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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Burnette.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 3: No, you don't, I do.

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Speaker 2: Watch this step back? Do you? Did you ever have

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Speaker 2: a snuggie? What a snuggie? Like those blankets that you

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Speaker 2: kind of wear, is like a modified robe?

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Speaker 3: Do I look like a person? You have a blanket

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Speaker 3: that I wear?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I do. Yeah, I would have a robe. I like blankets,

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Speaker 3: so I don't need.

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Speaker 2: To have you know what I'm talking about, though?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah. I remember the people would sit

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Speaker 3: on couches and they would have like this robe draped

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Speaker 3: I remember the late night commercial.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a blanket with armholes. I never had one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember the ads.

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Speaker 2: But there's there's a there's there's a movement in coziness

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Speaker 2: in this world.

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Speaker 3: I figure you were into this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, I've seen these things that are like

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Speaker 2: oversized sweatshirts that come like down to your show, okay,

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Speaker 2: and it's like a big fuzzy blanket, but it's got

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Speaker 2: a hood It's like a giant giant hoodie. Do you

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Speaker 2: know who else likes those? It's this It's they're wild

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Speaker 2: up there Wendy's Canada, the Wendy's restaurant.

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Speaker 3: The restaurant Wendy's.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even Wendy's Canada though. They're wild, dude.

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Speaker 3: They got a whole different vi.

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Speaker 2: You have totally different promotions and ads. They had a

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Speaker 2: thing a couple of years ago and they're not even square,

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Speaker 2: they're like what triangular and f Tendy's. They had like

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Speaker 2: this whole campaign. They won like a Webby Award was

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Speaker 2: nominated anyhow, So they had this this thing not too

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Speaker 2: long ago, but I think it's expired that you could

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Speaker 2: get a nuggie. It's their version of a snuggie. So

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Speaker 2: it's printed like the skin of a chicken nugget. It's

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Speaker 2: wear yeah, and it's like a hoodie. It's fleece lined.

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Speaker 2: It's something you would totally wear, super cozy. It has

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Speaker 2: a pocket in the front of little kangaroo, but then

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Speaker 2: on in front of the pocket there's another pocket where

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Speaker 2: it fits a container of chicken nuggets, or, as Baby

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Speaker 2: Yoda would sing, chicky nuggies. So I I hereby declare

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Speaker 2: that ridiculous, but also I kind of want one.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that just sounds hot.

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Speaker 2: Chicken. You are You're always so bundled.

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Speaker 3: Up and you were like uddies, But I wouldn't. I

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Speaker 3: don't like like over ever present clothing like that. Like

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Speaker 3: to be just swaddled. Now that sounds hot.

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Speaker 2: I like to be swaddled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a second. How's your voice? You doing okay?

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Speaker 2: You know it's we're fighting the good fight. Apparently there

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Speaker 2: was an article in sf Gate that there's this cough

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Speaker 2: going around the Bay area. Yeah, and I have the cough,

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Speaker 2: but I know nope, other people who have it. But

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the only one who's losing her

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Speaker 2: voice on this one. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, And that's.

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Speaker 2: The gods are smiting me and telling me to shut

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Speaker 2: my pie hole that I refuse j So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: I mean, it comes and goes. So I apologize for

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Speaker 2: how greating this may sound, but you know I'm doing

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Speaker 2: the best it can.

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Speaker 3: Hang in there, Chief, Thank you, sir. Well, I got

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Speaker 3: something for you. This ridiculous. You got a second? Oh god,

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Speaker 3: I do skyjacking.

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Speaker 2: Oh that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You know I love it, Elizabeth, I've got a hell

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Speaker 3: of a story for you too. Yeah, this one it's

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Speaker 3: like part two of a previous story. Oh you remember

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Speaker 3: Garrett brock trapnel I do you do? Okay, the skyjacker

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Speaker 3: had his girlfriend like a hijacky helicopter to break him

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Speaker 3: out of prison. Well, do you remember how he had

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Speaker 3: another guy with him when he's trying to break out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: They were in the yard and they were waving in

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Speaker 3: the helicopter. This is the story of the other guy.

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Speaker 3: He was also a skyjacker.

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Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, two.

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Speaker 3: Skyjackers, totally unrelated, just men in prison got along head

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Speaker 3: common interest in his story. Even more ridiculous. This is

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Speaker 3: this is a ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 3: outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine to

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Speaker 3: free and ridiculous. Yeah, put you back into it. Plane travel,

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah, we've talked about this. You talked about

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Speaker 3: the guy who had that crappy time on a plane,

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Speaker 3: made a big stink in there. Well, these days an

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Speaker 3: air of viral clips. There are plenty of outlandis stories.

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Speaker 3: He can't even go like a week without there being

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Speaker 3: a plane story, it seems. Oh yeah, then there's also

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Speaker 3: the news stories too. I just mean with people of

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Speaker 3: acting poorly on planes, not the planes acting pooral as

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Speaker 2: You can see someone kind of in a window seat

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Speaker 2: filming something in the aisle and they're trying to be subtle.

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Speaker 2: It's like from a low end.

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Speaker 3: Exactly as someone walks past, like shrieking backwards and other people. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So there's also whole social media accounts now, like on

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Speaker 2: That's got to be chock full content.

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Speaker 3: It is. They have enough that they can just constantly post.

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine if we had social media during the

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Speaker 3: jet age, like when it first started?

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Speaker 2: Oh No, there's a lot of stuff when I look

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Speaker 2: back in time and I'm like, could you imagine if

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Speaker 2: we had social media then? And for most of them,

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Speaker 2: I'm really grateful if I'm involved, I'm really grateful we

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Speaker 3: In this case, like I think it would be kind

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Speaker 3: of the opposite of the normal trend. This it's like

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Speaker 3: the captured opulence of jet age. Oh travel, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think you'd see people behaving. So people got dressed

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Speaker 2: up to get on a plane, and they behaved themselves

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Speaker 2: in public. People don't behave in public anymore. They did

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Speaker 2: not know we were failing as a society.

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Speaker 3: A jet used to be exciting. Like in nineteen fifty eight,

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Speaker 3: Boeing brought out the seven O seven that was America's

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Speaker 3: first jet airliner. We were not the first to have

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Speaker 2: But that was our first big old jet airliner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Bingo jet he had his light on.

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Speaker 3: So nineteen fifty nine first year, a bunch of people

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Speaker 3: across the Atlanta by plane. In fact, more people crossed

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Speaker 3: the Atlantic by plane than by ship first year ever

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Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty nine, thus marking the beginning of the

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Speaker 3: jet age. Right. So this means basically, in the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 3: it becomes popular, democratized, it becomes something accessible for more

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Speaker 2: This the flight attendants stewardess is in those he's had

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Speaker 2: like a carving station totally down the aisle exactly, people

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Speaker 2: who are all dressed up and had giant seats.

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Speaker 3: Totally legit prime rib lobster buffet. You getting like seven cocktails.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. The spiral staircase, like this is the spiral staircase.

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Speaker 3: Go oh, the whole other floor of six we have

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Speaker 3: the buffets better on the second floor. What it was nuts? Right, Well,

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Speaker 3: I never got to fly like that. I never saw

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Speaker 3: it myself, but I've seen photos. I know it's real.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can imagine it if you will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it predates me, but totally it feels like something

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very kingly, but I want to believe in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But also like these days, the way we fly now

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Speaker 3: is it's basically like how taking a greyhound bus used

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Speaker 3: to be there. It'll get you there, yeah, most most

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Speaker 3: likely probably be delayed, but you'll get you there now.

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Speaker 3: As I was saying, if you get if we had

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Speaker 3: social media in the jet age, right, it also would

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Speaker 3: have documented the skyjacker era.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's true, right, that's the boom in seventies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some influencer live streaming dB Cooper on the plane.

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Speaker 3: There'd be no mysteries anymore, and then they'd be like.

