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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Brian over there,

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Speaker 1: and there's Jerry And this is Stuff you Should Know

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Speaker 1: the right before Halloween. Addition about it, I get like

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Speaker 1: a little kid every Alloween. I'm pretty excited about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: do you get trick or treaters? No? Not really, no

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Speaker 1: kind of life hashtag, etcetera. Yeah, And I've told my

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Speaker 1: story before, but I'll just briefly summarize again that my

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Speaker 1: house is after a big curve in the road, and

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Speaker 1: people seem to just stop at that curve in the road. Well,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to come up on old man Bryant's house.

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Speaker 1: You know, the old dead oak tree with the big

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Speaker 1: hole in it that yeah Boo Radley hides figures in

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Speaker 1: its kind of off putting. It's right on your property.

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Speaker 1: And I think, uh, in my neighborhood too. They close

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Speaker 1: they literally close off, the cops close off two blocks.

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Speaker 1: This's just this big square of streets and that's the

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Speaker 1: official sanctioned no stress area where the parents all just

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Speaker 1: walk around and get drunk and all the kids just

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Speaker 1: run around and don't have to worry about cars. So um,

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Speaker 1: everyone in my neighborhood is congregated there and you're outside

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Speaker 1: of them outside, yeah, which I kind of miss, Like

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Speaker 1: I like tricker treaters coming to my house. Like I

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Speaker 1: guess I could maybe try, and well, I can move

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Speaker 1: a few houses in which I'm not gonna do. We

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Speaker 1: could casually move the roadblocks of a little further back

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Speaker 1: to include your house. One of their actual police cars

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Speaker 1: with police officers, and I can't move them, but I

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Speaker 1: could put signs that like you know this way for

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Speaker 1: the best yet and then you like only two more

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Speaker 1: houses right, or like leave a trail of candy because

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Speaker 1: I remember when I first moved to Atlanta, we rented

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Speaker 1: a house that got a lot of Tricker treaters and

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Speaker 1: I loved it. Man, I scared at the heck out

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Speaker 1: of those kids. Yeah, it was a lot of fun,

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Speaker 1: Like I really got that was my first big adult

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Speaker 1: giving out candy night, Like the first time I've ever

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Speaker 1: been able to do that because you didn't have kids yet,

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Speaker 1: so we weren't out trick or treating and uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I made a really pumped music out like the psycho

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Speaker 1: theme and scary John Carpenter stuff. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Did you like do anything to overtly scare them? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I wore a I was dressed up as a very

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Speaker 1: scary person, and I would jump out and scare them

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Speaker 1: over and over and over. Did you really jump out?

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Speaker 1: Good for you? Or I would stand in the like

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Speaker 1: Emily would be giving out candy and I would just

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Speaker 1: be in the darkened house, like eight feet behind her,

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Speaker 1: just standing there motionless. That's always a nice attack. But

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Speaker 1: the point is I sort of feel like we're missing out.

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Speaker 1: Like we certainly enjoyed taking our daughter out, but I

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Speaker 1: really wish we had kids that came by. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: wish you did too, too bad. Stupid us right there

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Speaker 1: near the main road, so close yet so far away,

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Speaker 1: so far away, and that's your forever house to huh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no trick or treaters ever again for you. I walked

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Speaker 1: in there. But what we could do is, you know,

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Speaker 1: we could go to a friend's house, and that this accounting.

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Speaker 1: You have to jump on their coattails. You can't sit

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Speaker 1: on their couch, you have to take your shoes off

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Speaker 1: in their house. You can't be comfortable We've long talked

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Speaker 1: to me and my friend Eddie and Allison, you know them,

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Speaker 1: about they have a good backyard. It's about doing like

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Speaker 1: a haunted trail one year that like, if you come

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of work. It is, and

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Speaker 1: it would be fun, you know, I mean for the

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Speaker 1: kids who have to go through the trail. Gotta earn

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Speaker 1: you gotta earn that free candy, earned that Reese's pieces.

