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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Bizarre and Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always

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Speaker 2: by our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars This.

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Speaker 2: Is a social media offense. They do all these fancy

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna motion bijon. He's gonna start outside and

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Speaker 2: he's gonna motion inside, and he's gonna motion back outside

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Speaker 2: and he's gonna motion into the pistol and then we're

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Speaker 2: gonna hand him the ball. But then sometimes we're gonna

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Speaker 2: throw them the screen and we're just doing all this

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Speaker 2: different stuff. And all these defenses are just letting the

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Speaker 2: Falcons offense go into a blender and then they're just

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Speaker 2: sorting it out after the snap. You're doing all this

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Speaker 2: fans stuff for no reason.

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Speaker 1: No wonder the Dolphins cooked them. They're used to seeing

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Speaker 1: that it's different.

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Speaker 2: I almost you did, good for you, good job, good

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Speaker 2: job by you on that one. Well, I want to

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Speaker 2: give the Falcons a tiny bit of flowers in this game.

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Speaker 2: Mainly just Drake London. Draank London was was very very

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Speaker 2: good in this game. But I feel like that take

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Speaker 2: kind of, you know, that's kind of how it unfolded,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, in particular, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: being allergic to the middle of the field just completely

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Speaker 2: held up, and I just don't I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that's Zach Robinson thing. I don't know if that's a

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Speaker 2: Pennix thing. I don't know if it's both, but it

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Speaker 2: is pretty funny to watch an offense that literally will

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Speaker 2: only throw the ball outside the numbers. It's down the

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Speaker 2: field or it's outside the number, all right. Anyways, we'll

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Speaker 2: get to more Falcons here in a second. I do

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Speaker 2: want to start trade deadline or the trade deadline that

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Speaker 2: wasn't very deadliney or eventful for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: We're going to start there was an NFL trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: and then we're.

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Speaker 2: Going to do some Falcons recap. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about this Bucks game. Hopefully we get some time

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Speaker 2: in to talk about the Bucks, because I do think

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Speaker 2: this is a really interesting matchup for Drake May against

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Speaker 2: a really blitz, heavy pressure, heavy good Tampa defense. So

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that on Sunday. But let's start

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Speaker 2: trade deadline. It's Evan Lazar, it's Alex Barth, it's Ax

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Speaker 2: behind the glass, and we are going to be with

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Speaker 2: you for the next couple hours here. And I understand,

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Speaker 2: you know, I sigh before I'm about to give this take,

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Speaker 2: because I understand the angst. I understand why Patriots fans

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Speaker 2: are upset that the Patriots stood pat at the deadline

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Speaker 2: and didn't make a trade. First of all, we all

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Speaker 2: like trades. We all like when our teams make moves.

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Speaker 2: It's just fun. It's fun to go and see, you know,

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Speaker 2: you go on Twitter. I get the notifications. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: other people. Do you know, Adam Shefter Patriots traded for

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Speaker 2: player acts? Ooh, you know, like it's exciting. I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's a dopamine hit. It's also a team that I

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Speaker 2: think we can all identify is a little bit thin

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Speaker 2: in certain areas because this is truly, as Mike Rable

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Speaker 2: likes to say, this is year one. They've only had

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Speaker 2: one full offseason with this regime, with this coaching staff

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Speaker 2: to build up the roster. So they got some frontline

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Speaker 2: players in here this offseason. All of those guys, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, have contributed to seven and two. They

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Speaker 2: deserve credit for that, But in order to continue to build,

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Speaker 2: they are going to need a couple of years to

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Speaker 2: and this is not to carry the water take. This

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Speaker 2: is not propaganda. I said this last week on PU

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Speaker 2: when I got into an argument with Fred and mostly

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Speaker 2: credit for that. But you have a long term vision here,

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Speaker 2: and I think giving up draft capital. And I also

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Speaker 2: just to add to this, they are not going to

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Speaker 2: trade with the Jets, like Quentin Williams and Sace Gardner.

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Speaker 1: Were not anymore importantly the Jets, We're not going to

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I think. Like that the Patriots were

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Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips who is a third round pick for a

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Speaker 2: rental pass rusher. That would have been you know, eight

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Speaker 2: games you're paying for for Jalen Phillips, a third round

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Speaker 2: for Rashid Shahed. Like those players are rentals. Those guys

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Speaker 2: am four or in favor of the Patriots not making

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Speaker 2: should be investing, you know, top one hundred draft capital

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Speaker 2: to still draft and develop. I think they need to

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Speaker 2: keep those picks because in the offseason, more players are

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Speaker 1: Let me just cut, yeah, go ahead, saying hold on,

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Speaker 1: and I differ on you slightly on that. I'll let

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Speaker 1: can also imply, you know, trade those picks when the

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Speaker 2: Exactly the other thing that I would say about this,

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Speaker 2: vibes in the Patriots locker room right now are immaculate.

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Speaker 2: They have great team chemistry, they have they are buying in.

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Speaker 2: You see it. You guys see it. We post all

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Speaker 2: that's building in that locker room. So if you go

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Speaker 2: you currently have on the roster. Well, now you need

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Speaker 2: trade for Jalen Phillips, that means that Klevon Chason is

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Speaker 2: probably not playing as much anymore. If you trade for Ashijaheed,

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Speaker 2: that probably means Pop Douglas, who just had his first

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Speaker 2: And neither one of those guys have done anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chason's been on a little bit of a heater.

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Speaker 2: Pop just had a career game last week, and so

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Speaker 2: I think that there was an element of how much

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Speaker 2: get it. It would have been nice to be able

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Speaker 2: on a new Patriot trade. I want to go over

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Speaker 2: some of the names that were dealt and whether we

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Speaker 2: But my big picture takeaway from this trade deadline from

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Speaker 2: it could have worked, and they could have had a

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Speaker 2: commander's like running gone to the AFC Championship game, and

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Speaker 2: that would have looked great, But would it have been

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Speaker 2: the right thing for the long term. They probably decided no,

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Speaker 2: And I can understand their thinking. What's just your big

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Speaker 1: So I I never thought they were getting a starting

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Speaker 1: Like we can get into the Sauce Gardner deal a

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Speaker 1: you're potentially front facing them. Right, they need a fourth

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Speaker 1: well they you know, maybe could have used the body there.

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Speaker 1: But just like you know again when they cut Jabrill Peppers,

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Speaker 1: They got to really, they got to really believe in

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Speaker 1: I think it's the opposite. You said they have an

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Speaker 2: Okay, So last thing on the trade deadline is. I know,

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Speaker 1: New York Jets. So I think the Jets won the deadline.

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Speaker 1: Well, so I I have a take on this. Keep going.

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Speaker 1: So somebody points it out like they had a similar setup.

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Speaker 1: those guys are traded. Those guys don't have the pedigree

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Speaker 1: that you expect from the typical top draft picks. And

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Speaker 1: then depending on who comes out and who goes to school,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty twenty seven, Julian Sayan's look good Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: He's away. But they're the Jets.

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Speaker 2: They're not drafting a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But they're the Jets.

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Speaker 2: They're not drafting a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But drafting the quarterback might be the wrong move based

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Speaker 1: on how say.

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Speaker 2: Nothing was gonna happen at the deadline. So I'm not

439
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Speaker 2: really on a great run right now. It takes, but

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Speaker 2: you I I would be Woody Johnson has drafted Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold and Zach Wilson and watch it blow up in

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Speaker 2: his face. Yeah, And I just I would all, you know.

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Speaker 2: Adding to that, Aaron Glenn was in Detroit. They just

444
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Speaker 2: traded for Jared Goff and had that really work out.

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Speaker 2: I just look at it, and I don't know which

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Speaker 2: quarterback it's gonna be, uh, but the reclamation project is

447
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Speaker 2: in vogue now. They're trying it like sort of like

448
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Speaker 2: a I don't know, like a C plus version of

449
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Speaker 2: it with Justin Fields, and it's not going so hard.

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Speaker 1: Right. You actually have to fix the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: But you also need to trade for a quarterback that's

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Speaker 2: better than show.

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Speaker 1: So who's who's been like bench recently, who's on the outs?

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Speaker 2: Who's I don't know, maybe some guy in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: That would be. I could see it.

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Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it, Like I as

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Speaker 2: soon as Kyler got benched with in Arizona, I actually

458
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Speaker 2: thought there was a chance that Jets might trade for him.

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Speaker 1: Now interesting, Well, no, because they're clearly trying and bought

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Speaker 1: him out.

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Speaker 2: But right, so, but then they ended up trading everybody.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and they have the money for it. No,

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Speaker 1: it's the Jets. He's terrible, Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray, Yes,

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Speaker 1: who whatever the you see? Andy Dalton's probably too old

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Speaker 1: to qualify for this. Yeah, do the Jets try to

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Speaker 1: make Joe Flacco work again?

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Speaker 2: No? Too old.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's got a whole bunch of quarterbacks that could be

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Speaker 1: reclamation projects. Who else do we guys?

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Speaker 2: He's Kyler?

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Speaker 1: Do the Jags quit on Trevor Lawrence?

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Speaker 2: I mean that would be a crazy blockbuster. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that's Geno.

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Speaker 1: Smith's probably too old to qualify for this. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: got a good one. I got a good one, Evan

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Speaker 1: Tua in the division? Well what if Miami he like

477
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Speaker 1: cuts them? Maybe also Adam who cares in the division?

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Speaker 1: If you're the Dolphins and the Jets off for your

479
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Speaker 1: first round pick for Tua? Yeah, I'm just I'm going through,

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Speaker 1: like the list of starting quarterbacks here, trying figure out

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Speaker 1: who the backups are. Russ Wilson Jameis Winston. Uh, we

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Speaker 1: already have the answer. Well, let's be throw up Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones or Brock Party Rockberdy, Who're not bad? Whoever comes

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Speaker 1: out of their rock Party Rock, Party's not Niners want

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Speaker 1: to unload that contract. Jets have all this money now

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Speaker 1: they trade it.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Seahawks don't really have anybody. Oh no, who's theeks

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Speaker 1: back up? Drew not Drew Locke doesn't qualify as that.

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Speaker 2: It's Party and Kyler are two good ones.

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Speaker 1: I'm putting two on there. Okay, I'm putting two on there.

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Speaker 2: So if we want to put those three, one of

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Speaker 2: those three, if I had to, if I had to

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Speaker 2: venture a guest, one of those three will be a

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Speaker 2: Jets quarterback next year.

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Speaker 1: Love it and love it.

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Speaker 2: I kind of like it. I'd love to see Kyler

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Speaker 2: twice a year. He's not going to beat the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: so it just be fun a lot.

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Speaker 1: You were, you were a big Kyle. I love Kyler.

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Speaker 2: I still love him.

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Speaker 1: What more? Good one from the YouTube chat here? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, No, no, he is a reclamation project.

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Speaker 2: Not good enough. No, I'm talking about like perty's made

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl he's a starting calendar quarterback. Kyler is

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Speaker 2: a starting caluber quarterback. Two was a starting caliber quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Richardson was top five pick. Maybe they'll trade a first

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Speaker 1: round pick for him. But what if they look at

509
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Speaker 1: it and they say, all right, it's not a good

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Speaker 1: quarterback draft. We're gonna hammer all the other needs. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna actually make the other needs, and then trade a

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Speaker 1: second round pick for Anthony Richardson, a second round pick

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Speaker 1: for it or whatever it is, a fourth round pick, whatever,

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Speaker 1: not a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just justin feels all over again.

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Speaker 1: The Jets.

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Speaker 2: No, the Jets the day, I would venture to guess

518
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Speaker 2: that they would go into the draft and screw up

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Speaker 2: the draft pick again before they traded for like a

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Speaker 2: true project like Anthony Richardson. If they're going to trade

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Speaker 2: for a veteran quarterback, it's going to be an established veteran.

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Speaker 2: The only difference between the Rogers thing and this will

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Speaker 2: be age like they'll try to trade for a younger,

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Speaker 2: established veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm still putting two on the list.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm good for you Jets, Like, don't overvalue

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Speaker 2: your players like the Colts are going for it. Good

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Speaker 2: for them too, but too first round Pa and the

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Speaker 2: first and the second for Quentin Williams. I'm making those trades.

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Speaker 1: How does sauce fit in that defense, do you? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Probably a little bit like they're very disguise heavy, like

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Speaker 2: they did a lot of you know, lou Ana Rumo

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Speaker 2: is a big disguiser. I think the reason why and

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Speaker 2: I do I guess I can give this a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a Sauce take here, but I do want

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Speaker 2: to move.

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Speaker 1: This is relevant to the Patriots. Well, look, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and Coults are Everybody say Patriots don't do anything. Other

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Speaker 1: teams got better. There's some truth to that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Bills didn't make a move, the Chiefs didn't make

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Speaker 1: a move, the Texas didn't make a move, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: made a minor move they traded for Kyle. But this

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Speaker 1: is the one team at the top that went for it.