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Speaker 2: Doxim and everyone figure out who he is exactly.

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Speaker 3: You take them like seventeen hours. Your people on Reddy

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Speaker 3: would have themally done. So, as I said, we've discussed

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Speaker 3: the golden age of skyjacking before with Garrett brock Trapnel, Right,

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Speaker 3: So I'm not going to go into all of it,

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Speaker 3: but for a brief recap, skyjacking basically becomes a thing

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Speaker 3: in the mid sixties. That's where you hijack a plane

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Speaker 3: and you hold it for ransom and say I either

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Speaker 3: wanted for political reasons, like give me some prisoners back

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Speaker 3: or give me some cash, and I'm gonna go to Cuba. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's basically a hijacking with a ransom intent.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't always as I said, It wasn't always political,

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Speaker 3: was always terrorists. Sometimes it's just purely money. But usually

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Speaker 3: people would then want to be diverted somewhere, right, they

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Speaker 3: would take the plane, they'd steal the plane and you

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Speaker 3: can come get it later, right, So they would want

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Speaker 3: to fly to Cuba. As I said, Right, this was

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Speaker 3: so common that during the Golden era of skyjacking, pilots

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Speaker 3: because you never know. That's how it's crazy, right, But

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Speaker 3: the reason why is because there's pretty much zero security. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: in the seventies. But basically there was not a anyone

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Speaker 3: could walk right up to the gate.

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Speaker 2: It was a beautiful time.

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Speaker 3: I bet some airports a person could walk right onto

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Speaker 3: the tarmac ticket really because you could get onto the

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Speaker 3: can get literally onto the plane without any proof that

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Speaker 2: On the plane, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Just like a train. That's exactly the model.

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Speaker 2: I remember, being able to go to the gate to

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Speaker 2: meet people or to bid them a dow.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that existed until nine to eleven. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: goes all the way up to two thousand and one. Basically,

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Speaker 3: So sky marshals, which we think of, you know, being

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Speaker 3: a big nine to eleven invention, it wasn't. They started

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy, that's actually, but it was because of

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Speaker 3: how many skyjackings there were. At first they thought we'll

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Speaker 3: just put a cop on there. Eventually they got to

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Speaker 3: we needed to actually screen the passenger. So out to

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Speaker 3: have metal detectors. Then we have like the modern era,

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Speaker 3: but at the point it was so common and so

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say accepted, but it was a

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Speaker 3: much different approach. They treated it. A hijacking was like

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Speaker 3: kind of like a bank robbery, where the crews, the

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Speaker 3: airline crews were told by the airlines to act like

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Speaker 3: bank tellers, which is basically, avoid any possibility of violence.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't be a hero exactly.

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Speaker 3: The planes ensured or whatever, go along with their demands.

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Speaker 3: So this basically encouraged a whole culture of skyjackings. You're

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Speaker 3: will emerge because if you allow it, then.

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Speaker 2: You've allowed It's like shoplifting now where they say don't

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Speaker 2: apprehend the shoplifting, but people who work in the stores

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Speaker 3: So there's this book called The Skies Belong to Us

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Speaker 3: there were one hundred and thirty skyjackings just in America. Wow,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the skis with the Wild West Elizabeth. Yeah. So

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Speaker 3: Totally. So Martin McNally, he's resistant. He's like, Dad, you tried.

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Speaker 3: So he eventually gets fired. He moves on to his

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Speaker 3: about his making bake jump right? It is? He was.

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Speaker 3: He was a smart guy, quick thinker. He was like,

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Speaker 2: He had eleven years of Catholic school, he exactly.

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Speaker 3: And you know in a couple of years of Navy

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Speaker 2: Now that teach a lot totally the.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, he wasn't better at that. He got caught loaded

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Speaker 3: He was trying to exchange them. You know, he's went

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Speaker 3: I wish I had a better answer. Slugs, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: And he kept doing that. I don't know Elizabeth anyway,

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Speaker 3: Calendar kept flipping pages. He tries numerous scams, small cons

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Speaker 3: over the years nineteen seventy two rolls around. Everything changes

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Speaker 3: the parted clouds, though making way for a shaft of sunlight. Instead,

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Speaker 3: Like the man in the sky got no, No, not

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Speaker 3: that a man wearing a parachute Elizabeth clutching a bag

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Speaker 3: of ransom cash as he fell back to earth. That's

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Speaker 3: what inspired. Just before Thanksgiving in nineteen seventy one, the

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Speaker 3: even though you hitting the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 3: a huge deal. Right one night. Two months later Martin mcnow,

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Speaker 3: he's driving around listening to the news on the car radio. Right,

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Speaker 3: who's commandeered a jet airliner from Portland, a Boeing seven

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Speaker 3: twenty seven. If you're a Carter skyjacker demanded that the

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Speaker 3: plane land and did he be given two hunderd grand

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can have it in your car carry.

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Speaker 3: On luggage exactly like I wouldn't count on the cops

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Speaker 2: In fact, did he have luggage. It's probably shadier if

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Speaker 3: Get I've done that.

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Speaker 3: They definitely, especially if it's the one way flight. I've

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Speaker 2: When I got I bought a car from my uncle

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Speaker 3: And he bought the ticket the same day. Forget about.

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Speaker 2: One way ticket to Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Luggage you, ma'am, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we looked a sight too.

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Speaker 3: Things were a little different back then. The cops brought

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Speaker 3: didn't even play any games.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just like forces and spoons inside the days.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, do you have a mentor exactly?

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Speaker 3: You just you can see it, you can be it, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: It is so true.

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Speaker 2: He got like the horn room glasses, He's like dressed

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Speaker 2: This site in the underground. He's a mole man.

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Speaker 2: Out of a peel pew exactly.

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Speaker 3: So satisfied with petrol Kowski's value was a small time criminal.

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Speaker 2: What does it do to cut the barrel off like that?

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Speaker 2: Somewhere I see, like put it in his pant and so.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, see i'm learning. I'm learning today.

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Speaker 3: The pistol to get to your long gun.

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Speaker 3: So McNally he finds a briefcase that will house his

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Speaker 3: And also he shoves into this briefcase a wig and

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Speaker 3: So he took us accomplished Petlekowski to the airport. They

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Speaker 3: to take to the skies. Elizabeth, you know when you.

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Speaker 2: Were when I said big old jet airliner and you.

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Speaker 3: Said Bingo jet had a light on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you always hear the Steve Miller lyrics,

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Speaker 3: I like to Bingo Jet is a full caro je.

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Speaker 3: If he didn't have his light on, you know how

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bingo Jet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm telling you you ready to skyjack a jumbo

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Speaker 2: If my name ate Bingo Jet it's.

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Speaker 3: A June twenty third. Yeah, it was a Friday, Okay.

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Speaker 3: he tarnet, Yeah, I know. He waved goodbye to his wheelman.

437
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 3: Headed inside the airport, went to the ticket counter, bought

438
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 3: a one way ticket to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

439
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 2: Saint Louis to Tulsa.

440
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 3: Told the lady behind the ticket counter's name was Robert Wilson.

441
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 2: No.

442
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's like a whole play on

443
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 3: Robert Anton Wilson or not, but anyway, Robert Wilson, Yeah,

444
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 3: pay for the ticket. He showed his Navy discharge papers,

445
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 3: but the documents were forged. They were good for one

446
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: airline ticket home, because when you're discharged from the military,

447
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 3: airlines discharge paper they'll fly you home. So he knew

448
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 3: that He's like, fly me home on the way to

449
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 3: the plane, no metal detectors to pass through. Yeah, it's

450
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 3: a new technology has not been installed in Saint Louis.

451
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, thank you for your service on this exactly, sir.

452
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: They're not going to look twice.

453
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 3: He gives his ticket boards the plane, takes his seat

454
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: three rows from the rear of the plane. He calmly

455
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 3: enjoys the flight. Oh, look at this above the clouds.