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Speaker 1: So we just hit upon like fifteen different themes in

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Speaker 1: this episode, if you'll if you'll agree, I agree. Um,

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about trick or treating here, and if

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Speaker 1: you look at the thing on its face, just the

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Speaker 1: words trick or treat, there seems to be some sort

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Speaker 1: There used to be give me a treat or you

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Speaker 1: night right exactly. Um. We aren't sure on where trigger

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Speaker 1: it lived up to his name, trick or treat. There

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Speaker 1: was a there was an offer to not get pranked

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Speaker 1: It was in the name. Everybody knew the score. And

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Speaker 1: is safe these kids these days, and it's just kinda

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Speaker 1: just like you said, just the treat side of the equation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was, of course kidding, but we'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: There are people that really do decry this new generation

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Speaker 1: other garbage that I have no patience for because it's

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Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. I do feel well, I

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Speaker 1: think it will come through loud and clear as we

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Speaker 1: do the episode. Right, Well, we should jump back a

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Speaker 1: little bit to the origins of Halloween. We've gone over

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Speaker 1: this before in episode's past. But we all know it

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Speaker 1: originally started as a pagan harvest or not just one,

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Speaker 1: but pagan harvest festivals in general among the Celts over

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Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with trick or treating at

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Speaker 1: the time. No, it wasn't round Again, trick or treating

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Speaker 1: is a pent American invention, that's right. Um. And so

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Speaker 1: with Halloween in particular, you've got all these different components

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Speaker 1: All of these things find their origin in the Celtic

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Speaker 1: and I think specifically Gaelic um harvest festivals that introduced

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Speaker 1: particular there was Salwint, which forever I've always said sam

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Speaker 1: Haine because that's how it spelled. Now, you said Salen

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Speaker 1: right when we did our Halloween episode, didn't you. Probably,

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Speaker 1: by the way, speaking of Sawin or sam Haine, you

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Speaker 1: realized that I went to New York and saw the

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Speaker 1: Misfits on. How was that colossally amazing? This is the

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Speaker 1: original Misfits, right, the original Misfits, Glenn dan ziggery only

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Speaker 1: Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein who actually specifically invited us to this, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: um to this uh this show, and it was that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Knock your socks off? Didn't the Damned play as well?

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Speaker 1: Misfits just tore the roof off the succer I saw

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Speaker 1: when I saw you were going. I looked up some

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Speaker 1: YouTube clips of this tour and it looked pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing, and I think Glenn Danzig said that

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Speaker 1: So big, big thanks to Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein for

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Speaker 1: the invite. The stage set up look great, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was just a really cool show and they played

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Speaker 1: almost everything. Yeah, yeah, it was just really good. That's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So anyway back to Swin, Yeah, so, uh, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a perfect time to mention that show though all

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Speaker 1: worked out, it did. Um. Hallow's Eve was the night

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Speaker 1: Halloween formed, right, right, So people would dress up in

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Speaker 1: they could cross over. These creatures could cross over and communicate.

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Speaker 1: costume thing going right, that's right. And uh, part of

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Speaker 1: And they would parade through the town. They saw Halloween

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Speaker 1: parades all over the place. Here in Atlanta we have

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Speaker 1: one of the best and little five Points Halloween parraade. Fantastic,

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Speaker 1: Like when you think about the Halloween parade at your town,

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Speaker 1: like that is centuries millennia old, that tradition is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we have those two things going on, and then

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Speaker 1: the one missing piece is knock knock, Hey, give me candy.

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Speaker 1: But this we have the origins of which came and

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Speaker 1: it's still not Halloween. It took American kids to put

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Speaker 1: good soul cakes or mumming which is and this sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 1: maybe a little spear change. Right, So in that sense

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Speaker 1: something like that. That's right, But there was a reason

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Speaker 1: doing a little dance number something like that. The prank

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Speaker 1: was pranking. Yeah, and that came from Ireland, Is that right? Yah?

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Speaker 1: Supposedly in the eighteen eighties they would prank. They would

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't us, it was the fairies, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean it sounds that's how it's spelled. Yeah, it's really

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Speaker 1: that's a confounding pronunciation, it is. But there you have it,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Uh. And then pranks back then, and of

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Speaker 1: course we're pretty low key uh ding dong ditch stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, um moving the neighbor's furniture to the roof.

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Speaker 1: I saw that, like flower pot on the chimney. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but it would also get way way worse than that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I looked up Mischief Night. We never did that in

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Speaker 1: Georgia or Devil's Night. It was also called yeah, just

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Speaker 1: the night before Halloween when all these pranks would happen. Um.

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Speaker 1: Region to region is called different. Apparently in Uh, New

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Speaker 1: Jersey it's Mischief Night, Cabbage Well in Camden, New Jersey's

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Speaker 1: Mischief Night. Other parts of New Jersey call it Cabbage Night.

