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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast has no takeaways. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a room

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Speaker 1: filled with some heroes. Chris Westling to my left, Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal on my right. What is up? Boys? Don't sound

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Speaker 1: disappointed for some heroes, because we're gonna make up for

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's loss and he's going to enjoy his vacation.

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Speaker 1: Mark is not a vacation. By the way, I apologize

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Speaker 1: if I sent a little congested. My young son has

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Speaker 1: has caused me to fall ill. It's head cold. Um.

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Speaker 1: But Mark is on a staycation, and you know when

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Speaker 1: Mark's on a staycation, all bets are off. Who knows

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Speaker 1: what he's doing? And I have By the way, I've

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Speaker 1: gotten a couple of tweets about Mark while we're on

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Speaker 1: the topic that, um, people are intrigued would be one

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Speaker 1: word to use by his Instagram feed This from at

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Speaker 1: Heath O eight two. What the hell is going on

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Speaker 1: in mark Instagram? Please discuss on the next pot. You

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Speaker 1: guys are great well. First of all, thanks Heath, but

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Speaker 1: I would say in my and west and Greg, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how close you follow Mark on Instagram. I

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Speaker 1: would say that it's kind of a look into the

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Speaker 1: id of Mark Sessler, a little peek behind the curtain.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been following Instagram closely at all, so uh

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Speaker 1: it surprises me that people are, you know, have all

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Speaker 1: all these strong takes on Mark's Instagram. I would just

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Speaker 1: say Mark is a man of many talents, and the

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Speaker 1: Instagram account is showing off some of that photography talent

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Speaker 1: that he's got cooking right, and I think the allusion

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Speaker 1: to like what the hell is going on? There's sometimes

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Speaker 1: there's pictures of like dolls from the eighteen hundreds, or

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Speaker 1: just a dewey meadow or a street in downtown l A.

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Speaker 1: It's all over the map. There's a purpose behind what

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Speaker 1: he postsled I'm sure there is. It's not for them

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Speaker 1: to know, and he keeps it mysterious on purpose. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we do not keep it mysterious when it comes to, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about what's going to happen on today's show.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay it all out for you here, Hey

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Speaker 1: like that TV behind the glass, Thank you, buddy boy. Um.

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Speaker 1: We are going to get into some news and we

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Speaker 1: have some fairly big stuff to get to about major

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Speaker 1: change in the rules and uh, the flate gate. I

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Speaker 1: would say it's something that it's starting to wind down,

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Speaker 1: but it's just the next chapter really ultimately, but after

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Speaker 1: we get through the news, it's something that a tease

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Speaker 1: for a bit. Now when we decided downstairs this morning

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Speaker 1: that this is the day to do it the Dalton

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Speaker 1: Scale around the NFL special, We're gonna really dig in

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Speaker 1: on the Dalton Scale and really, you know, get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of it and maybe personally speaking, get some

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Speaker 1: clarity on you know, what the hell it is. I

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be too confident about that. Three years in

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Speaker 1: Hansas is just still trying to figure out Queerced Wesseling's

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Speaker 1: amazing dissection, beautiful in its simplicity, like the best scientific formulas.

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Speaker 1: It was it decides whether you have a franchise quarterback

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Speaker 1: or not. The Dalton scale is under in an existential crisis,

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Speaker 1: so perfect time to get into it. So yes that

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Speaker 1: that will be the rest of the show, will you know,

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Speaker 1: getting you know, set us on a nice chunk of

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Speaker 1: time to really dig in on the Dalton scale and

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Speaker 1: where all of the starters in the NFL fit in. Uh,

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Speaker 1: whether it's franchise quarterback or whether you are a stiff

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Speaker 1: um TV behind the glass? How are you? Formally? Now,

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Speaker 1: I will say, how are you about? What's going on? Guys?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Had a good as cy bow for

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Speaker 1: lunch today? What a cybow? You guys? Will you guys

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Speaker 1: will get down with the whole aside. Why are you

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Speaker 1: telling that? Even the right way to pronounce it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a super fruit sup of food. Why are you

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Speaker 1: telling us this? Guys? That's what I did. You know

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Speaker 1: this was your one chance to get in Mark's good

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Speaker 1: graces by talking about a fruit based lunch, and you

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Speaker 1: let it go by the board. Maybe that was on purpose.

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Speaker 1: I'm just hypnotized by Mark's Instagram right now. Let's this

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Speaker 1: news podcasts are great radios boring, you know, I love

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Speaker 1: disease or I like him. I should say, but we've

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Speaker 1: shouldn't know the finale was this past I'm just saying it.

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Speaker 1: have you prestige televisions two days? It is two days?

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Speaker 1: I watched the first two of the season this past Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Spoiler people are creeps. Money rules the world? And uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: don Draper getting assassinated. It's not something you would have

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Speaker 1: the latest in in deflate Gate. Robert Kraft, speaking at

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Speaker 1: the Spring League meeting on Tuesday, called off the dogs.

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Speaker 1: He told he told a group of reporters in a

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Speaker 1: six minute um speech or not speech, but six minute address, that, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots will not appeal the discipline. Uh connected to

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Speaker 1: the investigation of the use of underinflated balls in the

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Speaker 1: a f C title game, So that one million dollar

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Speaker 1: fine and the loss of a loss of a first

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Speaker 1: round pick in two thousand sixteen, in a fourth round

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Speaker 1: That's what it is, um and Kraft went on to

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Speaker 1: explain the reason why is that, Uh, you know, there

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Speaker 1: should be no no reason why one should be put

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Speaker 1: even though he disagrees with the discipline and the judgment,

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Speaker 1: he feels like this has been dragged out way too

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Speaker 1: the Patriots are done now. Minutes after Craft gets off

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Speaker 1: the stage, you ask, oh, what about Tom Brady? The

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Speaker 1: that four game suspension. So the Patriots take their punishment,

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Speaker 1: Brady continues his fight. I think it was an easy

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Speaker 1: just maybe this helps their chances of having Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: and ultimately that's what they care about more. They didn't

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Speaker 1: the first place. That knocked everybody on their asses, but um,

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Speaker 1: oh sorry, they're buttoxes. Do no need to market but glutes.

