1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:00,800 Speaker 1: Ola. 2 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: Latino USA listener, Gomostas, it's me Maria no Josa. I 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: bet you know already that I host another award winning show. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: It's our politics podcast and it's called In the Thick. 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: It's where myself and other rotating guest hosts talk about 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: politics and it's unfiltered. These conversations are needed now more 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: than ever, especially with the twenty twenty four presidential election 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: right around the corner. So today on Latino USA, we're 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: gonna bring you one of our latest itt In the 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: Thick episodes. It's about voter suppression in our black and 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: brown communities. I hope you enjoy this conversation. Don't forget 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: to like and subscribe to In the Thick show wherever 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts enjoy. Hey, what up ITDT listener, 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: It's Maria. 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: No Josa and I'm Paula Ramos. 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: As the twenty twenty four election nears closer, we're joined 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: by two of the amazing guests. We're going to be 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: talking about an issue, dear listener, that even though it's 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty four and we live in the 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: so called greatest democracy in the world, so called, we're 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: going to be talking about something that is very real, 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: voter suppression. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: My day. I'm excited about this one. Joining us from Atlanta, Georgia. 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: We have the co founder of Black Voters Matter, the 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: award winning activist, the organized with the artist, someone that 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: I see on my screen every single day when I 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: turn on my TV, Latasha brown Lytasha, welcome. 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be in 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: this conversation. 30 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: Latasha, Latasha finally reunited. And somebody who's new to us 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: here at Itt Frankie Midanda, who is the CEO and 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: president of the Hispanic Federation, is making some time for 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: us because he's traveling from one battleground state to another. 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: Frankie Midana, thank you so much for joining us on 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: end the thing. 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me, such an honor. 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: We all know that we're recording this episode just twenty 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: days before the election, and of course there's so much 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: that we can get into. But let's take a step 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: back and start with the polls. 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Right. 42 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: You see that the latest national poll from NBC News 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: is calling this race quote a dead heat. They have 44 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: both candidates literally at forty eight percent of the vote, 45 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: and so, in other words, Madiya We say this all 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: the time. This is a race where every single vote 47 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: is going to count. 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: So today we're talking to two guests who they don't 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: only analyze elections, but they're leaders who are on the 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: ground engaging with community members about voting and building power 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: not just in the election, but beyond the election for 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: decades really. So you know, Latasha, because you've been on 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: the show before, we love to do this thing called 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: the temperature check, which is just checking. 55 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: In on my sister. 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: What's your emotional temperature check, Latasha? 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: My grandmother used to sing this song, I don't feel 58 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: no ways time, you know. But the truth of the 59 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: matter is, I'm a little tired. I want to say 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 4: I'm not, but I am a little tired. 61 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 6: It's interesting, I'm probably feeling every single emotion that you 62 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 6: can feel at this moment. There's a part of me 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 6: that I feel an extreme amount of hope. I think 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 6: that we're in a space that we can literally not 65 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 6: just break history, but really break a glass ceiling that 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 6: has actually impacted all of us. I think that anytime 67 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 6: that you crack a glass ceiling, that opens up light 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 6: for all of us. So there's a part of me 69 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 6: that's really excited on the fact that we will have 70 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 6: a woman of color potentially become the first female president 71 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 6: of the US. But then there's a part of me 72 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 6: also that is just angry as hell. I'm trying to 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 6: figure out, how is this sexist, racist, misogynists not very 74 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 6: smart crook of a man is literally gaining I. 75 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: Mean, why are we here? 76 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 7: Like? 77 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: Why are we here? And so I'm feeling all of 78 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: the things. 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 6: But every time we go out on the street and 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 6: we're talking to people, that's what gives me hope. So 81 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 6: I feel really fulfilled on that. But wow, can this 82 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 6: campaign be over already? 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: Agreed, and real quick for you, Latasha, I know it's hard, 85 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: but just do us this favor. What would you say 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: is the temperature check of your community on the ground, 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: I think people. 