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Speaker 1: UM Cincinnata calls it Damage Night. That's pretty over. That's

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Speaker 1: a punk band name right there, Damage Night totally, that

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Speaker 1: insurance deductible night other parts. I don't know why Ohio

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Speaker 1: They called it in Ohio because there's nothing else to

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Speaker 1: night for Hallow's Eve. Other names Doorbell Night, trick Night,

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Speaker 1: to be the certain whatever they wanted to be. I

426
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: think it's still that way. I'm sure it is, but

427
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: now it's a lot easier, I think to buy costumes.

428
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: I think when you and I were kids, there's a

429
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: lot of fashioning costumes. Uh, When you didn't have the

430
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 1: ability to be like the in from Alien or you know,

431
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: it was a lot harder to put together these elaborate costumes.

432
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: But once you get your heart set on it, you

433
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: like you had to, you know. So I'm going to

434
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: tell you my best costume, and you tell me yours. Okay, okay, um,

435
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: my mom made one from scratch. Clown is a clown costume.

436
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: But the big kicker was that it was an upside

437
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: down clown walking on his hands. So my feet were

438
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: the clown's hands. His head is like dangling between my legs.

439
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: I've got his legs sticking up off of my shoulders

440
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: and I don't remember my head must have been covered

441
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: up like I was in his butt or something like, right,

442
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: but I was upside down walking clown. Greatest costume ever? Yeah,

443
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: you got any pictures somewhere? YEA. Yeah. I did a

444
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: lot of funny ones, like my brother and I were

445
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: Han Solo and Luke Skywalker. When I was really little um.

446
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: But then I got into like I was always wanting

447
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: to do like funny characters. I like, like like Ed

448
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: Grimley one year, the Saturday Night Live character. I did

449
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: Ed Grimley one year, and I was I don't know

450
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: if like I was always trying to make people laugh.

451
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: I never did scary stuff until little kids started coming

452
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: around and trick or treating me at your house. Yes,

453
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: and you started just like movie characters. Like even into

454
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: my adult years, you know, I would try and find

455
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: some cool movie character, like Hi from Raising Arizona. I

456
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: did one year. It's almost a grimly same here. Uh No,

457
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: not same at all, actually uh. And then one year

458
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: I did a great actually won a contest in New

459
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: Jersey one year when I was a hardy Kushner and

460
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: I like, I shaved my head. I did the whole thing.

461
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: I had literature. I passed out. Wow, I made the

462
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: whole the whole deal. You just ended up joining a

463
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: local chapter for a little while. It was fine, really

464
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: got into the rule. But I haven't. It's been a

465
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: few years since I've dressed up here because I just, oh,

466
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: that's not true. I haven't been. I haven't been to

467
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: a Halloween party in probably five years. What were you

468
00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: last year? I was Patrick Bateman from American Psycho, So

469
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: you were you but with a tie exactly and like

470
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: a giant inflatable brick cell phone. And you me was

471
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: a specific Michael Jackson. A moment of Michael Jackson's history

472
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: where he's holding blanket over the balcon and Momo was blanket.

473
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: It's on you can see it on Instagram. That's great.

474
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: You have to check that out, alright. So the candy

475
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: company started getting involved. That's where I left off in

476
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: the costume company. They knew it was gold from them,

477
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: mars Uh Incorporated. In the early nineteen fifties, We're doing

478
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: ad campaigns on TV and in newspapers and on the

479
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: radio and stuff about trick or treat um it became

480
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: a thing with UNICEF. They had a Trick or Treat

481
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: for UNICEF campaign back then. I think they still might,

482
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I'm talking about the little boxes

483
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: holds change and they would just give them too little kids.

484
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: And while they wrote Trick or Treat, and they'd also

485
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: asked for change for unisf to help needy kids overseas.

486
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: And that actually when he really long way to legitimizing

487
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: trick or treating. Yeah, they're doing a lot in these days.

488
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: Two for kids, special needs kids, like it's it's taken

489
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: this long to finally get the word out, like the

490
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: blue pumpkins. Have you heard of those? If you trick

491
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: or treat with a blue pumpkin, that means that you

492
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: have some sort of special need where you may not

493
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: be able to walk to a front door and say,

494
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: trick or treat. I'm dressed as you know Michigan j

495
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: bullfrog what it would be a great it would be.

496
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: But did you pull that off of I just made Yeah. Wow, nice.

