1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson, and we talked about ghosts of 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Drury Lane, which I love very much because they're just 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: super fun. I really really liked the quote that we 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: included at the end about how theater is kind of 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: inherently given to yeah, ghost sighting, Yeah, because of its nature. 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: There was one article I read by an actor. It 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: was from some time back, who was due in the 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: middle of a play run there, and he took the 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: ghost tour on one of his days off, and he 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: was talking about how, you know, he had never seen 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: a ghost and some of the stories are very like 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: me whatever, and he was like, ah, but then when 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I got down lower where apparently some of the old 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: foundation can be seen of the third theater or second theater, 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: one of the two, he was like, I see where 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: this could be spooky and make people think they saw things, 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: because it's just an inherently, you know, scary dark place 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: where there's lots of everything's blacked out because those theaters 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: are painted black. In the back end, you could see 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: some of the old beams from previous versions of the theater. 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: There was apparently, I want to say it was in 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine, and I did not include it because 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: of this a story that an entire cast saw the 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: man in gray at the same time. Wow, and that like, 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: clearly this was evidence that he was real. But that's 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: been chocked up by a lot of people to a 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: publicity stunt on the part of the theater manager to 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: kind of you know, bolster ticket sales, and that really 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of actual accounts from that cast 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: saying yes, we all saw the same thing. The other 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: thing that I loved that I kept turning up no 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: matter what I was looking for, even if I was 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: trying to look. 37 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: At very old things. 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: It was article after article of Patrick Stewart talking about 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: the many ghosts he has seen in his life. Yeah, 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: and I just loved it. He was doing, you know, 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: famously a while back, he and Ian McKellen did Waiting 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: for Goodod together at Theater Royal Haymarket. But like, one 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: of the big stories that came out during that was 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: that he kept saying that he was seeing a ghost 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: in the theater, and I just sort of loved it. 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: There were also many discussions of articles that I would 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: not include because they mentioned the play whose name I 48 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: am still too superstitious to say aloud. Yeah, I wrote 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: it into a podcast one time, not knowing that you're 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: superstition about it extended beyond the walls of a theater. 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, we don't ever, No, thank you. It's 52 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: very silly. I know that's silly, and yet there's a 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: part of my brain that just refuses. It will shut 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: down unless you are in situ in the middle of 55 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: that play having to say the name. You don't say 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: that name. Can you say the name historically about people 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: with the name? I guess, but it would be I wouldn't. 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: I wouldn't look for that. Okay, I'll tell you that. 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: Like if it were on my list of topics to cover, 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: I would scratch it out and move on. 61 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I know again, I know this is silly. 63 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: No one needs to tell me, right, you're being a 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: ding dong that is not having a rational reaction. 65 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. It's one of my things. 66 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm just about. I had always understood it as a 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: superstition about things that should not be said in a theater, 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: and it had never occurred to me that it could 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: be extended beyond to the theater of life. I don't know. 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: Maybe it's one of those things, right, Like my degree 71 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: is in theater and film study. Yeah, and so I 72 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: feel like maybe it's just I will never ever say 73 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: it anywhere ever, in case you don't know, maybe where 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: you're standing used to be a theater at one time. 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: We don't know all the stuff that's been there. You 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: got to be safe. Theater of life says no. Yeah, 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: I've had many friends who just to taught me would 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: just like say it over and over and get out, 79 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: get out of my house, get out of my party, 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: whatever you do. 81 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 2: We're not no, not, haven't it No? Not for me? 82 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: I will say. Also, I want to do an episode 83 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: and there probably will be one in the not too 84 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: distant future on Dan Leno, because I loved reading about 85 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, particularly I mean, as tragic as it 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: becomes in the end, just how much work he did 87 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: to take care of other people with his fame. Like 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: he's one of those people who found himself with an 89 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: extraordinary amount of privilege financially and a platform that he 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: could use to help other people, and he did it 91 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about those kind of people 92 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: all day, every day, especially lately. This seems like a 93 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: good time to ask you. I know we've done this 94 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: at live shows before. Have you ever seen a ghost? 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: So I've had a couple of unexplained experiences. The creepiest 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: one when I was in massage school, some family friends 97 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: generously allowed me to rent a small cabin that had 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: been passed down in their family that was up in 99 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: the mountains. 100 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: And the first night that I was there. 