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Speaker 1: Welcome to Big Book Kick Golf Live right here on

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Speaker 1: you gotta hate this time of year, Paul, It's been

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Speaker 1: such a quiet twenty four hours in the football league.

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Speaker 1: There's just not a whole lot to keep track of.

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Speaker 1: It used to be, John when I was growing up

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Speaker 1: as a kid, because baseball free agency had made its

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Speaker 1: mark much earlier than the National Football League did. You'll

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Speaker 1: remember back in the day when the Yankees went after

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Speaker 1: cat Face Shutter and Reggie Jackson. I don't remember either

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Speaker 1: of those, but that's okay. Sorry, that was before I

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Speaker 1: was born, but you can continue. It's okay. The point being,

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Speaker 1: in the mid seventies, Major League Baseball really kind of

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Speaker 1: put the fires into its hot stove league by having

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Speaker 1: superstar free agents signed with other teams, and of course

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Speaker 1: George Steinburner was at the lead of that whole group. Well,

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Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, eventually started to catch on and

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Speaker 1: years later when the new CBA decided that there was

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Speaker 1: going to be caps in free agency, it changed the

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Speaker 1: whole landscape of football. And now what we are seeing

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Speaker 1: is these kinds of explosive money grabbing headlines with players

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Speaker 1: going all over the place. And it's kind of funny

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Speaker 1: because the baseball free agency seems to have slowed down

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Speaker 1: now and football free agency seems to be the more

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Speaker 1: popular of the headline grabbers. Scarcity, Paul, I mean the

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Speaker 1: way they did the last c b A where you

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Speaker 1: can carry caps based from one year to the next,

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Speaker 1: which was a big change. The change I don't think

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Speaker 1: gets talked about quite enough. You have a lot more

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Speaker 1: teams that now have caps based every off season, and

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Speaker 1: the smart teams resigned their own players. You have the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag as well, that keeps some of the best

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Speaker 1: players off the free agent are getting Quite frankly, you

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Speaker 1: have more money than you have good players available on

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Speaker 1: the free agent market a lot of the time, so

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have people paying what they have to to

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Speaker 1: get players that they need to fill out their roster.

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Speaker 1: They need the way they need to fill out their roster, right,

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Speaker 1: so you take a look at it, and that's how

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Speaker 1: you get to where we are today. And of course

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Speaker 1: none of these deals out there are official. You're seeing

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Speaker 1: all of them. And this is when everybody just rolls

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Speaker 1: their eyes and says, oh, boy, that that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money for that guy. And you know, in two years,

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Speaker 1: I bet you they're gonna talk about cutting that guy

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Speaker 1: and things of that nature. But for some teams, depending

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Speaker 1: on where they are in terms of their development, teams

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Speaker 1: that are in more of a win now mode and

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Speaker 1: have Vetter, have a veteran quarterback that you know, or

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Speaker 1: or have the team already assembled that they think can

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Speaker 1: compete for a Super Bowl more specifically, moves like that

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Speaker 1: become worth it. For other teams maybe not so much. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the funny part about it is, and you'll

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Speaker 1: remember years ago, people talked about the Orioles of the Mets,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, best team that money could buy that couldn't win,

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Speaker 1: and then for a while there it seemed like the

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Speaker 1: Redskins were that team in the National Football League. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the best way to do this is still to grow

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Speaker 1: guys from inside and and that's not going to change. John.

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Speaker 1: Every once in a while, there'll be an admiration or

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Speaker 1: an outlier, if you will, where a team will spend

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Speaker 1: big money, like the Giants did when they went and

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Speaker 1: got three free agent defensive starters at the top of

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Speaker 1: the market three years ago, made the playoffs. But then

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Speaker 1: you see how quickly that band aid kind of falls

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Speaker 1: apart because that's still traditionally not the way you build

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Speaker 1: the team. And you're certainly not gonna get lasting power

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Speaker 1: when you go that way, because those numbers add up

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Speaker 1: on the credit card and they will come back and

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Speaker 1: where they are now and where they stand. So and

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Speaker 1: I know Giant fans a couple years ago are very

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Speaker 1: money of free agency, While, like I said, sometimes can

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Speaker 1: and it can make sense for certain teams, it can

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Speaker 1: be a very dangerous thing to do. And there's a

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Speaker 1: good teams aren't either. And look, that's not to say

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Speaker 1: does make sense for them. But after two seasons with

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans have a and I

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Speaker 1: get it, they have a supersense of urgency, like, well,

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Speaker 1: we gotta make a run now, Elies older, we gotta

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Speaker 1: do it now, we gotta do it now, we gotta

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Speaker 1: do it now. If you try to do too much

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Speaker 1: in one offseason too soon, yeah, you m get a

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Speaker 1: momentary bump in terms of where you're at right, But

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Speaker 1: five and eleven again because he didn't grow organically and

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Speaker 1: grow the way you're supposed to, Paul, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's the danger you get into when you're coming off

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Speaker 1: two seasons. The way the Giants have spending in free agency,

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Speaker 1: big time money on older players doesn't make a ton

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Speaker 1: of sense to me. That's why I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of medium players on shorter deals is probably the more

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Speaker 1: likely scenario we're going to see with the Giants. Well,

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Speaker 1: as I said yesterday, I do think the Giants probably

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Speaker 1: did try to go for one big strike. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with you. I'm with you on that,

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Speaker 1: who it might have been. I still think they probably did,

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Speaker 1: and they still might be in on some still they

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Speaker 1: have been unable to successfully complete a big strike. Having

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Speaker 1: said that, according to reports of course, right, That's why

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Speaker 1: I said, it seems like we don't exactly what the situation,

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Speaker 1: just making it clear. Now here's what I will say, though, John,

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Speaker 1: don't like that, because emotions often overruns Lodge Paul, this

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Speaker 1: is a calling shell. Logic does not apply. I know

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. But follow me here for one second. Following, okay,

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Speaker 1: first wave, a free agency opens up. People are tossing

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Speaker 1: truckloads of money at guys. They're coming off the board.

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Speaker 1: And now all these teams that were in the upper part,

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Speaker 1: Remember the Giants were supposedly seventeen in cap room. Supposedly,

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Speaker 1: Now all these teams that are in that upperrush line

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Speaker 1: those teams are now kind of off to the side.