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Speaker 1: Glutes knocked them on our glutes. We didn't realize what

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Speaker 1: All right, Kraft does the NFL solid says, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna take this to the courts and all that um stuff,

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Speaker 1: And now all you need to do, Rock is, you know,

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Speaker 1: move forward. That's how I see playing out West. Do

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Speaker 1: you see an olpel branch coming from the Commissioner's office

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Speaker 1: You think that actually a guy might fight for principle

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Speaker 1: that the rhetoric, rhetoric was just so far outpacing what

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Speaker 1: great movie. He really played this great. It's like everyone

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Speaker 1: looks bad here. He knows it. The Wells Context Report

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Speaker 1: Goodell to recuse himself one of my favorite words in

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Speaker 1: and then he slashes Brady's suspension. That's the prediction of

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Speaker 1: in the union capitulated to that one. I do want

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Speaker 1: two thousand eleven season. It was headed in a pretty

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why writers really care whether the union

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Speaker 1: they really lost because they only got fifty nine point

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Speaker 1: five of the total money instead of eight. It's like

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Speaker 1: I'm always rooting for football, right, I don't care about

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Speaker 1: which is why I'm happy with with everything that happened

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Speaker 1: end up regretting this deal one day. I think guy

429
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Speaker 1: has all the ingredients to be an elite player. No,

430
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Speaker 1: your job, mr, Agent, is to get the deal that

431
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Speaker 1: takes advantage of those prime years. Or he's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be that good. You did a bad job. What's the

433
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Speaker 1: agent saying? I think that dies? Do you think? Ryan Tannehill?

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Speaker 1: I know this is you know, talk about speculative. If

435
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Speaker 1: you had to wage your you know your life on it.

436
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Speaker 1: Would you pick Ryan Tannehill as a member of the

437
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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins in twenty No, I'm not comfortable waging my life. Well,

438
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Speaker 1: you don't have a choice these things. I keep going

439
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was a terrible decision lock

440
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Speaker 1: him up, but I maybe would. Ultimately, I might have

441
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Speaker 1: went the Ravens route with Joe Flacker. I know it

442
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: blew up in their face, but you know, boo who

443
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Speaker 1: you want a super Bowl title? Should have kind of

444
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Speaker 1: waited it out and given him another year. See where

445
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Speaker 1: this career is truly progressive. But they decided to just

446
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Speaker 1: go and call in and pay, and at least they

447
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Speaker 1: didn't break the bank. I guess that is the positive.

448
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Speaker 1: When happened last time, Mr t did this well, one

449
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: of the worst, most indefensible signings in NFL. There's more

450
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Speaker 1: to that. Not not defensible in anyway, but there. It

451
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: wasn't quite the same The Peyton Manning sweepstakes somehow bled

452
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Speaker 1: into the Sanchez associations. It was an apology. Yeah, I

453
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: never understood how Mark Sanchez deserves an apology. It was

454
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Speaker 1: it was the beginning of the end uh in so

455
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Speaker 1: many ways for a lot of the guys with the jets.

456
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Speaker 1: But uh, I did you brought up Tannenbaum not on

457
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Speaker 1: the on the dais uh for the press conference that

458
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Speaker 1: we got to enjoy And I'll say enjoy, uh, you know,

459
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Speaker 1: take that with a grain of salt. With h Dennis Hickey, Yeah,

460
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Speaker 1: the hickster we like to call him. Of course, Tannehill

461
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Speaker 1: dead center complete literally like maybe raises his voice about

462
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Speaker 1: at the same level Ivan Drago. There's not much going

463
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Speaker 1: on there. And then to his right, Joey Fildman, the

464
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Speaker 1: coach gets a seat. Remember the Sioux UH signing introductory signing.

465
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Speaker 1: He wasn't even on the days they were sitting with

466
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Speaker 1: the journals a couple of pressures in a row where

467
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Speaker 1: he wasn't even on the days. So this time there

468
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Speaker 1: was no Mr t After seeing him today, I can

469
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Speaker 1: see why they leave him out in the cred It was.

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Speaker 1: It was the It was the most charisma free press

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Speaker 1: conference I ever seen. I tweeted, I did a power

472
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Speaker 1: rankings of the charisma from the press comments. I got

473
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Speaker 1: Tannehill at one, but that was really by default, just

474
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Speaker 1: because he's a young, handsome man with a lot of

475
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Speaker 1: money and a and a and a gorgeous white feel

476
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Speaker 1: the Staples short or whatever. Number two tape recorder number

477
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Speaker 1: two is my number two because it was white, so

478
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Speaker 1: it had a little h you know, heat to it

479
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Speaker 1: is a little different than the other ones. Three. Hickey

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Speaker 1: Hickster gets third, the Dolphins logo back backdrop that was

481
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Speaker 1: behind them. Fourth. Then they had three mikes for each

482
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Speaker 1: of the guys. That's a three way tie. Five, six, seven,

483
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Speaker 1: and then Joey Fibbs. Well, it's a sad scene because

484
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: Tannehill makes Eli Manning looks like Chris Rock. I mean,

485
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: it was not an exciting guy, that wasn't it. The

486
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Speaker 1: two thousand four Titans have more charisma than that entire list.

487
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Speaker 1: It is amazing. There's no way Joe Philman is there

488
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Speaker 1: next year. That was the other thing I couldn't get

489
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Speaker 1: out of him. Two things I couldn't get out of

490
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Speaker 1: mind about this contract. Number one, Joe Philman almost benched Tannehill.

491
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Speaker 1: Philipman Philbin Oh, yeah, Philippin, I thought you were saying,

492
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Speaker 1: Philip Joey Phipps. Joey Phipps almost bench Tannehill. And then

493
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Speaker 1: Tannehill called the press conference and announced he was the starter.