101 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I went into it had an old part that was 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: well over, like over a century old, like made of logs, 103 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: no original plumbing or electricity that had all been added 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: much later. And then it had this like mother in 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: law addition that had been built out of a kit 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: And I was staying in the kit part and I 107 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: walked into the old part after dark the first night 108 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: that I was there, and immediately was like, something malevolent 109 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: is in this place. And I left and shut the 110 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: door behind me and never went back into there after 111 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: dark ever again. And I also like, I didn't want 112 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: to look at it after dark because I was afraid 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: something was going to look back at me out the window, 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: and then what would I do, Like I was in 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: the woods with no one around to help. I would 116 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: not be in this position to begin with. Yeah, So 117 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: one night I heard something very strange outside that frightened 118 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: me and I couldn't figure out what it was. And 119 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: I realized the next day it was Apple's falling out 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: of the tree. And I was like, okay, well that 121 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: explains that one part, but not how when I walked 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: in there the all the hair on the back of 123 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: my neck stood up. I would say, all of the 124 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: theaters that I was in as like a participant in 125 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: the play or the or the musical, they were all creepy. 126 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, like all of them. 127 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean their big, open, cavernous spaces that until you 128 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: actually do the performance, is empty aside from the people 129 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: participating in the play and the crew and the director 130 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and all of that. Like right, you're just in this big, 131 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: echoey dark space with a lot of shadows and a 132 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: lot of corners, and they were all creepy. When I 133 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: was a massage therapist at the Grove park In, there 134 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: are lots of stories about the ghosts at the Grove 135 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: park In and the most direct experience I ever had 136 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: there was we were in the spa and I was 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: talking to a couple of the staff that like arranged 138 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: appointments and stuff, and a spoon from the counter where 139 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: we made drinks for people just launched itself onto the 140 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: ground and we were all like, what did that quaw? 141 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: No one was near by, No one was near. 142 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: It, No one was nearby, Like it wasn't like it 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: was precariously on the edge of the counter. I don't 144 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: know what caused that. It did not scare me nearly 145 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: as much as the old cabin that I stayed in 146 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: in massage school. Yeah, I wouldn't have been in an 147 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 1: old cabin in the woods to begin with. No. No, 148 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: there was also the very first day that Patrick and 149 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: I spent in this house. We did not have any 150 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: cats at this time, but we had had the you know, 151 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: the long grueling day of moving our stuff from the 152 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: one place to the new place. Uh, And we had 153 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: put sheets on the bed and we got into bed, 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: and I think Patrick was like in the bathroom. Patrick 155 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: hadn't come to bed yet, and I had the distinct 156 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: sensation of a cat jumping onto the bed. And we 157 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: had no cats at that time, And I was not 158 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: frightened by this. I was just like, there's a ghost 159 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: cat in the house, and the ghost cat has not 160 00:08:59,040 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: made any other visit. 161 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: We had a ghost cat. 162 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I've told this one during a live show, 163 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: but I don't remember if I've. 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: Ever said it on the recorded podcast. Before. 165 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: There was time we were in our old apartment where 166 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: I had been seeing out of the corner of my 167 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: eye a cat that wasn't there. And then I discovered 168 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: when I finally mentioned it one day, that Brian had 169 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: also been seeing a cat out of the corner of 170 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: his eye that was not there. And we had cats 171 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: at the time, but it was not one of our cats. 172 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: Like we would think, oh, that's gg or whatever. We'd 173 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: look over and there was no cat there. 174 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 175 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: And then there was a night where we were sitting 176 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: in the living room of our dinky little apartment watching 177 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: TV and we both clear as a bell heard my 178 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: dead mother's voice. Oh wow, And it was weird. I 179 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: don't know if there was just someone in an adjacent 180 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: apartment that sounded just like her and the sound traveled 181 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: exactly right, but we like looked at each other like, 182 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: did you just hear that? It was weird? And then 183 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: the next day the cat was real, but he had 184 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: a brother, and we kept them, both of them. So 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I've always joked because my relationship with my mom was 186 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: not amazing, right, But she is exactly the kind of 187 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: person that would dump a stray cat on me, I'm sure, 188 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: And she was like that was probably her way to 189 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: try to reach out if if in fact there was 190 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: a ghost involved that. She was like, you like kitties, 191 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: here's kitties. Oh, breat great kitties that you wanted. And 192 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: we had those cats for twenty years. 