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Speaker 1: They're not in a position now where they can overplay

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Speaker 1: overpay for a second tier player. They've already overpaid for

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Speaker 1: the top tier guys. So now that means a team

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Speaker 1: like the Giants should be able to swoop into a

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Speaker 1: get relative value to where we believe they sit, and

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Speaker 1: it puts the Giants potentially in a better position to

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Speaker 1: compete for that type of player. That's simply an economic picture,

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Speaker 1: a logical picture that I'm describing to you. I'm not

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Speaker 1: telling you that that's exactly what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: It's just something that makes sense to me, and folks

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Speaker 1: were still looking at the same positions in need, and

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Speaker 1: I guess that's to be the last place will stop

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Speaker 1: We're still looking at offensive tackle. You're looking at defensive ends,

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Speaker 1: and maybe a linebacker. I think that could be in

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Speaker 1: the conversation as well. Do you agree those are the

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Speaker 1: five positions of need you're looking at, Paul I. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that you could argue if they added someone

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Speaker 1: going to address as many of those as possible in

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Speaker 1: the draft. But Dave Gelman would rather plug at least

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Speaker 1: one or two of those holes now if he can. Sure. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing he always says, You do not want

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Speaker 1: feel desperate to fill them, and that's when you make mistakes. So, Mike,

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Speaker 1: they'll add somebody on some level of financial compensation at

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Speaker 1: all those spots. It's just a matter of who, how much,

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Speaker 1: and what the impact. I have a piece of logic

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Speaker 1: one more piece of logic, daret okay, piece of logic,

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Speaker 1: and again this is not coming from anybody in the building.

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Speaker 1: Piece of logic says to me, as we are now

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Speaker 1: seeing the top safeties came off the board, reportedly still

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Speaker 1: plenty left for an excess of ten a year, according

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Speaker 1: now I believe Amost from the Bears, who was a

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Speaker 1: nine and change, I think, yes. Okay. So that says

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Speaker 1: to me that the second level of free say of

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Speaker 1: Amos in that first group too, to be honest with Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, and I agree with you. But

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Speaker 1: he he did come in supposedly under double digits, correct, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying to you now, outside of Earl Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's another safety on the board

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Speaker 1: that can command double digits. There was nothing. By the way,

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Speaker 1: seventy year, so that brings it down even more again

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Speaker 1: to your point. Okay, So here's what I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Logic says to me that a guy like ha ha

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Speaker 1: coming off a subpar two thousand eighteen. In my mind,

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Speaker 1: he has a lot to prove because he was certainly

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Speaker 1: and when he first started his NFL career. It's that

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Speaker 1: kind of guy who I think if I were an

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Speaker 1: sign him to a maybe a one year contract, maybe

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Speaker 1: with a second year option on it, something short, with

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Speaker 1: a decent amount of change that's gonna be under double digits.

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Speaker 1: Maybe even give him a little bit of an incentive

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Speaker 1: that might even get him into that nine range, and say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, how would you like to reprove yourself again,

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Speaker 1: He mentioned Shane Ray was somebody who Lance has talked

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Speaker 1: about on this program for a couple of weeks. And

431
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Speaker 1: and Ray Ray had a bit of a checkered personality

432
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Speaker 1: profile when he came out of school, John remember, and

433
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Speaker 1: he was one of those tweeners who at the time,

434
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Speaker 1: with the Giant scheme, I didn't think he fit very well.

435
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Speaker 1: So I was certainly against drafting him. With the scheme

436
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: they have now his toolbox would actually fit. But the

437
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Speaker 1: question is how do you feel about him after his

438
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Speaker 1: NFL career has not lived up to its potential. And remember,

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Speaker 1: Dave gettlman and I won't use the word. Uh talked

440
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Speaker 1: about a specific quotient that you have sometimes at has

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Speaker 1: to do with personality and social interaction. Yes, um, you

442
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Speaker 1: don't want guys that maybe aren't the best in your

443
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Speaker 1: locker room. And again, as Paul said, Shane Ray had

444
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Speaker 1: that knock heading out of college. I don't have any

445
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Speaker 1: idea how he wasn't in Denver, were not in that

446
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Speaker 1: locker room. I can't speak to it, but that's something

447
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: you always keep an eye on when you're trying to

448
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Speaker 1: figure out how to get the right culture on the team. Yeah.

449
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Speaker 1: Now there there's there's one of the name here on

450
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Speaker 1: the Edge Rushers list. Only because I'm gonna mention this

451
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Speaker 1: only because he's he's harassed the Giants every time they've

452
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Speaker 1: played the Packers. Nick Perry, Yeah, he was just let go.

453
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Speaker 1: He's he's he's an okay player. I I don't I

454
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily think he deserves any headlines anywhere. But do

455
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Speaker 1: you notice every time the Giants played the Packers he

456
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Speaker 1: seemed to have a pretty good game, Not that that

457
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Speaker 1: means anything. Now, he's a solid player, and Aaron Lynch

458
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: is a solid player too, And I think those are

459
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Speaker 1: the guys you're probably looking at. But this might be

460
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Speaker 1: a we gotta see this year. This might end up

461
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Speaker 1: being a big pass rush by committee thing, depending on

462
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Speaker 1: what they do in the draft. I'm gonna throw a

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Speaker 1: name out there again. I'm may have thrown this out

464
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Speaker 1: last week when Lance was on and and I know

465
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Speaker 1: people are gonna laugh because there's not much evidence over

466
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Speaker 1: the first two years of his stay here. But I

467
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: think every moss has a toolbox, a really good toolbox.

468
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: I still wonder why he couldn't get himself up off

469
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Speaker 1: that practice squad last year. I don't understand it myself.

470
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a reason that we don't know about.

471
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Speaker 1: The coaches see him in practice every day. He was

472
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Speaker 1: coming off that pretty serious hip injury. Maybe that has

473
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Speaker 1: something to do with it, could have, but it was

474
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Speaker 1: a labor room chair in his hip that he had

475
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Speaker 1: to have surgery for. And you know, um, I know this.

476
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Speaker 1: The first half of last season, I don't think he

477
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Speaker 1: was fully physically capable of doing everything he wanted to,

478
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Speaker 1: so that did set him back. There was teching so

479
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Speaker 1: many new guys into those spots on I'm just surprisating

480
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Speaker 1: he was one of the few guys I was actually

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Speaker 1: on the practice squad from week one two weeks seventy

482
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Speaker 1: the whole year, and then he and Evan Brown the center,

483
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: were the two guys that were in the practice squad

484
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Speaker 1: the whole year, and then shortly after the season ended

485
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Speaker 1: they did resign him again to the futures contract. Yes,

486
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Speaker 1: so they must still think enough of him. And I'm

487
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Speaker 1: gonna suppose that that injury had something to do with

488
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Speaker 1: it last year. Why I didn't get a chance, I

489
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: still don't understand it fully, But why would you then

490
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Speaker 1: bring him back if you didn't think that there was

491
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Speaker 1: anything there? And I know he's got a toolbox. He's

492
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Speaker 1: a guy that could be part of that committee. He

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Speaker 1: could You're not gonna depend on it for a but

494
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Speaker 1: I do think he could be a rotational pass rush.

