1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: listening to Software Radio special operations, military news and straight 3 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: talk with the guys and the community. Hello and everyone, 4 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Software Radio, Software Pradio on Time on Target. 5 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: You're on the AAR today with Steve Blastrai joining us today. 6 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: We have a very special guest. He's been in Software 7 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Radio before, he's been our guests, but it was a 8 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: while ago, so we're trying to bring him back and 9 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: catch up with what he's been up to. Eric Davis, 10 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: who served our country as a U. S. Navy seal. 11 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: He was a decorated veteran as a global war and 12 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: terror uh. He was one of the premier sniper instructures 13 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: instructors excuse me for the Navy and their master training 14 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: specialist at the Sniper school in Coronado, California. We want 15 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: to welcome him back. Eric, thanks for taking the time 16 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: this afternoon to join us here on Software Radio. We 17 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Yeah, my absolute pleasure, Steve, looking forward 18 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: to doing the show with you. Yeah. In fact, you know, 19 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: anyone who does stuff in the water gets my vote. Um. 20 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I was a SF guy, but I was a mountain guy, 21 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: because I wasn't comfortable enough to do anything in the water, 22 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: so school to school for me was out of the question. 23 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: So anyone who can do all the things that you 24 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: guys did in the water, Uh, you get my vote. Man. Yeah, nice, 25 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate it. It It does. It definitely does 26 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: add another dynamic to anything you're doing. With cold water 27 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: splashing in your face. It definitely uh takes you through 28 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: another wringer. Yeah. Because a body of mine that I 29 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: used to work with after we both get out of 30 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: the military, we we did some security work for the 31 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: Hollywood industry when they'd go overseas and he had been 32 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: through buds and he told me the hardest thing to 33 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: do is learned how to relax in the water. Especially. 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: He said something about a bee hive when you go 35 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: through um budge training where they put everyone kind of 36 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: in a tight circle in the pool, and uh, when 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: he was describing it to me, I was like, yeah, 38 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have handled that very well. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: you could see. You could see some of the fellows 40 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: were not ready for such a thing. Uh. It is 41 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: definitely an experience when you know they fill your mask 42 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: with water, push you tighter and tighter together, and then 43 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: of course the only way to get to the top 44 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: of the water is by moving some body part down um, 45 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: and then that body part touches somebody else and and 46 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: when they're trying to get to the top of the 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: water and your body part brings them underneath the water. 48 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: So it's a good, good fun. Yeah. He was telling 49 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: me about that, and he was like, if you He's like, 50 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: to me, that was the toughest part. He's like, I 51 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: get handled a cold and all that. He goes, I mean, 52 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: you get cold, you get miserable, and I'm sure you 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: experienced all that same stuff. But he said, but that 54 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: was for him personally, and everyone's different. But he said 55 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: that was the toughest part for me. And once I 56 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: made it through that, I kind of had the feeling 57 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: that no matter what else they throw at me, I 58 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: think I can handle it. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, that that 59 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: definitely does is very trying for some people. For sure. 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: It's not a natural feeling at all. Now, how how 61 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: old were you or how young were you when you 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: went through seal training. Oh, let's see, So I actually 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: went twice, so first time I would have had it 64 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: been like three and then second time, uh, about twenty 65 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: five give or take. I have to like do the math, 66 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: but around and how many guys graduated in your sealed 67 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: class or is that that's not classified? Right? No? No, 68 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: not classified at all. I do not remember exactly our 69 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: class did graduate a large amount compared to most classes, though, 70 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: um so I do remember it being in any a 71 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: little bit of an anomaly, and I gotta say it 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: was like seven. I want to say seventy seven, but 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't you know, when anyone researching me on the 74 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: internet and then be like, you weren't in class two 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: and five, but I was. There's like seventies, which is 76 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: usually pretty high, you know what I mean? Yeah, because 77 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: I've heard, uh, you know, talking with some guys that 78 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I met through the service, most of the classes are 79 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: down in like the twenties, thirties, maybe forties from what 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: what I've heard, and they start with quite a few people. 81 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: So there's a lot a lot of guys who fall 82 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: by the wayside due to one reason or not along 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, lots of a lot 84 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: of reasons not to make it. Yeah. Now, when you 85 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: when you began your seal career, were you on the 86 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: West coast of the East Coast. I was West coast 87 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: the whole time. Okay, so you were in California. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. 88 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: And it's funny because talking to that same buddy of 89 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: mine that I worked with, he was like, the weirdest 90 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: thing is watching people like at restaurants and bars while 91 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: you're swimming in the surf and wait, you know, watching 92 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: the surf wash over you. You can see people enjoying 93 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: themselves and see that was the one difference like s 94 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: F when you go through and like at Camp McCall 95 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: and North Carolina, you're in the middle of base nowhere. 96 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's uh, it's pretty as there. It's in 97 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: the middle of swampy like terrain that nobody really wants. 