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Speaker 1: health economist David Stuckler argued, quote, global health is ruled

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Speaker 1: by a few private donors who make decisions in secret.

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Speaker 1: The capacity to decide what is relevant and how it

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Speaker 1: will be addressed is in the hands of very few,

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Speaker 1: who ultimately are accountable to their own interests. So that's rad.

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Speaker 1: That's good, yeah, And it is like right as you

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Speaker 1: get further into it. It is like the global health

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Speaker 1: of it. We just lived through. This is why, like

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Speaker 1: the value of uh really only caring about human beings

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Speaker 1: or at least like trying to do something outside of

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Speaker 1: a profit motive. Like every everything that we did during

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Speaker 1: COVID that was profit driven caused death and suffering and

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Speaker 1: loss of business, which is the craziest part, Like it's

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Speaker 1: business can't even be trusted to make business go. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all you need to know about the difference between

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Speaker 1: when healthcare is primarily about profit and when it's primarily

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Speaker 1: about people is to look at Cuba. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: Cuba a little later. Not a government that's without flaws.

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Speaker 1: You can look at a lot of horrible ship. They

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Speaker 1: did LGBT people back in like the nineties during the

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Speaker 1: AIDS epidemic and stuff. But as a rule, they put

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Speaker 1: make up. They public health is like the number one

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Speaker 1: thing that they worry about over there, and so they

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Speaker 1: have like a lung cancer vaccine, and they have a

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Speaker 1: COVID vaccine and now they're giving it away for free

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of countries. Like it's yeah, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's just different. When the goal of healthcare is

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Speaker 1: not to make some dude who lives in Mountain View richer. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: since Gates doesn't like the idea of universal health care,

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Speaker 1: he's resisted supporting the w h o S nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: eight Alma Alta declar aation. This is essentially an international

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Speaker 1: commitment to strengthen primary care systems and move towards universal

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Speaker 1: healthcare and more nations. It's basically saying the best way

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Speaker 1: to support public health worldwide is to strengthen the primary

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Speaker 1: care systems in those countries to make them more independent

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Speaker 1: and more capable of caring for people, rather than them

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Speaker 1: needing to rely on foreign NGOs and stuff to provide healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Right makes sense, you know? Um. The Gates Foundation, though,

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Speaker 1: pursues market based solutions and as a result, according to

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Speaker 1: the Lancet, grants made by the Foundation often quote do

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Speaker 1: not reflect the burden of disease endured by those in

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Speaker 1: deepest poverty. Let's discuss a practical example of how this looks.

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Speaker 1: If you google Bill Gates in Africa, you will come

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Speaker 1: across an awful lot of articles where Gates expresses is

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Speaker 1: worry that there might soon be too many Africans. This

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Speaker 1: is always framed in humanitarian terms. Um, here's a feminine

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Speaker 1: climate change. But I don't know, yo is that racist?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely too many Europeans, said, yet way

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Speaker 1: too many Italians. The birthrate has been following for years,

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Speaker 1: but not by enough. When I'm president, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: my number one goal. Get getting Megan. There'll be less

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Speaker 1: Italians or anti Mussolini. If you will, Yeah, do a

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Speaker 1: reverse Mussolini, h reverse Alini if you will. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know what, some very cool people in Milan in

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Speaker 1: the forties reverse to Mussolini and that worked out pretty well.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of the way to do it. That is

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Speaker 1: the path you're on. I slip them upside down. One

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Speaker 1: less Italian? Okay, good times. So again Gates is concerned

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Speaker 1: about there being too many Africans. It's always framed as like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about like famine and climate change and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But it's hard to ignore how often he

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Speaker 1: thinks about reproduction in sects among black Africans. He thinks

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Speaker 1: about out it a lot, and maybe he shouldn't be here,

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Speaker 1: everybody Robert Evans here um. The initial version of this

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Speaker 1: episode included a pretty long critique of HIV program, an

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Speaker 1: HIV mitigation program Bill Gates had had UH supported heavily

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Speaker 1: in Africa that was based on circumcision critique that based

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Speaker 1: largely on an article I'd found in the Journal of

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Speaker 1: Future HIV Therapy from two thousand and eight titled male

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Speaker 1: circumcision is not the HIV vaccine we were looking for.

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Speaker 1: That article included a lot of the critiques I made

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Speaker 1: in the episode, UM the name of the fact that

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Speaker 1: while circumcision kind of a perfect environment can reduce the

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Speaker 1: spread of HIV, it didn't seem to actually do it

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Speaker 1: when when implemented in a large scale for a variety

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Speaker 1: of reasons, including it led to other kind of risky

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Speaker 1: behaviors and whatnot. People didn't understand um, you know, they

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Speaker 1: were still supposed to wear con is. There are a

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Speaker 1: number of things that we we brought up in the episode,

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Speaker 1: but a concerned fan reached out to me after that

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Speaker 1: UH and made me aware of a number of things

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Speaker 1: that I had gotten wrong, and also made me aware

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Speaker 1: of an article in the lance at Journal of Global

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Speaker 1: Health from JEE which was a systematic review and meta

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Speaker 1: analysis of a bunch of different studies into exactly this thing.

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Speaker 1: Like whether or not these circumcistion programs can reduce the

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Speaker 1: risk of spreading hi v UM, and I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to quote from UM a section of the of the

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Speaker 1: conclusion here UM, which reads, quote, our systematic review and

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Speaker 1: meta analysis found that, you know, the circumcition campaigns were

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Speaker 1: not associated with increased conom lest sex, or multiple sexual

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Speaker 1: partners among heterosexual men. This lack of association persisted across

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Speaker 1: a wide variety of subgroups. UM. These findings might help

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Speaker 1: alleviate concerns that widespread MMC programs could lead to risk

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Speaker 1: compensation and therefore reduced the benefit of MMC. UM. So

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Speaker 1: it seems like I was wrong on that. There's still

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Speaker 1: I have some concerns about it. But also I'm willing

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Speaker 1: to admit that I did not understand this as well

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Speaker 1: as I should have, So I apologize for that. If

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Speaker 1: you want to read more, that meta analysis is in

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Speaker 1: the Lancet UM and we will put up a couple

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Speaker 1: of other sources that were sent to me on our

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Speaker 1: website to update the source section. So UM, I have

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Speaker 1: cut out that chunk of the episode. There will be

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Speaker 1: a couple of references to it later on. But you know,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do about that. But yeah, here's

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Speaker 1: the here's the correction. I'm sorry for being a hack

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Speaker 1: and a fraud. The charity of the Gates Foundation is

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Speaker 1: all too often it'sself a form of imperialism, one that

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Speaker 1: has harmful, unforeseen impacts on local populations. The good news

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Speaker 1: is that, since Gates is a billionaire narcissist his he

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Speaker 1: gets to do imperialism on the people of his own

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Speaker 1: country too, which brings us to the very fun story

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Speaker 1: of the Gates Foundation's war on public education. It's some

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Speaker 1: good ship, Andrew, it's some good ship. Now. It's probably

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Speaker 1: not gonna surprise you to learn that Bill and Melinda

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Speaker 1: also think the market can fix public education. Hilariously, he

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Speaker 1: diagnoses the problem with public education as a result of

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Speaker 1: the quote top down government man polie provider a k a.

