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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Quote, I love my wife. I didn't cook my wife. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you heard me right. That is what David Vann said

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Speaker 2: in court in twenty thirteen. I loved my wife, he

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Speaker 2: said emphatically, I did not cook my wife. Okay, here

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Speaker 2: we go. Hello, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: This guy, David Vann's convicted of murdering his wife, then

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Speaker 2: try to convince the judge at sentencing it didn't happen well.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, the very successful restaurant tour comes

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Speaker 2: clean in a bid for parole, and he says, oh, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: I did cook my wife. Okay, like that's going to

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Speaker 2: help him get parole. Seriously, I cooked my wife. Let

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Speaker 2: me walk free. Okay, where did this whole thing start?

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Speaker 3: On?

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Speaker 2: The suggestion that Dawn disappears after an argument, leaving with

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Speaker 2: nothing but her Louis Vuitton bag, a mystery text listen.

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Speaker 4: Finally, a friend named Monica comes to police with a repeal.

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Speaker 5: What does it say? It says, I'm okay, I'm in Florida.

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Speaker 5: I'm starting over Pixie.

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Speaker 6: Pixie, which is the nickname that David gave Dawn, you're.

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Speaker 2: Hearing our friends at Perfect Murder, so starting over, joining

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Speaker 2: me an all star panel. Larry Altman, crime reporter Daily

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Speaker 2: Breeze at the time, now freelance journalist. He knows everything

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Speaker 2: about her disappearance from beginning to end. Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet,

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Speaker 2: now the star of Poisonous Liaisons on True Crime Network.

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Speaker 2: Chris Buyer's former chief of Police John's Creek, twenty five

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Speaker 2: years as a police officer, now PI and poligrapher at

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Speaker 2: Chris Bayer's investigations in polygraph dot com. Renowned psychologists joining me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Debbie Joffey Ellis, adjunct Professor, Columbia University at Debbie

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Speaker 2: Joffeellis dot com. Veteran trial lawyer Darryl co and former

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Speaker 2: prosecutor joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, and special

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Speaker 2: guests joining me. Down's brother joining me out of Burlington, Vermont.

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Speaker 2: Derek Pappen, Dawn's brother from Bradenton, Florida. David and her

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Speaker 2: sister Dana joining me from Gardena, California. To you, Dana,

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Speaker 2: do you remember that moment? When you first heard that

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Speaker 2: Dawn had disappeared, that she took off on her own,

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Speaker 2: a so called start over.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I do very clearly.

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Speaker 2: Tell me.

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Speaker 7: I got a phone call at work from Karen Patterson,

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Speaker 7: a close friend of Don's, and I met up with

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Speaker 7: her and her husband and found out the information from them.

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Speaker 7: And it was a Sunday night, late on a Sunday night,

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Speaker 7: and I immediately went to the Lamina shriff station to

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Speaker 2: Now, that's interesting when you learned this from a friend

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Speaker 2: of your sisters, you went immediately to the Sheriff's office.

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Speaker 2: Why what made you feel that she had something to

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Speaker 7: I would call it a gut feeling. But also because

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Speaker 7: of the timeline, they didn't reach out right away, so

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Speaker 7: it had been almost three weeks since anybody had seen her,

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Speaker 7: and that just was something that was She wouldn't do,

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Speaker 8: Immediately.

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Speaker 2: David, Dawn's brother. Do you recall when you first learned

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Speaker 8: So I do remember. So our mother passed away June

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Speaker 8: seventeenth that year when Dawn went missing, so July, August,

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Speaker 8: September seventeenth, she called me each of those days for

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Speaker 8: the next couple of days, I reached out and I

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Speaker 9: To quote what David said, it was basically the same

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Speaker 2: Larry Altman, crime reporter Daily Breeze at the time, now

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Speaker 2: freelance journalists. He knows everything about her disappearance from beginning

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Speaker 2: to end. You know, Larry, right there when we hear

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Speaker 2: the friend state she gets a text and down signs

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Speaker 2: at Pixie, which was a nickname given to her by

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Speaker 2: her husband, and a lot of people called her Pixie.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't they try it? Why didn't CODs triangulate it

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Speaker 10: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 11: They didn't seem to be too concerned at the beginning.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that text was misspelled. The text from Don's

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Speaker 11: friend made no mention. The text to Donstan made no

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Speaker 11: mention of the fact that the friend had just been

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Speaker 11: diagnosed with cancer. I don't think at the beginning anyone

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends. Investigators speaking to other

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Speaker 2: of Don's co workers and acquaintances.

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Speaker 4: As the investigation continues, cops talk to Don's friends.

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Speaker 5: Was she unhappy lately or.

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Speaker 2: Depressed more exhausted?

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Speaker 3: It's a tough business.

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Speaker 5: Did she ever mention like one to leave.

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Speaker 2: Or leaving all the time?

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Speaker 6: Basically back up what David says. They're really sure that

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Speaker 5: They run her.

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Speaker 12: Credit card, see there's any credit card history.

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Speaker 6: Investigators also check US customs to see if maybe Don

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Speaker 5: There was no sign of Don anyway.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, right there. That was good police for Larry Autman.

