WEBVTT - Nev Schulman Interview 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:13.640 Real celebrity join the Breakfast Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela. Ye, 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:15.720 shall I mean the guy we are the Breakfast Club 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.160 special guests in the building today. The creator a catfish, 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.360 creator of catfish goes by the name of NIF. Did 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.840 I say that right? Yeah? Yeah, I like that with 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:31.920 an fow knee. That's cool. Rapper from Philadelphia. You know, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.240 Aunce Camp announced something. Now, you are a creative catfish 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.479 right now, you could say that although I like to 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.800 joke that catfish created me, right because you you indeed 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.760 got catfish. That's right. You turned a negative into a positive. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.320 You could say that are you're going straight for the 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.120 inspirational stuff. This guy, God is great. This guy he 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.200 goes to sleep, he wakes up inspirational. Do you even 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.800 coin the term catfish? That's right? And so does that 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.040 mean anytime somebody uses it trademark? Yeah. In fact, I'm 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.080 keeping tabs right now. I've already said it three times, 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.280 so I just you have to promote it, that's all. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.160 You're doing a good job of that. So we're even, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.759 we're square. No, they're really trademark though. No, I don't 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.440 think no, I don't. I don't know that you can 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.440 do that, I mean I can. You can't. You can't 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.720 use catfish in regards to a show about online relationships, obviously, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.600 but it's a word now, it's in the dictionary, so 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.039 anyone can use it. I mean, the catfish, I guess 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.520 always existed. It's not right, in fact, yeah, I mean, 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.319 it'sund like we invented a new word. We just we 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.840 added a definition to the dictionary. That's what That's what 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.959 Rapp was doing. I mean rappers like whoa what has 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.600 always been a word? But now it means homies? Oh 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.000 really yes, instead of sorrow and depression. Oh oh wow? 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.160 Not so not like the exclamation woe, but like the 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.000 word who is in sorrow? Yo, No, it means woe 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.920 as in homies, like right, my woe. Wow, I'd use 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.840 my woes okay, but it's sure of course, right. I 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.520 have no idea what you guys are talking about. How 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.240 did you use the catfish in terms of being cat 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.720 fished down love? Well that was because we heard a 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.320 story when we were making the documentary Catfish about fishermen 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:08.160 taking cod from one coast to another, and well, I 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.760 guess it wouldn't make sense. Yeah, it was the h 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.160 from Alaska to China, and over the course of the 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.040 weeks in these giant sort of um containers under these ships, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.799 the cod would get lazy and so their muscles would 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.680 soften and they would become less tasty. And so some 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.679 fisherman was like, well, let's figure out a way to 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.560 fix this. So why don't we put some catfish in 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.320 the tanks with the cod, and the catfish will chase 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.919 the cod, keep them moving, keep them fresh. And in life, 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.320 there are people who do that. There are people who 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.600 kind of keep us guessing and you know, keep nipping 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.840 in our fins. And it's not necessarily a bad thing, 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.240 but without them, life would be a little or a 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.040 lot less interesting. Wow, Now, what's this I heard about 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.800 you being in a relationship with a dolphin? Speaking of 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:52.000 all the fish, we want to talk about that? Yeah, well, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.720 so I went to a really cool facility where they 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:01.960 study and train dolphins, and yeah, yeah, and that's funny, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.200 I guess I am. Although you know, dolphins are mammals, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.919 they're not fish. Okay, it's on the water exactly, that's 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.320 exactly right. In fact, they're they're very very smart. I mean, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:13.720 I know everyone sort of knows that but I was 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.000 amazed to learn just how smart they are people manage 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.120 you were taking a picturel War. Well, you know, because 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.720 I understand and I agree to a large extent that no, 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.360 no animals should be in captivity. Um. However, I just 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.880 feel like certain people do really good things with animals, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.960 and some people do bad things. This is a place 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.679 that does really great work with dolphins and educating people 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.800 about them, like myself, so that now I can go 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:40.280 and be an advocate on behalf of dolphins everywhere the dolphins. Hold. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.840 That's something people do you know? No, no, no, no, no no, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.800 that's It's true. Dolphins are one of the only other 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.520 few mammals that have sex for pleasure. Really, that's a 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.680 known fact. And I did not have I want to 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.720 make it very clear, I did not have sephin um. No, 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:01.440 but there there is a strange unity of people that 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:05.160 do engage in sexual activity with dolphins. Really. Yes, this 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.840 I did not study this. I've just heard about it, um. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.480 And I think it was even rumored that pirates and 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.760 semen back in the day when they spent months and 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.279 months as well, spending months and months out on the 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.919 open seas, if they came across a dolphin because it 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.640 was mostly men on board. You know that that was 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.720 the closest I guess they could get to some poom 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.560 poom poom Is that the term? Yeah, well no, technically 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:36.479 not poo. Well yeah, you think, I think animal even 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.320 know they're in captivity though, like with dolphins, let me 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.039 get to be in the water, and you know, I 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.680 mean it's a good question question. Yeah, sure, sure, No 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:48.039 more never got with dolphins, okay, real yeah, man, I 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.960 mean you don't have to ask me. Charlemagne will tell 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.560 you rather that's true. No, believe it becase I worked 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.120 for MTV that they think I'm lying. But catfish is 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.240 I think, yeah, three hundred and sixty percent? What is 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.160 that three? It's a large percentage of realness, isn't it? 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:09.640 Three hundred and eighty degrees sixty? Sorry? Right, okay, No, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.320 you know what's interesting. I mean, look everybody's You see 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.880 things on TV and you assume that there's production behind 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.400 it and that people are told what to do and 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.560 things are reshot. And that's because in many cases it's 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.200 the way it is. I mean, people aren't necessarily always 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.680 as interesting as as we make them look on television. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.880 But but what's great about my show, and what I 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.520 think makes it different and certainly more valuable as a 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.960 kind of cultural conversation, is that we're not making this 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.080 stuff up. People are doing these things, they're living these lives, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.680 they're getting involved in these crazy situations, and we're just 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.600 turning cameras on and seeing, you know what happens when 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.400 we bring these people together. Finally, it happened to you. Yeah, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.479 it happened to me. So what happened? What was your story? 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.559 How did you get catfish? My story was that I 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.600 was living in New York. I was taking a lot 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.360 of photographs of dance, and I got a message from 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.279 a little eight year old girl who said she saw 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.120 my pictures on my website and was learning how to 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.919 paint and was curious if she could use my photos 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.680 as the subject of her little watercolor paintings. So I 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.000 thought that was adorable. Yeah, really sweet. So and then 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:09.839 immediately I got into the eight Well wait, so I 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.920 got a message from the eight year girl, No I know, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.760 and and I replied yeah, and then and then her 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.440 mom emailed me, and I was like, okay, cool, so 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.760 her mom knows that she's she reached out to me. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.720 Right with an eight year old girl. I don't, right, no, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.840 gre so right away it was very you know, so 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:31.080 it was kosher this tiger Oh man, I'm way behind. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.840 I just assumed you met Tiger Woods. No, anyway, So 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.480 we start corresponding and then we know, months go by 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.760 and I'm talking to this now eight year old girl, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.800 I'm talking to her mom, I'm talking to the babysitter. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.560 Everyone's fronting me on Facebook, and eventually I meet her 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.200 older sister, Megan, who was nineteen at the time I 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.520 was twenty three. You didn't meet her though, well, no, right, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.880 that's right. We became Facebook friends, all digital. They lived 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.960 really really far north in Michigan, like on the border 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.440 of Canada basically, and we start chatting and talking and texting, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.359 and that turned into phone calls, and before I know it, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.280 after like four or five months, I'm having this very 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.279 kind of flirtatious bone six. Well, not phone sex in 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:12.520 the traditional sense. This is this is the middle. No, then, yeah, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.280 the middle sister. Um, you know, we're talking about things, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.360 not you know, moaning and groaning, but we're no masturbation 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.920 on the phone. No, no, definitely not no. But we 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:28.080 weren't talking specifically about my penis. But we are now, um, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.239 so if you want to ask any questions, I'm happy 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.200 to answer them. But no, we were we were sending 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.280 each other some pictures. I wasn't sending like cell phone picks, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.480 but I had a friend who had taken photos of me, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:42.400 like artistic sort of nude portraits. Portraits. Yeah, well no, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:49.120 yeah it was. It was an artsy You had like 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.640 a rose in your mouth, like just exactly exactly, you know, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.920 there was shadows and light and you know, I think 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.080 there is some artistic nude picks. Yeah. In fact, you 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.520 guys will get a kick out of this. And it's 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.000 a it's a it's pretty embarrassing and funny. But in 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.040 one photo I was actually um covering no, no, no, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.800 I was covering my crotch region with a stuffed like 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.440 deer head, like a like ants and everything. Yeah all right, 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.160 yeah stag yeah exactly. All right. Anyway, So so finally, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.280 after nine months total of me talking to all these people, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.520 I was like, Okay, we need to go meet this 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.640 girl because I'm kind of about to fall in love 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.760 with her. I want to maybe see if there's something 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.240 real here, right, right, And so we went to Michigan. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.240 We we sort of showed up, surprised them, and instead 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.720 of finding fourteen different people whom I had been talking 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.160 to and g chatting with and emailing and texting, it 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.839 was turned out to just be this one woman. She 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.240 was I think, like thirty nine or forty, married with 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.800 three kids and had a lot of free time on 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.040 her hands, and it was sort of trapped in her 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.040 small town in Michigan and had dreams of being an 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.040 artist and moving to New York. And so she lived 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.280 sort of this this life out. How did she gave 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.760 you her address? Yeah, because we were sending things to 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.880 each other too, Like she would send me paintings as 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.120 the little Girl, and then I would send her like 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.280 a birthday gift and thank you, not like things like that. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.839 You know, she never right, because she really lives like 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.000 in the sticks, Like you must have had nothing to 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.040 do to be communicating with fourteen different people. I was 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.040 a free time. Yeah, thank you for pointing that out. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:24.680 I was also, um, you know, searching soul searching than yeah, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.840 I mean, look really, you know it was so I 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.560 met her. It was very interesting and emotional, and rather 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.240 than getting upset and you know, sort of I guess 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.520 what would be the right term for that, like, uh, 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.480 swowing someone up or I don't know if yeah, right, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.960 blowing up her spot. Um. I listened to what she 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.160 had to say. We we were very compassionate. She had 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.840 an interesting story. She turns out she married her husband 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.720 who had two very very sick mentally handicapped twin sons 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.800 who weren't expected to live this long. But now they're 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.040 in their teenage, their teenagers, and she takes care of 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.000 them full time. So she had to give up her career. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.400 And she just has this incredible story. So we put 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.280 it on into a film, and the film came out 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.160 and people saw it, and then I started getting emails 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.439 from other people who were getting crazy stories like mine, 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.000 And that's how we got here. Did you highlighted the og? 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.600 Bob Pittman? One cut? That's right? And what happened? Well, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.520 I don't know how how does Bob Pittman come into this? 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:22.160 Didn't you? Oh, you're right, you're right? It was? It was? 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.920 Was it? Yeah? It was? Well, so my my parents, No, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.439 Bob Pittman from New York, from some social sort of circles. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:35.920 I guess scene, Well, you didn't, No, I didn't and uh. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.240 And then when we had a rough cut of the film, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.200 we were trying to get it to other filmmakers to 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.200 find producers, and the Pittman's put us in touch with 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.120 the Direcks, who are friends of theirs, and Andrew Direci, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.200 along with his friend Mark Smirling, made a great documentary 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.600 called Capturing the Freedman's Um, which you should all see. No, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.720 that's funny, No, it's not um. And so when they 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.560 saw the rough cut, they were like, wow, we love this. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.559 We want to work with you guys. Wow. Now one 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.480 thing I noticed, you know, doing the shows, you really 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.960 care about these people that are being catfished. Why the 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.720 people who are being catfished? I think I care about 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.960 both sides equally. Well, he was in the middle, but 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.840 he understand right, he being cafish but also cats about 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.839 the people that are doing the catfish. He cares about people. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.760 I guess I do care about people. I mean, I'm 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.480 very interested in people. I've I'm fascinated by just the 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.240 decisions we make, the mistakes we make, and how we 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.720 turn those decisions and mistakes. And he's get something good. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.720 It's fascinating, Like man tie tail. We were fascinated by 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.200 that story. They took you all show to another level. Yeah, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.240 that was crazy. That was crazy because you're like, in 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.600 real life, this is not somebody that you would think 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.079 has a problem meeting women. And you know, then next 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.760 thing you know, he's doing all the stuffy as his 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.199 fake girlfriend a hope. Right, Well, that's that's the thing. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.079 I think a lot of people have secrets, and it's 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.160 not necessarily bad secrets, but we have issues we deal 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.040 with that we don't want people to know about. And 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.200 so I don't I'm not going to speak to Manti Tail, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.040 but I know that on the show, a lot people 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.920 oftentimes are questioning their sexuality. They're not sure how to 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.760 deal with their feelings, and so they go online because 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.679 it's this sort of safe place to try things out 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.199 and to meet people and pretend you're something else or 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.000 talk in a way you wouldn't talk in real life, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.280 and that ends up being what sadly causes a lot 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.319 of relationships to get off on the wrong foot, and 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.800 you know, also keeps me that harder now with people 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:30.080 that can video chat and you know, skype, because now 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.400 it seems like with the exposure of all this happening 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:34.800 people will be like, Okay, I'm not trying to get catfished. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.960 I need you to get on you know, eyechat right now, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.679 get on a video chat. Let's talk. Because I don't 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.599 believe this. I agree. I have nothing to say in 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.079 disagreement with you. It should should not be happening anymore. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.280 But amazingly people are so I guess, lonely and desperate 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.000 that they're willing even now with all the technology, we 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.720 have to engage in a relationship for an extended period 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.280 of time with someone without proof that they are that person. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:05.400 Prove that you're wowmember, right, y'all were with me in 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.280 Milwaukee when we met Miracle and we were there for 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.679 the V one hundred point seven in a breastry party 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.960 and she had my faith on a T shirt. Can't 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.760 script that kind of that was? That was crazy? No, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.600 I never I've seen it, but I thought it was shake. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.360 But now I'm gonna start watching them because I always 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.839 thought it was fake. I was like, no, no, really, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.079 Now there's are real stories. Remember we met miracles and 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.880 then and then crazy coincidence he comes to co host 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.439 an episode with me and the person were trying to 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.000 help is miracle? It was it was kind of was. Yeah. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.079 Now I saw someone that you said ten years ago 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.480 that you were more honest. Do you wish you were 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.120 more on? Yes? That's right. What do you wish you 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.720 were honest about? Oh? Man, I mean everything? I mean, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.000 I just think you weren't the one doing the catfishing though, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.800 No I wasn't. That's true. Um, But I mean I 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.079 don't know. I mean, how many people can say that 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.160 they're completely honest with themselves and the people they love 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:04.720 all the time. Nobody? Charlaman hands up? Definitely, what question right? 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.040 But I think if you get older, you become hopefully 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.520 more and more honest. I think that you're lying if 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.640 you think that you're honest all the time about everything. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.199 I am. That's the only way you have to have 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.439 self away? Or do you all? You have to be 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.400 honest with yourself in order to be honest with other people, 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:19.800 you have to have death self away. I agree, And 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.280 I think, and I don't know, you're probably I would 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.040 like to believe you that you're completely honest. But I 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.200 can tell that what makes you charming and successful is 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:32.320 your ability to just say things have charming again? Please, Oh, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:37.160 I'm sorry, but I know that's not your father used 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.360 to always tell me. Your father used to say that 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.400 if you're lying, you think you're lying other people, what 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.520 you're really lying to yourself. True, right, But I think 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:46.600 it's it's definitely true that the more honest someone is, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.360 the more interesting and sort of captivating they are. I mean, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.360 we all wish we could just tell the truth all 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:54.640 the time and say how we feel. And when you 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.360 see someone who's doing that, it's intoxicating, it's like wow. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.640 But then there would be no catfish exactly. People. Honest, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.040 I'm willing to I'm willing to give up my hit 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.320 television serious in exchange for honesty, you know, in the world. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.920 If that's the trade, I'm happy to make it. Not 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.000 speaking of trade, you and Max, I'm asking this for 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.920 the people because okay, yes, that's right what it is 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:20.800 and lovers, that's right. No, No, thank you for clearing 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.040 that up. You know, it's amazing. You know, it's amazing 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.880 people really think that, Like I had I took an 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.240 uber yesterday and and the guy was his boyfriend. No, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.240 And well, first of all, everyone just always asks me 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.760 where's Max, Like somehow I should just we're attached at 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.480 the hip they do have to me about this guy? 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.560 Oh yeah, yeah, like where's your friend? Where's your friend? Together? 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.240 They sleep on the matches together in the corner. One time, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.080 is there a nap? One time over there put a 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.520 girl on his mattress. It was nothing over there in 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.200 the corner there. Okay, the mattress is going because it 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.400 was blood all over, blood on it. Yeah, blood on 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.000 my matches. And who can tell me? So I put 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.160 left cowfiel on my matches. Oh my goodness it I 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.960 did not taste you. So technically the period blood catfish envy. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.000 He thought it was called that's right, it definitely catfish me. Wow. Anyway, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.040 so in the uber and this guy was from I 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.400 think Guatemala or Ecuador, I can't remember. And um, he's 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.640 got his own like web streaming thing and he's he 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.480 thinks he's the celebrity, he's this week guy. Um, and 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.880 he's asked me lots of questions about production. And then 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.400 he's like, oh yeah, and you know a lot of 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.240 people think you and your your friend are are gay. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.720 Do you want to you know, answer, yeah, do you 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:28.800 want to clear that up? And I was like, why 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:33.600 do you why do people think? Yeah, because we got 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:34.880 out of the cabin, he turned you've got he got 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.200 his camera out, and he like did a little on 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.320 the street. Yeah. Um, but it's amazing to me. I 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:40.640 don't know. I mean, I guess if you see two 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.600 guys friendly with each other, people just love to gossip, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.960 it's like, oh man, they're they they're friends. They must 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:54.200 they must be gay. You guys, we've never kissed, Never 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.240 on the mouth, that's the rule. He can kiss me 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.600 anywhere else. It's always all in one hotel room with 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.560 no double baby. We don't share. We did season one, 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.760 I think maybe once or twice, which is probably why 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.439 the rumor started. Have you ever cried during an episode 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:12.200 of Catfish during filming? No? Nothing, I felt like here. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.359 I mean, I've been very emotional. What do you think 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.120 was the most emotional one for you? Um, you threw 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.160 that guy's phone in the river? Well, that was right, 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.520 that was very impulsive and I got like heated, right, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.240 But I think maybe the most emotional Actually, really recently, 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.800 we met a girl. This episode hasn't aired yet, we 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:33.320 just filmed it, but um, who was so sort of 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:39.280 manic and intense and like a like a Frankenstein creation. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.040 If you were to try if you were to take 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:47.760 Miley cyrus um TMZ and let's see something else like 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.600 world star. I was gonna say world star, but she's not. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.880 She doesn't have any like ghetto. She's not ghetto Miles 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:59.040 Ciris tmz and basically have a love child is she anyway? 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.240 This is a girl that's like created her entire personality 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.960 and energy based on getting attention. And she's so disconnected 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.240 from her feelings. Yeah, and Kardashian's exactly perfect. Um, she doesn't. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.400 She doesn't think she can feel anything. She just wants 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.000 attention and she'll do whatever she has to do to 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.240 get it. And she just she thinks she's an expert 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.119 at the Internet, and she's addicted to the Internet and 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.639 that's and that her whole life is like likes on 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.639 Facebook and matching with hot guys on Tender, like that's what. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.359 That's all that matters to her. Well, right, except they 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.760 they I think most people still have like a balance, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.120 They have some understanding that that's not real life, that's 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.359 my social media, right, and they still have interests in 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.600 pursuits outside of that. This girl is like one hundred 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.680 percent that's all that matters in the world. And so 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.920 I was really fascinated and also kind of saddened and 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.000 just got really involved with with her. I was just 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.560 so curious to try and get inside of her her head, 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:57.800 So I mean, and then you know, there are other 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.920 times like with that Antoine and episode with um that 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.560 guy in Cincinnai with the long hair, remember him and 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.080 his cousin Carmen, And she was really mean and proud 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:09.840 that she had catfished her cousin for three years and 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.080 broken his heart. And I was just really they cut it. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:13.840 I had to cut a lot out of that. The 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.399 guy you sitting next to is actually catfishing somebody right now. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.520 He keeps talking about this, He keeps he keeps saying 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.200 it's happening. Ye, me and a definitely catfishing a friend 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.160 of us. You I didn't know this. He's very disappointed 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.200 because the girl hadn't responded to him in a long time. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.560 Does he keep reaching out? Does he keeps We're get back? Well, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.600 he can't say it because then you should film it. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.159 May might fight you. That's not very honest. Do you 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.120 ever worry about that though? Somebody fighting? You remember stabbed? 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.879 I know well that it was fake. Really, Yeah, they 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.920 said I don't know, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:56.520 not worried, clearly from from my right black guy's health. Well, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.960 you guys have security. We have a security guard with us, 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.879 which I didn't see. By the way, I don't see either, Okay. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.440 I was like, when did that happen? No, I know. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.280 And they're always I always say like, hey, if they're 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.720 in the car down the street and something happens, it's 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.040 not gonna do us any good because by the time 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.399 it's over, right, by the time they get over here, 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.480