98 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: I can't imagine you could actually see people kind of 99 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: enjoying themselves while this is all going on. Yeah, it's 100 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: the It is the weirdest thing. Like we used to describe, 101 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: you know, seal training as like a little bit of 102 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: a nine to five thrashing in a way, And I 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: don't mean that to like diminish the difficulty of it, 104 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: but it was there used to be this cartoon like 105 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, it was like the coyote 106 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: and the sheep dog and they would like clock in 107 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: and just hander each other then clock out. So there 108 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: were was that kind of weird feel too, because you're 109 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: beautiful Coronado, California. You know, you're doing beach runs, there's 110 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: people hanging out on the beach. You know, you're you're 111 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: out in the doing ocean swims. You're swimming across public beaches. Um. 112 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: So it is this strange thing. During hell week you're 113 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: watching people in the restaurants as you're piling around the 114 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: the island, and you know, you get done with the 115 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: day and you go, you know to this beautiful restaurant, 116 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean obviously not Hell week. And then 117 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: there's third phase and there's plenty times we're out. It 118 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: is a strange environment, but I think it's very conducive, 119 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: um and maybe more better said, very appropriate to the 120 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: kind of people that are attracted to becoming a seal 121 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: um and just the kind of personalities UM if that 122 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: makes sense. Oh yeah, I mean, and as in all 123 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: of the Special Operations units, there's it all attracts. I mean, 124 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: everyone's a little bit different, but I think it always 125 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: attracts the same type of people. Regardless of what unit 126 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: it is, whether it's a Navy, Seal, air Force, you know, 127 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: the Air Force, special ops guys, the Army Green Braised Rangers, 128 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: they all have that same type of personality, the guys 129 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: that are looking for something a little different than everyone else. 130 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I think fundamentally it's like the core 131 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: human being. And then everybody has their different style, you know, 132 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: I guess that the only it's just different style, same person, 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: different different style, that's it. And then you know it 134 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: ends up we all end up work together anyway. So 135 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: so we all have we were all uh, everyone has 136 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: their own little quirks, but we're all on the same 137 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: team at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 138 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: So you know when you when you first became a seal, uh, 139 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: when your bio and talks about global War on Terror? 140 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Were you in afton? Isay that again? We did you 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: do a tour in Afghanistan? I did, so. My platoon 142 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: came home, um just before September eleven went down, so 143 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: I was literally on post deployment leave. I didn't have 144 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: a t I just moved into a new place, didn't 145 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: have a TV. Someone called being like, hey, do you 146 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: know what happened. And then what happens They spun my 147 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: platoon back up and said, you know, we're not like, hey, 148 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: get ready to go back out, because you guys are 149 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: ready to get you know, obviously already. UM. And then 150 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: they ended up sending Brandon's platoon Brandon Webb and didn't 151 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: send our platoon. But it was also the time I 152 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: was I could have gotten out of the Navy. But 153 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: then what they did is they said, hey, if you 154 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: re enlist, will send you to Afghanistan. So I'm like, 155 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: that's easy. So I re enlisted and went to Afghanistan. UM. 156 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: I think shortly after sometimes I think it was sometime 157 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: in December, Um, right after September, eleven months. So you 158 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: were there in the very early stages of that. Yeah, 159 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: pretty early yep. So are obviously Brandon Webbs, you know, 160 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: the big the big hauncho here and soft from you 161 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: guys have known each other for quite a few years. Then, 162 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: were you instructors together? Oh? We sure we're That was 163 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably one of our most defining, you 164 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: know moments as seals for both of us. So we 165 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: both went to Team three. UM. I deployed just ahead 166 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: of him, like I said, Then his platoon came up 167 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: behind us. I went to training cell a little bit 168 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: ahead of him, and then I ended up in the 169 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: sniper cell there and then I mean just a few months, 170 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean just by months right then he joined sniper cell. 171 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: And then we spent five years together training snipers, which 172 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: is pretty unusual. Usually when you're an instructor, it's like 173 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: a couple of three years. I think three years is 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: about the max. But they're changing the course and both 175 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: him and I just really dug in UM on how 176 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: to train snipers. So that's him and I got very close, 177 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: and it just spent a lot of time together. Um, 178 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: just in that field of expertise. Now back in and 179 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: when you guys were teaching what was the um the 180 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Seal Team sniper weapon, what were you guys using? You know, 181 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: it's so funny because I was never really that into guns, 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: and um, I'm the worst guy when it comes to 183 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: Norman clature with all of this. But I'll tell I mean, 184 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: I'll describe some of the guns. But I remember at 185 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: one point counting how many guns I had issued to me. 186 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I think it was like two. Um, and you know, 187 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: seals are not short on budget. And imagine or imagination. 188 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: So you know, we had the seven six to UM, 189 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: the Remington, the fifty cow, and then they the M fours. 190 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: Then we had like accurized M fours with special barrels 191 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: that you know kind of were considered part of our 192 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: sniper suite. I started with an M fourteen with custom stock, 193 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: like when I went through sniper school, like the legit 194 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: that was the semi automatic seven six two before the 195 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: UM was that SR twenty five came out, So I 196 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: gotta say, we had to have them all for as 197 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: far as I can tell, Like, uh yeah, So in 198 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: Sniper Cell, like the basic course, it was basically by caliber. 199 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: You know, you have your three under wind mag you'r 200 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: three O eight um and that was our that was 201 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: our primary focus. But then your brand and I were 202 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: both in Advanced Sniper Cell as well, so then you're 203 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: using all the different guns. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah, because uh, 204 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: everyone loves to you know, I mean, I don't care 205 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: if you're a sniper or not. Everyone loves doing long 206 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: range shooting because it's like, I don't know, it's just 207 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: one of those military things. And I know, whenever we 208 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: go on to the deployment, if we were somewhere where 209 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: it it availed itself, we'd have to stop what we 210 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: were doing, never failed and see who could shoot the best. 211 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: So I'm sure it was the same with you guys 212 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to long range shooting. And of course, 213 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: yeah we got to play with some different stuff as 214 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: well when it comes to seven six too. Um they 215 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: used the I think yeah it was the Winter mag 216 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: and of course the fifty cow came up along later on. 217 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm probably a little bit older than you are, so yeah, 218 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: but yeah, all that stuff was always fun and uh, 219 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: it's all it is interesting because I know what you know, 220 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Sniper school is extremely difficult. People don't understand. They think 221 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: it's all only about shooting. If you're a civilian then 222 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: they think it's just about shooting, But there's so much 223 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: more to it. You have to know your math too 224 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: when you go there. Oh you shoul do it's um, 225 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, I remember I think they'd send like two 226 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: or three guys per platoon in hopes of getting one sniper. 227 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: So I mean this is a course that full seals 228 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: uh went to and failed on a regular basis, and 229 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: it is way more so. I mean, there's the whole 230 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: reconnaissance and surveillance aspect of becoming a sniper. I mean 231 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: the first four weeks, well, actually in our course we're teaching, 232 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: we're teaching digital photography because surveillance is a big part 233 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: of of sniping. And then that's too. I think that 234 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: was two weeks when I was there, and then four weeks. 235 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: This was of course I was in charge of, which 236 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: was called the scout of course, but that's where we're 237 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: teaching all the gilly suit stuff, the hides, the talking, 238 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: and then six weeks of shooting, so it's not even 239 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's about half. And then during the shooting 240 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: you're you're still doing the field craft too, with the 241 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: digital photography, memorization techniques, observation techniques, I mean everything it 242 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: is a you gotta be into it. I guess you know, 243 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: you've got to be into it. It's very specialized. And 244 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you did that for five years. Five years I taught that, man. 245 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: I I remember, like, every once in a while have 246 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: the opportunity to kind of train with l A p 247 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: D SWAT or or just kind of helped them out 248 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: or be on the same range with them. And I 249 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: remember sitting behind those guys and because you know, you 250 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: watch one of the things you learned as a snipers 251 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: to watch what they call bullet trace, So you actually 252 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: watched the bullet go down range and there's a way 253 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: kind of looks like the matrix as you know, and 254 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: there's a way you can tell whether the person hit 255 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: or missed, you know, well before they know. And um, yeah, 256 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: after five years you know full time too. I can ever, 257 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: like being with these SWAT teams, are like what And 258 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: then they like started calling me Yoda, They're like, how 259 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: did you know? How can you know what? I'm like, dude, 260 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: it's not I'm telling you, man, five straight years. I've 261 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: been doing this, Like I know where you shot that bullet, 262 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: whether you do or not. Yeah. Now, did you work 263 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: with some of the our allies who have sniper units, 264 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, I never worked with them in that capacity. 265 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean I've been on deployment and did the FID 266 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: stuff for an internal defense where we're you know, we're 267 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: training them in different things. But I was not a 268 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: sniper when my platoon was doing that. And then yeah, 269 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: my second deployment, I don't think we did it any 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: of that kind of work because we're pirating so many 271 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: damn ships um, we're just taking ships down left and 272 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: right because it was just right before the war. And 273 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't know necessary the relation, but we're definitely ramped 274 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: up taking down ships coming out of Iraq um for 275 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: you and um any any any kind of embargo infringement. 276 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: So we're busy. Yeah. Now you wrote a couple of 277 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: books raising men from Father's Two Sons, Life Lessons and 278 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: Seal Training. You also have another one that's out Habits 279 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: of Heroes. What what was the motivations of writing the books? 280 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you the whole time I was 281 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: in the seal teams. It's funny. So sometimes I'll hear 282 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: about like other seals being mad at and someone for 283 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: writing a book, and I'm like, wait, we're all there 284 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: because we wrote, we read a book or watched all 285 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: the movies like there, that's right, Like come on, dude, 286 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: what are you even talking about? But and everyone's always 287 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: talking about stuff like that. But I just thought, because 288 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: I was a very young parent, right, I had had 289 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: my first kid at like nineteen years old, and just 290 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: right out of the box young parents, I was a parent, 291 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, I went through MARI and reconnaissance training, seal training, 292 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: I but I was a very young parent this whole time, 293 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: and I just thought like, it's just an interesting perspective, 294 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: like how's my life look as a parent. And then, 295 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, I lived in South Orange County, and you 296 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: want to talk about a contrast. So you know, one 297 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: day I could be deployed in Africa, fly home, and 298 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: then I'm at a barbecue in the most suburbia you 299 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: know place there could you know what I mean, It's 300 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: just like the most suburban kind of place you could be. 301 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: And I just had a little different thinking around parenting. 