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Speaker 1: Real celebrity join the Breakfast Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela. Ye,

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Speaker 1: shall I mean the guy we are the Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: special guests in the building today. The creator a catfish,

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Speaker 1: creator of catfish goes by the name of NIF. Did

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Speaker 1: I say that right? Yeah? Yeah, I like that with

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Speaker 1: an fow knee. That's cool. Rapper from Philadelphia. You know,

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Speaker 1: Aunce Camp announced something. Now, you are a creative catfish

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Speaker 1: right now, you could say that although I like to

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Speaker 1: joke that catfish created me, right because you you indeed

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Speaker 1: got catfish. That's right. You turned a negative into a positive.

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Speaker 1: You could say that are you're going straight for the

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Speaker 1: inspirational stuff. This guy, God is great. This guy he

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Speaker 1: goes to sleep, he wakes up inspirational. Do you even

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Speaker 1: coin the term catfish? That's right? And so does that

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Speaker 1: mean anytime somebody uses it trademark? Yeah. In fact, I'm

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Speaker 1: keeping tabs right now. I've already said it three times,

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Speaker 1: so I just you have to promote it, that's all.

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Speaker 1: You're doing a good job of that. So we're even,

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Speaker 1: we're square. No, they're really trademark though. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think no, I don't. I don't know that you can

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Speaker 1: do that, I mean I can. You can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: use catfish in regards to a show about online relationships, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but it's a word now, it's in the dictionary, so

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Speaker 1: anyone can use it. I mean, the catfish, I guess

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Speaker 1: always existed. It's not right, in fact, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it'sund like we invented a new word. We just we

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Speaker 1: added a definition to the dictionary. That's what That's what

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Speaker 1: Rapp was doing. I mean rappers like whoa what has

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Speaker 1: always been a word? But now it means homies? Oh

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Speaker 1: really yes, instead of sorrow and depression. Oh oh wow?

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Speaker 1: Not so not like the exclamation woe, but like the

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Speaker 1: word who is in sorrow? Yo, No, it means woe

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Speaker 1: as in homies, like right, my woe. Wow, I'd use

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Speaker 1: my woes okay, but it's sure of course, right. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea what you guys are talking about. How

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Speaker 1: did you use the catfish in terms of being cat

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Speaker 1: fished down love? Well that was because we heard a

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Speaker 1: story when we were making the documentary Catfish about fishermen

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Speaker 1: taking cod from one coast to another, and well, I

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Speaker 1: guess it wouldn't make sense. Yeah, it was the h

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Speaker 1: from Alaska to China, and over the course of the

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Speaker 1: weeks in these giant sort of um containers under these ships,

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Speaker 1: the cod would get lazy and so their muscles would

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Speaker 1: soften and they would become less tasty. And so some

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Speaker 1: fisherman was like, well, let's figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: fix this. So why don't we put some catfish in

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Speaker 1: the tanks with the cod, and the catfish will chase

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Speaker 1: the cod, keep them moving, keep them fresh. And in life,

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Speaker 1: there are people who do that. There are people who

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Speaker 1: kind of keep us guessing and you know, keep nipping

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Speaker 1: in our fins. And it's not necessarily a bad thing,

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Speaker 1: but without them, life would be a little or a

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Speaker 1: lot less interesting. Wow, Now, what's this I heard about

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Speaker 1: you being in a relationship with a dolphin? Speaking of

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Speaker 1: all the fish, we want to talk about that? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: so I went to a really cool facility where they

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Speaker 1: study and train dolphins, and yeah, yeah, and that's funny,

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Speaker 1: I guess I am. Although you know, dolphins are mammals,

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Speaker 1: they're not fish. Okay, it's on the water exactly, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly right. In fact, they're they're very very smart. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know everyone sort of knows that but I was

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Speaker 1: amazed to learn just how smart they are people manage

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Speaker 1: you were taking a picturel War. Well, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I understand and I agree to a large extent that no,

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Speaker 1: no animals should be in captivity. Um. However, I just

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Speaker 1: feel like certain people do really good things with animals,

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Speaker 1: and some people do bad things. This is a place

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Speaker 1: that does really great work with dolphins and educating people

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Speaker 1: about them, like myself, so that now I can go

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Speaker 1: and be an advocate on behalf of dolphins everywhere the dolphins. Hold.