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Speaker 1: So it is relevant to the Patriots, and I I look,

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Speaker 1: I think Saw is a good player. He's going from

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Speaker 1: like the least disguised defense to the most disguised defense

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Speaker 1: and that feels like adjustment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but I think it's an adjustment in his

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Speaker 2: favor because here My whole thing was Sauce, and I'll

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Speaker 2: admit that this is maybe a little bit of Christian

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Speaker 2: Gonzales bias, But like Sauce is, a is his own corner.

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Speaker 2: Zas plays.

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Speaker 1: We've always been man over zone on this show, going

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Speaker 1: back before Sauce Organzalez.

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Speaker 2: He plays on his side of the field. He will

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Speaker 2: man up on his side of the field on the

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Speaker 2: back side on you know some occasions in their old

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Speaker 2: system under Salah, you know, running the the Mabel coverages

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Speaker 2: like the Seattle used to do with with Richard Sherman.

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Speaker 2: But like it's his own defense, it's a Cover three defense.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The defense that they're playing now with Aaron Glenn. I

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Speaker 2: haven't looked at all the numbers, but just based off

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Speaker 2: of what he did in Detroit and what I think

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Speaker 2: he's doing with the Jets, they are a blitzman defense,

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Speaker 2: so they are an aggressive blitzman defense, and I've just

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Speaker 2: never thought that Sauce was in a great man coverage corner.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he can't play it at a decent clip.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like he's not a Christian Gonzalez, Stefan

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Speaker 2: Hill More, Darrell Rebis, I'm going to shut down my

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Speaker 2: guy man coverage corner. So I think going to lou

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Speaker 2: is probably better for him, and with Indianapolis because it

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Speaker 2: is more of a disguise zone. We're going to show

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Speaker 2: this picture, change it, that sort of thing, which probably

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Speaker 2: fits him. He's going to be able to play his

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Speaker 2: side of the fields. He's not going to be traveling

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Speaker 2: with receivers and things like that. But I think that

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Speaker 2: the crack started to show with Sauce once the Jets

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Speaker 2: started to play more man coverage. They played a little

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Speaker 2: bit more of it last year with Olbrick and Sala,

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Speaker 2: and then they've played a lot more of it this

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Speaker 2: year with Darren Glenn. And that's just not his skill set.

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Speaker 2: It's not what he's best at. You know. He reminds

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Speaker 2: me a lot more of you know, the zone corners

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Speaker 2: of the of the past than the man guys. So

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Speaker 2: I think that it helps Sauce. I think it helps

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Speaker 2: the Colts certainly, because they were really needed corners.

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Speaker 1: They started thin there and they got banged up, and

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Speaker 1: they needed it to be this year. Not leonor who's

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Speaker 1: the corner that got hurt in the like pregame collision.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know who you're talking about I I he's on.

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Speaker 2: He's on I R with a concussion.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Travarious Ward Warren.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so I uh, I like it for the Colts

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Speaker 2: and I like it for the Jets. I guess we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a big Sauce Gardner fan. I never have been.

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Speaker 2: It's not my kind of player. Uh, but he if

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Speaker 2: he's used correctly, you know, you have him played the boundary,

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Speaker 2: just play his side of the field, you know, have

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Speaker 2: him a man up on verticals and then play you know,

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Speaker 2: a zone coverages most of the time. I think he

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Speaker 2: can be a good player. He is a good player.

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Speaker 1: How you feel being a quarterback or receiver in that division?

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Speaker 1: Now I got Sauce Gardner, You got Stingley in Houston,

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and.

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Speaker 2: James I think is awesome. I love Stingley, sting and Stingley.

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Speaker 1: That was that draft. Remember that was the debate. Who

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Speaker 1: was we were? We were early, but we were not wrong.

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Speaker 1: We're not wrong. But yeah, and then wait, who am

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Speaker 1: I missing there? So you got Stingley, you got Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 1: you got saw us. Uh Titans, Yeah, they'll get something.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have sneed, but he's a little older.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of dogging it right now, Well, they don't

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Speaker 1: need a quarterback, so if they're at the top of

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Speaker 1: the draft and you know, maybe they go corner up there.

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Speaker 2: So that's the trade deadline. I'm I'm sure that you

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Speaker 2: all have a lot of opinions, a lot of opinions

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Speaker 2: on this trade.

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Speaker 1: People or I don't remember people getting so worked up.

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Speaker 1: It's the NFL like it the NFL trade And this

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Speaker 1: is I'm somebody who loves all things NFL, all things football.

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Speaker 1: This is me, right, yeah, this is me who sits

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Speaker 1: down appointment viewing Hall of Fame game. The NFL trade

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Speaker 1: deadline to me, and it's getting Look, I will respect

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Speaker 1: it more when it becomes a bigger deal. And we've

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Speaker 1: come a little bit of a ways. It used to

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Speaker 1: be like two or three moves, you know, twenty over

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Speaker 1: the course of two, you know, two months or I

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Speaker 1: just say a month and a half. So there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit more there. But it's not. You can't treat

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Speaker 1: it like the baseball, basketball, hockey deadlines because it's different.

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Speaker 1: It's fundamentally different. Getting a player in the loop mid season,

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Speaker 1: especially at certain positions in football, is just different than

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Speaker 1: doing it in other sports.

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Speaker 2: There's there seems to be every trade deadline, and I

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Speaker 2: meant to do this off the top of the show

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure i'll get blood to oblivion today. I said,

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Speaker 2: yesterday Jacobe Myers is going to be the biggest trade

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Speaker 2: of the day, and then thirty minutes later, Sascardner got traded.

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Speaker 2: So I was dead wrong about that, dead wrong, may Kulpa,

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Speaker 2: I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: It was more happened, And I guess it's Hallie's comment

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Speaker 1: like that's again the last pig. Although I forgot von

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Speaker 1: Miller didn't even go for a first round pick.

645
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Speaker 2: So I think it seems like there's one team that

646
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: will decide at this time of year that we're fire sailing.

647
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, it was Washington they traded

648
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: both their pass rushers, Chase Young. I was in Montes Sweat.

649
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: I always forget much sweat it is. They traded Montes

650
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Sweat and Chase Young at the deadline. The year before

651
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: they drafted Jayden Daniels. The Jets decided to fire sale

652
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: this year, like there's always one team that decides to

653
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: make a splash and trade a star player that you're

654
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: not expecting but it's just not like those other deadlines

655
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: where there's like significant movement throughout the league.

656
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: Like you don't have the landscape of the league change.

657
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: Right right, And I still think you don't really have

658
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: it even now, Like Quentin Williams going to the Cowboys

659
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: isn't gonna.

660
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Really Why did the Cowboys do that?

661
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Because Jerry's like obsessed with making the micro Parsons trade

662
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: look like it was the smart move.

663
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look, well, credit to the Patriots two strong

664
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. Is that like the it thing? Now he's

665
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: trying to recreate Barmore and Million Williams with Kenny Clark

666
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and Kenny Clark and Quentin Williams. But we'll get to

667
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: that after losing that game with the Cardinals and up

668
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: for first round pick as wild.

669
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let's talk a little bit of Falcons.

670
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm not We'll try to be a little bit quicker

671
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: through this, since we did a lot of the trade

672
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: deadline stuff off the top of the show. Much talk

673
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: about from this game, But I do want to talk

674
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: a little bit of Drake may and I do want

675
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the defense and what

676
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: they did with the defense. So I think my big

677
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: take with Drake May and I know that he's you know,

678
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: he's Drake May, Like we don't we don't criticize Drake

679
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: May now, right, we gotta that's our guy, that's that's

680
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: our quarterback. Right, you don't want to be uh, you know,

681
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: I get a lot of heat for criticizing Drake May.

682
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that I'm watching with Drake

683
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: May over the last really since the start started with

684
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: the Tennessee game a little bit. It was just like

685
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: the last final hurdle of his development, Like he's thrown

686
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: the ball great. When his throws, when he's throwing the football,

687
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: when he's actually getting rid of the ball are have

688
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: been great. And I think his decisions of where he's

689
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: throwing the ball when he throws the ball have been great.

690
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: So that's still arrow way way up. Like he's still

691
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: making every single week. You know, this week touchdown to

692
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, the fifty eight yarder to Pop Douglas, The

693
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: twenty one yarder to Digs in the second half, I

694
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: thought was a great drive throw in between a couple zones,

695
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: like he's still making three or four big time threw

696
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: was a game every single week. And he's still basically

697
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: played winning football in this game for the most part,

698
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, fifty point five qbr I had him basically

699
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: with an even plus minus split in terms of you know,

700
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: grading the film. So there's still a lot of good

701
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: things that he's doing. He's still playing at a reasonably

702
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: high level. But the last sort of mountain here for

703
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: him to climb as a quarterback, I think is managing

704
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: time in the pocket. You know, went to stay, went

705
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: to you know, go through his progressions, went to scramble,

706
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: went to throw the ball away, went to just cover

707
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 2: up and take the sack, like trying to figure out

708
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: And I think this is a byproduct of being a

709
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: young athletic quarterback who still kind of thinks that he's

710
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: the best athlete on the field all the time, which

711
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: he might be, frankly, but he's got to figure out

712
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know better, how to manage his

713
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: time in the pocket. And the sacks are starting to

714
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: pile up. He's second in the league in sacks. He

715
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: is the third highest sack rate in the league right now,

716
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: over ten percent of his dropbacks into the sack. So

717
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: when you still you know, routinely into his credit, he

718
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: gets them out of long down and distances better than

719
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: any quarterback in the league. It's kind of uncanny how

720
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: he can take a sack on first and second down

721
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: and still move the chains is rare, But that's a

722
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: tough way to live in the NFL if you are

723
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: constantly playing in third and long eventually more times than not,

724
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: especially when you start to play against the better defenses,

725
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: that type of stuff starts to creep up and bite

726
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: you in the butt. When you're in third and long

727
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: against in Atlanta is a good defense. But when you're

728
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: in third and long in the playoffs against Buffalo or

729
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: Kansas City or Houston or you know, one of these

730
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: good defenses that's going to be in the AFC Chargers,

731
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: you know whatever, that's a lot different than when it's

732
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: early November at home against Atlanta at a one o'clock game.

733
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: So they have to he has to cut down on

734
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: how much time you know, he's he's got to make

735
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: better decisions in the pocket. And you know, I could

736
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: go through examples I did yesterday on PU that we

737
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: can discuss. But the whole point is is just it's

738
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: not necessarily all the same of Okay, he's holding the

739
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: ball too long or he's leaving. It's kind of both,

740
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: like he's just it's just management in general of when

741
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: is it clean pocket? When can I go one, two,

742
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: three through a progression because I'm cleaning the pocket, versus

743
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: I have to get out in this instance because there's

744
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: pressure here. So that that's just my take on Drake

745
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: May right now. I'm not alarmed. I'm not concerned. I

746
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: don't have any big picture concerns about where he's at

747
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: at all. But this is something that we can point

748
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: to and just say, as a second year quarterback who's

749
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: still technically developing, you know, this is kind of his

750
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: last hurdle. Is he can't be taking six sacks a game.

751
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just too So I do wonder if and look,

752
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: we had talked about the pace he was playing out

753
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: was absurd, like he was going to take a step back,

754
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: And the reality is if that game represents his step

755
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: back game, he's gonna be fine. Got to do a

756
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: bad job of holding onto the football. The second fumble

757
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: really is you know, he just gets bumped and let's

758
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: go of it. The first one, he'd I think maybe

759
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: he got in a roll and he got a little

760
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: bit comfortable. He talked about this after the game. Some

761
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: bad habits came back. Remember he had a fumble like

762
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: that last year. I think it was in London where

763
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: he tried to stiff arm the the defender off of him. Yeah,

764
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: and fumble the ball. Like it's almost a carbon copy

765
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at it. I do

766
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: wonder if some of the one in the preseason this

767
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: preseason's right, Yeah, I do wonder if the higher sack

768
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: rate and the lower turnover rate are related. And he

769
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: talked about this in the past, that he needs to

770
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: know when to give up on the play and go down.

771
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: And there are times when you like, we're gonna get

772
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: on him for taking two many sacks, But at the

773
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: same time, you can say that play at the end

774
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: of the half, he should have taken the sack, right,

775
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: they blow the protection, he's he's dead to rights, like

776
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: go down or at least get outside thrown away, but

777
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: like take the sack there.

778
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, that's why you know I brought up managing time, right,

779
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: Like it's not necessarily about always getting rid of the

780
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: ball quickly. It's just in that exact instance, like the

781
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: management there, yeah, is just take the sack, right.

782
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: So I do feel like the high and look, the

783
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: offensive line is absolutely responsible for some of it, where

784
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: especially the interior, we're starting to see them get picked

785
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: on a little bit more here, Mike oh and Win

786
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: who's had a couple of rough games, you know, going

787
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: back the last month or so. But I do look

788
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: at it and say, okay, well, he's taking more sacks,

789
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: he's turning the ball over less. I do think those

790
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: two things are related. Ideally you're doing neither. This isn't

791
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: necessarily defended. I just think that's part of the reason

792
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: the sack number is so high is because he's he's

793
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: doing a better job of not throwing these ridiculous mid

794
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: contact interceptions like he was doing at times last year.