456
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 3: I'll have the oysters trink about a half hour befo

457
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 3: or the flight was set to land until he gets up,

458
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 3: goes to the bathroom, wants to freshen up, takes his

459
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: briefcase with him. He pulls out on his brown shaggy

460
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: wig makes him look kind of like it be slid

461
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 3: on a pair of sunglasses aviators. His disguise now complete,

462
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: He pulled out his sawd off rifle, stepped out with

463
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 3: the laboratory, walks up to the flight attendant, hands her

464
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 3: a note. Flight attendant looks sound at the note. The

465
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: rifle goes, oh Lord, takes the note to the cockpit.

466
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: Few tense minutes now passed.

467
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: Why why wouldn't he wear the wig the whole time?

468
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 2: Because everyone's seen him sitting next to him is like

469
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: this clean cut. Then he comes back it's like Jimmy Shaggle.

470
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 3: I think he's something that he'd be not memorable up

471
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 3: to that point. And then once he has the gun,

472
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: people are paying attention and they're like, I don't remember

473
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 3: there was some guy maybe right, I don't know that

474
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: that's how I read it, but I don't know. So

475
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: McNally he's sitting there now, waiting in his seat with

476
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: the wig on the glasses, the gun, and he's in

477
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: there calling what she what she telling the pilot's right.

478
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: Minutes go by, and he's like, and all of a

479
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: sudden he hears the pilot on the plane's intercomments, oh,

480
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: lightiest and gentlemen, we have a passenger who needs to

481
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: return to Saint Louis, so we're gonna be returning. Based

482
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: on all the details he could pull from the newspaper accounts,

483
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 3: McNally had followed dB Cooper's skyjacking to the jot and

484
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: tittle He had upped at the ransom amount though that's

485
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: the big Everything else is exactly what D. B. Cooper

486
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 3: had done, right down to the note.

487
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: Right, it's a cola exactly McNally he had uped it

488
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 2: to a half million dollars.

489
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a little more nicola. But anyway, he had

490
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: one other request. He wanted two thousand dollars in small bills.

491
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: Oh, I want to make a rain well.

492
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 3: Exactly good call. He planned to tip the flight attendance.

493
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: Oh, how good of him. Right, you got it. You

494
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: gotta juice people out. When are you doing these things?

495
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: I am a big fan of tipping, except for what

496
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: they've done lately. Oh my god, Now I gotta like

497
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 3: tip the guy at the weed store.

498
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: That is true.

499
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: The dude, you hit buttons. You hit three more buttons

500
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: than I did.

501
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got to give you ten. Any like

502
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: you go to a bakery counter and they just cand

503
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: it to you and then all of a sudden they

504
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 2: flip that screen around and then the pressure's on. And

505
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: I want everyone to like me totally.

506
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: I know you.

507
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: That's all I care about. And so when they're staring

508
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 2: at me.

509
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: The bakery, they did something. They baked the baked good.

510
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: Start didn't do anything other than show up.

511
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 2: Maybe they grew it.

512
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: No, they don't do anything. Okay, they do some warehousing

513
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: and some manual internet putting it on the stonech like people.

514
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: Who do something like when you stay in a hotel,

515
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: you have got to leave a tip.

516
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm a big believer, must do it. But now we're

517
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: changing tip culture. We're allowed. I don't think people are

518
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: going to be tipping the way they should because they

519
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 3: could become innured to it because they're being asked all

520
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: the time.

521
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: That's what I got it. You gotta duke the people

522
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: who need it exactly, you know, and everyone else like

523
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: you just ring me up a cashier somewhere. I'm sorry

524
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: for your troubles. I've had that job. It's terrible.

525
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: But like plenty of customer service where tips like you know,

526
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: Barissa jobs and stuff right done that. I appreciated the

527
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: tips I tip. Barisa's all yeah, but they're once again

528
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: doing something. There is a service. The week I they

529
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: didn't do anything.

530
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 2: He really hung up on the week, especially because when

531
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: they flip that thing around and it's like eighteen percent,

532
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: You're like, that's four hundred dollars.

533
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about here? I'm not

534
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: buying you a.

535
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: Car tire here, you move weight at the week I

536
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: buy too much.

537
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: So anyway to the pilots they decide to do is

538
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: instructed because you know they got the note. It's very clear.

539
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: They turn around, they land the plane.

540
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: And say how current and up to date are like,

541
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: let's talk tipping culture. That's a little you know, just

542
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: a little juicy current events on the.

543
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: Side, trying to you know, sidetrack a little.

544
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: Hair for you. It feels cool, It feels like a

545
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: morning show morning.

546
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: Actually, so at this point in our story, right, we

547
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: have it's about four pm on Friday afternoon, all right,

548
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: the airport is getting busy at this point, and now

549
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: there's a hijacked plane far into the airfield clogging up everything.

550
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 3: Now he tells the airlines that he has a bomb

551
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: on board the plane and that any attempts to storm

552
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: the plane will result in a huge explosion and a

553
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 3: major loss of life. Right the negotiations with the airlines,

554
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: it lasts for an hour. FBI gets called in. Flight

555
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 3: attendants are taking McNally's demands to the cockpit. The pilots

556
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: convey his latest demands to the big tower. The tower

557
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: then calls back with any updates. Then they give them

558
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: note to the attendant. She walks back down the aisle

559
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: to the back of the plane. Can single exchanges.

560
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: You're next to him. Your seat is next to him,

561
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? No, I would, because you're overhearing

562
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 2: all the back and forth. Like the rest of the

563
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: plane probably doesn't know about the school. He says he

564
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: has a bomb.

565
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't think he'd have a bomb unless he seemed political.

566
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: But if he tells them he has a bomb, and

567
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm sitting next to him and I hear him say,

568
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: the rest of the plane probably doesn't.

569
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: Know that, I wouldn't believe him.

570
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you see him politically, if he's like.

571
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: A ransom guy, my go I don't believe You're not

572
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: going to blow yourself up.

573
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: And be like he looks. He looks shady, looks like

574
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: a hippie.

575
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: I'd have to call that bluff. But and then I

576
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: feel bad for everybody else if I was wrong, So

577
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do anything. I would act normal for everybody

578
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: else's benefit. But if I was alone on that plane,

579
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 3: I'm calling the bluff anyway. So he have negotiators going

580
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: back and forth. The fbis have now involved right the

581
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 3: fight attendants that are running the messages, and after an

582
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: hour of this, McNally shows that he will be considerate,

583
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: He will be kind. He doesn't basically an active kindness, Elizabeth.

584
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: He shows that he is a good faith negotiator. He

585
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: lets eighty passengers off the plane. No good, Yeah, it's

586
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: totally nice of the vast majority of the people. Who

587
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: has to be the worst, Yes, everybody. He only keeps

588
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: a small handful, right.

589
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: All the children, just the kids.

590
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: Bad man. So the FBI is it to this point.

591
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: They tell the skyjacker, hey man, we're working on your money.

592
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 3: But at this point it's like past bankers hours. It's

593
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: passed five pm on a Friday. Half million dollars is

594
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: going to be hard to go and gather. So McNally's like,

595
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, I call hijinks. They're like, oh, man,

596
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: come on. He's like nope, plane pilots take off and

597
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: this is we're leaving. So he makes them fly away.

598
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: So he's convinced now while he's still negotiating with the

599
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: tower that they can go and get the money in

600
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: Dallas Fort Worth. He's like, I got like a time,

601
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: do more money. I'm gonna fly and pick up a

602
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: little time and you guys work on it, and they're like, okay, yeah,

603
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: we think we can do that. Then McNally. They cannot

604
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: raise the money in Dallas fast enough, so he's like,

605
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: oh wait, go back to Saint Louis. And now the

606
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: plane flies back lands again in Saint Louis.

607
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: He wants that Budweiser money.