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Speaker 1: The state. Now we could talk about how funny it

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Speaker 1: is that he's complaining education is bad because it's a monopoly,

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Speaker 1: and he's Bill Gates. He could laugh about that a lot,

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Speaker 1: and we will for a second. Yeah, oh god, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's also just like you had unlimited resources to have

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Speaker 1: your fucking horrible dork public school, and like our private

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Speaker 1: school sorry, but it's just like like thinking that that

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Speaker 1: is the norm, even for private education. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: it's it's interesting perspective because his the lesson from Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates's childhood is that number one, having more money going

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Speaker 1: to a school makes it a better school. Because he

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Speaker 1: was in a rich kids school and the moms were

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Speaker 1: able to raise money for a computer, which fucking nobody

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Speaker 1: had back then. He became a billionaire. Um. But his lesson,

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Speaker 1: the lesson he takes is not well, we should you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean he does. The Bill in mid Gates Foundation

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Speaker 1: does give computers to schools like they have. That's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that do. But their primary lesson isn't.

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Speaker 1: The primary lesson they take out of it isn't. And

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Speaker 1: like the other big thing it's not just that they

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Speaker 1: had the money, is that he got freedom. They altered

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Speaker 1: his education plan, bespoke to him and his interests to

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Speaker 1: make it work better for him, which I think is

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Speaker 1: the reasonable lesson to take, is like, oh, we should

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Speaker 1: taylor the kinds of educations kids receive to the kids

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Speaker 1: in their interests, because not only will that make them

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Speaker 1: more engage students, it will help them be more successful people.

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Speaker 1: That's not the lesson he gets out of this. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But also the competitive version of education that involves driving

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Speaker 1: cost down, you know, so that you can be the

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Speaker 1: winner of the school education providing game is the opposite

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Speaker 1: of what happened. Yes, he his education was involved tons

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Speaker 1: of resources being ship loads of resources thrown at him. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's the best way to educate a yeah, and

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Speaker 1: all that and freedom like yeah, yeah, it was a

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Speaker 1: mix of it. Um. But he wants to bring market logic.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know. To his credit, he does not want to.

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Speaker 1: He's not one of these guys that says we should

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Speaker 1: just privatize the whole education system. But he does want

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Speaker 1: to bring market logic to education, and that means that

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Speaker 1: schools should compete with each other or be shut down

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Speaker 1: and replaced if they don't perform well. During the early aughts,

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Speaker 1: the Gates Foundations started pouring tens of millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: into things like the Knowledge Is Power Program or KIP,

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Speaker 1: a chain of charter schools that Gates once described as

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Speaker 1: one of the very few places where great teachers are

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Speaker 1: being made. I'm gonna quote from the New Profits of

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Speaker 1: Capital to explain how these wonderful schools work. The KIP

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Speaker 1: schools follow an extended day strict disciplinary regime. Students learn

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Speaker 1: how to walk, get off the bus, and use the

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Speaker 1: restroom in the Kip way. Students are not allowed to

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Speaker 1: talk at school except to answer questions, and they have

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Speaker 1: to earn their desks. At some KIP school, students who

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Speaker 1: break minor rules are isolated and forced to wear signs

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Speaker 1: around their next that read miscreant or cretan. Again the

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Speaker 1: opposite of what made you successful. They didn't put you

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Speaker 1: in a room when you were a They made you

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Speaker 1: stop taking matt so you could do the thing you

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Speaker 1: were interested in, Like fucking hell Bill. It's also like

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Speaker 1: why why are all like billionaires or equivalent? Why do

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Speaker 1: they only have the same ideas about Like this is

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Speaker 1: some guilded age, it is some gilded ship. What is

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Speaker 1: wrong with you? We gotta make up? We got torture

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Speaker 1: sucking asshole. Keep schools are based on the work of

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Speaker 1: Martin Seligman, a psychologist whose work on learned helplessness has

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Speaker 1: also been adopted by the CIA, and they're enhanced interrogation

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Speaker 1: slash torture program when you're When your charter school has

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same intellectual DNA as the CIA

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Speaker 1: torture program. There might be a problem there. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe maybe the guys at Guantanama recoding all

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Speaker 1: sorts of rad software we just haven't seen. That's actually

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Speaker 1: where zoom came from. You that you can tell they

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Speaker 1: put a dude in a boo box and he made zoom. Uh. Now,

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Speaker 1: Advocates of this system will point out that KIP schools

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Speaker 1: have much higher test scores than normal schools. However, this

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Speaker 1: comes at the loss of many of their students. Kids

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Speaker 1: who don't get with the program are counseled out or expelled.

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Speaker 1: Only of them graduate. So the reason why KIP schools

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Speaker 1: have high test scores is they kick out the kids

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Speaker 1: who aren't good at that particular kind of school. This

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Speaker 1: is how charter schools work across the country, which isn't

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Speaker 1: to say there are an excellent I know some people

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Speaker 1: who went to very good charter schools and they're very

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Speaker 1: grateful for the educations that they got. We're not talking

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Speaker 1: about individual charter schools here. I'm sure there are a

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Speaker 1: number of people listening with good experiences. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: the trend, the national trend of how this program. The

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Speaker 1: programs work, um and this is a major trend among

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Speaker 1: charter schools, some of which suspend as many of half

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Speaker 1: of their students in a year, low performing students, kids

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Speaker 1: with emotional or psychological disabilities. These kids are denied admission

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Speaker 1: or purged. This is why in two thousand and fourteen

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Speaker 1: the Department of Education had to issue a guidance reminding

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Speaker 1: charter schools, but they had to obey civil rights loss.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing to have their mind. Kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all this like clase like libertarians. Yeah, it always is

645
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Speaker 1: like hey, but also you have to evade basic decent.