497
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: He's been on my mind lately, I guess. But uh

498
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: so people know like, oh, you've got a blue pumpkin,

499
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: so I shouldn't say, like, you know, come on, kid,

500
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: why don't you tell me what your costume is? And uh,

501
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: it's good though, like that it's taken It's ironic that

502
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: it's taken this long to get parents on board to

503
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: the fact that some kids need, you know, different kinds

504
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: of treatment. I don't know if ironic is the best

505
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: word as much as disappointing is. Yeah, you know, you're

506
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: probably right. Should we take another break? Oh my god?

507
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take three more. Okay, yes we will.

508
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Then stuff you should stuftuff you should you should know alright,

509
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: So I think basically what we were saying when we

510
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: left off. And sorry about the nostalgia here everybody, but

511
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you get us in a room. Yeah,

512
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: around Halloween, it's gonna happen. Um. So, by the early fifties,

513
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: trigger treating was huge and established and had so if

514
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty was the Heyday, the golden age of

515
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: trick or treating, um, nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty nine

516
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: was the salad days of the Heyday? Right? And when

517
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: did people start complaining about it the seventies? No, as

518
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: far back as the twenties, Oh yeah, because those newspaper

519
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: articles that you can track the progress of Halloween, more

520
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: often than not they were like old cranks complaining about

521
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: how they didn't want to have to give tricks or

522
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: treats or whatever the little kids. Don't you blackmail me?

523
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: They don't. Yeah, exactly, you know, what are we teaching

524
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: our kids? And there's actually, um if you kind of

525
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: scratch beneath the surface of trick or treating, at first,

526
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: it appears to be kind of a weird power struggle

527
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: between kids and adults, and it definitely is that. But

528
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: there's also another power struggle going on between adults of

529
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: two different minds, ones who are like you are overparenting

530
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: by being upset about this or this is just one

531
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: night a year, it's good for kids, and other people

532
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: are saying like this is terrible for kids, well, allowing

533
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: them to go from house to house to beg is

534
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: it just a bad idea? It's unsafe is another way

535
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: to put it too. So there's like a struggle weirdly

536
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: over trick or treating, and it has to do with

537
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: under parenting and over parenting and that conversation about the

538
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: whole thing. I have seen parents ruined kids experiences, whether

539
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: it's like a Easter egg hunt or trick or treating.

540
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: I've seen this in action because they're too involved. Yeah,

541
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it comes down to, is just

542
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: how involved are you and your kids trick or treating.

543
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: For a very brief period, there was very little involvement

544
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: in kids trick or treating um and a lot of

545
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: people say that's actually really good for kids. In this

546
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: other way that we've kind of started to evolve toward

547
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: is not. Yeah, I don't remember my parents taking me

548
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: around trick or treating. I'm sure that happened maybe when

549
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: I was really little, and we certainly would have had

550
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else because you know, I've lived on

551
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: the dirt road, the dirt road with no no neighbors,

552
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: um or very few of them. But I just all

553
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: my memories stem from being like probably ten to fifteen

554
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: and being completely on my own with my friends ten

555
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: to fifteen, ten years old. But to fifteen, that's pretty late.

556
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: What to trick or treat? Oh? Now, we trick or

557
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: treated up until probably the like the ninth or tenth grade. Well,

558
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. But in some places you get

559
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: to get arrested for that. When did you stop? You'd

560
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: still trick or treat if they would let you. Uh.

561
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: I think I stopped around thirteen. Maybe fifteen was too late.

562
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: Maybe thirteen or fourteen you're fine enough. Teens, great, go

563
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: with God. No, but you're you're probably right now that

564
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: I'll look back. Maybe I went to Halloween parties, but

565
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: maybe there's kind of an unofficial slash official again in

566
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: some places, UM cut off after twelve? Really done? Yeah,

567
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: because their teen you're a teenager now, and that's that's

568
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: not kids stuff. As we'll see, it's allegedly trick or

569
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: treating is a transition from kidhood to adulthood. And by

570
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: the time you're thirteen, you've you've made in that transition

571
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: that's in your past. It's sad, but it's I don't

572
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: know why I'm talking like Christopher walk and all of

573
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, but I am. Yeah, maybe I wasn't going

574
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: that late, but I definitely remember going by myself at

575
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: a certain point. But now with my neighborhood is just

576
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: the I see mostly parents not involved at all. They're

577
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: they're they're kind of like if your child is two

578
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: or three, helping them walk to the door and stuff.