608
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: Exactly good ab money. So it's nine pm on a

609
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: Friday night. At this point, plane touches back down in

610
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: Saint Louis. McNally informs the FBI agents, I have new demands.

611
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: He wants not one, not two, but five parachutes. He

612
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: also wants a good shovel, not one of them bs shovels.

613
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: I want a good shovel. Yeah, and a pair of

614
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: flight goggles like I've seen in the movies.

615
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 4: Right.

616
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: The FBI is like, okay, okay, give us time. So

617
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: it turns out the FBI agents they weren't stalling. They

618
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: legitimately went out and located a good shovel, a pair

619
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: of fly goggles, the whole thing. Right, The money finally arrives,

620
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: so now they got the half million dollars. They put

621
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: in a heavy canvas air mail bag, and they put

622
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: in the two grand and cash like in an envelope,

623
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: a little separate parcel for him. And then he's like,

624
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: you know, everything's golden on this okay cool, But he's like, great,

625
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: I got one more, one more demand. They're like, oh

626
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: my god, are you for real? What do you want here?

627
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: Hungry and he's like, no, no, no, I need someone

628
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: to show me how to put on a parachute.

629
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: So send off a parachute guy. He's asked for five

630
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: of them? Is he like me? He's like, well, if

631
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: one's good, five is better pretty much.

632
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: So the f guy's like, here's our chance. So they

633
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 3: send an FBI field agent onto the plane as a

634
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: parachute instructor. Right McNally though. He's ready for him, so

635
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: he stays at the back of the plane with his

636
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: like mayor's leg forty five aimed down the aisle and

637
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: he's like, show me down there, and he goes, oh, okay,

638
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: the FBI guy and basically shows him how to put

639
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: on a parachute. I'm a comfortable distance. He gets all

640
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: strapped in. He's like, oh cool, go get off the

641
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: plane now, and there's o the FBI guy has to

642
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: get off the plane. No funny business, right, Why did he.

643
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: Say something like well this actually takes two people to do,

644
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: or you.

645
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Something midnight on is we're now at midnight McNally. He

646
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: lets thirteen more hostages off the plane. They're like, hey,

647
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: I gotta go to go to the bathroom and back hurts, right,

648
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, of course I'm not. I'm not a jerk. Right.

649
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: He keeps just one hostage. Oh that part right, the

650
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: two flight attendants, then the two pilots and the navigator. Right,

651
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: so the air crew, the tendans, flight attendants and one hostage.

652
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: What's up with that one hostage? Were they just a jerk?

653
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 3: Or were they had good conversations, they had good stories.

654
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: He's like, I like this guy, or is it I

655
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: hate this guy?

656
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

657
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they kept the one right. So at this point,

658
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: the skyjacking is national news.

659
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

660
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: Inside the airport, people are watching what's happening on the

661
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: tarmac on the news. So eventually one guy, this dude

662
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: named David Hanley, he's like, I'm gonna go be the hero.

663
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh.

664
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: Hanley strolls over to his nineteen seventy one Cadillac El

665
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: Dorado fires that bad boy to life. Meanwhile, at this

666
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: same point McNally's jet has now been refueled. He's received

667
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: his ransom money, he's been shown how a parachute works.

668
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: He's ordered the pilots to take back off. Now there's

669
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: nothing that can stop him, right, except for perhaps a Cadillac.

670
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: So Hanley aims his Cadillac at the gate to the tarmac,

671
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: punches it.

672
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: Boom.

673
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: This pride of the Detroit assembly line gets up to

674
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: about eighty miles an hour. He goes right through that

675
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: gate like a wrecking fence flies open. Plane is now

676
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: on the tarmac headed for the runway taxiing for its takeoff.

677
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: David Hanley sees this. He's careening his Caddy across the tarmac,

678
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: avoiding like baggage handlers. Punches it again, floors it to

679
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: try to catch up to the plane, which is now

680
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: on the runway taxi heading down for the sky. Right

681
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: captain of the hijack plane sees the Cadillac headed right

682
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: for him, directly at him. He's playing chicken now with

683
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: a Cadillac Eldorado. He shouts over the plane's intercom to

684
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: the skyjacker, Oh my god, there's a vehicle on the runway.

685
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: Hanley braces for impact inside the Cadillac because he's about

686
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: to hit a bow. In seven twenty seven, So the

687
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: pilot braces for the impact, about to get hit by

688
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: a Cadillac. So the Cadillac slams into the landing gear

689
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: of the plane. The nosewheel takes the full brunt of

690
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: the Cadillac inside the plane. McNally gets thrown forward underneath

691
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: the plane. The Cadillac caroms off that first landing gear

692
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: and then crashes into the port side wings. Landing gear

693
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: hits the other landing Boom boom. Plane now slows toill

694
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: a stop. The Cadillac is wadged up against the landing gear.

695
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: Luckily for everyone involved, the fully loaded jet with jet

696
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: fuel did not explode. That was the one good thing

697
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: that happened. McNally yells, get me another plane. So while

698
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: he and the hostages wait inside the plane, the ambulance

699
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: comes out onto the runway extricates David Hanley from his

700
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: now wrecked Cadillac Eldorado.

701
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: Just a random guy.

702
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the hero. He broke multiple ribs, had

703
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: a fractured skull, broke his jaw in two places. He

704
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: had a broken left arm and a broken left ankle.

705
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: A year later, the Associated Press they found David Hanley.

706
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: They're like man, Elizabeth Dutton in the future would like

707
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: to know what were you? And I have an answer

708
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: for you. And they're like, man, because you were you drunk?

709
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: What was going on? Hanley tells the AP reporter, My

710
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: mind is a blank from six o'clock that night. Two

711
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: weeks later, so the AP then, okay, well, you know

712
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: there's been reports about what went on, and they you

713
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: know the reports are you spent Friday afternoon at a

714
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: cocktail lounge near the airport watching the news. In fact,

715
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: you told your drinking friends in the bar that you

716
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: were about to quote go shock the world. Uh, Hanley said,

717
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: it never happened. And he said, and I quote, if

718
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: I was there, then any friends who were with me

719
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: were a bunch of slucks. No one has come to

720
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: me and said, David, I was with you that night

721
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: and this is what you said. I have never heard

722
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: the term sluck. I looked it up, could not find

723
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: a definition except for in Scott's. In Scott's it's a

724
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: word it means to gulp noisily, like slurping with gulps. Yeah,

725
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: so that kind of makes sense in this context. Is

726
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: basically slucks are a bunch of loud gulpers.

727
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: I think he's been miss hearing schmucks his whole life

728
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: and he just or they mistyped it in the transcription.

729
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: It sucks. I don't know. Yeah, slicks, wow, no, no, no,

730
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: I thought about the typo.

731
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: But you can just see this though of him at

732
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: an airport Bard Jason.

733
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: Jason cocktail loud. Yeah, Oh my god. So ninety minutes

734
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: after this, the Saint Louis Airport, and I had a

735
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: new plane ready for McNally to hijack.

736
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: Are there no possible moments where they could just pick

737
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: this dude off from a sniper tower.

738
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: You get off the plane and get on the new plane.

739
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: You have exactly your moment, Elizabeth, I mean, did you

740
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: just jumped the gun.

741
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: I feel like they've already been had like four moments

742
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: where I could have totally under the window, like stopped

743
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: this whole thing.

744
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: You you're reasonable. So the Boeing seven to twenty seven,

745
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: the new one gets loaded up, a gas pulled up

746
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 3: on the tarmac. Now McNally has to get from one

747
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: plane to the other without being picked off by snipers.

748
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: So he's like future Elizabeth Duddon, I'd like you to

749
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: know my plan. His plan was, I'm gonna sandwich myself

750
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: between these two flight attendants, putting the briefcass on my head,

751
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: and move real quick. And that's what he did. He

752
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: shuttled himself, boarded the second plane, got the flight crew

753
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: on board with his one civilian hostage, and then said

754
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: we ride so.

