1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: by searching app as talk. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: Oh what's up? Everybody? Happy Friday? 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb was in for Colin Cowherd this morning, So 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 3: you get me Monty Bilanos and Dan Bayer as we 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: fill in. Hope you're enjoying your Friday, maybe having a cocktail. 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: It's already one o'clock. 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: If I was not here with Dan, I would probably 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: be having a cocktail right now. 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 4: I was just mixing them in the back. 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: I would be I'd be afraid. 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 3: If you made me a cocktail, I would know how 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: to shake. 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: You would not a shake. 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 4: That's that's about it. 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: That's it. 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 4: I would try to flip it all up. Cocktail is 22 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: at the Tom Cruise movie. That's what I would try 23 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 4: to do. 24 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: It's like, uh, what is that I'm blaking out on 25 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: that show? 26 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: The restaurant Guy John Sean, Oh bar Rescue and how 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: you're you know how you're supposed to shake. 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: You got to get into it. 29 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: Dan, my buddy, was an extra in an episode of Bars. Yeah, 30 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 4: he sat at the bar, tasted a drink and was 31 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 4: not pleased. That was his That was his role in 32 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: the UH in the undercover operation before changes were made 33 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 4: to rescue that bar. 34 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: I love John Taffer. I just want him to yell 35 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: at me. 36 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: Those shows like you have to yell. It's what makes 37 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 4: Gordon Ramsey like so great, Like you have to be 38 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 4: mean to these people. But some of those are fake. 39 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: Yes, a side note, I did an episode for Dodgers 40 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: for that Gordon Ramsey Hell's Kitchen whatever. 41 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: That was master Chef, That's what it was. 42 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: It was a thing with Freddie Freeman and his wife 43 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: and I was like the tour guide and I did 44 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: a thing and I wanted to see what his name. 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: I don't watch the show, Gordon Ramsay, guess I wanted 46 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: to see and I wanted to see if he was actually. 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Like that nicest guy ever all smiles. 48 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: Until it was time to do the episode, everybody was 49 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: chatting with super nice guy did not come off like 50 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: what you would expect on TV. 51 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: There was there was another show that was completely staged. 52 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 4: There was someone who worked here at Fox Sports Radio 53 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: that did some acting on the side. Oh yeah, and 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: she was used as the bad waitress, the one who 55 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: would take like the toast from your blt and wipe 56 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 4: it under her arms nice and then like that's and 57 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: then she had a different. 58 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: Name every time. 59 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 4: I had a different backstory. But we saw that one 60 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 4: and I there are so many restaurants shows that have 61 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 4: different you know, undercover or whatever, all the different ones. 62 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: But that's how I found out. I'm like, wow, some 63 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: of these may not be as real as you think. 64 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 4: That's like the house Hunting episodes or the house Hunter 65 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 4: and those when you're looking for places to go, I 66 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: think it's done in the reverse order. Like you found 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: your home, so that's going to be one of the 68 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 4: three homes you look at. Now, they just got to 69 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: find two other vacant ones that they could use to 70 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: make the TV show absolutely right, Like we found this 71 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: magic Yeah, we found this two bedroom condo that we 72 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 4: wanted to buy on the shores of the Outer Banks 73 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 4: in North Carolina. Awesome, if you want to be on 74 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: a TV show, We'll find two other blank or vacant 75 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: properties and show you those and you can get on 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 4: a TV show. I think that's how it works. I'm not, 77 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: don't quote me on that, but I feel that that's 78 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: that's right, like the hay was already in. 79 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: The barn exactly. 80 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: That's the magic behind it. There is no magic behind 81 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: the NBA schedule. It's eighty two games for each team 82 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: that goes from mid October to mid April, and then 83 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: we start to care about the playoffs. However, this year's 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: NBA schedule has gotten more attention not for who plays 85 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: who and where and a little bit of when, but 86 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 4: it's more of where on TV. In yesterday, it was 87 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: brought up for basketball fans when the schedules released on 88 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 4: what you can expect to get from an NBA season 89 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: that we have never had before because I think our 90 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: normal schedules, Manzi, where we knew Thursday nights was TNT, 91 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: Wednesday and Friday was ESPN, and then TNT would have 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: Tuesday games at times as well, and you get your 93 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: Saturday night ABC game and maybe random games here and there. 94 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: But you knew on Thursday night you could count on 95 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 4: TNT and Wednesday and Fridays on ESPN, and that was 96 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 4: fine with me. Maybe there'd be a random game on 97 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: NBA TV. But this is how your NBA regular season 98 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 4: will now be viewed for the seven days of the 99 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 4: week when the NBA regular season is going on, Monday 100 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 4: nights Peacock only, Tuesday nights NBC and Peacock, Wednesday's ESPN, 101 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: Thursday's Amazon Prime, Friday's Amazon Prime and E Saturday's Amazon Prime, ABC, 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: Sunday's ABC, NBC and Peacock. So we have five nights 103 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: out of the week where you will get either ESPN 104 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 4: or of the game on network TV, whether it be 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 4: ABC or NBC. Monday and Thursday nights will be streaming exclusives. 