646
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Speaker 1: It's amazing because in twenty years there's going to be

647
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Speaker 1: a billionaire who fucking played BioShock as a kid, and

648
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Speaker 1: it's going to be like, I'm gonna give the schools

649
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Speaker 1: four million dollars to make rapture, but the high school

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Speaker 1: oh god, uh depressingly. I want to quote now from

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Speaker 1: a section of Diane Ravitch's book Reign of Error, which

652
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Speaker 1: is a pretty good title for a book about, you know,

653
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Speaker 1: problems in the education system. Many studies show that charters

654
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Speaker 1: enroll a disproportionately small share of students who are English

655
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Speaker 1: language learners or who have disabilities as compared with their

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Speaker 1: home district. A survey of expulsion rates in the District

657
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Speaker 1: of Columbia found that the charters, which enroll nearly half

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Speaker 1: of the student population of the district, expel large numbers

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Speaker 1: of children. The charter's expulsion rate is seventy two times

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Speaker 1: the expulsion rate in public schools. As the charters shun

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Speaker 1: those students, the local district gets a disproportionately large number

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Speaker 1: of the students who are most expensive and most challenging

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Speaker 1: to educate. When public students leave for charters, the budget

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Speaker 1: of the public school shrinks, leaving them less able to

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Speaker 1: provide a quality education to the vast majority of students.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking segregation dressed up as fixing the education system

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Speaker 1: by removing black and white kids from each other and

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Speaker 1: then defunding the schools that black kids go to because

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Speaker 1: they got kicked out of the kids the schools the

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Speaker 1: white kids are going to. Um, it's cool, it's cool.

671
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Speaker 1: It always his wines on that way, just so happens. Gosh, Gee, chucks,

672
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Speaker 1: How does this country founded on white supremacy and genocide

673
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Speaker 1: keep doing white supremacy and genocide? Gosh? Darn would who

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Speaker 1: would have thought? Uh? In two thousand eight, Gates embarked

675
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Speaker 1: on another program to apply his market logic to education.

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Speaker 1: He put more than a billion dollars into reforming low

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Speaker 1: income and minority schools. The basic idea was that they

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Speaker 1: develop a set of metrics to evaluate teachers with the

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Speaker 1: goal of retaining good ones and reshaping or removing bad

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Speaker 1: ones over the course of seven years. There was no

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Speaker 1: evidence that this program helped schools higher better teachers. They

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00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: just Burt's a billion dollars not doing anything. A rand

683
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: study showed no evidence of impact on student outcomes. From

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Speaker 1: a write up in Business Insider quote, the study concluded

685
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 1: that the initiative fared poorly because the school's got better

686
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: over time at implementing measures of teacher effectiveness, rather than

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Speaker 1: using those measures to actually improve student outcomes. It's they

688
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: taught to the test but for teachers. In his view,

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Speaker 1: the Gates Foundation initiative appears to have generally done more

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Speaker 1: harm than good. It cost a fortune green rights, it

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Speaker 1: produced significant political turmoil, and distracted from other more promising efforts.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to the Gates Foundation, that right

693
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Speaker 1: there is often the issue as much as any sort

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Speaker 1: of like mustache twirling evil Like. Sometimes it is like

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna circumcise all the black people, But a lot

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Speaker 1: of times it's just like, oh, well, let's well, let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's make like provide incentives to make teachers better,

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00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: and then huge amounts of resources go into making teachers

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Speaker 1: pass a test that a guy who doesn't know anything

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Speaker 1: about teaching help design, and so a lot of effort

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Speaker 1: is wasted that could have gone to actually helping kids,

702
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: but instead has gone to making things making it yeah anyway, um,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's because Gates pour so much money into

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Speaker 1: public health and education. His opinion is often the only

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00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: opinion that matters. So if he has a bad idea,

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00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: that bad idea gets a huge as it has to

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00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: be taken seriously. Better ideas get ignored, and effort gets wasted.

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Speaker 1: Here's another example of that. Starting in two thousand when

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Speaker 1: his foundation, when his foundation was new, Bill Gates decided

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Speaker 1: the big program with American education was that our schools

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Speaker 1: were too big. The whole system needed to be disrupted.

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Speaker 1: Large schools had to be broken up, more smaller schools

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Speaker 1: had to be created. He poured two billion dollars into

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Speaker 1: this program over the next nine years, which impacted fully

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Speaker 1: eight percent of the nation's public high schools from a

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Speaker 1: right up in Politico. So without a great deal of thought,

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Speaker 1: one school district after another signed onto the notion that

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Speaker 1: large public high school should be broken up and new

719
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Speaker 1: smaller school should be created. This was an inherently messy process.

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Speaker 1: The smaller schools proponents sometimes called them academies, would often

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Speaker 1: be shoehorned into premises into the premises of larger schools,

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Speaker 1: so you'd end up with two or three or more

723
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Speaker 1: schools competing for space and resources in one building. That

724
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Speaker 1: cost all sorts of headaches. Which schools would get to

725
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Speaker 1: use the science labs or the gym's, how would the

726
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Speaker 1: cafeterias be utilized? And who was responsible for policing the

727
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: brawls amongst students from high rival schools. The program, it's

728
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Speaker 1: just such a dumb idea. And like I went to

729
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Speaker 1: I graduated in two thousand and six. The year I graduated,

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Speaker 1: my school was the largest graduating class in US history,

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Speaker 1: and it was the largest the next year two and

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Speaker 1: the next. Plano schools are massive, they're some of the

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Speaker 1: largest schools in the world. Like high schools like two

734
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Speaker 1: thousand people was my graduating class something like that. Um,

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Speaker 1: they're really good schools, Like they're like, nationally some of

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Speaker 1: the best schools in the country. Obviously, plan it was

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Speaker 1: a lot of money part of why. But like, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't the fact that they're huge does not make them

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Speaker 1: worse schools. It's simply it's simply irrelevant. Now you can

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Speaker 1: argue class size might matter, but you can have small

741
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Speaker 1: classes in a huge school. It's it's fine. Um, yeah,

742
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: it's just fucking and yeah. Gates himself admitted in two

743
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Speaker 1: thousand eight that this program was a huge failure. Tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of US students had their educations disrupted because

745
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: a billionaire had a bad idea, and basically no one

746
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Speaker 1: in the media covered the fact that this had flopped.

747
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Speaker 1: Why would you. The Gates Foundation was doing another dozen

748
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Speaker 1: dazzling things that they were going to cover, not the

749
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Speaker 1: fact that, like, boy, it seems like a lot of

750
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: their stuff doesn't work. Also, they're circumcising millions of black

751
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: people and it's causing AIDS to get more deadly. But

752
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: also they underwrite n P but they do underwrite NPR. Well, yeah,

753
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: so it's like right, yeah, that's a significant chunk of

754
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: the media. Yep. Yeah. Now the sheer amount of ship

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Speaker 1: Bill and Melinda Gates have gotten up to over the

756
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: last years, we're leaving out a lot um. We could

757
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: talk more about standardized testing. We could talk more about

758
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: his agricultural reform in Africa, which really we ought to um,

759
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: but we've still got to talk about COVID vaccines and

760
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. So we're moving on. Let's talk about Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates Is sex life next? First? But first let's ask

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Speaker 1: the question on everyone's mind. Is he a grower or

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Speaker 1: a shower? I look, Sophie, I get paid the big

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Speaker 1: bucks to ask the hard questions, Okay, like how hard?