494
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Speaker 1: Took it out of hips and give him seventy seven

495
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Speaker 1: million of a four years and then you know to

496
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Speaker 1: me that that really jumps out to me, is you

497
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Speaker 1: know what's going on with this organization. It is interesting that,

498
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Speaker 1: like you mentioned so recently, he was on the edge

499
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Speaker 1: of whether he's going to keep that job. He's really

500
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Speaker 1: tied to Bill Laser because his production went up so

501
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Speaker 1: dramatically with this new system, and you weren't sure if

502
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Speaker 1: it was all Tannehill or was it the system, And

503
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Speaker 1: so they need to be wary of the fact if

504
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Speaker 1: you fired Joe Philbin, you're probably firing Bill Laser and

505
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Speaker 1: then Tannehill starting over. That's a problem. I thought about

506
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Speaker 1: this because I've been talking about Tannehill. A large percentage

507
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Speaker 1: of his progress was due to this gimmick offense. The

508
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Speaker 1: Dolphins ran no huddle I believe eight two percent of

509
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Speaker 1: their plays last year, but the league average is over

510
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Speaker 1: six now. So no matter where Tannehill go is, he's

511
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Speaker 1: going to be in an offensive suits him better than

512
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Speaker 1: it would have five or six years ago. Now, one

513
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: last thing is, you know, I'm surprised he gets the

514
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: contract before Andrew Luck, before Russell Wilson. But when I

515
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Speaker 1: watched him during his rookie year. One of my favorite

516
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Speaker 1: things I got to do on the site was watched

517
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Speaker 1: each one of the rookies every snap. I mean, he

518
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Speaker 1: has every raw skill that you could want, and he

519
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: has improved every year. He does not have a good

520
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Speaker 1: deep ball at all. But if we're gonna give Chip

521
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Speaker 1: Kelly so much love for kind of creating an offense,

522
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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Laser and Tannehill together they could be

523
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Speaker 1: a good thing. Imagine Ryan Tannehill and Chip Kelly's offense.

524
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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't need right now. He's wildly athletic, he's

525
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Speaker 1: pretty smart, he's pretty accurate. I mean, you've got a

526
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Speaker 1: lot of good things going. The other way to look

527
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Speaker 1: at that is he didn't even have as good of

528
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Speaker 1: a year as Nick Foles did two years ago, and

529
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles has already washed out of Philadelphia. How much

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Speaker 1: credit do you give to Tannehill versus the offense is

531
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Speaker 1: so quartered, more more talent, and more upside because he

532
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Speaker 1: hasn't played quarterback talent, but he can't go down the

533
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Speaker 1: field whatsoever. I found it telling, even in the highlights

534
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Speaker 1: when they're doing the press conference, everything seemed thinking dunk

535
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Speaker 1: with tannihel it is and it's a totally new team too,

536
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Speaker 1: which is a lot of pressure on him because his

537
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Speaker 1: three of his top four options are new players now,

538
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: so you gotta mix them now. You know, we talked

539
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Speaker 1: about Ryan Tannill. That's what's happening with the news, by

540
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Speaker 1: the way, we talked about Ryan Tannehill and uh and

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Speaker 1: you know, he's an interesting case because heat heat to

542
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: me and I think, um, I think we might all

543
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Speaker 1: be an agreement. He is definitely in that discussion about

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Speaker 1: the Dalton scale. And let's talk a little bit at

545
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Speaker 1: first about the the origins of the Dalton scale. Uh.

546
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Speaker 1: Chris Westlingh initially brought this up in the podcast a

547
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: couple of years ago that he believed that, uh Andy

548
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: Dalton was I guess what you would call the prime

549
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: meridian of NFL qbs. And if you were ahead of

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, well, how about this, West Do you have

551
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: maybe a glossary explanation, because you know, famously I don't

552
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: quite grasp this at all. So I'm hoping by the

553
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: end of today's podcast it will be in my brain

554
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: a complete understanding of the Dalton scale. I don't I

555
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't hold your breath. Is that a shot at my intelligence? No?

556
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: I used to be, but not anymore. Okay, that's fine,

557
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: that's fine. How about a glassary explanation or glassary term?

558
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: What is the Dalton scale? Andy Dalton stands as the

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Speaker 1: prime ridian of NFL quarterbacks. Sorry I stepped on your

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: primary new look. Any quarterback ranked above Dalton is a

561
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: viable franchise player. Any quarterback below Dalton is a problem,

562
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: not a solution. Dalton himself is quarterback purgatory personified very good. Basically,

563
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: to me, it always came down to the question, do

564
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: you have a do you need to get a new quarterback?

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes, then he's below the Dalton scale.

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Speaker 1: If if it's a. But if the answer is no,

567
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: then then you're okay. And if it's Andy Dalton, you

568
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: just you do. You're crazy, keep on going to the

569
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Speaker 1: playoffs and losing on Saturday. All right, So, before before

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00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: we get into we're gonna figure at some of these

571
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that exist, we're gonna put our focus on the

572
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that exist in that Dalton scale zone right where

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00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: around where Dalton is and what what side of the

574
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: line they've fallen. So before we get going we're gonna

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Speaker 1: throw out ten names, uh that aren't even in the discussion,

576
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: because we're all in agreement, are obvious franchise solutions at

577
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: this stage and are not in this discussion. So in

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Speaker 1: alphabetical order. I don't want anyone to think of This

579
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: is not a countdown or power rankings of the best quarterbacks. Okay,

580
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: although I like Europe getting involved, and I mean our

581
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: podcast listeners in Europe, and also the eighties rock band,

582
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: but Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers,

583
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Those ten quarterbacks we have all agreed are above the

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Speaker 1: the Dalton scale, and I know that the goose bumps

586
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: all across the nation. With these quarterbacks, we will not

587
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Speaker 1: be any much closer my list to Andy Dalton, and

588
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: he is I guess on either of yours. Okay, fair enough, Um,

589
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: we can get into that now. On the other side

590
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: of the discussion, some quarterbacks and this one, you guys,

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Speaker 1: stop me if I'm out of bounds. Let's okay, let's

592
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: define our parameters here. First, we're talking about going forward

593
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Speaker 1: with your franchise, not just for the two thousand and

594
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Speaker 1: fifteen season, but going forward. Who do you want as

595
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: your quarterback? Okay, stop me. If any of these guys

596
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Speaker 1: you're like, well, I might want him part of my franchise.