193 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: We loved them. 194 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: I used to work in a college library that was 195 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: very old and castle like, and for a while Brian 196 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: was working for a Dutch weather company, so he worked 197 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: Dutch hours, right, and they let me work the same 198 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: hours as him, so our lives matched up. Because I 199 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: was down in acquisitions, I was not like working the 200 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: desk and stuff, and so I would get there sometimes 201 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: that like I would be there in the middle of 202 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: the night or get there or start my shift at 203 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: four in the morning, like it shifted, but I would 204 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: be there alone in the dark. And similar to how 205 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: you described that cabin, there were just parts of that 206 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: building that felt weird. Yeah, I was like not interesting 207 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: going in them. So there was like, if I had 208 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, I had to walk through 209 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: part of it and it always scared the heck out. 210 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: Of me, but I did it. 211 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: And then the one real what just happened to me 212 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: moment that I have ever had was in San Francisco 213 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: at a hotel that is reportedly haunted, and we had 214 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: been joking like, hey, I wonder if we'll hear ghosts, 215 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: and at first we heard this weird ringing noise and 216 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: we finally realized that there was like inside the wall 217 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: a loosish plumbing washer that was jingling, and we were like, oh, 218 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: fully explained. And then later in that same trip, Brian 219 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: was taking a shower and I was like, I'm going 220 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: to just lie down on the bed for a minute, 221 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: take a nap. And I felt clear as any actual 222 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: physical thing I have ever felt the feeling of, like 223 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: finger scratching lightly on my back, and I just said, no, 224 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: thank you, And that was the hand of that. I mean, 225 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, I may have just been having some 226 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: weird Listen, we are both women of science in our hearts, yes, yeah, 227 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: but sometimes weird stuff happens. I don't know where it was. 228 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: I honestly I did not like the fact that when 229 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: I walked into this old cabin that it made me 230 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: feel like something malevolent was there. Because the people who 231 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: loaned it to me were so nice. They were great people. 232 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: It was a cabin that had been handed down through 233 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: the family, and there was just stuff in it that 234 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: was so interesting, and a lot of it was really beautiful, 235 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: and I would have just explored all through it, happy 236 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: as a clam. But even though it had, like the 237 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: first day that I had gone up and they had 238 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: sort of shown me you, like, here's how you have 239 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: to turn the water off from the outside, and like 240 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, I was like, Man, this is 241 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: gonna be so great. I'm gonna be up here two 242 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: or three nights a week. This is such a great space. 243 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: I love it. And then after the first night, I. 244 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: Was like, m mmmmmmmm, Nope, I there's nothing in that 245 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: house that I need to see and I never need 246 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: to lie in a hammock on the porch again, because 247 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: what I had been doing when I went in there 248 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: after dark was to put the hammock away because it 249 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: was a fabric hammock that they didn't want to be 250 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: left out because it would get mildew right. 251 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, Nope, no more of that 252 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: for me. 253 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: Ever, Great we talked about ghost towns this week, sure did. 254 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: I didn't put in my normal introduction about six impossible 255 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: episodes and how it's when I round up six things 256 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: that are related usually somehow and for some reason or another, can't. 257 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: Really be a whole episode. 258 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: And if we did a full on history of some 259 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: of these, it would probably be possible to do a 260 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: whole episode. But I thought they were fun together as 261 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: a whole collection of ghost towns, something I cannot take 262 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: any kind of credit for, but that I really liked 263 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: because this was one hundred percent listener suggestions, so they 264 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: were the topics that listeners asked for. I liked that 265 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: these were six towns that were all with the exception 266 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: of Jerome abandoned, but it wasn't the same story all 267 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: six times, Like all of them I felt like had 268 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: very different nuances, and even the ones that were like 269 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: this was a boomtown and then it disappeared like those 270 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: also were not identical in terms of exactly what happened. 271 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Because when I uh kind of went through and wrote 272 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: down all the ghost town suggestions, I was like, is 273 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: this going to be six of the same story and 274 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't. So thanks everyone who contributed one of these ideas. 275 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: I had a semimnal retraction after something I said during recording, Okay, 276 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: because when we were talking about Centralia and I was like, 277 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: this seems surprising to me that people would stay there 278 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: for a decade while this burned out their town. Uh huh. 279 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: And then I was like, Holly, how much do you 280 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: love your house and how unwilling would you be to 281 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: leave it? And the answer is, yeah, quite a lot? Actually, yeah, yeah, 282 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: I think I also framed it as like people dealing 283 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: with it for a decade, and it was like when 284 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: the fire first started and it was more contained, it 285 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: wasn't that big of a deal, so like people were 286 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: just dealing with it for more than a decade. The 287 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: fire had been burning for more than a decade at 288 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: that point, but it was like more than a decade, 289 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: but really affecting life in the town. 290 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: On a day to day level. 291 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also like most people can't just afford to 292 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: pick up and leave right and sign a new place 293 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: to live. That is as a refrain so many times 294 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: in so many contexts historically and today. Yeah, there will 295 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: be the well, why don't people just move if it's 296 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: so bad, And it's like a lot of people don't 297 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: have the money to just move, or they have family 298 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: ties to a place, or like you just said, they 299 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: love their house and that's their house and it's their 300 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: home and they don't want to leave their home. I 301 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: similarly have trouble imagining living in a place where there 302 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: are toxic gases sweeping out of the ground and possibly 303 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: a sinkhole just opening up in your backyard one day 304 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: or under your house or whatever. Sinkholes being one of 305 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: my weird fears. Oh really one day my house. Yeah, 306 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, what if one day my house suddenly 307 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: falls into a sinkhole? 