579
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: But otherwise we're just drinking and the kids are doing

580
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: their things. So let's talk about this. Then let's skip

581
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: towards the end and we'll jump back. Okay, there is

582
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: um this debate over you know, whether it's better to

583
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: just kind of cross your fingers and and hope for

584
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: the best and let your kids go out and trick

585
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: or treat on their own, whether that's good or whether

586
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: we need to Um, the world is just too unsafe

587
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: for that, and we need to much more manage kids

588
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: trigger treating than just letting them go out on their own.

589
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: It depends on where you are. That's the big divide.

590
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: And one of my personal heroes, the World's Worst Mom,

591
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Lenore Scnazzi, who came up with the Free Range Kid's

592
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: blog and the whole movement. Frankly, she makes this really

593
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: great point that when we let kids trigger treat, we

594
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: let them confront danger like on their own, and it's real,

595
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: it's just a thin the narrowest margin of danger. I mean,

596
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: people always talk about like the um, you know, all

597
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: like the worst things that could happen on Halloween when

598
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: the kids out of trigger treating, getting hit by a car,

599
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: getting kidnapped by a stranger, getting like, um, yes, just

600
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: just stuff that it happens, and it can happen, It's true,

601
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: but it happens so infrequently that the chain its is

602
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: are it's not going to happen, and you're actually better

603
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: off just letting the kid roll the dice. Because, as

604
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Lenora skanas He puts it, when when you go trick

605
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: or treating, you're transitioning from being a kid to a

606
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: grown up and you're doing this quite literally. Um, you

607
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: go with your parents first, and they kind of teach

608
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: you the rules of the road, like just take one

609
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: piece of candy, or that house over there has their

610
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: lights off, so leave them alone. They don't want to

611
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this. And then after that

612
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: you let them go on their own right, and they

613
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of take the ball and roll with it. And

614
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: she says that, Um, that when they're all trick or

615
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: treating kids dressed like grown ups, they take to the

616
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: streets night, they encounter the scariest possible locals, which is

617
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: in goblins, and then yes, they're doing it as scaries

618
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: as possible time night and the whole thing is dress

619
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: rehearsal for adulthood, and that like that's the benefit of

620
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: trick or treating. I don't quite get that that is

621
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: the same as adulthood. Like you and I all the

622
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: time walking around night fighting goblins in a way, right

623
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: exact where would we have been without trick or treating

624
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: to preparis for fighting goblins? But just confronting fears are

625
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: on their own without their parents managing their world for

626
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: them so that they can handle themselves, have the confidence

627
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: to know they can handle themselves and um, and and

628
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: I guess feel good about having confronted their fears and

629
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: gotten candy in return. Let's not forget about that now.

630
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's just just take the candies. Fine,

631
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy made it perfect for you. All you

632
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: have to do is go get the candy. You're in

633
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: a perfect bubble and everything's fine. Yeah. So that's I

634
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of tend to fall on Leonore Skanazis side on that. Well,

635
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: should we talk a little bit about the um, you know,

636
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: whether or not there have been all these real horror

637
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: stories over the years, and whether or not any of

638
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: those are true as far as the razor blade in

639
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: the apple and stuff like that, hypodermic needles and candy. Um,

640
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: the stuff doesn't happen. No. And the thing to point out,

641
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: and I know we've talked about it before, is that

642
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: it was a an urban legend that came true. Right. Uh,

643
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: there was one case and this is actually kind of

644
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: funny if he asked me. In nine there was a

645
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: dentist in California named WILLIAMS. Shine who uh it, took

646
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: alo laxative pills and disguised them as candy and give

647
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: out four and fifty of them jerk two kids, and

648
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: they were all poop. And I guess so I think

649
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: a fume did poop. Nobody got injured, though right now

650
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get injured from a laxative over poop,

651
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: over poop. But this is when I think this real

652
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: story got out. And then all of a sudden he

653
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: gets morphed into needles and razor blades or poison or

654
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: candy laced with heroin and stuff like that. Well that

655
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: did happen. Well, yeah, but that's the thing, Like the

656
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: examples that are listed are reverse engineered almost right, right,

657
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: So there was a little boy in Texas who died

658
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: from eating a cyanide um laced pixie stick in Texas,

659
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: and I can't remember what you and um. It turned

660
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: out that it was his dad. That his dad was

661
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: the scum of the earth who had taken taken out

662
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: insurance policies on his own children and then gave them

663
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: spiked Halloween candy to make it look like some mad

664
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: poison or he killed his kids so he could collect

665
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: insurance and one of his kids did die, but it

666
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: was it wasn't just some random Halloween poisoner that guy

