WEBVTT - A Visit From Kevin Harlan 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.559 From the King of Sports Books becomes the key sports 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:20.400 podcast Unleashed presented by MGM. Here's your host, Olivia Harlan Decker. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:31.800 Welcome into Unleashed by bet MGM. I am very, very 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.760 excited for today's episode. This is a real treat for me. 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.120 A lot of you loyal listeners have heard me talk 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.800 about my dad on here before. Some of our guests 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.480 have even brought him up before I did. Jalen Rose 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.240 called him the Goat, which I wholeheartedly agree with. He's 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.760 played by play announcer Kevin Harland and he is my 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:53.199 co host this week. Hi Dad Hilvy, how are you, sweetie? 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.080 Good to see you. I'm good. Sound like did don't? 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:01.640 I just like I did? Hi? Sweet Yeah? Uh you know. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.040 And you're in Phoenix. You just finished up the Phoenix 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.640 Denver game. You're covering that series, so I want to 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.279 to start there quickly before we get more into your story. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.160 But I mean, what a game two teams people are 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.920 so excited about. You must be excited to be assigned 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.959 this series, I am. I thought this was one of 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.800 the more electric series that took us to the second round. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.560 I'm a fan of both these coaches. I truly admire. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.480 Sometimes we we get coaches, you're just kind of you know, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.120 But these are two guys that I respect so much, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.320 not only as basketball coaches, but as men, and how 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.759 they lead, how they have changed cultures, live at two 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:46.520 places that needed some revampment. And they've taken superstar players, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.960 They've messed them with role players, they've built benches, but 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.080 they built cultures, a winning culture, culture of you know, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:00.880 work and teamwork and team first attitude. So it's been terrific. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.320 Chris Paul was great in Game one, Mickael Bridges over 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.440 twenty points. Devin Booker did what he needed to do, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.600 and probably at the core of this series is the 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.760 center matchup with Yokich for Denver and Eighten with Phoenix, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.400 and all Eton has to do is basically stay step 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.760 for step and not get in foul trouble guarding Yoki, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.359 which is a chore, and he did that last night 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.600 and they won handling. So if that's a precursor, this 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.920 is gonna be an interesting series, and I think Denver 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.959 will certainly give him a shot. But Phoenix looks very 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.560 good coming off their first series went off of the 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.320 defending champion Lakers, and hey, even bigger news for you 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.840 personally if this was your first game in an arena 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.280 in what over a year. Yeah, we had done that 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.959 the m c A tournament for CBS and Turner in Indianapolis, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.120 but we were in a bubble. We were in arenas 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.080 and off the floor. We were not traveling around. We 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.760 stayed in one city. Yeah, this is kind of nice 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.919 to get back out there. And they were very limited 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.120 in attendance, only a couple of thousand people at the 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:10.560 n c A tournament games, parents, family, friends, some school administrators. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:19.600 This is unleashed, unleashed bedlam, seventeen thousand people in the 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.280 building and full throat, and it was exciting and energizing 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.320 and actually weird. I was working with with Reggie Miller, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.360 and I said, it's odd to be seeing it with 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.280 the naked eye because we've been doing games with so 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.040 long off of monitors, and your hesitant when you do 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.760 it off a monitor, But when you're there, you could 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.800 have your quick twitch call and those are always fun. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.240 And last night was a blast to be back in 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.200 in a full, full theater. I thought both you and 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.280 Reggie sounded so great last night. You know, you take 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.560 this for granted. You've been doing this, however, many years, 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.960 and to get back in there that that had to 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.160 be a lot of fun and it was a lot 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.640 of fun to watch. But man, those fans were electric 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.520 and deservedly so. They're too looked great. I want to 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.800 go over quickly your bio for those who don't know, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.040 if we've mentioned you do NBA on T and T, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.160 college basketball on CBS, NFL on CBS Monday Night Football, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.800 and the Super Bowl on Westwood One. If you're of 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.920 a certain age. For some of our viewers, you may 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.440 know him best as the voice of NBA two K, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.039 the video game. And you've made history as calling the 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.560 most consecutive Super Bowls. The count is now up to eleven, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.120 passing Jack Buck a couple of years ago. That's impressive. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.479 And you also made history a couple of years ago 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.400 as part of the first father daughter tandem to call 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.960 an NFL game. You can talk more about that later. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.400 And something I'm very proud of you for two time 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.800 National Sportscaster of the Year winner that's voted on by 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.320 your peers, and I know that has meant so much 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.279 to you. Before we get much deeper in your story, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.800 what's something you're you're more excited about that's ahead of you. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.400 You've accomplished so much, what's like a benchmark or an 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.200 award or some opportunity that you still want to accomplish. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.000 You know, I'm I'm pretty comfortable just trying to evolve 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.760 in what I'm doing right now. It's hard to maintain 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.920 in this business, to keep the jobs at a certain 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.600 address and to stay at a high level. And that's 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.920 enough of a challenge for me. I think sometimes, and 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.080 you and I have talked our upon our upon hour 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.480 about if you're looking too far ahead, you're not looking 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.960 at what's right in front of you. So for me, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.360 the most important thing right now is Game two coming 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.400 up tomorrow night Phoenix, between the Nuggets and the Suns. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.200 We all want to, you know, we all aspire to 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.600 be the best we can be. And I think if 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.320 we're looking at I want to I want to get 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.839 there there, or I want to do this, or I 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.160 want to have that, I think we're missing the message 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.520 in the successful people in this world handle what's in 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.160 front of them the best, and I strive to do that. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:55.720 So the challenge of just staying current and evolving and 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.320 making sure I get better every broadcast. That's enough for me, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.240 right now, that's enough of a challenge. And then I've 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.640 always felt as I've again told you and you've heard 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.400 piece and nauseam. But if you're trying to please other people, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.359 if you're trying to look beyond and engage yourself on 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.800 what others are doing, that's a fools Aaron. You're never 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.280 gonna as a black hole. You're you're never going to emerge. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.400 So just be the best that you can be and 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.440 let things happen the way they're naturally supposed to happen. Now, 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.599 it's hard to bring up your trajectory and your start 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.240 in the business without bringing up your dad. And it's 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.359 a question I get all the time. What's it like 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.400 having a dad in the industry. You get it all 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.280 the time because especially the people of an older generation 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.719 know so much what your dad did with the Green 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.680 Bay Packers and have such reverence for the importance of 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.120 his role in that franchise. His dad, Bob Harlan, is 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.440 my grandfather, Papa Boy's president and CEO of the Green 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.400 Bay Packers for almost twenty years. Dad, just as you 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.520 grew up, especially when I think back the furthest as 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.520 like a ball boy at Green Bay Packers training camp. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:04.239 And mean, how much influence did that early access half 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.159 on your career and just kind of what you wrap 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.000 what you absorbed from watching your dad work, Well, it 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.960 shaped everything. It gave me a look behind the curtain. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.680 It showed me what professional sports was like. And I 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.800 think if you're ever around it, you're molded by it 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.440 and influenced by it. And I certainly was so that 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.880 portion being in press boxes, being on NFL sidelines. My 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.000 dad before that, as you know, your grandfather's with the 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.160 Baseball Cardinals and St. Louis when they had Bob Gibson 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.880 and Roger Marris and Orlando Cepeda and Joe Tory and 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.960 Lou Brock and Kurt Flood and all those magnificent, magnificent 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.560 Cardinal players in the sixties. And I used to go 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.920 down to training camp. I used to be a bat 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.040 boy at Bush Stadium, sitting back at home plate and 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.440 chart games, sat in the back of Jack Buck and 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.440 Harry Carey's booth at Camboex broadcasting at Bush Stadium. So 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.160 I got to see things that other kids didn't. And 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.000 when you talk about having an advantage, yep, I agree. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.600 I was exposed two things that most kids don't dream about, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.000 and was so fortunate. And that's truly one of the 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.040 only reasons why I am where I am right now, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.080 is that I began at a young age in my mind, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.920 was directed in that portion of the business, in media 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.680 and broadcasting, and it did everything. The other part of it, Olivia, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.480 is that Joe ju is watching my dad deal with people. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.440 He treated as the CEO of the Packers, as the 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.600 president of the Green Bay Packers, he treated the lowest 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:35.560 employee as well as he treated the starting quarterback or 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.640 the vice president or whoever he was dealing with. He 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.120 treated everybody the same. And when you watch someone act 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.880 in everyday life like that, you can't help but be 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.440 influenced by it. And I truly felt that that was 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.160 a big component of his success, his rise. He always said, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.640 I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but dealing 0:08:55.679 --> 0:09:00.280 with people, listening to people, understanding them was a big 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.760 part of his success. And so I've followed that, and 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.920 I think you've taken after your grandfather too, because I 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.319 worked with someone last night here in Phoenix who had 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.760 worked with you in an ESPN game, and they said, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.000 your daughter is the only one who says thank you 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.760 after every little thing that I would do. Oh my gosh. Yeah, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.920 And you've done bowl games out here in the Valley 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.520 of the Sun, so they know you out here. If 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.440 they know you out here from your sideline work with 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.079 the ESPN, and you know, it makes your father proud 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.360 to hear those kind of stories, and you and I 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.439 feel very fortunate we're in this business, blessed beyond measure. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.760 And so when you hear those stories, you know, you 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.599 feel like, let's treat others the way you want to 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.320 be treated. And I saw my dad do that for 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.360 a lifetime, absolutely, and then us as his grandchildren observing 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.800 that too. And it's it's just very cool in any 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.480 industry to watch someone who's at peak success and have 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.200 peak humility. And I think he's always carried himself that way. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:54.800 And I was going to bring up that same story 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.719 of it's such a small business, so yeah, if it's 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.640 a cameraman, a graphics producer, audio tech. All the time 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.880 people say I've worked with your dad and man to 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.080 see the nicest no one else stops to like remember 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.600 names and ask about our kids and how we're doing. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.040 And I just have definitely watched you and Papa Boy 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.200 do that, and that's that's huge. And really, your legacy 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.000 is unfinished. You know, no one knows what their legacy 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.760 will be. I remember Oprah saying Maya Angelou told her that, 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:25.760 And I think your legacy, just from what I've observed 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.319 and as your only child in the industry and kind 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.720 of gets to be in these circles, is I think 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.920 your legacy will be kindness. I think that that is 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.360 what ultimately you will be known for. Do you ever 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:40.120 think of it like that? Well, I think everybody strives 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.360 to be kind and oh, I don't know, I don't think. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.040 I mean, it's because it's it's such a tough business. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.880 You're under so much stress, it's very time sensitive. Everything's live, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.600 and you've done so much work, you've traveled there, you're 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.160 doing the game. So much can go wrong at any moment, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:02.000 and unfortunately, not everyone does lead kindness. Well, it's hard 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.000 because there's a lot of frustration, and you're working around 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:10.280 people in a very public business, and mistakes are glaring 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.559 and for all to see. No one sees sometimes a 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.040 mistake made in an office cubicle and sees a mistake 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.719 made you know, at home as you're cooking dinner, right, 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.320 I mean, and and those are simple examples, but this 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.760 is a pretty of course. You know we've always signed 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.200 up for so you know there shouldn't be any challenge 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.320 and understanding, well, why is this happening? You want to 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.959 do and you want to treat people the way you 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.320 want to be treated. I think we all know that saying, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.800 but to execute it when their stress is very difficult. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.720 And there are times that it is stressful and someone 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.880 has made a mistake or someone is wanting to talk. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.880 When you've got, you know, a set amount of time 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.640 to get something done, whether it's writing a lead for 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.680 a story or trying to make sure you've got the 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:02.240 information correct on a player, and it's time sensitive, you 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.320 don't have the the time to spend with that person. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.160 So you you remember that and you store it away 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.559 and hopefully the next time around you can say, hey, 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.640 I am so you caught me at a time when 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.120 I had to I had to get something done in 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.120 two minutes. You came by to say hi, And I 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:21.880 have thought about it and I slept on it. I 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.880 feel bad about it. So I guess if there is 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.720 ever that that little speed bump where you can't be 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.040 the person that you want to be. You go back 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.320 and rectify it so you can be that person that 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.480 that you want to be. And I just I guess 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.680 you feel like everybody around you wants to do the 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.000 best job they can, and everybody is trying hard. They 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.800 don't want to make a mistake. They don't want to, 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.640 you know, be imposing that. You know, that's that's not 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.000 their goal. They're just trying to help and trying to 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.640 do the best that they can do. So you appreciate 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.440 that fact of it. And I do love the business 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.120 because there are characters, and there are it's made up 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.840 of people. You can have all the bells and whistles 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.440 you can, but at the end of the day, it's 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.920 people punching buttons, making decisions, talking in your ear, at 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.240 your side, on your you know, it's it's all about people. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.679 So you and I have talked about this many many times, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.079 and I think a little bit of kindness probably goes 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.560 a long way. Now you kind of brought this up. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.480 The business is changing, and when I got in verse 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.959 when you got in and it's just a different world. 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.559 And you and I kind of disagree on this one topic. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.520 I love social media. I make it work for me. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.640 I think it's a great way to interact. I think 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.320 it's a great way to share stuff. You recently got 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.520 rid of your Twitter. I know you still have an Instagram, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.679 but I don't think you're veronic because I've tagged you 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.520 in a couple of things. I don't think you see it. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.160 But my generation I don't know how to tag. I 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.880 don't know. I don't know how to say yeah, thanks 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.559 for that week for that tag. I don't know what that. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.959 But I just think my generation is using it for us, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.880 and there's I don't think either ways right or wrong. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.760 But why do you think your approach is the way 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.319 it is? And what why do you kind of you're 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.760 more tradition know in the sense? Well, first of all, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.160 I only got Twitter because you girls thought it would 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.880 be good for me to get on, But I never 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.600 felt I had anything really important to say. And my 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.560 main goal with Twitter has always been as a news feed, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.280 because by having an account, it allows you to get 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.040 on and then follow the people that are reporters like yourself, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.880 who have updates on stories, who may be breaking a story. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:32.480 So I use it strictly as a news feed. I 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.360 Burned one Quist said something to me many years ago 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.520 at a CBS NFL seminar, and he said, you know, 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.440 I always thought I was pretty good. I always thought 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.400 that I had kind of nailed a broadcast. I always 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.000 kind of thought, you know, that I had gotten it. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.160 And then I got on Twitter and read what they 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.080 were saying about me. And I've never felt so low 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:01.200 and so degraded and so deflated then eating comments by 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.720 people who have nothing but comments to shoot out there 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.520 with no accountability. And this is one of the greatest 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.680 to ever do it, and just one of the greatest men, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.960 one of the one of the greatest, and one of 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:20.240 the kindest, warmest souls you'll ever come across. I can't 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.520 tell you how much I respect him as a man 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.680 and as a broadcaster, one of the great one of 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.480 the legends in our business, Burne Lnquist. And when he 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.360 said that to me, it's shut off. So I purposely 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.320 never look what they say about me. I don't want 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.000 to know what they say about me. I've told people 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.160 at both CBS and Turner. If something is said that 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.320 is wrong, patent le blatantly wrong, then I guess I'd 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.600 like to be notified of it, like if they said 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.920 I saw so and so uh punching out you know 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.200 so and so right, or or I saw him at 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.000 doing something where he said this. I mean, if it's 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.320 blatantly wrong, then I would like to know about and 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.080 then I'll go through them and say how can we 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.080 handle this? Or should I handle it at all? But 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.200 otherwise I don't know what they say. I don't want 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.720 to know what they say. I'll come home and your 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:18.640 mom and my wife will say, well, people on Twitter like, yeah, yeah, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.600 you do you do? I don't want to. I can't, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.920 and I guess I don't know if that's a frail 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.960 portion of my psyche. I'm not afraid of criticism. I 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.120 love criticism because it's the only way. There's always a 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:35.160 truth in every critical remark. There's always a vein of 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:40.600 some kind of truth. Even if it's outlandish. Five may 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.920 have a smidge of truth it maybe a d percent. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.640 The criticism is warranted, and you know what, I love 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.720 that stuff. Bring it on. It's the only way you're 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.840 going to get better. But I don't look at it 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.160 because I'm afraid of what it will do. It. I 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.120 don't want it to change the lane that I'm going in, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.480 and I had people, I'll be notified if I'm messing up, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:05.080 and I'll know that, and I trust my gut. But 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.320 I also trust if my wife, you know your mom, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.000 She'll say, you might want to look at this, or 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.280 you might want to pair it back a little bit, 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.160 or you might want to whatever. And I trust her, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.040 you know, intuitiveness and subjects like that. Now that being said, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.000 I get what you do. I get it, and you 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.920 should do it because everybody your age is doing this, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.320 but not a lot of people my age are doing it. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.000 I don't know that al Michaels has a Twitter. I 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.440 don't know that NaNs. I don't know that the late 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.720 Keith Jackson at a Twitter. I don't think any of 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.840 them do. I think they follow it with what they 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.639 call that fake name or whatever. And but because they 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.320 just want to get one of those do a fake Twitter. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.000 I do have one because I need you got to 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.320 get on there to read the to read the news feed. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.760 I want to read what Dave mcmanam or Winner Store, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.520 any of these guys or Woes or any of these people, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.200 you know, Chefty, what they have to say. That the 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.639 only way I can do it, So, yeah, I came out. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.760 You'll never guess what it is and I'll never tell, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.280 and I only use it. It's like jayhawk boy with 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.320 an eye. Uh No, it's not. It is not. Actually 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.479 you might. You might, if you dug enough, you might 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.679 be able to figure and find it. But I never 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.040 post on it. I never say anything on it, and 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.639 I all use it so I can follow the reporters 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.000 that I feel I've got to follow in the NFL 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.440 and in the NBA. Well, I used this crazy world 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.160 of Twitter to get some good content. When I asked 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.200 everyone for questions for you, I said, you know, my 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.240 dad's coming on if anyone wants me to ask him anything. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.000 And I got so many of aspiring broadcasters asking about 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.639 your process. And I'm putting my own spin on this 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.200 question because I know you have such a really, really 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.000 steady voice process. On the day of a game. You're 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.560 very your purest when it comes to voice performance. So 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.400 what do you do on game day for your voice? Well, 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.320 I'm big into delivery, and unfortunately you have heard that 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.480 from me of the time that you were in high school. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.879 And I apologize in that because I've beaten you over 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.879 the head with delivery. Deliver, It's all about deliver. What 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.840 do I What do I say? A well delivered story 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:15.600 with poor content is so much more effective than a 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:21.280 great story poorly delivered, Yes, because all you're doing is 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.520 a viewer or a listener is listening to uh, you know, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.280 and and the stuttering and the trying to find the 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.960 right word. But if you zip your way through a 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.600 story and tell it in a compelling way, even if 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.919 it's about grass growing, it's still a story that you remember. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.000 And I tell you that because it was the first 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.560 thing when I was about eight or nine years old 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.000 that got me into sports, the first thing that I 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.280 can remember, not just that my dad was in it. 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.439 I loved being, you know, a part of my dad's 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.119 spring training with the Cardinals and everything else. But I 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.439 heard the great John Facenda of NFL Films narrate Super 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.680 Bowl between the Packers and the Chiefs. And it wasn't 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.399 the play on the field and on the screen. It 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.159 was the voice. It was the delivery. And when I 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.960 heard that, something went off in my head. And then 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.920 I began to listen for voices, and then I listened 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.960 to Ray Scott and I listened to the past summer, 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.800 and I listened to all Don Crickey and all in 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:27.560 Jim Simpson and Keith Jackson and all these great voices 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.800 of my youth that I still hear in my head. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.320 I hear voices in my head and that's what I hear, 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.600 that's what I listened. That's what got me into sports, 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.360 and not into sports broadcasting, but into sports, and then 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.040 that led to sports broadcasting. You say, wait a minute, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.680 these guys are broadcasters and they're talking about these games 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.680 I'm watching. So yeah, I'm big on delivery, and think 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:56.200 about it. Think about it during the games I'm doing, 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.680 and we'll have little things in my mind that I 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.880 have felt in the past, that I have said, well, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.600 that I will do to get me back on track. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:10.119 It's not different than a singer, an opera singer taking 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.320 that little musical harmonica thing that they used to get 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.440 a tone whatever that's called, and to get the right 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.520 tone and how they warm up before a performance. And 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.760 I do that occasionally during my games. I've said some 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.879 things that I know exactly how I said it to 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.600 get me back to kind of ground zero, to my foundation. 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.600 You're talking about the words that you write down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.480 I won't get too deep in the weeds here, but 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.639