755
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Boom according to them, though there he said there was

756
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: a bomb on the original plane. Yeah exactly, so he doesn't.

757
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: He's still got his briefcase, so he's got to be

758
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: bluffing that it's in the briefcase. Yeah. So anyway, so

759
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: now that they're on the second plane, McNally ordered the

760
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: pilot to take off and to head to Toronto. Coincidentally,

761
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: that flight path would take him over his old hometown

762
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: of Detroit, which is all part of his plan. So

763
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 3: he'd done all the necessary calculations on paper. He'd worked

764
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: out when he'd need to jump out of a plane

765
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: and what airspeed so his parachute wouldn't be torn to

766
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: tatters by the wind shear forces. So at four am,

767
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: McNally has now readied himself for his jump. He's pulled

768
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: off his hippie wig and his sunglasses. He's strapped on

769
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: his parachute harness. The plane is cruising at an altitude

770
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: of about ten thousand feet, just above the low, thick

771
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: white clouds that night. McNally. He can't see the ground right.

772
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: There's a problem with this because there's a big thing

773
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: called Lake Michigan. He does not want to land in

774
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: the middle of Lake Michigan with a parachute. That would

775
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: be dead right. So he's like, okay, I probably Well,

776
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: basically he's going to jump early. I'll just cut right

777
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: to it. I met. The dude's gonna jump early. So

778
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: the plane at this point is still over Indiana. When

779
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: he decided it was time to bail, he took up

780
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: his money bag and his shovel, and when he landed,

781
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: his plan was that he would bury the money and

782
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: then come back for it later. So he needs a shovel.

783
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: We forgot about the shovel. He was running across the

784
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: tarmac with a show.

785
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: With a shovel too. Yeah, in one hand, briefcase the

786
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: gun Carrio probably maybe. So he waddles to the back

787
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: of the plane. He opens the door, lowers the stairwell

788
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: just like debe Cooper did. He scoots down the stairway,

789
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: his butt hitting on each step. Right, He's been on

790
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: the plane at this point, or one plane or another,

791
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: for eleven hours. He's got to be starving. Yeah, And

792
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: despite the nut job in the Cadillac playing chicken with

793
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: the first plane, he's now managed to get his half

794
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: million dollars and to get away with it. All right.

795
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: He's twenty eight years old, small time criminal. All he

796
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: has left to do is to just chep off and

797
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: jump into the sky. He tossed his way through the

798
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: open door. It whipped away, gone right. He threw the

799
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: rest of his disguise clothes out of the open door.

800
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: He tossed out his rifle, smoke bombs. Now he's unarmed.

801
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: The single hostage watching McNally. You take his canvas bag

802
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: with the half million dollars. He's sitting there. He's gotta

803
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: be wondering, is this boy gonna jump her?

804
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

805
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: Right, yeah?

806
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 3: And the boy, you know McNally, he's got to be wondering,

807
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: am I gonna jump her down? And then suddenly the

808
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: dude gets his answer. Mark McNally stepped out into the

809
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: sky and disappeared. He was about ten thousand feet above

810
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: the earth, traveling at at a few hundred miles an

811
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: hour now about three hundred miles, the same speed the

812
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 3: plane that he just left was going. All he needed

813
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: to do was successfully land. Elizabeth. Will take a little

814
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: break and after this I'll tell you if he lands

815
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: or not. Oh boy, hey, Elizabeth, Hi, you want to

816
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: hear the rest of the.

817
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: Story after those ads? Yeah, I do so.

818
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: Something I forgot to tell you about all of this.

819
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: Martin McNally, who's about to jump off into the sky. Actually,

820
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: you know I just said he did. This is his

821
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: first jump ever with a parachute. He's never touched a parachute.

822
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: Prior to this.

823
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: All of what everything he does on paper calculation.

824
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: She had to ask that man to show him how

825
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: to put a parachutely.

826
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: But you know, it wasn't like he was in the

827
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: military and he's like, oh, these are newer than the

828
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: ones we had. He's never jumped out of a plane.

829
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: So what do you think happened? Do you think he

830
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: made it?

831
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, well because he was in prison with the

832
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: other guy.

833
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: All right, good good.

834
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, he's a hole in the ground.

835
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: He's a pancake. Well, I'll answer the question fully, Elizabeth.

836
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: But to do that I'd like you to close your eyes,

837
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: and I'd like you to picture it. Elizabeth. You are

838
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: aboard a Bowling seven twenty seven. The rear door is open,

839
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: the wind whips through the cabin. The sound of the

840
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 3: jets hum and throb in the turbulent air. At the moment,

841
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: some lunatic is on the rear stairway, holding onto the

842
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: plane by his hands as his body flaps in the

843
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: wind generated by the plane's air speed. He's going about

844
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: three hundred miles an hour. Unfortunately, you are the unlucky

845
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: spider that decided to take a nap in a canvas

846
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: airmail bag, which is what then later turned into a

847
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: money bag for the lunatic skyjacker. Now you are still

848
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: in that same canvas air mail bag, the one that's

849
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: currently strapped to the aforementioned a lunatic. What you don't

850
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: know is there's a military surveillance plane shadowing the Boeing

851
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: seven twenty seven from above. The FBI agents are also

852
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: watching this skyjacker to see his next move. That is,

853
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: if he'll jump. You know the answer to that. Before

854
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: they do he does, he lets go up the plane.

855
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: You and the canvas airmail bag go with him. Suddenly

856
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: it's silent, well not exactly silent. There's the rush of

857
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: wind as you and the lunatic skyjacker plummet to earth.

858
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: You hear Martin McNally whimper as the flight goggles are

859
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: crushed against his eye holes from the air pressure and

860
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: the shear of the wind speed. Then he kind of

861
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: yelps when the flight goggles are pulled clean off his head.

862
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: You can feel his heart beat through the thick canvas

863
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: airmail bag. He seems to be panicking. He lets one

864
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: arm up his body, perhaps to gain some sense of direction.

865
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: It has the opposite effect. He starts to spin violently.

866
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 3: You and he get whipped around you in the canvas

867
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: airmail bag. Him in the wind. You have to climb

868
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: up towards the opening to keep from getting crushed by

869
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: the half million dollars in cash. Meanwhile, McNally is mentally

870
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: calculating how long he's been in the air and if

871
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: he's reached terminal velocity. That was based on calculations he

872
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: did earlier at home, But now he's in the sky

873
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: and his math ain't mathing. He knows he can't pull

874
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 3: the rip card too early, or the wind shear will

875
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: tear those silk to ribbons, and he'll plummet and land

876
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: in a painful sweat. But he'd have to pull the

877
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: rip card eventually. You can hear him counting out loud

878
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: the seconds as they tick pass, and then he rips

879
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: the cord, but he never pulled his arm back into

880
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: center mass. When the parachute unfurls from the chest harness,

881
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: it slams into McNally's face as he starts to spin.

882
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: The parachute also comes out of a somewhat force. He's

883
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: momentarily dazed. He quickly recovers. You hear him desperately grabbing

884
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: a tether ropes twisting above him. Somehow he manages to

885
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: yank on the correct ones in a way that the

886
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: parachute fills with air and the canopy opens. He and

887
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: the chute slow down their descent, but the sudden yank

888
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 3: of the parachute and the abrupt change in falling speed

889
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 3: separates the canvas airmail bag from McNally. You've climbed to

890
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: the top of the bag. You look up and you

891
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: see the man in the parachute above you. McNally looks

892
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: down at you, and the canvas airmail bag grows smaller

893
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: and smaller as you plummet to the earth. You can

894
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: barely see the white canopy of the parachute anymore. Wind

895
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: is rushing past you. It's getting smaller and smaller in

896
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: the sky. You and a half million dollars are on

897
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: your own now. And then you and the canvas airmail

898
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: bag slam into soft soil. You've landed in a beanfield,

899
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: and you're unharmed, Elizabeth, Way to go, spider, all right,

900
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: and you're five hundred thousand dollars richer if you could

901
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: find someone to help you move this canvas bag of cash.