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Speaker 1: That's something people do you know? No, no, no, no, no no,

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Speaker 1: that's It's true. Dolphins are one of the only other

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Speaker 1: few mammals that have sex for pleasure. Really, that's a

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Speaker 1: known fact. And I did not have I want to

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Speaker 1: make it very clear, I did not have sephin um. No,

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Speaker 1: but there there is a strange unity of people that

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Speaker 1: do engage in sexual activity with dolphins. Really. Yes, this

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Speaker 1: I did not study this. I've just heard about it, um.

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Speaker 1: And I think it was even rumored that pirates and

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Speaker 1: was mostly men on board. You know that that was

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Speaker 1: the closest I guess they could get to some poom

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Speaker 1: poom poom Is that the term? Yeah, well no, technically

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Speaker 1: know they're in captivity though, like with dolphins, let me

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Speaker 1: mean it's a good question question. Yeah, sure, sure, No

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Speaker 1: more never got with dolphins, okay, real yeah, man, I

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Speaker 1: mean you don't have to ask me. Charlemagne will tell

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Speaker 1: you rather that's true. No, believe it becase I worked

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Speaker 1: for MTV that they think I'm lying. But catfish is

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, three hundred and sixty percent? What is

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Speaker 1: that three? It's a large percentage of realness, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Three hundred and eighty degrees sixty? Sorry? Right, okay, No,

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Speaker 1: you know what's interesting. I mean, look everybody's You see

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Speaker 1: things are reshot. And that's because in many cases it's

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Speaker 1: the way it is. I mean, people aren't necessarily always

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Speaker 1: as interesting as as we make them look on television.

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Speaker 1: But but what's great about my show, and what I

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Speaker 1: think makes it different and certainly more valuable as a

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Speaker 1: kind of cultural conversation, is that we're not making this

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Speaker 1: stuff up. People are doing these things, they're living these lives,

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Speaker 1: they're getting involved in these crazy situations, and we're just

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Speaker 1: turning cameras on and seeing, you know what happens when

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Speaker 1: we bring these people together. Finally, it happened to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it happened to me. So what happened? What was your story?

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Speaker 1: How did you get catfish? My story was that I

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Speaker 1: was living in New York. I was taking a lot

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Speaker 1: of photographs of dance, and I got a message from

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Speaker 1: a little eight year old girl who said she saw

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Speaker 1: my pictures on my website and was learning how to

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Speaker 1: got a message from the eight year girl, No I know,

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Speaker 1: it was kosher this tiger Oh man, I'm way behind.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's fronting me on Facebook, and eventually I meet her

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Speaker 1: older sister, Megan, who was nineteen at the time I

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Speaker 1: was twenty three. You didn't meet her though, well, no, right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. We became Facebook friends, all digital. They lived

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Speaker 1: to answer them. But no, we were we were sending

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Speaker 1: like artistic sort of nude portraits. Portraits. Yeah, well no,

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Speaker 1: sort of this this life out. How did she gave

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Speaker 1: And she just has this incredible story. So we put

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Speaker 1: And that's how we got here. Did you highlighted the og?

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Speaker 1: Bob Pittman? One cut? That's right? And what happened? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how how does Bob Pittman come into this?

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Speaker 1: Didn't you? Oh, you're right, you're right? It was? It was?

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Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah? It was? Well, so my my parents, No,

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Speaker 1: Bob Pittman from New York, from some social sort of circles.

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Speaker 1: I guess scene, Well, you didn't, No, I didn't and uh.

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Speaker 1: And then when we had a rough cut of the film,

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Speaker 1: find producers, and the Pittman's put us in touch with

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Speaker 1: that we get to make more of those, because I

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Speaker 1: really want to sort of dive into bigger issues facing

421
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: young people in America right now, like violence and politics

422
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: and things like that. So hopefully you're gonna do more

423
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: of that. But I'm also because of Charlemagne, I got

424
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: a podcast. Now. That week we spent together, you inspired

425
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: me to sort of start my own little radio show.

