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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lally. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt,

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Speaker 1: we're starting to see some of the dominoes fall here

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Speaker 1: in the coaching ranks, and this is typically where we

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Speaker 1: do the fantasy football focus. And well this does matter

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Speaker 1: for fantasy football, oh absolutely, top where all those coordinator

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Speaker 1: changes this year is massive for fantasy. So over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: it's announced that the Dallas Cowboys are partying ways with

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, who I think is highly overrated too. I

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Speaker 1: don't get the buzz. Yeah, well it doesn't. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: hurt that you've got Romo and Troy Aikman, who are

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Speaker 1: two of the top crews going on. And oh he's

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Speaker 1: such a good he's he's head coaching material. Blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah, and I think Jerry loved him too,

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Speaker 1: which probably means Aman loves him and Romo loves him,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, So so he's out in Dallas, Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy going back to calling the plays because that works

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Speaker 1: so well in Green Bay. Yeah, and more is immediately

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Speaker 1: scooped up by the Chargers, who also had a little

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Speaker 1: bit of news over the weekend. Did you see that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. If it's more than more getting hired, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's much much more than that. Like shoulder shoulder surgery

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Speaker 1: for Mr Herbert, Oh really so yeah, he throw this

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Speaker 1: thing he had, he had his labor and repaired and

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Speaker 1: as I can tell you from personal experience, that is fun.

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Speaker 1: So he was playing through that all season long, so obviously,

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Speaker 1: or at least a good portion of the season. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a big deal because you've you've now

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Speaker 1: brought in a new offensive coordinator and your quarterbacks not

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Speaker 1: gonna be throwing a football for a few months. So

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Speaker 1: as was the case in our hometown. UM, I would

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Speaker 1: say Lombardi with the Chargers was probably the most scrutinized

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in the league, or close to it. You

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Speaker 1: have unbelievable quarterback. You never throw the ball down the field.

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Speaker 1: Now I had problems with it as well. I didn't say,

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Speaker 1: Boyle Marty's doing a great job with the Chargers, but

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Speaker 1: I've also been in buildings and they didn't protect well.

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Speaker 1: Their receivers were heard all year. Their quarterback suffered a

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Speaker 1: pretty good injury in the middle of the year. He

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Speaker 1: played through and as you mentioned, apparently he had a

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Speaker 1: shoulder that he was dealing with the whole time too,

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Speaker 1: So maybe the playbook wasn't quite but you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's easy to sit here and say, well,

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Speaker 1: my guy and Madden, you can throw it all down

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Speaker 1: the field, and boy, Herbert's awesome and as all this stuff, Well,

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the you know, you had the

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Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, if his shoulders messed up, does he still

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Speaker 1: have the deep ball in his pocket? Maybe not? You know, right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Can he throw it? That's the that's the key. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting move. Um, this season next year is

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Speaker 1: not jeopardy or anything, right, No, No, he's he's expected

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Speaker 1: to be good to go for next year. But again,

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Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, and he's not going to get you know,

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Speaker 1: a ton of work in the off season. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: working you know, working with that uh in Miami. More

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Speaker 1: a huge upgrade over Lombardi. I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't say.

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Speaker 1: I mean people think Morris is Yes, I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, I don't really either. Vic Fangio,

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Speaker 1: hired by the Dolphins to be their new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good move. Um, their head

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Speaker 1: coach had a lot of rookie head coach moments this year.

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Speaker 1: People were praising him way too early when they were

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Speaker 1: flying high. And I do think he's a very good

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Speaker 1: offensive mind and got a lot out of Twah when

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Speaker 1: he was there, But he inherited the same floor as defense,

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Speaker 1: and which is corners on islands, man coverage, and the

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Speaker 1: corners kept getting hurt and they kept still doing the

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Speaker 1: same thing. Like I kind of blame the head guy

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Speaker 1: And to to pull Geo out, who's considered, you don't,

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Speaker 1: the planet. It's a good thing for them. They have

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Speaker 1: some pieces in place. Um. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: great higher for them. Plus, he's maybe as importantly as

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Speaker 1: that's super important if the young head coach will listen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you actually ask the questions and listen, I don't

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Speaker 1: it just seems as head coaches go, he's certainly nerdy.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like a lineman or you know, but

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Speaker 1: game doing yoga on the field and pating and you know? Right? Uh.