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Speaker 2: Larry on the case from the very beginning, checking to

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Speaker 2: see if she had taken a fly, checking the city

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Speaker 2: she had gone down to one of the islands, checking

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Speaker 2: her banking, her credit card history, but so far nothing.

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Speaker 1: So the cops are on the right track.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree, Larry?

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Speaker 13: You know, I don't agree.

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Speaker 11: Actually, I would check in regularly with the police and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting point. J Scott Morgan. I

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Speaker 2: that they're looking at her credit cards, they're looking at

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Speaker 2: They're speaking to friends, they're speaking to the husband, they're

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Speaker 2: speaking to coworkers, and that's what they should be doing.

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Speaker 2: So I disagree with Larry Autman on that, but I

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Speaker 1: That I don't know how seriously they were taking it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I don't know either, Nancy. And you know, when you're

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Speaker 14: get from police is, well, they're an adult, they have

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Speaker 14: you know, they can do whatever they want to do listen.

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Speaker 14: Even at the Medical Examiner's office, Nancy, we used to

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Speaker 14: get calls from people that would say, I'm missing my

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Speaker 14: husband or I'm missing my wife. I'm just calling them

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Speaker 14: Morgue to check if they're there. And you know, you

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Speaker 14: get so many of those calls after a period of time,

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Speaker 14: it kind of wears you down, and you're working on

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Speaker 14: other cases at that moment in time, stuff that you

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Speaker 14: have solid information on. So it's a very confusing position

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Speaker 14: to put investigators into.

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Speaker 2: The pap and siblings Dereck, David, and Dana here to you. Dana,

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Speaker 2: did it sound like something Dawn would do just go

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Speaker 7: No, absolutely not.

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Speaker 7: Attached together, they did everything together. She had never done

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Speaker 7: it before. It didn't make any sense at all. And

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Speaker 2: You know, that's an interesting point. And you're talking about

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Speaker 2: the husband, David, what about you? David pappend was don

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Speaker 14: Don was growing up?

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Speaker 8: I would say that Don was a free spirit. I

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Speaker 8: they were they There wasn't one without the other, and

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Speaker 8: very many circumstances. Yeah, he had we they were together

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Speaker 2: And it sounds like they were really dedicated to making

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it absolutely was. They The teamwork that they had

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Speaker 9: And like David said, they were always together, even through

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Speaker 9: the bad times, through the good times. To you anytime,

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Speaker 9: they always seemed to work things out. If there were

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, a confession reverberates across the country.

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Speaker 2: A Lomita restauranteur in a let me just say pathetic,

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Speaker 2: his case without a lawyer insisted he had been suffering

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Speaker 2: from hallucinations caused by painkillers when he told detectives he

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Speaker 2: boiled his wife's body and poured the liquefied remains down

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Speaker 2: dumpster a trash ben. At that time, he says I

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Speaker 2: loved her. Twelve years later, he appears in front of

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Speaker 2: a California Parole board panel and says he's remorseful and

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Speaker 2: therefore he should get early release. So the Ends comes

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Speaker 2: to court now twelve years later and says, Okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: I did kill my wife. Then I panicked and I

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Speaker 2: boiled her body. Okay, I've read the transcript and what

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Speaker 2: I've learned is very, very disturbing. He said, quote I

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Speaker 1: Know nothing where did.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing start? Larry Altman, Crime Reporter or Daily

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Speaker 2: Breeze at the time, you know, Larry, right there when

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Speaker 11: They didn't seem to be too concerned at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: If Don really has taken a trip somewhere, then police

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Speaker 12: They run her credit card, see there's any credit card history.

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Speaker 6: Investigators also check US customs to see if maybe Don

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Speaker 5: There was no sign of Don anyway.

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, right there. That was good police for Larry Altman.

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Speaker 1: But so far nothing.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know either, Nancy. And you know, when

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Speaker 2: Into the Papen siblings Dereck, David and Dana here to

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Speaker 2: you Dana, did it sound like something Dawn would do

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Speaker 11: No, absolutely not.

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Speaker 7: Attached together, they did everything together. She had never done

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Speaker 2: You know, that's an interesting point. And you're talking about

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Speaker 2: the husband, David, what about you, David pappend was Don

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Speaker 1: I mean growing up? What was her character?

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Speaker 8: Don was growing up? I would say that Don was

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Speaker 8: They were together ninety nine percent of the.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it absolutely was. The teamwork that they had together

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Speaker 2: Take a listener friend Dave Matt crime online dot Com.

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Speaker 16: The investigation into don Vienne's disappearance began weeks after she

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Speaker 16: Vanz tells police that Don wasn't home, says he takes

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Speaker 2: She was gone, wow too, Dana, David and Derek Pappen. Dana,

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Speaker 7: No, I believe they took it seriously. But when when

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Speaker 1: What about it, David Pappen, I don't.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they did anything wrong. And around that

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Speaker 8: Da da da da da. And without any evidence, like

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Speaker 2: Oh really, Derek pappened. Did do you believe the cops

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Speaker 9: No, I definitely didn't buying into this. She just just

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Speaker 10: You know that they didn't.

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Speaker 2: To you, Larry Autman, you're the only one. Although Dana

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Speaker 11: I just felt at the time that they took a

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Speaker 10: This is southern California.