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 6: Are moving as I'm talking to folks, there is a 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 6: sense of hope, there's a sense of possibilities, and. 90 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: So people listen. People are ready to go. 91 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 6: Part of what's making me feel inspired is that as I'm. 92 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: Running into people and talkative folks. 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 6: Even as we're in this space of early voting, we 94 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 6: have seen people are coming out. So I actually feel 95 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 6: like this is going to be the turnout. The spirit 96 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 6: and the energy at this moment right now feels pretty good. 97 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: There's some things that like have me in concern, you know, 98 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 6: because of the voter suppression and some of the other pieces, 99 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 6: But people seem like they're very clear about what has 100 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 6: to happen and. 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 4: What we gotta do. 102 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: There's the joy, the anger, these existential questions we're all 103 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: wrestling with, and how best to put that into words? 104 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: Then through Latasha singing Frankie, I won't make you do that, 105 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: But how are you doing? I mean, I know you 106 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: were just in Philadelphia. I know that you were just 107 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: presenting findings of the Hispanic Federation's latest pool, which of 108 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: course we'll get into later in the episode. Personally, how 109 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: are you feeling? 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 5: I am, like Latasha, overwhelmed by all of these different emotions. 111 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 5: I am excited, I am enthusiastic, I am tired, I 112 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 5: am frustrated, I am angry, I am concerned that many 113 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 5: people are trying to hijack our narrative. 114 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: And I'm so. 115 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 5: Happy that we're here so close to the election and 116 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 5: be able to just put it in our own words. 117 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 5: But it has been a very uncertain time for all 118 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 5: of us, and also looking forward to November fifth, but 119 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 5: I'm concerned about November six. 120 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 3: We'll get into everything that you just described in a second, 121 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 3: but any insights that come to mind, Frankie, in terms 122 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: of what you're hearing from the ground from Latino voters 123 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: and organizers, anything that comes to mind. 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 5: So we're very much on the ground. This is like 125 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 5: going to war, and I'm sad to use these image, 126 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 5: but it is really a battle for our lives and 127 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 5: our futures. I still feel that there is an incredible 128 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 5: resilient in our campussers and our nonprofit organizations. They understand 129 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 5: what we're facing and what is at stake. And we're 130 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 5: seeing also that there is a lot of enthusiasm in 131 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: the Latino vote, Latino voters. I feel that the next 132 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 5: few days are going to determine the rest of our lives, 133 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 5: and people are very aware of it. 134 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: Oh God, where do you start from this? The next 135 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: few days we're going to determine the rest of our life. 136 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: So listen, Latasha. 137 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: It is hard to believe that this is such a 138 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: tight race, honestly, and we know that in battleground states, 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: especially like in your home of Georgia. Right, we're seeing 140 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: again these voter suppression levels that are pretty extraordinary, and 141 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: as Frankie just said, disinformation campaigns that are coming on 142 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: really strong from far right groups pouring money into so 143 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: called quote unquote election integrity efforts to trump aligned think 144 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: tanks that have actually been quietly laying the legal groundwork 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: since twenty twenty in order to allow far right actors 146 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: to exert influence over the election. There are sophisticated efforts 147 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: at play right now designed to interfere with the voting 148 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: process on every single level. So the thing is, Latasha, 149 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: that you know that this playbook is not new right. 150 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: That misinformation, division, fear, these are all strategies that have 151 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: been used to disenfranchise non white communities, low income community 152 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: since the Jimcrow era. And you know your aunt was 153 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: on that bridge on bloody Sunday, a very famous moment, 154 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: historic moment in this civil rights movement, when six hundred 155 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: peaceful protesters were brutally attacked by police in Selma, Alabama 156 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: as they demand that African Americans be given access to 157 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: their legal right to vote. 158 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: That's all they were talking about. 159 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: So Natasha, give us the through line from that bridge 160 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: on bloody Sunday to what we're seeing right now, so 161 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: we understand clearly how this is not new. 162 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 4: Thank you for that question. 163 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 6: I think it's really important for people to be able 164 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 6: to make this connection of how this is so reflective. 