597
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: Matt Castle, e j Manuel, Gino Smith hard pause for

598
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Speaker 1: Greg to defend him. Now, I think Gina Smith has

599
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Speaker 1: the potential to someday be above uh the Dalton on

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Speaker 1: the Dalton scale, but he's definitely not right. Would have

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Speaker 1: to Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Johnny Manziel, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer,

602
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Speaker 1: Ryan Linley, Uh, all those other guys, Blake Bortles I

603
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Speaker 1: put there unless somebody wants to put Linley low the

604
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: blame Gabbard scale. Uh, Blake Bortles, bords I have way

605
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Speaker 1: above Dalton. Really WHOA All right, well, let me let

606
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: me take him off this little the sad list. But again,

607
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: this is where the existential crisis comes in for the

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Speaker 1: Dalton scale. I feel like there has to be an

609
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: offseason scale, in an in season scale. When this started,

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Speaker 1: any Dalton was a competitive advantage making two million dollars

611
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: a year. Now he's a competitive disadvantage making million year

612
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: don't worry about the contract. It's but team you have

613
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: to worry about the contract. But either way, he's your

614
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback that's not getting in the way enough

615
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: of a ten, ten and sixth season. He's basically kind

616
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Speaker 1: of keeping them afloat moving forward. At this point, are

617
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Speaker 1: you confident Blake Bordos will ever be a better than

618
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: average starter? I like Bordles a lot, but I don't

619
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Speaker 1: even know for sure. That's why I'm changing this. There's

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Speaker 1: an existential crisis because Blake Bortles isn't a franchise quarterback.

621
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Speaker 1: But at this point, I know what Andy Dalton is

622
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Speaker 1: and I don't want that. I don't want ten and

623
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Speaker 1: six in the first round playoff exit. I'll take my

624
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: chances with whether I saw from Blake Blake Bortles in

625
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: the preseason last year, when he showed difference making potential.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's more about right now, though, isn't it.

627
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: It's whether right now they're above or But I thought

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Speaker 1: we said it was who's going to be your quarterback

629
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Speaker 1: for your franchise going forward? Okay, Just that's why it's

630
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: a different discussion in May than it is in October.

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Speaker 1: Just throw some phillups of this fire. On the earlier

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Speaker 1: DDF T show Today, Damage Like said that a lot

633
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Speaker 1: of g ms would take Andy Dalton over James Winson

634
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Speaker 1: because Andy Dalton safer. I told him, no chance. Did

635
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Speaker 1: you see the package that the bucks in the title?

636
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: I agree with um okay, yeah, and maybe that famously.

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Speaker 1: I struggle famously, Greg. I struggle with the Dalton because

638
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Speaker 1: I've always wondered as as he seems to fade in

639
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: the collect or, at least in this room's view of

640
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: what kind of quarterback he is? What kind of upside

641
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't that make more guys in front of him? And

642
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: then all those guys are answers? Is he's still the

643
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: primary idiot? If he starts to regret, I don't think

644
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: I I disagree, because just because he's entrenched in his

645
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton nous, that's what he was all along. He's

646
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: always been. He's there's a lot better quarterbacks now than

647
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: the World Cup. He's always been that middle of the

648
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: pack guy. I've done the Quarterback Index or whatever where

649
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: I ranked the quarterbacks at the end of the year.

650
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: In two thousand thirteen, he was eighteen. Last year he

651
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: was nineteenth. For what it's worth, which to me feels

652
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: about right. And and so the guys that have proven

653
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: and I'll throw one name out here which we could

654
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: talk about, Teddy Bridgewater. To me, he's already above the

655
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Dalton scale, but he would be the only one of

656
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: last year's rookies that I would put above there now

657
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: that I would be surprised at this point if he

658
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: does not evolve into a better than average starting quarterback.

659
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I think you and I are looking at this exercise differently.

660
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: We need to come to an agreement, and we better

661
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: do it because because I threw it out there, we're

662
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: talking about who do you want for your franchise going forward.

663
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: It's seems like you're talking about only for the two

664
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen I'm talking about basically what they what they've done.

665
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: But I hear you, I would rather have Boarders than Dalton.

666
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: You'd rather take the risk that portals become something rather

667
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: than knowing what you have with Andy Dalton. That's fair.

668
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Can I explain to people what Andy Dalton is? Right,

669
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Let's talk about where Andy Alton is in fourteen prime

670
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: time and playoff games. Andy Dalton is the same amount

671
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: of starts as EJ. Manuel has in his career. Andy

672
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: Dalt would have to have three lights out games to

673
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: reach EJ. Manuel's one loss record, completion percentage, touchdown to

674
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: interception ratio, and passer rating in those games. That's how

675
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: bad Andy Dalton has been in games that matter. He's

676
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: a flat track bully, is what cricket players would call

677
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: a guy who feasts on inferior competition. His record thirty

678
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: sixteen and one and all other games besides games basically

679
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: when the when the lights are on him. So to me,

680
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: that's not what I want in a quarterback. Okay, So

681
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: he's guy that puts up solid numbers, he gets his

682
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: or he's on playoff teams. He's already always fall flat

683
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Not always his fault this past January.

684
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hang that uh first round playoff whoss

685
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: on Dalton, but certainly he wasn't good enough to raise

686
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: the team above the issues they were dealing with. Let's

687
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: let's stick with Bortles for one more second, because I

688
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: disagree where Greg You're coming from on that. To me,

689
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: if we're talking about the Dalton scale, you gotta earn

690
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: your way on the other side of that Dalton scale.

691
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: And I didn't think Bortles did anything uh last year

692
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: to show me that he's a guy. And we're again

693
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: we're going off West's glossary of terms here that uh,

694
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: he is on the other side of the primarndy And

695
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: what was the exact wording West? You had any quarterback

696
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: ranked above Dalton is a viable franchise player, and we

697
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: don't know below Dalton is a problem. We don't know

698
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: is a viable franchise I don't like the definition anymore

699
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: because I'm definitely taking here and would be surprised if

700
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: anybody's not taking Bortles over Dalton. Portals to me show

701
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: it enough, just in terms of his traits and if

702
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: you looked at the situation around him, if you put

703
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton on that Jaguars team, maybe he would have

704
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: been a little better as a rookie. But Bordles showed

705
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: the types of things that you like to see out

706
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: of a young quarterback that you think he can be

707
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: a lot better. And Dalton, on the other hand, even

708
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: though he had that year in two thousand thirteen, people

709
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: think of he was so great. He had yards, thirty

710
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: three touchdowns s his QBR in his first four seasons