795
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: Now to your points, managing the pocket. It's cutting both

796
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: out and being better of because there's also been times

797
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: some of these sacks he is I think like two

798
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: or three of these this year where he gets run

799
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, and you

800
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: can't do that as a quarterback like just you know,

801
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: well he did in this game, and I almost he

802
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: did want to applau like he threw the ball. He

803
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: threw it right, like the first time. You want to

804
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: buy that time you have, you want to buy time.

805
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: You have as much time as there is for you

806
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: to get from the pocket to the sideline. There's no reason.

807
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: This is all quarterback. I ripped to it for this.

808
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: He did it against the Patriots in that game in

809
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: Week two. There's no reason a quarterback should ever go

810
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, like just

811
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: because there's no grounding at that point. Just flicking forward

812
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: out of bounds out of it. And now look he

813
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: did this last year in Chicago. He didn't throw it

814
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: far enough and he got picked off. So you got

815
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: to make sure you're getting it out there.

816
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: It's not when he's out inside the pocket, you know,

817
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: like the one on Yeah, they cut the ones that

818
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: you're talking about. You can just chuck that thing like

819
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: he's outside the pocket and.

820
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: That that's what I'm saying. Well, you got to make

821
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: sure you really chuck it. Remember he tried it last

822
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: year in Chicago.

823
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: That was like more towards inside the middle of the.

824
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: That's fair like, So that that's that's one for me.

825
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: Where like he can cut back is throw those away

826
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: or even you know, he'll get dragged down way outside

827
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: the pocket, like just throw those ways. Got to be

828
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: more comfortable throwing the ball away.

829
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: So I really I thought in this game, and this

830
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: was similar to the game against Tennessee. I'm not saying

831
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: that he I think the term one read quarterback comes

832
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: up and people get spooked by that. I'm not saying

833
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: that he does this all the time. Like he definitely

834
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: has evidence of going through the progressions and uh and

835
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: not being you know, a one and run quarterback. But

836
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: there are instances on this film where it felt like

837
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: he was one and run a little bit too often.

838
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: You know, he's looking down, you know, at the right

839
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: side at the initial you know, reading the progression. It's

840
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: not there. And then his next instinct instead of just

841
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: progressing from you know, right to left to Stefan Diggs

842
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: wide open in the middle of the field, his next

843
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: instinct is eyes down running. And what I see a

844
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: lot of his sacks happen, you know, two or three

845
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: in this game and then probably two or three in

846
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: the Titans game as well, is him running into the

847
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage because he's trying to get out of

848
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: the pocket through the middle of the field and in

849
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: the pocket collapses on him. So those sacks go down.

850
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: I know, you know a lot of people talk about

851
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: this as well. Those sacks go down as like two

852
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: or three yard sacks. They're not those backbreaking like eight yard,

853
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: nine yard, ten yard sacks. So it's like less of

854
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: a burden I suppose on the offense. But I want

855
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: to see him going through his progression right Like when

856
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: he's looking down the right side at the initial read,

857
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: it's not there. You want to see him come back

858
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: to the middle of the field because that's the way

859
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: the play is designed. So like he has, you know,

860
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 2: on the right hand side, he's got a hunter Henry

861
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: on a little option. It's not there. Stefan Diggs is

862
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: going to come from the back side of the formation

863
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: and he's going to cross right into his line of

864
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: vision from the backside of the formation. Because the goal

865
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: is for him to just go from right to middle.

866
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm not asking him go right all the way to

867
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: the left side of the field. You're just asking him

868
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: to go from one to two. And you know there

869
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 2: are times where he does that and then there's times

870
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: where he doesn't do it, and they just need to

871
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: have him be a little bit more consistent with that,

872
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: because there are open receivers on the film and a

873
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: lot of these sacks, and I'm not talking about the

874
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: ones that are on the other side of the field.

875
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: We're not playing Madden where you can just say, hey,

876
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: you know X is open and spam the button. No,

877
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: we're talking about actual quarterback play, going through a progression

878
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: as an NFL quarterback. So I just would like to

879
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: see him do that a little bit more consistently again,

880
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: throwing the ball grate. There's three or four big time

881
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: throws a game. He's still making big time plays. But

882
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: that's just where I'm at with Drake May right now.

883
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: And I think this is gonna be an interesting game,

884
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 2: you know, moving forward with Tampa Bay, because they're gonna

885
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: come after him like that's what Todd Bowles does. He's

886
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: gonna blitz the crap out of him. They're gonna pressure him,

887
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: and they're gonna make him make those types of decisions

888
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: all day. Am I leaving? Am I staying? Is there pressure?

889
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: Is there not pressure?

890
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: You know?

891
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: Do I need to just go down and take a sack?

892
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: Do I need to throw this ball away? Like he's

893
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: going to have to make those decisions for four quarters

894
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: against Tampa Bay on Sunday. So I'm interested to see

895
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: how that goes. The other thing, I'm just on the

896
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: sort of the good side. Stick to that for a second.

897
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: I was we talked about it. It was last week

898
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: where we did the whole man coverage thing, right, and

899
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: like how they were playing man coverage. I don't know

900
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: if that was last week or or two weeks ago.

901
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: I was really excited about how they played band coverage

902
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: in this game. I thought that they played the style

903
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: of coverage I liked a lot more. And I'm talking

904
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: mostly between the twenties. We'll get to the red zone stuff,

905
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: but the between the twenties stuff. Specifically, they shadowed receivers

906
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: strictly shadowed receivers gonzales On, Drake London, Carlton Davis had

907
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney, and Marcus Jones had Bijon when Bijon flexed out,

908
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: which I thought was a really well done game planned wrinkle.

909
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: So every time Bijon was flexed outside the formation out

910
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: of the backfield, he got Marcus Jones, which I thought

911
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: was really good. Yep, that's if you're going to play

912
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: a lot of man coverage, that's how you have to

913
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 2: do it. You cannot allow your opponent to put their

914
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: third receiver on Christian Gonzales because Christian Gonzales is just

915
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: glued to the boundary of the entire game. You have

916
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: to shadow and travel with the receivers. The other thing

917
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: that I thought they did more of in this game

918
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: was putting robber or low whole help. They really played

919
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: a lot of of cover one whole, not true robber,

920
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: but they had Christian Ellis it was or explained sometimes

921
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: just in that first window, you know that first level

922
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: window right at like the five or six yard or

923
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: so down the field, So that just allows these corners,

924
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: like if they run a shallow if they run a

925
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: slant like anything like that, that's all going to be helped.

926
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: That's going to be leveraged by that defender. So now

927
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: you have the low hole help from the first level,

928
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: and then you have the post safety help over the

929
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: so now you have support in the middle of the

930
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: field for the man coverage defenders. So it's all a

931
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: long winded way of saying in this game, Michael Pennix

932
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: between the twenties and we'll get to the red zone stuff.

933
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: Between the twenties, he was one for seven against man

934
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: coverage in this game. He had one completion. It was

935
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: after the Gonzales injury. It was a downfield throw to

936
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: Drake London where he broke the pocket and extended to play.

937
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: Other than that, the Patriots completely shut down Atlanta and

938
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: man coverage. That's what this defense needs to do more.

939
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: That's where they need to live. That's where that needs

940
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: to be their backbone of their coverage. So I was

941
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: really excited by the Marcus Jones Bijon wrinkle. I thought

942
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: was really good. It was great to see Christian Gonzales

943
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: just go toe to toe with Drake London for three quarters.

944
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it wasn't the full four, but we saw it

945
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: for three and I thought until that forty yard bomb,

946
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez was winning the matchup with Drake London. So

947
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: I really like to see that. But this is more

948
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: like it like if they play man coverage like this,

949
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: their past defense is going to get better. And I

950
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: was exciting to see that.

951
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it you know, continuing to grow in that regard.

952
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: We can get to the red zone stuff, but that's

953
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: in the crap.

954
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: That gets you beat. Okay, yeah, the red zone stuff's coming,

955
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: so uh The other good thing I had from this

956
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: game was just pop Douglas. You know, I think that

957
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: he's sort of found his way here and his niche

958
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: in this offense, and it's not exactly what we thought

959
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: it was.

960
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, what was I screaming all summer running vertically?

961
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, you can take a victory lap there, right. Uh,

962
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: he's not running the Welker Edelman slot role.

963
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan. Uh the branch well, I said, a cross

964
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: between Hogan and Amandola in the summer branch, all right, like.

965
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 2: The on branch Colm. So right now he is uh

966
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: has a career high in a dot average, you know,

967
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: depth of target down the field ten point two. He's

968
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: basically a speed slot at this point. Like he's not

969
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: He's not the shifty jitterbug slot like we've seen in

970
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: the past. The McDaniels offense. They have him as a

971
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: speed slot running more vertical routes down the field and

972
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: it's working. Now we can figure out the open field stuff.

973
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: He could maybe stay on his feet.

974
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: So you know, it was like to remember Cordero Patterson

975
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: was like the opposite of that. Cordero Patterson would like

976
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: stumble through his routes and the second he got the

977
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, he was you know, Dante hall

978
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: On a Punterdard. Yeah, but it was really weird whether

979
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: he so pops the opposite, like he runs the great

980
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: routes and then the second the balls in his hands,

981
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: he kind of loses it. But he's still making guys

982
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: miss even when he's stumbling.

983
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a bit a really good role

984
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: for him. He's kind of I feel, like I said,

985
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: he's kind of found his niche and you know, he

986
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: was great in this game. You know, the fifty eight

987
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: yarder is a big time exposed to play. The wheel

988
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: route touchdown was really really well designed by Josh McDaniels.

989
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: But it was also he won his matchup. He got

990
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: the matchup and he won it. This is his role.

991
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: This is the way that he should be used. It

992
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: reminds me a lot more of how he was used

993
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: at Liberty in college, Like he was more of a

994
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: downfield speed slot at Liberty. So this is the other

995
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: thing I would say too, just from a McDaniel's standpoint,

996
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: this is how McDaniel's was using Trey Tucker in Vegas. Yea,

997
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: So it's not totally a departure from Josh in terms

998
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: of some of the other guys that he's had. It's

999
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: just not the it's not the old school Patriots slot

1000
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: that we kind of all anticipated, but this is, you know,

1001
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: a new version of it, and it's working out for him.

1002
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: So kudos to Pop. I know, you know, he lost

1003
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: his uncle and played the game anyways, and that that

1004
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: was a cool story to you know, obviously bad story,

1005
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: but like good for him, yeah, you know, and and

1006
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: all that. But I think that, you know, this is

1007
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: a nice little niche that he's found with these vertical

1008
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: routes and these deep targets, deep crossers, post corners, things

1009
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: like that. It's been cool to watch. Yeah, all right,

1010
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: let's move on to the bads here. We already did

1011
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: the Drake maysack thing. I'm not gonna you know, keep

1012
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: going with that. I think, you know, start you know,

1013
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: sticking with the offense. Uh. There there are some cracks

1014
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: in the foundation here on the offensive line that are

1015
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: starting to show a little bit.

1016
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1017
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: None of them involve your rookie left tackle though, so

1018
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: you can you can have that right that that's a positive.

1019
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: I thought he was good again in this game. Honestly,

1020
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: for like three quarters, I thought he was kind of

1021
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: dominant in this game. Will Campbell, I thought it was

1022
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: really good.

1023
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: The block he had on it was the treel Jenny

1024
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: session on right.

1025
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was really good in this game. Not

1026
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: not great competition, you know, James Pearce in those.

1027
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: Those first round picks.

1028
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: I know, but like those guys are not established players.

1029
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: But you want the top end first round pick to

1030
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: look much better in the bottom end first round.

1031
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was good. He was really good.

1032
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1033
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: But the the issues that we were having, and uh,

1034
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: you know the Patriots are having, I should say that

1035
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: we are going to talk about all off season. The

1036
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: Patriots are trending towards squarely being in the guard market

1037
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: this offseason. I think On when Wu, I know his

1038
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: PFF grades have been good, I don't care, like I

1039
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 2: will watch the tape myself, and I'm telling you Free,

1040
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: I have not been a huge fan of On when

1041
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: he's game all year long. Jared Wilson, we can say

1042
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: it's that he's not a guard. I think that's probably

1043
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: a fair sort of just way to look at it.

1044
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: They said in the spring they view him as a

1045
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: center long term.

1046
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: He's just with Wilson, I think that there are flashes

1047
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: in pass pro that are really, really good. He's just

1048
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: not strong enough to play guard, and so he gets

1049
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: into these power, you know, engagements, and he's base blocking

1050
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: where he's one on one in the run game and

1051
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: he just can't move anybody. You know, he's just not

1052
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: strong enough to play that position on when expensive contract,

1053
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: not really playing up to that standard right now, I

1054
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: wonder about his long term standing here again long stories

1055
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: or they need They're gonna need a guard in twenty

1056
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: twenty six. They're gonna need to either draft one, sign one.

1057
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: Whatever we bring him back soda, we might be guards.

1058
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would rather not draft one again.