106 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: Monday to Peacock, Thursday to Amazon Prime. And to me, MONTI, 107 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: they've now completely eliminated the casual viewing NBA fan that 108 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 4: I am because I am not going to be loading 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 4: up an app on my screen to be searching out 110 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: the Nuggets and Grizzlies in mid January. It's just not 111 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: going to happen if it was on TNT, if it 112 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: was on ESPN that night. I know I may sound 113 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: like a dinosaur, but I would tune in, but I'm 114 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: not going to actively go to these spots when the 115 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 4: season is as long as it is. I just I 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: don't think that the NBA is trying to broaden their audience. 117 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: It's a broadening of the pocketbook and trying to seem 118 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: forward thinking in all of this. 119 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: It's just interesting that they've made these choices knowing that 120 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: the viewership is already down and now you're making it 121 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: a little bit more complicated for the casual fan and 122 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: as more than I would say a casual fan myself 123 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: when it comes to the NBA, you are making this 124 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: more complicated for me than it needs to be. And 125 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: I'm somebody who does look for these games, but now 126 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to be like, no NBA on TNT, what 127 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 3: games am I really. 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: Going to tune into? 129 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: Because, like you said, aside from the Clippers, like you said, 130 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: it's a long season. This isn't comparable to the NFL 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: putting one off games on streaming services for eighteen weeks 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: of the season twenty two. 133 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, Like, it's not the same. 134 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: So I don't know what Basketball is thinking, because it 135 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: does seem like this is shoving out maybe a lot 136 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: of the casual fans. It should be easy for me 137 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: to tune into a game not more difficult. 138 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: I and I don't want to sound like a dinosaur. 139 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: Now they can do. 140 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: But I just I I have a satellite direct TV package, 141 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: and I know those are becoming fewer and fewer. I 142 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: am more curious on people who have unplugged from that, 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 4: like Jason Stewart. I don't know what your TV set up. 144 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 4: Do you have cable satellite stream? 145 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: We do to direct TV the like app, So I 146 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: don't have like a SAP, but I do have cable 147 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: like an app that is streaming, but it's like the 148 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: cable channels, right, like I have TV. I have Amazon Prime, 149 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: but I don't have Peacock. I'm not going to add 150 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: it now. 151 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: I will watch the NFL games on Thursday night on Amazon. Yeah, 152 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: and maybe not think twice about it. But I'll be honest, 153 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: when halftime comes around, I do feel a little bit handcuffed. Okay, 154 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: Now do I drop out of the app? Hopefully that 155 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: the Apple work get back yep. And that's just for 156 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: one of two hundred and seventy two NFL games that 157 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: we get in the season. When you have thirty teams 158 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: playing eighty two games, there's a lot of basketball for 159 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: me to consume, none of which I'm probably going to 160 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: be unless you're playing fantasy basketball or betting on the 161 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: games that I'm gonna or if it's not the box playing, 162 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: I'm not going to have that diar of a need 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: to watch. I just feel that the NBA doesn't give 164 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: you a lot of reasons to watch regular season basketball, 165 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: and now they're making it more difficult for you to 166 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: watch it with it being on these streaming services on 167 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: these selective nights. 168 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: They are making it more difficult. 169 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: And I can only assume that those big games that 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: you and I and everybody else wants to watch are 171 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: probably going to. 172 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: Be on NBC ABC on different days, those people were 173 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: already going to tune in. 174 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: But all the other games that you're talking about, which 175 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: is what we're mentioning here, to the NBA, you're not 176 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: making the right decision for all those other games that 177 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: you should be trying to make easily accessible to the 178 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: casual fan. 179 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: It misses the mark absolutely to me. To me, it does. 180 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 4: I think the NBA the way to make it better 181 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 4: is to and I know that this isn't a real 182 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: way of thinking, but would be to provide less games, 183 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 4: like to provide to make it more of the one off. 184 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: So a long long time ago, Mansie, before you were 185 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 4: even born, Jason and Isaac and myself remember this. Chris 186 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: is too young to remember it. But there were games 187 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: of the week and so it was a big deal, 188 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: especially in Major League Baseball. Now, granted we didn't have 189 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 4: as many options, but still it's not like there are 190 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: forty two channels with games on them like they're still 191 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: it's either ESPN or or in this case now NBC 192 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 4: having the games and previously the Turner channels, but it 193 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: made it a must watch thing. Having games on every 194 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: night makes it less of an immediate need to watch 195 