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Speaker 1: You gotta hope he gets better. You gotta hope Lorenzo

496
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Speaker 1: Carter gets better. You gotta hope that Karim Martin the

497
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Speaker 1: second year is a little bit more. I think he's

498
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Speaker 1: actually put a lot better the second half of year,

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Speaker 1: Cream War and I thought he actually was a pretty

500
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Speaker 1: good player the second half of the year. But he's

501
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Speaker 1: still that your dynamic bend, the edge pass rusher. I

502
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: still think they're gonna have to draft one John, And

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Speaker 1: that's why I think number six is gonna be a

504
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Speaker 1: perfect spot for one. Look, they'll they'll be one there,

505
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Speaker 1: and you'll have a choice of a few of them,

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Speaker 1: a real one. It's just not someone you're projecting. It'll

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Speaker 1: be a real one. You will be able to draft

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Speaker 1: somebody that had double digit saxon college and his last

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Speaker 1: yes yes now again. Sometimes edge rushers take a year

510
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Speaker 1: or two to translate to that it's happened right away sometimes,

511
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Speaker 1: but most what happens on three. Back to the phones,

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Speaker 1: Matt and Rockville Centers up next, a little Matt love

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Speaker 1: the show. Thanks for taking my call. Thank you, Matt.

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Speaker 1: I think I think for giant fans everywhere with the

515
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Speaker 1: less the lesson we wanted discusses every moss, I get it.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing in front of you that indicates that there's

517
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Speaker 1: anything special there. I'm simply telling you that the toolbox

518
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: is there. It really is, whether or not it turns

519
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Speaker 1: into anything. Demontre Moore had a great toolbox and he

520
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: just totally flamed out for a variety of reasons. And

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Speaker 1: now he's doing real well in the A A f um.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just because the guy's toolbox doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. But he does have tools, trust

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Speaker 1: me when I tell you that. Right, So, I think

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Speaker 1: what we're kind of seeing here, and I'm actually happy

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Speaker 1: with the approach the Giants are taking is they got

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Speaker 1: to take their medicine here a little bit. You they've

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Speaker 1: clearly failed to the draft over the last you know,

529
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Speaker 1: since Tver, literally after two thousand and ten, they had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of empty drafts, and the cupboard is there,

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Speaker 1: and you're not going to fix this problem by going

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Speaker 1: out and signing average players, two group player contracts of

533
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Speaker 1: good players, two great player contracts. It doesn't you know

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Speaker 1: that Darius Smith is a is a guy you add

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Speaker 1: kind of like when the Giants ended inter a role

536
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Speaker 1: when you're desperate, you got a good team, you're desperate.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to force it in the draft, so

538
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Speaker 1: you go out and you sign it as as a

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Speaker 1: Darius Smith. I don't know what I put him in

540
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Speaker 1: that cupboard, because he is a guy just coming into

541
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Speaker 1: his prime and and and he's a versatile, stand up

542
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Speaker 1: or hand in the dirt type of guy who can

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Speaker 1: come off the edge. I wouldn't put him in that

544
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Speaker 1: category quite yet, but man, I agree. I think that

545
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Speaker 1: I know what you mean, and I think there are

546
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Speaker 1: a number of players that have signed that would fit

547
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Speaker 1: the exact profile you're talking. Absolutely, yes, you know, you

548
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Speaker 1: forget the player he is. He's being paid like an

549
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Speaker 1: upper echelon player. He's just you're, you're you're banking on

550
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Speaker 1: it coming. There One thing I kind of want to

551
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Speaker 1: mention you guys are not gonna hang up and then

552
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: I'll listen Is and this, this is where the Giants are.

553
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: There's a there's a good chance, you know, next season

554
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: may not be you know, we all on his fans,

555
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: and that's okay because I want them to build a

556
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: sustainable winner, not build a short term winner. Nothing that

557
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: will scare me is with odell Is. Don't let this

558
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: get to the point where he demands a trade and

559
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: he wants his contract. We worked. I think the Giants

560
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: should look to move him now that they're going to

561
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: get the best value for him now and they can

562
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Speaker 1: possibly ever get, and that'll be a way to kind

563
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: of jump started to rebuild. You turn the team over

564
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: to Barkley, a new quarterback. You open up cap space

565
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: to get younger, cheaper and deeper thoughts. Matt, Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: and I know everyone and I appreciate the call. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has been mentioning all these Odo Beckham Junior rumors.

568
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Speaker 1: Here's the consistent thing about all the Odeo Beckham Junior rumors.

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Speaker 1: You'll originate in another city. I'm serious. First, they started

570
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Speaker 1: with Cleveland last week. Right now you're here in Mada,

571
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Speaker 1: San Francisco. It's all well and good. Other teams are

572
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Speaker 1: saying they think and a deal for Odell Beckham Jr.

573
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Speaker 1: Could be had. Is there anything out there from the

574
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Speaker 1: giants that are saying that they're shopping the guy? No, no,

575
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Speaker 1: And Dave Gettleman's modus operanda is that he will take

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Speaker 1: calls all right, and he'll listen. That doesn't mean he's

577
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Speaker 1: shopping a guy. And it's a shame that Odell Beckham Jr.

578
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: Has to hear that stuff because I think it probably

579
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: makes him think that things are going on that that aren't.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the giants are telling him that's not the case,

581
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: but I just think I think it's a lot of

582
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: noise coming out of other cities. And if you look

583
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: at it. And I'm not saying this with a lot

584
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: of these gms are doing, but if you think about it,

585
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Right. The more you put it out

586
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Speaker 1: there that the Giants are willing to trade Oll Beckham Jr.

587
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: You're actually making it more likely that the Giants will

588
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: have to trade him. If the player gets annoyed and

589
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: does something like Antonio Brown does, You're actually making him

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Speaker 1: more toxic by leaking that to the media. You're self

591
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: from other markets. Other markets are trying to enhance their leverage.

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00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: Enhanced the enhance their leverage. That's exactly perfect way to

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00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: put it. I would add something else though, if you're

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Speaker 1: a team from the outside looking in, and let's say

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Speaker 1: you are interested in Odell Beckham Jr. Uh for as

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Speaker 1: great a player as he is, and I still think

597
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: we all believe he's top three, received three five receiver.

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Speaker 1: Have you want to look at Okay, he is also

599
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Speaker 1: coming off of two years of injury. He's coming off

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Speaker 1: of a an ankle injury which required surgery, and last

601
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: year he's coming off of a deep tissue quad injury

602
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Speaker 1: that forced him to miss the final month of the

603
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: season five games. So if you're going to call Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman and say we're interested in making a pitch for

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00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: Rhodell Beckham Jr. Well, part of your pitch to him

606
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Speaker 1: is you've got a guy who's been hurting each of

607
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: the last two years and couldn't finish the season. So

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Speaker 1: when you make your pitch to him, trying to get

609
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: as good a deal as you can get, you will

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00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: bring up his injury history. And trust me, if Dave

611
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: Gettlman is even going to listen to you, it is

612
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Speaker 1: going to take a tremendous offer, basically the keys to

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Speaker 1: Fort Knox and then some for him to move off

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00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: of this player and said it. He did not sign

615
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. To trade him. He's been very, very,

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Speaker 1: very forceful about So if you if you understand those

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00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: two points, there's really nowhere for them to meet John.