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Speaker 11: You can't, you know, do anything without driving. And she

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Speaker 2: Well, now that you're telling me that you've completely turned

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Speaker 2: She left behind her car, I mean, for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 17: Some friends alert had dawns who filed a missing person's

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Speaker 11: I received a phone call from one of Don's friends

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Speaker 11: Well, the first article was just a basic missing person's story.

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Speaker 11: Why would he not call me back, and so I

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Speaker 11: And I'm sure, Nancy, you know that is a phrase

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Speaker 2: You know what, You're absolutely right, Larry Allman on the

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Speaker 2: your article, somebody else hears about it and the case

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Speaker 2: blows up. Listen, how did all this start? And why

439
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: now this case lay dormant until we reported on it,

440
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: and then suddenly cops appoint a brand new investigative team

441
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: and start reinvestigating the case. And now suddenly they've dug

442
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: out the bottom of the husband's restaurant.

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Speaker 18: Right, Nancy Well on October eighteenth, two thousand and nine,

444
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 18: is the last time anybody saw don Vian's Her husband

445
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Speaker 18: said that he actually fired her.

446
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Speaker 3: They got in an argument.

447
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Speaker 2: Bloke, the husband fires his wife from the family restaurant. Okay,

448
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Speaker 2: go ahead.

449
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Speaker 1: Right right.

450
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Speaker 18: Her friends claimed that he fired her that day. He says,

451
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Speaker 18: she just walked away, took a Louis Vauton bag with her.

452
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Speaker 18: That was the last time he saw her.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

454
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Speaker 2: So all this the case blows up after Larry Altman

455
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Speaker 2: publishes that first article. You know what that I recall

456
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Speaker 2: the first time I learn Larry Autman that he says

457
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: he the husband says he fired her. How do you

458
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: fire your wife?

459
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 11: Exactly. And what else was interesting was that Don was

461
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Speaker 11: replaced in the restaurant.

462
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Dana, David and Derek Pappin Dana, did

463
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Speaker 2: you know the husband had quote fired Don?

464
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 7: No, I didn't.

465
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Speaker 1: That's a surprise.

466
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Speaker 2: Good luck David if you try to fire me. David Pappen,

467
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Speaker 2: did you know that Don had basically been quote fired

468
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Speaker 2: from her own restaurant?

469
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Speaker 1: How do you do that?

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Speaker 8: Well? I did not know that. But funny enough, in

471
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Speaker 8: two thousand and four, I was working for David and Don,

472
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Speaker 8: and my dad's sister passed away. So Don and I

473
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 8: were in Florida and she said one of us needs

474
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Speaker 8: to go. I'll go, And I said, okay, I'll stay,

475
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Speaker 8: and man in the restaurant. Well, David stepped in and

476
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Speaker 8: told Don she was not allowed to go. So I

477
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 8: jumped in my car and I started towards the airport

478
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Speaker 8: because I was going to go. Don was going to

479
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Speaker 8: cover the restaurant. I got about halfway to the Tampa airport,

480
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Speaker 8: David called me and said, don't bother coming back. You

481
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Speaker 8: don't have a job, You're not loyal, blah blah blah,

482
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Speaker 8: and he fired me on the spot. And I was

483
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Speaker 8: driving or I was going to Vermont to bury my

484
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Speaker 8: dad's sister, so I do leave. He fired her because

485
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Speaker 8: he did it to me.

486
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Speaker 2: Yes, firing people, But I mean, I'm telling you, I mean,

487
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Speaker 2: you know, guys how much I love David. But if

488
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Speaker 2: he tried to order me around or fire me from

489
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Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing, he would, you know, you pull out,

490
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Speaker 2: put out an arm and pull back and up. That's

491
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Speaker 2: what I've got to say to that dark Did you

492
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Speaker 2: have any idea that your brother in law fired? I mean,

493
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Speaker 2: it's her restaurant too. How can you fire somebody, I'd say,

494
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Speaker 2: h E double L No, I'm firing you take the.

495
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Speaker 1: Patent turner pat the street and turn a corner.

496
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

497
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, it's it's weird to hear that and

498
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 9: all that, especially since she was the primary owner. She

499
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Speaker 9: couldn't give his licenses and stuff without her hope to

500
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Speaker 9: fire her.

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Speaker 8: It would just be.

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Speaker 2: Silly, guys, take a listen to a little bit more.

503
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Speaker 2: I followed the trail that Larry Autman sniffed out first.

504
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Speaker 2: Take a listen, Deborah. The recent information that we got

505
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: is that after our show Friday Night, cops have now

506
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Speaker 2: gone out and started reinterviewing people, interviewing friends. We also

507
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: learned about the possessions being thrown in a dumpster, the

508
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: jeep being towed away almost immediately after she goes missing.

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Speaker 19: About a week and a half later, Nancy, after she disappeared,

510
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 19: a friend of hers saw her husband's daughter and his

511
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Speaker 19: new girlfriend taking her stuff.

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Speaker 2: They were in a car.

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Speaker 19: They drove to the restaurant, took stuff out of the car,

514
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Speaker 19: and started throwing things into the dumpster allegedly. You know,

515
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 19: there was a few things they decided to keep, but

516
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 19: most of the things were just thrown away.

517
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're telling me that they basically went shopping

518
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: and the missing woman's closet. They kept some of her

519
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: belongings for themselves.