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 4: the games. And now if I have to do more 196 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 4: to watch those games, it's not working. You're pointing comparing 197 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: it to the NFL is completely right. They're not comparable 198 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: sapples to oranges. It doesn't work. 199 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: And this is coming from an actual NBA fan that 200 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: I like to watch other teams than the Clippers. But 201 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: now you're making me be You're making me feel like 202 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: it's a hassle, and I shouldn't feel that way. 203 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: When your birthday is late January, right, it is? Yes, 204 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: here's his man, Jennuary. Yes it is So on January 205 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: twenty sixth on Peacock, you can watch the Magic Cavaliers, 206 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: Trailblazers or Celtics and the Warriors and the Timberwolves, or 207 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: you could just wait the next night and watch the 208 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: Bucks and Sixers and Clippers and Jazz. So if you 209 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 4: had to, like, would you is there anything that would 210 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 4: make you say, you know what, I'm going to watch 211 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: Magic Calves, even though then tomorrow, no, I'm going to 212 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: watch this game. And then on Wednesday you've got more 213 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: games that you can end up watching on ESPN. Like 214 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: that's the and NBC's is going to be different. By 215 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: the way, I believe that that the West Coast is 216 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: going to get the late game in their primetime and 217 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: then the East Coast will have the early game in 218 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: their primetime, and the other game is going to be 219 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 4: on Peacock. That's the understanding. So it's not like you're 220 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 4: getting an NBC double header every single night. I think 221 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: that they are staggered on Peacock and NBC for the 222 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 4: specific coast. But it's just the point of if you 223 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: don't have a dog in the fight, I know you 224 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: have a clip with the Clippers, and that's a bad example, 225 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: but if you wanted to watch get your NBA fixed 226 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 4: with Bucks and Sixers, there'd be no reason to watch 227 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: Blazer Celtics or Matt you know, Magic and Calves. 228 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: As you're as you're telling me all this, I'm like, 229 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: why are we complicating the situation for NBA fans? Because 230 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: if there is a game that I think I'm gonna 231 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: catch on a certain day of the week and I 232 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: turn turn it on and it's not there, I'm. 233 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: Gonna get over it really quickly. 234 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: Like by the end of the season, I feel like 235 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: the numbers are going to be really low for the NBA. 236 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: People are gonna be tired of keeping this schedule. I 237 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: can barely keep my own schedule now I'm gonna have 238 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, on Mondays. 239 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: Where are we playing? Who's forget it? Forget it? Put 240 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: on reruns of Law and Order. I don't even care anymore. 241 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 4: It's also it's also shows you the value of inside 242 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: the NBA is that you just knew that that show 243 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: was gonna be on on Thursday, so you may have 244 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 4: tuned into the game whether the game was good or not. 245 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: I was gonna say people were tuning in for them 246 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: the game was the game was like an added bonus. 247 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: But you you watched NBA on T and T to 248 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: watch the guys. The game was just supplemental. 249 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: Is that the word? Is it right? 250 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: Yes? 251 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 4: No, that's yeah. Addition all that, No, it supplements the 252 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: house game show that we all would rather watch. Jason, 253 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 4: you cut the cord a while, I think it have 254 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 4: gone streaming. How do you view this as someone who 255 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: isn't a satellite or cable user. 256 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 5: A couple of things. I think saying that I still 257 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 5: have cable but it's on an app is the cutest 258 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 5: way to say. I cut the cord. I still have cable, 259 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 5: but it's on an app. 260 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: It is it is, got it stream it. 261 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: I cut the cord real early, like twenty eighteen. And 262 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 5: I am a very casual NBA fan. In fact, I 263 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: don't even know if I didn't work in the industry, 264 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 5: I don't even know if I would follow the NBA anymore. 265 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: So this to me completely takes me out. I'm definitely 266 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 5: not seeking out NBA games on Peacock, and I think 267 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 5: a lot of our listeners probably followed in my category. 268 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 5: I think a lot of the decisions that the NBA 269 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: has made over the past couple years has catered to 270 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: their like p ones, their NBA fans, as opposed to 271 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: trying to draw more into the tent. Right the play 272 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: in game for the playoffs, who's that serving NBA fans? 273 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 5: The NBA Cup is serving NBA fans. Whatever the hell 274 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 5: they're doing with their All Star weekend now is definitely 275 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 5: serving only NBA fans because I'm not interested. 276 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 4: I do think that the play in tournament did something 277 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: with the fan bases of those teams to keep those 278 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: fan bases interested, yes, in a bit longer to think 279 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 4: that they have a chance or have the opportunity to 280 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: make the playoffs, and keep them more interested in the 281 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 4: regular season. 282 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: I think it brought excitement, but it was just short lived, 283 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: and it might not be for all the fan bases 284 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: like you're saying, but it does a level of excitement 285 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: that we weren't experiencing in the middle of the season. 