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Speaker 1: last week, and I don't know that that was a

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Speaker 1: good move. They hired Hackett from the former the former

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Speaker 1: don't know. He didn't call the offense in Green Bay. Now,

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Speaker 1: and didn't it didn't find job with that team. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, but I don't know that he's a great

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Speaker 1: that they think that they're getting Aaron Rodgers. I think

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Speaker 1: that's I honestly, and a lot of people told me

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Speaker 1: this that when Denver hired them was a recruiting tool

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Speaker 1: for Rogers, and they thought that that was going to

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Speaker 1: I was really critical that offense, which was easy to

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Speaker 1: semed to notice that after they got rid of Hackett

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Speaker 1: got better, markedly better. Bad. Yeah, right, right right, Like

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Speaker 1: maybe Wilson is not a horrible player, but I feel

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Speaker 1: we're getting him to get Rogers. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you're good at coordinating or not, but if you can

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Speaker 1: get us Rodgers, that's the move that might be swell.

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Speaker 1: They might be in the championship next game, next year.

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Speaker 1: We only have been talking about them three and sixty

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Speaker 1: five days from now. But I don't think that's the

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Speaker 1: think there were five, yeah, Shelby in pant and those guys,

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Speaker 1: guys who were you know, valuable pieces. Right, it won't

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, that makes Corey Davis or you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't quote me on this, but I think Rogers

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Speaker 1: It's big. It's insanely big, you know. So you're done,

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Speaker 1: Like that's gonna cost you your pick the rest of

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Speaker 1: end up having to redo his contract or give him

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Speaker 1: a new one when we trade for him. Right, how

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Speaker 1: many years is he gonna keep going? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm hitching my wagon to him

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Speaker 1: at his stage of his career. Well, here's the thing, Matt,

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Speaker 1: So rogers base salary next year is one point one

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Speaker 1: with extraordinary numbers surrounding for green Bay. For green So,

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Speaker 1: green Bay is going to want multiple first round draft

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Speaker 1: they're taking on They're they're taking all the risk, they're

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Speaker 1: can't run it back with love and Rogers again. You

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I don't even care. I didn't love him

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Speaker 1: I don't. But you've got to do something there, No,

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Speaker 1: you have to, absolutely you know it's it's reached a

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Speaker 1: is he worth quite frankly the headaches that he costs.

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean is it's kind of like the

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Speaker 1: Wilson situation. It becomes now becomes Antonio brown Lake. At

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Speaker 1: some point that star player becomes too big of a

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Speaker 1: And it seems like in New York from an outsider's perspective,

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Speaker 1: or yeah, right, right right. One of those guys aren't

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Speaker 1: gonna cost you your picks. Picts are important pictures, and

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Speaker 1: they've been hitting on them. They've done well with their picks. Wow,

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Speaker 1: to the top ten picks. That doesn't hurt. Will Zach

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Speaker 1: don't think he will either. Would he go to Green

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Speaker 1: You know? Maybe? And I wouldn't be looking at it like, hey,

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Speaker 1: He gonna have Jack Wilson out, you know, all Lee

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Speaker 1: bob on you know, smoking, uh, mushrooms and things like that,

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Speaker 1: I tend to think of Wilson will be elsewhere. He's

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has become something of a it's almost like

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Speaker 1: a movie character now cartoon character. Yeah. Yeah, Like I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for his football life for he retires, because

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot more going on behind there

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Speaker 1: like there's all kinds of weird stuff going on with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We liked him more than Alex Smith, and but we

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Speaker 1: weren't drafting a quarterback. We took Brayland Edwards. But like

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Speaker 1: even his path to the league is weird, you know,

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Speaker 1: like he was not this superhuman quarterback coming out of school.

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Speaker 1: He was getting better. Then he sits behind far and

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Speaker 1: then turns into the superstar. I mean he's had a

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Speaker 1: strange journey. It really has long, strange trip. Yes, much stranger,

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Speaker 1: very rapidly. Uh, speaking of strange situations, the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 1: higher Frank Reich as their head coach. Yeah, they didn't

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