711
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: are unbelievably similar forty ninety nine fifty five, so he's

712
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: basically been the same guy all four years. Let me

713
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: explain this in a more simpler way. If your choice

714
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: is between Blake Bortles and Andy Dalton, Bordles carries no

715
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: risk whatsoever because if he flames out, you're not left

716
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton, overpaid at fifteen million dollars a year

717
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: and stuck in mediocrity. You know that's there's no downside

718
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: to it, and the downside to whipping on a getting five,

719
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: yeah and get it's fun. Obviously now it is. There

720
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: is guaranteed money, maybe not as much, but then you're

721
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: basically when you with on a pick like that, your

722
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: franchise sticks, isn't mud for years. You have a much

723
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: better chance of building a Super Bowl contender with a

724
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: three million dollar quarterback who has all the tools versus

725
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: a guy like Andy Dalton, who really might stop you

726
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: from signing some of your key players because you've got

727
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: him making a few million dollars more than Carlos. Let's

728
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: not get carried away. He's making sixteen million annually over

729
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: the length of his deal. Let me throw another player

730
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: out there, Sam Bradford, He to me, is right on

731
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: that line where you could go either way. Do you

732
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: see him as a part of the solution or part

733
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: of the problem. I have him five spots ahead of

734
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. Now he went for a first round pick

735
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: if he was on the Rams, though, would you feel

736
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: that way? It shouldn't matter what team he's on, You

737
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's just Sam brand sure. I

738
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: would say to that is that if someone is smart,

739
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: as Chip Kelly sees value in him, that factors into

740
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: the equation. I have a hard time putting him above

741
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale right now because I don't really have

742
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: any faith. He hasn't shown much when he has been healthy,

743
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: and I don't have any faith that he will stay healthy.

744
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: So I actually think and Andy Dalton would would have

745
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: the edge there. I agree. I think back to back

746
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: knee injuries and the fact that, as far as I'm concerned, uh,

747
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's plan was to flip Bradford all along and

748
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: now he's stuck with him. So I'm sure he believes

749
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: now that he's moving forward, he can turn Bradford into

750
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: a successful quarterback. But at the same time, everyone knows

751
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: what Chip wanted to do uh this month and it

752
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: didn't work out, and now he's going to try to

753
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: make the most of it with Bradford. How about I

754
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: disagree with that? All right, let's here. I don't think

755
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: that was ever like his plan all along with the

756
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: trade Bradford, I don't think I don't agree with it.

757
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I think the funny thing is I'm putting him below that,

758
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: and yet it wouldn't surprise me if Sam Bradford wins

759
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: Comeback Player of the Year. And I think he's a

760
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: guy that could be on our making the leap list.

761
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy who's set up to have

762
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: a monster season. But he's someone I feel like I

763
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: need to see it. With Andy Dalton, I've seen it.

764
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: How about Joe Flacco? Now I know Rayvensons. We're gonna

765
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: get some heat, uh for not including him in that

766
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: list of ten that weren't even the discussion. Uh. This

767
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: is a guy that has never missed a game, has

768
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: been as dependable as against maybe not a statistical stud

769
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: for most of his career, but he went on one

770
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: of the best postseason runs ever that culminated with a

771
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Super Bowl m v P and a Super Bowl win

772
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: over the forty niners, and this past January he was

773
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: a stud at Giulette Stadium when Tote Toe of Peyton

774
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: Manning came out on the losing end, but again showed

775
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: that he's a playoff stud. I think he's absolutely on

776
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: the right side of this discussion. And I don't know

777
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: why would there would be any debate. I don't see

778
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: any debate. I have him as a top ten quarterback

779
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: and ten spots higher than Peyton Manning on my list.

780
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: I thought there was a question mark in one of

781
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: our initials. All right, good, I'm happy to hear no, no, no,

782
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: I just I didn't I was more a question mark.

783
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: Did you guys watch he was eleven on my list?

784
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: I agree it shouldn't be a debate. And he's someone

785
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: that's more impressive when you watch him, really than if

786
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: you just look at the night Colin Okay, Colin Kaepernick

787
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: San Francisco Forta on his quarterback. You know, he was

788
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl as well, there that flack it

789
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: was in and he was a stud in that game,

790
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: and he was a stud in that season, and yet

791
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: he's never really been able to take his game up

792
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: since then. In fact, it seems like he's really Plateau.

793
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: And now he's in a weird situation with the Niners

794
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: and Jim tom Sula, Jim Harbaugh has gone, I'm this

795
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: is crazy because remember we all we ever heard about

796
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: was oh my god, that Bengals could have had Colin

797
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Kaepernick and they ended up with Antie Dalton. And now

798
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe it's not that it Wasn't that a

799
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: huge mistake And it's not. It doesn't seem as as

800
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: a backbreaking a mistake anymore as it once did. So

801
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: where are you putting him? I'm gonna put him just

802
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: above Dalton, but it's way closer than it was two

803
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: years ago. It is closer. I I'm still trusting that

804
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: initial flash of excitement with Kaepernick because the just the

805
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: skill set he has was enough to make someone who's

806
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: pretty smart about quarterbacks, Ron Jaworski, say that he's got

807
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: the skills to be the best quarterback ever. That was ridiculous,

808
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: which it was ridiculous, but you knew what he meant,

809
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: which is that this guy is like a if you

810
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: built a robot to play football, it'd be a lot

811
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: like Colin Kaepernick and me Andrew Luck, not Colin kaeper

812
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: that's fair. One thing. Also with Kaepernick, I could kind

813
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: of see he's in a bit of a career valley

814
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: maybe on some level right now, and I could still

815
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: see getting maybe a little bit worse before it gets better.

816
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the Tom's Tom seula era

817
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: doesn't last long and either he swept out Kaepernick or

818
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Tom Seuela swept down and there's another fresh start. I'm

819
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: not giving up on Kaepernick, but I gotta I'm not

820
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: sold that things are gonna get turned around this season.

821
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm putting him solidly above him. But I totally understand

822
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: the debate because West, who do you think played better

823
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: at football in two thousand fourteen? Andy Dalton or Kaepernick Kaepernick.