286 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: The games like when Jah Moran had like forty something 287 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,119 Speaker 4: against the Warriors and we were actually fortunate to get 288 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: like the Warriors and Lakers in these games to make 289 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: them interesting. I think that was like the newness of it, 290 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: and it's exciting now that it's been here. A couple 291 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: of years. I think, to Jason's point, maybe it's worn off, 292 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 4: but I feel like their decision making behind what the 293 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 4: play in tournament was was to try to keep more 294 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: fan bases interested to have their team still be in 295 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 4: the running for a playoff spot. These decisions are being 296 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 4: made for the people who are already going to consume 297 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: the NBA and not trying to bring in more people 298 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: to watch the product. 299 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, these decisions are made for money. Yeah, yes, 300 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: that's what this is really all about. And it's just 301 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: sad because if you want to keep this simple in 302 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: black and white, this is about money, and you are 303 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: not doing this for the casual basketball fan when you 304 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,119 Speaker 3: were already losing viewership. 305 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: You are already losing that, so why divide it even more? 306 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: Why make it more complicated. I'm having a hard time 307 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: with this. 308 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 5: Can we talk about the app experience in any sport? 309 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: And I even come across this on the NFL stuff 310 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 5: like Christmas Day or whatever. When you're just watching the app, 311 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 5: you very much lose that channel surfing during breaks, channel 312 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 5: surfing during downtown. Unless you've got multiple team you need 313 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 5: to do something to fix that. Some technology I don't 314 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 5: know what the answer is. But going to an app 315 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: for a game, and I've done it for the Caitlin 316 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 5: Clark games, You're just stuck on this Amazon app without it, 317 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 5: without any channel surfing. What's the fix there? 318 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: I don't know. I have no idea, and I've wondered 319 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: if there are other like if you could if you 320 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: could just use your channel changer like an app, but 321 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: there's still stuff within that that you would have to 322 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: access the game because of all the opportunities of programming, and. 323 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: Then scroll through here through that get It's not it's 324 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: not like just changing the channel. 325 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: I agree with you, Jason, and that's what I'm saying. 326 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: It's like if I'm trying to watch a game, and 327 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: let's just hypothetically say I get Peacock and I try 328 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: to load Peacock and it doesn't work, I'm gonna be 329 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: over it so fast. 330 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: And that's the problem. It should be easily accessible to me. 331 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have. 332 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: To go through hoops and things to try and you know, 333 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: watch a damn game. 334 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 6: Can I ask the group a question along these lines, 335 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 6: for all of you, when you've been watching games on 336 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 6: apps and devices, how often does the stream at least 337 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 6: temporarily either stop working entirely, or there's a problem with 338 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 6: the video quality of the feed, Like it's all blurry 339 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 6: and how many times does it just cut out altogether 340 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 6: every damn day? 341 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: Really? 342 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 5: Me too, Me too. 343 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: It hasn't as much to me. 344 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 5: Nice, but it speaks to your internet connection. 345 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean we're you know, to the top level. No, 346 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: I've watched games on the golf course on my phone. Okay, 347 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: so like no, like like it. 348 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 3: But it's such a flex No, it's. 349 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 4: Not the technology of country. I I it's not. And 350 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 4: that's the part where I think where I'm trying not 351 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: to sound like, get off my long gun. I know 352 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 4: Chris wants to jump in. I just want to quick 353 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 4: make this point of I don't think it's about the 354 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: technology and being old. I think it's about the NBA 355 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 4: valuing their product in a way that they think we 356 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 4: want to consume it seven nights a week and now 357 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: I have to do extra work to do it. And 358 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 4: I think that's the gross misjudgment on this is the 359 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: NFL is great because we don't have it every night, 360 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 4: and the season is shorter, so we are always craving it. 361 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: We are already complaining about more basketball. Now you're giving 362 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 4: us more basketball and you're making it more difficult for 363 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: me to watch it. 364 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: That's it. 365 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 4: That's where I think that they've completely missed the boat 366 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 4: on what the casual fan really wants. And again Manzi says, 367 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 4: it goes back to Wenny Chris Papet. You know. 368 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 7: The sport that's on every night that like doesn't take 369 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 7: up any of our attention span a lot is baseball. 370 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 7: So like, I mean, I like baseball, but it is 371 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 7: absolutely I'm willing to throw a Tigers game on in 372 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 7: the background kind of thing. I think if basketball keeps 373 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 7: putting itself out there like this, it kind of threatens 374 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 7: to be that. But they want to be the event. 