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Speaker 1: And the reason he has so much value right now

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Speaker 1: too is the contract. Because once once a player it

620
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: gets traded from a team, the prior team stoles to

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Speaker 1: pay off the whole signing bonus. So the team that

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Speaker 1: gets Beckham has very little guaranteed money left in the

623
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Speaker 1: contract and their capital each year is lower because the

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00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Giants are paying the signing botus money, so it makes

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00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: him even more valuable of a commodity under the contract

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Speaker 1: that the other team would acquire him under. I just

627
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't take it taking everything out

628
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: of the equation except the pure business angle of it.

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Speaker 1: I would find it very horrid to believe that somebody

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Speaker 1: could come to a reasonable agreement to make a deal

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Speaker 1: for him. I just don't see it. And again I

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Speaker 1: agree with you never say never, and that's why you

633
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: take the phone calls that come in. But look or

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Speaker 1: Pete Dave Gentleman statement again he did not sign Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. To trade him two o one. It's like

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Speaker 1: it's like I said the other day. If somebody offers

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Speaker 1: a herschel Walker kind of deal like the Fuckings did

638
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, then you listen to listen for five

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00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: on three one or mind you that big is presented

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Speaker 1: by cores Light. Download the cores Light Awards. After an

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Speaker 1: amazing Giants prizes, Coach Marvin's up next, Hey, coach, that's

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Speaker 1: a good morning. Go ahead, coach. Yeah yeah Beckham stuff.

643
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Speaker 1: That stuff is killing me. Um anyway, real quick, just

644
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: shut out. I got a dr Chris fort Is coming

645
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: into the Giants uh facility Friday, he's going to look

646
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: at you. He's checking with the strength coach. He's actually

647
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: my quarterback. He was my first quarterback, so he's been

648
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: there Friday. If you guys get to meet him, okay,

649
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: we'll say hello. Huh, we will say hello for you. Yeah,

650
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I told him about you guys. So um, uh think

651
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm think looking at is um. You know, I agree

652
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: with you guys today. You guys are right on the

653
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: money about this free agency. I mean, it's kind of

654
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: hard to see landing Carlin's go. And I had a

655
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: feeling he was going going on division and he did.

656
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm just sitting to see what gentleman does.

657
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I think the fans gonna have to be a little patient.

658
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: Um because John did say I agree with John is

659
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: not rebuilding. But I think we're in a process right now.

660
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: We're in the middle transforming it. You're you're transforming the roster.

661
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing in a lot of the hard

662
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: work out done last year, but there's still a lot

663
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: of hard work left. Right And then with the learning

664
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: trade and we went with maybe we got a good guy, um,

665
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: which is good. He's stilled in that offensive line up. Um,

666
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: the question I have for you guys, and I've been

667
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: thinking about this because it looked like it reformed our draft.

668
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: I always had asked them in that thought process. I

669
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: know I've said this to you guys, but I'm trying

670
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: of moving away from that now after what Jacksonville just

671
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: did or going to do tomorrow and when we traded

672
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: uh Barning. I'm thinking now that sick pick looks like

673
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: is gonna be a pass rusher. I think I would

674
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: rather have a pass rusher from the draft and from

675
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: the free agent. I think it's just going to cost

676
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: us too much to get a tough nuts. So I

677
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys still the same way. Is

678
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: that that sick pig looked like not that you know,

679
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: but doesn't look like to you is going in a

680
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: defensive I have felt that way for a while, Marvin, Uh,

681
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: you know that I've I've I've not been bashful or

682
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: shy about this. I've been calling for an edge rusher

683
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: or a right tackle at number six for months and

684
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm not coming off of that. And I really think

685
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: that when we saw and understood from talking to fellow

686
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: polks who have who have started, you know, doing all

687
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: the analysis on these guys. There's gonna be such good

688
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: value at six at the edge rushing position, frankly, offensive

689
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: tackle potentially too. Yeah, there is. There isn't both, but

690
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: probably even more at at edge. Probably. I I'm leaning

691
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: that way, to be honest. I'm leaning edge rusher six

692
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: and right tackle in the second round. That's where I'm

693
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: leaning right now. But again I could flop that and

694
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: still probably get value at both spots. But well, were

695
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: you talking about that second round? I'm with you. I'm

696
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: with you. Umst the first round. I think they could,

697
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: depending on if anybody moves up what they do with

698
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks in the first five pick. I think one

699
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: of those tops four guys could truck to the Giant

700
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: at six. But I still like uh shaan um Gary

701
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: um the thing, the thing I wanted what you just said,

702
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: Paul about the tackle in the second round, and I

703
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: like that too. But just throwing this out, just just

704
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: throwing it at you and John um task him fall

705
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: to the second round. What do you do Haskins? Yeah,

706
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: my god. Well, first of all, first of all, that's

707
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen if he does If he does.

708
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't believe it. Well too, I

709
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: mean I even think as a as against taking a quarterback.

710
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Paul to Tino is even I think with the second

711
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: round pick he would turn in the card that says

712
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins on it. John, You're probably right. We gotta

713
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: we've figured out how the scenario where Paul's taking You

714
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: guys want me to take caskets? All right, what the

715
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: heck in the second round? I guess I could. I

716
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: guess I could do it. I guess I could do it.

717
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, appreciate it. Then we found the scenario.

718
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: Are you happy now? No? Not really. Last year. Last

719
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: year when I insisted the Giants wouldn't take a quarterback,

720
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: and of course everybody when they ask you that question,

721
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: they're basically referring to the first round pick. So I

722
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, no no. So then they

723
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: take one in the later in the third day with

724
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta. And if we yelled at you, and I

725
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: got yelled at you said they weren't taking a quarterback, yeah,

726
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: they took one on the third day. Relax, he's in

727
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: the competition to be a backup. He's not drafted on

728
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: the third day to be thought of as the next

729
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: franchise guy. I'm not sure you've heard it, but you

730
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: have become a Your one liner has become a proper

731
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: refrain on the end morning show. Have you heard about that.

732
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: I've been told that my compatriots ye have had some

733
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: fun with of course, uh, some of the thoughts that

734
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: I've had on this. But need I remember remind all

735
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: of them and all of you that I insisted they

736
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: would not take a quarterback last year when we got

737
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: to the combine in two thousand and eighteen, John is

738
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: my witness. I came off of trade the pick because

739
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: you need to get a boatload of picks back, and

740
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: I knew they couldn't get it, and I said, Barkley

741
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: has got to be the guy. And so I took

742
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: a lot of heat last year too, and who turned

743
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: out to be right? Well, I don't think you're taking heat.