902
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: All right, Elizabeth, So money hits MCNEI. Where did he land?

903
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 3: Totally different beanfield, the exactly. There's a little war going

904
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: on over there. With a much softer landing. Though he

905
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: hits and boom, he landed safely back on solid ground.

906
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: The idiot did it? The I can't right. He jumped

907
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: out of a plane first time ever, manages to get

908
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: back without dying. But he dropped the money. The reason

909
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: why he did all of this. After the two planes,

910
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: the crash caddy, the FBI snipers, he beats it all

911
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: and then he dropped drops the.

912
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: Money, and there's really no way for it. I mean,

913
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: it's gonna be so difficult, if impossible, to figure out

914
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: where it landed for his perspective.

915
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: Oh, because not only did he drop the money, he

916
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: also knocked himself out when his head slammed into the

917
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: hard earth when he landed. So he's just unconsciously in

918
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: the field. Actually he comes to right, no money, no hope,

919
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: no jobs.

920
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: And this is like four in the morning, right, Yes, I.

921
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: Mean he's got basically concussion stars dancing in his eyes.

922
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: That's the only wealth he sees. And all he has

923
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: on him in his pocket is three hundred dollars. That's

924
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 3: what he walked onto the plane with. So he can

925
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: dogs barking in the distance, and he realizes he's in

926
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: a farmer's field. The sun's gonna be coming up soon.

927
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: He's gonna need to get himself gone right, So he

928
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: pulls himself to his feet, gathers up his parachute like

929
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: he's a World War Two bomber pilot who's just been

930
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: shot down in enemy territory. He's grabbing it all together.

931
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: He trudges across the muddy field, climbs over a barbed

932
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: wire fence, his body at this point is now giving

933
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: out on him. Right.

934
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: He lays the parachute out and then lays down atop

936
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: it and takes a long nap.

937
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: He probably has a concussion totally.

938
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: He knocked himself, silly ye. A couple hours later he

939
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: comes to the birds now a little bit after dawn

940
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: have begun to sound. He awakes the sun on his face.

941
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: He knows that his white silk parachute will be spotted

942
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: in the daylight, so he gathers it up again, buries

943
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: it in the nearby woods under a pile of leaves

944
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: and a bunch of branches, and then he climbs back

945
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: inside his new now makeshift sleeping bag, and he sleeps

946
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: for another six hours or so. Oh wow, definitely concussion.

947
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

948
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: Next time he wakes up, it's due to the sound

949
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 3: of a helicopter overhead. He hears hound dogs in the distance.

950
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: Obviously there is a search party and they are close.

951
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

952
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 3: McNally decided his best option. I'm gonna lay low. I'm

953
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: gonna hope that the dogs don't detect me. He lays

954
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: there in the leaf covered parachute sleeping bag and just

955
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: praise I guess I don't know if you put it,

956
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: but he's just sitting there by himself. Darkness returns to

957
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: the land. Elizabeth McNally wow comes out of his hiding spot,

958
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: pulls up his parachute, buries it into the earth for

959
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: good this time, cleans himself up, walks back into civilization.

960
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: That hounds didn't get them, No, they didn't.

961
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: Finally, in the long distance, he spies a glow of lights. Right,

962
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: maybe it's a small midwestern the city. He still doesn't

963
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: know where he is, so he comes to a two

964
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: lane road and he follows that, headed toward the glow

965
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: of lights. In the distance, cars are passing them by trucks.

966
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: They all seem to have Indiana license plates. He's like, okay,

967
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: it must be Indian Indiana. Finally a car pulls over stops.

968
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: The driver asks, oh, you need a ride. Mcnowly's like

969
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: worn out, he's beaten up. He's like, yeah, he was right,

970
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: thank you. He climbs in. The driver is the chief

971
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: of police of Peru, Indiana. Stop it with his wife.

972
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's too good.

973
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: The police chief's name is Richard Blair.

974
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: Right, he has to know that something's gone.

975
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: He knows all about the man hunt. He's just that's

976
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: what he's been doing all day. So he and his

977
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: wife are on their way home, but they see this

978
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: young man out and alone, and the wife's like, oh, honey,

979
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: we should pick him up, and the CoP's like, yeah,

980
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: we should. McNally he's got forged documents on him, right,

981
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 3: So he shows him to the chief of the police right,

982
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: and interestingly, I don't know why he forged his Michigan

983
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: driver's license with his brother's name, Patrick McNally. Oh, he

984
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: didn't change, just Patrick McNally, right, So please chief it.

985
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: He asked, what's this guy, young man doing on a

986
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: farm road alone late at night?

987
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

988
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 3: Had he been in an accident? Was there something going on?

989
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: Mcnowly's like, oh, no, it's my brother earlier and uh,

990
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: you know, we got dumb drunk, and then you know

991
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: how it is, we got into a fight. My brother

992
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: drove off all angry, and I walked in the other direction.

993
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: I don't know where I am. The CoP's like, okay,

994
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: well I can give you a ride to Peru and

995
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: he's like, oh yeah, I got all my way home.

996
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: Oh thanks man, it's great, right cop. I don't know

997
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: how much he believes it right. But McNally he manages

998
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 3: to get all the way into town.

999
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: Right.

1000
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: The police chiefs must have been pretty suspicious because I

1001
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: told you there is the manhunt. He was part of it.

1002
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: He'd asked McNally had he heard about it. He's like, hey,

1003
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: have you heard about this? We got a big man

1004
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: hunt right now? The skyjacker jumped out of a plane.

1005
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: And mcnowly's like, oh man, that'd be great. Couldn't you

1006
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: believe it? I would have loved to find the skyjacker's

1007
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 3: bag of money.

1008
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: Oh, so the chief player, he's like, okay.

1009
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: He drops to McNally off at a motel in Preue, Indiana.

1010
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: The motel is right across the street from police headquarters.

1011
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: He's like, I'll keep it eye on you exactly. So

1012
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: McNally checks in, gets a room. Motel clerk gives him

1013
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 3: the once over and says, you aren't the skyjacker, are you?

1014
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: Mc now He jokes the question away again. He's like no,

1015
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: but I sure wish I was right. And he's like,

1016
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: I bet that guy's far away by now. Motel clerk.

1017
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: She seems satisfied.

1018
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: I wish I had that bag of money.

1019
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: Now he asks like, hey, there's a local diner around here.

1020
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: I am starving. So he walks over and gets himself

1021
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: a burger. Right, Preu, Indiana not a big town. Yeah, So,

1022
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: as we've covered for small town folks, a little suspicious,

1023
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: a little bit curious, the locals in Peru, Indiana no different.

1024
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: They gave McNally the hard eye stare of the entire meal.

1025
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: After he eats, he gets up, he's like, okay. Everyone's like, well.

1026
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: And does he have like two black guys?

1027
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: Oh? He's all kinds of beating up right, he's the goggles,

1028
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: he's got all cuts, scrapes.

1029
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1030
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: So he's trying to lay low back at the hotel room,

1031
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: but his mind is racing, right, so he calls. He's like, oh,

1032
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: I wonder what's up in my accomplice, pet Lakowski. I

1033
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: wonder what he's doing. He's gotta be freaking out. Oh,

1034
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's double cross me, right, because he's

1035
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: wondering if pet Lakowski thinks he's screwed him out of

1036
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: his cut and he's gonna go and get his revenge

1037
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: by flipping on him. So he goes to a payphone.

1038
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: He calls pet Lakowski. No answer. Then he has to

1039
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: go back to his hotel room. He turns on the

1040
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: motel TV. The police at this point have released a

1041
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: sketch of the skyjacker. It's a man with sunglasses, aviator

1042
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: sunglasses and a mop of shaggy hair like a hippie.