1059
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: This is mean first round. Oh it did mean first

1060
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: round that one time, we'll alter it.

1061
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: I just they're gonna need at least one guard, because

1062
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: if you want to give on when he was some

1063
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 2: leash and let him continue in this regime, in this system,

1064
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: in this whatever this program, then fine, But Jared Wilson

1065
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: is not a long term answer. I don't think I

1066
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: left guard, and I don't know if on when it

1067
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: was here for long.

1068
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: Get ready to learn Jennings Dunker buddy that does.

1069
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: The kid from North Dakota State, Iowa.

1070
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: But he's the case got red hair mull and he

1071
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: plays tackle now, but he might be guard at the

1072
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: next level. Either way. He's one of the meanest linemen

1073
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time.

1074
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he uh a little bit of cracks

1075
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: in the aligne foundation. The other last thing here where

1076
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: some of the zone stuff is starting to bother me,

1077
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: and I guess this is just the time that I'm

1078
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: just gonna do this. I'm just gonna die on this hill.

1079
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: About the pass rush. I understand that the Patriots have

1080
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: concerns in terms of depth at edgeresher, but when we

1081
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: look at the frontline guys that are playing, the problem

1082
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: to me with the Patriots pass defense right now is

1083
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: not the pass rush. The problem is is that whenever

1084
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: the pass rush starts to win, and I pulled clips

1085
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: this morning, I have like ten of them that I

1086
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: could show you of guys winning up front on the

1087
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. But the ball is coming out so

1088
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: quickly because there's open receivers, mostly against like off coverage

1089
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: zone where there's just too much space underneath the zone

1090
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: or too much space on the outside where they're giving

1091
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: them cushion and there's just nothing the pass rush can do.

1092
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: Like Melton Williams just wins right up the middle on

1093
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: a swim move and the ball is out, like you know,

1094
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 2: they win. They're trying to run a game or run

1095
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: a stunt or something like that and it's coming open.

1096
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: You know it's coming free. The wrap has come free,

1097
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: but the ball's out and right now they they are

1098
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: not playing tight enough coverage like sacks. They're eighteenth in

1099
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: the league in sacks. Everybody wants them to get more sacks.

1100
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: Sacks is a team stat. Sacks is not a pass

1101
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: For US stat exclusively, sacks is you need to get

1102
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: the quarterback to hold the football. If you are giving

1103
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: first read open throws to quarterbacks in the NFL, you're

1104
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: not going to be a good sack defense. You're not

1105
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: going to accumulate sacks. So when I look at it

1106
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: on film, I think the bigger concern with their pass

1107
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: rush is that they need to start having tighter coverage,

1108
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: which is why I'm so excited about the man coverage

1109
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 2: things that I saw from this game, because they need

1110
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: to improve their coverage so that they can get the

1111
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: quarterback to hold football, so some of this pressure that

1112
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: they are accumulating can start turning into impactful pressure.

1113
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

1114
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: So they got forty five percent pressure rate on Michael

1115
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: Pennix in this game, and a lot of people that

1116
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: watch the game came out of the game feeling like

1117
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: there was no pass rush. But the problem was that

1118
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: every single time somebody won up front Penix, the ball

1119
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 2: was out of Penix's hands before they could get home.

1120
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: So if you can tie, you got to marry it

1121
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: all together. It's it's eleven people, it's not just about

1122
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: one thing.

1123
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: And it also helped that like there were times that

1124
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: Drake London wasn't open and Pennix still threw them the ball.

1125
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: The obviously the London gets some credit in that too.

1126
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: The forty yard bomb is definitely one of those instances.

1127
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: But there's you know London that caught a couple in

1128
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: this game where Millon Williams won up front and London,

1129
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: you know, Gonzo's just bailing like on cover three or

1130
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: quarters and there's like eight yards of cushion and London

1131
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: just turns around and catches the ball. And that's not

1132
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: a pass rush problem, Like, that's not the pass rush's

1133
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: fault that the ball came out in two seconds. There's

1134
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: nothing you can do about that. So I'm gonna die

1135
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: on this hill. I just watch the tape, like these

1136
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: guys up front will win. You know when they got

1137
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: the chase on sack in the opening drive, If you

1138
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: watch that play, it's because they covered the initial read.

1139
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: They ran a little bit of a disguise zone. They

1140
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: covered Pennix's eyes. Mike Rabel broke it down on Patriots

1141
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: dot Com was Zoe like, they cover the initial read,

1142
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: it gets Pennix to hold the ball and the pocket

1143
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: collapses and they sacked them. So he said it in

1144
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: the past, and I'll echo what he said with Rabel.

1145
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: The sack stuff, it's on the coverage to get the

1146
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: quarterback to hold the football you want, you need to

1147
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: get the quarterback off his first rate. That's on the coverage,

1148
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: both the call and the players executing the coverage. Once

1149
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: the quarterback holds the ball and gets off the first read,

1150
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: now it becomes about the pass rush getting home. And

1151
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: I think too often with this Patriots defense, you're seeing

1152
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: quarterbacks NFL quarterbacks hitting the top of the drop. First

1153
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: read is open, ball is out, and that's just not

1154
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: going to be impactful. Like, that's not gonna be good

1155
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: pass defense, so I'm gonna die on the hill. It's

1156
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: not the pass rush, it's the coverage. They need to

1157
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: be better in coverage. Hopefully we saw you know, some good,

1158
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, man coverage stuff in this game against the Falcons.

1159
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully that carries over and they can have better coverage

1160
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: really quickly before we take a quick break. Does the

1161
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you beat the drake may strip sack

1162
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: you just can't have it. That is crap that gets

1163
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: you beat. The game was over, they're driving, they have

1164
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: the ball to fifty yard line, they're going in for

1165
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: more points, up fourteen points, and then they're gonna receive

1166
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: the second half kickoff, so they have the chance to

1167
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: bury the Falcons with double score. There even if you

1168
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: only get ten points out of the double score, we're

1169
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: not talking about a twenty point lead, you know, twenty

1170
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: four point lead with like you know, a quarter and

1171
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: a half to play, you can't have you can't have

1172
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: that sack phone, Well, you just can't. So that was

1173
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: a stuff that gets you beat this week. The other

1174
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: one that I wanted to dissect a little bit was

1175
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: the red zone and this one, I think you have

1176
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: fair gripes in terms of the coaching and the game

1177
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: plan and all that kind of stuff. I give the

1178
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: Falcons a lot of credit. They attack the rules of

1179
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: the Patriots in the red zone to get Marcus Jones

1180
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: on Drake London a couple of times. But if you're

1181
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: the Patriots, you just you you have to make sure

1182
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen.

1183
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: To Like the first time, it's a good wrinkle by Atlanta.

1184
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Those guys get paid to but they got to be

1185
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: more aware of it the second time coming back.

1186
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: So the first time they you know, the Patriots were

1187
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: gonna switch it. They were in a banjo or switch

1188
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: in you know, two by two, right, and they motion

1189
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: London into the formation. So basically what they're trying to

1190
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: do is Marcus Jones is gonna take whoever runs into

1191
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, and Christian Gonzalez is gonna

1192
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: take whoever runs out, and they actually have Drake London.

1193
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: This is a classic a switch banjo whatever you want

1194
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: to call it, beater, They have Drake London. His first

1195
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: like two steps are inside like he's gonna run a slant,

1196
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: and then he runs out on the fade, So it's

1197
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: kind of like a double move. So when he runs

1198
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 2: that little inside, you know, stem to the inside, that's

1199
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: automatically going to have Marcus Jones declare as the primary defender,

1200
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: like he's got to take the inside there, right, and

1201
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: so that when London goes back out to the fade,

1202
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: he's stuck on Drake London on the fade. The second

1203
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: one was a bunch. It was a three receiver bunch,

1204
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: and they knew that if they put Drake London in

1205
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: the point, that Marcus Jones takes the point. And so

1206
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: they put Drake London on the line of scrimmage. The

1207
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: Patriots are probably anticipating him being off the line of scrimmage.

1208
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: He was on the line of scrimmage and he gets

1209
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 2: matched up against Marcus Jones again. So they got beat

1210
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: in the chess match there on the goal line three

1211
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: times for touchdowns. They're red zone defense now, Alex, another

1212
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: status going around. They are dead last in the league

1213
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: in the red zone on defense. They're giving up a

1214
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: touchdown seventy five percent of the time in the red zone.

1215
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: It's too much.

1216
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: The other little thing here too with the red zone. Then,

1217
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: and then we got to take a break. They're busting

1218
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: coverages like crazy in the red zone and I don't

1219
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: really know what the reason for it is, but it's

1220
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: happened two weeks in a row and it's starting to

1221
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: kind of become a theme. Last week they busted the

1222
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: fanom touchdown, just wide open touchdown. This week they busted

1223
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: a flat. They didn't have anybody in the flat in

1224
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: the zone. Yeah, the twelve yard of debijon, which then

1225
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: sets you up on the one yard line, first and

1226
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: goal from the one. Once you get inside the five

1227
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: yard line in the NFL, you score eighty six percent

1228
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: of the time, so like it's kind of over at

1229
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: that point once you have first and goal from the one.

1230
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: So in order to improve as a red zone defense,

1231
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: you need to be better. You know, they break the

1232
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: red zone into three pieces. You have the high red zone,

1233
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: the low red zone, and then goal line. You need

1234
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: to keep them from goal line, like you have to

1235
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: keep them in the higher the low red zone, and

1236
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: then get them to kick field goals from those areas

1237
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: of the field. So right now, the Patriots, in my mind,

1238
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: a big part of their red zone struggles or that

1239
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: they're letting teams get the ball all the way down

1240
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: to like the one yard line too much, right, and

1241
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: then you're just not gonna stop them from there. So

1242
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: that's the red zone stuff. I thought those are the

1243
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: two things that got you beat. That's the falcons. We're

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Speaker 5: Yours gambling problem called on twenty one plus.

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Speaker 8: catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are back and I'm gonna do the Toyota.

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Speaker 2: Did I say that? Did I say that correctly? Because

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Speaker 2: everybody gets on my case for saying Toyota wrong, So

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep saying it like that. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: blame it on New England. I think it's a New

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Speaker 2: England thing to say it like it's sure, it's a

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Speaker 2: d okay. Hey, Patriots fans, you want to see Toyota's

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Speaker 2: buy a Toyota. See I did it again. It's Toyota's

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Speaker 2: website for deals official vehicles of the New England Patriots, Toyota,

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Speaker 2: Let's go places? Was that better?

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Speaker 4: Was that?

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Speaker 2: Was that good? Is everybody happy? Now? Sure? And Sunday

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Speaker 2: Night's game got you up late and sleep better? And

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Speaker 2: after the fourth quarter, plus an adjustable base made for

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Speaker 2: sitting up to watch the last play for one hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars less than buying them separately. Score so stop in

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Speaker 2: and stock up at Bob's count Furniture, the official furniture

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Speaker 2: store of the New England Patriots. When it's a new

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Speaker 2: read and I've never read it before and I'm reading

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Speaker 2: it for the first time on the air, it's always

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Speaker 2: a little bit of you never that's that's I know,

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Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta.

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Speaker 1: You never should read something for the first time live

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Speaker 1: on the air. I know you're you never should do that.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's a good lesson, like uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: You already said that you were at Curry College last night,

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Speaker 2: given lessons you should given that lesson.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to that. Maybe next week, maybe well

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Speaker 1: that I was a one off they invited me to.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Curry College, Jimmy Young and Curry College for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 2: Though my father is a proud Curry College am.

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Speaker 1: There were some we didn't get to catch. Twenty two

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Speaker 1: ors some patriots, unfiltered fans in that good class.

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Speaker 2: Good. I like that.

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Speaker 1: They said they enjoyed when the other guys get you

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Speaker 1: all worked up.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's not that hard to do. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 2: that hard to do. Just come out.

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Speaker 1: The kids love it.

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Speaker 2: It's like two things. Like one is, you know, when

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Speaker 2: you make it about the stats, right, Like I'll say

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Speaker 2: a stat and then it becomes a referendum on the

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Speaker 2: stat Like, it's not the point. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 2: use some supporting evidence to back up my point. Like

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Speaker 2: we don't have to, you know, if I bring up

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Speaker 2: like a PFF grade or something, we don't have to

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Speaker 2: then spend ten minutes discussing whether or not PFF is

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Speaker 2: like a valid source of information, right, Like, that's the

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Speaker 2: part that gets me fired up. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I just got you worked up on the concept of

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Speaker 1: you getting worked up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just you know, I've been thinking about

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Speaker 2: this a little bit and it needed to come out,

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Speaker 2: all right, Patty is an on what's up? Patty?

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Speaker 7: Hey, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 7: So Alex you know me, it's never too early to

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Speaker 7: talk about draft, and especially since they didn't make a move,

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Speaker 7: I'm not upset that they didn't make a move. I

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Speaker 7: was a little bit surprised because I thought that they

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Speaker 7: would actually look for some excuse me, at least some

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Speaker 7: help along the edge, you know, even if it was

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Speaker 7: a depth guy. But I want to throw out a

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Speaker 7: couple of names at you and see if see if

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Speaker 7: you have any opinions on him yet. The first guys,

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Speaker 7: David Bailey out of Texas Tech, who they might they

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Speaker 7: might be out of position to draft. But the other

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Speaker 7: guy I really like coming out as Quincy Rose Junior.