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Speaker 19: I have no idea if it was for themselves, but

521
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 19: they certainly did keep some things.

522
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Speaker 2: That's me talking to Deborah Mark.

523
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

524
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: In the Last Days, Convicted killer David Vienn's describes himself

525
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: as quote deeply remorseful.

526
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Speaker 1: And just sick by what he did.

527
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Speaker 2: I guess he was so sick he liked it his

528
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: teeth all these years. It's one of the single most

529
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: shocking crimes in the whole South Bay area.

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Speaker 1: In years and years, the.

531
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Speaker 2: Story behind Dawn's disappearance and murder has been hashed over

532
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: and over. Not only did this guy, her husband jump

533
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: from a cliff, seriously jump from a cliff when police

534
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: were closing in on him, his revelation about how he

535
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: tried to cover up the crime it's still stunning. He

536
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: had been married to Dawn for seventeen years before he

537
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: murdered her. He told all of the coworkers at I'm

538
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: Contemporary cafe his wife worked as a hostess there, that

539
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: she left him because he demanded she seek help for

540
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: drug abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. She

541
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Speaker 2: died a horrible death and then he boiled her body.

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Speaker 1: Where did this whole thing start.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course it aroused suspicion when her clothing and

544
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: some of her possessions were thrown in a dumpster by

545
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: her husband's new girlfriend. But that does not evidence make

546
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: While it certainly raised the hackles of the family, but

547
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: what about the mystery text.

548
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 5: It should relieve the worry from her friend.

549
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: But did it? And I'll tell you why. There was

550
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: a glaring problem with that text. The nickname Pixie was misspelled.

551
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Speaker 2: How often do you misspell your own name? Well, the

552
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: moment it's pointed out that Pixie is misspelled in that

553
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: mystery text, this is what happens. Take a listen to

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Speaker 2: the perfect murder.

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Speaker 13: We decided to take it to the next level and

556
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Speaker 13: do electronic surveyance. We had a whole camera facing the

557
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 13: rear of the restaurant. We had a GPS trackers on

558
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 13: David's car, and we also had undercovers that would go

559
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 13: into the restaurant occasionally for meals.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Larry Autman, a crime reporter Daily Breeze

561
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: at the time that Dawn goes missing. So investigators start

562
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: this electronic surveillance on David Vann's down's husband, including GPS.

563
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Speaker 1: Trackers, wire taps.

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Speaker 2: They even go under into the restaurant to eat to

565
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Speaker 2: get a sense of what's going on. But then they

566
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: fly out to see his daughter, Jackie. She had moved

567
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Speaker 2: back to South Carolina. What happens when they get there,

568
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Speaker 2: Larry Autman.

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Speaker 11: Well, while they are interviewing her, and I'll tell you

570
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Speaker 11: what she said in a moment, they are also utilizing me.

571
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Speaker 11: And they used me. They gave me a story which

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Speaker 11: was true. That and this is all going on. At

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Speaker 11: the same time, they told me that they had gone

574
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Speaker 11: into the residents where Donn and David had lived. They

575
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 11: found blood in there. They believed don was dead and

576
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Speaker 11: that there was blood, and that he was a person

577
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 11: of interest in the case. So I wrote a story

578
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Speaker 11: to put that out to the world. At the same time,

579
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Speaker 11: they're interviewing her, and during that of you, she apparently

580
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 11: admitted that her father had told her that he had

581
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Speaker 11: killed Doc.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend at forty eight hours,

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Speaker 2: Richard Schlesinger.

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Speaker 17: Did you tell them the truth?

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Speaker 3: I did? Yeah, I told them what happened.

586
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Speaker 17: And then she called her father to tell him what

587
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 17: she had done.

588
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: I said, Pops, they're looking for you.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they just came and talk to me, and

590
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 8: I told them what happened, so you know, beware they're.

591
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: Going to be coming for you.

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Speaker 20: It was an unanticipated extra stimulation, and that next morning,

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Speaker 20: February twenty third, twenty eleven, Van's saw Altman's story on

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Speaker 20: page one, I.

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Speaker 1: Smell a rat, Daryl Cohen.

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Speaker 10: Well, absolutely, you can smell a rat. But smelling a

597
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 10: rat doesn't mean you see the rat. Smelling a rat

598
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 10: doesn't mean the rat exists. What it means is it

599
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 10: gave you some reason to continue whatever superficial or investigation

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Speaker 10: you had. But quite frankly, the fact that this daughter

601
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 10: said yes, I said it and Daddy told me to

602
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 10: do it. She doesn't want to throw herself under the bus,

603
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 10: so she throws her dad under the bus. Does that

604
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Speaker 10: mean he killed don No?

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Speaker 2: And you know that's exactly why I like trying people

606
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: to gather co defendants. I'll let them boil in the

607
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: same pot because they always start pointing the finger at

608
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: each other. You know, when was it, Dana pappened? This

609
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: is John's sister that you found out? When did you

610
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: find out?

611
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Speaker 8: The daughter?

612
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: The grown daughter who high tails it back to South

613
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: Carolina says her dad told her to send the text

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Speaker 2: from quote Pixie and she misspelled the name.

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Speaker 7: I don't remember exactly how I found out. There was

616
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Speaker 7: a lot of information coming in at the time. I

617
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 7: just remember being really sad by it, really upset.