165 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 6: This is the playbook for voter suppression. We don't need 166 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 6: to take this as something new. This is something that 167 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 6: has reoccurred. It's also something that we've defeated before when 168 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 6: we're really familiar about what it is that we're up against. 169 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 6: But essentially, when you're looking at voter suppression, it's like 170 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 6: a three legged stool, And the simplest way for me 171 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 6: to help people kind of understand is that it happens 172 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 6: in three different ways. Like one leg of this stool 173 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 6: is around, how do you weaponize the administrative process? That 174 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 6: you create a process and it seems like it's harmless, 175 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 6: but ultimately you encumber the process to make it so 176 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 6: difficult that it's like death by thousand cuts, that it 177 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 6: creates barriers for people to come out and vote. 178 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: And so an. 179 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 6: Example of that would be in Georgia, we had the 180 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 6: state Board of Elections. 181 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: There's a five member board. 182 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 6: Three of those members are Trumpers, and so they've literally 183 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 6: just at a month out decided. 184 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: To change the rules for certification. 185 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 6: It's now been overturned, but they wanted the votes to 186 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 6: be counted by hand. You're talking about millions of votes 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 6: to be counted by hand. 188 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 4: In addition to that, this additional rule that. 189 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 6: Says, if any local elected official feels that something is 190 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 6: not right with the results, they can just like and 191 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 6: I don't like those results because I don't like the 192 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 6: way that they came out or whatever like it indiscriminately. 193 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 6: They can actually delay the certification process. The second piece 194 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 6: is creating legal barriers legalizing something and it seems like 195 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 6: it's harmless, like in the civil rights tiarah, it was 196 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 6: actually legal for them to We're gonna give you a 197 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 6: centistence test. The last piece is literally using fear that 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 6: the chaos and fear and confusion is the point that's 199 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 6: where the misinformation and disinformation comes in. And so there 200 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 6: is a complete pattern that we saw from the fights 201 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 6: that led to the voting rights movement in the sixties 202 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 6: and to what we see now. In addition to that, 203 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 6: oh my god, when I tell you, Mikai, I am 204 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 6: working asp beating something to drink. 205 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, all right, Makai mikak one two three, 206 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. 207 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: Frankiez. Latasha is speaking as she's sort of describing this 208 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: legal landscape with the legal barriers, the way that they're 209 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: weaponizing fear. It reminds me of something that you just 210 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: said when we began, which is that it literally feels 211 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: like you're going to war exactly. 212 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 5: And Natasha is absolutely right. By changing how things are done, 213 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 5: you create a sense of distrust in the institutions and 214 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 5: the system. For example, we sue the state of Floida twice. 215 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 5: State of Florida started changing the way that third party 216 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 5: organizations like the Hispanic Federation and our member agencies are 217 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 5: able to register and educate Latinos in Florida. They came 218 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 5: up with this new rule in which they said that 219 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 5: people that are legal residents, that they are legally here 220 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 5: in the United States, are not allowed to touch voter 221 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 5: registration forms. And some of our most effective messengers and 222 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 5: canvassers are those people that are legal residents grink card holders. 223 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 5: They are legally here in the United States, but they 224 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 5: still are not citizens, and they go out in communities 225 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 5: and they urge people saying, register and vote for those 226 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 5: in my family that cannot vote, yet they are passionate, 227 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 5: they are effective, and the State of Floyida knew that 228 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 5: and pass this rule to make it illegal for anybody 229 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 5: that is not an American citizen to touch or manage 230 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 5: borter registration forms. They could send policemen to your home 231 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 5: to investigate. We sue the State of Florida, and the 232 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 5: court came back and said that it was not constitutional 233 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 5: to do this. Every time we do border songs and 234 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 5: we talk to people over the phone, and we put 235 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: our hotline number for anybody to call, we have to 236 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 5: have separate rules because if somebody calls from Florida, we 237 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 5: need to have a separate script. So it makes it 238 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: almost impossible for us to be able to empower our 239 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: community and educate them about their rights. For the first 240 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: time in our history, our canvassers, people have shown them guns, 241 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 5: people have spit on our canvassers. We have to have 242 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 5: now security protocols. And that is the situation that Latasha 243 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: is rescribing and that we are seeing. And it's not 244 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: just an attack on one community or another, it is 245 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 5: on all communities of color. 