302 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: And of course I'm training with Olympic gold medalists to 303 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: learn how to train snipers better, so I you know, 304 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm learning behavior science. I'm just learning all these different things. 305 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: So I just thought, man, what an interesting perspective. And 306 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: this was before Seal books were popular too. I mean 307 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: people had written books before me. But I was thinking 308 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: about this a long time ago, and I'm like, jeez, 309 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: someone has to be interested in a Seals perspective on 310 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: raising a kid or a Seals perspective on finance. I 311 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: don't know, It's just like we got a different way 312 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: of looking at things. So that just drove me to 313 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: do it. Um, and because it isn't. It isn't one 314 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: of the typical books. You know, when people think, oh, 315 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: a book about Navy seals written by a Navy seal, 316 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: they're expecting a differ from type of book. You know. Uh, well, 317 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: we used to call in the army the hula books. 318 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: You know. Oh, yeah, this is you know, you're expecting 319 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of war stories. This is more. This was 320 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: geared obviously differently. Yeah. Absolutely, So I started off with 321 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: that as a personal development writer and I still am 322 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: a personal development writer. So there the really where the 323 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: Seals stories come in is they're just great, kind of 324 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: extreme examples of how we get things done in in 325 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: dynamic environments. And what's good about that. As I learned 326 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: that as a sniper instructor, I'm like, well, if you 327 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: really just inflate the example, you're gonna be able to 328 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: see the nuances, the small things. You know, If you, 329 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, inflate the example of shooting a bullet down 330 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: range and make the bullet really big and make the 331 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: wind a hundred times bigger, you can see what's affecting 332 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: things cause and effect. So that was just always my 333 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: passion and I got really good at training snipers, Like 334 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: when Brandon I were there, we brought the failure weight 335 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: way down. I mean, we're part of a team, but 336 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: I always, you know, blame myself for the good stuff 337 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: when i'm because the team's not here right now, right, 338 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: But it's like we like you know what I mean, 339 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: So everything for me is all personal development. I used 340 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the stories to to to explain a point, and it's 341 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: a trusted source, right, So seals are known to perform. 342 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, there's all kinds of like Charlatan's 343 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: out there trying to pedal personal development, like it's crazy 344 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: and I got caught up when I was young and 345 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: it just didn't work for me, And um, it just 346 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: makes sense. Like we're performers. People know we're performers. And 347 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: when we can bridge the gap from what we did 348 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: to now what we do as individuals, as parents, as 349 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: corporate executives, whatever, just it really makes a quick difference. Yeah, 350 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, from your own perspective, having a child when 351 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: you're young like that at nineteen, it must have been 352 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: difficult when your kids are growing up and you're on deployment. 353 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: Because speaking for myself, I didn't have my I have once, 354 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: but I didn't have him until I was out. You know, 355 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: I had got out of the military after seventeen years, 356 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: so you know, I can't imagine I knew guys. Obviously, 357 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: we were around both of us were around people that 358 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, having families at home. That's one of the 359 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: toughest things to do is being deployed. When you're away 360 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: from your family. How difficult was that? I mean, especially 361 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: at a young age like that, So it is it 362 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: is difficult to be away from them. But I would 363 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: I would say for me, now, I've been an entrepreneur. 364 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: I've been an entrepreneur and then I became a full 365 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: time writer, so an entrepreneur since two thousand and eight, 366 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: which is a really tough economy obviously to start being 367 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: a business owner. And then a few years after that 368 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: I became a full time writer. Um. So I bring 369 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: that up because of this. So it is difficult to 370 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: be away from your kids. Um. But I find, or 371 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: I have found that I have in more present. I 372 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: was more present with my kids that I had when 373 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: I was in the teams and deploying, because when I 374 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: was home, I was home. When I was on the 375 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: phone with them, I was on the phone with them. 376 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: I was, here's the thing. You can fail at a 377 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: seal mission. I mean there's really bad failures where people die, 378 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: of course, but there's lots of failures. Were like, oh, 379 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: I failed, and you still get paid, you still keep 380 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: all your medical you know, I mean, everything's okay. So 381 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: it's been It's an interesting kind of question, but for me, 382 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: it was infinitely more difficult to be apparent outside of 383 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: the teams um and I I love sharing this with 384 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: people because when I'm teaching someone, whether it's one of 385 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: my members and my courses or I'm just talking to 386 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: parents in general, I talk about just the life or 387 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: death nature of what we're doing as a parent or 388 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: what we're doing as an executive, you know, like whatever 389 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: we're doing. They're like, well, it's nothing to compare to 390 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: what you're doing in the seal teams. I'm like, oh no, no, no, 391 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: it absolutely is different because in the steal teams, again, 392 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: assuming nothing really bad happened, you do twenty years and 393 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: you can retire and you get that money for the 394 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: rest of your life. But in the in the regular world, 395 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: there's lots of reasons you're not going to retire. There's 396 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: lots of reasons you're not going to get paid the 397 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: next month, you know, so, um, and it's hard to 398 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: be present with your kids when you're worried about stuff 399 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: like that. And that's a that's a great point. I 400 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: mean the civilian world, and you know we've all gone 401 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: through that. It is very different and it's an eye 402 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: opening experience when you spend most of your adult life 403 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 1: in the military and then when you do leave, you know, 404 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: it's life definitely changes. And I know a lot of guys, 405 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: myself included after UM, I thought I was prepared for 406 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: civilian life when I get out, and I don't really 407 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: feel like I was. So that's that's a great point. 