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Speaker 1: How hard does he get? Like? And I don't get

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Speaker 1: paid enough to listen to that. Honestly, Bill Gates doesn't

767
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: get paid enough to have to listen to that. Uh

768
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Speaker 1: products all right, So we're back and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates. Is Bill Gates's chungus I think is the

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Speaker 1: technical term for what he has. Yeah, anyway, it's probably

771
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Speaker 1: not going to surprise anybody to learn that Bill never

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Speaker 1: got better at flirting despite being one of the wealthiest

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Speaker 1: people to ever exist. He did grow more successful at

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Speaker 1: having sex, largely because he was one of the wealthiest

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Speaker 1: people to ever exist. His primary horning ground was Microsoft

776
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Speaker 1: and the Gates Foundation. Now earlier we discussed how he

777
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: met his wife while he was her boss. Well, he

778
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: met a lot of women in that way, in the

779
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Speaker 1: biblical way, while he was her their boss. In the

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Speaker 1: eight Windy Goldman Rome wrote a book titled The Microsoft File,

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Speaker 1: where she claimed Gates had frequent affairs with employees. She

782
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: alleged he'd started dating a sales manager in their German

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00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: office before he even started seeing Melinda. Gates met this

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Speaker 1: woman at a Microsoft corporate meeting in Monte Carlo. He

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Speaker 1: sent her an email after saying that seeing her energized him,

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Speaker 1: and adding I hope I didn't stare or anything. Gates

787
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: canceled his flight back to the US to flirt with her.

788
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Speaker 1: He sent her love letters, and the two embarked on

789
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Speaker 1: a brief affair, even though this one was by her

790
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: own admission, uncomfortable sleeping with her boss. Now we now

791
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Speaker 1: know this was a pattern for Bill. In two thousand six,

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Speaker 1: he attended a presentation by a female Microsoft employee. When

793
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Speaker 1: he left the meeting, he emailed the woman to ask

794
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: her out to dinner, writing, if this makes you uncomfortable,

795
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Speaker 1: pretend it never happened. But okay, I mean yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just don't understand it is simply a power. I mean,

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00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: why why do you need to do that? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: To your he's not it's not it's not a Weinstein thing.

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Speaker 1: He's not doing that because we have not heard any

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Speaker 1: evidence that he Obviously there's a power and balance to

801
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Speaker 1: discuss here, but I have an any of it. He's

802
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: not like he's not raping employees. I've never heard any

803
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: allegations of that. Um And in this case, he since

804
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Speaker 1: this ladies letters saying like, hey, let's go to dinner.

805
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Speaker 1: I'm a married billionaire. Uh but if I this makes

806
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, let's just pretend it never happened. And she did.

807
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: She decided she was uncomfortable, she ignored the email, and

808
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: Gates did not pursue her further. I haven't her dad

809
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: allegations that he harmed her career in any way. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's doing that. Like I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: penalizing women who don't get with him. That said, I

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Speaker 1: think it's pop. You could argue that like this woman

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Speaker 1: in Germany may have gotten with him because she was like,

814
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Speaker 1: maybe it'll hurt my career to not get with him. Right,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't matter as much if he did it, as

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00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: he's the CEO. Yeah. A year or so later, Gates

817
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Speaker 1: was on a business trip on behalf of the Gates Foundation.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like two seven two eight. He was traveling

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Speaker 1: with a female employee. During a cocktail party, he whispered

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Speaker 1: to her, I want to see you. Will you have

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Speaker 1: dinner with me? The woman says she felt uncomfortable and

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Speaker 1: laughed to avoid responding. From a write up in The

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Speaker 1: New York Times, quote six current and former employees of Microsoft,

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Speaker 1: the Foundation, and the firm that manages gates Fortune, said

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00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: those incidents and others more recently, at times created an

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable workplace environment. Mr Gates was known for making clumsy

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Speaker 1: approaches to women in and out of the office. His

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Speaker 1: behavior fueled widespread chatter among employees about his personal life.

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Speaker 1: Some of the employees said that while they disapproved of Mr.

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Speaker 1: Gates's behavior, they did not perceive it to be predatory.

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Speaker 1: They said he did not pressure women to submit to

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Speaker 1: his advances for the sake of their careers. And he

833
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: seemed to feel that he was giving the women's space

834
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Speaker 1: to refuse his advances. So again, we're not taught like technically,

835
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Speaker 1: technically yes, it's not a Weinstein thing, but it's not okay,

836
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Speaker 1: right like you you can you cannot be as bad

837
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: as Harvey right Weinstein industrial rapist, and your behavior is

838
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: still unacceptable. Um, because all, like, a work place is

839
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Speaker 1: not a fucking nightclub. If if Bill Gates had a

840
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: history of hitting on women awkwardly in nightclubs whatever, Like fine,

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Speaker 1: everyone has the right to be like to be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you want to fun and then be told no if

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00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: you're not being you know, bad about it. But this

844
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Speaker 1: is a workplace. These are his employees. He runs the company. Yeah,

845
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: it's not okay. Um again it's yeah so um. He

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Speaker 1: was also noted by his employees to be dismissive towards

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Speaker 1: his wife, Melinda, sometimes speaking to her during foundation meetings

848
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Speaker 1: in ways that made employees cringe. Um on its own.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if all of this would have merited

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Speaker 1: an inclusion in an episode is Packed as this one, right,

851
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Speaker 1: Compared to circumcising twelve million people and making an AIDS

852
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: epidemic course it's not on that level, but it all

853
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: helps set the stage that leads us, as all things

854
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Speaker 1: eventually lead Andrew to Jeffrey Epstein. Ye, Jepstein, Carly Ray Jeffstein.

855
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: That's a mash up of Jeffrey. I mean he did

856
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: say call me maybe, but then he also sexually trafficked teenagers.

857
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah it was it's the maybe that was taken out. Yeah,

858
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Hey, I just met you and this

859
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: is crazy, but get in the car or I will

860
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: have your life systematically destroyed. It's time for you to

861
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: be sexually traffics to the wealthiest men on the planet. Yeah,

862
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: not as not as catchy as as the original, but

863
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it but not as I think. It's got weights.

864
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: It's something there work well. Workshop this a whole album

865
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein themed pop song. I mean you could,

866
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: you could, you could like what is it that? What

867
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: is that? What's her name? That? The lady who wrote

868
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: the song monster? That one will work? Um? Yeah, the

869
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: red Corvette Jeffrey Epstein's jet Um babies grow up too

870
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: fast because of the child sex trafficking. That was the joke.

871
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure so by the mid

872
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: odds Bill Gates was clearly frustrated by in his marriage.

873
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: He was wealthy and powerful, but he had never enjoyed

874
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: the kind of success with young women that other billionaires

875
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: seemed to exhibit. You know, you've got Richard Branson like

876
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: regularly jet skiing naked with supermodels, which seems to be

877
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: his hobby. Um, Bill Gates doesn't do that kind of thing.