744
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: I just think that they've been playing your line, where

745
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: will the Giant take a quarterback? And it was the

746
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: speed and enthusiasm in which you hedser No that I

747
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: think is cut people's attention. In classic Paul Detino faction,

748
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: It's it's two years in a row. I'm standing by this,

749
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not criticizing you for it. It's okay, I'm not,

750
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's fine. I've heard through the grape vine

751
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: about a number of these reference is that have come

752
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: up on the air waves over at sixty six. They

753
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: they have cut your three second quick answer Paul with

754
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: the Giants quarterback, and they just keep playing that line

755
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: over and over again. Well again, they aren't being negative

756
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: towards you at all. They're literally saying, look, Paul understands

757
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: the Giants, He's in the Giants, and this is his

758
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: strong opinion on the subject. Um, let's just say I

759
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: hope they were able to pull that out of the

760
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: archive after they don't take one to be fair and

761
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: by guys, to be fair. And again, you were referencing

762
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: the first round more than you wore something later in

763
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: the draft again started out there for you. Okay, Well, hey,

764
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, because I've had a lot of people tell

765
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: me about this and I haven't actually heard it myself

766
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: because quite frankly, I try to get my five miles

767
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: in in the morning and I'm not always watching or

768
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: listening to the radio. Real quick, but before we get

769
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: to the next call, and Brian, You're up next. Then

770
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Lennon Charlie, we talked about this lunch yesterday after the show,

771
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a good conversation, so I

772
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: will kind of bring it up today. Okay, And you

773
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: mentioned the edge rushers, and I think the three guys

774
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: that we think are going to be there and are

775
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: in the mix for both of us for the Giants

776
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: at six, Yes, are Cleveland Ferrell, Brian Burns, and Montez Sweat. Yes,

777
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: we believe Bosa and Nick will and Nick Williams. We

778
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: believe Bosa and Quinn, Josh Allen and Quentin Williams will

779
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: all be gone. Right, We think so correct, And we're

780
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: operating under that assumption if any of those three players

781
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: are there, they should pick those players. Yes, Okay, we're

782
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: in agreement on that too. So you're looking at those

783
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: three pass rushers. Throw Gary and Oliver into the mix too,

784
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: with all their traits. We we agree that they should

785
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: be there, although I don't think either one of us

786
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: would pick them, and I'll get to that in a second.

787
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: And we're eliminating Jakai Polite from the equation for the

788
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: time being based on really some of the worst combine

789
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: reports we've ever seen from on field work and meeting work. Well, yes,

790
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: we've heard off the field stuff that doesn't make you smile, okay,

791
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: And based on Geentleman's idea about culture, it doesn't seem

792
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: like something that would fit in there. Right you're looking

793
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: at those five players. I'm with you. I think with

794
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: the lack of production from Gary and Oliver, I would

795
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: push them aside. I think I'd actually lean more towards

796
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: at Oliver than I would Garry as a three technique

797
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: because I think I think the three technique pass rusher

798
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: pole is really one of the most valuable positions in

799
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: the league right now. Look at Aaron Donald and how

800
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: he affects games, Fletcher Cox, how he affects games, things

801
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: like that. It has proven true. So and I think

802
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: we have those three guys ranking differently, which isn't the surprise,

803
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: And I think it's a good thing because it gives

804
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: good debate for the show. How do you rank those

805
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: three pass rushers that are in the mix right now

806
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: for the Giants with six Well, I said it yesterday

807
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: and I'm not changing. I don't think that I will.

808
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm still going Ferrell sweat and then Burns in that order,

809
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: and I think I have it right now, and I

810
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: go back and forth. Burns and Sweat are in a

811
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: dead heat to me, and I have Farrell is the

812
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: third guy, and I'll explain why I think Fararell has

813
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: a much lower ceiling because he doesn't have the tremendous

814
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: athletic traits that the other guys have. We had ken

815
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: Lee Platt on yesterday talked about Ferrell. He had and okay,

816
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: three cone, which is good enough. It wasn't a one

817
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: that would scare you, but it's not something that's elite.

818
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: Burns and Sweat were elite in those categories. And again,

819
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a big workout guy, but it did show

820
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: what the guys have on tape. Now, I didn't think

821
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: Sweat one would speed and quickness on tape the way

822
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: he showed at the combine, which is why I think

823
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: is a pure pass rusher. I think Burns is a

824
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: better player, but I think Sweat stronger and is more

825
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: potential to be good against the run, which is kind

826
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: of why I go back and forth on the two.

827
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Burns does not have much interest in playing the run,

828
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: which is kind of what scares me a little bit

829
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: about him. He's very slender, even measured in at two

830
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: forty nine the combine. Looking at him on tape, he's

831
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: not anchoring and setting that edge for you well and see.

832
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem for me, John, because

833
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: if the guy is gonna be picked at number six,

834
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to get as much value out of him

835
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: as I can, which means I need to see as

836
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: many snaps out of him as I can. And I'm

837
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: concerned that burn It is strictly going to be a

838
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: situational pass rusher. As terrific a talent as he is,

839
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: I'm not disputing it. He certainly deserves to be conversed

840
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: at at number six or talked about at number six.

841
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: I think I created a word for you. Um, I'm

842
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: thinking he's gonna come off the field a lot because

843
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: there were too many running situations that he could he

844
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: could not hold up. And given that, I leaned to

845
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: the other two guys. And that's fair and and look,

846
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: you're you're reasoning is very valid, very valid. Three all

847
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: presented by cores Light Download the Corps lie at to

848
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: win Amazing Giants prizes. Brian in New York, Hey, Brian, Hey, guys, uh,

849
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: I got a question about creating for you, Um, the

850
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: camp liman. It basically goes up a little bit each year, right, Yes,

851
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: that's correct, right, And I think I went a ten

852
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: million last year this year? What did you say, would

853
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: you say that cap number? Um? Would you say, the

854
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: inflate the cap the cap total is keeping up with

855
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: the inflation of every every one of these positions players

856
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: contracts to each year. Well, I would say the the

857
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: the the cap number going up is what causes the

858
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: inflation of the cap numbers. But do I think they

859
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: go up an equal percentage? I would say probably not.

860
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: I think the contracts are probably growing at a faster

861
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: rate than the cap is. The laws supply and demand,

862
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: especially a key positions, will artificially inflate any one of

863
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: these at any given any much higher than the other

864
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: spot and not just natural and Brian, like I mentioned before,

865
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: with the team's ability to carry cap space from one

866
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: year to the next, it artificially inflates even more cap space,

867
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: which leads to the bigger contracts. Okay, all right, I'm

868
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: just I was just I was just one ning if

869
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: you guys, if you guys first seen an end to

870
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: how much it can inflate like you have quarterbacks making

871
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: thirty million a year and the UM. I guess what

872
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: brings up the question is the fact that Landon Collins

873
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: just got that big fourteen million dollar deal where he

874
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: says everything of it. But I just don't see. I

875
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: don't see how they can put that kind of value

876
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: on an incomplete player, you know, and and still have

877
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: money left to fill the team. Well, here, here, here's

878
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: where the problem lies. For me, It's a team game.

879
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: And as I've preached many many times over, I'm an

880
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: old school guy. I loved Plan B free agency. It

881
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: limited free agency, It limited the types of ridiculous contracts

882
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: that were being handed out. It allowed for continuity so

883
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: that teams could grow together, win together, developed together, and

884
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: stay together. And and you could have important relationships where

885
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: teams bonded and they were able to coach guys up

886
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: and and reap the rewards of their hard work. Free

887
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: agency and the salary cap ripped that the shreds. Okay,

888
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: now here's the thing. It was the players union that

889
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: went to the courts and said we believe that Plan B, which,

890
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: as you may remember, may I don't know how young

891
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: you are or how old you are, you had a

892
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: situation where you could protect X number of players on

893
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: your team, and then there was another dozen or so

894
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: players or ten players, whatever it was, that would be

895
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: subject to Plan BE free agency, and that they had

896
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: the opportunity to then seek these elsewhere, and then your

897
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: team had the right to match to bring that player

898
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: back if you didn't want to lose him. And there

899
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: was no salary cap involved either. So that's why very

900
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: few really good players ever got to move under that scenario.