408 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, I've gone I've done a couple of 409 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: news hits when you know there are a lot of 410 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: the suicide is happening, um, and then you know they 411 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: you know, they ask your opinion, and this is opinion. 412 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I don't study all this stuff. 413 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: But one of the things I shared with them, UM was, 414 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I don't know the cause 415 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: of all the pain, you know what I mean, people 416 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: after they're out of the military. But I do know this. 417 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: I do know from the time they're eighteen, nineteen years old. 418 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: They were able to afford their own place, able to 419 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: buy a car, You get yourself a credit card at 420 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: Nordstrooms or Macy's wherever it is. You like, you know 421 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like you can do all that, 422 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: and then you get out of the military, and what 423 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: what happens is you left the job that was allowing 424 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: you to live like kind of in an adult life, 425 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: and you watch a lot of our veterans suffer, and 426 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: it's really like, I don't there's no really kind way 427 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: to say it. I just it's like it's because they left. Um, 428 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: the military doesn't prepare you for that, and they don't 429 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 1: even tell you, you know what I mean. It's not 430 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: like they warn't you like, hey, hey, it's not gonna 431 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: quite be like you think. So you know, I have 432 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: I feel for those guys, you know, the guys and 433 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: gals all the time that are struggling. Um, And you know, 434 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: I always wish there was a better transition program. And 435 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: it's not just transition like how to go get a job. 436 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you gotta understand that you had the 437 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: full boat, you know what I mean, You had a 438 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: full career level job, and now you're going to go 439 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: out into a different world where it's not necessarily going 440 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: to be that case, right, And you know, I did 441 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: read uh And I talked to a friend of mine. 442 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: We served together in SF. But he's been working in 443 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: conjunction with some seals and they're putting together I believe 444 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: it's the Navy Seal Foundation. I could be wrong about that, 445 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: but they're putting together a really good transition program for 446 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: the guys that are getting out now because it is different. 447 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: It's an eye opening experience, and I think a lot 448 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: of the guys really missed that close interaction with each 449 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: other that you know, you can trust that guy that's 450 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: next to you right now with your life and he'll 451 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: trust you with his, But not that feeling when you 452 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: get out. And I think a lot of guys struggle 453 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. In corporate America and just 454 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: the the marketplace, it's just different. You know. It's not 455 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: that people are bad, but it's yeah, in in this 456 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: in the military and especially special forces, it's like, hey, 457 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride this one down with you, you know, 458 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: even if it causes me to fail too. And and 459 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: and that environment is more conducive to do that because 460 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: it's it's set up for that. It's a culture. But 461 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more. I gotta get mine in 462 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: corporate America. And I'm not saying that's bad. I'm just 463 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: saying it's just a little bit more that way. It's different. Yeah, 464 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: and and it and it doesn't have to be that way. Um, 465 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: but it's just different. And yeah, and you expect people 466 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: to have your back and um, they don't. Yeah. So 467 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, what was the reaction to the guys you 468 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: served with, the guys you were friends with when you 469 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: did write the books, Because I know a lot of 470 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: and SF guys are the same way anyone who writes 471 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: a book. Everyone's first reaction it's a negative one. But 472 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, you were close to a lot of people, 473 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: obviously Brandon being one of them. But after they read 474 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: your books, what was the reaction with that after the fact? Um? 475 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: So you know it hasn't been bad for me because 476 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: I think, again, my stuff's personal development. So you know, 477 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: there are seals stories, but I I think where people 478 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: get most the heat is when they're sharing war stories, 479 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and stuff like that. You know, 480 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: something like oh it didn't happen that way, or or 481 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: like why are you sharing that? And again I'm like, dude, 482 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: like come on, like people like and here here's another thing. 483 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: So I was I've been spared from that quite a bit. Um, 484 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: I think just because the nature of being in personal 485 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like everything I'm doing is to help a 486 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: human being identified their purpose in life and live it out. 487 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: It's like, how mad at me can you get? Like 488 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: like come on, but you know, here's another thing. Just 489 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: while we're on that topic. Those stories aren't ours to keep, 490 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: like we go out and have those experiences. Those are 491 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: the stories for Americans. Actually, there are the stories for 492 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: the world. It would be a shame not to share 493 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: those stories, write books, make movies, whatever, you know what 494 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, that's our history. Um, that's what happened 495 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: to us. So that's our recollection of what happened. But 496 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: those aren't those aren't you know what I mean? I like, 497 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: it's not even it's selfish to keep those stories to yourself, 498 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: like share them. Yeah, you know, it's funny. You almost 499 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: said word for word what my father fought in World 500 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: War Two, and I never knew even after I was 501 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: in the military. I was in SF I come home. 502 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: He never talked about what he saw. Now I know 503 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: he fought all the way across France into Germany, liberated 504 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: a concentration camp. I knew all that, but he would 505 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: never talk about it. It wasn't until he died that. 506 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, one of the guys that was in his time, 507 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: he was in armor units during the Second World War, 508 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: and one of the guys from his crew, uh came 509 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: to the wake and talk to my brother and I 510 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: and handed me a book that my father was was 511 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: like featured in and he said basically the same thing. 