878
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: And I think this frustrates him. Um, and he doesn't

879
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: like he's clearly he's not personally like he's not like

880
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: enough of a predator or anything to like take it.

881
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, I don't know, it's weird, Like

882
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: you think, just Bill, just just pay sex workers to

883
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: hang out with you. You have the money. They'll be

884
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: happy too. You can find some very nice sex workers

885
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: who would love to make you look like you're cool

886
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: and sexy all the time. You'd feel great and nobody

887
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: would nobody reasonable would complain about it. Um. Yeah, anyway, Um,

888
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: he gets frustrated, and I think that his sexual frustration

889
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: is like that's like the bat signal to Jeffrey Epstein,

890
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: a billionaire who isn't getting laid as much as he wants.

891
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: Like Epstein could smell that ship from a mile away.

892
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: He's like a shark um. Now the two met. Epstein

893
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: and Gates meet in two thousand eleven, which is three

894
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: years after Epstein pled guilty to celesity soliciting sex from

895
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: a child. So you can't argue I had no idea

896
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: very public. Yeah, I'm going to quote from the New

897
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: York Times here. Mr Epstein and Mr Gates first met

898
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: face to face on the evening of January thirty one,

899
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, at Mr Epstein's town house on the

900
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: Upper East Side. They were joined by Dr Eva Anderson Dubin,

901
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: a former Miss Sweden who Mr Epstein had once dated,

902
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: and her fifteen year old daughter. Dr Anderson Dubin's husband,

903
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: the hedge fund billionaire Glenn Dubin, was a friend in

904
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: business associate of Mr Epstein's. The gathering started at eight

905
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: and lasted several hours, according to Miss Arnold, Mr gates

906
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: is spokes woman. Mr Epstein subsequently boasted about the meeting

907
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: and emails to friends and associates. Bill's great, he wrote

908
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: in one reviewed by The Times. Mr Gates, in turn,

909
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: praised Mr Epstein's charm and intelligence. Emailed in colleagues the

910
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: next day, he said, a very attractive Swedish woman and

911
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: her daughter dropped by, and I ended up staying there

912
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: until quite late. Which why would why would you mention that?

913
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: Why would you phrase it that way? Bill, that's your work?

914
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: Email Christ to Epstein. Bill was the ultimate whale, a

915
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: wealthy man child who could be separated from some of

916
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: his money in exchange for access to women. Epstein pitched

917
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Gates an idea for a charitable fund seated by Gates

918
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Foundation money and donations by other rich guys he knew.

919
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: So Epstein's like, you put in a bunch of money

920
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: I can get we could make, like we can make

921
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: like tens of billions of dollars we could raise to

922
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: do to make a huge charity fund. And of course

923
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: Epstein's proposal included a suggestion that he be paid point

924
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: three percent of whatever money he raised, which would of

925
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: course be tens of millions of dollars for him. Now,

926
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: the good news is that Bill hires smart people. Uh,

927
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: and the people who run his foundation that he sent

928
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: to meet with Epstein spotted him as a con man. Immediately, Um,

929
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: They're like, well this guy is full of ship. Nick Grifter, Like,

930
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: we shouldn't get involved with him, but Bill remained fascinated

931
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: with Epstein. He visited Epstein's mansion at least three times.

932
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: He's on his plane. I think he went to the island.

933
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: At one point, he emailed colleagues, I don't know, maybe

934
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: maybe I don't. I could probably have looked that up,

935
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: but I'm a hack and a fraud. Um. But at

936
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: one point Epstein emailed colleagues his lifestyle is very different

937
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and kind of intriguing, although it would not work for me.

938
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: When questioned about what this meant after Epstein's death, Gates

939
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: claimed he was referring to the decor of Jeffrey's mansion.

940
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: J Yeah, that's that's what you meant, buddy. Yeah. Bill

941
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: apparently talked about his unhappiness in his marriage with Epstein,

942
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: and to be frank, we don't know the precise dimensions

943
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: of their relationship. We don't know what Bill did or

944
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: did not get up to Depstein. We don't have conclusive

945
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: information about any of that, which is why it's probably

946
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: going to get us in trouble. To title this podcast,

947
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: Bill Gates sex offender and also sex offender um for sure,

948
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: Bill Gates, the dick chopping sex offender of Epstein's Island, Um,

949
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: something like that. In that one business affairs is ears

950
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: are perking up now you're The actual fact of the

951
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: matter is, we cannot ever include circumcision in a title

952
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: because that immediately makes it a hot spot for the

953
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: kind of arguments you do not want to get involved in. Um,

954
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: don't ever say circumcision on the internet. That's all I'm

955
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna say on the matter. Um. It immediately goes off

956
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: the rails, like like it's like it's it's like talking

957
00:52:50,920 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: about Palestine, like yeah, so um yeah. Again, we don't

958
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: know exactly what Bill did with Epstein. We know Melinda

959
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: did meet with Epstein and Bill on one occasion, like

960
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: she and Bill met Epstein um, And she has claimed

961
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: that this like event still haunts her. I think it

962
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: was in two thousand thirteen, And she seems to have

963
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: gotten increasingly furious about Bill's relationship with Epstein after two thirteen.

964
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen, she started talking to advisors about

965
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: divorcing her husband. And that's more or less where we

966
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: are now. Just a few weeks before this episode was recorded,

967
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: Microsoft corporate board members decided Bill Gates needed to step

968
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: down from the board. While they pursued an investigation into

969
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: an inappropriate relationship he may have had with a female

970
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: Microsoft employee. Gates claims the decision to transition off the

971
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: board was purely due to his desire to spend more

972
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: time with on philanthropy um And this I think brings

973
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: us to the last bit of our journey through the

974
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: life of Billiam Gates, his role in the COVID nineteen

975
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: pandemic and the current intellectual property status of its most

976
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: successful vaccines. So this is that part of it, right

977
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: is nineteen pages to get to nineteen plages and a

978
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: surprising number of circumcisions right, way, way more circumcisions than

979
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: I anticipated. Initiative. I was gonna if you'd if you'd

980
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: asked me to wager the start, how many millions of

981
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: circumcisions do you think you're going to be involved in

982
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: this story? You probably would not have said twelve. I

983
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: think that's fair now. The first Gates Foundation initiative geared

984
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: towards fighting the plague was actually rather modest. On March eleven,

985
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: two days before the who declared a pandemic, the Foundation

986
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: started what they called the Therapeutics Accelerator, a joint initiative

987
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: with MasterCard and a charity called the Welcome Trust to

988
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: identify and develop treatments to the virus. And again, as

989
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: far as I could tell, I think Mastercard's only role

990
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: in this is because it will make them look good,

991
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: right like that, Well, we'll have Macrosoft involved, that will