375 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 7: And the other point that the main. 376 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, but it is a great, great point 377 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: because the NBA needs to think more like Major League 378 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 4: Baseball and not like the NFL. 379 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 7: Right, So they have too many games to be an event, 380 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 7: but they want that event or that the NFL has, 381 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 7: and it's just they're always going to lose out. But 382 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 7: I think the big thing that the problem here more 383 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 7: than anything, and it's a problem for every sports league 384 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 7: out there, is as you're embracing streaming technology. All these 385 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 7: frustrations you're all talking about that is a negative for everyone, 386 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 7: that will eventually drive people away. And I think as 387 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 7: much as they've seen them, the dollar signs with Amazon, Peacock, Netflix. 388 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 7: I I'm a big soccer fan and I saw and 389 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 7: MLS retreated their entire package behind Apple TV plus the 390 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 7: next that same year, after they did that, they had 391 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 7: a sixty percent drop in the MLS Cup final that 392 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 7: they put on main big time Fox TV. Sixty percent 393 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 7: of the audience went away because nobody you're you're managing, 394 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 7: as you say, multiple apps. Do you have Peacock, do 395 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 7: you have Amazon? And I think that that is something 396 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 7: losing channel flipping, all these things add up to an 397 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 7: experience that is a almost more expensive now than cable 398 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 7: in a lot of ways, and b pushes the casual 399 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 7: fan away and just I think you start losing the 400 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 7: act accessibility of sports entirely. And I just wonder at 401 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 7: some point does the does that rooster come home? Does 402 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 7: those hens come home to roost? For the NBA and 403 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 7: they see their ratings likewise, try to go from a 404 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 7: streaming ecosystem back to network TV and then the ratings tank. 405 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think both of you are hitting it on 406 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: the head where it's like you think you're making this more. 407 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: Accessible, but you're actually not. 408 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: There were times when I would you'd be able to 409 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: watch an NBA game, and sometimes it was it would 410 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: go from ESPN to like T and T and they 411 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 3: would tell you, oh, you know, next game is over there, 412 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: and I just hit a button and I'd. 413 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: Go back to it. Now, that's it's not making it 414 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: simple for me. 415 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: And I agree with what you're saying, Chris, it should 416 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: they should look more at baseball. I don't know how 417 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: basketball doesn't take advantage of like day games more often 418 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: during the during the regular season. Have a noon game, 419 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: people will go sure right now, people love did not 420 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 3: go to work. 421 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 7: M WEILB has their own very strong app and MLBtv 422 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 7: as well. And I I think back like ten years ago, 423 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 7: League Pass was a cool thing. I don't hear about 424 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 7: League Pass anymore, and I don't think League Pass really 425 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 7: holds the candle to what they do. 426 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: Leave Bess is a big thing within NBA Twitter, and 427 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 4: that's and that's the point is Adam Silver in the 428 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: NBA are catering to the to that audience, to the 429 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 4: NBA Twitter audience and to a place where they can 430 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 4: catch their checks. To Moncy's point, I don't think it 431 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: does anything for us to like the NBA regular season more, 432 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 4: since we've been complaining about it for years and now 433 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 4: this just gives us more difficulty to try to to 434 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: try to like something that we already are frustrated with. 435 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 8: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 436 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 8: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 437 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 8: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 438 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 8: listen live. 439 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 4: Gottliebshell Fox Sports Radio. She's Monzi Blania, So I'm Dan Beyer. 440 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 4: Isaac Longcrown is going to give us an update of 441 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 4: what's happening in the world of sports in about nine minutes. 442 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 4: Maybe we'll take all of those nine and talk about 443 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 4: the scandal in college football that apparently wrapped up today 444 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 4: Michigan finding out their sanctions by the NCAA following the 445 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: Connor Stallions spying scandal. To talk about that and so 446 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 4: much more, we welcome in, publisher of College Footballnews dot 447 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 4: Com and someone who you will probably hear four hundred 448 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: and fifty two more times on the network between now 449 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: and the National Championship game in January. The one and 450 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 4: only Pete Futech joins the programmer. Hello, Pete, how are you? 451 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 9: And no appearance is going to be better than this 452 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 9: one because you've got fully charged me at this point. 453 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 9: You get me in mid to late October. I'm not 454 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 9: promising anything, all right. 455 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: Pete, Let's get right into it. Did Michigan get off 456 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: easy here? 457 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 9: Yeah? I mean, look, first of all, it's not really 458 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 9: a scandal nothing. No laws were broken here, I mean, 459 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 9: and in fact, most of the things that are getting 460 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 9: punished for or actually not illegal according to NCAA rules. 