667
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: didn't really exist at the time. Yeah, nineteen seventy in

668
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Detroit was the heroin incident. Um, this kid overdose, these

669
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: kids ate their uncle's stash, is what really happened. And

670
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: then the uncles like, oh, crap, let me sprinkle the

671
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: heroin on the candy and cook up the story and

672
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: maybe cook up some heroin right since I'm cooking, and uh,

673
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: to try and get out of this. So again, it

674
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: really happened, but not in the way that you think. Um,

675
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the thing that out everybody, So that Williams Shine guy,

676
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: who I just think is a skull for that because

677
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: he scared the pants off of America's parents. He basically said, hey, hey,

678
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: you know how you're letting your kids run free. Something

679
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: really bad had happened to him, and I just showed

680
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: you how. And from the that that next year on,

681
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: the parents were anxiously involved in Halloween like they never

682
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: have been before because of Williams Shine. But um, the

683
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: the thing that really killed Halloween, or at least cementuted.

684
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: I think the anxieties in the heads of parents in

685
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: America is that Thailand all poisoner canceled Halloween two almost

686
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: drove Ben Cooper costumes out of business, candy sales went down.

687
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: Trick or treated, well, your parents didn't love you. I

688
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: think I did too. I don't remember not I would

689
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: remember not trick or treating one year, because that would

690
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: have been eleven. That's prime time. Apparently those are the

691
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: retirement years. But all of this stuff added a veneer

692
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: of fear and anxiety on trick or treating for parents,

693
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: not for kids necessarily, but for parents, and it drew

694
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: them into what was possibly just a kid run activity

695
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: because of fear, probably irrational fear. And now you have

696
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: to this day, the f d A sending out guidelines

697
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: around Halloween saying don't let your kids eat any candy

698
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: until they bring it home, which is just torture, and

699
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: you have to inspect it and if you see any

700
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: pinholes or terrors or anything that looks weird, just thrown away.

701
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: Some hospitals say bring your kids candy and well X

702
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: ray to see if there's any razor blades or needles

703
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: in it or something like that. This is the kind

704
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: of terror that ironically is overlaid on Halloween. It's like

705
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: fun terror has actual real terror on top of it,

706
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: which makes it less fun. We don't inspect candy. Oh

707
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: you don't you roll the dice? Huh, yeah, that's great.

708
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who does. Really. Oh man was

709
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: raised like that? You inspected candy? Oh yeah, my parents

710
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: were serious about it. We never did. I don't now.

711
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Maybe it's that thing of

712
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: like if you're the because it doesn't happen, right, I'm no,

713
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm hardened to hear that. Yeah, because when we did

714
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: our Free Range Kids episode, I remember thinking, like, what's

715
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: what's going on now? Like like kids are treated like this,

716
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: They're not by Halloween candy. It's just not happening, you know.

717
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Plus in our neighborhood, with the sanctioned closure, all the

718
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: candy is, people aren't buying their own candy. It's like

719
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: the neighborhood buys all the candy and they congregated in

720
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: these couple of blocks. Yeah, okay, I mean, there could

721
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: be a madman living among us. It happens, but that's

722
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: like being scared to walk out your front door for

723
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: fear of being murdered, right right, Chuck, You know you

724
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: just can't live that way. I can't live that way,

725
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: you know. Umi told me a story about a village

726
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: like villages in Japan and have like a festival or

727
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: two every year, like the whole community comes out. It's

728
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: like a big deal. And there was one village, a

729
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: little tiny town where um, this one woman just I guess,

730
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: went mad and poison the curry that you brought to

731
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: the village thing and killed a bunch of townspeople. It happens.

732
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: It does happen. But you're right. You can't not eat

733
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: the curry just because of the small, small chance that

734
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: some mad person has poisoned it. Yeah. The way I

735
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: look at it is if that that's what happens, then

736
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: that's you know, your numbers up, your numbers up in

737
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: your story in the newspaper to scare other people. You

738
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: get to be immortalized on stuff. You should know. It's

739
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: trick or treat. Going away, Josh, I don't know, Chuck,

740
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: I say, no, Okay, that's good. I'm glad to hear that,

741
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: because again I'm living hashtag condo life. I'm out of

742
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: the action. Yeah, I mean, there's this the last bit

743
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: of this article you sent talked about it, um going

744
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: away potentially, But I just I don't think that's ever

745
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: ever going to happen. So what are your arguments for

746
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: it going away that it might my arguments or is

747
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: my observations your observations? Um. One of the big ones

748
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: is that fear among parents that helicopter parenting has not

749
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: been good for trick or treating. Okay, but but think

750
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: about that's a real struggle going on right now over

751
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: parenting versus under parenting, which one is gonna win out? Okay.