512 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: I said. You know, my father never talked about this stuff. 513 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: Now I'm going to read a book that he's in. 514 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: And he said, those stories belong to everyone, because you know, 515 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: when guys like your dad passed away, they're gone forever 516 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: and people need to know about him, good or bad. 517 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: We need to know about everyone's experiences. And I think 518 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: that's that's a good I know we're getting off the 519 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: topic here, but I just when you said that, it 520 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: kind of rang a bell in my mind, so I 521 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 1: wanted to mention that. But let's move on. Your you 522 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: have a webinar that's going on, and you know, again 523 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: personal development and can you talk to our listeners about that? 524 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So you know a few months ago, I 525 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: mean it kind of happened. It coincided with the whole 526 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: COVID thing, but I was already marching down this path. 527 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: But again, you know, five years as a seal sniper instructor, 528 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I learned a thing or two about performance um and 529 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: how I described it. You know, it's like I basically 530 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: just stumbled across the formula. And you know, I had 531 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: got like I said, I got out of military, was 532 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, four or five years later, I was like here, 533 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: I'll give you the whole story. Actually, so Buddy's like, hey, 534 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: what still fires you up? And I was just like, 535 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: whole crap. I like I knew I was done because 536 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: like nothing, you know, I I got sucked into that 537 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: kind of corporate, kind of meaningless world. I was just working. 538 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: I was a paycheck producing machine, you know what I mean. 539 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: Like I said, I just was just like not live 540 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: in life that way. And what I did was I 541 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: was just thinking, like, man, I've used kind of that 542 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: formula and the principles I was using as a sniper 543 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: instructor to train financial advisors, train other people like why not, Like, 544 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: can I just point that all at like living a 545 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: really good life? Can I point that at that like 546 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: life itself? Um? And then sure enough I did, uh, 547 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: and I I figured it out, and like, oh my gosh, 548 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: fundamentally speaking, training snipers or a sales team or training 549 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: snipers or yourself or a kid, if you are performing 550 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: at a high level, fundamentally speaking, at the core, you 551 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: have to be doing certain things, you know what I'm saying, Like, 552 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: there are things that have to be happening in the 553 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: beauty of having gotten to TODT Snipers for five years 554 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: at that's such a high level. I basically whielded it 555 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: down to like four or five things like, okay, well 556 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: here the you know, four or five core things that 557 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: you can apply anywhere. So what I did is I 558 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: launched a webinar um. There's three strategies in particular that 559 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: if you sequenced them together, uh, you can pretty much 560 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: get it all done. And you know, there's stuff I 561 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: do in my membership course when people end up training 562 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: with me and stuff like that where I take it further. Um. 563 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: And I just thought, like I gotta do this, I 564 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: gotta launch this webinar um so that people. Again, they're 565 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: not my performance secrets to hold on to the you 566 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I don't get to keep them. 567 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: So it's like I wanted to share it with So 568 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: I put it right on the front page of my 569 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: website and just made it accessible to everyone. And then 570 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: when I'm done, I invite, you know, invite people into 571 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: joining us that they want to take it further and 572 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: train with us. Um. But yeah, basically deployed the three 573 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: core strategies that I found not only impacted my ability 574 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: to train snipers, but allowed me to find my purpose 575 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: in my life and live it out in a very 576 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: powerful manner. So I just like, I gotta share it. Yeah, 577 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: because your webinar is free, and uh, you know, anyone 578 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: who wants to check it out. I encourage all our 579 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: listeners and our readers for software dot com to go 580 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: and check it out. It said, I'm I hope I 581 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: don't screw up your website, Eric Davis too dot com 582 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't screw that up. I don't have 583 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: it in front of me, but I thought I remembered it. 584 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: That's why I was. Uh, I was worried that I'd 585 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: forget about that. But before move on. I had to uh, 586 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I had to ask you a question. I did check 587 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: out your website last night. Um, there was a picture 588 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: of you sitting on a motorcycle, obviously in some kind 589 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: of Arabic country. When was that taken? That was actually 590 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: in uh, Northern Sudan. Um. And I was actually a 591 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: civilian then, so you were. Yeah, a strange, strange world, 592 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: just you know, like I'll tell you what I You know, 593 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: I grew up in again the suburb of San Francisco, 594 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: place called Foster City, and just surfing and doing my 595 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: thing thing and then you know something about you know, 596 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: enjoining the Seals, and you just lived that life. And 597 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: it's just I've never traveling around the world. Never was 598 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: occurred to me growing up. And now it's like I 599 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: can't stop it, Like what I keep hiding up? How 600 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: why am I in Northern Sudan? Like and there I 601 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: am on a gun range? You know? Yeah, yes, I 602 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: saw that picture and I was like, I wonder where 603 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: that's at. Because he's tooled around on a on a 604 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: a cycle. It has to be semi permissive, I would think, 605 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: but you never know. So and now the Sudan needs 606 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: are making peace with the Israelis, which is who would 607 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: have ever thought that? Right? Oh? Yeah, yeah, so many 608 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: things are changing in the world right now. People are 609 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna have to do People are going to have to 610 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: coordinate and cooperate a lot better if they're going to survive. 