992
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: be good for their image, like MasterCard, MasterCard, Like well,

993
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: you know know you've we've all been seen, like a

994
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: car accident happened, and the first thing an injured person

995
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: cries out for his MasterCard. You know, sometimes Visa shows

996
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: up and it's just a real tragedy. Um, I always

997
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: gave a MasterCard and my emergency kit. The fuck. But

998
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: what this means is that from the beginning, Gates placed

999
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: burnishing the public image of a finance company on equal

1000
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: footing with actual virology. In April, with the entire country

1001
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: locked the funk down and the virus just beginning to bite,

1002
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Bill Gates launched the COVID nineteen Act Accelerator. This program

1003
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: was geared towards organizing the research, development, manufacture, and distribution

1004
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: of treatments and vaccines. Like everything the Gates Foundation funds,

1005
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: this was a public private partnership based around using charity

1006
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: to entice corporations to do the right thing by making

1007
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: it profitable. This was one of a number of programs

1008
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: all geared at funding vaccine research, but unlike most of those,

1009
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: the Accelerator was from the start focused on respecting the

1010
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: exclusive intellect actual property claims of whoever won the vaccine

1011
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: race from a right up a new republic. It's explicit

1012
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: arguments that intellectual property rights won't present problems for meeting

1013
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: global demand or ensuring equitable access, and that they must

1014
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: be protected even during a pandemic carry it the enormous

1015
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: weight of Gates's reputation as a wise, beneficent and prophetic leader.

1016
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: As vaccine research proceeded, a lot of people suggested that

1017
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: when one was developed, the recipe should basically be open source,

1018
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: so that any country with the capacity could make it

1019
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: without paying to license it. Gates fought against this. COVACS,

1020
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: which is the largest arm of his COVID Response organization,

1021
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: proposed instead that poor countries should have vaccines donated to

1022
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: them by rich countries who would fund this through vaccine

1023
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: sales and wealthier countries. It was hoped that this would vaccine.

1024
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: This was not to vaccinite all of them this was

1025
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: to vaccinate about twenty percent of people in load of

1026
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: middle income countries. After that, those governments would have to

1027
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: bid and compete on the open market for access to vaccines.

1028
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: So one side of this is saying the vaccine should

1029
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: be open so is and equally available to everybody, to

1030
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: be manufactured everywhere for as close to free as humanly possible.

1031
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: And Bill Gates says, what if instead we do it

1032
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: for money and we donate of the necessary vaccines to

1033
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: poor people. Yeah, they'll they'll never learn, they'll they'll never

1034
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: learn how to teach themselves how to stay alive unless

1035
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: we make them work for it. It's like an e

1036
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: m T stay alive. You have like three gunshot wounds,

1037
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: and e MT like shows up and like bandages one

1038
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: of them and then says, well, if I if I

1039
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: handle the rest for you, you're never gonna learn how

1040
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: to bandage your own gun shot wounds. So I'm gonna

1041
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: if you if you can pay for the gauss like,

1042
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: I'll let you mix yourself again. You take his big

1043
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: picture logic about healthcare and apply it to an actual

1044
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: health problem, and it's immediately nonsense. Like, it's just very

1045
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: clearly a bad idea. But because you're talking about the

1046
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: big picture, people think he's smarter. Now. Many people wore

1047
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: that his ideas were horrible and that by fighting against

1048
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: the idea of a people's vaccine, he was essentially saying

1049
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: it was fine for people to die to protect the

1050
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: concept of intellectual property. Manuel Martin, a policy advisor for

1051
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: Doctors Without Porters, has since said that people in the

1052
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Gates administration we're central in pushing a global line that

1053
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: quote i P is not an access barrier in vaccines.

1054
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: Of course, the only reason to have i P is

1055
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: to make an access barriers. Of i P is about

1056
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: reducing access. That's the only reason for it to exist. Like,

1057
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: which is not to say there's zero thing like obviously,

1058
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: like I'm a I'm not gonna like, but it's like

1059
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: there's zero reason for the kind of i P that

1060
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: he wants to exist, like obviously like and it's obviously

1061
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: it always winds up like it's it's one of it

1062
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: would be one of those things if like, I don't know,

1063
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: the people who invented the Avengers and Superman and stuff

1064
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Speaker 1: got to make money off of their things instead of

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Speaker 1: these gigantic syndicates using IP law to anyway, Well, everything

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Speaker 1: Disney does, like funk all of this ship is what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like I I believe in the ability of

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Speaker 1: an artist to have control over their art obviously, um

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Speaker 1: and for the record, I think that if you're I

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Speaker 1: think for I think, for example, one of the things

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Speaker 1: we as a society could do is when we have

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Speaker 1: a global pandemic and an international team of heroic researchers

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: creates vaccines in record time, maybe we should make sure

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Speaker 1: none of them ever have to worry about anything financial

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Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives. Like, yeah, maybe that's

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Speaker 1: the thing we could do is the planet. Yeah, yeah,

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00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: actual Tony Stark happened, and yet we couldn't manage to

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Speaker 1: do anything good. It's because the people who did the

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Speaker 1: amazing thing weren't Tony Stark's. They were international teams of

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Speaker 1: of of very dedicated researchers whose names most people will

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Speaker 1: never know and also should know because they will get

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Speaker 1: assassinated by lunatics like you think. And there is no

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Speaker 1: Tony Well. Tony Stark is the one saying this thing

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Speaker 1: other people invented, uh should be profitable to a group

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Speaker 1: of people separate from the people who invented it, um

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Speaker 1: and other it's worth human death for this to be

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Speaker 1: the way it works. Um. And again, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to i P, if you're talking about like a novel

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Speaker 1: or like Mickey Mouse or whatever, right, we can argue

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Speaker 1: about how like bad it is culturally, but it's at

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Speaker 1: it worst modest harm because again you're talking about Mickey Mouse.

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Speaker 1: When we're talking about vaccines, you're literally talking about restricting

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Speaker 1: who gets life saving medicine. That's what i P protections

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Speaker 1: are for vaccines is a restriction on whose life gets saved.

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Speaker 1: James Love is the founder and director of Knowledge Ecology International,

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: a think tank that studies the pharmaceutical industry in i P.

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01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: He's been involved in global public health policy as long

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Speaker 1: as Bill Gates and has analyzed his impact for quite

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Speaker 1: a while. He points out that at the start there

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Speaker 1: was a fight between a pooling approach advised by groups

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01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: like the w h o C TAP, which basically what

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Speaker 1: have said, we should pool research. Any research done anywhere

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01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: in the world should be available to all researchers working

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Speaker 1: on this program. We should open source the entire process

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Speaker 1: of research, the vaccine process, all of the studies into

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01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: its effect, all of this should be pulled together. We

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Speaker 1: should pool knowledge. You may recognize this is exactly the

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Speaker 1: same thing computer nerds were doing in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 1: when Bill Gates wrote an angry open letter at them.