308 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: I had no idea. Wouldn't that be terrible and terrifying? 309 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: It would? But like, yeah, if that were actually my 310 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: house that I had bought and that I had put 311 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: love and work into and had raised a family in 312 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: or whatever, like, I might not want to leave it either. 313 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 314 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, the Centralia story being associated with the 315 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Silent Hill franchise, I didn't realize until doing this that 316 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: that really was about the movie and not the original 317 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: video game, because I have not seen the movie or 318 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: played the video game, but I knew that there was 319 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: a connection. Boy, it's been a million years since I 320 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: played the video game. I don't think I could conjure 321 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: many details from it. 322 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 323 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the photos of a lot of these places, regardless 324 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: of whether they are rumored to have some kind of 325 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: ghost story attached, the photos of a lot of these 326 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: places are really eerie. I mean because body looks like 327 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: the like the pro what a typical ghost town that 328 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: you know, with buildings they're kind of falling apart, and 329 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: the remaining chimneys and smoke stacks and old khaba that 330 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: kind of come up out of the ground, out of nowhere. 331 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: That's its own level of eeriness. Having a place where 332 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: the one thing remaining is the cemetery, that's not that uncommon, 333 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: but it's also so remote that it's sort of like, 334 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: here is a cemetery with really nothing around it now, right, 335 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like all of these are kind 336 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: of eerie in their own way. And then of course Jerome, 337 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: which is like, from my understanding at least a cute 338 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: little town where tourists can go and have ghost tours 339 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: and look at a bunch of art and have some wine. 340 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: And I would do that. That would be a great, 341 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: great little trip. In my opinion, it sounds amazing. Although 342 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: then when we had the statistic in there that like 343 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty people live there. 344 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: Like, no, that is very small. 345 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's too many people knowing all my business. 346 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, nope. I was scrolling through somebody's blog 347 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: post of photos from their trip they took to Jerome, 348 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: and one of the pictures was of an artomat And 349 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: every time I see an artomac, I get excited. And 350 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: so I don't know if I've told the artomat story 351 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but I'm going to now. So, 352 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: once upon a time you could buy cigarettes from vending 353 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: machines in the United States. You know this, of course, Holly, 354 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: but our our younger audience members may not know this, 355 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: that you could just put money into a vending machine 356 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: and get a pack of cigarettes. And when those machines 357 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: eventually were outlawed, there a lot of them were still around, 358 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: and so an artist converted one into an art vending 359 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 1: machine with little works of art the size and shape 360 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: of a pack of cigarettes. And the first one of 361 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: these machines was at a coffee shop called Penny University, 362 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: which is in Winston Salem, North Carolina, which is one 363 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: of the coffee shops that I spent some time at 364 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: when I was freshly out of college. And so now 365 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: anytime I am anywhere and I see an arto Matt, 366 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: I buy something out of it. 367 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love it. I think it's great, and. 368 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: I feel like there used to be one in the 369 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, but I may be 370 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,959 Speaker 1: misremembering that when I looked at the map of where 371 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: they are located, because there's a big map showing where 372 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: they are, and they're all over the world, at this point, 373 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: there was not one. Well at the MFA. It's possible 374 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: it was. There was one there and elsewhere, because they 375 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: do move sometimes. Yeah, so yeah, I love I love 376 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: the art of Matt and I love getting a little 377 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: thing that pops out of it and being surprised by 378 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: whatever little piece of art I have found. 379 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: It's the best. So yeah. 380 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: I think this was my final October contribution to this 381 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: year's October episodes, and it only kind of skirted the 382 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: world of the eerie and ghostly, but it was fun. 383 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: I know. 384 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: I feel like this year I haven't been as spooky 385 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: uky yuky as I usually am. Yes, sorry, well I 386 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: had a werewolf episode, so very in skeptical village anymore. 387 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not real. I don't know if this 388 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: is my age speaking or what, but yeah, yeah, Well, 389 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: whatever's happening on your weekends. If you want a chance 390 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: to go out and look at some art, I hope 391 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: you get to look at some art. If there is 392 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: an arto Matt and you get a little, little cigarette 393 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: package sized piece of art, I hope it is something 394 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: that surprises and delight to you. Whatever's happening in your world, 395 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: boy do I hope it is going as smoothly as 396 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: is absolutely possible. I know there's a lot going on 397 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of it's not going smoothly. So whatever's happening, 398 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: I hope it is as easy as as possible. We 399 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: will be back with a Saturday Classic tomorrow. We will 400 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: have something brand new on Monday. Stuff you Missed in 401 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts 402 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 403 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.