461 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 9: So they just got kind of, you know, slapped on 462 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 9: the risks for being naughty. But let's be honest here, 463 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 9: Jim Harbaugh is never going to coach in the college 464 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 9: ranks again. He's too good of a head coach. He'll 465 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 9: stay there forever, counter Stallions whatever. Sharon Moore is not 466 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 9: going to get to coach against you know, Central Directional 467 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 9: State or something like this for one game. And twenty 468 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 9: million dollars is pocket change. That's a rounding ara to 469 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 9: Michigan and all the good Michigan Maze and Blue people 470 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 9: get to keep all their national championship T shirts and 471 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 9: Ohio State. People are still mad big Win, Michigan fine 472 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 9: ball gets kicked off on Saturday. Let's go. 473 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, it's it is crazy. It is 474 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 4: someone who's based in the Midwest, from the Midwest, and 475 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 4: I know Pete your roots are there as well. Like 476 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: it seems like it's a bigger deal to those teams 477 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 4: than those schools that were affected by it. Is Is 478 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: this an NCAA doesn't have power? Is it to more 479 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: of what you were saying on how it's not the 480 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: maybe scandal of all scandals, because I said to Manti, 481 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: I just said, it's what happened previously with the COVID 482 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: stuff that I thought they were really going to get 483 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: hammered because this wasn't the first time. But why do 484 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: you think it ended up like this? 485 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 9: There's nothing you can do. And like, first of all, 486 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 9: the whole Midwest thing is like the coaches who are 487 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 9: graping about this thing, they knew this was going on, 488 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 9: and one they were mad that they didn't think of 489 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 9: it first. Two they weren't any good at it, the 490 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 9: ones who were kind of half trying it, and they're 491 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 9: just three they never called them out like Okay, you 492 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 9: could have said something at the time, guys, but you didn't, 493 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 9: and the time to do this was right in the 494 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 9: middle of the run. How this should have happened is 495 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 9: if the Big Ten had at they should have said, 496 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 9: you know what, you are ineligible to play for the 497 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 9: Big Ten Championship and to go from there. The College 498 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 9: Footballlayoff committee's job would have been to take all the 499 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 9: different parts and say, Okay, we still think Michigan should 500 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 9: be anyway. It's not really their job to judge that. 501 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 9: They're just job to come up with a tournament and 502 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 9: go from there. But there was no way the Big 503 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 9: Ten was going to say, hey, Michigan, hey, thanks for 504 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 9: making us like a jillion dollars a year. Now you're 505 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 9: going to get suspended from our biggest showcase game and 506 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 9: maybe not go play for the national championship. There's no 507 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 9: way they're going to suspend them for the future, because 508 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 9: if they did and say, you know what, you're ineligible 509 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 9: for the postseason, you'd get a call from you know, 510 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 9: either you know somewhere around Bristol, Connecticut, or Grapevine, Texas 511 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 9: or somewhere saying no, we don't want you to keep 512 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 9: Michigan out of the tournament of the college football playoffs 513 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 9: if they're eligible for this, So what are you gonna do? 514 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 9: Are you gonna punish you know, future teams? Okay, I 515 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 9: mean maybe you can take away scholarships or something, but 516 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 9: there's just really no punishment. Vacated wins do nothing. If 517 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 9: they were just come out and say, well, you are 518 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 9: not the official national championshampion, like Michigan fans care, we'd 519 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 9: all take that deal. If you're telling me right now 520 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 9: that that's the punishment. But my favorite teams get to 521 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 9: win a championship, fine, let's go. 522 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: So do we blame the Big Ten? 523 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: Then? 524 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 9: I don't know. I actually kind of just blamed everyone 525 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 9: else for not being smarter. I mean, look, I mean 526 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 9: look Robin's Race and son you know this. It's if 527 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 9: all they're doing is they were they were kind of 528 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 9: figured out a better espionage way of doing things, which 529 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 9: you know, it's an American it's not right. But again, 530 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 9: what Conner Stallions did wasn't there wasn't any rule against 531 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 9: it because someone had to imagination to really come up 532 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 9: with it. And basically they said you can't you can't 533 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 9: scout opposing teams if you were part of the team. Well, 534 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 9: it wasn't really part of the team, so it's a 535 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 9: lot of technicalities involved here. Again, it's not it's unseemly, 536 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 9: it's not right, But I don't know. Personally, I kind 537 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 9: of think it's college football. You shouldn't have coordinators. You 538 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 9: should just have the quarterbacks throw all the plays up 539 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 9: in the dirt, let's go. But it's because it's not 540 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 9: like that. This is what we got. 541 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 4: Majid. I differ. We're on the same page in terms 542 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 4: of I felt that they should have taken away the 543 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 4: games and vacated wins. And I know we look back 544 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 4: at it and say, like, who cares, we saw the 545 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: games as it played. But I just feel that the 546 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 4: next time Michigan has their anniversary team, it's gonna be 547 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 4: that much better because they didn't have the penalties for it. 548 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm living in a crazy I'm 549 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: not a bet. 550 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 9: I'm not a Michigan guy by any stretch. I find everybody, 551 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 9: including some of my oldest and dearest friends, some of 552 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 9: the most annoying people on the planet when it comes 553 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 9: to that school, I was around, I was witnessed at 554 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 9: fellow other Big Ten schools, for Fab five era. I 555 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 9: don't care if they don't have banners. I thought it 556 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 9: was fun. Nobody cares. I mean, that's not a deterrent. 