618
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Speaker 2: And you first learned that the sister the daughter David

619
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: Bean's daughter, David Pappen said she was the one that

620
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Speaker 2: sent the mystery text. I mean a lot of people

621
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Speaker 2: had pinned hopes on that text that your sister was

622
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Speaker 2: alive somewhere in Florida.

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Speaker 8: I knew that she was not in Florida because I

624
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 8: was in Florida, and she would have definitely reached out.

625
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Speaker 8: If she just left with nothing but a Louis Vauton bag,

626
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 8: she would have certainly needed some help. So I knew

627
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Speaker 8: she wasn't in Florida.

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Speaker 1: What about it, Derek, I agree.

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Speaker 9: With David, is just one more all over the sheep's side,

630
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Speaker 9: if you will, to everything that has happened.

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Speaker 2: At this point, police start digging in, digging in, so

632
00:37:54,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: right now the cops know something is horribly wrong. They

633
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: got a slow start on this investigation. Larry Autman was

634
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: beside himself trying to figure out what was happening. Finally

635
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: he lights a fire under the police rear ends and

636
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: the case is now in full swing and they start digging.

637
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend at forty eight hours,

638
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Speaker 2: Richard Schlessinger.

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Speaker 17: In two thousand and five, Vians was arrested for selling marijuana,

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Speaker 17: and it was not his first arrest. Manatee County detective

641
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Speaker 17: Randy Barnett and DEA agent Derek Pollock worked on the

642
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 17: Florida case.

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Speaker 21: He was convicted in Vermont for distribution of cocaine in

644
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Speaker 21: nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 17: The police sat Vans down and asked for his help

646
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Speaker 17: to break up the drug ring.

647
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Speaker 5: He was an agent stream to work with.

648
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Speaker 21: He returned calls, He was there for every deal that

649
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 21: we needed for him to be there for, and he.

650
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Speaker 10: Was on time.

651
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Speaker 17: Vans was sentenced to just one year in prison, and

652
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Speaker 17: in two thousand and eight he and Dawn headed to

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Speaker 17: Low Meter.

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Speaker 1: What, Dana, did you have any idea that Dawn was

655
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Speaker 1: dating a doper?

656
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Speaker 7: Yes, we found out pretty quickly that he had been

657
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Speaker 7: arrested and was awaiting jail time.

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Speaker 2: Holy moly, I mean in the big scheme of things,

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Speaker 2: with the cases that you and I have handled in

660
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Speaker 2: the past. Darryl Cohen thank god, we're on two different

661
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Speaker 2: sides of the fence. But I mean, you know, pot,

662
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: people don't even sneeze at a bag of pot anymore.

663
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: But this guy was convicted of selling cocaine. That's a

664
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: whole nother can of worms.

665
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: Then he turns.

666
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: A minute, then he turns into a snitch, a snitch.

667
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: He was such a great snitch, such a so convincing

668
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: as a snitch. They say he was a quote dream

669
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: ci dream confidential informant. He got a sweetheart deal one

670
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: year behind bars because he was such a great liar,

671
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: a snitch. You know, snitches get stitches. My son just

672
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: said that.

673
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 3: The other day.

674
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 8: Fancy what, Oh, come.

675
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 10: On, it was a project.

676
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 5: I hate it with all the time.

677
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 22: You have to because without those confidential informants slash snitches,

678
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 22: you don't make cases. And we don't know how much

679
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 22: cocaine he was convicted or he pled guilty.

680
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: Still sold it.

681
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 10: It might have been just a small amount.

682
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: If he sold from an ounce. There has to be

683
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: a brick somewhere, yeah, but.

684
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 10: Doesn't necessarily meet. It's in his hand, his house, his

685
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 10: place of business, or his car. He may have gotten

686
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 10: it from someone else.

687
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: He's convicted of selling cocaine and Dana. How much of

688
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: his history did you know about.

689
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 7: In the beginning, Not as much. It only took a

690
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 7: couple of years for more serious things to.

691
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 8: Come to lay.

692
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: All I know is if my sister were dating a doper,

693
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: I would try like hell to get her to break

694
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: up based on just what I know from being in

695
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: the crime business for so long. But whether Dawn knew

696
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: the full extent of his background, we may never know.

697
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: The investigation goes on. Listen to Richard's lessinger.

698
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 21: David Finns was now a person of interest when you introduced.

699
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 17: Yourself as Sergeant Garcia from the La County Sheriff's Homicide Division.

700
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 5: How did he react?

701
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: He immediately turned weight two.

702
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott, Morgan death investigator, professor forensics Jackson will stay, university,

703
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: author and TV star. Your resume is getting way too

704
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: long for me to say the whole thing. Joe Scott,

705
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: My question is why do people turn white? I mean,

706
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: I don't really completely understand why people turn red, but

707
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: I get that the blood rushes to your face. But

708
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: why do people I guess both of those. Why do

709
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: you turn red when you're embarrassed or flumox or your

710
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: face gets hot. But why do people turn white? Is

711
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: it the blood drains from their face?