246 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: Frankie, this week, you along with Latino Victory Foundation, which 247 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: is another major Latino organization released a new poll of 248 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: Latino and Latina voters in key battleground states in your 249 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: piece out this week in Time magazine entitled We're missing 250 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: the point about Latino voters. This is what you say quote. 251 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: There are many reasons this election cycle could tilt to 252 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: one candidate or another in such an evenly divided country. 253 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: A poor understanding of the Latino community should not be 254 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: one of them. Okay, Frankie, So give us your takeaway 255 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: from your polling. 256 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 5: Our poll tells us that Latinos continue to be interested 257 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: in this election, that more than seventy one percent of 258 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 5: Latinos in battleground states are intending to vote, and that 259 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 5: the top issues are pocketbook issues, and of course battleground 260 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: states swing states, that's where Latinos are going to make 261 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: a huge difference, because we. 262 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: Have not been polled properly. 263 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 5: Right, Many people have claimed that they have done these polls, 264 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 5: and when you see the sample sizes minuscule, I know, 265 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 5: and they're making these big generalizations about our community. 266 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: And we're correcting that whereas. 267 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: Like we talked of ten Latinos and we're drupping this 268 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: huge conclusion. 269 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets frustrating. 270 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: So Latasha, as we know here on in the FIG 271 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: Black and Latino communities, neither of these groups are in 272 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: fact monolithic. Now we also know, and you know this right, 273 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: our communities, you know, more than likely are going to 274 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: be the deciding factor in this election, and they have 275 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: been considered as strongholds for the Democratic Party. But you know, 276 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: the polls are signaling that the twenty twenty four political 277 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: landscape is increasingly more complex. And obviously what we've been saying, 278 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: which is you cannot take these votes for granted. I 279 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: mentioned this because last week a New York Times Siena 280 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: College poll found that Vice President Harris had approximately ten 281 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: percent less support from Black voters than Joe Biden did 282 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. I'm sure, what are electoral strategists missing 283 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: when it comes to understanding reaching analyzing black voters, black men, 284 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: What does power building in these communities look like now? 285 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: But also beyond the election, I think the way that 286 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: Frankie framed this as we are at war, I think 287 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: that's a perfect analogy. And so if you're at war, 288 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: you got your ground troops and then you've got your 289 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: air cover. 290 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: It is going to boil down to three things. 291 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 6: It's about message, money, and mobilization, and message is not 292 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 6: the one size fits all message. 293 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: That does not work anymore. 294 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 6: What the Harris campaign has been doing, in my opinion, 295 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 6: they have done some of the best ass I've ever 296 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 6: seen in any campaign. But there's also an issue that ultimately, 297 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: while the messaging has been great, people are not really 298 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 6: trusting the political parties. So the question isn't just around 299 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 6: the message. Who are your messengers? The best messengers are 300 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 6: those groups that are on often, that are doing the 301 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 6: work that represents the community, that have credibility. And so 302 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 6: in this campaign, I think it's a matter of how 303 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 6: are we going to utilize our greatest resource, And our 304 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 6: greatest resource are the people, the leaders, that activists, who 305 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 6: are day in and day out working in those communities. 306 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 4: And quite frankly, they've got the street credibility. They are 307 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: the best message. 308 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 6: We're distrustful of traditional kind of political messages. 309 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: So, dear listener, it's that time of the week again. 