824
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: It's close, though it was, it was not a good

825
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: doll than year. Now, looking just at the two thousand

826
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: fourteen season, we can to cry small sample size, but

827
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick's playoff he has a QBR over eighty and

828
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Dalton has QBR under twenty. I mean to me, it's

829
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: not even close. You see what one guy can do

830
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: when the lights are on and the other guy doesn't.

831
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Uh again, I'm I'm way on the plus

832
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: side with this. Yeah he's us. Yeah, he's shown us

833
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: twice in the playoffs. He takes his game up and

834
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: Notch West. I know you haven't always been the biggest

835
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Eli fan, but you know you've said that Odell Beckham

836
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: is a chance to take his career and make it

837
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: a more explosive over years to come. We think he's

838
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: safely above Andy Dalton. Correct. I have Eli Manning in

839
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: the top fifteen and I have Andy Dalton below. So yes,

840
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: what quarter backs that I want to go forward in?

841
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: My friends, you're basically dare you to fund a problem

842
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: with any of these guys? Any Well, how about let's

843
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: I know you gotta live here, should we do? We

844
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: want to hear West's twenty to twenty for sure? Throw

845
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: him out twenty Teddy Bridgewater? Okay, I'm definitely would you

846
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: take Bridgewater over Dalton? Dan? We should give our our

847
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: ruling one Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer, I don't know about that.

848
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: He has been the guy when I do these rankings

849
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. Last year it was Palmer got hurt, But

850
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: even during the season, he to me is right at

851
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale. It's funny because he's the guy Dalton

852
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: replaced thirteen and two in his last fifteen games passer

853
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: rating of nineties seven. Wait, we talked about that hasn't

854
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: been able to win loss stuff is mislead by the way.

855
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: I love it that you're talking about. Carson Palmer was

856
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: talking Carson Balmer, you can't hang it all at the

857
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: quarterback speed. We've We've talked about that the other direction

858
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: before in this very podcast, that it's unfair to to

859
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: take Andy Dalton winning ten games every year and put

860
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: it at his feet. This is well, I think thirteen

861
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: and two is a lot different than tendants. I wish

862
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: I could take a time machine back to two thousand

863
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: and ten or eleven and be like, hey, Wes, Greg

864
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: was right about Hey, Greg was right coaching matters. Carson

865
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: Palmer is excelling under the tutelage of Bruce. How about

866
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he's coming off a second a c

867
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: l years old. I still want that over the purgatory,

868
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: that is, and Dalton not just for one season. You're

869
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: looking here's the exactly But like I said, I'm probably

870
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna cut Andy Dalton next year anyway because he's overpaid.

871
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: You're struggling with the contract I'm thinking more just about

872
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: the player and for me, for Palmer. When I asked

873
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: the question, do you still need a quarterback if you

874
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: have Palmer? The answer to me is yes, because he

875
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: can't answer with Dalton, isn't it? Well, then he's not

876
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: the then he See. This is where I always get confused,

877
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: because then the Dalton scale doesn't work because if I

878
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: didn't know the answer, WHOA, but this is your scale.

879
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: I just told you the day I had this epiphany

880
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: that it's got an existential crisis. I was right all along.

881
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: Well it comes to work when he got paid two

882
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: million dollars. Make sense though, right thet see what does

883
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: make sense makes sense If you don't really know which

884
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: side Dalton is on Bengals, you know for sure that

885
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: means there's got to be someone to take his place,

886
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: like Carson Palmer. Maybe Andy Dalton should not be this

887
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: is about anymore? Oh, I like where you're going here.

888
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: It's a Palmer scale. Wow, this is a history being made.

889
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: During the podcast, we give West, we give West an assignment,

890
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: and suddenly he starts searching his soul. Bengals fans that

891
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: are out there, we feel your pain. This is what

892
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's doing to us. He's making us crazy. Palmer

893
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: scale has a ring to it. Could be the Palmer

894
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: scale this year? What about the Alex Smith Scale? WHOA,

895
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: that's that is a great name? Is that your next

896
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: on your alright? Alex Smith? Let's Alex Smith is twenty two.

897
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: I docked him about two or three spots just because

898
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: he's so boring to watch and if I was running

899
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: a team, I wouldn't want even watch my own team.

900
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: And a certain NFL media analyst, Elliott Harrison, put him

901
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: in his top ten quarterbacks, which he put up that

902
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: was published on the site. Well, like my quarterbacks to

903
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: be able to throw it more than seven yards down

904
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: or be willing to throw it more than seven yards

905
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: down the field. Can I just say, you know one

906
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: thing in his defense? I mean he's playing in in

907
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Kansas City, and you know, nobody on the Around the

908
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: NFL podcast gets excited about the Chiefs. Really, what if

909
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: Alex was in a better situation and he's the biggest problem.

910
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: He's the most boring quarterback to watch, But if he

911
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: was playing in Kelly's offense, he would still be boring

912
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: to watch. He's, first of all, he's a good runner.

913
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: He maximizes everything he has. I think usually you give

914
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: people credit for in sports, like they run a totally

915
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: different offense than the rest of the league, and yet

916
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: they're pretty effective with it. So I think he is

917
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: a good case. Though he's one of the smartest NFL quarterbacks.

918
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: I think that part of his game is underrated. He

919
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: just doesn't trust his arm and there are a lot

920
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks who wouldn't take it, or a lot of

921
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: coaches he wouldn't take him. If we're again going back

922
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: to is that the guy do you think you have

923
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback? I don't think you do. I think you

924
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: have a bridge guy, maybe the best bridge guy, Alex Smith.

925
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: Don't see him as an answer. Chiefs fans would take

926
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: this as an insult. Andy Reid certainly would based on

927
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: the contracts he's been given. Andy's Alex Smith. But maybe

928
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: Alex Smith is the guy who's the twenty four. Is

929
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: that where we're at Cutler, Oh, he's a little higher

930
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: than I thought he'd be. That's a couple of spots

931
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: higher than I definitely don't think that's pretty low. It's

932
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: just that Dalton is wildly low. Well, Cutler's is the

933
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: same thing with Alex Smith. If I'm running the team,

934
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: I gotta watch this guy. I gotta hang out with

935
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: this dude. I'm definitely I'm putting Cutler definitely below if

936
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: they think they have their quarterback right exactly that that's

937
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: that hurts me because he picked up his option. They did,

938
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: but I don't. I still don't think it necess million guaranteed.