901
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: But it also according to the courts, because the players

902
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: Union took it to the courts, and the courts ruled

903
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: in favor of the players union that this artificially helps

904
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: to keep prices down, and so they ruled against the

905
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: league and they dissolved Plan B. This was this was

906
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: adjudicated in the courts. Okay, now, the league said, this

907
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: is not any type of antitrust or collusion or anything

908
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: of that nature. We're simply trying to maintain the competitive

909
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: balance of the league. This has nothing to do with

910
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: us breaking the law. And the courts didn't buy it.

911
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: They said, no, we think it has to be dissolved,

912
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: and so it was dissolved, and now we have created

913
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: this monster that has slowly eaten away at the guts

914
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: and the fabric of the NFL since and this is

915
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: now what we have. Okay, I I agree with you.

916
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: I think it stinks, but we don't have a choice. Yeah,

917
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: one more thing, guys, um, I remember I have any

918
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: crest offense with I remember hearing the Platt conference with

919
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman and he was talking about putting too many

920
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: assets and one and one position group. Would you say

921
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: that we've already done that with the offensive line and

922
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: maybe pick up a non draft it's free agent. Well, good,

923
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: good question, and thanks for the call. Right now, they

924
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: have potentially two veterans and then two guys that aren't

925
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: making a lot of money. So I think depending on

926
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: what you do at right tackle would determine exactly what

927
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: you are allocation is at that position in terms of assets.

928
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's unreasonable to have two or three

929
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: highly paid players on your offensive line in the modern

930
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: day NFL. I don't think that's out of whack. I

931
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: agree with you, John, it still starts in the trench.

932
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Two's fine, two's absolutely fine. Three depending on who they

933
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: are and how much you're paying them. Maybe, But in

934
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: today's day and age doesn't to me at all. Um,

935
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: a couple of things that happened around the league, and

936
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: again I'm going to use this as a lesson, folks,

937
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: as to why we say things aren't efficient. We have

938
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: to wait for things to go down. Remember how old

939
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: reports are yesterday that Anthony Barr were signing with the

940
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: New York Football Jets. Well, Mike Garretfollo reporting that Anthony

941
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: barrs decided to stay with the Vikings. Okay, and this, folks,

942
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: is why we always say nothing is official until Wednesday

943
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: at four o'clock. Well, that's right, because a a verbal

944
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: is not binding at the NFL offices and you cannot

945
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: put pen to paper until Wednesday at four o'clock. And

946
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: be because sometimes even though you think you've got to

947
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: deal with a player, uh, maybe he doesn't pass his

948
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: physical and then all of a sudden, well, guess what,

949
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: You've got something wrong with you? This is no deal.

950
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: And rap report reports that the Jets. Again this is

951
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: just his report. I'm just reading it off Twitter. I'm

952
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: told the Jets have taken some of that money that

953
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: they we're going to give to Anthony Barr and have

954
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: made a last and final big offer to former Steelers

955
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: running back Levi on Bell. How about that? So a

956
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: couple of other reports real quickly, and again these are

957
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: not official, just reports. John Brown to the Bills, UM

958
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: Dolphins two year deal with Davante Parker. So a couple

959
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: of lower and wide receiver deals right there. Ziggy Anson

960
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: meetings coming up with the Bills and Saints coming off

961
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery. So that's big for them. Um, let's see

962
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: those Jordan Hicks to the Cardinals for almost nine million

963
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: a year? Did he? Yes? Well we again, we think,

964
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: and again stress these are older reports. These are not

965
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: official by any means, we think. And then Billy Turner

966
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,959
Speaker 1: the offensive alignment to the Packers seven and a half

967
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: a year. M what by the folks. I want to

968
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: get back to the calls here, and I do think

969
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: most of you guys understand this, but just in case

970
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: you don't, when you see these reports about the numbers

971
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: that are being handed out to these players, understand that

972
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: because the teams, legally, according to NFL rules, cannot comment

973
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: on them. Those numbers are coming from the agents, the reps,

974
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: the camps, the players, and they will always make sure

975
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: they give out the numbers to make themselves look good.

976
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: They will get out the max numbers, in other words,

977
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: the numbers that include all of the roll in incentives

978
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: options uh clauses triggers because they want to make it

979
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: seem like they got the best deal possible. So a

980
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: lot of times these numbers don't really come to fruition.

981
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: And depending on structure, a five five year eighty million

982
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: dollar contract could really end up being a three year

983
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar contract because the team can get out

984
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: of the last two years. So it all depends on

985
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: how that things structure, too, And those are details we

986
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: do not have. Two one four, five, one three. Hello, Len,

987
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: how are you, buddy? Good? Good, good to talk to

988
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: you guys. Good morning. Hey listen, just just you may

989
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: have had a chance to do this last week, but

990
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: just just a quick acknowledgement to the passing of Jack Gregory. Uh,

991
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm so glad defensive ending. Thank you, terrific NFL player

992
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: for about ten years, and thank you. And uh I

993
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: know Paul, you know him well, and UH you and

994
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: I probably agree that's a that's a top four defensive

995
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: end in the history of the Guiants here. He was

996
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: certainly high and may I just say when I was

997
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: a youngster, uh, And I'm going back now to uh

998
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: about thirteen years old, I met Jack Gregory at at

999
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: a mall. He was doing a signing, So you were

1000
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: stalking Giants even as a thirteen year old. He was

1001
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: doing an autograph signing. They were they they were. Here's

1002
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: the funny part about it. The Giants had a number

1003
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: of players. Pat Hughes was one of the other ones.

1004
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: You remember the linebacker. Okay, Pat Hughes Jack Gregory were

1005
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: two of the bigger names there a couple other reserves

1006
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: at a mall at an autograph signing. And what they

1007
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: did was they the crowd, can you ask a trivia

1008
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: question that's going to stump one of the Giants, And

1009
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: if you are able to do so and stump them,

1010
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: you will get an autograph ball by the team. So

1011
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: of course I screaming, I got when, I got when

1012
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: I got one? And they call on me and I

1013
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: asked Jack Gregory, who was an outstanding All Pro defensive end,

1014
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: who has the most career sacks in NFL history. Now,

1015
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: of course, see I knew even at that age that

1016
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: the sack was no an official stat so I knew

1017
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: he couldn't get it right, you see, so so so

1018
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: and he was stumped. So I won the autograph ball

1019
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: from the New York Football Giants, and of course you

1020
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: still have that today. A couple of months later it

1021
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: was sent to me special delivery delivery in the mail

1022
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: and all the Giants are signed on that autograph ball

1023
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: and oh man, that's yeah. But I I had him

1024
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: because I knew. I knew the stat wasn't official. There's

1025
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 1: no way he was going to be able to to win.