712
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 14: Yeah, And that's a literary device that's been used for

713
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 14: years and years in the Nancy, this idea that you know,

714
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 14: when you turn red, you become flushed, you know, this

715
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 14: vascular reaction that you have. And conversely, this can happen

716
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 14: when you're faced with kind of a shocking moment. You know,

717
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 14: and we've heard this for years and years. People have

718
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 14: a sensation that their blood runs cold. I meantimes, have

719
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 14: you heard that over the years, And most of the

720
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 14: time it's almost like it's this physiological response to something very,

721
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 14: very troubling, something horrific. It's almost a promo response.

722
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: But I heard that his face drained white. I investigated,

723
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: and it brought on fight or flight. And that's not

724
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: just a term of speech. Listen, he said, I don't

725
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: want to talk about it here.

726
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: We need to leave.

727
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 23: He just kept saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I

728
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 23: kept saying, you know, how how could you let something

729
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 23: like this happen? And I was just like, I can't

730
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 23: believe he lied to me.

731
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: So I didn't hear that morning monitoring traffic it seemed

732
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: like the cop was right here.

733
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 23: I started, you know, like flagging him down.

734
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 8: We were just we were hauling.

735
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 3: I immediately pulled out behind them. He was going quite

736
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: fast and had no intention of stopping.

737
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 23: I remember coming up on this curve. That's where I said,

738
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 23: I don't want to die.

739
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: If there was any doubt about David Vin's murdering his

740
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: young wife Dawn, it doesn't end there.

741
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 23: He pulled right up to like right here. He put

742
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 23: it in park real quick, and he's struggling to get it,

743
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 23: and I'm trying to get mine off, and eventually I

744
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 23: grabbed onto him like this, holding on like this. I

745
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 23: grabbed onto his pants.

746
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: He's running towards the cliff's edge. She's grabbing onto him.

747
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: He's trying to push her away.

748
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 23: I'm running after him, and he's taking his clothes off.

749
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 3: He proceeded to this railing and began to climb over.

750
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: To the perfect murder.

751
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 6: David gets out of a car, runs toward the cliff,

752
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 6: climbs the fence, and jumps. Amazingly, David survives his eighty

753
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 6: foot plunge because he lands on his legs.

754
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's get real, why would.

755
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: He jump off a cliff if he did not have

756
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: a guilty conscience.

757
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 11: Right, And of course that morning is when the article

758
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 11: comes out at the top of the page that says

759
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 11: he's a person of interest, and that's what happened. He

760
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 11: immediately headed down to that cliff and jumped.

761
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: Against the odds. Detectives get word that David is awake.

762
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: Just three days later, Starry.

763
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 13: Get to Sea asked David Vianns why didn't he just

764
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 13: chop up the body?

765
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 5: And David looked at him and said, I'm a chef,

766
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: not a butcher.

767
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: That's what he had to say when confronted about the

768
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: murder of thirty nine year old Dawn Vian's I'm a chef,

769
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: not a butcher. That was from the Perfect Murder straight

770
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: out to Dana Pappen, Dawn's sister, When did you learn

771
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: about the horrific nature of David Viann's murder plot on

772
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: your sister?

773
00:45:54,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 7: The detectives actually went to Florida and met with my father,

774
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 7: my brother. They wanted to tell them in person, and

775
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 7: I was able to listen in horrifying is an understatement.

776
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 7: How do you targe up your head around evil like that?

777
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: To David pappened, this is Dawn's brother who was there

778
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: in Florida. Do you remember that moment that Dana's describing.

779
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, very clearly. What I remember is, you know, the

780
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 8: detectives did come out to Florida and talk to us

781
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 8: about the newspaper article Larry was going to write. And

782
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 8: then Dana called me that morning and I was at

783
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 8: work and she said, did you read the article? And

784
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 8: I got home and I breathed dot com and the

785
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 8: article that said the police found blood was not front

786
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 8: and center. The fact that he jumped off this cliff

787
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 8: was off friend center. So then I called Dana and

788
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 8: she was like, well, what are you talking about? And

789
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 8: I'm like, you need to go online and look. So

790
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 8: that is pretty vivid in my memory. And then as

791
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 8: things unfolded, you know, it was horrifying to think that,

792
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 8: you know, he would tie her up, put her in

793
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 8: the bathtub, gagged and you know, restrained to a chair.

794
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 8: You know, he says she was drunk and being loud,

795
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 8: but you know, to hear that, just that part was horrifying,

796
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 8: and then you know, to to do what he did

797
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 8: next with her body was you know, unbelievable, no words.

798
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 7: And that's something jump in I have a hard time

799
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 7: believing that that's what he actually did. I from what

800
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 7: I know about him, it's I don't know. I just

801
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 7: don't really believe that he could possibly have done it.

802
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 7: But that's just me and I wonder if we'll ever

803
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 7: really find out.

804
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, let's explore that. But to Derek pappen Down's

805
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: brother joining us out of Vermont, Derek, do you recall

806
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: when you finally learned what exactly had happened to your

807
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: sister Dawn?

808
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 9: I do here that Dana had texted me to you know,

809
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 9: check out the internet, so Daily Breeze dot com and

810
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 9: all that, and you know, I just knew right away

811
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 9: that it was obviously bad and all that, and you know,

812
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 9: listening to everything that's gone on today just speace volume

813
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 9: of his character and his attributes that he he was

814
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 9: always that big figure that you wanted to look up

815
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 9: to and and you know, almost emulate. But then you

816
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 9: know when when things come big kind of down, and

817
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 9: he was just a big donkey tower and you would

818
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 9: never want to look up to that.