939
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's tough one. If you if you have

940
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: Ja Cutler, there's a small chance that you can pull

941
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: a Flacco and catch lightning in the bottle in the

942
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: playoffs just by pure physical talent. I don't believe Andy

943
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: Dalton can Bears fans would argue the playoffs every year

944
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: sounds pretty good. Many times his Cutler got him there

945
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: to three. I'm glad Bears fans are now to the

946
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: point where I was four years ago on color Um.

947
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: There's a perfect guy to talk about there. That's a

948
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: tough one. The Cutler scale, well, no, I mean now,

949
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. If he's a good guy, he's right

950
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: around it. I would put him under it. He's a

951
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: guy who's for the first time in his career, I

952
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: think he's below the Dalton scale. M How about we

953
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: haven't talked about him, and I would assume he's probably

954
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: ahead of the guy some of these recent guys we

955
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: talked about. But Cam Newton, Oh yeah, I got him

956
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: in the top ten. There was and an internal email

957
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: there was that he was not on the definite list.

958
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: That's why he wasn't one that was just for you guys,

959
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to assume that you were just

960
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: going with my opinion. But yeah, I would definitely put

961
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: and we agree with Tannehill is definitely above Dalton, right, yeah, Tannehill. Okay, alright,

962
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: how about Matt Stafford. Yeah, he's a he's frustrating. I

963
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't have him that high. Okay, This is where this

964
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: discussion gets tricky though, because as yes, he's above Andy Dalton,

965
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: but what a bit is he above Carson Palmer? Oh yeah,

966
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: not by that much. Last year I had him as

967
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, for two thousand fourteen alone seventeen

968
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: that was right behind Kaepernick and Alex Smith. That's the

969
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: type of year that Matthew Stafford had. He did not

970
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: have a very good two thousand fourteen, but I think

971
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: he's had better years before. It's just frustrating because you

972
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: think he's gonna a lot of stock in two. I'm

973
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: just I'm just using that as my as my rough

974
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: guide to look ahead. To look at the names I have,

975
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: um n A next to Jamis Winston and Marcus Mariota.

976
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: We'll we'll wait and see. I've got them at least

977
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: ten spots higher than Andy Dalton, so without even playing

978
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: there above him. Well, I mean, what do you how

979
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: do you think NFL executives feel about this? They wouldn't

980
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: take three first round picks for I mean, the Bucks

981
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't take three first round picks, and other teams were

982
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: offering that. I need to see it before. I wouldn't

983
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: put Mariota above it. I would put Winston. Come on,

984
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. If you were given a choice to run

985
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: a franchise and it was between Andy Dalton and Marcus Mariotta,

986
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: you would be cursed to go eight and eight the

987
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: rest of your life, and you would deserve it. He

988
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: throws his hands up. I know, when did Greg become

989
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: this hothouse flower? It's more than Dalton scale. It's driving

990
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: it a crazy. I don't know what to today. I

991
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: thought it was an evaluation. How about this? Now I

992
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: have this category fringe slash Dalton. Part of the evaluation

993
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: is projecting quarterbacks into the future. You rather have how

994
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: about Derek Carr? Well, hang on, all right, everybody slow

995
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: down here fringe slash Dalton purgatory. I had Jay Cutler

996
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: on this list, but we moved him out. We talked

997
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 1: about him already. Derek Carr, Nick Foles and Robert Riven

998
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: the third I have those. Those are the three closest

999
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: guy to Andy Dalton on my list, and they are

1000
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: on yours as well. No, I have them, you know,

1001
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: far behind. Um Oh, okay, I have Derek Carr. I

1002
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: headed Dalton in It kind of pain me to do it.

1003
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: Car was. I mean, if you got to look at

1004
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: some of the stats on the Raiders last year historically

1005
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: inept at moving the football right, you can say, well not,

1006
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: you can't say the same thing, but you can look

1007
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: at some pretty nasty Blake Bortles stats to last year

1008
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: and you have him well ahead of Yeah. I saw

1009
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: more out of portals by a lot, and I would

1010
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: put car behind Dalton on this, But now the whole

1011
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: scale is confused. Now it's problematic because if Dalton passes

1012
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: up the whole scale, if we are in agreeance that

1013
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: he is that far down or even near that area.

1014
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: He's gotta be out, we gotta, we gotta change. I'm in,

1015
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm around. You've got Mariota below him, and I don't

1016
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: believe for a second you would do that, Nick Foles.

1017
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: I have him one spot below Dalton, just because I

1018
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: saw him way too much inaccuracy and bad to me.

1019
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Going back again to the term this guy the answer

1020
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: or is he the problem? He's not an answer. I'm

1021
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: not ready to say he's absolutely the problem, but I

1022
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: know he's not a long term answer. Yeah, I put him,

1023
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: putting him behind, I'll put Mariota ahead. What And finally

1024
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: r G three and he's there. He's even this time

1025
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: last year, Um, West, I know you were big on

1026
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: a come back here. I was big on a comeback

1027
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: here as sure as hell didn't happened. So now there's

1028
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: a there's a real chance that this guy is just

1029
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: shot and he's never gonna regain that spark. But it's

1030
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: still there in the back of a lot of people's minds.

1031
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Can he ever get back something? And it's not just

1032
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: physically anymore, there's something mentally up with him too. In

1033
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: my mind, he doesn't have a confidence he once had. Well,

1034
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: this is the point where if we had a you know,

1035
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: big time producer. TD just jumps in right now and

1036
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 1: he says, I've got a little surprise. I've got Jake

1037
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: Gruden on the phone for you. He's coached Andy Dalton,

1038
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: He's coached r G three. He's gonna tell you at

1039
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 1: the very least, Frank Caliendo, Well, I have none of those.

1040
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: I did have an RG three. I'll take though. I'm

1041
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: sure that would be just as in week two or

1042
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: week three, whatever week that was where he got injured.

1043
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: A drive a couple of days before you got injured,

1044
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: actually got to look decent. That's telling that you can

1045
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 1: pick out and then you add a bunch of qualifiers.

1046
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: He actually kind of that. That is damning, not even

1047
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: with faint praise. It's just InCred first couple of plays.