611 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Um and the ones that can't coordinate and cooperate, I 612 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: just don't think we're gonna make it, you know what 613 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean. I don't. I don't think it's gonna work 614 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: out for him. Yeah. Back to the webinar though, and 615 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: uh and again you talk about you have if people 616 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: want to take it a bit father, you have a 617 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: membership of course, where do you do you teach that 618 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: in California? Um So, it's odd online right now. So 619 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: basically what happens on that webinar At the end of 620 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: the webinar, I basically I I use it as another class. 621 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, now I'm gonna if you guys want 622 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: to take this forward on your own, here's how I 623 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: teach it to my members. Um So, I gave him 624 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: like a mini class, but also describing the program, you 625 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean, on how it goes. But basically 626 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: what happens is there's an online course that's self paced 627 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: UM where they can start learning all these the structures 628 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: and strategies and principles that I discovered when I was 629 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: a sniper structor and they can learn how to apply 630 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: it to life or any situation. UM. And then I 631 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: meet with my tribe. It's called Tribe two and five. 632 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: I meet with them live twice a month, UM and 633 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: then members of Tribe two and five, I also conduct 634 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: not during at the moment, but I also conduct excursions 635 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: throughout the year sea, air and land. So they're like 636 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: little mini seals, side style excursions. And it's members of 637 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: that tribe. They're the only ones invite it. So it's 638 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: not like a public thing. Uh. So you get a 639 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: mix of people. There's people like, yeah, I want to 640 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: get into it, start living a better life, get more aware, 641 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: get the stuff done. Some people like yeah, I want 642 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: to become part of a tribe, so I'm not trying 643 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: to do life by myself. So I'm getting some adventures, 644 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: some fund some fitness fun, you know what I mean, 645 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: finally going again, and um, you know a lot of guys. 646 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: I mean there's men and women, but we got a 647 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of men and they're just like man, A lot 648 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: lost I lost my bubble, you know what I mean. 649 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: I used to work out, I used to be in shape, 650 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: I used to have passion, I used to you know, 651 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: be after what I was after. And they're like a 652 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: lot of them share that same thing I said. They 653 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: became a paycheck producing machine, UM, and they're they're confusing 654 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: sitting around drinking with having a tribe, and it's like, no, 655 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: there's there's ways to be parts of people where you're 656 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: actually impacting the world and your in your own personal 657 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: life and doing it in a very powerful way and 658 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: drinking right, And how how smaller are these like what 659 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: you call the tribe? How small are the these tribes 660 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: that that are in your membership course? So it's it's 661 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: actually what I did is I started off with one 662 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: big group UM, and then there's a couple of options 663 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: when people registered, like they could become what i'd call 664 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: lifetime member, and then I separate that group into a 665 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: smaller group. So I continuously will segment groups UM by eyes. 666 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: But then I also have we also have a slack 667 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: channel UM where the entire tribe goes. And then we 668 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: helped them facilitate starting study groups and start building a 669 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: tribe on their own. So I think particularly unique about 670 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: what I do is as a trainer, I always found 671 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: it most trainers just kind of show off what they 672 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: do and and then people hope to get to be 673 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: like that. And as a trainer, I found it important 674 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: to actually transfer skill and capacity. So I want to 675 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: make people autonomous. So a whole bunch of what I 676 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: do is I help these people. I actually teach how 677 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: to build a tribe. I hope them identify um people 678 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: to bring into their world, and then I helped them 679 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: understand the practices to be in to continuously cultivate that 680 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: tribe so that they can impact one another. So I've 681 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: basically how I would describe it as I'm always trying 682 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: to work myself out of a job. So I want 683 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: the odds of people out there, because if you look 684 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: at the world, the middle will go away. Right. The 685 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: world was already competitive and dynamic before the virus and 686 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: now after it, and it's it was going that way anyways, 687 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: and now it's getting really competitive and dynamic. People are 688 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: not going to be able to survive by themselves, and 689 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: they're certainly not gonna be able to thrive or lead 690 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: anybody else through any of this by themselves. So I 691 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: want to create these but like these pods of people, 692 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: these small tribes, and basically I need them to live 693 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: a very good life so that they can inspire in it, 694 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: teach others, and not like on some multi level way. 695 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like they're out there, human beings, out there 696 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: doing this on their own now and inviting people into 697 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: their world and spreading it. That to me is peace. 698 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: When people's life, you know what I mean, when you 699 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: look at our enemies, it's like they don't want bad things. 