752
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: Another one is there's a perception that that trick or

753
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: treating is dying out, which is kind of funny. Yes,

754
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: because people are moving back into towns and gentrifying those towns,

755
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: like we talked about in the Historic District episode, Um,

756
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: and as they're doing that. Trick or treating was never

757
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: huge in the city, and so people who are raising

758
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: the suburbs and were used to are moving into the

759
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: city and there's no trick or treating going on anymore.

760
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: So I guess trick or treating is dying because that's

761
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing a differ. I beg to differ with

762
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: that too, Okay, but I mean, you don't live in

763
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: the city city, you live in a neighborhood. Yeah, But

764
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: that's all Atlanta is is a bunch of neighborhoods. Okay,

765
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: you mean I don't live downtown. Maybe these people live

766
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: in Des Moines. I don't know. No one lives in

767
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: downtown Atlanta. No, it's true, although it has gotten cooler

768
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: than it was like a decade ago. But I beg

769
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: to differ that trick or treating doesn't go on in

770
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: the cities. I think I think their apartment buildings in

771
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: New York where people trick or treat, like, just because

772
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: it's not the picket fence suburban neighborhood. I think trick

773
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: or treating goes on everywhere. But this author at my house,

774
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: Julie Beck, who wrote in The Atlantic, she put it

775
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: really well that that basically the suburbs and trick or

776
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: treating just go hand in hand. Sure, like the suburbs

777
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: are set up for trick or treating. You've got houses

778
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: that are close together, super safe, Um yep, where people

779
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: who live there are just well enough off to to

780
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: buy enough candy for the whole neighborhood. Yeah. Um, they

781
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: all have kids. They know each other enough that you're

782
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: not embarrassed for your kid to go up in trick

783
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: or treat there. And you know that it's this candy

784
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: is not going to be poisoned. In the city, you're

785
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: much um more uh isolated from one another, even though

786
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: you're living on top of one another. Yeah, and I

787
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: think maybe if if we're talking about like UH areas

788
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: where there are poor kids and where poverty is run rampant,

789
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: then maybe there's less traditional trick or treating, but there

790
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: are programs and parties and things they try to do

791
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: for those kids too. Okay, so those very things may

792
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: end up being what kills trick or treating that I

793
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: should say, the purest version of trick or treating. You

794
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: can also just make the case, well that's what it's

795
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: evolving into, and just go with it. I think it

796
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: will probably be both. But you're talking about the big

797
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: Halloween parties, community parties, trunk or treating, trunk or treating,

798
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: or what's it called Halloween, Halloween tailgating, trunk treating. This

799
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: is the idea that you and we had this at

800
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: our school. We had the Halloween festival, but that did

801
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: not replace trick or treating. Okay, this replaces trick or

802
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: treating for a lot of children. Yeah, So you go

803
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: out and get in a big church parking lot essentially,

804
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: and you have uh, bobbing for apples and the dunk tank.

805
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: This is different and huh this is a little different

806
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: than that. Well, I mean I've seen these in person,

807
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: and uh, okay, but that's a Halloween festival you're talking about.

808
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: No, No No, I'm talking about instead of trick or treating.

809
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: It's a big party where they have candy and they

810
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: have activities and games and stuff. So are you going

811
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: from car to car getting candy like the cars or houses?

812
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Uh no, not necessarily, but they're giving out candy. I mean,

813
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: I can you're not talking about trunker treating. It feels

814
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: very nitpicky to me. No, but it's not. And here's

815
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: why I'm not talking about Halloween festival though. Okay, that's fine,

816
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: that's fine, But you're not talking about trunk or treating either.

817
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: You mean you walk five ft to a car and

818
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: they give you candy, then five ft to another and

819
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: they say, don't play any games, don't bob for apples,

820
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: or don't do anything else. All you're doing is walking

821
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: to cars. I'm not saying that they don't have bobbing

822
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: for apples, but the purpose of trunk or treating is

823
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: to basically set up a safe ring of cars where

824
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: the kids are literally penned in. The kids who used

825
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: to be the ones who we're running the show are

826
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: now penned in by the anxious adults cars handing out

827
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: candy rather than going to houses, walking around a church

828
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: parking lot for trunk or treating instead of trick or treating.