310 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: I know, I know you've been waiting for it because 311 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: you want to hear what is this week's la men 312 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: did all die, which of course means the big lie 313 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: in Spanish, And this is our segment where we get 314 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: together with our friends at fatchagether in order to combat 315 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: the lies that are going viral in Spanish, because you 316 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: need to know about this. Today we're talking about misinformation 317 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: online about immigrant communities because you know it's everywhere, and 318 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: it's a lie that sadly never dies, right, I mean 319 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: eating cats and dogs, Ring a bell, everybody, Yeah, that 320 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: happened in our country. So a video was making the 321 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: rounds on social media last month claiming to be a 322 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: Venezuelan immigrants robbing a store in Colorado, a claim that 323 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: helps prop up the false idea that immigrants are dangerous 324 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: and causing mayhem in US cities. But no, dear listener, 325 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: fact Chick Gado looked into this video and found that 326 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: really it's of an assault on a supermarket all the 327 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: way down in Brazil mihind de Brazil. So thank you 328 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 2: fact Chick Guado for debunking myths about our community all 329 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: the time. And tune in again, dear listener, for Lamniota 330 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: next week. 331 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 3: So, Frank, I feel like we can no longer talk 332 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: about the Latino community without talking about disan misinformation, right. 333 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I think at this point we all know 334 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 3: the ways in which the Spanish language community is particularly 335 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: exposed to all of these different miss and disinformation campaigns. 336 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: But what are you seeing on the ground, I mean, 337 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 3: what are some of the main messages, main themes that 338 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: are circulating around the community. 339 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to give you a perfect example of 340 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 5: what is a way to manipulate our community to exploit 341 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 5: generational trauma. If you talk to people that recently arrived 342 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 5: from countries that have been affected by political instability, let's 343 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 5: say Cubans or Venezuelans, and you talk and you basically 344 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 5: use noun birth communism, noun birth socialism. It is a wrong. 345 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 5: So we're constantly hearing all these messaging targeting our community, 346 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 5: and we're trying as much as possible to correct that 347 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 5: because when we ask the right questions, we see that 348 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 5: Latinos remain progressive in nearly three to one margin on 349 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 5: major policy issues, that are more likely to support candidates 350 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 5: that are supporting reproductive rights, pathway to citizenship. We understand 351 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: what is right and wrong, but when you are targeting 352 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 5: our community in a vicious way, it's going to have 353 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 5: a horrible effect on our community. 354 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: So you mentioned the word communism, So I actually grew up. 355 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in Miami around the 356 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: Cuban American community, and so I've seen firsthand, Frankie, the 357 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: way in which Republicans have really exploited that generational trauma 358 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: that you're talking about. 359 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 4: Right. 360 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 3: There's a reason why Donald Trump in this moment keeps 361 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: saying the word Comrade Kamalo, right, And that's just a 362 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: way to do what Republicans have done for many years, 363 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 3: which is really manipulate the essence of words. Now that 364 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: if you go to Miami right now, to be a 365 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: Democrat means socialista. When they say Obamacare, it means communismo. 366 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: When they say Black Lives Matter, it means radical left. 367 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 3: I remember being in Miami two years ago talking to 368 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: an insurrectionist and he said that what was driving him 369 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: to storm the Capitol on January sixth was the paranoia 370 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 3: that Joe Biden would instill communism in this country. And 371 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 3: so to your point, Frankie, I think we're kind of 372 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: in the middle of this perfect storm and it's hard 373 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 3: to understand how to get out of that. 374 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 5: I think that the community based organizations, those organizations that 375 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: never closed their doors during the pandemic, that we're providing 376 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 5: cash assistant, rental assistance, food assistance to people aren't those 377 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 5: that have the trust of our community and they're the 378 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 5: best equipped to really correct the record. 379 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: To do this. 380 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 5: However, it is very difficult when you have systems and 381 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 5: states and governors and let you trying as much as 382 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 5: possible to basically put a gag on everything that we're 383 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 5: trying to do. But we're hopeful, and that is why 384 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 5: the Federation is putting money from our own reserves, and 385 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 5: we're going to go out on the streets and we're 386 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 5: going to do everything. We're going to do everything that 387 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 5: we need to do, even if it costs us everything, 388 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 5: because again, we are here in the bottom for our 389 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 5: lives and we're going to do it because we're committed. 390 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 6: Diddle diddle diddo the same we've actually had to pull 391 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 6: from our reserves because we know how important this is. 392 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 6: I want people who are listening to really understand. You know, 393 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 6: I know year after year we say it's a critical election, 394 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 6: but it is. This is a critical election, not just 395 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 6: because it's several reasons. 