426
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Speaker 1: That's right. It's called I r L. It's actually yeah,

427
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: it's just called I r L, but it stands for

428
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: in Real Life and it's been airing every Thursday. I've

429
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Speaker 1: been talking a lot of catfish on there, and soon

430
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be transitioning into just sort of more casual

431
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: conversation like this, and people should check it out. They

432
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Speaker 1: can find on iHeart or SoundCloud or iTunes. You know

433
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: wherever podcasts live, So would you say they getting catfish

434
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: is one of the best things that ever happens here,

435
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: without a doubt. Yeah, And that's why I think part

436
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: of my message if people ask me my message, my

437
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: outgoing message on my cell phone includes um advice in

438
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: line of like, don't worry about screwing up or like

439
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: getting taken or making mistakes, because sometimes that's the stuff

440
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: that the best things come from, like the like even

441
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: though I was naive and I was sort of foolish

442
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: and I got duoped and it was embarrassing. Like if

443
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: you if you're ready to make something good out of it,

444
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: it could be the thing that changes your life, which

445
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 1: is why catfish are essential and in my case, very

446
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: very fortunate. Now you also got catfish one time when

447
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: you got into a fight. That is true. You're right now,

448
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: you're right. I got fight fished or something like that. Fish. No, no, no,

449
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: I took a photo. No, I was at I'm talking

450
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: about what made the story come out again? Oh right, right,

451
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: the whole that's right, And he was blametic. Bottles was wrong, right,

452
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: and then he got a lot of flag because right

453
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: I was speaking out against domestic violence and people did

454
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Speaker 1: some research because because the post that I posted was

455
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: like the most shared sort of viral post I've ever had,

456
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: so I got a lot of attention. And then someone

457
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: did some research and saw that there was a story

458
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: about how when I was in college, I got into

459
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: a you know quote fight with a girl, um, which

460
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: is something I've talked about and I had actually just

461
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: written about in my book. So it wasn't like I

462
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: was trying to hide it. But unfortunately the story online,

463
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, as told by the one side, was very

464
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: incorrect or inaccurate. But what had happened was I was

465
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Speaker 1: at a party in college and I was taking photos

466
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: totally sober for my party website. No, I was go

467
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: on taking them, and I at the time was very

468
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: serious about a like sort of social evening photo website.

469
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: I was going to parties and events and posting them

470
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Speaker 1: the next day. And so I was like, Oh, I'll

471
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Speaker 1: go to this big party on my school. Um, it's

472
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Speaker 1: it's always fun and crazy people dress up. It's like

473
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Speaker 1: sort of you cross dress at the party because I

474
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: went to a sort of weird liberal arts school and

475
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I didn't dress up. No, No, I was totally no,

476
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: I was regular dressing. It was called it's called Sarah Lawrence.

477
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: It's great, it's a liberal arts school. Wonderful, oh cool,

478
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: could be anything anyway. So I went to this party

479
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: where everyone dresses, you know, in very little and or

480
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: cross dresses, and I just went as a spectator, um

481
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: and I and apparently I was taking photos of someone

482
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: that maybe didn't want to. And I can understand that

483
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have been taking photos of everybody, but

484
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: crossing business. It's no. I can't understand that. I can

485
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: understand that, but but in my head I justified, like, no,

486
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm taking great photos and everyone will enjoy them. And

487
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: I just thought it was it was young and dumb,

488
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: and I was probably being insensitive. But no, and so

489
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: and so someone wasn't happy with it, and so they

490
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: basically just out of nowhere. I get like sideswiped, my

491
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: camera gets pulled down, my shirts getting torn off, and

492
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: they're like trying to take me down. Oh my god,

493
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, what what do I do? I've

494
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: got this person I got jumped, right, And so I

495
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: turn and look and I see, you know, a sort

496
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: of short, stocky person with a crew cut and a

497
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: button down I'm like, this dude's trying to mess with me, right,

498
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: So I'm like trying to get them off and swinging

499
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 1: at them and like, you know, making some contact. And uh.