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Speaker 7: He's an edge guy from Arkansas. You think he's kind

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Speaker 7: of a fit. I think Bailey is a fit in

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Speaker 7: any scheme.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: I'll take that up the air. But the other thing

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Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you, guys, is if if Kyle

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Speaker 7: Williams doesn't get going this week, is it going to

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Speaker 7: happen this year? Like is the because I mean, Booty's

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Speaker 7: probably it's not gonna be playing this week, maybe not

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Speaker 7: even next week against the Jets. Realistically, I mean, do

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Speaker 7: you think he just needs like one good catch to

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Speaker 7: get himself going? And I'll take those off here, guys.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Yeah, Patty, thanks for the call. It's a good question.

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Speaker 2: About Kyle Williams. I don't know if you have a

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Speaker 2: take on those.

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Speaker 1: David Bailey is and he's right, like Bailey's having an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable season at Texas Tech and the Patriots having a

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Speaker 1: great season, so they may end up like passing each other.

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Speaker 1: But what what's the Mike Rabel edge rusher? Like six

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Speaker 1: two two fifty all about the first step get off right? Like,

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Speaker 1: that's David Bailey is to a t when people talk

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Speaker 1: about what Mike Rabel's looking for on the end, and

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Speaker 1: there's other there's other good edge rushers in the class too,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of like the schemes specific fit, he

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Speaker 1: was the consensus pick for the Patriots on the on

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Speaker 1: the mock draft database for a few weeks there. We'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. Here's the thing, there's all this is a

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Speaker 1: really good edge class. This is a really really good

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Speaker 1: edge class. And frankly, defensive line too is part of that.

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Speaker 1: It's a good pass rusher class. So you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: have that. There might be ten edge guys and I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of rounding here, but there might be ten edge

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Speaker 1: guys that are top twenty five players in the class.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have ten edge guys go in the top

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Speaker 1: twenty five because the needs just starting dictated that way.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna have to fall, somebody's gonna go below where

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Speaker 1: they should because there's just so much talent. The position.

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Speaker 1: This has happened with, you know, other what was the

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Speaker 1: position last year, This happened with that we talked about.

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Speaker 2: That got pushed down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the talent or we've talked about this before, different

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Speaker 1: positions wide receiver a couple years ago it happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get pushed down, whether it's Bailey, whether it's

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Speaker 1: somebody else. Like, well, we'll get to that, but David

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Speaker 1: Bailey is absolutely a name Patriots fan should know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right with Kyle Williams, so you know, just

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Speaker 2: we can break down his target a little bit too,

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Speaker 2: and then just talk about a big picture as well.

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Speaker 2: So on the target, you know, my interpretation of it

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Speaker 2: was that he ran a five step route when he

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Speaker 2: was supposed to run a three step route. And that's

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Speaker 2: just based off of the way that it looked earlier

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Speaker 2: in the game, and then also just it was mirrored

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Speaker 2: like it was the same route Digs was running on

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Speaker 2: the inside, and Diggs ran it one two and open,

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Speaker 2: and Kyle Williams ran it one, two, three, four and open,

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Speaker 2: so he ran it on the fifth step instead of

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Speaker 2: the three step. So that when that happens, that's why

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Speaker 2: the ball gets thrown behind you is because you're running

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Speaker 2: the wrong route. So with him, what I'm seeing is

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Speaker 2: details and this is good. And I also would just say, like,

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Speaker 2: this is not like a Josh McDaniel's option route thing, right,

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Speaker 2: this is not like it's too complex for young receivers, like,

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Speaker 2: so don't make it about that. It's this is a

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Speaker 2: a young receiver that needs to be a little bit

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Speaker 2: sharper on his details. You know, Pop Douglass had the

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Speaker 2: same problem for a couple of years there as well.

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Speaker 2: So it takes time. And when you're throwing, you know,

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Speaker 2: with timing, you're throwing quick game, you're throwing things like

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Speaker 2: that like it, it can really make it look bad

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Speaker 2: when you're not syncd up with the quarterback and the

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Speaker 2: drop of the quarterbacks. So that's what I'm seeing with

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Speaker 2: Kyle Williams. Now there, I think there is opportunities for

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Speaker 2: him to produce on verticals. Like I still think that

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Speaker 2: if you got him isolated on the backside and he

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Speaker 2: ran a go route like he would still be able

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Speaker 2: to win on the go route, and those routes are

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Speaker 2: obviously a lot simpler than trying to you know, time

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Speaker 2: up a route in the quick game or something like that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not seeing like no separation on tape from

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Speaker 2: Kyle Williams or anything like that. His issues seem to

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Speaker 2: be more mental than they are physical at the moment,

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Speaker 2: so it might just take some time. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what they're going to get out of him this year,

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Speaker 2: but he's going to get some opportunities here with Kaisehan Boody,

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Speaker 2: you know, dealing with that hamstring. So we'll see. But

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Speaker 2: I'm still I see enough separation with Kyle Williams. Like

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Speaker 2: I think the problem when you look at a lot

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Speaker 2: of other receivers with the Patriots in the past that

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Speaker 2: have busted, you know, second third round, guys like Jalen

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Speaker 2: Pole couldn't get open right so like that, that right

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Speaker 2: then and there just kind of makes it an uphill battle.

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Speaker 2: When you can't separate in this league, it makes it

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Speaker 2: an uphill battle. I think with Taekwon, you know, he

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Speaker 2: couldn't stay healthy. That was obviously a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: But with Taekwon, I don't know if he ever truly

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Speaker 2: played with a quarterback that could unlock the vertical speed

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Speaker 2: because he's really like a downfield vertical threat. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: he's not a guy that separates in the first ten

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Speaker 2: to fifteen yards. He's a guy that's separating thirty five

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Speaker 2: forty yards down the field. So when you play with

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks that don't really thrive in that sort of thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, Bailey Zappi, mac Jones, like he's not really

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Speaker 2: going to thrive with that quarterback. He goes to Kansas

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Speaker 2: City and Patrick Mahomes can put the ball on him

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Speaker 2: down there and he's having more success. Maybe Taekwan would

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Speaker 2: have had a little bit more success with Drake May

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Speaker 2: probably not. He probably needed to change of scenery. But

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Speaker 2: to me, that was what it was with Taekwon. So

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Speaker 2: at least with Kyle Williams, I'm seeing him separate at times.

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Speaker 2: He's just got to get on the same page with

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Speaker 2: the offense and with the quarterbacks. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: which way you would rather like. I would rather that

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Speaker 2: than watching the tape and saying this guy can't get

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Speaker 2: off coverage like Joeen Polk but as of right now,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter which way he's not producing. So

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Speaker 2: whichever way it is, which you know, whatever way you

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Speaker 2: kind of shake it out to be, he's not producing.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any takes on Kyle Will I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I think it will help. And Vrabel talked about

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Speaker 1: this the other day. He's gonna just focus. I would

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Speaker 1: think he's just going to focus on the X receiver

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Speaker 1: position now, which is going to help because he's been

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Speaker 1: all over the place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He also he didn't work a lot with Drake in

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Speaker 1: the summer. Yeah, and I can't imagine he's worked with

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Speaker 1: him a lot behind the scenes here season start because

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Speaker 1: they're geting ready for games. He isn't had a big role.

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Speaker 1: He's only played twenty percent of their offensive snaps this year,

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Speaker 1: and that number is elevated by a significant role after

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Speaker 1: Boody got hurt this week. So I think it will

1496
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: help him being able to focus on one position. I

1497
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: think it will help him. Getting to work with Drake

1498
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: made this week because their chemistry is just not there

1499
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: right now, and maybe it clicks, maybe it doesn't. We

1500
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: will see. I'm not super worried about his lack of

1501
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 1: production because it's just been a lack of opportunity. And

1502
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: it's not a case where they're not playing him. You know,

1503
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: sometimes we talk about it, well, this guy can't get

1504
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: on the field, and that's not a good set, but

1505
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: like there's a legitimate reason for him to knock it

1506
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: on the field. The guys ahead of him are playing well. Yeah,

1507
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: so now we'll see what he can do that he

1508
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: has a bigger opportunity.

1509
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of it, Like I said,

1510
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, especially those first and second level routes, Like

1511
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: I think he runs a great vertical routes and he's

1512
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna eventually. I really believe he will eventually pop one.

1513
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,799
Speaker 2: Like I think he's going to get behind the defender

1514
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 2: at some point and Drake may we'll find him on

1515
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: a go route or something like that. But these first

1516
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: and second level routes take a lot more detail of

1517
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: you know. The other thing too. I think this was

1518
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: last week against Cleveland when they when they targeted him

1519
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 2: on that like seven stop, you know, the route around

1520
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: along the sideline. I think it was the Cleveland game,

1521
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: and and they're all blending together, but like he just

1522
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 2: takes too long to get into the route and in college.

1523
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: That's okay because the quarterbacks have all day back there

1524
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: to kind of let, you know, pat the ball and

1525
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: wait for the receiver to get open. But like he does,

1526
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: like he runs off the line and he gives like

1527
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: a little like a little fake. Then he gets to

1528
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: the top of the route, he gives another little fake

1529
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 2: and then he Denny cuts back right and by the

1530
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: time it all this happens, it's just it's too late, right,

1531
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: It's just too late for the quarterback. So these are

1532
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: all the little details that when you run first and

1533
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 2: second level routes in the league, like, you have to

1534
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: be sharp on in order to get these targets. So

1535
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: I do think that that can be developed, and I

1536
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: do think that they have the right coaching now that

1537
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: hopefully they can develop in those areas. And we'll see

1538
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: all right, back to the phones. Sean is in Vancouver.

1539
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: What's up, Sean.

1540
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 9: I'm very happy that the Patriots kept the twenty first

1541
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 9: century streak alive of not losing to the Falcons. The

1542
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 9: game was closer than it should have been. So this

1543
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 9: this week it's gonna be their toughest matchup against the

1544
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 9: Bucks since the Bills. It's tough when you can't turn

1545
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 9: the ball over, you know, and make big mistakes or

1546
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 9: are they going to lose? But I'm excited. I'm going

1547
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 9: to be there, Evan. Are you going to be at

1548
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 9: the rally at Sunset Rodeo at five on Saturday?

1549
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 5: Oh?

1550
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what time we're getting

1551
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 2: in as of right now, but there's a rally.

1552
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 9: Where is it at Sunset Rodeo? It's three to zero

1553
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 9: two Howard Street, like close to downtown.

1554
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Yeah, if we're there in time, the boss

1555
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: Man might be there for sure. But if we're there

1556
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: on time, I would not mind stopping by. I've heard

1557
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: that it's going to be quite the Patriots party in

1558
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: Tampa this weekend. A lot of Patriots fans, a lot

1559
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: of Patriots fans buying tickets for this game and making

1560
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: this like their road trip of the season type of thing.

1561
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you're going, Sean. That'd be cool.

1562
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, it'll be fun, all right, I'll take it off, all.

1563
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: Right, sounds good. Maybe i'll see you there. Yeah, it's

1564
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: been for week now. I've been hearing a lot about

1565
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: how many Patriots fans are going to be in Tampa.

1566
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: For this game. So I'm actually interested to see how

1567
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: well they travel because it's a good Bucks team, Like

1568
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: they're not going to play the test, the one in

1569
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: seven Titans, right where the Patriots fans take over the

1570
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 2: stadium against a bad team. This is an illegitimate playoff contender.

1571
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the Bucks. That's a

1572
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: good segue. So just really quickly from Rick Stroud, who's,

1573
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, one of their their beat writers for the

1574
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Times, it sounds like Chris Godwin and Bucky

1575
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: Irving are still a little ways away and aren't going

1576
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: to play in this game. He's saying, not expected to

1577
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: practice today. Are both are still in the rehab phase.

1578
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: So if you're in the rehab phase on a Wednesday

1579
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: before the game, I don't know, you're not probably gonna play.

1580
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: So that's sort of been the story for the Bucks. Offensively.

1581
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 2: They've lost Evans, they've lost Godwin, they've lost Irving, they

1582
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: lost Godecki, their right tackles on injured reserve. He was

1583
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: designated to return, but we know how that works. There's

1584
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: a three week ramp up period and I don't know

1585
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: if that's necessarily going to you know, he's gonna play

1586
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: this week. It might be a little bit too soon still,

1587
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: so they did just have their bye week. They're coming

1588
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: off the buy, so hopefully, you know, for their sake

1589
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 2: at least, maybe they're gonna get a little bit healthier

1590
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: coming out of this by But basically, you know, the

1591
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: first six weeks of the season for Baker, you know,

1592
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 2: starting with their offense, Baker is an MVP candidate. For

1593
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: the first six weeks of the season, he's playing great,

1594
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: like twelve to one touchdown interception ratio. He has like

1595
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: all these insane scrambles on film where he's just running

1596
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: guys over and things like that. So he was playing

1597
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 2: a really high level for the first six weeks of

1598
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 2: the season. Then their injuries really started to pile up,

1599
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: especially at receiver with those veteran guys. So they're basically

1600
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: throwing to Agbuka, who's a great young rookie, really impressive guy.