1026
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: It was so cool anyway, thank you. Yeah, yeah, there

1027
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: you go. R I p Jack Gregory terrific, terrific player

1028
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: sacks in nineteen seventy two. You know that right there,

1029
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: you go. There you got unofficial. You know, Paul, your

1030
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: point about you know, you've got to look at these

1031
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: contracts closely because the money is just I mean, it's

1032
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: off the charts what we're seeing in these first couple

1033
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: of days. And like you, just like you just said,

1034
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: this is very important. It's really the top number. You know,

1035
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: what could happen if all the incents fall into place

1036
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: and the guy plays six years, you know, all all

1037
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So it really is and it's

1038
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: it's you know, particularly out of control, it seems amongst

1039
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: the safeties. Although from what you guys said earlier, it's

1040
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: coming down a little bit. You know, the landing, you know,

1041
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: the landing Collins thing. I think we all knew he

1042
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: was probably going to get about what the franchise number,

1043
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: tag number was for you know, three, four or five years.

1044
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: But this, this is probably a little higher than anybody believed,

1045
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, the Collins thing. To me, something must have

1046
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: happened right at the end. I mean, it just made

1047
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: no sense for the Giants not to tag him. It's

1048
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: almost like something happened and we really didn't want to

1049
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this player at anything he

1050
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: let Honestly, here's what I think happened. And after he

1051
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: signed the Redskins deal, this is my guess of what happened.

1052
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea, This is simply my guess. Yeah, yeah, no,

1053
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: let me I'll give you my take really quickly. Yeah,

1054
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: that I think when Dave Gentleman and Landon Collins Camp

1055
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: sat down for a contract extension, Landon had an outrageous

1056
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: request that probably coincidentally was somewhat similar to the contract

1057
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: that he got from the Redskins and Dave Gettlman said, Look, realistically,

1058
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: we're so far apart. I don't know if there's a

1059
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: way for us to come to a long term agreement here.

1060
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: And I do not want him to play unhappily on

1061
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: a franchise tag. That's why he decided not to tag.

1062
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: That's my bed, all right, let me let me just

1063
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm not responding to that. That's that That could very

1064
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Speaker 1: likely be what happened. I think it was more like

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00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: word got out Landon wasn't coming in you tag me,

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00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: You're not You're not gonna see me for a while.

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00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to me and I'll see you later

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00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: day weekend. Yeah, but here's the problem if in fact

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00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: the agent had floated that out there because the newspaper

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00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: reports were saying he was not going to sign the tag.

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00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: Now you, Dave Getleman, and you gotta put a eleven

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00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: point two million on the side, and now you can't

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00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: even start doing negotiations with other free agents because you've

1074
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: got all that money that's tied up in a tag

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00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: that's not signed. That doesn't help you. That's kind of productive. Yeah, yeah,

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00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 1: I agree. It just seemed right at the end, something

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00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: something happened that, you know, blew the thing out of

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00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: the water because you got a captain who I mean,

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00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It just didn't seem to

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00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: make sense. Listen, some of the names you're thrown around now,

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: guy man, we're down in Walmart shopping Holy count yet yet,

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00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but I understand that, I understand it,

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00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: and hopefully everything, you know, everything comes together. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you about one contract. I just I

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: just don't quite get it, and I want to make

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00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: sure I got this clear. We we didn't tender um pully.

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00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: We we signed him to a three year contract. I

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00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: mean when you tend he was a restricted creeation. I

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00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: think when you tend to it's only for the next year.

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00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: But we didn't do that. We signed him for three years.

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00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: You know. The outside number was nine million dollars. I

1092
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: don't know. Again, you got to look at the contract.

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00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: You gotta look at the guarantee and so forth. But

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00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get that. And you know, not

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00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: so much what's wrong with the player. But if if, if,

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00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: how appeals coming back, if he's well enough to be

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: able to actually get back to you, you're gonna pay

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00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: a guy three million dollars next year to be a

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Speaker 1: back and again led thanks to the call. We appreciate it,

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: but you don't. First of all, you don't know what

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: the acts number is based on, what the first year is,

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00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: what the guaranteed money isn't all that stuff. That's something

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00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: that you'd have to look at. The contract details on

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00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: the Pulley thing is official. By the way, that wasn't

1105
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: the website you saw an interview with him. You can

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00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: check out on giants dot com. But look, they want

1107
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: to compete and you wanted a good center. Well, now

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: you've got two guys that I compete for it, Hall

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: Appeal and Polly, and those are the resources that I

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: think they're gonna put into the center position. And by

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00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: the way, the results with Polly during the second half

1112
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: of last season at center were solid. Yeah. I got

1113
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: a couple of tweets, but I want to finish off

1114
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: the calls first, Matt, Let's get to him. Charlie in Portland,

1115
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: Maine's up next. Hey Charlie, Charlie, Hey, Hey, Paul, Hey, John, Hey.

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00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: I I do you think would have taken any phone

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00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: calls to trade Lawrence Taylor? He would have hung the

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00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: phone up before they got two words up. Well, first

1119
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: of all, Bill Parcels would have been taking the phone call.

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: Good line, John, it would have been George. You would

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: have out of field those phone goals. And by the way,

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: George Young probably would have talked to wherever you wanted

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00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: to talk to him. Now there's a way they would

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00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: even get closer trying to trade LT and I think,

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00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: but they're not Taking a phone call and saying hello

1126
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: is different than being close to a trade. You just

1127
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: conflated two completely different things together. It's not the same. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but don't you don't you understand that to get him

1129
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: and said no, I'm not trading him. He's not going anywhere.

1130
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: That would be the end someone. If someone calling me

1131
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: and asked about se Kwon Barkley, I'd say, what do

1132
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: you want to give me for him? I'd say that

1133
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: about every player on the right. Hold on, Charlie. If

1134
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: someone called him and said, I'm giving you three first

1135
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: round pictures, say call on Barkley. Do you say no? Yeah,

1136
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: I say no, Then you're an idiot. I say no,

1137
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: because he's All of Famer and you're picking some college

1138
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: guy that you don't know why he's gonna be Hold

1139
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: on a second. Let let's let let's just be rational here.

1140
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: The Vikings hold up Jimmy Johnson and said we want

1141
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 1: herschel Walker. Will give you four players and five draft

1142
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: picks I think was the take for herschel Walker, and

1143
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson sat there with the phone laughing his ass off, thinking,

1144
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna be able to build the franchise

1145
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: on this deal. If you don't answer the phone, how

1146
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: do you know, so, Jimmy john Jimmy Johnson, No, no,

1147
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: hershel Walker should be in the Hall of Fame by

1148
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: the way. Okay, that's a joke that he's not. But

1149
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: if you're Jimmy Johnson and you hung up that phone

1150
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: and said, oh sorry, I'm not listening to you, click,

1151
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys dynasty never happens, right, Hey, that would

1152
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: have been a good thing for us if it didn't. Hey,

1153
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: I got a question too, is isn't the colt has

1154
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: over a hundred million dollars in cap space. I'm so

1155
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: supposed to spend that money. Isn't it required by the NFL?