396 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 4: I'll just be real grief. One, when people are actually 397 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: coming at our. 398 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 6: Communities and saying things that dehumanize us saying things that 399 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 6: literally seek to undermine who we are in our humanity 400 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 6: and make fun of our identity. 401 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 4: There has to be a consequence. 402 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 6: We cannot think that that is okay in any circumstance 403 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 6: and like this is regular politics. That part of the 404 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 6: reason why Trump has flourished in some ways, there's been 405 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 6: mainstream actors who actually act as if this is a 406 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 6: normal election and it is not. 407 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: The second thing I think is important for us to 408 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: know is we have the power. 409 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 6: Part of the reason why the voter suppression is happening 410 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 6: at the scale and at the level that we're seeing 411 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 6: is because our communities. I will tell you it will 412 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 6: be the will and the work of communities of color 413 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 6: in this election cycle that will make the difference of 414 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 6: whether this nation goes forward and becomes an America for 415 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 6: all of us, or if we go backwards in this 416 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 6: same racist trope. And then the third thing I think 417 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 6: is really important for us to know is that America 418 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 6: is getting younger. The young people in our communities, they're 419 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 6: asking the right questions, they're organizing. This is really important 420 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 6: for us to support that work and see the opportunity 421 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 6: that exists in this moment. It's about Harris. But it's 422 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 6: acting much greater than just one election campaign. 423 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 4: We've got to send a message. 424 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 6: Leverage our power and create the nation that we desire, 425 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 6: but most importantly that we deserve. 426 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: You set us up nicely, Latasha. 427 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 2: The way we like to wrap here is to focus 428 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: on joy, because I have to say it is alarming 429 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: to me to hear both Frankie and Latasha talking, you know, 430 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 2: like in war, but we also find joy. 431 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: I think you're right, madea And the question is whether 432 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: that inspiration that the Democrats are trying to garner around 433 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: the Vice president will be greater than the fear that 434 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: Trump business is trying to instill. And I think, honestly 435 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 3: it'll come down to people like Frankie, to people like 436 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: Latasha that are really trying to show people the life 437 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: at the. 438 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: End of the tunnel. 439 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: So I think to your point, joy has never been 440 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: more important than now. 441 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: Frankie, just take us out with something that is giving 442 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: you some joy these days. 443 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 5: What is giving me joy these days is being able 444 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 5: to hear that even through the noise, even through all 445 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 5: the distractions, tons of people in our community are interested, 446 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: they're committed, and they will come out in record numbers 447 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 5: That is what gives me joy. That is what gives 448 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 5: me even the days that I feel that I cannot 449 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 5: do this any longer, That's what gave me joy. Because 450 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 5: people are listening, and people needs us all the way 451 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 5: through November fifth and beyond, because America is America because 452 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 5: of democratic elections, and we're going to fights Ford. 453 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: Heck, yes, Latasha, I don't know if I knew that 454 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: you are a singer. So please, Sis, can you take 455 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 2: us out with just a few lines of something that 456 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 2: will bring some joy? 457 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Marie. 458 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 6: I will just say that each and every one of us, 459 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 6: I hope we recognize that we are light. 460 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: Bearers and we should stay in that space. 461 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 7: This little light of mind, I'm gonna let it shine, 462 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 7: this little lot of mine, I'm gonna let it shine, 463 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 7: this lit a lot of mine. 464 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 4: I'm gonna let. 465 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 7: It shine, Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine. 466 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I feel better, not. 467 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: Frankie, Midanda, Latasha Brown, thank you so much for joining 468 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: Baola and me on this episode of In the Thick 469 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: and lifting my spirits, making me a little nervous lifting 470 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: my spirits too. 471 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, madam, Thanks everybody, You're welcome. 472 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 4: Thank you. 473 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 474 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: In the Thicks pop up season is supported by Futu 475 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: Media's Friends of Democracy Fund, which you can continue to 476 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: donate to. 477 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Dear listener, you can do this. 478 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: Fun sustainers include Dipadonde, April Gasler, and carmin Rita Wong. 479 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: Fun Legacy one hundred supporters include Martha Richards and Mark Ring. 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