500
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: Eventually they actually got pulled off of me because I

501
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: couldn't get them off myself and I a few minutes later,

502
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: I discovered it was a it was a it was

503
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: a young lady, it was a female, got into a

504
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: fight with queenly Tiefer from set it off. He wasn't okay,

505
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: and uh, idea, but I didn't know it was dark

506
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: and came at me from the side, and uh, and

507
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: that's how I got catfish. Perfect logical reason to get

508
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: into a perfect said perfect anything. Right. She did? She did.

509
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: She pressed charges. I I got processed and understand you

510
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I got no, I got dismissed. The case. The case

511
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: got oh you can look it up. Yeah, unbelievable. You

512
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: weren't charge. I well, I was charged, but you weren't,

513
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: all right, I guess wasn't. I don't know what the

514
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: terminology was. She pressed charges, but they were never carcharg

515
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: just got dropped exactly. Okay, So think about dice. It's

516
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: it's not on my record, but I got kicked at school.

517
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: Imagine dicing some jeans, some tombs, t shirt, swinging on

518
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: you in the dark, or like that little bow Wow episode.

519
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: Remember remember Deep Pimping? Right, if Deep Pimping came up

520
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: to you at a club swinging like you, you knock

521
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: you knock her out right, right? I mean, you know,

522
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: plus seventy five pounds, so you gotta like you gotta

523
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: be concerned. I was concerned. We appreciate you joining us.

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00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: Very random and interesting things that have happened to here. No,

525
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: I know, well that's the thing, that's and that's why

526
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: my brother filmed me to begin with, because like, I

527
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: have a strange tendency to get into interesting and unusual situations.

528
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the first time, and it hopefully won't

529
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: be the last. What made you get the tramp spam bo?

530
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: That's not even a good that's not even a good story.

531
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I was. It was my brother got a tattoo and

532
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: I was jealous and thought, I want to get a tattoo.

533
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just I when I go,

534
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: I go big, and I was like, I'm just gonna

535
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: get a big tattoo. And this was like, this was

536
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: before it was right before they can look it up

537
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: with that one. It was. It was right before that

538
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: became a thing. Like it was thirteen or fourteen years ago,

539
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: right before every college girl in Florida had girl. I know,

540
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: I know, so this was. This was I you could

541
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: say I started, but but yeah, I know. It's it's

542
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous. I call it a champ. I call it

543
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 1: a champ stamp. It doesn't make it any better if

544
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: you want to. Because he got a hairy chest in

545
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: this pigure losing me. I don't mind it. I mean

546
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: I do have a very hairy chest. How can Yeah,

547
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's a regret. It's a it's a daily

548
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: reminder that you should think things through. I'm gonna get

549
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: it reminded with the butterfly. No that's not no, no, no, no, no,

550
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: it's not a butterfly. It's it's like it's like some

551
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: kind of tribally winged thing. It's not so bad. It's

552
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: just like I don't know what I'm doing. It's it's

553
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. It really flashed a camera just one

554
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: good time. Like if you google, Champ says Nive has

555
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: champ stamp. Yeah, it's no secret. I'm Hey, look, I

556
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: got to own it to mean. Oh, Parley d has

557
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: went too. It says here, oh yeah, eight male celebrities

558
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: with champ stamp. It's a champ stamp. It's a champ stamp.

559
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: What did it mean? That doesn't mean anything. It means

560
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: don't be an idiot. Think things through. We're going to

561
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: post it's a reminder the video. All right, Well, we

562
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you for joining us again, and uh we got

563
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: a new episode tonight at ten o'clock, and then next

564
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: Wednesday is the return of the Maxill Fox, So I

565
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are excited for that. He

566
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: is back, and you do not want to miss am

567
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: I doing I'm doing chapter with that night, that's right.

568
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: And Charlemagne will be on chat Fish with us next

569
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Wednesday too, so you don't want to miss that either.

570
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: Right after the new episode with Max, we got Charlemagne

571
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: in the studio for some more fun. All right, nive R,

572
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: you've said it right, there we go. We appreciate David

573
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Beckham has went also. Well then I'm in good that's right,

574
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: good company. My goodness is the Breathas Club Goodbardin Breathas

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Speaker 1: Club Goodbardin