1043
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, it work.

1044
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: It didn't look much like McNally, so he's feeling a

1045
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: little relaxed at this point. The next day, he goes

1046
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 3: back to the payphone. He calls his accomplice again. Nothing right.

1047
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: The motel at this point is crawling with FBI agents

1048
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 3: because they've also booked rooms in the exact same hotel

1049
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: across the street from the police station. Yeah, so they're

1050
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: all there at the Peru Motor Lodge together. So he

1051
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 3: walks back into his payphone again. See if can call Petlakowski.

1052
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: He's got to pass FBI agents and they're all giving

1053
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: him the stink eye. He's trying to play it cool.

1054
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: He makes it to the phone again. He calls again,

1055
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: no answer. He's like a next day, he has to

1056
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 3: do it all over again. He's got to go pass

1057
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: all the FBI field agents. He's trying to play it cool.

1058
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: He gets it. He calls his accomplice. This time Petlakowski

1059
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: picks up and the guy says, oh, hey, man, I

1060
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: thought you were dead, Elizabeth. All my life I've wanted

1061
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: a small time criminal to tell me I thought you

1062
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: were dead. If he's just like a dream, you know, anyway,

1063
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: he lived my dream, the compless tells the man, I

1064
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: got bad news for you. McNally. The cops they found

1065
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: the money bag. He's like, damn right. It landed in

1066
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: a beanfield not too far from where he hit, and

1067
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: the old bean farmer went out that morning finds it.

1068
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: He sees the bag, and he goes. He does the

1069
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: right thing. He calls into the police. And by the

1070
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: right thing, I of course mean the wrong thing. He

1071
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: calls into the police or reports the money half million dollars.

1072
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: You know that that is the at the time the

1073
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: Guinness Book World record for the most money ever turned

1074
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: in by a good samaritan. I'm not in the book. Yes,

1075
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 3: So the accomplished Pelakowski he high tails it to Peru

1076
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 3: because he's like, we need to get you out of there.

1077
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: The cops, the FBI agents, they're still all over Peru

1078
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: because mcnowly's sawed off rifle was found where he had

1079
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: stashed it. When the cops drew game and picked him up,

1080
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: he ditched his rifle at that point, so the cops

1081
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: find it. They're like, he's got to be pretty close.

1082
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1083
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: Petlakowski manages to get into town safely, grab McNally, retrieve

1084
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: him without any FBI agents stopping them. They make it

1085
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: out of town.

1086
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

1087
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: Yes, And then they get back to Detroit. The FBI

1088
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: is waiting at mcnowe's house. He was a person of interest.

1089
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: His Robert Wilson discharge papers were easily connected to him

1090
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: because all he forged was the name. Everything else had

1091
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: all the identifying detail. They were They just went to

1092
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: the naval records like this guy. And also not only that,

1093
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: two small time crooks in Detroit who he had told

1094
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: about his plan flipped on for the reward money instantly

1095
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: because he's a dummy. So McNally gets arrested right outside

1096
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 3: of his house. He doesn't even get a step inside

1097
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: from a shower. Yeah. So he gets charged with air piracy,

1098
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: which at that time was punishable by death. Really like

1099
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: it was the Navy, Like the British Navy came up

1100
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: with the law. It was like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna kill.

1101
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: You piracy when you use the word piratecy.

1102
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: The air piracy was punishable by death. So McNally he

1103
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 3: gets lucky on that score because just before he goes

1104
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: to trial, the Supreme Court issued a moratorium on the

1105
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: death penalty. Saved by that, so his trial speedy, just

1106
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: like the Constitution would have wanted. He's found guilty, sentenced

1107
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: to thirty years in federal prison. As soon as he's inside,

1108
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: he starts looking for a way to escape. And this

1109
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: is where things get wild because in Levenworth Prison he

1110
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: meets fellow skyjacker Garrett brock Trapnel. He was the one

1111
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: that I told just knock with a fake arm cap,

1112
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: I tried to hijack a plane. The FBI storm on

1113
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: the plane. He gets caught right now. If you remember

1114
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: from his story, as he told Jim, he planned to

1115
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: escape with his girlfriend who's on the outside. Well, he

1116
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 3: and McNally got along like two bugs in a rug.

1117
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: So he's like, you should be part of my skyjacker packed.

1118
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: Let's do McNally said, and I quote at one point

1119
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: we made a commitment to each other. If I ever

1120
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: got out, I would skyjack a plane to get him out,

1121
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: or he would skyjack a plane to get me out.

1122
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: Their skyjacker brotherskyjacker.

1123
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: So the two men they get separated for a couple

1124
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 3: of years. Right as they shuffled through the federal prison system.

1125
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: They both wind up though in mary and Illinois when

1126
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 3: the federal prison system they introduced the new supermax prisoners.

1127
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: So they start putting all the guys there. These two skyjackers,

1128
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: they end up on the same sub block. Hey, he's

1129
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: like McNally, Hey, Trapnel the brother exactly, so it doesn't

1130
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: take him long to cook up their escape plan. Trapnel

1131
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: comes up with the method. He asked McNally and I quote,

1132
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: how would you like to leave this place in a helicopter?

1133
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: And obviously he's down for antics in the sky and

1134
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: there's like bet so carrat Rock Trapnel convinced his Armer

1135
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: Army staff sergeant girlfriend, Barbara Osweald, to hijack helicopter, force

1136
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: the pilot to fly them to prison, then pick up

1137
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: the guys and fly them all to safety. She had

1138
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: fallen in love with Garrett Rock Trapnel after she read

1139
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: his jailhouse memoir The Fox Is Crazy Too. The true

1140
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: story of Garrett Trapnel adventurer, Skyjacker Bank, Robert Conman lover.

1141
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: There's no need to even try and shop your books.

1142
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: I'm telling you do.

1143
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 2: You can't compete with time.

1144
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: And you immediately got a book exactly and you might

1145
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: even get a partner out of it. So after reading it,

1146
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: she wrote to Trapnel and the two struck up a relationship.

1147
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: She promised that she would help him escape and together

1148
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: they would leave America and move to his two thousand

1149
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: acre plantation that he told her he owned in Australia. Elizabeth,

1150
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: there was no plantation in Australia. That's what we in

1151
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 3: the imaginary real estate industry call a love. So the

1152
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 3: real plan was Oswald would hijack a helicopter break them out,

1153
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: then Trapnel McNally would ditch her and start robbing banks

1154
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: until they had enough money to go on the run

1155
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: and flee America together like Butch and Sunday Jack Jacker

1156
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: bros So. On May twenty fourth, nineteen seventy eight, McNally,

1157
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: Trapnel and another inmate. They're stalling for time in the

1158
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: prison yard because they know that the chopper should be

1159
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: coming in soon and waiting for Barbara Oswald. Right, McNally

1160
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: is the one to spot the chopper on its approach

1161
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: to the prison. It's like a Vietnam movie, and the

1162
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: chopper's on the distance, light up.

1163
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: LZ right and then like the either the Rolling Stones

1164
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 2: or the Supreme starts playing.

1165
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: So he signals to Trapnel it's time to go right.

1166
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: The chopper's getting closer and closer. The rotors begin to

1167
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 3: beat the air. Everyone can hear it now, then starts

1168
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: to kick up the loose dust and the dirt on

1169
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: the prison yard. The guards they are rushing around. They

1170
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: know this is a prison break. They start grabbing weapons.

1171
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: They're aiming them at the sky. It is obvious to

1172
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: everybody what's happening. McNally, Trapnel, the third inmate. They make

1173
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: their move. They rush over to where the helicopter's gonna be,

1174
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: and then they see it. A man jumps out of

1175
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: the chopper in a blue flight suit. He's an FBI agent.