829
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: These are not the kids who could pull what the

830
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: kids in the goonies did were able to pull off

831
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: because they had freedom and spark. That kids who trunk

832
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: or treat are being denied that as Let me go

833
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: back to my friend Leonora Sknazi. She says, the trunk

834
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: or treating is just another adult led activity, one that

835
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: reinforces the community killing idea that kids aren't ever safe

836
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: outside the home, school or supervised program. And that is

837
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: most definitely the message that kids get when they're trunk

838
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: or treating. Yeah, I think that is not going to

839
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: kill trick or treating or take over trick or treating.

840
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: We'll see, Chuck. I hope you're right, because one thing

841
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: I have not seen since I've lived in Atlanta is

842
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: any big trunk or treating. Well, that's because you live

843
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. All you have to do is go out

844
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: to the suburbs, and they're everywhere. But the suburbs are

845
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: made for trick or treating. They're out in the neighborhoods.

846
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: I gotta end on a quote I ran across a

847
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: a website, I guess a church website that's talking about

848
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Speaker 1: trunk or treating. It's awesome this quote. It says that

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Speaker 1: the scariest part about the night this is a trunk

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Speaker 1: or treating night, isn't the costumes. It's the possibility that

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Speaker 1: you could miss out on the chance to use trunk

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Speaker 1: or treat to build relationships and reach these kids with

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Speaker 1: the gospel. Well yeah, that's the opposite of what Halloween

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Speaker 1: is all about. That's right. Um, you got anything else,

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Speaker 1: it's about arson of it. Sorry, I'm one of those

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Speaker 1: curmudgeons that turns out. Uh. One more thing. If you

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Speaker 1: like Halloween, go on to our old stuff you should

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Speaker 1: Know website and search Halloween and creepy and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: find some amazing slide shows we put together over the year.

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Speaker 1: Remember that one of my favorite is um cute and

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Speaker 1: cruddy Halloween costumes, vintage Halloween costumes that are really creepy.

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Speaker 1: Best Jack lanards, all sorts of great stuff. Remember those

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Speaker 1: days where we account page views and get excited about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one felt like a bit of a tirade? Yeah

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Speaker 1: was it? I don't think so? Okay, Kim, Well, if

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Speaker 1: you want to know more about Halloween, get out there

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Speaker 1: and trick your treat. And since I said that as

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Speaker 1: time for listener, ma'am. Uh this is follow up on

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Speaker 1: Paraphelia's that we wanted to read for the last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Just now get into it. Hey guys, a long time listener,

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Speaker 1: first time writer. I've had this episode pop up a

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Speaker 1: few times. It's just been on my mind. I'm an

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Speaker 1: r N with M s N and background and have

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Speaker 1: background in neuro physiology who enjoys studying abnormal psych I

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Speaker 1: understand you were doing a show on psychological term on

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Speaker 1: a psychological term, but you may have ended up painting

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Speaker 1: wrong ideas onto certain practices, specifically S and M and

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Speaker 1: cross dressing. Um. From when I have come to note,

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Speaker 1: it's extremely rare that people practice these primarily for sexual gratification.

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Speaker 1: Of course, these practices are adult in nature, but most

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Speaker 1: regard it as an emotional practice or exploration of self.

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Speaker 1: For example, Uh, shabari or rope bondage takes hundreds of

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Speaker 1: hours of practice to perform, and those that partake describe

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Speaker 1: a meditation like state as a result, though most would

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Speaker 1: say it's s and M. Most cross dressers describe the

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Speaker 1: long process of becoming female as cathartic and self affirming,

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Speaker 1: although be it uh temporary. Simplifying cross dressers to those

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Speaker 1: who walk around in high heels to reach completion, well,

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Speaker 1: imagine saying that about a trans woman. Of course, if

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Speaker 1: you were doing these practices for sexual gratification, all the

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Speaker 1: power to you. I suggest you look into keenk culture

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Speaker 1: as an episode. It's where a wide range of people

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Speaker 1: congregate and share their interest in a commun any that

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Speaker 1: has founded off respect and consent their meetups and presentations

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Speaker 1: on practices so that others can learn proper technique. The

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Speaker 1: most that practice would like to keep their privacy. And

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Speaker 1: that is from Anonymous. Thanks a lot, Anonymous, that was

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Speaker 1: a good correction email. That's right. If you want to

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Speaker 1: get in touch with us like Anonymous did to set

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Speaker 1: us straight, we love that kind of thing. You can

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