1601
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah to watch this week. My guy Tess Johnson is

1602
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: like kind of their pop Douglas, Like they're like gadget player.

1603
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: Sterling Shepherd is their third receiver. I probably found out

1604
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 2: this week that Sterling Shepherd was still in the league,

1605
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: so he's their third receiver, and then kaid And has

1606
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 2: been like a decent, you know, kind of hunter Henry

1607
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: Ish tight end, like a train moving titan.

1608
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: We want to talk about still in leaue, Ryan Miller

1609
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 1: still in the league too.

1610
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's sort of their skill group right now

1611
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: around Baker Mayfield. That is not Evans guy winning, Buka

1612
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: right and Bucky Irving. It's so when you look at

1613
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 2: the stats, you know, Baker is only completing like fifty

1614
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 2: six percent of his passes over the last two weeks.

1615
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: He really struggled in that game against Detroit, missed a

1616
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,799
Speaker 2: lot of open throws in that game against the Lions.

1617
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: But my guess is in that game, you know he's

1618
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: throwing the guys he hasn't never really thrown to before.

1619
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of fresh faces. He didn't seem too

1620
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: confident throwing the ball. I thought he was hesitant out

1621
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 2: holding the football a little bit. So their offense is

1622
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 2: reeling a little bit here over the last couple of weeks.

1623
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: Defensively there, they're fantastic. They've got a great defense, a great,

1624
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: great secondary, really good group. You know, Antoine Winfield is

1625
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the League, elite ballhawking

1626
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 2: safety Jamal Dean's playing really well for them. Jacob Parrish

1627
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: in the slot is a player that I really liked

1628
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 2: in the draft that I thought maybe the Patriots would

1629
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 2: be interested in.

1630
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

1631
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 2: From ya Yai off the edge. They have some really

1632
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: good players and they have a really good scheme with

1633
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 2: Todd Bowles. But let's stick you know with the offense.

1634
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 2: Just your interpretation of Baker's season and you know what

1635
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: kind of worries you about this Bucks offense?

1636
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: Uh, definitely, big play threats all over the field. I

1637
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: thought Baker, you know, he's in the MVP chase. It

1638
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: it kills him that he's losing all these guys. He's

1639
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: losing Evans, he's losing Godwin, and that's obviously going to

1640
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: change things. But he's a baller and he's not gonna

1641
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: He's gonna take a step back less than I think

1642
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: some other guys would when things get tough. He's shown

1643
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: he can elevate the people around him. So he's a

1644
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: real threat. He's somebody you have to be aware of

1645
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: at all times. He can make and he's underrated too.

1646
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 1: He can make plays with his legs. He doesn't do

1647
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: it a lot, and they're not really gonna call design runs,

1648
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: but he'll he'll pick up a first down or two

1649
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: over the course of the game on a scramble if

1650
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: you let him. And Michael Pennix, who is a good

1651
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: runner but doesn't run a lot. He got the Patriots

1652
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: in that way a couple a couple of times last

1653
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: week too, So good point. You know, I think you attack,

1654
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: maybe you try to find areas where they're banged up

1655
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: and you attack that. I don't necessarily know you attack

1656
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: banged up wide receivers. Maybe that's just more more of

1657
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: the blitz, you knowing guys won't get open as quick

1658
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: banged up offensive line structure pressure in that way. But

1659
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's a real deal. Like, Baker Mayfield is going

1660
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: to be the best quarterback they've faced since since Josh,

1661
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: So you gotta come ready for him.

1662
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a really good player. Obviously, been three

1663
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: years there now in Tampa Bay, and he's had three

1664
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: different offensive coordinators because they keep getting head coaching johns

1665
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,759
Speaker 2: because he's so good. So his career revival has gotten

1666
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 2: Dave Canalis and Liam Cohen head coaching jobs. As his

1667
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: play caller in one like in one year too, like

1668
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 2: leap Phone was his play caller for one year and

1669
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 2: landed the Jaguars head coaching job just off of that.

1670
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 2: So that tells you a lot about Baker Mayfield. I

1671
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: think that you mentioned it a little bit there with

1672
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: the receivers. One of the things that's giving them trouble

1673
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: is man coverage because they just haven't had the health

1674
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: that receiver, ye you know, to be able to beat

1675
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: man consistently and separate consistently and time it up and

1676
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So this game is a

1677
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:37,879
Speaker 2: little similar statistically, at least to Pennix and the Falcons,

1678
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: in that you know, Baker's thirty first in the league

1679
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: and apa against man coverage. He's only averaging like four

1680
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 2: and a half yards per attempt right now against man

1681
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 2: to man. A lot of that, to me is not

1682
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: having Godwin in Evans and not having guys that he

1683
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: trusts that can separate against man to man coverage. So

1684
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: you see those, you know, kind of cracks in the

1685
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 2: foundation because of that. It's another quarterback. And now I

1686
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: trust Baker more because he's better and he's more experienced,

1687
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: but it's another quarterback that likes to throw the ball

1688
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: vertically and outside the numbers. He's not a big thrower

1689
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field either, So that could

1690
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 2: also be why the man coverage hasn't been great, because,

1691
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: like I'll keep saying it, the beat man coverage, you

1692
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: throw slants, you throw crossing routes, you throw digs, you

1693
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: throw stuff into the middle of the field. So if

1694
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: you're not willing to throw those routes and you're only

1695
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: gonna throw outs and corners and verticals and stuff like that,

1696
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: that's into the leverage of the man coverage defender. So

1697
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: you're throwing it right into the defense. So I have

1698
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 2: a little bit more faith in Baker Mayfield to layer

1699
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: throws into the middle of the field if they're open,

1700
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 2: because he's more experienced and a better quarterback than Michael Pennix.

1701
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: But it's still not an offense that really lives in

1702
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. It's not necessarily what they do.

1703
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 2: I think Gonzo shadows of Buka. Assuming Gonzo's healthy, which

1704
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: he indicated he was at the end end of the

1705
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: game last week. Uh, you know, Gonzo shadows like Buka,

1706
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 2: Tes Johnson and Marcus Jones. Seems like a decent matchup

1707
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, Carlton Davis will probably be the boundary

1708
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: and take Sterling Shepard and then Kate Aton is kind

1709
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: of the one guy. Now, Kateaen is on an explosive

1710
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: tight end, but he's crafty. He reminds me a lot

1711
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: of Hunter Henry, Like he's crafty. Uh, he's good at

1712
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: the top of the route. He can like kind of

1713
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: bump you off and you know, attack leverage and like

1714
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: that whole sort of thing. Uh So, last week it

1715
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 2: was a lot of Craig Woodson on Kyle Pitts, and

1716
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 2: to Woodson's credit, he did a decent job I thought

1717
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: on Kyle Pitts. So maybe those are your matchups, you know,

1718
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: Gonzo against Egbuca, Teded Johnson and Marcus Jones, Sterling Shepherd,

1719
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis and then uh Woodson on on. So you know,

1720
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Sean White out of the backfield can do some things,

1721
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: you know, as a pass catch.

1722
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: They did a pretty good job on on Bijan last week.

1723
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 1: He didn't like that. They should be able to replicate that.

1724
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,839
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that Rashad White as Bijon,

1725
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: but like they I thought they had a good plan

1726
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: for the running back last week.

1727
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: It was a better This is a you know, in

1728
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 2: my mind, it's kind of like just a little bit

1729
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: of a better version of the Falcons in terms of

1730
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 2: the way they they run their offense, Yeah.

1731
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: I could see that.

1732
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,879
Speaker 2: Not their run game necessarily, they're more of a downhill

1733
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 2: run team than Atlanta is all the stretch runs. But

1734
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 2: in terms of their pass game, it's really similar. Like

1735
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: they'll do a lot of you know, trips and bunches,

1736
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: Like they run a lot of three by one with

1737
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: three receivers to one side of the formation, and they'll they'

1738
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: That is another thing I would just highlight in terms

1739
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: of the chess match, like the Patriots struggled a little

1740
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: bit last week with sorting out bunches by Atlanta, especially

1741
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 2: down in the red zone. So I think the Falcons

1742
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: are excuse me, the the Bucks will come in and

1743
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 2: test that this week, so they do a lot of

1744
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But I'm looking forward to Gonzo

1745
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 2: against like Buca. I think that's a kind of like

1746
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 2: when he faced Marvin Harrison last year as a rookie,

1747
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be a fun matchup. He's a really

1748
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: good player. Moving over to the defense. You know, the

1749
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: Paigets offense against the Bucks defense. Uh, Todd Bowles Man

1750
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: is gonna put Drake May in a blender or he's

1751
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 2: gonna gonna try. I don't know if he's gonna succeed,

1752
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 2: but he's gonna try. And Uh he is a just

1753
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 2: maniacal blitzer Like this guy comes after quarterbacks. Uh. They're

1754
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: only seventh in the league and blitz rate, but it

1755
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,560
Speaker 2: feels higher about because of all the simulated pressure that

1756
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: they run where they're gonna show blitz and then kind

1757
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 2: of back out of it, which is basically like it's

1758
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: the idea of it is still kind of the same. Uh,

1759
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: they run a lot of blitz. They're fourth in the

1760
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 2: league right now in team pressure rate. The Patriots have

1761
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,879
Speaker 2: had some issues the last couple of weeks with pressure,

1762
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: you know, both up front and with the quarterback. So

1763
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: this is another one of those defenses that is gonna

1764
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 2: spin the dial. They're gonna disguise a lot on the

1765
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: back end. There's gonna be a lot of pressure on

1766
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: the quarterback and the Patriots are gonna have to manage that.

1767
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 2: So Uh, it's a fun defense to watch on film.

1768
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: You know. They they really mix it up. You look

1769
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: at their coverages, like, there's not a ton of tendency

1770
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: with their coverages. It's a kind of everything across the board.

1771
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 2: They're kind of cover all their grounds there, so they

1772
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 2: mix it up quite a bit. And you know they're

1773
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: gonna come after Drake the number one thing I look

1774
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: at with uh, you know Bowls' blitz package. He loves

1775
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: those mug fronts. So mugfronts, you're just gonna put a

1776
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 2: linebacker in each a gap and he's gonna stand up

1777
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: and then you can just play this game of cat mouse.

1778
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 2: Is he dropping? Is he rushing? You know, they'll drop one,

1779
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 2: they'll rush one, they'll drop both, they'll rush both. Like

1780
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 2: they'll do all these different sort of permutations out of

1781
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: those fronts, and you have to you know, they'll play man,

1782
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 2: they'll play zone. You kind of have to decipher, you know,

1783
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. So this is a big

1784
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 2: you know, where are your hots? You know how much

1785
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: time do I have in the pocket? Uh, you know,

1786
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 2: how are they in manner? Are they in zone? Like

1787
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 2: this is a big mental test for this Patriots offense. Yeah,

1788
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: And I think the difference between this and maybe some

1789
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: of the last couple of defenses that they've faced is

1790
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: that those defenses were system defenses where they sat in

1791
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 2: a lot of the same coverages, but they just played

1792
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 2: those coverages really, really well, whereas this is a true,

1793
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're gonna get, spin the dial

1794
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: kind of defense with Tampa Bay. So it's gonna be

1795
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 2: interesting to see how it goes because it can go

1796
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 2: one of two ways. Either the quarterback goes into the

1797
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 2: blender or he sees the blitzes coming in. There's open

1798
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 2: receivers all over the world.

1799
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: Well, so I think it's a big get to go

1800
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: back to what we talked about from the Falcons game.

1801
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: Got to get the ball out quick. That is a massive,

1802
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: massive point of emphasis this week. And we'll see he's

1803
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: done a very good job. Like we'll talk about something

1804
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: one week, go Drake May struggled with this, and then

1805
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: he comes back the next week and excels at it

1806
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: right right, big way.

1807
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:37,560
Speaker 4: To do that.

1808
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think that that's a good point.

1809
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: You know, I'm really looking forward. That's kind of the

1810
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: number one thing that I am looking for in this

1811
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: game is does Drake May take the coaching of some

1812
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 2: of the different things that he missed in the game

1813
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 2: that led to sacks. You can he take that coaching

1814
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: and then correct it the next week, because he's been

1815
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 2: pretty good about that. I would say most of the

1816
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 2: season and most of his career about correcting mistakes and

1817
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: going back and forth. A couple of other matchups that

1818
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: stand out to me. I don't know which ones stand

1819
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 2: out to you, but Vidavea against Jared Wilson and Garrett

1820
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: Bradbury is a power in size mismatch. In the inside.