1176
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: McNally's like, oh, he runs for it. He's gonna try

1177
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: to maybe just hop a fence. Trapnel just lays down

1178
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: in the grass and waits for guards to come over

1179
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: to him.

1180
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1181
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: The men now face new charges attempt to escape, new

1182
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: air piracy charges and kidnapping. Trapnel had a new plan.

1183
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: Barbara Oswald's teen daughter right would help them bust out. Yeah,

1184
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: she would hijack a plane and demand that the two

1185
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: skyjackers be released. So move on to the next part

1186
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: of their plan.

1187
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Family the checks together.

1188
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: December twenty first, nineteen seventy eight, the men arrive in

1189
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: court as co defendants for their trial. Good to her word,

1190
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: Oswald's team daughter Robin did indeed hijack a twa plane

1191
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: flying out of Louisville, Kentucky. She had on her a

1192
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: fake bomb made out of road flares. Travnel didn't trust

1193
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: her to use a real bomb or even a pistol,

1194
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: so he's like, yeah, to get some road flares, tell

1195
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: him it's a bomb. He was worried about people getting

1196
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 3: hurt by her. He's like, she's so, she's a teen,

1197
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't don't know what she's doing. She heard somebody,

1198
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 3: so she skyjacks the plane on its way to Kansas City.

1199
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: Right on a lunch break in their trial, McNally and Trapnel,

1200
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: they're smoking cigarettes and they're holding cell waiting to be

1201
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: released and transported to the local airport to join the

1202
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 3: teen skyjacker. They're just like, should be any minute now.

1203
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: So they never get released. Elizabeth because Robin Oswald gave

1204
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: up after nine hours. She's like, I don't want to

1205
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: do this anymore. Remember once again, teenager. So that same night,

1206
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: the jury returned a verdict in McNally in Trapmill's trial,

1207
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: guilty on all accounts. McNally received a second life sentence

1208
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: for air piracy, also seventy five years for kidnapping, another

1209
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: five years for attempted escape. He was scheduled to be

1210
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: released from prison in twenty eighty two. I've been like,

1211
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? So McNally eventually, because the American

1212
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 3: legal system, he earns parole. Hey, I don't know how

1213
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: he's facing all those They're like, let's just knock him down, right.

1214
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: That's why people say years. I'm like, none of this matters.

1215
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: This is like, this is like my economics math when

1216
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 3: I was in my twenties. I'm like, none of this matters.

1217
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: The bank says this is fraud. I don't know. You

1218
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: can't write a check to yourself. So anyway, as a

1219
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: mc nally said at the time, quote, I've come further

1220
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: than most people would reach. I never thought I would

1221
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: get out of prison. Very few people have had my opportunity,

1222
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: which is a very powerful understatement. Yeah, but Trapnell he's

1223
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: gone now, he's passed away. He died in prison. So

1224
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: McNally is the only one left from the golden era.

1225
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: He is the last of the skyjackers, because McNally puts it, quote,

1226
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 3: there's nobody else. I'm the last of the people who

1227
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: know the facts.

1228
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Huh.

1229
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: So, Elizabeth, I ask you, what's sorry ridiculous takeaway here?

1230
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I think that I can understand why there

1231
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: were so many skyjackings because it just seems so easy.

1232
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. And then they don't plan to hurt people,

1233
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: so it's a big bluff.

1234
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one bit exactly.

1235
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 3: Except for the political people. They will blow the stuff,

1236
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, like that's not they'll take you to Algeria

1237
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: or right.

1238
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but like for this the guys who want cash.

1239
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: It's just a bank job and the bank's and there.

1240
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Completely Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1241
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: I feel all right, it's the voice. Okay, Well, I'm

1242
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: just going to pretend like you're normal you and be like,

1243
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: thanks for asking, Elizabeth, because mine is the bean farmer.

1244
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: He found the money and decided to do the wrong thing,

1245
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: right thing, whatever. But if I had a half billion

1246
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: dollars right and it landed in my bean field from

1247
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: the heavens, I'm gonna say, the Lord works some mysterious ways,

1248
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: and I'm going to keep it moving. And that's it.

1249
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you figure you're living in a tiny town

1250
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: if you sit on it long enough, because if they

1251
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: have like the serial numbers recorded, like that's your concern, right,

1252
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: But if you start passing it in like two towns

1253
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: over because the local town though.

1254
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 3: South America, I would take a trip like, honey, we're

1255
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 3: going on our second honeymoon. We're going down the Brazil wash.

1256
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: Brazil's got it at this point. A dictatorship, We're good, baby.

1257
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 3: I can get this money through a bank. They will

1258
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: take any American money I bring into a bank and

1259
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: they won't say where it came from.

1260
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: I yeah, I would just figure out a way to

1261
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: wash it slowly but surely. But that you know, I'm

1262
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: not an ethical person.

1263
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: I say dictatorship, I really should say military government.

1264
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah I wouldn't. I wouldn't even go that far.

1265
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: County is over and see that's how you get busted.

1266
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: Though, Well, keep an eye on that area.

1267
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: But thanks are going to report to the federal banking system,

1268
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 3: so you want to get out of that.

1269
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: That is true, and I guess you go to casinos. Maybe, yes,

1270
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: casino casinos.

1271
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 3: That slows it down, but they still repose days.

1272
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: They're not reporting it as tightly.

1273
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: No, they're not reporting the time. That would be a

1274
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: good one. I think people still use casinos for watching.

1275
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Wait four years and then drive to Vegas.

1276
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, you didn't have to wait time.

1277
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: You have to separate at the time there. So I

1278
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: got another question for you. In the mood for a talkback.

1279
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm always in the mood for a talkback.

1280
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: Producer Dave hit It please, Oh my god.

1281
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: I love Hi Elizabeth Isaia, and my name is Danny.

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Speaker 4: I love your show. I've listened to every episode. I'm

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Speaker 4: a middle school theater teacher. And Elizabeth, this next part

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Speaker 4: is just for you. Don't let Saron hear this, okay, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 4: following up on my previous message, So this is some

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Speaker 4: makeup that was donated to my class for our theater

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Speaker 4: makeup unit. This is a Jurassic Park makeup line. Specifically,

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Speaker 4: I needed to read you the packaging on the quote

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Speaker 4: color changing lip balm. It says quote life finds a

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Speaker 4: way with this hybrid lip and cheek balm. Okay, So,

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Speaker 4: following up on previous message, this long wearing formula is

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Speaker 4: infused with hyaluronic acid to keep the skin nourished and

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Speaker 4: like a baby wraptor taking its first bite, just a

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Speaker 4: little bit packs a punch a buildable color payoff. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: I found that ridiculous. I thought you might too, and

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Speaker 4: you might want to try to spring it on Zarin sometime. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: love the podcast, Thank you for all the work you

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Speaker 4: all do.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what that's amazing. I can't do that justice, we

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Speaker 2: have to have it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, punch, I didn't say that though, No,

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Speaker 3: no one heard me say that. No, that's good.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: As always, you can find us online Ridiculous Crime on

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Speaker 3: the socials. We have that website that we are very

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Speaker 3: happy with and we hope you dig it too, ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Crime dot com. And of course, as you can tell,

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Speaker 3: iHeart app and hit us up. And also you can

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Speaker 3: email us if you like Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Type in dear Elizabeth and type whatever you like as always,

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Speaker 3: we will be back next Crime. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaron Burnette,

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Speaker 3: produced and edited by our resident headpilot Dave Kusti. Research

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Speaker 3: is by our copilots Marissa Brown and Andrea Songsharpentier. Our

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Speaker 3: theme song is by navigator Thomas Lee and radio operator

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Speaker 3: Travis Dutt. The host wardrobe provided by Botany five hundred.

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Speaker 3: Executive producers are your helpful flight attendants Ben Bowleen and

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Speaker 3: Old Brown.

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Speaker 2: Ridicous Crime Say.

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Speaker 4: It one More Time Ridiquious Crime.

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