1156
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 1: There they have to spend like of that money? How

1157
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: can that money? It's average, you average, Charlie, thanks to

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: the call. You average that over a course of five

1159
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: or three seasons? Is it? I thought it was four?

1160
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: It might it might be different somewhere from three to five.

1161
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: And there is a there's a flour, there is a floor.

1162
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: But there are ways that teams can manipulate that number

1163
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: two based on spending year to year. Final call. The

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Speaker 1: show is Dennis in Los Angeles. Dennis, what's going on? Hey,

1165
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: not much. You guys are just you know, actually listen

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01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: to your show every morning. The reason I listen to

1167
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: because my wife is a diehard New York Giants. He

1168
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: has a show on. We appreciate that, Thank you. I'm

1169
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: actually a Green Make fans. But anyway, I was just

1170
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: calling something about second round maybe taking the Haskins. Well, no, no, no.

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: Someone asked that if he was somehow there in the

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Speaker 1: second round, which he will not be ever I doubt it,

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: then then Paul would be in favor of taking him.

1174
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: But I think there is a chance of Daniel Jones

1175
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: is there in the second round. If that interesting? I

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Speaker 1: just I just was thinking on that secon round is

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Speaker 1: a pretty pretty important pick, and I think if you

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Speaker 1: take it, take a quarterback that maybe doesn't have that

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01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: much of a future. I don't think it's good idea

1180
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: because I think you're just kind of wasting a pick.

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01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: Haskins was available, I wouldn't suggest taking him. I don't really.

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of confidence in him myself,

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01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, I think Haskins

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: has a I think he's going to be a starter

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01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL quarterback. And I think if you can

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: get a starter quarterback in the NFL and round two,

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: I think you do it um And I think he

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: has a chance to be a guy that's good enough

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: to bring you all the way. But if you don't

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Speaker 1: think so, then no, you don't pick a quarterback just

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: to the sake of picking one off. Absolutely, they pick

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, by the way, is number thirty seven overall.

1193
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: That that the Giants second round pick is thirty seven overalls.

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: They take fifth in the second round because of the type.

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Speaker 1: So that's the value that you have to equate to

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Speaker 1: the players that you're considering, right right, Well, I would

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: definitely shoot towards a you know, defensive player or something

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Speaker 1: on that because I don't like you say, I think

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Speaker 1: Haskins might be a starter, but how good of a start.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if if he's to be

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: the future of the Giants. You know, as far as quarterback,

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01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't I could. I don't see that. I think

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01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: you guys could do. I think actually, next year, obviously

1204
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback class is gonna be better. And then you

1205
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: guys could always have you know, even if you have

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Speaker 1: a good season and have a low pick, you guys

1207
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: could always try to trade up, you know, and get

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01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And then obviously, I ideally then you know,

1209
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: then that quarterback could sit for one year behind Eli

1210
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: and learn, and you know, I think you had a

1211
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: better quarterback class next year than this year's quarterback class.

1212
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: There are many roads to get where you want to go.

1213
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call, those options or what makes this entire

1214
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: debate so intriguing, and tell your wife thank you for listening. Yes,

1215
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: that's so cool. So a couple of tweets real quick,

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Speaker 1: I know, we gotta get out of here. Um, this

1217
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: is a good point, I thought from Mr Chris one

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Speaker 1: seventy two. Paul waiting to see what types of phrases

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Speaker 1: they can sign that won't interfere with the potential of

1220
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Speaker 1: getting a third round compensatory pick next year for Landon Collins.

1221
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: That's actually a good point. And you don't sign a

1222
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: big time free agent, and depending on the rest of

1223
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: the formula and how it works out, and there's no

1224
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: guarantees and that want to stress that, but yes, if

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01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: you don't sign a big time free agent, you have

1226
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: a shot of getting a third umpick for Landon Collins,

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: which is significant compensation. It would be and it would

1228
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: also happen to be in a year that people are

1229
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: thinking you made need draft capital if you want to

1230
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: trade up in the first round to get one of

1231
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: the supposed blue chip qbs. This is good at j

1232
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: Mac underscore g Giants fans quote, our overpaid contracts are

1233
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: killing us. Also Giant fans, why aren't we spending money

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: on the first day of free agency? He makes a

1235
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: good point. You wouldn't make a terrible GM let Dave

1236
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: Gentleman work. I think that's a real good point, as

1237
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: as one of the former longtime scouts who's now working

1238
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: for the media in Chicago said, I understand that a

1239
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: lot of fans disagree with me. I understand that their

1240
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: emotions really get angry and upset with me, but thank god,

1241
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I look at things from a

1242
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: front office perspective because that's the appropriate way to do so,

1243
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: and I actually second his comments to other questions, and

1244
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of about the same topic. Then we'll

1245
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: say goodbye, uh, potential training down in the draft to

1246
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: either pick up draft capital for next season or this year,

1247
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: and same for potentially training a player on the roster

1248
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: for draft capital for this year or next year. If

1249
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: you want to set yourself up to go up and

1250
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: get some kind of quarterback at some point. Yeah, certainly

1251
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: things that have to be discussed upstairs. But you know what, John,

1252
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: let me go buy your example earlier real quick. You

1253
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: said that there were potentially five pass rushers at six

1254
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: that might be in the conversation, right, and maybe more

1255
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: if if they like somebody else. But yeah, okay, So

1256
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: so that means if you go down any further than

1257
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: nine or ten, it could get real sticky if you

1258
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: really feel like you want to get one of those guys.

1259
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: And if there's five guys, you can go down to eleven. Right. Well,

1260
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: maybe again, you said you weren't sure how many of

1261
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: those guys they'd be tall and you just don't know.

1262
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: You also, assuming that only pass rusher is gonna go

1263
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: in the top ten, you're gonna have other positions going there.

1264
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Speaker 1: I think there'll be a quick run on those premier

1265
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: pass rushers in the first half of the first round.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go quick run. I think it's

1267
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Speaker 1: over thirteen. You can get your guy Ferrell. Wow, I

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01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: don't know about that, we'll say, And obviously it's really

1269
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Speaker 1: early and we obviously I don't know that I want

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Speaker 1: to see. I don't know what I want to take

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Speaker 1: that chance for Paul to Tino, I'm johnsch Melko. Reminder

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Speaker 1: tomorrow's show four pm. We will get going as soon

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Speaker 1: as the freeinge cpre begins at four and things become official,

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Speaker 1: which makes things a lot more fun. So there will

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Speaker 1: not be a show in noon. It will be at

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Speaker 1: four pm. Make sure you check it out tomorrow on

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Speaker 1: giants dot Com Big Blue kick Off Live for Paul

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Speaker 1: to Tino. I'm johnsh melk will see then, Audios, everybody