700 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: They want a house, they want security, they want food, 701 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: they want hospitals. It's how they're they're going about getting 702 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: those things that's the problem. So if you increase people's power, 703 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: which is their time, money, energy, creativity, that will allow 704 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: them to get the good things that we all want, 705 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: but do it in a way where they don't have 706 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: to hurt somebody else. So to me, this is my 707 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: path to peace. This is to me, this is how 708 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: you stop a war ten years before it happens. Um, 709 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh no, that that was it. 710 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I was fine. I was fired 711 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: up there for a second. Then I thought that that's great. 712 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that it's fascinating stuff. And now 713 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: are you getting a wide segment of different people, like 714 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: different people with different professions coming into this I do. 715 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: I do it. It really started off with like high 716 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: level executives and entrepreneurs because I was doing really small 717 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: personal groups and like real high price points because you 718 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of have to get started in this world. UM. 719 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: But I didn't like, I didn't like the idea that 720 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't accessible to everybody. Um. And I remember it 721 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: was I went on kt L A news in l 722 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: A and it was talking about toxic masculinity and like, 723 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: why you know, I think some some kid had shot 724 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: something up. You know what I mean. It's one of 725 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: those deals. And and that's where this all came together. 726 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this stuff, like this performance principles 727 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: that I teach it, Like I said, it applies to 728 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: everyone in every situation. UM. So I would say for 729 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: the most part, what I attract right now are men 730 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: that are between the ages of thirty five and upboards 731 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: of two about sixty. But we have more women coming in, 732 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: more younger people coming in, um. And that's what I'm 733 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: after because again, it's when life doesn't work out, is 734 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: when people start getting selfish. It's when life doesn't start 735 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: like go the way they want it to go. They 736 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,479 Speaker 1: start losing hope. And when you lose hope, you start 737 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: getting angry and depressed. And that's when violence, you know, 738 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of bullshit starts happening exactly, And and it's 739 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: it's a snow it starts a snowball in the wrong 740 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: direction at that point, it sure does. And and you 741 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: can you can see the opposite that. So one of 742 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: the things that also drove me. It's like, do you 743 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: know what happens when a good person's life starts to 744 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,959 Speaker 1: work out? You know what I mean? You know, people 745 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: are like, man, I'm a hund percent pin just to 746 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: make the paycheck and get home great, So if I 747 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: work with them, I'm like, okay, well what if it 748 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: only takes of your capacity and now you have ten 749 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 1: percent to deploy somewhere else. Do you know what good 750 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: people always do the moment they have extra extra capacity, 751 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: they look outwards, They start looking around for other people 752 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: they can help. It's really quite amazing. It's when you're like, 753 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: why aren't people helping people? And and everyone's like, oh, 754 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: people should be more generous and everything like that. It's 755 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: like people should be more powerful. You give good people power, 756 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: and typically what I have found is that they take 757 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: that power and redeploy it to people that are less fortunate. 758 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: But they gotta have it, they gotta have the capacity. 759 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: If they're burning the candle at both ends just to 760 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: make ends me, they're not helping anybody. See now you've 761 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: already sold me. I'm sitting here listening to you. I 762 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: want to sign up for your program. Man. Good. Yeah, 763 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you take old 764 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: guys into your program, but I'm I'm ready, man, I'm ready. No, 765 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: I think that's that's just fantastic. And I didn't mean 766 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: that sarcastically in in any way whatsoever. I mean, um, 767 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: I think you're definitely onto something there, and I think 768 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Like I said, I wish that there was 769 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 1: programs like this around when I get out, because I 770 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: think I would have been ready for something like this. 771 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: But hey, I just wanted to thank you for taking 772 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: the time today. I know it was short notice, and 773 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: you know we kind of asked you on the fly 774 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: if you'd come on, and we really appreciate it. Um. 775 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: And again before we go. I just have to read 776 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: something real quick. If for those of you who would 777 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: like UH to get soft rep on your phone, you 778 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: can download the soft rep app and get all our 779 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: articles and UH podcasts, all the great content on there. 780 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: And we appreciate everyone listening, UM, and please, you know, 781 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: keep in touch with us, let us know how we're doing. 782 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: We always like feedback, good or bad, because that's the 783 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: only way we learned. So for everyone here, it's offer 784 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: a UH dot com and software radio. We want to 785 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: thank Eric thanks for taking the time today. This is 786 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: really awesome stuff and UH it's it was really a 787 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: pleasure in talking to you this afternoon. Awesome. You are 788 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: most welcome. Is my absolute pleasure. And thank you for 789 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: allowing me to share the things I've learned, UM and 790 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 1: get that message out there to other people that there's 791 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: a better way in another way. And UM, so I'm 792 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: always appreciative when I have an opportunity to share it 793 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: through your guys channel. So thank you, thank you, and UH, 794 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: like I said, I'll be checking that out of myself. 795 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: I think just listening to you, you you got me 796 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: soul man. So UH, you know, there's there's always a 797 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: better way to skin a cat and Uh, I think 798 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: you're onto something, you know, with people with personal development. 799 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough of it going on in 800 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 1: the world today. And you know, I was intrigued when 801 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: I was reading this last night and M and I 802 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: look forward to checking it out some more. So thanks 803 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: again once uh for joining us today. Yeah, my pleasure. 804 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Take care all right, take 805 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: care you've been listening to self Repilya M.