819
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: Take a listen to what we learned from Richard Slashinger

820
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: at CBS.

821
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 24: I went ahead and put her into this antique steamer trunk,

822
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 24: and I took some gray heavy duty garbage liners that

823
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 24: I had in the closet. I put one over her,

824
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 24: and I put the bag over her, and I put

825
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 24: it down on another bag, and then another bag to

826
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 24: three bags back into the trunk. I knew I had

827
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 24: to go to work, you know, I ask people they

828
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 24: are working. So I put the trunk in the back

829
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 24: of my vehicle. I drove to work and I went

830
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 24: in and I put my head down, just started working.

831
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 24: Twelve forty five, the garbage truck came on and I

832
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 24: saw him enter. When I was a truck closer, I

833
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 24: went out seat with the toyota, I opened the back.

834
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 24: I took the trunk out of the vehicle. No one

835
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 24: was out there. Fortunately, i'd picked the three bags up.

836
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 24: I'd put him a dumpster, picked up a bunch of

837
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 24: the cardboard that was on the side of the dumpster,

838
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 24: and I threw him in on top of the dumpster.

839
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 5: On top of her body.

840
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 24: And I went back in there, washed my hands. I

841
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 24: just thought to myself, you're going to hell.

842
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 6: David.

843
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's the first true thing he said. If there

844
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: was any doubt about David Vin's murdering his young wife, Dawn.

845
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: There he is, he's speaking. That's his voice describing what

846
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: he did. Take a listen to our friends at the

847
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: perfect murder.

848
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: Boiling his wife in a pot.

849
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 12: As the body would be with heats up, begins to

850
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 12: fall apart. Over the days he was able to dispose

851
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 12: the body, the fat would go into his restaurant's grease

852
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 12: traps sta all night long. The next night he'd come

853
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 12: back after closing and bring her back out and start

854
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 12: the whole process again till she was completely gone.

855
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: Uh to Larry Altman, crime reporter daily at the time

856
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: that Dawn was murdered, currently freelance journalist. Apparently some people

857
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: still do not believe that the husband, David Van's a chef,

858
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: actually revealed how he slowly cooked his beautiful young wife

859
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: for four days, then hit her skull at his mother's

860
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: house after he killed her in a rage fit. I mean,

861
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: the cadaver dogs were brought there and they hit, and

862
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: they made a hit because the grease from her body

863
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: was poured down a grate in the floor. That is

864
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: why the dogs made a cadaver hit.

865
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 11: Remember one other thing. At the very beginning of this mystery,

866
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 11: Don's friend goes to the restaurant to confront David to

867
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 11: ask where is Dawn? And she finds David sweaty, agitated.

868
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 11: It's in the morning, and he's got a bandage on

869
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 11: his arm. To me, that means that he burned himself

870
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 11: in this process, and that's what was going on at

871
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 11: the time.

872
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: Larry Altman, freelance journalist. What do you think is the

873
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: most powerful evidence that not only did he murder Dawn,

874
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: but that he disposed of her body by slow cooking

875
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: her for days on end.

876
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 11: Well, I also wonder about the blood, and even though

877
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 11: the blood wasn't able to be used in court, I

878
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 11: still want to know what that blood was about. And

879
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 11: this is just speculation. This is what I believe. I

880
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 11: believe that, and I apologize to the family were saying this,

881
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 11: But I believe that he dismembered her at home and

882
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 11: that's why there's blood, or he killed her in some

883
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 11: other manner than he said that. It wasn't that he

884
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 11: tied her up, that he killed her in some other way.

885
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 11: And I also wonder how did he transport her body

886
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 11: to the restaurant to do this? And I always come

887
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 11: back to the Louis Vatan Bay and the whole thing

888
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 11: is just horrific.

889
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: In his interview with police, he stated he stuffed Dawn's

890
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: body and a fifty five gallon drum of boiling water,

891
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: keeping it submerged with weights and mixing what remained with

892
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: other waste before he disposed of it. He said the

893
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: only thing left at the end was her skull, which

894
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: he stashed at his mother's home. Now, a search of

895
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: the home turned up nothing, nor did an excavation of

896
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: his restaurant, the Time Contemporary Cafe there in Lomita. What

897
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: do you make of the recording he gave Larry Autman?

898
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: Do you think he truly boiled his wife's body for

899
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: days on end?

900
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 10: I do. I do.

901
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 11: I believe he did that overnight. Now, I don't necessarily

902
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 11: believe it was a fifty five gallon drum. I believe

903
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 11: that that was suggested to him by the detective.

904
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 10: That's what he used.

905
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 11: I believe it had to be something smaller because it

906
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 11: would have just been too heavy to keep lifting onto

907
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 11: the stove. And then I also believe that I don't

908
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 11: know where the skull is, but I do believe one

909
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 11: day it'll be found somewhere, maybe in the mountains. I

910
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 11: always believed that perhaps he was. He hid it somewhere

911
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 11: so it would be found.

912
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes many a tree word is spoken in jest. We

913
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: learned that the daughter Jackie Vans, stated that her father

914
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: used to joke about the best way to dispose of

915
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: a body, and her exact words, Darrel were, he's a chef.

