the podcast for debate, won't

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>be your first question to.

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Him, Oh, that's a good question. My first question.

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.280
<v Speaker 1>To the two of them sitting in an intimate studio

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>doing a podcast, not in that, not in that environment.

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 1>But but to be able to sit across the table

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 1>from them, I think that studio with them sitting next

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to each other.

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I would ask them, you know, assuming have

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>you watched the debate back, what's the question you wish

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 2>you had asked that you didn't? What would you ask them?

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Wait? What's two people you're talking about? I'm talking about

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the candidates?

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I thought you're talking about David and Lindsay. We're

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>talking to them about Carol.

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>We can text them right now and ask them a

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>couple of questions. You damn about those two.

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh? As I thought you were asking me like journalists

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<v Speaker 2>to journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>As everybody know that it was really late as we

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>were going there, so we're a little off. Yeah, the

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>candidates Trump and Kamala Harris our guest. We're doing the

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<v Speaker 1>debate on our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You're asking me to do that without any prep or

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<v Speaker 2>any first question. First question, I mean, the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>that pops in my head would be, you know, tell

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>me why I should vote for you. But that's so generic.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you're asked. You're putting me on the spot

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I would want to do a lot of prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have your first question to both of them, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had.

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<v Speaker 1>A long time to think about it now, because go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I would ask both of them, would

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<v Speaker 1>you two be willing to go to dinner tonight together?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do you think they'd say?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and you don't either. Right, that's a

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>good question, but no, I say it because we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about them shaking hands. We were wondered if they would

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<v Speaker 1>even shake hands. I want two candidates on stage or

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<v Speaker 1>three or whatever that will step out there, hug each other,

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>look at each other and that, ah, how is your

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<v Speaker 1>family doing? Now, let's go out here and argue about

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 1>some shit and then we're still good people. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I hate, hate that all of our political candidates, I

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<v Speaker 1>could never imagine them just standing around being cordial to

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<v Speaker 1>each other, being nice to each other, like everybody hates

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>each other. If those two could sit down and have

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<v Speaker 1>a dinner, just talk nobody, no cameras around, no aids,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all just go sit in chat. Not to work anything out.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to know that we got decent people

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<v Speaker 1>who can be decent to each other. And I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>to decide between those two folks.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think if the cameras weren't rolling, I think

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 2>they would and could because I think that's this is

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<v Speaker 2>how unfortunately, elections are won and lost in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's by who can scare the you know, their

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<v Speaker 2>base into voting against the other person more versus here's

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 2>why you should vote for me, And that's just where

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<v Speaker 2>we are. And so because you have to operate in

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that way, and if you don't, you lose. Then in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of public appearances, you have to put up a

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<v Speaker 2>fight and you have to make it look that us

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 2>versus them mentality is what works unfortunately. But yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>the cameras were gone, I think they probably would have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in common. They know what it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the situations they're in and all this bullshit

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>and all these games they have to play. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you see, think about it all the former presidents.

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<v Speaker 2>Once they've done their service, it doesn't matter how politically

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<v Speaker 2>opposed they were, or how different their policies or their

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 2>beliefs may be. They all have this shared experience and

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<v Speaker 2>they have this friendship. Don't you love seeing Clinton hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with the Bushes, hanging out with the Obamas. It

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>gives you hope, like, oh, maybe they didn't all actually

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 2>hate each other. We didn't, and it was political theater

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what sucks and now it.

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<v Speaker 1>Never if we were doing a debate on national television,

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<v Speaker 1>I would never lead with that question. But sitting in

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>a studio in a in an intimate space like we

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>have in the podcast world, I see them as human

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<v Speaker 1>beings versus two.

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<v Speaker 2>You could ask each of them to say three nice

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>things about the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, how about that? Oh wow, Okay, you play

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<v Speaker 1>the role of Trump.

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know, like and you can't do some you

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<v Speaker 2>know little. You actually have to say three genuine things

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<v Speaker 2>that you believe that are kind and good about the

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<v Speaker 2>other person.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Everybody out there, challenge yourself to do

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that about the candidate that you're not supporting. Think of

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 1>three things you can say nice about that candidate that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not supporting. Just curious how that would go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your homework for the day, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, folks, who appreciate you as always Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Here you know where to find us official show page,

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<v Speaker 1>that Amy and TJ podcast. We'll talk to yall sooner.