557 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 9: You're telling me you can win a national championship now, 558 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 9: and ooh, you don't have you to have a little, 559 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 9: you know, a picnic later, you know, ten years later, 560 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 9: you know again. 561 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: Here Pete Ftech joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, 562 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 4: publisher of College Footballnews dot com. There are other college 563 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 4: football matters, so let's just dive into that. As he said, 564 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 4: a week from tomorrow, we've got week zero coming up, 565 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 4: and then two weeks in gosh geez, August thirtieth, our 566 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 4: first full Saturday slate of games. We had an APE 567 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 4: poll come out this week. Texas number one, Penn State 568 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 4: barely number two, as they were also close to being 569 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 4: the top ring team in the nation, Ohio State number three. 570 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: What's your one, two three? As we start out the 571 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 4: campaign in a couple of weeks, Penn State one. 572 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 9: Let's just start with that. If it was anybody else, 573 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 9: if Alabama had Penn State team, or Ohio State or Georgia, 574 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 9: they would be number one and no one else would 575 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 9: get a first place vote. It just they've got more 576 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 9: talent than everyone else, they just aren't there because they 577 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 9: just haven't proven it yet. And oh, James Franklin can't 578 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 9: win the big one even though he's won over seventy 579 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 9: percent of his game so far. And you know it's 580 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 9: Penn State. They haven't done yet. They've got just about 581 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 9: everyone back, and they're like one of the few teams 582 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 9: that has a starting quarterback returning. I mean, that's the 583 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 9: big storyline here is you know, ask any you know, 584 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 9: average or even you know, big time college football fan 585 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 9: in the starting quarterback for Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, 586 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 9: Notre Dame right now. It's they're going with new guys. 587 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 9: So and even Georgia is starting with someone new. And 588 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 9: arch Manning has only started four games against like UTEP 589 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 9: and you know, Texas San Antonio, so it's not like 590 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 9: he's got a lot of experience. So Penn State's got 591 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 9: absolutely everything in place to be the number one overall team, 592 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 9: and then it's just a mish mash from there. I mean, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, 593 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 9: Notre Dame's probably undervalued right now, but all of them 594 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 9: are really really good. Texas is strong. I just I'm 595 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 9: not quite buying at Texas, is this be all end all? 596 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 9: It's their turn to win the national champions team right yet? 597 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 9: But because everyone knows who arch Manning is, they're. 598 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 4: Number one, it sounds like you're a drew Aller believer. 599 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 4: I am not. 600 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 9: The believer is the wrong way to put it. I mean, look, 601 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 9: they got to the final four. I mean they were 602 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 9: one bad drew Aller passed away. He was actually not 603 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 9: bad last year. He was bad two years ago when 604 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 9: they couldn't complete a downfield throw. He was actually a 605 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 9: little bit underappreciated last year. And they came this close 606 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 9: to beating Notre Dame. Do they beat Ohio State in 607 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 9: the National Championship? No, But you know again, they got 608 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 9: pretty darn close, and older teams even better. So Allur's 609 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 9: at least experienced enough to be really good and be 610 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 9: at least good enough. 611 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: And I'll say this, and it's it's not meant to 612 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 4: be a knock on Ohio State or Texas or really 613 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: Alabama and the LSU Georgia. It is actually good to 614 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 4: have it. Not that they're new blood, but it's just 615 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: different blood at the top top. So it gives us 616 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 4: another program even though, as you said. 617 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 9: Past engine that could Texas program. 618 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Every year we were accustomed 619 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 4: to Alabama being either one and two, Georgia being somewhere 620 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 4: around there. But to have a Penn State team now 621 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 4: with expectations not playing second fiddle to Ohio State or 622 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 4: to Michigan does give the college football season a little 623 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 4: bit of a different tilt to it than we had previously. 624 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, and the crazy part about it is Texas apparently 625 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 9: has never been a preseason number one team. 626 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. I did not know that until it happened. I 627 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 4: didn't realize it. And for some reason, you know, the 628 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: people are up in arms that they're an underdog. You 629 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 4: don't know how sports work, then people. All right, Pete, 630 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 4: we appreciate it. 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Who 656 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, guy, Gary. 657 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: Gary coming and Clutch. 