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Speaker 1: They were pooling their knowledge to improve a thing. Bill

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: Gates got really fucking angry. And of course, when this

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Speaker 1: happened with a vaccine, Bill Gates fought like a devil

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Speaker 1: against it. Quote. Things could have gone either way, says Love,

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: but Gates wanted exclusive rights, maintained. He acted fast to

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Speaker 1: stop the push for sharing the knowledge needed to make

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Speaker 1: the products, the know how, the data, the cell lines,

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: the tech transfer, the transparency that is critically important in

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Speaker 1: a dozen ways. The pooling approach represented by c TAP

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Speaker 1: included all of that. Instead of backing those early discussions,

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Speaker 1: he raced ahead and signaled support for business as usual

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: on intellectual property by announcing the ACT Accelerator in March.

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Speaker 1: And how did Gates's public private partnership work? One year later?

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Speaker 1: His ACT Accelerator has completely failed in its goal of

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Speaker 1: providing discounted vaccines to the Priority five of the world's

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Speaker 1: poorest people. The drug companies and wealthy nations that supported

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Speaker 1: his plan have all made bilateral agreements that basically said

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Speaker 1: fuck poor countries. As Peter Hoton's, dean of the National

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Speaker 1: School of Tropical Medicine, said, the low and middle income

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Speaker 1: countries are pretty much on their own and there's just

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Speaker 1: not much out there. Despite their best efforts, the Gates

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: model and its intent and its institutions are still industry dependent. Now.

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01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: The ACT Accelerator is also technically part of the w

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Speaker 1: h O, but it is funded, managed, and staffed mostly

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Speaker 1: by Gates Foundation people. It has ensured that globally rich

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Speaker 1: countries and respect for intellectual property have been prioritized over

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Speaker 1: human lives. From New Republic quote companies partnering with Kovacs

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01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: are allowed to set their own tiered prices. They are

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01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: subject to almost no transparency requirements and to toothless contractual

1139
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: nods to equitable access that have never been enforced. Crucially,

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: the companies retain exclusive rights to their electoral property. If

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01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: they stray from their Gates Foundation line on exclusive rights,

1142
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: they're quickly brought to heal. When the director of Oxford's

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01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: Jenner Institute had funny ideas about placing the rights to

1144
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: it's KOVAC supported vaccine candidate in the public domain, Gates intervened,

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Speaker 1: As reported by Kaiser Health News. A few weeks later, Oxford,

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: urged on by the Billy Melinda Gates Foundation, reversed course

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: and signed an exclusive vaccine deal with Astra Zeneca that

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01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: gave the pharmaceutical giant soul rights to know and no

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01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: guarantee of low prices. So, yeah, it's so weird to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's how you control the market

1151
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: is make sure everyone thinks that the same, like, by

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01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: the same rules you want. But it's like who gives

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01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: a ship if someone else gives away their property, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: their intellectual property, but obviously it's it's you know again,

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Speaker 1: I keep going back to Jonah Salk, one of the

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Speaker 1: human kind's greatest heroes, who, when asked if he was

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Speaker 1: going to patent the polio vaccine, said you might as

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Speaker 1: well patent the sun, to which Bill Gates responded, that's

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good idea. Yeah, can you did you

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Speaker 1: are working? Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's exactly the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. So he would have strong armed Jonas Salk

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Speaker 1: into not do Yeah, he would have. He would have.

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Speaker 1: He would not have not a listened to Jonas about

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Speaker 1: that ship. Gates can hardly disguise his contempt for the

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Speaker 1: growing interest in intellectual property barriers. In recent months, as

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Speaker 1: the debate has shifted from the w h O to

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Speaker 1: the w t O, reporters have drawn testy responses from

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Speaker 1: Gates that hearkened back to his prickly performances before Congressional

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Speaker 1: anti trust hearings a quarter century ago. When a Fast

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Speaker 1: Company reporter raised the issue in February, she described Gates

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Speaker 1: raising his voice slightly and laughing and frustration before snapping,

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Speaker 1: it's irritating that this issue comes up here. This isn't

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Speaker 1: about i P, but it is about i P. There

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Speaker 1: is very little, really little, real disagreement among epidemiologists here.

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Speaker 1: Gates's own arguments have been petulant and childish. He has suggested,

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Speaker 1: for example, that India, which makes more vaccines than any

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Speaker 1: other country, can't be trusted to safely manufacture it's COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen vaccines. He has called advocates of poor countries spoiled,

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Speaker 1: telling Reuters, it's the classic situation in global health where

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Speaker 1: advocates all of a sudden want the vaccine for zero dollars,

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Speaker 1: and right away we paid for this with public money.

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Speaker 1: Bill it should be free because the plague sucks, like

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Speaker 1: god damn it. Like hello, Bill, this is the only

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Speaker 1: way this comes to a stop. Yeah, you don't even

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: have to have the fucking like anarchist, altruist, you know,

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: human positive at it. You should be like, well, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to be free because I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to bars, like I want to be able to drink

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Speaker 1: in a bar. Give away the vaccine. I want to

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Speaker 1: go on vacation in Mexico. Give everyone the vaccine for free.

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01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: Like there's a selfish way to justify this too, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's amazing. Um. When he has been challenged

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Speaker 1: that his capitalist approach to vaccinating the world is dumb

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Speaker 1: and evil, especially since the vaccines were developed largely with

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Speaker 1: public money, including ten years have publicly funded m R

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Speaker 1: and A vaccine research that made up the entire underpinning

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Speaker 1: of these vaccines, he has responded with snide comments about socialism,

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Speaker 1: saying North Korea doesn't have that many vaccines. As far

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Speaker 1: as we can tell, this is true. I think James

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Speaker 1: Love probably put it best if you said to an

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Speaker 1: ordinary person, we're in a pandemic. Let's figure out everyone

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: who can make vaccines and give them everything they need

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01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 1: to get online as fast as possible. It would be

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Speaker 1: a no brainer. But Gates won't go there, neither will

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Speaker 1: the people dependent on his funding. He has immense power.

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01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: He can get you fired from a u win job.

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: He knows that if you want to work in global

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Speaker 1: public health, you'd better not make an enemy of the

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Speaker 1: Gates Foundation by questioning its positions on IPM monopolies. And

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of advantages to being on his team.

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Speaker 1: It's a sweet, comfortable ride for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: The good news is that it does look like Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates is more on the losing side of this issue

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Speaker 1: than the winning one. Biden has recently somewhat reluctantly committed

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Speaker 1: to a more open approach to sharing vaccines and vaccine ingredients.

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: Gates himself has partly walked back his own commitment to

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Speaker 1: an ip focused vaccine rollout after massive backlash. But for

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: a lot of dead people, the damage is done already.