1821
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know if you try to run the

1822
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 2: ball inside on this defense, I don't know if you're

1823
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 2: gonna have any luck doing that. And then also in

1824
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: the past rush you know if you're going to get

1825
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: one on ones in. Via Va also likes to pick,

1826
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: like he likes to be the pick man on stunts

1827
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 2: a lot, and he'll just like ear hole guys, like

1828
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: he'll just come through and he'll be the pick man

1829
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: and he'll just freaking give you a nice slab right

1830
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: right in the rims and just pop the guy off,

1831
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: the guy he's trying to block. So it's he's a menace,

1832
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,879
Speaker 2: Like he is an absolute monster. I love watching Vitaveta

1833
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 2: play he's a fantastic player, but he's a game wrecker,

1834
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: like he's someone that could truly you might not be

1835
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: able to run the ball inside, and Drake may might

1836
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: not have much of a pocket to step into. If

1837
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,560
Speaker 2: Vida Veya's humming.

1838
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of good defensive tackle play

1839
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: in this game. The inside of Tampa's lion's kind of

1840
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: been refigured a few times. They're dealing with injuries and

1841
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: Milton Williams and Christian bar More, they can they do

1842
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: more to convert some of those pressures to they've been

1843
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: playing well, it's not necessarily their fault, but like, do

1844
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: we see them do we see them start to pile

1845
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: up some more sacks in this game?

1846
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting one. Any other things stand

1847
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: out to you about this Tampa team.

1848
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it for me.

1849
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'll be down there. It'll be fun. I'm looking

1850
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: forward to it. I think this is I wish this

1851
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: game was. I'm happy this game is a one for

1852
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 2: personal reasons because I always like one o'clock games, But

1853
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: I wish this game was a little bit more four

1854
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 2: o'clock window, primetime window, because it does feel like two

1855
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: teams that are are big time playoff teams, you know,

1856
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: in both conferences, and it's kind of a bummer that

1857
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 2: the game is at one o'clock, but it is what

1858
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 2: it is. All right, let's get to some of these emails.

1859
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: I haven't done emails.

1860
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we haven't done emails in a minute.

1861
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: And we have a lot of emails. So oh, let's

1862
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 2: get to some of these emails. That's a Kyle Williams question.

1863
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: We already kind of went over that a little bit.

1864
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna do you want to answer answer

1865
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 2: this question about dead cap because Fred yesterday did he

1866
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 2: did do this. He was reading this email about dead

1867
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 2: cap and did not want to answer this question because

1868
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: it's you know, mundane and boring to talk about dead cap.

1869
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 2: So would you please man explain to me how dead

1870
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 2: cap works. We always hear certain players are untradable due

1871
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: to the size of the contracts and the dead cap.

1872
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 2: I understand that contracts have guaranteed money, but couldn't selling

1873
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: couldn't the selling team we will move all the money

1874
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 2: in contract to the buying team, US, eliminating any dead cap. No,

1875
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: so the dead cap on the contract is related to

1876
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 2: the guarantees and the base salary of the contract that

1877
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: is already in escro headed towards the player, and that

1878
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 2: dead cap is the responsibility of the team that signed

1879
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: the contract. So you can't transfer dead cap, so that

1880
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 2: is going to be the Patriots responsibility. For example, with

1881
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggart, they have about nine million dollars in dead

1882
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: cap next year due to the Kyle Duggar trade. So

1883
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 2: you hear this a lot with AJ Brown, who I

1884
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 2: don't have the exact number, but I think AJ Brown

1885
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: has something like fifty million dollars in dead cap if

1886
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: he's traded by the Eagles right now. On the flip side,

1887
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: the way that the Jets structured Sauce Gardner's extension, they

1888
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 2: don't have a ton of dead cap because they didn't

1889
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: pay him a lot of money up front, so they

1890
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 2: kind of left their options open there a little bit.

1891
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: So that's dead cap is the responsibility of the team

1892
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 2: that's trading the player.

1893
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Always is fifty nine million in dead cap for AJ

1894
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Brown this year, forty three million from next year.

1895
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: So that being said, there are instances where teams have

1896
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 2: had a lot of dead cap and rated the player

1897
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 2: anyway or cut the player. Anyway. The Broncos did this

1898
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson a couple of years ago, and they

1899
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 2: just ate it and they just managed the dead cap

1900
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 2: for that season, and they were able to figure it out.

1901
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's not ideal, but they were able to

1902
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 2: figure it out.

1903
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: What I think people get confused about with dead cap

1904
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: I'll try to think of an example that dead cap

1905
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: is not lost cap space in the sense that, Okay,

1906
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: so Kyle Darry, right, they've nine million dollars in dead cap.

1907
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that number off top my head.

1908
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust there. But the nine million dollars dead

1909
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: cap on Kyle Doug's contract, his original cap hit was fourteen. Sure,

1910
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: so the Patriots have a nine million dollar dead cap

1911
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: charge against him. But they still open up five million dollars, right,

1912
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: So they opened up some. You don't open up all

1913
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: of it. You opened up some. But some players it

1914
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: is possible a J. Brown's like this, the dead cap

1915
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: can exceed the cap savings. So for it, because it

1916
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: can if there's a bunch of details in the schedule

1917
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: of the contracts. But basically, right, so AJ Brown's cap

1918
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: hit or AJ Brown's dead cap is fifty nine million

1919
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: dollars because when you cut a player, sometimes the money's

1920
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: due when you cut him, so it moves money up.

1921
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: AJ Brown's dead cap numbers fifty nine million. His cap

1922
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: hit because the way the contract is structured is only

1923
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: seventeen million, So they would lose forty two million in

1924
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: cap space that they would otherwise have if they didn't

1925
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: trade AJ Brown. So dead cap space is not necessarily

1926
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: cap space loss. You can open up money cutting a

1927
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: player that has dead cap space, You're just not going

1928
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: to open up it. Dead money is what you owe him,

1929
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: regardless off he's on the roster or not. That's not

1930
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: the same as I don't know the term for it.

1931
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: I guess cap savings is the difference between that player's

1932
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: cap hit and the money you owe him if you

1933
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: cut him.

1934
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 2: Right. So basically, the dead cap is tied to the

1935
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: base salary that's guaranteed to the player, whereas the money

1936
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 2: you're talking about is per game roster bonuses, workout bonuses,

1937
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: incentive packages like if you know, he hits a certain

1938
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 2: amount of games, or he makes a Pro Bowl or

1939
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 2: they make the playoffs or whatever. So all those different

1940
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: things are things that the player has to earn over

1941
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 2: the life of the contract by his play on the field,

1942
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: So that's not guaranteed to him. So that's why when

1943
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 2: you cut a player like Kyle dugger he has X

1944
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 2: amount and dead cap which is tied to his base salary. Yeah,

1945
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: but then he might have had some incentives or bonuses

1946
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 2: or whatever. That money falls off the cap, right, it's

1947
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 2: just a dead cap that stays on the salary cap.

1948
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 2: So they'll have, you know, some dead cap next year

1949
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: as a team. In general, I think it's about twenty

1950
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: five to thirty million. Now, again that's not that's not

1951
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 2: a deal breaker.

1952
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: It's a little high, but like every team has dead cap,

1953
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: but it.

1954
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that they are hamstrung against the cap and

1955
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: they can't do anything.

1956
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: It's just I think they're supposed to have about fifty million.

1957
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just tied mostly to the fact that

1958
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: they've moved on from some holdovers that darn't fits. You know,

1959
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers, Kyle Duggar, you know, players like that that

1960
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: they signed to these extensions that ended up not being fits.

1961
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: So that was a very long answer, but I think

1962
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 2: it was very.

1963
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: I was getting nervous talking about that stuff. I know,

1964
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: Miguel is the expert. Yeah you want who the Patriots

1965
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 1: are still paying this year dead cap. Sure so Duggar, Godshaw, Peppers,

1966
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 1: Juju Smith, Schuster and they still have Well, I guess

1967
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: this year doesn't matter. I should do next year because

1968
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: this year is kind of in the books. It's done.

1969
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Their dead money next year quarter over the cap. Kyle

1970
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: Dougar's twelve, Little over twelve, Jabrill Peppers is three, Jalen

1971
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Polk is one point nine, Kendrick Bourne's one point four,

1972
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 1: and then these guys are all less than a million.

1973
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: Keon White Lane, Robinson, Javon Baker, Braden Swinston City.

1974
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's not again like this is not

1975
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 2: me saying that they now have an excuse to not

1976
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 2: spend any money next offseason. It's not anything close to that.

1977
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: It's just trying to explain, you know, the new on.

1978
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: Some of these gets. But the other sports ones get funny,

1979
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: like everybody knows about Bobby Venia, but like, yeah, the

1980
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Red Sox like still paying Manny. That's different money.

1981
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 2: Different money is is maybe one of the most bananas things.

1982
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Well in basketball, there is like when they cut guys.

1983
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: They can they can pro rate the dead cap hit. Yeah, so,

1984
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 1: like I think the Celtics are still paying Blake Griffin

1985
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, I'm pretty sure still for a while they

1986
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: were paying Dimitri's Jackson for a while.

1987
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, all right, next question, you here more of

1988
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 2: a football question than a than a salary cap question.

1989
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: The Celtics are still paying playing Blake Griffin.

1990
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 2: So they were paying KG for until like just a

1991
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 2: couple of years ago.

1992
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a cap hold. I don't know, like

1993
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 1: technically that works, but he's on the books there.

1994
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 2: So Brendan and Philly asks, did this Falcons solve Drake

1995
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 2: May with their defensive So is it something that we

1996
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 2: can expect other defenses to replicate. I don't think they

1997
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 2: solved Drake May necessarily. Now. To their credit, they got

1998
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 2: beat early on a couple of crossing routes, especially the

1999
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 2: big one to Pop.

2000
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were they.

2001
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Called coverages moving forward where they adjusted nicely to some

2002
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 2: of those and that, you know, I guess it depends

2003
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: on what exactly you interpret the call. You know, I

2004
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: would interpret them as like cut crosses. You know, one

2005
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 2: cross is you know, typically what it's called where basically

2006
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 2: you have a primary man coverage defender and he's going

2007
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 2: to run across the field with the crossing route, and

2008
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 2: once it declares as a crossing route, he's going to

2009
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 2: pass the crossing route off to a safety and then

2010
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 2: he's going to fall off and he's going to replace

2011
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 2: the safety. So basically there's a robber a safety in

2012
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. That guy overtakes the crossing route,

2013
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: the safety does, and then the corner becomes the new

2014
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 2: robber in the middle of the defense. The Patriots used

2015
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 2: to run this coverage all the time with Belichick. It

2016
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 2: was one of their staples, and so as the game

2017
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: wore on, especially after Pop hit the fifty eight yarder,

2018
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 2: they started calling these cut coverages where they were cutting

2019
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 2: the crossing routes and that did the Patriots, I think,

2020
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 2: kind of thought they had him on the crossing routes

2021
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 2: and it did kind of throw a wrench in their

2022
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 2: in their play calling and in their game plan. So

2023
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 2: tip of the cap to Atlanta for that. The interception

2024
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry was one of these coverages where Henry

2025
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 2: read it as single high because he had one high

2026
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 2: safety in the middle of the field. But Drake May

2027
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 2: saw the defender cutting the crossing route, sitting on the

2028
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: other side of the field, and he just wanted Henry

2029
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: to just look for the football and just settle right

2030
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 2: in between that open space, and they didn't. They weren't

2031
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 2: on the same page, and Henry kept running and Drake

2032
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: threw it and it was a pick. So I think

2033
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 2: that that that was more of like, you know, like

2034
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: a system breakdown that I would say it was a

2035
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 2: Drake May breakdown. Like I don't think that he specifically

2036
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 2: did anything that made me feel that like, oh no,

2037
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 2: like this is now they the book you know on

2038
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 2: Drake May. It didn't feel like that, and more just

2039
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 2: felt like they the Falcons, to their credit, kind of

2040
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 2: got to feel for it, probably towards the end of

2041
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 2: the first half and then adjusted.

2042
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 1: And as I mean, they got to him a ton,

2043
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: and he felt sped up at points in that game.

2044
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: That's one of the best pass rushers in the league.

2045
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Not every team is going to be able to you know,

2046
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: first of all, they send five a lot. Not every

2047
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: team's gonna be able to send five. Not every team's

2048
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to send five with the personnel that

2049
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Tampa had or that Atlanta has. Yeah, if the book

2050
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: on Drake may is being a very good defensive team,

2051
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: the book maybe out. I don't think there was anything

2052
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 1: schematically in there that would I would call the book

2053
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 1: on Drake May. So I think it's funny because he

2054
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: plays worse against good defenses.

2055
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 2: Go figure, Well, that's a good point because I I

2056
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 2: understand that Atlanta has some like probably fatal flaws. Yeah,

2057
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure Raheem Morris is the right answer there.

2058
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: All right. I wanted to get this from the game. Yeah,

2059
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: what'd you think of the punt? What did the I'm

2060
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: actually meant to ask you this. I meant to text

2061
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: you this. What did the maths say about the punt?

2062
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 2: Punt? I remember lotting this up in real time punt.