658 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 4: Join the Join the Fray. Lots of different places, ig 659 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 4: TikTok X, Blue Sky all the places that you can go. 660 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 4: Doug today wasn't in his show that's because why you 661 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 4: and I are here. He was in for Colin Cowherd 662 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: on The Herd, So we're gonna hear something great from 663 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 4: that show in a segment we like to call say 664 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 4: Doug ways In on the punishments handed down to Michigan 665 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 4: earlier today, what. 666 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 10: You need to know is Michigan got hit what it hurts, right, 667 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 10: got hit where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet. 668 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 10: And if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator, Okay, 669 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 10: four years, they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, huh, 670 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 10: that the hardest part for them was raising the money 671 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 10: and getting up to the level of Ohio State, because 672 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 10: Ohio State has never cared about anything other than how 673 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 10: can we put the best team on the field. Michigan 674 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 10: liked to have the academic repute. Ohio State just want 675 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 10: to win championships. Ohio State's run fast and loose with 676 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 10: rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay, 677 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 10: I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame, 678 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 10: like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally 679 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 10: got to the level of full investment from the university 680 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 10: on the football program and now they're losing what ten 681 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 10: percent of their budget and all of them post what 682 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 10: would have been post season revenue. 683 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 4: And my guess is what that hurts most is all. 684 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 10: The Olympic sports, the ones that you don't hear about 685 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 10: Olympic sports are picked, the one you don't sucker, hockey, 686 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 10: track and field, lacrosse, any of those ones their budgets chopped. 687 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 10: And what you do is then you move it over 688 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 10: cleverly to Michigan football. Well, you can't. We cut the budget. 689 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 10: There's always ways, always ways. What do I know, I 690 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 10: just work for an NCENT institution. 691 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 4: But I think that Doug's point is there's there's gaps. Again, 692 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 4: they were they were not going to be given this 693 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 4: harsh of a penalty if that's what Doug thinks, it's 694 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 4: harsh if they didn't have a previous NCAA investigation where 695 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh was penalized and others were penalized. And on 696 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 4: top of it, it's the fact that Michigan destroyed evidence, 697 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 4: was uncooperative throughout the whole thing. We're going to go 698 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 4: back and forth and battle all of this, and Doug 699 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 4: saying that, I think Doug is saying two things he's 700 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 4: saying that Michigan was hurt in the dollar portion of it, 701 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 4: but he's not saying Michigan football is being already's saying 702 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 4: all the other sports are being hurt. I think that 703 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 4: ultimately goes back to your point, Manzi. If you can 704 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: hurt the people who accomplished it or who were a 705 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 4: part of it, then you try to do that. And 706 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 4: I don't think that's what this penalty does. 707 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally hear what he's saying, but I disagree 708 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 3: where it's like they hit him where it hurts the most. 709 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: I actually don't think that. I know what he's talking about, 710 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: the money and how I'm saying that. I think it'll 711 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: be other areas are going to be affected by this, 712 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: but like, this is not hitting them where it hurts 713 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 3: the most. Because their football program, I don't think is 714 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 3: going to be that affected by it. 715 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: Everybody else might be. 716 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: It might be spread out, so maybe you don't feel 717 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 3: the effects. But no, the real punishment was to punish 718 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 3: them from winning that championship and vacate it. 719 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 2: Do I just I don't know. 720 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 4: It's very very simple, right. 721 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: It's very simple. Let's let's not pretend this is a 722 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 2: gray area. 723 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 4: Jerry Tarkanian had a phrase, and I think this kind 724 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 4: of is in line to what Doug is saying about 725 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 4: the Olympic sports that Michigan has. Jerry Tarkanian was talking 726 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 4: about stuff that was going on at Kentucky when he 727 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: was the UNLV head coach. He said, the NCAA was 728 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 4: so mad at Kentucky. They're going to give Cleveland State 729 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 4: two more years probation. It's kind of a joke on 730 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 4: on who's really paying the penalty because of what Kentucky 731 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 4: would mean. And I think that's part of this Michigan 732 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 4: thing of the Doug's point these fines in other places, 733 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 4: it's gonna hurt Michigan, but ultimately it's going to hurt 734 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 4: the kids who don't even play football. 735 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: Had literally nothing to do with this. 736 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 4: So it's it's an interesting angle. But again, Jim Harpbaugh, 737 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 4: Connor Stallion's got penalties. But by no means do I 738 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 4: think that they were rightly punished in this whole deal. 739 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 2: No, because they can still come back, right. 740 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 4: Like, well, Harbaugh's gonna need fifteen years Like. 741 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 3: No, no, not to coach, but if they celebrate the 742 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: year that they won, Harbaugh could can come back. 743 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 4: Have rallies and yeah, stuff like that. 744 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 2: So what are we talking about? 745 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 4: Correct? 746 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 3: No, if they would have said you can't come back 747 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 3: to the premises for twenty years, maybe, but no, he's. 748 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: Gonna be back. 749 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 3: This silly, this silly, this is nothing. This is a 750 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 3: don't do it again time. 751 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 4: Out back in that. Oh, we don't have the back end. 752 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 4: What does the Fox say? I thought we I thought 753 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 4: we had a back end to it. She's watsi belaanio? 754 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 4: So I'm Dan Bayer. That's it for the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here. 755 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 4: We're in for Doug on Monday, by the and we're 756 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 4: also in for Covino and Rich. That's next year on 757 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio. Happy Friday, that's right.