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Speaker 1: No one should be surprised about the toxic impact Gates

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Speaker 1: has had on the COVID nineteen rollout in public health

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Speaker 1: in general. He has been extremely consistent his entire life,

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Speaker 1: from his first letter to the Computer hobbyist community to

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Speaker 1: the corpse fires burning in the streets of the global South.

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Speaker 1: This is what you get when you let one man

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Speaker 1: born to the most inconceivable privilege of perhaps any human

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Speaker 1: in history, make life and death decisions for billions of strangers. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I don't like Bill Gates a lot. Yeah, I know,

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01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: not into it. It's so common though. I will just

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Speaker 1: say I think this is this is as far as

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Speaker 1: the planet goes, and you know, his peers go, this

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Speaker 1: might be the least bastardy bastard we've done, in spite

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Speaker 1: of on some of the most past I mean, to

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Speaker 1: be fair, King Leopold, yeah you've done. He's definitely mean.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a question of um King Leopold's death toll. Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can argue to a degree, like the

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Speaker 1: violence that's ongoing in the Congo someone side to him,

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: but the numbers, you don't know how many people Bill

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Speaker 1: gates Is impact are going to die as a result

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01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: of the impact he's had on global health. And it

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Speaker 1: might be in that live safe to be honest, because

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01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: of the fucking malarious ship. But like it's it's it's hard.

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Speaker 1: He's done so much. It's really difficult for parts out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's I I think though it is it is a

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Speaker 1: little bit that history of you know, is a great

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Speaker 1: manner is it forces thing? Because I will say the

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Speaker 1: evil Bill Gates has done would easily have been done

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01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: by someone else. In fact, actively there are other people

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Speaker 1: pursuing you know, that's sort of like benevolent but market driven,

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Speaker 1: just like any American billionaire. Yeah, I mean is a

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Speaker 1: candidate to do cisely one, but Bill Gates is the

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: one who did it. Yeah, And it's it's the So

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01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: it's a kind of thing where um, yes, this is

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: a system problem. The system failure is that he accumulated

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Speaker 1: enough money to be able to do this, um as

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: opposed to that money going into taxes and then maybe

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Speaker 1: us deciding as a nation, well let's provide aid to

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Speaker 1: other countries to build up their health vote on it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess I would just say any American billionaire would

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Speaker 1: almost by definition have the lack of perspective in a

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Speaker 1: very similar way to build absolutely that that his his

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Speaker 1: actions I guess seemed inevitable had had he been hit

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Speaker 1: by a bus, had he fallen off the mountain, Yeah,

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: the other would have done this the fucking briefcase boy

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01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: would have would have been this person it hadn't have

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Speaker 1: been built. I guess that's what I What I mean

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Speaker 1: is it's like this, this feel it's like less like

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Speaker 1: specifically Bill unique bastardom. That's gonna be my argument on this. Yeah,

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01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: they're all yeah, I mean, yes, yes. The the answer

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Speaker 1: is the actual bastard Here is a system that lets

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Speaker 1: individuals accumulate billions of dollars by by modifying every single thing,

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Speaker 1: even though the only reason they were able to make

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Speaker 1: those money that money is because a lot of nicer

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Speaker 1: people didn't co modify cool shit in order to make

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Speaker 1: it better. Yum and yeah, it's it's it's truly this

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Speaker 1: like thinking they did it on their own. Um that like,

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Speaker 1: that's the lack of perspective. I think what's important about

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Speaker 1: the Bill Gates story is covering things like okay, well,

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Speaker 1: because people are sharing and trading software for free, first off,

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Speaker 1: it helps, it creates the industry he succeeds in, and

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Speaker 1: then using his product for free and sharing, it creates

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Speaker 1: the demand that allows him to get rich in the

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Speaker 1: first place, and he then makes what made him He

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Speaker 1: makes this thing a legal Basically um. And he does

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Speaker 1: that with everything his whole life. This um. You know,

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Speaker 1: he he benefits fundamentally from the public sector, from pooled

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Speaker 1: resources of the community being invested in him, and he

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Speaker 1: takes that and turns that into personal wealth and turns

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Speaker 1: that into When he does give that away, he only

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Speaker 1: does it in whatever way he personally thinks is best.

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Speaker 1: Because all that matters is what Bill thinks, and it is.

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Speaker 1: It makes it clear covering this guy's story, covering the

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Speaker 1: story of the Homebrew Computer Club, those are the guys,

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Speaker 1: and talking about you know, the scientists using public money

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Speaker 1: who developed these vaccines that then became an engine for profit.

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Speaker 1: It makes it clear. And what's important about this story

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Speaker 1: because it's not just Bill. These people are parasites. These

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Speaker 1: people are parasites. That's what that's what is happening here.

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Speaker 1: This is the story of a parasite who got fat

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Speaker 1: off of public investments that gave him an incredible opportunity

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Speaker 1: which he then used to pull the rug out from

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Speaker 1: under the circumcised twelve million people. Yeah, and then and

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Speaker 1: then it's like, why you mad at me for sucking

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Speaker 1: all this blood? Yeah yeah, yeah, nobody else gets blood. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I'll give some away for free to MasterCard. Uh god,

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Speaker 1: damn it, God, this is cool. Yeah, it's it's fucking rad, dude.

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Speaker 1: You love to see it, well, Andrew, Yeah, you gotta

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Speaker 1: got a puble maybe two plug doubles. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: just uh, you know it's this racist. We went independent

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Speaker 1: as a podcast, so you can go to suboptimal pods

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Speaker 1: dot com and find out how to get some of

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Speaker 1: the premium content. By the way I should pitch my

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Speaker 1: favorite piece of premium content is I'm a person who

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Speaker 1: I've like blocked by hand. This is not with a

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Speaker 1: blocklist like over people. That's amazing, Andrew, that's incredible. One

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Speaker 1: I will consider unblocked. We stand a blocking king. That's

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Speaker 1: self care. I recently turned off notifications for anyone I

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Speaker 1: don't follow, and I know I should. No single thing

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Speaker 1: I've ever done has improved my mental health more than that.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. I just don't see ship that other people

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Speaker 1: post if I don't like them already. It's great. Um,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, that's where I should be. It is,

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Speaker 1: It's where we should all be. Anyway, this has been

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Speaker 1: behind the bastards. Uh, find Bill Gates in the street. Um,

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Speaker 1: but don't just stop at build gates. That's I think

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Speaker 1: to me. The lesson is you got to work your

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Speaker 1: way down the centers of capital and distribute it to

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Speaker 1: the people, um back to because we we gave him,

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Speaker 1: We gave him the indents, we gave him, we gave

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Speaker 1: him the idea for graphical user interfaces. We did we

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Speaker 1: did that. So take his money and use it to

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Speaker 1: buy vaccines and rifles for the global South. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: your money, your money, it's it's I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: the end of the episode, all right,