1048
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Whatever this is, I guess whatever this is the Dalton

1049
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: scale or whatever it is going forward right now, to me,

1050
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: there's no way you can put him on the plus

1051
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: side of this. He's got to earn. His wife got

1052
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: him one spot ahead of Dalton. Do you think he

1053
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: is the answer right now? Well, I no, I don't

1054
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: because I think I've already abandoned that definition. I've got

1055
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: a new definition. This is why I was this is

1056
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm operating under a different thing that basically it's where

1057
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: you're at. Right, then it's not betting on the rest

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Speaker 1: of your right Now, there's no chance r G three's

1059
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: above him. Well, of course, your job is to look

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00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: at this like a general manager, not like some I'm

1061
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: in a podcast studio. Your job is to say, who

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00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: do I want for my franchise going forward? Let's put

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00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: it this way, who would you rather have, Like we

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00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: would have an al G three in the chance little

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: chance that he has that he's something close to his

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00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: rookie year, or would you have rather have Dalton? Who

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00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, I would rather have RG three and a

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00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: zero point eight chance that he ever comes close to

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00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: his rookie year. Dalton has a has less of a

1070
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: chance of ever make being any better than after two

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00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: years of misery. Yes, I believe it. Well, here you're

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Speaker 1: talking about in the vasum like you're just starting a franchise.

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00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm often thinking of what if I have the Seahawks,

1074
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: because that's the team where you feel like you don't

1075
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: really need a quarterback that badly. And in that case

1076
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: it's like I would rather take my national TV a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're winning playoff games with Dalton. No you're not. Here's

1078
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: my I've got a new definition. So any Dalton now

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Speaker 1: to me, isn't the point of whether you would rather

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00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: have these guys? To me? The point is more do

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00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: I want Andy Dalton even my roster or have a

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00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: fifteen million a year at his salary? Do I even

1083
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: want him on my roster? So in most these situations,

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00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: I would rather have the other guy on my roster.

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00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: The Dalton scale is a big sloppy mess in him half,

1086
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: I think just let's change it. Let's change the Palmer, right.

1087
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: I think the real question is do we want Andy

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00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: Dalton on the Dalton's It always struck me as odd

1089
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: is that we had him as the middle guy when

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00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: everyone in the room was so against him as being

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00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: anything close to an answer. We always had him in

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00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: the middle, but I think they always thought he was

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00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: a piece of garbage and and when he should clearly

1094
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: be on the other and now like he's he never changed.

1095
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: He's still the same guy. That's the problem. It's four

1096
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: years now and he's probably gotten a little worth. That's

1097
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: why you said he was that guy in the first place.

1098
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: He said that he wasn't going to get better. Well,

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00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: in fact, he's regressed. Spoiler. This is another spoiler for you, TD.

1100
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Speaker 1: Did you get Caliendo on the line to podcaster of

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00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: the days at a is Dan Hansas for Scale over

1102
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: the years has been proven correct and we're all winners

1103
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: because you don't get to give one out. However, quick

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00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: producing note, though, I say keep the Dulton stale. This

1105
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: is part of the show, guys, It's part of the intrigue.

1106
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: Not knowing exactly where he is. I think we're getting

1107
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: We're starting to figure it out. Our listeners can let

1108
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: us know, you know, sent us with a hashtag Doulton

1109
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: Scale what you guys think about this guy. But he's

1110
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: probably regressed, that hasn't gone better. But it's still in

1111
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: the same position where he puts the seam in the

1112
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: playoffs and always loses. He's the perfect guy for this

1113
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: game guy. Also, I think he's going to have a

1114
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: career year in two thousand. All right, now, I'm really confused.

1115
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: It's all about surrounding talent. West is I think this

1116
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: is the effect of West having no sleep like at

1117
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: word long form that is in the middle of an

1118
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: edit process, and he's an emotional powder chick. Well, there's

1119
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: a lot that went into this. I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 1: know if I wanted to bring this up quite yet.

1121
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: But let's say it had a little bit of a

1122
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: cathartic nature in my Bengals fandom. Yeah, we put a

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: pin in that because we will save that for Thursday.

1124
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: We got to talk about that. We're at a time though,

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00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: well not yet already did it really quick? All right? Um? Yes,

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Speaker 1: Podcast of the Day actually does go to Dan Um.

1127
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: It did more than host today. He was trafficking. He

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Speaker 1: researched Steve Nash tidbit was fun, That Pro football talk

1129
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: tidbit was good. He asked the quintessential question, are we

1130
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: going to have to pull you aside in the serious

1131
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: manner and tell you that this isn't gonna work as

1132
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: a segment. I mean, you're winning. You're winning. That's why

1133
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: you should take this as very serious saying this. I

1134
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: think I don't know that Soldiers. Just with that, I

1135
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: liked it as a segment. You can need to work

1136
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: on your explanations. Why just you know, pick like one thing,

1137
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: just one thing. Maybe yeah, maybe it's a Tighten at

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Speaker 1: the End podcast MTP, bang for the podcast MVP now

1139
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: given a title. I don't know I have because sometimes

1140
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: you're like giving all these reasons and some of them

1141
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: are a little thin sometimes, and I know you, you

1142
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: and Cessler sometimes are odds. If we if we're going

1143
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: like ten shows deep and Cesslor doesn't have the m

1144
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: v P, it's just gonna lead to that's gonna He's

1145
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna be the onening bit. He never wins. Oh, it's

1146
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: like the for Eddie Roosevelt in the Washington National Alright,

1147
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: and I'm back in all right, that's it. Thank you

1148
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: for listening. If if you were able to follow along, congratulations.

1149
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: But we'll be back on Thursday with another show. Greg,

1150
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: You're going on um staycation. Uh No, I'm going to

1151
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: Massachusetts to be with my parents with Bacase, my daughter Elis.

1152
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Speaker 1: We're gonna go. So it's gonna be U the Great

1153
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and I as well as Colleen wolf Will

1154
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: will rejoin us in the studio. Looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: So that's Thursday. Uh. This Dan hansis uh signing up

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Speaker 1: for the Great White Tube k compliance Officer and the

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Speaker 1: Boss and of course t D who I love behind

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Speaker 1: the glass until Thursday,