916
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: He would joke about cooking a body.

917
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 10: Man, you can't make this stuff up when you joke

918
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 10: about it. And then he then later admits that that's

919
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 10: what he did. Whether it was a fifty five pounds,

920
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 10: a five pounds of two court, it doesn't really matter.

921
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 10: It certainly seems to me that he gave a wonderful

922
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 10: confession and admission. And I hope that his Miranda rights

923
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 10: were given to him before he made that confession.

924
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: Oh man, you're not kidding about that, you know. Joseph

925
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: Scott Morgan, could you explain exactly how what he's saying

926
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: now that he did to his wife could have physically happened?

927
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, And to go back to what Larry had

928
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 14: said just a moment ago. You know, after I've read

929
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 14: over this case now for some time, I believe with

930
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 14: Larry that he probably did performing dismemberment And let me

931
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 14: tell you what's really kind of chilling about this is

932
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 14: that the process that he used in disposing of Down's

933
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 14: remains is something that we actually use in the Medical

934
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 14: Examiner or slash corner world when it comes to remains

935
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 14: that we have that are decomposed and we're trying to

936
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 14: get to the bone, if you will. Forensic anthropologists use

937
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 14: this all the time. This is called rendering, and the

938
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 14: idea is it's almost like a crock pot. Do you

939
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 14: place the remains into this large vessel and you apply

940
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 14: low temperature heat to it for a you know, for

941
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 14: a protracted period of time. Sometimes it can be days.

942
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 14: And I have no doubt that what he saw was

943
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 14: actually taking place. That is, say, for instance, we're talking

944
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 14: about the rendering down of the fat, all the other

945
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 14: soft tissues the body that are being poured off. However,

946
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 14: this is what I believe the bone, I think there

947
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 14: would still be some remnant of that. I don't know

948
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 14: that he could successfully render down all of the bone,

949
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 14: particularly when you talk about things like the pelvis, the

950
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 14: long bones of the legs, because they're very robust. It's

951
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 14: interesting that he mentioned the skull because the skulls rather

952
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 14: robust too. I think that he still had to go

953
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 14: some distance to get rid of the body. But what

954
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 14: this did do is that if we follow through with

955
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 14: this idea of dismemberment, he's completely gotten rid of evidence

956
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 14: like tool marks, for instance. And I take exception to

957
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 14: what he said earlier, and that is this person where

958
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 14: he said, I'm a chef, not a butcher. Well, the

959
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 14: reality is this, if you are a chef, you have

960
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 14: butchering skills. And you know, I'm from New Orleans. Originally,

961
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 14: I understand this because I've been to some of the

962
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 14: finest restaurants in the world. I have friends that are chefs.

963
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 14: They know how to take game and butcher that game

964
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 14: in order to cook it. Okay, he understands this, all right,

965
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 14: I didn't come down with the last drop of rain.

966
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 14: So I think that's that's a ridiculous comment that he made.

967
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 14: He knows how to do this, Nancy. He knows how

968
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 14: to slow cook meat, if you will, And like the

969
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 14: reporter said, Dawn became just merely a piece of meat

970
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 14: to him, something to be disposed of. And what's really chilling, Nancy,

971
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 14: is that you know, I worked serial killings with dismemberments

972
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 14: and that sort of thing. Those people are unattached from

973
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 14: the individuals that they victimized. This is his precious wife.

974
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 14: He's doing this probably, I think, in that kitchen because

975
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 14: he can sustain it, he can maintain it, and he

976
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 14: has to make the body manageable, which in this case

977
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 14: I think that he did, and he rendered her down

978
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 14: completely over a long protracted period.

979
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: Now, according to the daughter twenty two at the time,

980
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: she said her father told her that he and Donn

981
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: arguing and he tried to barricade their bedroom door with

982
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: a dresser, but it didn't work, so he felt his

983
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: only alternative was to tie up his wife and tape

984
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: her mouth.

985
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: The next morning she was dead. She says.

986
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: Her dad, David Van's told her that dog's body would

987
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: never be found. Now he told the same story to detectives.

988
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: He's sticking to his story. To sister Dana Pappen, why

989
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: is it that you don't believe this is what happened.

990
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 7: Well, Number one is because that was an operating restaurant.

991
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 7: There were customers in there daily, and I think that

992
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 7: cooking a body like that would probably have a very

993
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 7: intense odor. It just doesn't make sense to me. And

994
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 7: also I don't it Just it's I can't wrap my

995
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 7: head around him actually doing it. I can't wrap my

996
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 7: head around the full thing. So it really shouldn't surprise

997
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 7: me that he said he did it and probably did

998
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 7: do it. It just doesn't make sense to.

999
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Me the case it goes to tryal Take a listen

1000
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: to kt LA five. Will you think during the bob

1001
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: entitled action find the defendant David Van's guilty of the

1002
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: crime of murder in violation of Penal Code Section eight.

1003
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: I can tell you this much. If all it takes

1004
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: to get out of jail is to say I did it,

1005
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: all the jails will be empty right now. I hope

1006
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: no parole board falls for this. In the future, rot

1007
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: in hell, Vans rot in hell, or should I say

1008
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: boil in hell?

1009
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: Goodbye friends,