2063
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: So I would have gone, yeah, because one first down,

2064
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: regardless of field position, you're not getting the ball back right,

2065
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: and you know the way Drake London's playing, throw it up,

2066
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: maybe get a penalty something like that.

2067
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, I know it's tough. Yeah, I kind of

2068
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 2: thought that in real time too. I'm with you. I

2069
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 2: because of just Drake Lonon is just mossing.

2070
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: Everybody likes also like they need one first down in

2071
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: the game's over.

2072
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

2073
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: I had one other weird thought on that. I'm curious

2074
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: what you think. I would argue, This is a little facetious,

2075
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 1: but not really. I would argue the Falcons would have

2076
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 1: been better off going to the line on four and

2077
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: twenty and spiking the ball than they were punting it.

2078
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Because it puts them on a short field. Well, so

2079
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 2: it's like, basically you're arguing that even if you give

2080
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 2: up points there, it's still a one.

2081
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 1: Well, they weren't. Quote the points were relevant. The Patriots

2082
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: would have needed one first down to getting field goal range.

2083
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 1: They were not in field range, right, they were just

2084
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,640
Speaker 1: outside or would have been a long field goal. But like,

2085
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: there's some risk in kicking the field goal because if

2086
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: you don't get it. Now the Falcons get the ball midfield, and.

2087
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 2: I thought you were going let them score.

2088
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: That's well, no, no spike because there was two oh

2089
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: three on the clock. Yeah, the punt wiped out the

2090
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: two minute warning. The Falcons only the two timeouts. If

2091
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: you spike the ball, it's gonna take less than three seconds,

2092
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: right two oh one. Now there's a timeout after the

2093
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: Patriots first play. If you get to stop time out,

2094
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 1: after the second time out, after the third. Now they

2095
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: either have to kick a really long field goal and

2096
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 1: if they miss that, you're gonna get the ball at

2097
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: midfield after using all three timeouts with more than a

2098
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: minute left, and all you need is to get in

2099
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: a field goal range. And if they get the first down,

2100
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: what does it matter? If they get the first down

2101
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: from their own twenty versus your forty, right, the game's over.

2102
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I guess what it comes down to. We just do

2103
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: football philosophy on the show, and I thought it was

2104
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: an interesting one. What would you rather have in that moment?

2105
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: Forty yards or forty seconds?

2106
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:51,839
Speaker 2: Forty seconds?

2107
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: So I would argue the Falcons would have been better

2108
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: off coming to the line because the clock was stuff.

2109
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:00,719
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have had to rush it. That's a interesting

2110
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: if if they had gone to the line and just

2111
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: clock the ball right, they have been better off than punting.

2112
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 2: So the thing that I think is crazy about that

2113
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 2: because I love it and it's not people would say, thing,

2114
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 2: it's logical.

2115
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: People would say why not throw it away? Throw away

2116
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: might take more than three seconds, like claw it right,

2117
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: so you're gonna get like two to one. You're gonna Uh,

2118
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the ball back, but you get the

2119
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: two minute warning.

2120
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that that's I never even considered that as

2121
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 2: an option. That that's a good one. Uh.

2122
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 1: And now I'm not doing this all the time. If

2123
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: it's fourth and ten, you probably go for it. Fourth

2124
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,799
Speaker 1: and twenty were probably you Either. To me, there's two options.

2125
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: You throw it deep, hoping Drake London makes insane play,

2126
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Speaker 1: or you cop a penalty. To remember, Christian Zalz is

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Speaker 1: out of the game, so he's not out there. You

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Speaker 1: either try to draw a penalty or Drake London goes off.

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Speaker 1: Or again, if that's me in the headset, I said

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01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: that in real time to Matthow said they should spike it.

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Speaker 1: I think I said they should knee it, and then

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Speaker 1: I realized that knee is longer than a spike, so

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Speaker 1: I said they should clock it.

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Speaker 2: These are the times, and I guess you could just

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Speaker 2: ask Frable, but like, these are the times that I

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01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 2: wish that we that we could do press conferences with

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Speaker 2: Stretch because like that's something that they would think about.

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Speaker 1: I know, like that's down to ask one of these guys,

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Speaker 1: like is there any is there any real Like I

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Speaker 1: obviously have my line of thinking. I feel like I've

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01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: put it out there relatively well yeah, but like I

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Speaker 1: would love to hear one of those guys thought because

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01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:22,759
Speaker 1: all you need one first down ends the game, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter where they get it right.

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Speaker 2: But if I would have to, I would bet that

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01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 2: John Striker Stretch has thought of that exact scenario and

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01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 2: he they would do something like that. Yeah, outside the

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01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 2: box like kind of you know, weird, but it's almost

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01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 2: like Bill taking the intentional safe.

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Speaker 1: It's so it's kind of similar to the intentional safety thing,

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01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 1: where that that's more about field position. This is sacrificing

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01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: field position for clock. But so you're with me, you would,

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Speaker 1: let's say you were conscious with you that is logical.

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01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 2: But I this is not my area. So I'm so logical,

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01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:57,679
Speaker 2: But I don't know if there's.

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01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: One day we're in chargement NFL team, right and you're

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01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: gonna be the coach obviously very and I've said on

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Speaker 1: the guy upstairs, Yeah, I go down to you. Evan

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Speaker 1: Spike it you call it, sure love it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be upstairs like Stretch with the with the

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Speaker 2: super Well, this was with Ernie Ad We figured out, Yeah,

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01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 2: you're more Ernie because stretches. He's he's doing the numbers.

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01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: You're not going to do the numbers.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just telling you. Just spike it on fourth

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Speaker 1: and twenty down one.

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Speaker 2: It's not a terrible idea. Now, I thought you were

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01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 2: going let them score, the Patriots. But then if the

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Speaker 2: Patriots score, because.

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Speaker 1: Wait, who let who score?

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Speaker 2: If the Falcons let the Patriots score.

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01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: No, you can't do that. They're just going to go

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01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: down after the first down.

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01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 2: Well they would, if they were smart, they would.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Hunter Henry did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the Patriots are too smart for that.

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Speaker 2: But my point was gonna actually just be to further it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it was a one point game. Yeah, if the

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Speaker 2: Patriots score a touchdown because they spike it and they

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Speaker 2: get on a short field and they spare a touchdown,

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01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 2: now it's a seven point games. Now the Patriots go

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01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 2: for two, maybe you gotta go for two. There's no

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01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 2: difference between the seven in an eight point game when

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01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: the kickers missing extra points are kind of its go

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Speaker 2: for two. All right, let's take this last call and

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Speaker 2: then we got to wrap it up. Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Austin is in Manchester. What's up? Bostin.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Evan, Hey, I saw you guys were talking earlier

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Speaker 10: in the show about just the lack of presence we

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Speaker 10: have on zone coverage and obviously the pass didn't make

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Speaker 10: any moves of the trade deadline. What do you think

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01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 10: they should be looking at for this next coming draft.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks for the call. Austin. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's something that has been on my mind with their

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01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 2: zone coverages. I just think there's too much space underneath

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01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 2: a lot of their zones and the ball's just coming

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01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 2: out too quickly. Now, it's always a balance of you know,

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01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 2: we're talking mostly when they play these zones that I'm

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01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 2: I'm referring to, it's first or second down, so you're

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Speaker 2: and it's between the twenties, right, So you're talking a

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01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 2: lot about it's kind of the bend, don't break thing,

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Speaker 2: And there's an element of that, like when you play

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01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 2: NFL offenses, especially NFL offenses, good ones that are explosive

2203
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 2: and can make big plays down the field, Like do

2204
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 2: you really want to be first and ten from the

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01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 2: twenty five and you're in press man across the board?

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01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a little bit of a

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01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 2: misconception about how much man coverage teams really actually play.

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01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 2: Like even the top teams in man coverage are still

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01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 2: playing more zone than man. Like we're talking like the

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01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 2: teams that lead the league in man coverage rate are

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01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 2: usually around forty forty five percent. So it's not a

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01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 2: league where everybody that teams are playing like seventy five

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01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 2: percent man. It just it's too hard. It's too hard

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01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 2: to do that. So when you talk about man coverage,

2215
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 2: it's mostly third down. You know, a lot of teams

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01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 2: will well, their man coverage rate explodes on third down.

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01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 2: And then it's also you know, situational type of stuff.

2218
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 2: So it's not a ton of early down man because

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01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 2: these offenses are just too explosive and they're too good.

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01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 2: Now that being said, I would, yeah, I would like

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01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: to see the Patriots be a little bit tighter. You know,

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01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 2: we all don't like it, and I know it drives

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01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 2: fans nuts when the corners outside are giving eight yards

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01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 2: a cushion and they just run like a five yard

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01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 2: hitch and turn around and catch the ball and it's

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01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 2: a ten yard completion on first down. It drives us

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01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 2: all nuts. Now that being said, the alternative is getting

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01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 2: up on the line of scrimmage and getting beat over

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01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 2: the top for fifty yard play. So these are the

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01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: as a coach like, that's sort of the balance that

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01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 2: you have to strike here. It's an interesting point in

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01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 2: terms of the draft. I mean, we got a long

2233
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:34,799
Speaker 2: way to go. They're seven and two. I'm enjoying.

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01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Give me a short list, give me your big three

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01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:36,640
Speaker 1: needs right now.

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01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the ride.

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01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Just off the top of your head. Big three needs

2238
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 1: right now.

2239
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 2: Going spine to the defense, edge, linebacker, safety, offense. I

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01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 2: think that offensively, i'd supplement free agency. I think you

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01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 2: need a guard. I'm obviously always open to wide receiver,

2242
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 2: top wide receivers, you know Wattle, aj Brown, you know,

2243
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 2: guy like that is always on the call. Like you

2244
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 2: need another running back, probably, but I don't think you

2245
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 2: need to draft or pay one big. You know, use

2246
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 2: a big time asset, whether it's cap space or a

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01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 2: high draft pick on a running back. So yeah, I

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01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 2: would like to see, like you know, Rabel did it

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01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 2: with Landry, Like draft one of your types at edge rusher,

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01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 2: and let's see Mike Rabel develop like a first round

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01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 2: talent at it.

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01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: It's David Bailey at edge rusher, Like, I.

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01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 2: Think that would be really good for this team to

2254
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 2: see him out there with the pad on and you know, doing.

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01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: I like, I mean, I think edges On there especially.

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01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Chase On. I'd like an

2257
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:37,719
Speaker 1: athletic linebacker. I do put whether it's getting a right tackle,

2258
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, as a long term answer for offensive line,

2259
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: would they probably need one top one hundred pick on

2260
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:49,719
Speaker 1: the offensive line, whether that whether that's a guard, whether

2261
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,680
Speaker 1: that's a tack, a right tackle. So you're would you

2262
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:54,839
Speaker 1: be in on a linebacker like in the first round.

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01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 2: Like an off ball linebacker. No, No, but that's a

2264
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 2: value that's a nerd thing, that's a value thing.

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01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Well, but like that's going to solve a lot of

2266
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 1: problems for him because there are a couple of not

2267
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 1: a lot, there are a couple guys that I think

2268
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:07,520
Speaker 1: are going to be in their conversation.

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01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have Spallane and so you're really looking

2270
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 2: for that weak side sideline to side, like the whole

2271
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 2: cliche thing.

2272
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's what that's what this draft did. Like, that's

2273
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 1: the linebackers.

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01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 2: So I would definitely, you know, if we're talking about

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01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 2: day two then absolutely, and it's been it's been a

2276
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 2: minute since they've used a top one hundred pick on

2277
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 2: like a pure off ball linebacker. They did go kind

2278
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 2: of nerd on on us in that respect that they

2279
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:34,640
Speaker 2: kind of devalued that position at the end with Belichick.

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01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 2: So I could see it in terms, But if it's

2281
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 2: going to be first round, you have to draft like

2282
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 2: it has to be like a.

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01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Real quant one more wear are you on? Because we

2284
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 1: talked about this like a couple of weeks ago, using

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01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 1: a high pick on the tight end. Maybe not first round,

2286
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 1: but like top fifty pick on a tight end.

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01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 2: I like it in the respect that I think that

2288
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 2: you really you need to keep adding for Drake May.

2289
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 2: You can't get complacent and stop adding at the skill position.

2290
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 2: So I want to see them continue to add. But

2291
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if this tight end class is going

2292
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 2: to have the guys that are worth picking. If that

2293
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 2: makes sense, that's fair. Yeah, all right, we got to

2294
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 2: wrap it up. Patriots Unfiltered is going to be on

2295
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 2: here in about ten minutes at noon. We'll be back

2296
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 2: next week. It's going to be abbreviated week, but we'll

2297
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 2: still be on Wednesday at ten am of course, the

2298
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 2: Patriots play Thursday night football against the Jets next week,

2299
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,839
Speaker 2: so we're going to be doing a show on Wednesday,

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01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 2: but it's kind of like we're doing the show on Saturday,

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01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 2: so it's going to be a little different. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: that'll be interesting, but we'll see you guys then. Thanks

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01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 2: for watching.

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Speaker 1: Hey this is Alex.

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